How Strong Itemization in Diablo 4? Exploring Character Progression Through Items in an ARPG
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00:00 Starting of Our Journey
02:01 Starter Level Gear
05:11 Tempering the Gear
09:19 Enchanting and Gems
10:51 Masterworking
13:05 Hunting for Better Gear
15:40 It Goes Even Deeper
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This is a great premise for a video. Making the struggle real in a different way lol.
When people would complain about Disgaea being "too grindy", my response was always "the grind is the game and the game is the grind". You either like it or you don't.
For item-centric ARPGs, the loot is the game and the game is the loot. You either like it or you don't.
It doesn’t have to be loot-focused. That’s just arbitrary culture of current ARPGs
@@corpsefoot758 if its not then people say theres no endgame. We know this it happened. The grind is the game the loot is the best grind.
@@Da5kone001
Then it’s the devs’ fault for not introducing alternative goals lol
ARPGs can endgame around narrative paths, (realm) PVP, simple cosmetics, or even (my favorite) mechanical skills
The fact most just lazily settle for the whole loot slot-machine instead is just an arbitrary subservience to the framework first built by David Brevik & his love of D&D’s loot, but has no inherent deep ties to the actual genre’s mechanics whatsoever
@@corpsefoot758 na regardless of how you phrase it this genre has an always will be loot focused. Its not lazy its what the players want, go poll people and ask if they want more campaign to be the progression of their ARPG experience, youll be laughed out of the room. You can have the things you mentioned but at its core if theres no valid loot progression then people wont stay around long enough to interact with them in this genre.
@@Da5kone001
The entire existence of fighting games proves you wrong on the theoretical ceiling. And Diablo’s entire isometry was stolen from XCOM, so you can’t pretend like other genres’ ideas can’t be successfully pushed into ARPGs as well
Just because it hasn’t been done yet doesn’t mean it can’t. But I don’t expect most people to understand that
11:12 just as a note, you dont increase every stat by 60% as for the crits, the other stats don't increase by 5% so they only get 9 rather than 12 masterwork 5% increases. But still significant increases
Yes, total 12/12 gear with no crits on a stat gets a 45% increase
You are correct. Thanks for the note.
It's so painful when you masterwork an item to 12, and the most expensive, last step increases the least relevant stat on your item and nothing else 🙈. I really wish it was 5% each step at least.
I really enjoyed this video Macro! Please do more of these are a welcome change of pace. You captured the emotional connection to ARPGs well with your delivery and that spoke to me as a hardcore fan of the genre. Great stuff!
Hey, Mac. Now, I'm not really the target audience for this video-I love the data-driven, evidence-based videos-but, honestly, this is one of the better conceptual primers for the most fundamental system(s) in the game. Also, I found your vocal tone and cadence to be perfect for the content you were presenting. Bravo.
Thank you!
"You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Necro Zone!"
This is so helpful, thank you!
Excellent video! Thanks again for sharing your insights and knowledge.
Digging the new video direction. Good variety 👍🏻
Very well done video. Useful for newbies to vets. GG Mac
Love you Mac. Great video!
I was there when you were recording the video !! I'm still vexed because curse size doesn't work with the new curse aura and corpse explosion size doesn't scale Blighted Corpse Explosion RIP Black River and the corpse explosion size tempers .... please send feedback to Blizzard to make the game make sense and don't follow the POE route 🙏
Very well made video! With Loot 2.0 the progression is so much smoother then ever before, and with the Pit we have a system to use the loot for.
The two most important things missing for me are SSF or SCF mode and a Leaderboard for each mode.
With a solo character found mode, i would care way less, that some classes tend to do 10 times the dmg of my class :)
Good vid, my dude.
Even tho i know these things, this was a very good video. And you have such a nice relaxing voice. If i need to relax and rest. I put on one of your videos, there is something with your voice that is very calming to me. Keep up the awesome work. On top on what i just said, your videos learn players so much, and i can feel you really enjoy making these videos. And ty for that.
Very nice work, even knowing all of this I found the logical progression meaningful. thank you.
Another great video Mac thanks for all your hard work for us necro players
New and nice diff kind of video. ✨✨
Hey great job! I learned a lot from your over the years! I hit the pit wall with my with my blight at 107 and for me that is pretty good. I have often wished, I could send you my build some how and have you critique it. I would love to see the developers implement an export function of a current build to an email address that is printable so we could "look" at it differently. I have tried all different kinds of weapon combinations with the blight build and paragon tree to try an push the damage out put but keep coming back to the two handed scythe. Anyway, thanks again for all you time and energy!
Sweet vid.
Great video that I haven't seen another creator cover
The only thing I have a problem with is having to read thru all the affixes on every item you pick up to see if it’s good or not. Eventually, you get good enough where you’re only picking up GAs, but I miss how in D2 you could instantly know what you have when you pick it up, and only on occasion would you pick up a rare or magic item to study the affixes, whereas in modern arpgs you’re studying everything you pick up
I think I got really pulled in by the music in this video. It made me feel at home somehow. Rolled a Nat 20 on this one!
Great vid
I thought we would further learn how to theorize and gear our characters properly in this video. Could we get a deeper dive for this subject in the near future?
It'd be nice to have a more knowledgeable community engaging with gear, creating new builds and playstyles
this was great (as all your stuff is)
Great vid, wish i had this a year ago. While all the itemization mechanics are there, we're still ultimately at the mercy of RNG aren't we? 😅
That's aRPGs
Love this type of video from you man. It’s a nice change of pace and it kinda hypes me up to keep working on my gear
Its nice to see the basics get reviews to put it into perspective. What health level is ok to have and still have all Topaz on armor gear?
I'd recommend 30k to feel comfortable
damn, this narrative style and music so close to rooks and kings clarion call narrative, brings nostalgia for completely unrelated game
Not just itemization, the paragon system also has its own depth that makes a significant difference. There's still out there people asking if it's worth max leveling their glyphs or asking why their glyphs don't "cover the same area" as the glyphs they've seen in a build guide; I've some people even asking if it's worth getting all the altars of Lilith 😅
TL, DR: it's a game that requires time investment and to understand its basic mechanics in order to get the desired results
First hand experience yesterday, paragon set up is very, very important, I had a golem shadow minion build, 2.2B damage on full set up, I decided to reset paragon to change to a full shadow mage build, didn't feel good so I went back to golem focused, I've now dropped down to 700M 😂😢 do a video and test paragon set up, which nodes to reach first, what glyphs fit which boars best 🎉
Another great vids man, at you were speaking of mechanics of the game whivh maybe i dont understand coreectly, im running a fireball/meteor build and i cant pass trough pit70 and im getting pissed of it, i made a thorn bash barb and im exploding pit85 whit half the effort i put into the gear 😑 i realy want to make my sors build viable
6:40 ok so I’m not doing too bad lol, I got there from learning the game on my own (for the most part) and building from the ground up each time. Two things learned along the way though was the paragon board is really just straight shots to key nodes and don’t activate every node you see and also crit damage is way more important than bucketing sometimes. Just made a barb and did pit 31 at lvl 80 we meh gear once I understood more of what was available. I never used gear guides and this is the first Diablo I e ever touched let alone even looked at. I suck but I’ll take the best of the worst trophy for now 🤣😂
Hey Mac, if you see this, was juat wondering if path of tragoul can accidentally combo with blood moon breaches, bone prison shooting bone splinters lucky hit inflict curse since they count as minion
Bone prison counts as a minion, your bone splinters do not.
I wasnt sure if it would count as damage from your minions. Thanks Mac!
"Shlooter" lol
Finding it so hard to figure out how to scale damage because of all the exceptions and bugs and ambiguous wording and rules.
Tempering bricking equipment makes it so slow to switch builds it’s difficult to experiment
You made a mistake regarding Masterworking. You get 45% increase on all stats, because on 4th, 8th and 12th only one stat is being increased.
Accurate critique
That intro has vibes of another UA-camr - SkillUp 😂
ShillUp* and yikes
The tempering system has to be overhauled, it’s ruining the fun for me. It should be I choose the affix I want and then the rng should be in the value of the roll I get. Getting lucky enough to get a GA drop that works for my build and then instantly having it bricked through tempering system feels really bad. And no, I do not want a new material I can grind for to reset my masterworks. I want to instantly enjoy the rewards from my grinding, not instantly salvage the thing I wanted to use but the tempering system bricked it.
The info is wrong. You increase each stat by minimum of 45% and not 60% by masterworking and 3 stats at 25% each.
Accurate critique
The video wasn't bad, but honestly I don't think people that watch your vids really need pre-101 level explanations. I think it would be helpful in your video build guides that you show and explain the exact rotation and play technique of the build being covered and how to activate each bonus multiplier on the build. I think a lot of people that have problems with builds don't understand there is a specific order of operations they have to do on every pack of mobs to fully activate all of the multipliers within a build.
That's the exact point of the video. To reach people who don't normally watch my stuff, while also giving people who normally do insight into how I see the game.
Things that would make Diablo 4 more attractive: - non-class-specific skin system, skill skins, hideout system These little things would become more attractive to players who don't want to buy a skin because it's not intended for their class, for example, or even have a character that's completely different from the others. -System for corrupting map regions with the use of Soulstones. As we know, Soulstones have the souls of Evil trapped inside each one. A system that allowed corrupting map regions and modifying enemies would be interesting (even with helltide active). Skill modifiers: Spells could have more modifiers to have more play styles, for example Blood arises from the necromancer could be a poison skill becoming a new poison skill Or hydra permafrost for the sorcerers
Thanks for the video. I have finalized my decision to stop playing D4. I'm sick of the inflated unfair pricing to utilize the systems. I'm sick of the unfair weighting of affixes when re-rolling and tempering and pricing associated with these systems. I'd be willing to bet master working has a similar hidden mechanic not fair to the player as well. I don't like the fact that resetting master working resets the master work entirely at every level and believe resetting should only take you back to the previous breakpoint. For example: reset at 4 to 0, 8 to 4, and 12 to 8, and the pricing involved to use this system is astronomical. I'm done playing a game that is not fair to ALL players and has to implement hidden mechanics just to keep the blasters blasting while shitting on the majority of the player base. I wish everyone the best of luck with their D4 adventures but I will not continue to support this game in any facet unless they make changes to make these systems fair. NOT favoring the player, but fair and respectful of my time. All the best luck to everyone. Thank you again, Mac, for what you contribute to the community.
Itemization is getting a huge expansion in season 6. I think by season 6, D4 will bê competitive to LE’s and D2’s itemization.
How'd you know?
Where did you hear this
Stop spreading rumours
i think uniques are mostly overrated
I still feel that Uniques have 4 aspects but those tempered have like 5 aspects therefore these unequal aspects is an imbalance that would cause problems in this masterworking etc....
Affixes and aspects are different things
@@jumpjack15 Regardless the imbalance in the number of lines for each gear will cause a major problem later on.
@@steviesmart2343 They're reworking uniques in S5. We already know they're adding tempering stats to uniques and they're increasing variance of rolls, which sort of implies a good stat roll on a unique item will probably be better than a same stat roll on a legendary item. A unique with good rolls might be on par with tempered legendary because of that.
@@drdynanite Hopefully cos the imbalance is causing a problem to balance powers.
32 life on hit, 242 life per second, resource cost redux - they already said they like the idea of perma-bricking items with no mention of neutering IGGM or AOEH which is chronically advertising in the crossplay chat. It’s ass. The drops have no correlation to the difficulty of the content. Tbh disappointing.
The life per second might have been ok if we had our old life values of like 15-20k but when we have 50k life 242 is pretty useless lol.
If it was %life gained per second or %life gained per hit so it scaled with us it might actually be useful
@@xxScullheadxx They can change this so easily if they want
Itemisation is really bad. Cant stack a particular stat because of restricted scalars. Stat caps make the game / builds homogenised and indistinct from each other. Need more generic uniques and more uncapped choices for scaling (hint: make it where you cant take them all)
What? If anything, having things uncapped is what homogenizes. Then you just stack the obvious best thing into oblivion. Like a paragon node that turns a specific additive damage into a multiplier and is uncapped. Great, everyone now takes crit damage everywhere and it is always the answer, skill tree, paragon, items, everywhere. Wonderful, such diversity. Adding a cap gives you 500 different ways you can combine all of the systems in the game to get there and let's you add in diversity both in how you reach the cap and in what you do with the things freed up by capping it.
More generic uniques? That's what has been plaguing the game. We need more interesting uniques with real tradeoffs.
@@maxmustermann3938Word up bruh
d4 was sold on "return to form" back to d2 but modernized....and it was just d3 that looked like d2 but was nothing like it..."everyone" but the d3 players just left...they're not gonna be able trick the fanbase like that again...poe, d3, the "shlooter" genre...is not a fantasy immersive genre as much as a game system genre...disappointing - i do expect more from my games as ive played better now. the expansion sales will be a curious thing because the old fanbase has been disenfranchised now and its just the d3/d4 fans left now...a MUCH smaller, niche community that wants vindication for liking this game...eh
The Diablo 2 diehard community represents a drop in the bucket of the total Diablo fanbase. Even just following population trends, there are more people who've never played Diablo 2 and are a fan of the franchise, than there are people who have played everyone since 1.
I levelled another barb as nec main, I would say nec is the best class