It’s awesome to see all the postwar reissues we’ve been getting, but they’re huffing paint if they think more than just a few people are going to pay $90-$100 for a single piece of o gauge rolling stock
The re-introduction of the postwar prairie was a nice surprise, overall the catalog had a much better selection than last year. Still, wouldn't be Lionel without a hearty dose of sticker shock. Most of it is just too pricey not to look for earlier versions or alternatives that are friendlier to the wallet.
On the other hand, a "New" condition 2035 will likely set you back $200+. Add in remote control, better smoke, better sound, and you're right in Lionel's ballpark. But, like you, I don't mind keeping the originals running!
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks additionally, if you go to discount retailers like TW, you can order the full set for a little over $13 more than Lionel’s sticker price for just the loco
Fair points, fellas. Just don't see the need to replace or duplicate my new-to-me 224 prairie, at least not without the new one being on sale or discounted. One thing that kinda gets me scratching my head is if you buy the new prairie separate-sale, the catalog says it doesn't come with a remote, which admittedly ain't great. Another thing that made little sense to me was the hotbox reefer being $300. Makes me glad I found the old version for $40!
@@Shipwright1918 oh 100%, the new ones are definitely more in the range of newbies wanting all the new features on an old chassis as well as public operators (what I do). I’ll still be running my 665 and 1666 on my displays, but this’ll be great for if I really need to just leave something alone for a long while
@chicagolandrailroader or they should make a simple set of Trolley like full circle of track with Trolley like they did with the Micky Mouce 100th set. As for the traditional O sets wish they would make a turbine set like they use to do back in the 50s but with the new bluetooth added on.
Thanks for your insight. The UP ES44 paint scheme is UP new paint scheme. UP did not like the large American Flag getting so dirty so they made it to fit on the nose to stay cleaner.
I’ve been a comic collector for over 40 years, so all of those Justice League trains will be mine. I’m legitimately excited about the locomotives and cabooses for them, because I thought there would never be any.
Thanks nice job! Good , plus funny commentary too. You laugh a little bit on the atomic set (AEC). I believe I liked that one the best Plus, it Glows in the Dark! I am tired of seeing CSX or NS all the time. My favorite is Virginia (yellow & blue paint scheme), Bethlehem Steel ( black scheme), Chicago south shore, and Area 51! I did like the Halloween stuff, a bit out of the box I might get the O’Learys milk car. If the barn said O’Learys barn I would definitely get both or if you could change the generic name to your family names barn that would be pretty cool. Otherwise, the only other item I am consider in purchasing is the area 51 speeder. The price is high on it I guess I am still at 75% buying it
heres a fun fact D&RGW Triplex Locomotive was a proposed Triplex steam locomotive by the Baldwin Locomotive Works for the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad and The Denver and Rio Grande Western's Triplex Locomotive was proposed by the Baldwin Locomotive Works after they had built the very first three triplex locomotives for the Erie Railroad in 1914 and they were planning to build this locomotive for the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad. but unfortunately The reasons to why Denver and Rio Grande Western's Triplex Locomotive wasn't built was because of the issues with the Erie Railroad's P-1s and the Virginian Railway's XA when they couldn't go as fast as their top speed was about 10-15 mph, with the Virginian Railway's XA reaching 3-5 mph or even as high as 10 mph. sort of like what if D&RGW built the Triplex Locomotive
Lots I want out of this one, lol. Hey, if you want to see the simulated painted corrugation, look at that orange belly Greenbrier "The Chessie" they released not long ago. They pull it of IMO.
Please try to understand and consider my complaint: our TVs' aspect ratio is now 16:9. Why do a video in 2:1 which wastes 1/4 of our screen with black bars top and bottom?? This is not a cinematic release. Many TV shows do this as well and it is annoying. Please consider posting in 16:9. Thanks!
If you’re not familiar since 2011 Lionel also makes the NASCAR diecast that’s why they have the license for Chevy and Ford. I am very surprised there’s not a Toyota version.
I am not renewing my subscription to Classic Toy Trains and I have not bouhgt any Lionel,Way to expensive!!!. You have only so many quarter of centuries in your life.The new 1971 Toyota Celica ST was $2100.00 . How many people can aford 2000.00 dollars train sets,let alone paying over 100.00 dollars ww2 pin up box cars! Menards has rolling stock starting at $24.95.Lionel is making museum quality pieces priced as jewelery!
$2100 in 1971 is $16,000 today with inflation. Then add in the various government-mandated safety, emissions, and fuel-efficiency standards and you get $35,000 - $40,000 for that car today. A $50 train in 1971 would be almost $400 today with inflation alone - not counting improvements in features. Menards has the advantage of selling at wholesale - there is no "middle man" dealer to support.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks Lionel 10-20 years ago used to sell the same trains using the same tooling and casting methods for sub $300 train set range at places like hobby lobby for example. Their is a reason why the toy train market has fallen a lot since the early 2000's, and even more truth to why they don't sell their trains at retail stores anymore, because they simply cant sell enough sets at the prices they ask for now. It is the same tooling and die-cast molds for the last 20 years, with just better, but even cheaper to produce now electronics. So riddle me why the price keeps going up, if they are constantly refining their electronics systems and don't invest much back into new tooling when it comes to casting new models. It's simply because they have become lazy and like to stay in business by making money off of people willing to buy this nonsense. I could buy a new motorcycle at these prices which is something you certainly couldn't of done with model train prices back in the 70's. Even if you factor in the newer steel tax, it takes Lionel less than $300 in materials and reused tooling to make some of those $2100 sets they are selling. Even after other expenses like labor they are easily doubling or tripling, or even quadrupling the actual worth of the set, which in any market is called being scummy and price-gouging. They didn't do this 10 years ago, not much has changed with their tooling and design since then besides bluetooth (Sub $5 bluetooth controller boards) and little more realistic sound and smoke. so what actually makes them think that this is a good idea? Well, people like you still support their blatant price-gouging and do it with a smile. These are Toy Trains, not Enthusiasts and rich-dads only trains. The sooner you realize most of your followers are budget modeling orientated, the sooner your channel will explode. You obviously understand inflation and the current economy right now, so what makes you think anyone else will buy this over-priced garbage. At-least with a car or motorcycle they actually have a dealerships for every brand and in about every state for every brand, which might make it worth the mark-up if you know they'll have you covered if something happens to your vehicle. On the contrary you spend $2,100 with Lionel, notice something wrong, you cant take it to a local dealer because their is next to none, and good luck with Lionel's online support number, they'll really make you feel like an important customer to them. To sum it all up, I would choose Menards anyday because the John Menard is actually a train-hobby enthusiasts and has been doing things that have been lighting a new fire for people trying to get into the hobby on a budget, and they do work by dealers, every one of their Menards stores is a dealership for their trains, meanwhile Lionel could've had the same opportunity but decided to stop making cheaper sets that could be sold at places like (Walmart, Hobby Lobby, etc) and started to only take money from people that have a lot of it, and had no problem screwing over every one of it's customer's that had supported them on a lower-budget spectrum. They also had no problem killing K-line because of something that could've easily been resolved in gentlemanly fashion but instead they decided to kill off one of the most budget-friendly companies for literally nothing except hurting their own sales in the future where their would've been people that got introduced into the hobby through K-Line and then "leveled up" toward Lionel but now it's just a dying hobby because Lionel wants to be a monopoly so bad. Sad that people who say they support model trains still support the shell this company has become. Literally pathetic to think that Lionel cares for you or the hobby at all. All they care about is money, and you darn well know it!
@@unitytwins6652 Looking at a CTT from December 2000, there is an ad for online discounter eHobbies. The Lionel NYC Flyer set was on sale for $144.95, which is $260 in today's dollars - with no LionChief, sounds, or Bluetooth. A Lionel C&O NW2 with TMCC is $449.95 ($800 today). Charles Ro was selling "9700 Series" boxcars for $32.50 ($60). Keep in mind the catalog price is the MSRP - not necessarily what the local shop will sell it for. Graphics have improved. Sound and control have improved. Simple inflation accounts for the rest.
Have the same train of thought. When MTH was the main competition to Lionel price items were reasonable. Now without MTH gone as we once knew it Lionel's pricing has gone through the roof even with today's extreme inflation. For some years now Lionel's quality control still a concern. Example two year delay for the brass hybrid Strasburg engine .@@unitytwins6652
@@unitytwins6652 Yo calm down, like you need to take it down a couple notches, I know it's scary seeing the world your and your parents generations created, and you don't have long left with it so I don't know why YOU are mad at the prices, but it's 2024. Lionel and every other manufacturer than bachmann know that there aren't 5 year olds that play with toy trains anymore, and produce "high quality" *depending on manufacturer, scale detail and operation oriented models, not toys that are designed to run around a little loop of track on the floor at 90 mph, flying off the track breaking themselves. Modern model trains are built and marketed towards the modeler, the person that's recreating the 1910's or the 2020's, not the person who wants to play trains. If you want to do that, buy vintage stuff. If not, there's something really easy you can do: complain silently and on your own, or directly to the manufacturer you have an issue with, not some random person on youtube who has no control over anything, or go onto those youtube channels that post historical films from the 1940's to 1980's, there's lots of people that complain about the modern world they created on there, so you'll have a lot of people to talk with. Have a day, and don't take your grievances out on random people, it's 2024 you'll get your ash handed to you.
Nice Chinese made toy's, but why pay high prices for a toy from a company that has had quality issues and will give you problems when it comes to fixing any problems with it's product.
It’s awesome to see all the postwar reissues we’ve been getting, but they’re huffing paint if they think more than just a few people are going to pay $90-$100 for a single piece of o gauge rolling stock
The re-introduction of the postwar prairie was a nice surprise, overall the catalog had a much better selection than last year.
Still, wouldn't be Lionel without a hearty dose of sticker shock. Most of it is just too pricey not to look for earlier versions or alternatives that are friendlier to the wallet.
On the other hand, a "New" condition 2035 will likely set you back $200+. Add in remote control, better smoke, better sound, and you're right in Lionel's ballpark. But, like you, I don't mind keeping the originals running!
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks additionally, if you go to discount retailers like TW, you can order the full set for a little over $13 more than Lionel’s sticker price for just the loco
Fair points, fellas. Just don't see the need to replace or duplicate my new-to-me 224 prairie, at least not without the new one being on sale or discounted.
One thing that kinda gets me scratching my head is if you buy the new prairie separate-sale, the catalog says it doesn't come with a remote, which admittedly ain't great.
Another thing that made little sense to me was the hotbox reefer being $300. Makes me glad I found the old version for $40!
@@Shipwright1918 oh 100%, the new ones are definitely more in the range of newbies wanting all the new features on an old chassis as well as public operators (what I do). I’ll still be running my 665 and 1666 on my displays, but this’ll be great for if I really need to just leave something alone for a long while
For someone that grew up with watching Mr. Rogers I’m definitely getting those
The loading and uploading is genius. I need to remember that for my next layout
So they made a Mr Rodgers neighborhood car set, they couldn't have made Trolly like one of those bumper trolleys
That would've been a no brainer for them to do lol. I was thinking that too.
@chicagolandrailroader or they should make a simple set of Trolley like full circle of track with Trolley like they did with the Micky Mouce 100th set.
As for the traditional O sets wish they would make a turbine set like they use to do back in the 50s but with the new bluetooth added on.
I really want that Lionel 2025/675/2035 rerelease as I have a 2025 and it’s nice and it would be nice to have another LionChief locomotive
I’m glad to see the extruded aluminum cars make a comeback definitely picking up a set of cars
Thanks for your insight. The UP ES44 paint scheme is UP new paint scheme. UP did not like the large American Flag getting so dirty so they made it to fit on the nose to stay cleaner.
Thanks!
Good catalog. A lot of cool stuff in it.
Glad you enjoyed it
I’ve been a comic collector for over 40 years, so all of those Justice League trains will be mine.
I’m legitimately excited about the locomotives and cabooses for them, because I thought there would never be any.
I like that New York Central "Pacemaker" 2-4-2 locomotive at 30:01 to 30:04. =)
Thanks ! Nice review !
Thank you!
Nice trains in Catalog
Thanks nice job! Good , plus funny commentary too. You laugh a little bit on the atomic set (AEC). I believe I liked that one the best Plus, it Glows in the Dark! I am tired of seeing CSX or NS all the time. My favorite is Virginia (yellow & blue paint scheme), Bethlehem Steel ( black scheme), Chicago south shore, and Area 51! I did like the Halloween stuff, a bit out of the box I might get the O’Learys milk car. If the barn said O’Learys barn I would definitely get both or if you could change the generic name to your family names barn that would be pretty cool. Otherwise, the only other item I am consider in purchasing is the area 51 speeder. The price is high on it I guess I am still at 75% buying it
heres a fun fact D&RGW Triplex Locomotive was a proposed Triplex steam locomotive by the Baldwin Locomotive Works for the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad and The Denver and Rio Grande Western's Triplex Locomotive was proposed by the Baldwin Locomotive Works after they had built the very first three triplex locomotives for the Erie Railroad in 1914 and they were planning to build this locomotive for the Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad. but unfortunately The reasons to why Denver and Rio Grande Western's Triplex Locomotive wasn't built was because of the issues with the Erie Railroad's P-1s and the Virginian Railway's XA when they couldn't go as fast as their top speed was about 10-15 mph, with the Virginian Railway's XA reaching 3-5 mph or even as high as 10 mph. sort of like what if D&RGW built the Triplex Locomotive
Thanks for the information!
your welcome@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks
8:23 Kinematic trucks had drooping issue. New design may fix? Hybrid 2010 had em.
I see a lot of those big BNSF GEs here.
That hot box car might be a good one!? 😊
Maybe!
These prices definitely are getting out of hand aren’t they Mike?
Prices for EVERYTHING are out of hand.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricksvery true. Which make it hard to defend spending spare money on very expensive trains
Lots I want out of this one, lol. Hey, if you want to see the simulated painted corrugation, look at that orange belly Greenbrier "The Chessie" they released not long ago. They pull it of IMO.
Cool!
Please try to understand and consider my complaint: our TVs' aspect ratio is now 16:9. Why do a video in 2:1 which wastes 1/4 of our screen with black bars top and bottom?? This is not a cinematic release. Many TV shows do this as well and it is annoying. Please consider posting in 16:9. Thanks!
I figure I am watching until the end of the video but does anyone know if Lionel released any new S gauge stuff?
There were some new Flyer Christmas and Polar Express items.
If you’re not familiar since 2011 Lionel also makes the NASCAR diecast that’s why they have the license for Chevy and Ford. I am very surprised there’s not a Toyota version.
Nice stuff but………
$$$$$$$$
Ouch!
I am not renewing my subscription to Classic Toy Trains and I have not bouhgt any Lionel,Way to expensive!!!. You have only so many quarter of centuries in your life.The new 1971 Toyota Celica ST was $2100.00 . How many people can aford 2000.00 dollars train sets,let alone paying over 100.00 dollars ww2 pin up box cars! Menards has rolling stock starting at $24.95.Lionel is making museum quality pieces priced as jewelery!
$2100 in 1971 is $16,000 today with inflation. Then add in the various government-mandated safety, emissions, and fuel-efficiency standards and you get $35,000 - $40,000 for that car today. A $50 train in 1971 would be almost $400 today with inflation alone - not counting improvements in features. Menards has the advantage of selling at wholesale - there is no "middle man" dealer to support.
@@ToyTrainTipsAndTricks Lionel 10-20 years ago used to sell the same trains using the same tooling and casting methods for sub $300 train set range at places like hobby lobby for example. Their is a reason why the toy train market has fallen a lot since the early 2000's, and even more truth to why they don't sell their trains at retail stores anymore, because they simply cant sell enough sets at the prices they ask for now. It is the same tooling and die-cast molds for the last 20 years, with just better, but even cheaper to produce now electronics. So riddle me why the price keeps going up, if they are constantly refining their electronics systems and don't invest much back into new tooling when it comes to casting new models. It's simply because they have become lazy and like to stay in business by making money off of people willing to buy this nonsense. I could buy a new motorcycle at these prices which is something you certainly couldn't of done with model train prices back in the 70's. Even if you factor in the newer steel tax, it takes Lionel less than $300 in materials and reused tooling to make some of those $2100 sets they are selling. Even after other expenses like labor they are easily doubling or tripling, or even quadrupling the actual worth of the set, which in any market is called being scummy and price-gouging. They didn't do this 10 years ago, not much has changed with their tooling and design since then besides bluetooth (Sub $5 bluetooth controller boards) and little more realistic sound and smoke. so what actually makes them think that this is a good idea? Well, people like you still support their blatant price-gouging and do it with a smile. These are Toy Trains, not Enthusiasts and rich-dads only trains. The sooner you realize most of your followers are budget modeling orientated, the sooner your channel will explode. You obviously understand inflation and the current economy right now, so what makes you think anyone else will buy this over-priced garbage. At-least with a car or motorcycle they actually have a dealerships for every brand and in about every state for every brand, which might make it worth the mark-up if you know they'll have you covered if something happens to your vehicle. On the contrary you spend $2,100 with Lionel, notice something wrong, you cant take it to a local dealer because their is next to none, and good luck with Lionel's online support number, they'll really make you feel like an important customer to them. To sum it all up, I would choose Menards anyday because the John Menard is actually a train-hobby enthusiasts and has been doing things that have been lighting a new fire for people trying to get into the hobby on a budget, and they do work by dealers, every one of their Menards stores is a dealership for their trains, meanwhile Lionel could've had the same opportunity but decided to stop making cheaper sets that could be sold at places like (Walmart, Hobby Lobby, etc) and started to only take money from people that have a lot of it, and had no problem screwing over every one of it's customer's that had supported them on a lower-budget spectrum. They also had no problem killing K-line because of something that could've easily been resolved in gentlemanly fashion but instead they decided to kill off one of the most budget-friendly companies for literally nothing except hurting their own sales in the future where their would've been people that got introduced into the hobby through K-Line and then "leveled up" toward Lionel but now it's just a dying hobby because Lionel wants to be a monopoly so bad. Sad that people who say they support model trains still support the shell this company has become. Literally pathetic to think that Lionel cares for you or the hobby at all. All they care about is money, and you darn well know it!
@@unitytwins6652 Looking at a CTT from December 2000, there is an ad for online discounter eHobbies. The Lionel NYC Flyer set was on sale for $144.95, which is $260 in today's dollars - with no LionChief, sounds, or Bluetooth. A Lionel C&O NW2 with TMCC is $449.95 ($800 today). Charles Ro was selling "9700 Series" boxcars for $32.50 ($60). Keep in mind the catalog price is the MSRP - not necessarily what the local shop will sell it for. Graphics have improved. Sound and control have improved. Simple inflation accounts for the rest.
Have the same train of thought.
When MTH was the main competition to Lionel price items were reasonable. Now without MTH gone as we once knew it Lionel's pricing has gone through the roof even with today's extreme inflation.
For some years now Lionel's quality control still a concern. Example two year delay for the brass hybrid Strasburg engine .@@unitytwins6652
@@unitytwins6652
Yo calm down, like you need to take it down a couple notches, I know it's scary seeing the world your and your parents generations created, and you don't have long left with it so I don't know why YOU are mad at the prices, but it's 2024.
Lionel and every other manufacturer than bachmann know that there aren't 5 year olds that play with toy trains anymore, and produce "high quality" *depending on manufacturer, scale detail and operation oriented models, not toys that are designed to run around a little loop of track on the floor at 90 mph, flying off the track breaking themselves. Modern model trains are built and marketed towards the modeler, the person that's recreating the 1910's or the 2020's, not the person who wants to play trains. If you want to do that, buy vintage stuff. If not, there's something really easy you can do: complain silently and on your own, or directly to the manufacturer you have an issue with, not some random person on youtube who has no control over anything, or go onto those youtube channels that post historical films from the 1940's to 1980's, there's lots of people that complain about the modern world they created on there, so you'll have a lot of people to talk with.
Have a day, and don't take your grievances out on random people, it's 2024 you'll get your ash handed to you.
Nice Chinese made toy's, but why pay high prices for a toy from a company that has had quality issues and will give you problems when it comes to fixing any problems with it's product.