Plant Solutions to People Problems - Part One
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Rink-a-dink neighbors. We have to deal with them sometimes. It's phenomenal how wonderfully beneficial, deep, friendly, wonderful and rewarding our relationship with our dear neighbor Ian is who is up watershed and windshed from our smaller property. What a joy!
Well, our guy to the up-wind and up-watershed of our larger property is less of a joy. So we adjust, and we work, and we resolve with deep ally ship with plants and water and air. We move forward and heal. This video tries to highlight that approach.
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Just wanting to put out a deep heartfelt thank you to all you kind folks sharing with us on this video. SO many experiences of boundary issues, complexities with folks using chemicals or land abusive approaches, our experience isn't unique or particularly bad in the grand scheme for sure. We feel heard and supported and really fundamentally part of a big community here of thoughtful and kind people, so thank you all for being part of all this!
It must be hard to deal with that situation. But your approach is the healthiest: do what you can on your side. Who knows, it might be a blessing in disguise. You are definitely blessing your neighbor with a great example of charity and grace. Not falling into anger and despair, and holding on to your own peace and agency, there's great hope for the future.
Wondering if deer will be an issue until things fill in?
We have had great success training the deer to stay away from our fruit tress with a peanut butter fence, since a full fence/hedge wasn't viable for us.
Hoping (praying) for you to own a large portion of the United States, or wherever you'd like to. There are roughly 3 acres of unused land per person (newborns included) in these "united" states and greed within corporate America seems to have divided us by creating laws/lobbying.
Greed within each Industry always hampers every Field of Knowledge(reach subject in school for example), as long as it exists. And we're forced to tout the unwitting/unwilling as professional...
On a brighter note, I can't recall if I asked you about any knowledge pertaining to natural taurine and plant growth. Please let me know if you'd like some intel, I've pieced many things together which aren't yet in plain sight.
I am sorry your neighbor took such extreme measures. You and Juan are showing wonderful grace.
Our neighbor dug a new leech field on our property a few feet and uphill from our attached garage. When I contacted the county, he lied and told them we had approved the infringement. Property lines are human constructs. Keep your gentle heart, which is the enduring and a gift to your beautiful wife & daughter. I will plant a tree on my property tomorrow for the one you lost. ❤
Clarification: we already had a survey and staked line markers when we purchased the property. The survey was registered with the County when we submitted the building permit. Because they had the paperwork from a certified engineer, the County made him relocate the field, restore our land and reseed with native grasses. We added a sturdy fence. Then we sold the house. Sorry I wasnt clear that we had resolved the issue. I agree with all of you. Know your property lines: stake, flag and fence.
That's a really good idea about the tree - I'll do the same - may have to be a walnut at my place.
I hope that you got a resolution for this issue. Neighbor should technically relocate the leeching field. Over time he could claim that property as his. Meanwhile he owes you rent on that property….. I agree that we should always be kind, love your neighbor as yourself…but what do you do when you sell or he sells the property???
@@tuliplangel4624 That's when it becomes very messy.
I planted 100 native Iowa shrubs Sunday and I now dedicate it to this channel! I am sick to see the giant serviceberry stretching its last breath and giving back as it only knows how. You're an awesome dude, Sean. I wish you guys were my neighbors! Hugs to you all.
I am sorry to hear about this Colette. For any agreement to be legal it must be in writing. Look into what plant material may soak up water.
Requiem For The Serviceberry. May condolences from friends ease the hearts of the grieving. Respect & Love
RIP Serviceberry :(
Kudos to you for not letting that event prevent you from growing!
I like the idea of combating destruction with a wall of life. 😀
BTW: You got a nice shout out today from Ben at the "Hollar Homestead" channel. They are happy customers of your bare root sales.
A friend of ours recently said "there's often a detour called extra work on the road between disturbance and opportunity, but you get there by moving forward". I hope all of those new individuals flourish from the work you all and the previous inhabitants of the space have put in.
Thank you for leading by example. We need more Peaceful Warriors in the world. In time, the landscape will heal, and the energy you are putting into making the transition a positive and beneficial process will result in a wonderful outcome. I can't wait to see what it all looks like next year and beyond.
Second comment; I had to pause while Juan spoke about the serviceberry. I had not initially learned about and thought about using it, but I had a state forester walk my land with me to talk about native choices to succeed or replace invasives--or to avoid invasive altogether in favor of natives. So, he talked about including serviceberry rather than bradford pears (often used as estate trees in the suburban environment). I ordered a dozen and got those planted in the upper meadow yesterday. I'm looking forward to seeing those grow at the opening into the upper meadow. I will be so happy to have flowers for my kids to enjoy.
You are a kinder and gentler soul than I. My neighbors were offended that I had a survey done and marked out, accused us of trying to take land from them - nonsense, of course, the survey shows who owns what and doesn't take anything. But it did reveal where they were using part of our property for part of their 4 wheeler track. So yeah, they were taking our land. After the survey was done, they took a brush hog and cut a four wheeler track right along the line on their side, so they can roar past as close as possible to where we sleep. I will be getting fencing installed along that line, in part because they've told us who they are. More importantly, our zone 1 food forest is being built up as a visual and sound barrier between them and us.
I'm curious what you are planning to grow that acts as sound barrier?
We are hoping to get some land soon and I'd like to do something similar.
I highly recommend bamboo. It's amazing as a grove, provides visual and sound protection, the tender shoots are edible in early Spring, and also very cool in the summer (A/C effect of upper level moisture dropping to the ground). Most importantly it spreads rapidly via underground rhizomes so will naturally block that trail they use to "roar past as close as possible" to where you sleep.
@@jeffmeyers3837 Planting bamboo along a shared boundary is a very aggressive move. Bamboo can be restrained well when managed by someone that understands how it spreads, but intentionally planting it where it will spread uncontrollably into a neighboring property is highly confrontational, despite typically not being against the law.
@@Zednor9 I would say bamboo is much less aggressive than what the neighbor did - namely accusing them of using their land, protesting to a survey, and then cutting in a four wheeler track along the line so they can roar past as close as possible to where they sleep. But yeah, bamboo is aggressive, lol. It's a solution.
You are in a a land grab by psychotics. Your response is lukewarm at best. It is time to get a lawyer. Photograph all encroachments, and catalog all incidents that breach into the peaceful enjoyment of your property. You will be like the battered wife in a marriage to an alcoholic. The fox is already in the hen house.
I’m so glad you have Juan to help mitigate what must have been incredibly disheartening when it happened. We need to be like ants I guess and just keep persevering when things get destroyed. Such a senseless act but such a beautiful response to it💜
Those people have so little knowledge of what they’re doing, it’s just absolutely bonkers. What’s reaffirming to me is knowing you are there helping life to repair the wound, and that everyone else is here to witness and support and learn from it. Imagine if for every destructive act there was a creative process ready to step in - for every schlump with a bulldozer there was some thoughtful person with a wheelbarrow full of cuttings. ❤
bro I'm sorry about your berry loss. RIP old friend, knowing you I bet you have it's children everywhere!
I admire your ability to make this video. I dealt with a similar situation in which my neighbors, after a wildfire, not only mechanically harvested most of the remaining timber, but they also bulldozed a portion of our very small corner of unburned forest floor with a mesmerizing fungal and plant diversity.
That is horrifying. So sorry you had to deal with that :(
Sorry to hear that you have a lowest common denominator next door. Lilac is a wonderful beast for hedgerow. Takes it all, keeps growing, and does not care if the neighbour likes to plow the borders.
We see the same clash of philosophies at increasingly greater scales the world over - cooperation versus competition, profit versus livelihood, ownership versus stewardship... You and Juan (and me) with our shovels and cuttings, may seem ridiculously weak in comparison to the power of the excavator, pesticides and the vast system of financialization behind them, but our weakness is stable, their power is precarious. What will a hike in oil prices or a glitch in the supply chain do to their model? What will it do to ours? The world will teach us to apply the precautionary principle with much greater attention and guide us towards a much more thoughtful allocation of resources. Here's to a hand-made world!
My heart goes out to your major loss. You guys are amazing in your resilience to keep on growing. Just like the plants do.
You have set such an incredible example in how you have handled this, avoiding the default human response of retaliatory destructive responses and making positive steps instead.
It is a shame I assume he doesn't realise the benefits he is reaping in areas such as pollination due to what you are doing, but you are right not to waste time with him and put your energy into what matters. Looking forward to seeing updates of thr recovery!
You could plant some native plums and get a nice thicket going
third comment; As you asked about whether there is overflow from neighboring properties I had to think about my place in the midst of neighbors. I've got the largest property in the little hillside and valley. I'm surrounded, but my property is the big one with meadows and forests and the bulk of water drainage/flow. So, rather than thinking of how to defend against incoming air/water, I am thinking of how to be an example and how my choices will be an impact on my neighbors. So far, the neighbors have expressed excitement at my intent and they are pleased to see children at the property to bring a spirit of reinvigorated new generations. Not only am I the larger property, but I'm also younger than my neighbors by twenty to thirty years. Most have said they've got grandkids older than my kids, and one or two great-grandkids at approximately the same ages. So, we're bringing a younger generation to the landscape.
wait to carry yourself in an upright way after such a lame move. great example. i know many people including myself that would of thrown a fit. awesome attitude & remediation brotha
It’s too bad you couldn’t pull that beautiful old service berry onto your side and try to save it. The way you turn sticks into plants, you have got the power to save that lady.
Was thinking the same!
YES. I'd probably sneak over and get some cuttings (branches and roots as I have no idea if they propagate that way).
That tree is way bigger than the camera shows I think. The roots have been too damaged as well. Cuttings still might work but all the blooms and many leaves would have to be removed and some rooting powder could be used to assist them when plunging them into the ground. 🤔 The success rate might not be worth it. That being said, they could go for it and just cut and plunge loads of them and hope for the best.
I'm sure if they thought they could save it they would have tried...I tried saving a small dwatf apple tree an orchard ripped out in early spring with no luck..so probably no saving it unfortunately
@Ni-dk7ni Very true, as a horticulturalist I do it all the time. The context of this though is a traumatic one for the tree and it is in bloom already, which can make it more difficult. Something to always consider when attempting the effort.
Me and my wife lived on a property earlier where we had cropfields in three of four directions, and they were sprayed conventionally, my wife was pregnant during this time and our daughter spent her first years there, and 8 month old she was diagnosed with cancer in her cerebellum, now, we can't know that it was the sprays that caused it, but we don't live there any more and our daughter is now almost 5 and she made it out without any noticable impairments which fells totaly incredible after two surgereys.
So now on our new property we had an abandoned smallscale orchard that was bought up, and is being prepared for houseing, it has change the local envoirment alot, with alot more wind, but we are also leaning into our plant friends to solve the people problem, and atleast this time it's just people and nature problems, not chemicals.
Such a loss, my heart mourns. Some people are just cruel and we can only try to grow from wounds they inflict. I love the way you are dealing with this tragedy, such a positive and thoughtful response to a terrible action! I learn so much more from Edible Acres than just growing trees and watching chicken TV. Thanks for the video, I hope to see an update with vigorous growth soon!
I’ve dealt with property line issues for years, it’s my job. I agree that you should get a survey done, because property used to be sold by written description, then drawn surveys and now all corners are tied to GPS coordinates …I have seen cases of people loosing property because their paperwork is too old. Don’t know how long this property has been yours, but if it hasn’t been updated to GPS coordinates it is important that you do so…blessings, love your content
Exactly this. Without knowing the exact property lines you run the risk of further arbitrary incursion (and conflict) which could otherwise be easily settled with a glance at the survey.
Yup 3-4 hundred would save lots of time and headache, I had my property surveyed right after buying glad I did I know exactly where my lines are
My neighbors are feuding over a survey that showed 2 buildings are on the others property...after 75 years. I also noticed that all the property lines in my area are now "wrong" by at least 7-15 feet.... It takes a really stubborn person to think we all just had it all wrong this whole time and that 5 feet of property is worth fighting over. One man is in his 70's and lived there for 40 years, the other moved in 5 years ago and wanted it all surveyed and now has taken back the land this man's barn and shop are built on.
I will challenge any survey done to my property that states I don't own that land and suggest everyone does the same thing.
@@CRoo-zu5ij See that’s the problem, property used to be sold by description…like, from the oak tree 100 feet north to the flat rock and south west 200 feet to the edge of the creek, etc….now with the use of GPS coordinates lots of property is being found to be ‘wrong’ because GPS is so accurate. I’ve had clients pay to get their entire block in order to find where the discrepancies are….in that case the owner inherited the land and his parents owned it for 60 years, so it had not been re-surveyed. Turned out there was not enough land on the block for each lot to have the 100 feet of width and since his lot was the last to have its paperwork updated he lost 10 feet of width….. everyone please be aware of this issue, best wishes….
@@CRoo-zu5ijyou are mistaken that five feet are property are not worth fighting over. You are not immune from this turmoil soon it will spread to you.
You could also plant some tall flowers like foxglove or golden rod. They'll help to cheer up the situation.
I can relate to the issue and can say as the plants cover the hole, healing happens.
Yes, more flowers!
I was thinking about how grateful I am for you guys today as I was up potting my black currant cuttings purchased earlier in the year from your farms. I bless you, Now. I’m so sorry for the damage that was done and I pray that you come out better for it with a strong recovery. Fences make good neighbors.
I also recently purchased a bunch of black and red currant cuttings from Edible Acres, and after this video it made me smile to go out and see so many of them with new leaves unfurling. Seeing new plant growth thriving is a great way to cheer up after seeing devastation like was done to that grand old serviceberry tree. Edible acres may have lost a little ground along that fenceline, but its offspring is growing strong out here. My giant miscanthus grass is also doing very well out here. I just relocated some and propagated a bunch out to new areas this year.
you need to have a survey done
No bamboo. More native shrubs .. Clethra or azalea vicosum, Ilex vert, Salix to name a few
I just saw your hazelnuts in Hollar Homstead you tube . Every one he planted he exclaimed how beautiful the bare wood plant was.
What a turd deal !!!
Inspiration to keep up good spirits in the face of foolishness. Keep up the awesome work ! Juan has become a cool element of the channel, love to see community in demonstration!
I have to say you’re being more gracious than many of us who would be so bummed by what happened. You are leading by example. I thought autumn olive, although it has healing properties, has been designated as an invasive or undesirable in the North east. (PA zone 6).
I was breast feeding my two month old baby when the chainsaws started up . The elderly neighbors had decided that the trees and shrubs were too messy. I grabbed supplies in haste and drove away so I wouldn’t poison my babe with my grief. Day after day we did this. As my babe grew into a child we gathered wild black walnut and buckeye seeds and threw them over the property line every year. The squirrels added wild acorns. By the time we moved away from there ten years later , there was a nice hedgerow.
HI Sean, A friend called me today with a similar circumstance in NY, pertaining to new development which will affect drainage onto her property. So glad you showed your solution. Is it possible to take cuttings from the tree you lost? I want to give you some happiness. your beautiful hazelnut seeds arrived today! I am tree barren, and have longed for trees that I love so dearly. I feel a piece of your family is here with me now. 100 baby trees to plant! along with your beautiful garlic here in my space of peace. Blessings to you and your family from AZ!
It sounds like this neighbor is a very poor neighbor indeed. Was he really using that land. One of the grouchy old misers. "This is mine and I want it". One of the big reasons that I watch your channel is because of your kind heart to every creature or plant. Other than the fact that I learn a lot from you as you are also very free with sharing your knowledge. One of my favorite parts of your channel is the, "Chicken TV". I know chickens are so interesting to watch.
Years ago we had to plant 2 miles of our property line with evergreens and fast growing hybrid poplars with lots of under story brush to keep the neighbors GMO field corn from pollinating our sweet corn plus all of their harsh chemicals. As you know corn is wind pollinated. God Bless Joe Scott Muddy Dog Ranch
Love the Autumn Olive representation :)
Osage orange and lots of it :)
Sending love and light to all of you and a big healing blanket hug 🙏🙏🙏 hang in there
You guys are my kind of people!. I woke up to the sound of a chain saw yesterday. My neighbor had about 10 * real men* ( they think) cutting down a magnificent 70 year old tree. I spent all morning getting tearful to not good use. The old guy was in excellent health, I couldn't see any reason to chop it in to bits. Did I mention my neighbor has no taste. I needed to do something but what?. I remembered an old lady I knew, who used to talk to the bees. She said you should tell the fairies to talk to any tree that needed to be cut down, that this would happen. I grew up in Scotland, we believe in the wee folk there. So I called out to any fairy or wee folk that might be listening. HELP! Long story, short. Apparently you can ask the spirit of the tree to move in to your garden, who knew! So the old guy has moved into a pear tree on my property. So if you listen at night when it's supposed to be quiet you can hear the two old geezers, arguing about who gets which branch to sleep in.
😳this is my worst nightmare. Hope you can get through this rough time.
While I know you are looking to take the peaceful route. If you built up to established and definite property boundary that has been recognized for a long time, there is a strong likelihood he is in the wrong legally regardless of a recent survey showing the MODERN property boundary a few feet off. GPS is a relative new addition to the surveying world, but hedgerows, posts and rock cairns are time tested. It would be advisable to know your rights in the event this situation continues. Best of luck in your replanting and healing.
Neighbors and chemicals 😵💫 I appreciate how you’re dealing with it. I’ve had to give up with one neighbor who empties extra pool water onto my property. Just too much negative energy.
Dang dude I'd just survey the land and just make sure I'm having the same issue but not to this extent. What in the world tripped that guy off? Your a much nicer person than I'd be.
Try rugosa rose near the willow. It will look so beautiful every spring it will remind the neighbour how beautiful what you're doing is. They will grow in a thorny hedge and the small wildlife will use it as nesting/protection. Becoming a fertiliser accumulator. The heat generated will increase the microbial activity to speed up the breaking down of chemicals.
Navigating stewardship of the land where man made constraints apply. Thank you for taking good care of the your charge, and exampling a better way.....Ultimately, what matters is the care, and the guilds of ecosystems.
I truly believe they could have been more sensitive to all the life they took, especially with the help of your expertise!!! Hugs and prayers!!!
Pointless destructive cruelty: as American as apple pie. May the new plants be a shield.
I admire your attitude, demeanor, and energy in this. Clearly this hurts, but you press on and make the best. We have a conventional farm (corn/soybeans with all the "normal" spraying, etc) to the north (and upslope) of our two acre property in Maryland. I hope it helps you to know that I've drawn inspiration from your videos and am doing my best to establish plant allies to assist in buffering our situation. Particularly, your living wall videos have helped me greatly (as well as the miscanthus root cuttings that you sent!).
Personally, I'm very interested in trying out seaberry as a catch plant for this type of scenario. If planted as a thick enough hedge it may also serve to dissuade deer in addition to all of its other functions. I've finally been able to acquire some hardwood cuttings; hopefully they are able to root successfully.
Hey Sean, for the pollution barrier, I'd recommend White Mustard as a cooler season intermittent, together with the Salix, Populus and Sambucus characters known to depollute soils. The advantage of White Mustard is that it grows vigourously, and even after dying, it dries upright. Plus the pollinators will appreciate the nectar early in the season (spring).
You should be proud of yourselves for dealing with this situation in such a level headed grown up manner. Your neighbours should be ashamed of themselves for this deliberate vandalism. Sending love and positive energy your way. I'm not exactly a neighbour of yours, Manchester UK, but i believe that love and positivity have no boundaries.
Been following your channel for some time now and you have taught me a lot.
Don't ever stop believing in what you do and please please hold your head high as you are on another level.
Love and hugs to you and your team. ❤
Boundary issues really bring out the worst in humans :( I so appreciate your healthy & forward thinking attitude which sets a good example & provides inspiration for all of us!!!!!!
Property line issues suck. When I bought my house the survey showed that my neighbor’s fence was entirely on my yard by 18 inches. It doesn’t bother me any, but I made a mental note that if she ever gets a new fence I will make sure that gets corrected. I’m not going to rent an excavator to bulldoze her fence. The neighbor should’ve given a courteous warning he was going to be doing that so you could’ve saved some of the plant life and relocated it to your side of the line.
There are adjoining property owners and there are sometimes regular workers who are the ones who do the actual work. Sometimes you can build a relationship with the workers, and they can do the work they were instructed to do with a little more consideration for the neighbors. I plant trees far enough back from the property line that the final diameter of the trunk will be entirely on my property. I do fences 6" back inside the property line so there is no dispute who owns the fence.
I'm sorry bro. I feel that. I work in my families garden and I always have to defend even very good decisions for the health & prospetity of the garden. God bless.
I am so sorry for your loss ☹️
Its things like this that i wish all us like minded people could own land next to each other! Those trees were all pretty good size snd have been there for a long while to assume they were the boundary makes sense what the neighbors did does not! He must have been really having a bad day. Stay strong and do what you can to heal the hedgrow.
Dude that is a travesty what your neighbor did. He has a big ass orchard but he needed the extra 2 feet which quite frankly, you should be entitled to by an easement. You are a bigger man than myself. That dude would be on my shit list forever.
God bless you Sean, you're a stand up guy. May your compassion be returned to you 10 fold.
Truly a bit baffling that an orchard owner doesn't appreciate the adjacent pollinator habitat. I live adjacent to a large row crop field that drains a ton of water onto my property. This spring I have been putting in a lot of effort to put in a three-piece combination that will help form a pretty permanent barrier:
1. Prunus serotina (wild black cherry) I've planted out both saplings and straight seed I collected last year. This is going to be the first line of trees right on the property boundary because they not only tolerate excess soil nitrogen but, are one of the few native North American trees that actually thrives with extra nitrogen rather than struggling to metabolize it. Their ability to exploit higher nitrogen concentrations caused by the introduction of industrialization to the eastern seaboard actually caused a significant shift in forest populations that has only very recently started to weaken,
2. Prunus Americana (American plumb) is planted out in the next line to form a dense hedgerow underneath the black cherry. It has a really strong thicket forming habit with how much it suckers. I actually already have a stand at the back of my property, and mixed in some suckers I dug up in with the bareroot stock I bought from my state nursery. Really hoping to expand what I already have so that I can harvest more suckers in the future as rootstock for other domesticated prunus varieties I have planted elsewhere.
3. The last row is Quercus bicolor (swamp white oak). These are all planted right next to the walking path that floods pretty intensely every spring and during really heavy thunderstorms. They will tolerate wet soil really well, and when more mature in 10+ years, they will start pulling up and holding a lot of that water in their bodies. I also wanted them close to the walking path so I can baby them and make sure they grow as quickly as possible - but also to make harvesting acorns easier when I am 50+ years old.
It is definitely not going to fix the problem by next spring, but between the mirco-ponds I dug and the plumb thicket that will be filled in - it should be massively improved within 5 years, and only get better all on its own after that.
On a less positive note, I REALLY do encourage people to remove honeysuckle bush whenever they can. Their classification as an invasive isn't just because they shade out other plants or produce low quality fruit that isn't particularly good for native bird species - they actively change the soil biome in a way that harms trees. A thick undergrowth of honeysuckle bush growing in a woodlot can reduce yearly tree growth by up to 40%. Their spread not only destroys early succession prairie habitat, but it also delays and limits late succession forest growth which undermines native food web stability. A lot of people in my area let it run rampant in their hedgerows, along the road especially, and it does a ton of damage to the associated trees' ability to put out nuts and fruits that have better nutrient compositions rather than just low value sugar the honeysuckles themselves provide. Using them to create a screen because they leaf out early, and hold their leaves longer than most natives is really trading away a lot of future good for a little bit more flushed visual screen.
That person must be ignorant of all that, otherwise they would behave differently. A modern orchard is an attempt to turn nature into a profit machine, it's worlds away from the way Sean interacts with the world.
Cedar waxwings love honeysuckle berries in VT
@@user-wk4ee4bf8g Okay? Not really sure what I am intended to do with this information.
@@Dontreallycare5 Was just saying they fit into the food web just fine for some species in some areas. If an invasive requires ongoing human removal, it's a lost cause. You can regulate your patch for however long you live, but honeysuckle is coming right back when you stop. Invasives are inevitable, we can't stop them completely. These ecosystems WILL keep continuing to be changed by them, that's just how it is.
@@user-wk4ee4bf8g If the metric for fitting into a food web is just that birds are attracted to it - then you are right. We should just give up. Not worth the effort to protect something people aren't interested in understanding in any meaningful way, I suppose.
Ah well...😞 Just in case you should ever need it Sean, here's a quote from Groucho - "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." x
It’s a relief I’m sure to have everything legal… lots of work but it will be beautiful 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
Nothing wrong with clumping bamboo, said anyone who spent a whole 5 minutes researching it; good luck on the gentle fight. Wish I could teleport there with my teenagers to help in and enjoy the plantings. :). Just a thought but mulberries can handle a lot of weird impact and feed the birds on the outskirts.
Sorry to see this. I agree with the other comments stating the need for commissioning both a formal survey and a good legal assessment of what just happened and might in the future. For your own current and future protection. And also to rectify the situation if applicable, including potentially recovering damages. But mostly to protect yourself and your interests going forward. As far as what more to plant for a chemical screening border, I know they can be slow growing but I wonder if a dense evergreen wall isn't what you might want there eventually: aborvitae, hemlock, spruce, eastern red cedar all might be more dense than pine. I would think you would probably be able to trade for anything you might want to put there.
so sorry you have to deal with this.
You are both good people. I can see how this upsets you both, especially that gorgeous service berry. I am sorry he couldn't find a mutually agreed upon plan for pushing back the hedge to an agreed area. I am blessed to have Amish neighbors so the only thing I have to worry about is cat's and dogs wandering over. Your remediation work is inspiring. Might need to find more spaces for willow in my design.
If only there were more people like you with gentle hearts, but strong purpose, it would be a better world. "We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass...." We are stewards of the land and all its inhabitants, not its ultimate owners. We can have boundaries, but still appreciate the principles of stewardship and community. Many blessings to you and yours.
The City of Winnipeg once sprayed herbicide on my herb garden and then fined me $125 for growing herbs instead of grass. Instead of planting grass I just left the area dead and campaigned politically against pesticides.
That’s terrible.
@@DeborahSch Thanks for the sympathy. It really was terrible. I think that if the city knew how much my anti-pesticide campaign was going to force them to change, they would have kept their poisons to themselves.
@@bryanbeast8662
Good luck in your campaign!
Unbelievable
So sorry you have to deal with that!
Sorry for your loss
ESI farmers (Every Square Inch) - they are the dominant breed here in the U.K…. we have similar issues with people who value a clean, open boundary and can’t see the multiple values of the areas like you had created. It just means that you lose a bit of productive space and time as you recreate the effect further within your own legal boundaries, just keep an eye that your neighbour doesn’t start creeping over your boundary in years to come as they see the new strip of “unproductive land” as “no man’s land”! This is why I can’t support the idea of a world without borders - if we had a world full of people with your values it would be fine, but unfortunately we don’t! P.s. I would definitely avoid bamboo!! Maybe a really dense hazelnut planting that could act as a seed breeding zone in future and coppice any that don’t fit the breeding goals?
That Serviceberry was a Chief.
Our neighbours have just decided to turn the field above us from grass to maize. First up this involves spraying the grass with herbicides. Bad enough that it's just across the hedge, it's also where the spring water supplying our house comes from. Mmmmm yummy, chemicals in our drinking water 🙄
Sending love and blessings to your and your friends (including the plant friends). You continue to be such an inspiration. ❤
We feel you here as a similar situation has happened more than once amongst shared lines with 6 neighboring properties. Due to (hidden) utility easements along the property lines, we were emotionally entangled in disputes and drained of motivation. After a few years of figuring out what would work for us, the pathways are along the property lines and on the side of our property begins the updated landscape and growth. This allows us to maintain the 'road' outside the landscape to prevent any further worries of encroachment. Sure, we've lost quite a bit of growing space but the sigh of relief outweighed the risks. Unfortunately, this has not prevented 1 neighbor from meandering onto our property and literally throwing rodent poison balls onto our fields, we have to take steps forward to continually find solutions to people problems. Some have mentioned planting in memory of your loss and our farm here will do the same, the perfect time of year to dedicate implanting babies to remind us that nature appreciates our concern and love. Many returns will be appreciated by our children and generations that follow. Thank you for sharing the experience and I have learned quite a bit from you how to cleanse the approaching toxins & actions neighbors seem to be addicted to. Your calm heart is a gift, thank you!
honourable to keep the peace and therefore dignity
Like everyone else, I'm so sorry for your loss.
I appreciate the support here thank you
Appreciated the information, thanks for sharing.
Man, that's harsh. I would also feel that very deeply. Shock, sadness, the rawness left behind. Like others, I have a story.
We had some people purchase the property connecting to the back of our property during the early stages of Covid19. The real estate agent lied to them about how large their property was and those people proceeded to cut and clear in all kinds of ways back there. Our other neighbors noticed the activity and notified us. They actually built a cabin 10' to the south of the property line(thinking they had way more clearance). They saw the large metal pin posts marking the property lines but ummm, decided they must be for something else....riiigghhhht. I had to not loose my, yah know, cool 😁
It took along time to get them to stop coming onto our land and I have to say that they still do. We discovered discarded food they put out for deer and they still use part of a trail they made as access to drive through. As long as they are respectful, we won't make a big deal about it. It has made us reconsider maintaining our trails so they can't drive around back there. We have worked hard on encouraging a balanced, natural ecosystem but it's amazing how disruptive they have been in such a short time. We make a habit of walking back there regularly now, just to keep an eye on things.
I have decided to do the same solution along the back of the property line to make a clear hedge row so it blocks that cabin out and hopefully help the animals feel safer. ☺ Thanks for sharing your solution to a heart breaking event. I really appreciate it.
I really admire your approach to situations like this, and I like viewing the plants as your EMT crew! Gardening in a city, I'd like to show people how empowering and amazing it feels to grow our native plants, especially ones considered weeds. I remember praising goldenrod and recommending growing it to a friend, and I didn't expect it to hurt as much as it did when they told me that they hated it. I guess I'll have to demonstrate how gorgeous they are myself. Then maybe they'll come around :D
It's a shame that this approach to gardening isn't the norm. If it was, maybe we'd have more neighbours like your friend on your smaller property! Best of luck re-growing the border. Looking forward to the updates!
I'm so sorry this happened to you all. I can't wait to see what the boundary looks like in a year or so. I'm really working on trying to think about the soil, plants, and trees first before I mess with anything. When I first started gardening, I removed plants for the wrong reasons. I finally learned my lesson and I've stopped doing that.
Am sorry to know you had to go through this
Wow, I would be devastated at the loss of that service berry. Really sorry to see this go down.
I greatly appreciate your views towards the “invasive” plants that are helping out in your current context. I feel the same way about many potentially problematic plants in my landscape.
I am using a lot of Sun chokes and red maple (amongst many other plants!) to rapidly fill in holes along my fences with neighbors. In my area folks love their round up..
Will be beautiful to see all those cuttings tree. Jungle on
RIP serviceberry. Your positivity and grace is refreshing. We live in a more suburban setting and our next door neighbor has taken out a few beautiful, mature sugar maples along our fence line as he didn't want to deal with the leaves each Fall and his next door neighbor was tired of scooping leaves out of his pool and wanted more sun for swimming and tanning. They went half and half on the removal. I stood in shock as the tree company removed them. I understand that feeling of an open wound/scar in the landscape. They provided a beautiful wall of green and homes for animals. Without their screen I see even more houses around us, but I'll keep planting trees and plants in our yard for the wildlife. Our Fedco order arrived this week full of natives to add to our 0.2 ac plot. :)
Count yourself lucky. Our old neighbour pulled out trees on his side and pushed them onto our managed waterways. Those neighbours were inconsiderate from day one. Fortunately we've had much nicer neighbours now. It taught me though, neighbours can change hands and then you don't know who you're dealing with over property boundaries.
Having experienced it first hand, what neighbours can do, I recommend putting your hedgerow, further back into the property line. I would have a simple strung wire fence, with a lawnmower width or two (your side) before planting the hedgerow. I had a neighbour spray the property boundary with chemical and kill the trees I had growing, closest to the property boundary.
This time your neighbour used a machine. Next time they could spray deeply on their property line and have it seep over to yours.
Much respect (and sympathy) for your people problem and admirable response.
Question:
Miabina? Vigorella?
I wouldn't count on the pines being planted on his side but here's hoping.
Don't take people's word when they say they own that land ✌️☮️
People are so strange about property lines in upstate NY . I have 5 acres in Binghamton area . I have 4 neighbors who have much larger properties than I do . If I hadn’t put up a fence they would all keep creeping in on my orchard until it was gone. One mowed down my entire hedge row. When I told him that I wanted the messy natural hedgerow. He informed me that he should have charged me for cleaning up the mess . This guy owns 100 acres and uses a huge bat wing tractor to keep it mowed . Luckily he doesn’t spray any thing. When I lived in other places with postage stamp properties. The neighbors didn’t care about a 6 inch border.
Man, I'm sorry, r.i.p service berry. This is so great that you are sharing this problem solving with everyone though, unfortunately mot everyone is ready to join on the sustainability wagon, but great learning opportunity. Ya'll always impress me with your grace and flow. I'm curious does the Mycanthus (sorry if I butchered the spelling) grass good for soil/water filtration too? I know it makes a great wind/sight barrier, but haven't thought of it in that way yet..... and what a great way to jonor the service berry, to plant more! Love that idea! I am always throwing around ideas in my head whenever I'm at a park or for example, there is a homeless encampment and a gas station right along this beautiful spring fed creek that runs all through our county and I would love to get a solid plan together to get the county's permission to plant some plant allies there that could help filter some of the gross waste that comes with those kind of people problems.
What about Guerilla Gardening. Don't ask for permission. Check out:
Canadian Permacultur Legacy
Crime pays but botany doesn't or Urban Guerilla growing - youtuber with lots of experience. 🍀🍀🍀🍀
Been watching you since lockdown yet again your inspiring I would have made everything worse by kicking off thanks for this deep lesson❤
I am so sorry to hear this. Seeing that serviceberry really breaks my heart. We have had to deal with the absolute neighbor from hell for decades. He loved to cut down trees, plant invasives and apply chemicals. He even sprayed his other neighbor’s dog in the face with Round-Up. He cut down the entire window barrier along our property line so I went right out and built a raised bed and replaced every single arborvitae… on our side of the fence. Strawberries grow like crazy here and are mostly evergreen so I planted a lot of those just to our side of the arborvitae. I planted so densely that we only get fruit a few feet in from his contaminated soil hoping to protect the pollinators. I dug shallow drainage ditches to keep the water flowing back toward his property line. I didn’t plant any food or medicinals within 3 feet of the property line.
And I stayed on top of keeping track of our dogs to make sure nothing dangerous was going on there. I let him know that my video camera was always at hand, that I was vociferous - and (unfortunately) litigious. After a few thefts and active arson we did end up in court a couple of times. But now? His widow leaves us alone and we leave her alone and we don’t even think about him anymore. I hate to say it, I really do, I even hate to feel it but I also have to be honest… good riddance certainly applies in this instance. Better luck with your neighbor. Wishing you the best, always.
Wow, these kinds of stories helps put into perspective how easy we actually have it. What a scary situation you went through
@@edibleacres sadly, no matter what we have to deal with there is someone else who has worse. Sharing stories puts things into perspective so thank you for sharing yours.
This video is timely for me as just yesterday I noticed a white film on the grass along a fence line that I share with a very strange & nosy neighbor. Last year I planted a row of 2yr old skyrocket junipers to gain some privacy from this intrusive neighbor. They have been dying off & I could not figure out why until I found the white residue. She gets upset anytime I plant anything… when the full food forest develops she is going to have a meltdown (and maybe even wish she didn’t poison the visual barrier). Your calm demeanor shows your strength of character & I’m going to channel that today. thank you 🙏
I currently don't have growing space with my apartment, but I volunteer at a farm nearby that has issue with airborne cow-generated particulate from the neighbors. We've planted some native perennials (in our case mostly oak, pecan, yaupon holly, dewberry, and passionflower) as windbreaks in a similar manner around the organic fruit and veggie farm to prevent too much dust from blowing in
It's not too late to save that tree! And although he was technically legal, it wasn't the right thing to do. My heart breaks for that serviceberry. I could hear your pain in losing it. Because we can do a thing, doesn't mean we should do a thing.😢
Their orchard appears to be a fair way away from the fence line. Obviously ample room to move machines and trucks and whatever else he needs to harvest and spray effectively. Why he being such a dick about a few feet of ground that he not using? Also, by law you are required to control your runoff and chemical applications to not effect adjoining land. Seems like you might have pissed him off, to make him stamp his feet like a five-year-old. I would not be handling this situation with the grace you are.
Not to that extent - but same heart break moment: one day we were stunned by a beautiful huge blooming tree - while having to fight through real hard times it was a Light in the dark - next day, it was gone and our recently put in posts too. Our neighbour was in the wrong. Though all the work was for nothing and the tree was dead. A lot of thoughts deprived us from sleep too. We work on 1 acre by hand, the neighbour has many acres and only sits in his machines spraying Glyphosat.
😭🌳 thank you for you respectful stewardship
My heart just broke watching this video for the utter senselessness of it. As one of the other posters noted, as always, your gentle, peaceful nature shines out and surely is to your credit, but I will confess I am angry for what has happened on your behalf. I'm truly sorry the callousness of your neighbor has wrought such destruction.
It's the influence of sasha and juan that really help keep me well balanced with all this that's for sure!
@@edibleacres Good on all of you for holding steady in the face of such obliviousness and wanton destruction. Your example is truly an inspiration for us all! ❤❤❤
Damn, that sucks, I feel your pain, I don't understand the need to destroy living things in this way, even if we can argue it was legally fine. Boundaries, bulldozers, chainsaws, chemical sprays, it's a world I really don't try to understand. But I have to say when we came to our property a neighbour (not immediate) advised me against planting anything on or close to our boundary line. I didn't really understand why he said that at the time but now I've learned one more reason. So I guess the lesson is don't plant anything on or close to your fence line unless absolutely sure where it lies, or if you can live with losing the trees (or whatever) overnight. Still, that's rough...
Maybe try buttonbush in the extra space?
good idea - they love marshy land and are good for butterflies
Wow--I am so sorry for your many losses here. Too bad this guy isn't as neighborly as Ian.
Also, thanks for sharing your positive attitude. I'd have a hard time holding back my anger and frustration, and I'm pretty dang chill. But I admire your restraint and positivity here. Adding fuel to conflict is pointless and only makes things worse. I wish I lived closer (or really, since neither of us want to move, that teleporters existed) so I could come over and give you some free labor!
Hey Charlie, thanks kindly. To be real, I started out pretty hot and firey about the whole thing but calmed down over time and with support from others landed in a more relaxed way about navigating this situation. Everything is just design to be done!