Plant Profile - A Wonderful Shrub!
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
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I understand if it is annoying that I didn't say the name in the video... I think there are many plants out in this world that are looked upon with disgust and hate and I think having a thorough description of other attributes of the plant other than why you should hate it should come before the name. These are Autumn Olive bushes, or Elaeagnus Umbellata.
I recognize fully that there are absolutely contexts where these plants could cause problems. For example, lets say you live in or near a very stable and balanced ecosystem with complex native plants growing in full sun conditions with very poor soils. This is a plant that could overrun that area in a problematic way. That is a possibility, but that overwhelming and massive majority of us live in or adjacent to landscapes that have been extremely abused for generations. Thin, heavily worked soils eroded away, tilled open fields for decades and decades, pollution in the air and water, active pesticide and fungicides still coming into our landscapes. These are first responder plants that help heal that deeply wounded. Our bioregion naturally wants to return to majestic canopied forest. These shrubs facilitate that process and bow away as canopy closes around them.
We have tightly mowed lawns for acres and acres to the North of us, an abused and chemical dependent orchard to the West of us, open tillage regime annual cropping systems to the South of us and a degraded and diseased woodlot to the East of us. If this plant leaves our landscape and enters those contexts I will not feel as though we have done injustice to the ecosystem around us...
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Could you do a focus on persimmons from seed to tree and all the info on how you are successful with them, please?
I will try to make that happen, nice idea!
perhaps how to dye with them as well.
i just discovered autumn olive in the fall, when i moved to a property where autumn olive dominates the edge between the woods and the grass, there must be a dozen of them.
the berries are delicious, tart and sweet, and they produce prolifically.
i find the berries to be invigorating and energizing, and supposedly they are very good for you.
autumn olive have a habit of arching over, to get out of the canopy of taller trees, and grabbing as much sunlight as they can.
I’ve foraged autumn olives in my local park the last few years and decided to plant some goumis in my yard. To my surprise, this year I found out goumis were ripe starting about a week ago and have pretty much the same flavor profile, but less astringent. With autumn olives not ripe until late October in my area, that means I get two shots at making my favorite jam!
Goumi is a wonderful plant, so glad you are learning about them!
Thanks for sharing! You all make such thoughtful and informative videos. This lovely shrub isn't 'invasive' where I live but it is incredibly resilient.. I think it was Sam Thayer that said it makes the best fruit leather, but I've never had a big enough harvest to find out.
I've been eating the fruit leather the last few days that Sasha made last year, it is an absolute joy and so filling/nourishing!
I have the Autumn Olive shrub in my front yard garden. It’s literally 3’ away from the street. Awesome early Spring flowering & aromatic specimen. Trying to keep shrub compact.
Loved that you interweaved something, that deer are repulsed by, through something you've worked for, for your family. And even used it as a squash trellis in a different season.
My hope is that everyone's ears are still open when writing their comments, and that they're refocused onto something more important (which they came here for initially) by your amazing intentions and proof of good.
My property is covered in these plants (Albany county, NY) and make the place smell great this time of year. Just last night I was plant snapping these to see what they were and you go and post this vid. Perfect timing, Thank you!
Sounds like a lovely aroma this time of year and hope the fruits are abundant and rewarding to collect and work with.
There's nearly nothing better than that heavenly fragrance! Appreciate you showing this wonderful plant some love in a tactful way.
For sure
Glad you identified it in the description. I have one at the end of my driveway. Township cuts it down mid summer, so I'll take cuttings & ask they leave it this year.
Accurate description of the plant. Great to see such love for it's good properties. The management of it's proliferation is the concern. Birds easily disperse the plant seeds, and they will easily grow almost anywhere which is why it has such a bad wrap. For those of you wondering what it is, consider what else has those similar traits, specifically the smell and with a little research I'm sure you can find it.
An observation about "almost anywhere" - It is an open or edge pioneer plant. Does not exist within closed canopy woodlands, at all. It's easy to eradicate if you allow succession to proceed. I say this with conviction because I live on a site where it exists only at the edges of our woods, not within them, and in a region where it's highly vilified for its 'negative' traits.
It devastates grassland habitats and prairies that are both ecologically vital for biodiversity and for carbon sequestration. It has overwhelmed a wetland near me in the Shenandoah Valley. Closed canopy forest isn’t the only habitat that matters.
@@frederickheard2022 Well said. I am wondering if the prairies and wetlands were weakened or disrupted by humans before the invasion of AO, or if this would have happened regardless if AO was introduced here?
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Closed canopy forests are not a permanent state. Once there is an opening, AO seeds will germinate and form an impenetrable thickets that holds back succession. It chokes out regeneration of other shrubs and many trees.
Still trying to figure it out, the only thing that comes up with that description is honeysuckle, which it could be though the leaves are throwing me a bit....can we stop being so Cloak and Dagger and let us that don't have it or know it so we DON'T get it by accident?
I have a friend at Wild Altar farm who makes fabulous baskets from the whips from autumn olive.
Interesting to know!
Neat timing. I have 5 of the jewel variety arriving in the mail from planting justice today.
Enjoy!
I love the perspective you help usher in with the way you discuss this plant and other "invasive" characters. May your harvest be bountiful this year!
Seems lined up to be a phenomenal crop!
Many years ago I made a ketchup substitute using large stands of autumn olive that were growing behind a school, what we found was the flavor often is very different depending on the very particular soil the given specimen is in; two adjacent ones tasted different.
There is huge variety in them for sure!
I had no clue, from it's name I assumed it was a bitter flavor. Surprised to hear that the berries can be sweet. And I know why it's hated. it'll gobble up pasture like no ones business and once you have them it's management not removal because they will be a pest for generations.
Pretty delicious flavor if you get a good seedling or a cultivar at the right time.
Nice! Well done! 😊
I just discovered some growing on my property here in southern missouri. They dont seem to be rbeh vigorous but that may be because they are completely shaded out.
I have not seen them be invasive in the Ozarks. They seem to be at home here in a good way.
That definitely puts a damper on them
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I blend fruit and seed and make ice cubes or can just the fruit to make ice cubes in the summer. I add two two my smoothie each day during summer.
I'm excited to explore this idea. I find myself going for autumn olive fruit leathers recently as the sun gets stronger, I wonder if my body knows whats up :)
The top section of my shelter belt consist of 10 different varieties of Autumn Olive.
Fun!
If i were to pollard a sapling of Autumn olive)that is one year old, could i pollard it at the one year mark in the autumn or should i wait another year?
I would let them grow for a year or two before pollarding
Good to know. TY 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
Considering how everyone is commenting about it being invasive, my parents backyard is about 11 acres of wild field, about 5% is covered with trees, the rest is tall grasses smothered with wild blackberries, they have one of these growing and that's all... If I had a guess it's maybe 10 to 15 ft tall, doesn't seem to invasive over here... Just the blackberries
That smell in the spring here is so wonderful to me. We’ve got a 15 footer, and I’m noticing others springing up as I shape the orchard. The chickens go absolutely bonkers for the berries, and I’ve planted a nice cultivar variety in the Retirement Run. Thanks for putting me onto the cultivars and Planting Justice nursery, btw! It’s also nice that these pair well with Pawpaws and black raspberries around walnut trees!
Yeah they are amazing fruits for birds for sure!
Planting Justice are a great source for plant material to be sure
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I recognized them immediately ;) I was out admiring the flowers myself just the other day ;)
Extremely wonderful aroma and so much more
I got some and am happy about them. Live in the North of Denmark ;-)
Fun
I have one that is at the edge of my woodline. It is thriving. Do they propagate good from cuttings?
Also my neighbor has probably hundreds of the shrubs growing in his hay field. He has mowed them down several times. They are very aggressive and hardy shrub
Please please please don’t actively propagate this destructive species.
They are challenging from cuttings
They will propagate themselves everywhere from bird dispersal for miles.
Does it seem to have any tolerance to Jugalone?
Complete comfort under Black Walnut. In fact it is studied as being an accelerator to walnut growth when co planted
Who’re your friends here in VA? I’m in the sucky part of the Piedmont and need to hit them up for some seeds!
Mark Angelini, give him a search and a hello!
Here in Southern Ohio, Orchard Orioles enjoy the nectar this amazing shrub offers.
Neat to know!
Just added a reminder to go to your page in March. I would love some pawpaw cuttings!
Why don’t you just tell us what the plant is called at some point even if it’s in the last five seconds?
The name is in the describtion
Autumn Olive
I write the name in the description, super easy to find. I think its OK to describe a plant without a name so there is a chance for objective ideas to be conveyed.
Sean, you've taught me so much over the years, but now it seems my knowledge has expanded beyond permaculture to see the bigger picture, and that's that your harvest isn't worth anything if it's actively harming the environment. Especially when you have so much else to grow and eat. As with most invasive species, it's not about what they do on your personal property, it's about the bird-shit dispersal system that doles them out randomly to areas outside of it that sure, may be barren fields, but it's hardly the only thing that will grow if given the chance. Their nitrogen fixing abilities actually help to push out any native plants that might be trying to grow underneath or around them, as a lot of native plants require poor (nitrogen deficient) soil to thrive. Also I just don't buy the idea that they are "healing" the land in anyway. They are an opportunistic, invasive species. A history of poor land management shouldn't beget more poor land management. (I live in Metro Detroit, I wish I could show you what Japanese Honeysuckle and Autumn Olive have done here). I understand making use of and foraging invasive species but promoting them is a really wild take and one that I just can't watch.
We will never be able to reverse the great invasion of 1492 (including us humans- on the European spectrum). As a new and learning permaculturist and native plant enthusiast, I don't see the point of putting energy into eradicating "invasive" plants. We are an invasive species and I find it hypocritical to proselytize about the purity of this plant over that one. We plant natives and non-natives, because we are trying to live off of our land as much as we can. Eating locally has way more impact on the planet as a whole than controlling nonnatives. And, unfortunately, there aren't enough native plants to provide that kind of sustenance. Plants, animals and insects will adapt. Some won't. We are all of this universe which is way more than this little blue and green ball we call home. I think it's more important to be a thoughtful steward of the land you manage than an absolutist dictator of what grows where, no matter it's potential benefit.
Consider this video much less of a 'promotion' and more of articulating what it is I appreciate about a being. I would want to do this for an animal that is seen as 'illegal' or 'invasive' and I would want to do this for a human being someone is calling 'an illegal'. I want to be open to establishing objective and unburdened relationships with beings. Autumn Olive happens to be a character who has truly blown me away with their objective attributes in our landscape.
I recognize there are certainly some very special and unique native habitats that are very low fertility innately and require that scenario to allow natives to thrive, but this very special case is not applicable to the hundreds of square miles around me and certainly is not a context of Metro Detroit. What Autumn Olive 'did there' may very well be directly in the spirit of a first responder attending to a brutalized victim that is actively bleeding out and broken and bruised. The energy I get from them is just that. Folks are absolutely welcome to internalize or observe other things about them and articulate it clearly and directly. I support it fully. But I need to be allowed to find grace, benefit, ally-ship, function and nourishment from beings I meet and I Need to be allowed to share that, especially with the hate this friend of mine gets.
@@edibleacres You have the platform and followers to influence folks, so you're fully able to say whatever you want about this plant, no-one is stopping that. But you knew that you'd have people that disagree with you on this, as you yourself said. I just disagree with you. For me, the problem is that these plants were brought here long ago,, for profit, for capitalism, misguided agricultural practices, and then abandoned and left to wreak havoc and haven't been managed and are collapsing ecosystems. Not just from the overabundance of them, but the invasive insects that come along with them because they act as host plants, and will also happily devour many other tree crops as well which is kinda scary in the long-term, no? It's the huge ripple effect that goes beyond your property lines, that you don't see. Not just here, this has been done all over the world. I love Canada Goldenrod, one of my plants that'll I'll always ride for and defend- but I wouldn't if I lived in parts of Asia, where it's running rampant and a highly problematic invasive species there. I simply disagree with the reliance on so many invasive plants in Permaculture in general, for me this goes way beyond the Autumn Olive.
What’s its name?
Autumn Olive
I understand why no name is mentioned. It has been designated a noxious weed in some northeastern U.S. states and has been identified as a severe threat or highly invasive species in many others. Wherever autumn olive establishes, it can reduce plant species richness and diversity. I am up here in Ontario and I know it's on the Ontario Invasive Species list. They were introduce to North America in the 1800's from Japan, so they have been around awhile. It's always good to know about these things so one can at least make an educated decision. I always consider that there will come a day when I will not be around to keep them in check so I myself decided to not plant any. It is nice to see them in a managed situation shown here.
The only places I have seen Autumn Olive expand intensely are areas that have been absolutely brutally abused. Center areas of highways, chemical annual ag fields after being abandoned, even an old gun factory where we live that is a super fund site because of the lead levels. These are the places that it has 'invaded'. I don't discount that it can happen in natural and undisturbed and special native dominant ecosystems but in nearly 20 years of looking closely and trying to understand who this plant being is, they have only 'invaded' areas that were recently brutalized by people. They feel like healers and allies and I feel really good speaking in affirming ways about who they have shown themselves to be.
@@edibleacres That is why I like this video. You present the argument for the other side. It is very much appreciated.
@@edibleacresWe live in an area where deer decimate most of the native vegetation. They seem to leave autumn olive alone (along with barberry and honeysuckle), so they thrive where everything else is eaten. Meanwhile, in areas protected from the deer, they don’t seem to hinder the natives at all.
I watched this on my tv last night, and had to come back on the computer today to find out exactly what the plant was! I have planted one autumn olive in my very young food forest garden. So far it's only tiny, but I look forward to seeing it grow, after you great description! You talk about pruning... do the cuttings root fairly easily? Seems like it's a good one to try to propagate a few more of. Thanks
I have not found them to be an easy plant to root from cuttings, but they have worked in small numbers for me with thicker wood dormant harvested in March and put on bottom heat...
Oh my… the comments here are quite harsh. I was happy to learn a few things. Context is key. Thanks for making this video.
Of course, no worries. I can always expect some real harshness if I have affirming things to say about a character that has been deemed a bad guy.
No problem planting them on my site. The land I work on as been clear cutted and abused for generations, the oldest tree is a 70 year old sugar maple to give you an idea, on a 112 acre land. They will grow and die when the walnut overstory shades them.
They are very appropriate for landscapes like you've described here. I have a very similar context for sure.
We've got it on our new place we bought. That and honey suckle are usually in the disturbed edges. I see their value and can leverage them for some longer term plantings. Any suggestions for honey suckle?
Honey Suckle offers massive browse for bees and can be chop and dropped to feed new trees as needed. It isn't a plant I'd actively facilitate growing in a landscape but I can appreciate them as a segue plant.
@@edibleacres I'm assuming it will eventually succumb to shade? We just bought 5.44 acres and a lot of it is sloped and wooded. I'd like to eventually help transition it to longer term perennial crops.
@@shanemillard608 The honeysuckle species that often appear on invasive plant lists do NOT succumb to shade. They sprawl, root, produce more seed, cover more ground even under full canopy. I remove them to facilitate regeneration of spring ephemerals and native tree species.
When are the fruits ripe for this species? Wondering if our short season could support it enough to let it fully fruit.
They can ripen between late summer and mid-winter depending on varieties
If I'm being honest lack of concern for how this plant spreads into areas where people might not want it comes across as quite out of character. I know you've had issues with your neighbors who spray and I'm sure you'd appreciate more cooperation from them on that point.
Really it's not going to spread anywhere that isn't already covered up with other less useful plants like privet. Where is this pristine native landscape y'all are so concerned about? I've never seen that outside of native plant gardens maintained with lots of labor.
There isn't a lack of concern... Read the description... I am surrounded entirely and for many many miles in most/all directions with landscapes abused many many many times over that could all feel supported in healing with a plant like this. We are nowhere near pure and native and undisturbed landscapes in this region. It is all land reeling from generations of trauma and first responders are OK and OK to speak positively about. I feel OK with this stance.
This feels like a rationalization that again comes across as out of character. That there has obviously been previous abuse of the land in no justifies continued use that doesn't take into account the very real issues these kinds of plants raise.
I enjoy there relative the "goumi" since they have a larger fruit. If, I can get them before the birds. Lol
Goumi is a delight and one I want to put more focus onto expanding to be sure
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One of our favorite shrubs here! The smell, the berries, the nitrogen fixation.....I love it and plant it extensively
That is pretty neat in my mind :)
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We have one volunteer autumn olive growing on a sunny stone wall (where little else will grow) and it’s never spread. I wouldn’t mind a few more along the wall so plan on trying to propagate through spring cuttings.
I love them! Not as pretty as their cousins, that share the same level of hatred if not more, that offer pioneerwing benefit out West. But I am fortunate enough to have a couple large bushes on my land. I am propagating cuttings. I was also very pleased to see the birds helping out: I have a couple areas where I have let the hay field go wild and now have about a dozen shruns popping up there. I need hundreds to hide my hazels from the deer.
I understand that you're unable to sell those shrubs or the seeds but what about the fruits? I'd be interested in buying some of the large red ones when they're ripe enough. Maybe others would be interested, too. ^ ^
I can't risk it, it's pretty intense how much this plant is hated and how easy it is to get in trouble over it. Just read through the comments!
@@edibleacres Hey, it's all good. Maybe one day I'll get my hands on some.
Honeysuckle? You gotta tell us what it is!
Autumn Olive
About “effing” time you orally coughed up the name of the shrub !!!
If you want us to watch, you, don’t make us hold a verbal gun to your head. Bad marketing in my opinion.
If it’s categorized as an invasive species which you’ve never admitted, and I don’t know if that’s true, some states in the United States either discourage or make it illegal for you to cultivate and plant an invasive species.
I don’t think I’m going to be following you on an every day basis until you tell us upfront and then convince us.
If permaculture is going to be meaningful in ecological restoration, then “observe and interact” has to include the observations of scientists. Ecologists, biologists, foresters and others have told us over and over based on very careful observation of widespread areas of the eastern forest that autumn olive destroys habitats and leads to less diversity and therefore less resilience. We have to stop planting autumn olive. It degrades habitats and hurts wild creatures.
I find it terrifying to look at the list of "invasive species" and see how useful, healthful, and abundant the majority of the plants are on that list. Then I look at where scientists get their money and I get even more concerned. There is only one base truth in nature, things change. I think the focus of the do-gooders should be on addressing the far more destructive practices of monocropping in all of its forms. But monocropping or the strip mining of soil, which happens to be what is the most upset by invasives, also tends to be the easiest/most straightforward way to extract profits off the land, and those profits are used to pay for researchers. funny how things work out some times.
But look in the mirror. If scientists, ecologists, biologists, foresters and others are going to be meaningful in ecological restoration, then they need to expand their deep but narrow scientific perspective and look at the socio-political sweep of the problem and opportunities. The vast majority of the problems caused by autumn olive were not caused by and are not driven by permaculture. Rather the opposite. And it can be readily argued that the problems cannot be solved without applying permaculture principles. Meanwhile, the multiple benefits of autumn olive are very real in permaculture circles and beyond. Are permaculturalists causing the problems caused by invasive honeysuckle and barberry and privet, and so on? I've never seen anyone claim that they are, and why should they as these plants are not commonly used in permaculture that I've seen. Yet these plants remain an invasive problem - because of the actions and inactions of other agents and agencies who actually bear the responsibility for both creating and enabling the problem. In sum, it seems apparent that the actions of permaculturists in the problems of autumn olives are comparatively so slight that the benefits of using autumn olive in niche but valuable ways seems to outweigh or be nearly irrelevant to the problems caused by autumn olive. Criticizing permaculturalists for using limited amounts of autumn olive to great benefit seems akin to criticizing a backyard apple grower for tending to a few apple trees next to an abandoned cow pasture that has been overrun by a dense dark monoculture forest of apple trees (I've seen it) expanding out from the pasture's old trees. The backyard grower's apple trees didn't cause the problem in the old pasture acreage and don't drive the problem. The responsibility lies elsewhere, and confiscating the backyard apple grower's trees would be pointless, mistaken, and anti-ecological. Apples to autumn olives is a suggestive and not an entirely literal comparison but a telling one in its personal, ecological, and socio-political sweep.
@@plagshipLOL. Invasive species are not a problem because they have no benefits. They’re a problem because they lack natural controls and they greatly reduce the presence of native plant species in unmanaged land, species that are necessary for/to the wellbeing of other forms of life, whether that’s flowering time, larval food, nesting materials (or preferences), and on and on. And it’s hysterical that you think that biologists and foresters are somehow on the dole, lol. You are obviously unaware of how little money they make and how little support they have, especially from people like you who somehow conflate on-the-ground wildlife specialists / foresters with corporate research dollars paid to agricultural departments at state land-grant universities (like, seriously, wtf?…those majors are not even usually in the same colleges at universities).
But, sure, let’s totally believe the nurseries who make money selling all these seedlings…you know, the ones who tell us it’s perfectly ok to plant them!! Funny how that works out sometimes.
If scientists, ecologists, biologists, foresters and others are going to be meaningful in ecological restoration, then they need to expand their deep but narrow scientific perspective and look at the socio-political sweep of the problem and opportunities. The vast majority of the problems caused by autumn olive were not caused by and are not driven by permaculture. Rather the opposite. And it can be readily argued that the problems cannot be solved without applying permaculture principles. Meanwhile, the multiple benefits of autumn olive are very real in permaculture circles and beyond. Are permaculturists causing the problems caused by invasive honeysuckle and barberry and privet, and so on? I've never seen anyone claim that they are, and why should they as these plants are not commonly used in permaculture that I've seen. Yet these plants remain an invasive problem - because of the actions and inactions of other agents and agencies who actually bear the responsibility for both creating and enabling the problem. In sum, it seems apparent that the actions of permaculturists in the problems of autumn olives are comparatively so slight that the benefits of using autumn olive in niche but valuable ways seem to outweigh or be nearly irrelevant to the problems caused by autumn olive. Criticizing permaculturists for using limited amounts of autumn olive to great benefit seems akin to criticizing a backyard apple grower for tending to a few apple trees next to an abandoned cow pasture that has been overrun by a dense dark monoculture of apple trees (I've seen it) expanding out from the pasture's old trees. The backyard grower's apple trees didn't cause the problem in the old pasture acreage and don't drive the problem. The responsibility lies elsewhere, and confiscating the backyard apple grower's trees would be pointless, mistaken, and anti-ecological. Apples to autumn olives is a suggestive and not an entirely literal comparison but a telling one in its personal, ecological, and socio-political sweep.
@@mountainfigsperennialfruits You make a lot of logical leaps here. Discouraging people from propagating autumn olive isn’t anywhere near confiscating people’s apple trees. Slow down and think critically. For starters, apple trees aren’t invasive. They aren’t native either, but there are lots of plants that are neither. Knowing what the terms mean and how they are used matters if you want to think through the issue. Similarly, science isn’t capitalism, and you shouldn’t conflate them. Ecologists working on wetland restoration (etc.) are not somehow in the pocket of Monsanto because Monsanto employs some botanists. Too much of your argument makes permaculture sound like a cult where people drink the kool-aid, label outsiders as enemies, and do whatever David Holmgren tells them to do. That isn’t good for permaculture or the planet.
Plant racists outing themselves in the comments 😂
It is complex that the feeling applied to plants that haven't been in this country long enough overlaps quite a bit with the Make America Great Again vibe for human beings that haven't been here long enough or are 'illegal' and yet come from extremely different sides of the political spectrum generally. A good reminder that hatefulness tends to be a bridging attribute for a wide range of political stances and something to be extremely careful to avoid!
People concerned about the massive negative impacts this plant has on ecosystems are now "plant racists"? Called such by armchair commentators who have spent exactly zero hours dealing with this uber-aggressive and uber-competitive plant on large acreages....the same people who have also spent zero hours educating themselves on why this plant is controversial.
So anyone who has personally been impacted by the negative impacts of this uber-aggressive plant is now a "plant racist"? There are valid reasons why this plant is so controversial. People who have actual experience dealing with it on large acreages tend to have very different views than those on small lots.
@@edibleacres It has nothing to do with how long the plant has been in the country. And the conflation with MAGA is not only bizarre, it's also offensive. The fact that other people hold a different view than you, based upon their different experiences, does not automatically make them "hateful".
No, just people who have different experiences and backgrounds than you. But, by all means, diminish us with epithets from the comfort of your armchair.
Just going to put this out there. I submit that all the places that were supposedly devastated by "non-native" were, in fact, reeling in flux before they got there. How much of the east suffered from almost complete extinction of a keystone species (American chestnut) and suffered from at least a decade of acid rain changing soil microbiome? We have been shuffling life over this planet for hundreds of years. Yes, ecosystems have to adapt to our transplants, but that is what this plant is doing. It is better at thriving in the ecosystem that WE threw off. So why are we demonizing it instead of observing and learning from it?
It is a first responder to abused and injured and raw landscapes and quiets down when a canopy closes around it.
I’m not worried about it being an invasive species of some kind. I just would’ve loved to see you lead with the term model. Autumn Olive, and mention why has a bad vibe with some people and then dismiss it through the rest of your wonderful video.
Don’t “beat around the bush”.😂
Why are you not concerned about the issues this shrubs causes (in many states) for wildlife?
@@janetdowell6005 because I didn’t know it was an invasive species that caused problems to wildlife. It came across in the video as if it was a perfectly harmless thing that had had a bad name associated with it, but it had a lot of benefits, so maybe what the problem is is the video was misleading. Would you please elaborate on what the species does to wildlife and why we should not be letting it grow and why we should ignore this man’s advice because you can’t have it both ways. It can’t be wonderful and at the same time have a downsides that makes it bad for plants bad for animals and possibly even bad for human so you seem to know exactly what it is instead of asking the question it would’ve been more helpful. If you simply stated, perhaps you don’t understand how this species is bad for wildlife. Let me explain in detail and it would’ve saved me a lot of trouble replying to your question just to get a straight answer that you could’ve given me in the form of a statement instead of a question replying, I wish somehow anti-wildlife. If you interact with men this way or women this way, whoever you are, you’re setting yourself up for unnecessary conflict.
Having vented, please tell me the most concise and complete terms that you are able to provide why this is bad for wildlife for the environment or for anything else thank you in advance :-)
The details are in the description for sure. There is absolutely and truly nothing misleading about the name of the video, the content, the sentiment. I am allowed to leave the name out so that there is an opportunity for objective and open internalizing of observations without a derogatory mapping to cloud things. That is a reasonable way to approach sharing concepts I think.
This species is absolutely not bad for wildlife. Many birds thrive on the fruits and the pollen and nectar flow is phenomenal for a very wide range of insects.
@@edibleacres It isn't bad for wildlife (which is not what I said, nor is that what the issue is), but it does cause multiple negative impacts in many states. It is listed as a "severe threat" to native ecosystems by multiple conservation organizations for these reasons. Why are you so convinced that your stance, based upon your limited experience, is so correct when so many people (most of whom are dealing with large-scale acreages) are experiencing the negative impacts of this plant and trying to communicate that?
AO took over an existing meadow near a wetlands on my property (one that was NOT degraded) and spread > a mile in two directions within four years, pushing out many other native plants and killing many tree saplings that were growing. It took untold amounts of time and money to get it wrestled back under control. This is in addition to my state, wherre AO has appeared in wilderness areas & quickly pushed out native diversity. Having one plant (AO), which blooms at the same time, push out plants that bloom at different times, offer different nesting habitats, and that support different species of insects & caterpillars (a surprising number of which are dependent on one, or a very limited number of plants) further pushes these species toward extinction.
"Invasive" = damn good at its job
Sounds like a nice relationship happening there!
Im looking for some of these plants that shall not be named.🤣🤣🤣
Thank you. I do feel soo whole heartedly that these beings are very intentionally designed and purpose driven on repairing landscapes. The nature of alot of quote on quote invasives really shows later on with there great soil building work. People need to see the greater picture in its potential to create conducive habitat for quote on quote natives many years later after it has restored the destroyed soils.
Well said!
I let them grow freely on our property. The berries are delicious and I share them with the chickens .
Ditto
It’s incredibly invasive and has damaged so many habitats in my area (Appalachia). It is useful and edible, but seriously should not be spread by cultivation. Forage it sure, but pleaaaase don’t plant Autumn Olive.
Do you eat grains? They are killing so many habitats to grow that unhealthy sh*t :)
I have them growing the woods around me, I’ve moved some plants into my chicken yard and other areas but I don’t start new plants. Unfortunately it’s at a point where we might as well considering them native, birds are heavy seed spreaders for this species as they enjoy the fruit.
I wouldnt recommend it either. But why not listen to what he actually says...? It goes crazy when soils are damaged so are the plants the problem or absolutely crushing our landscapes. Also: if we let the woods grow then the canopy naturally eradicates them...
Maybe. Im not recommending anything here as I have no experience. But it's a slippery slope... That leads too absolute dystopia. We cant have too much growing everywhere ; )
If climate is changing, invasives are going to save the planet.
I’ve found very little success trying to bring up ecological points in permaculture communities. People rarely seem to care what happens outside their properties, or what might be found in ecology research papers. I’ve been rather disappointed how often the iterative model underlying permaculture is often just an excuse to not bother learning beyond what you can see yourself.
Is what it is though *shrugs*
No bad plants just bad managment practices and people who don’t understand plant interactions.
I think there is something to that.
Ever heard of kudzu?
@@frederickheard2022 yep. But it ain’t like it bought the plane ticket to get here. Hence the bad management practices and people not understanding plant interactions comment.
@@LordChumbley no bad plants, just places some plants shouldn’t be
@@frederickheard2022 but once it’s here it’s here so we best just learn smart ways to deal with it.
Well, thanks for the pawpaw seedlings but I think its time to unsubscribe.
That seems like a shame. I put forward a clear and reasonably formed explanation as to why I appreciate a certain plant. If what you need is for anger and derision shown against plants that are expected to be hated that feels like a sad place to occupy. Perhaps there is room to not plant or care for this or other hated plants, but still find a way to relate with care towards them.
Either way, I hope you enjoy the Paw Paws!
This is a relative of this plant called Russian Olive which is native to where I'm at in northern Nevada. It doesn't seem to spread much at all in my area, so it's easily manageable. Do you have an experience with Russian Olive?
Russian Olive is not native to anywhere in the U.S..,that’s why it’s called “Russian Olive”.
It is taking over the waterways in many parts of western U.S., pushing out the native willows and cottonwoods.
I don't know of this one, haven't seen it in our landscape as far as I know
Russian Olive is not native to anywhere in the U.S. (hence the name, "Russian Olive"). It is taking over waterways in the western U.S.
Russian Olive is not native anywhere in the United States (hence the term "Russian" Olive). It is pushing out the native willows, box elders and cottonwoods in the West.
@@janetdowell6005 My mistake, it's become naturalized in Nevada. It doesn't seem to be invasive in my area at all, I have several and I've never seen them even sucker one time ever.
Like Autumn Olive though, people hear something bad about it and they just repeat it endlessly. Oh no it's an "invasive" nitrogen fixer with edible fruit. What ever will we do.
Hey this honestly makes me want to stop listening to you. A shame
I can't imagine what I said in this video that would feel shameful or needing to no longer take in anything I've said. Would you be so kind as to articulate anything I shared as a direct observation of a plant in our landscape that makes you need to leave?
@@edibleacres i just randomly came across a totally vaccinated sounding take about "plant racism being correlated with the make America great movement" and just totally lost respect for you and the channel...ive been watching for at least a year and never even knew or cared about your political stance as I was here for honest permaculture education...after hearing such a shallow and unhinged remark that totally shits on half the country for absolutely no reason you lost all credibility with me..I can only assume everything else you have said is unsubstantiated nonsense also and now ill have to atart learning from scratch....sad......unsubscribing 👍