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Why is this art? Andy Warhol, Campbell's Soup Cans | Art History | Khan Academy
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"Art it whatever you can get away with" Andy Warhol
I have to admit, it's a well painted can of soup.
bahahahahaah mec ta trop raison XDDDDD
Reason can be given to anything.
Uncanny, really. Thank you for condensing this. You've really boiled this down; taken all of the ingredients and made them into something greater.
The comments here reveal that the same issues that existed back in the 60s in the popular conception of art (Artistic elitism, extreme conservatism, etc) are still well and alive today. Art as it was understood (as sculpture and painting, namely) reached their breaking point by the time the Dadaists and the abstract expressionists were doing their thing; stuff like pop art, conceptual art, performance art, video art (all things that people don't like because they're "not art"--a silly, lazy and deeply ignorant statement, in my mind) was an attempt to find NEWNESS in different modalities outside the traditional one.
People (or respected artists, at least) don't paint like the masters anymore because it's a dead and mined out process. Sure, you could make something shockingly dramatic like a Carvaggio and it would be impressive on a technical level but impossibly boring on every other level. People like Warhol made different art reflecting not only the current state of art as well as the industrial consumerist culture surrounding it--their intention was both progression and subversion, to make art into something new that wasn't just an endless recycling of the Hellenic style.
James Joyce and TS Eliot and the other famed modernists and post-modernists did the same thing; elevation of the crude and the "non art" to levels of high art. In effect, they were sticking up a middle finger to the late 19th century Victorian snobs who said "ART MUST BE BEAUTIFUL BUT ALSO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT." It's so strange to me that people will readily accept their methods of subversion but entirely reject people equally as brilliant like Warhol or Lichenstein because they have some strange pent up ideas about what visual art SHOULD be. That's exactly the problem that existed back then; you are exactly the people that every significant artist of the past 100 years is making fun of and trying to push past.
Yeah, soup cans are not as boring as Caravaggios ... ツ
thanks graff :D
Let them spit their vile, they just don't get it and will never get the genius of Warhol, a real irreverent. Neo con suckers.
Then take a used toilet commode ... Apply varnish.. Preserve that shit! Display it in museum n of course ..explain it. Call it art! Bcs that is what this person's work is. And a whole bunch of pretentious fakes acting like they
I don't see the "genius" of Warhol, I think that is a strong idea/attribution and I'm not there, but I take your point on the point of exhaustion in classical art. The fact that he commented very little on his work, though, makes me hesitant to accept these essentially unfounded and subjective readings of his work. I do find the ordinary fascinating which is the value I do see in Warhol's work, but elevating the ordinary, visually, takes the intimacy out of a daily ordinary that everyone experiences. EsPECIALLY in contemporary culture wherein every person with a smartphone and Instagram account is a "visual artist" bc they know how to work an editing app. In my opinion...
I'm not a big fan of "art", but I really like this. "It makes you feel good and empty", as said by Andy Warhol. This strange repetitiveness makes you feel good.
As an artist I think these guys are over thinking it. Sometimes it's fun just to put together a bunch of sit and watch everybody gawk at it like it's a masterpiece and try to put so much meaning into it when it really means nothing at all.
Preach, I love u so much
Then there’s the meaning in your art: that art can be meaningless. And thus you have made something that is not meaningless. It’s a catch-22. Art that someone made cannot be be meaningless.
"art says nothing about the artist, only the beholder" - Oscar Wilde
Who decides it means nothing?
I think his whole point of making it was something as meaningless as a soup can, can still be something people marvel at or inspired by. Even though it is mundane, I would not be watching this video if this collection wasn’t part of my research for a current project. Hence, inspired 😊
Andy said, "if you 'get' my art you don't get it and if you don't you do."
“Don't think about making art, just get it done. Let everyone else decide if it's good or bad, whether they love it or hate it. While they are deciding, make even more art.”
people sitting around intellectualizing stills of soup cans.
022171 Art is wild my dude.
Pop Art is about simple consumerist icons that we live amongst in our daily lives but pay no attention to the importance behind the objects. I suppose none of you like the work of Lichtenstein either?
It would be a sad world if the only "good" art in the world was a landscape painting of the countryside.
I see a lot of people hating this series. Like... why? Because it's not Da Vinci or Michaelangelo? Because it's not a pretty field with bright happy colours? Because it's not art? Why? Why is it not art? Wasn't art suppost to be a thing that bringa forth emotions? Well, if it is, then this is art. It doesn't necessarily bring forth the positive ones, but Andy knew it. That's why he made this. Same with Duchamp's urinal.
It's a can of soup. Warhol tried to be deep and make a statement and ended becoming a pretentious parody of himself. He's a hack who got lucky.
As an artist myself, I can tell you this: Artists create things that they want to create and only when asked of them what is the meaning behind their piece do they answer with a deeper meaning that is normally bullshit.
speak for yourself!
I like Khan Acdmy.. But this is the most exaggerated, pretentious discussion. Interpreting anything that Warhol did as greatness. This painting is 100% about the artist and not about the art at all. Changing how you look at something isn't art. This happens everyday. If that was the reasoning, then lets put any everyday photo or object in a gallery(& this happens). When nothing can't be art, then nothing can really be art. What is and isn't art is completely meaningless. Let's just stop using the word.
It is pretension, but Warhol never talked this way, though. He never pretended to be great, he knew as a painter he wasn't as good as many others. It is true, it was all about him, because artists of all sorts need to get initial attention to get their pass into the industry. Then they can be more free. Like the Beatles starting out covering American r&b music and boy band pop to get in the door. After this project he was mainly painting pictures with some graphic screening over it, what he liked to do. He did know how to sustain business by regularly interspersing these kind of well thought out "jokes" which brought him "up to date" with the art industry. Him and his team were also super productive, because he knew (like baseball averages) that you will only hit 2 to 4 out of every 10, so he did make a lot of crap, but was more honest about this part. Kind of rambling, thanks if you're reading wink ,< < :)
Good point. Warhol's true work of "art" was his own legend, publicity, and media manipulation. (The screen prints was just a way to buy a piece of the glamour. )
Andy Warhol's work was satirizing popular art. You have artists who are literally selling their artwork; marketing it to galleries and rich snobs who will buy it for lots of money. He was mocking that. Art isn't about marketing your work and making money, its about creation and the ideas that spring forth from them. This idea seemed to be lost by many people.
This video is bad, it tries too hard. Yes there are multiple interpretations, but that doesnt mean some dont make more sense than others.
Zyphet lost on quite a few who unfortunately run museums and galleries.
"You have artists who are literally selling their artwork... and rich snobs who will buy it for lots of money." Ah if you took an art history class you would realize that this has been going on since the Renaissance era.
If you think he was trying to make a critical statement by painting those cans, consider this: Andy Warhol got one of his filmmakers to film him eating a cheeseburger while taking pauses to smirk and dab his face with his napkin... for nearly five minutes.
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It was for a foreign film called Scenes of America or something like that.
This is such a fantastic and enlightening discussion on the motives and intentions of Warhol. You've really helped me gain a more concise understanding and foundation to build upon when further viewing his works, thank you!
my art teacher making me sit around and watch a can of soup, and write 5 facts about it. Imma write it on a napkin...
Not all opinions are equally valuable. Pretentious, while being an overused word, is exactly the word needed to describe people who find this "art" worthy of this much attention.
Now you're an artist, because your art made me feel humorous joy. Humorous joy is a type of emotion right?
Ten years ago, I took a page out of Andy Warhol's series of Campbell's Soup Can paintings and did paintings of soda cans in my painting class at an art studio that used to be in the town I currently live in (I live in Medina, NY - I used to live in Albion, NY). There was Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Sun Drop (a soda that's not too common in WNY), A&W Root Beer, Dr. Pepper, and, for you fans of Futurama, a Slurm can (it's highly addictive!). I guess you guys could call it "Soda pop art".
I'm pretty sure it's art cause he painted what he loved. It's as simple as that. There is no deeper meaning.
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Sorry, Im from the group that thinks Warhol is shit,
1 name for that Robert Hughes
The reason it is iconic and important and it is considered Art is, Andy used a medium for Mass Production, Silk Screen Printing, to produce prints of mass produced consumer products, and No one had ever done that.
bet campbell's didn't complain. prob paid him too
andy warhol was one massive troll who tricked the whole world into talking about cans of soup for probably hundreds of years to come and to be taught at schools and lecture halls because he was an artist and art is profoundly indecisive and compulsive, it doesn't know what it wants, but it knows it wants it now
A genius troll whom wasted his talent, on very subjective artistic expression. Minus making Uber- consumeristic values seem overtly repetitive\mechanical\pointless philosophically. Wether he intended to , or not, it is only good he accomplished. He glamorized triviality, Too obviously (Esp in a non\pre-yuppie era). The question is, what were his true intentions or cultural goals?
Art is interesting, because you can peek into how others view the world. Art is more interesting if you're interested in others.
Its art because it brought modern art back into the scene after abstract art. Abstract art was the rage..... then BAM !!! ANdy says welcome to POP
abstract art is modern art.
I think that both voices complete encapsulates the work of andy, but not in a….🤔 that makes me roll my eyes. Well done.
From my point of view, this is art in the sense that it makes me laugh. It's like visual comedy and sarcasm. What makes it most interesting is that one does not know what to think of it: is it a serious work or is the author just trying to make fun of how seriously artists take themselves?
If you scratch a little deeper, Warhol is also making a very witty comment about the genre of Still Life for a modern industrial world.
art is what ever you perceive as art...
I am writing about Andy Warhol in one of my chapters of my Fine Art dissertation, After dismissing him for years as POP, I am absolutely blown away by his work. You just wouldn't realise that most of his work is about death , especially relating to the mass consumerism, celebrity and media control. Totally mind blowing and clever beyond clever.
It tells us a lot about society
"The invariable mark of wisdom is to see the miraculous in the common."
- - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Not by adoring stupid idiotic things.
I like how there is only 301 views (so far) and yet there are 71 comments. That says something.
The same reason why pie, mustaches, and nutella are so popular even though they're not that great.
Whyyy is this art?
That is a good question! Lol. :p
U M A M I has, through his own art, created an expanded view on the concept of the value presented by soup. Warhol chose to focus on the commercial nature of mass production and the concept that even the most mundane can be celebrated as art, but he missed an opportunity to truly define the existential meaning of soup (or any lasting legacy for humanity for that matter.) U M A M I ‘s videos “the end of an era” and “the cycle of life,” showcase U M A M I ‘s view of the existential meaning of soup quite nicely, albeit in a dark comedic way. Both videos can be found here on UA-cam.
half the people on these comments didn't even listen to the discussion in the video
I am really grateful that my parents are paying for my higher education in order for me to sit around listening to two goobers talking about a can of soup.
Holy crap, did not notice that xD
Sal, you ask all the right questions man. Love it.
Everything is a test. While I may rely on art critics to give me historic significance for whatever swirls of paint I'm looking at on a wall, I'm my own judge as to what constitutes art. As they say, "I know it when I see it." Just because critics lent some con-artist credibility 40 years ago doesn't mean I have to make the same mistake. Warhol's real art was pulling the wool over the eyes of his contemporaries. In that *was* an artist. Back-story is a commodity. Warhol saw that and sold it.
Campbell's soup was available in the 1800s. So he was not portraying the now as much as he was saying "what is art?" You should have the explored that context more. Jackson Pollacks "drip" paintings. Roy Lichtenstein "comics" paintings. Jasper Johns "American flag" paintings. All these artists were saying that art is not just a painting of a naked woman on a canvas. You mentioned the Sistine chapel which portrays art as super expensive only to be viewed by the pope. Art was elitist. Andy and pop art brought art to the masses. Art could be a can of soup. A bottle of coke. An experience that could be shared universally - by the pope and by a 6th grade student in the usa and by a woman wearing a sari in india.
You don't have to like ALL art, but art is essential in a civilised & beautiful society.
Art is music too, but you don't have to like every genre.
So pick & choose, but please don't despise ALL art.
Andy Warhol is both a wise man, and a wise guy
Many people take art too seriously, they think that the subject of any given piece of art has to be something inspired. They also worry about how technically challenging a piece of art was to create. Enjoy a piece of art for what it is, not what you expect it to be.
I like soup. Thank you Andy Warhol.
i think the love for the detail, that warhol put in it, stands against the perfectionism of industrial manufacturing.
Warhol was an art *commentator* showing the rest of the world how gullible and frivolous the world of art critique had become. He enjoyed toying with the mystique of art criticism and the borrowed credibility he found bestowed upon him by so-called 'experts'. His real art was pulling the wool over the eyes of 'the art world'. The masses smirk, remaining unconvinced that he produced real art. Art critics continue the myth because it would be inconvenient to devalue his junk today. Brilliant.
Are you joking or do you legitimately believe that? Irving Blum, an art dealer and gallery owner, visited Warhol at his studio after he was featured for something else in a Time article. While at the studio he saw all of the Cambell's paintings and was amazed that he had not had his own exhibit yet. He then offered to set him up with his own show, after which he bought all 32 of the paintings. It wasn't just some silly mistake.
Art is always literally something else. A painting is a dried oil or water based paste smeared on a wooden board or stretched out cotton cloth on a frame. "This is not a pipe" has just as much truth as "This is piss in a bottle". The question is, are those statements true or false?
This video is not necessarily referring to Andy Warhol and his style but more so about the statement he was making in defiance of mass production which society and industries were evolving into in the late 1800s by early 1900s.
Art is what artists make. Let’s make it simple. You can discuss it until you’re blue in the face. It won’t change a thing. You can give your opinion about whether YOU THINK the project was worth doing. Whether Warhol’s aesthetic holds up. Whether you like it or not. But this doesn’t change the fact that Andy chose to paint these pictures. Would I pay skate-eight zillion dollars for one? No way. I’d paint one myself.
Warhol introduced the possibility for cheap art for everyone. No need to pay 5.2 million for a picture on your wall. You can have have something every bit as good for pennies. The silkscreens are hand made. Each one is unique due to variations in the inking process etc. Each one slightly different. I digitally printed “Marilyns” on canvas to original dimensions, and my friends has “Warhols” over their bed for free.
If you really take a look at culture, pop or otherwise, how people decorate their lives with aesthetic objects and images, -today-look at the kind of art that gets made, how it gets made, certainly anyone can see that Andy Warhol was a turning point. His work keeps looking better and better, especially if you see the real thing in person.
He sure was dedicated to his craft and making moola. Thumbs up to him
Art is easy to define anything that evokes emotion from the individual. If you hate it, its art if you love it its art. If you have no feeling toward it then its nothing... The medium dose not matter the emotion dose.
I personally think he was exploiting the fact that a lot of people will buy into anything as art, it's like showing your nan a really bad picture and her telling you it's great even though you know it's terrible.
Andy should have sued Campbell's for selling Imitation Warhol's
Because before andy they didn't have a world of advertising color and americana. Warhol captures the Americana experience and changed america
Why do people unnecessarily make everything so complicated. These guys sound like my Literature teachers.
Reminds me of idiocracy where everybody thought the main character was a douchebag because of the way he was talking and he was just talking normally. If you don't follow, I really hope you are being sarcastic and the people who thumbed you up get the joke.
You can't spell fart without art.
If Warhol was trying to sincerely express the ideas discussed in this video, you write an essay about it not have the message lost in this "art" that fails in communicating such ideas.
It accidentally showed up in some art show ... the people of art were too stubborn to realize their mistake, so they called it art.
Scotty Catman That’s not true at all
Not particularly. Some unusual things are downright disturbing. Its not that uniqueness is beautiful, but that hard work and inspiration leads to beautiful things that happen to be unique. I can see none of these things in Warhol's work here. What is it that you see?
Lol some artists have gotten away with some pretty mundane /weird/or just down right stupid things in the name of art.
inconceivabledark And what, pray tell, is the name of art?
I LOVE CAMPBELL'S SOUP!
This is post modern art as a counter reaction to *modern* art. It was almost a protest to the disconnection masters like Picasso and Dali created between the artist to the audience. Basically, post modernism is a reaction to snobbery.
It is interesting they brought up the industrial transformance of society, but his point concerning mass production is (imo) wrong. Warhol didn't view it as an absence of individual features in this era, he saw the small often overlooked flaws and unique features of even massproduced things, wich made them unique. Imo he wanted to show this, not just turn bleak stuff into art
HE LITERALLY PAINTED SOUP CANS TO SEE IF HE COULD GET ADVERTS IN AN ART MUSEUM. And look at him now... He used to be an Artist in the 1950s but as soon as the 60s hit. He got bored of the strict rules in art so he made the soup cans.
That was a fascinating discussion. Khan would make a great host on a show that would be his version of Charlie Rose.
You could go this in depth about a haystack or a recycle bin, drawing all sorts of pithy conclusions. But why is this GOOD if no one looks at it and thinks, "Hey, this is good?" If even the people who like it have to be taught why, it probably isn't very good.
You're right, I apologise. I don't hate all art, I think I was just being provocative.
Art? woaw! :)
How can i look for more videos like this from kahn academy !???
I read that Warhol painted Campbell soup cans because he hated them. His family was poor and he drank Campbell soups repeatedly
The thing with anime is that a lot of true artists hate it because you get so many teenagers that think they're artists because they can draw anime characters, when technically it's an incredibly easy style. Personally I prefer to see anime as a medium of expression and story-telling for those with less artistic ability, time or resources, which is an art just like hip-hop is a genre of music.
stop looking at art in a visually technical manner. The artist in animes are not so much the drawers but the story writers. Not all art is painting/drawing and not all paintings have to be technically hard to be considered art.
Art is like agreeing or disagreeing with people's worldviews, which are varied and multi-dimensional.
So you can say, "I like this, it's very repetitive". But you can also say, "I don't like this, it's too repetitive". It all depends on your view.
The more art I see, the more I think that art is all a big inside joke that I'm just not privy to.
You just made another piece of art.
I always thought it was symbolic of lazy. This is art as Campbell Soup is to homemade cooking.
(cont'd) most of the modern art serves no purpose other than to say "I laugh in the face of all classical techniques and show you that I can make art out of anything, look at me."
Art should have a purpose.
Shakaama Incorrect and ignorant
I like your point of view, though I believe there could be many interpretations of those images, and also we cannot tell what Warhol was thinking . We can only think by ourselfes.
At Tate Modern there was a piece where it was a square of plain canvas with a cut in the middle... And that's modern art? Tate Modern had to be one of the most boring places that I've ever been... There was only one exhibit (of a model bridge) which was interesting. I just see a picture of flavours of soup. I worry when people say they see more.
It is not art because what he did was took someone else's art and just did it on a different surface and tried to pass it off as his own and as art. It's not. Even when you look at his Marilyn Monroe's all he did was take a photograph and basically flipped the Spectrum on it and use neons same as with his comic art it's not really art and he didn't do a whole lot of her original stuff he used other people's ideas and other people's art and just put his touch on it and tried to pass it off as such. I think he's one of most overrated people of all time. And one of the biggest problems you'll run into is during Andy's time was basically the birth of the hipster and so many people wanted to be part of that crowd so they endeared him and made him into something that he shouldn't have been along with a lot of the people in his click. And if you were to say something against their art or their seen or their click or their opinion you are on the outside this took place long enough that people accepted it as truth and now if you try to say all while he's overrated along with most of the people he hung out with you get looked at like you know you got a horn growing out of your head. But if you step back and just look at it as in imagine if somebody else right now this very second try to pass off what he did as art right now they get laughed at.
I think art perception it's subjective and it's up to the one who looks at a painting/listens to music/etc. to decide if something is art or not.
Lunch-tray on Saturday XD
It may not be art, but it is some damn good fine design
Ana Luiza Brown It’s both
Wow, its really nice to see how no one in the comments is fooled by warhol's ruse.
If you have to explain art, doesn't that not make it art since it's supposed to be provoking on its own
gromann Ever notice how alongside paintings in galleries these days there is a typed card next to it explaining what you're looking at? (If a painting can't communicate on it's own, what good is it?)
So, who was the sponsor of this video?
Then yes it is I told you the medium is meaningless emotion is what count.. Made you hate that's a powerful emotional response.. And yes the written word has always been art
Did he do that intentionally? If yes, he's a troll, if yes, he claims that he's also an artist, which in fact makes sense. Art should be about intentionally eliciting as much emotion as possible. But where does that stop? I think a comedians are artists, but I don't think that trolls are. Also, I don't think he was trolling you, but I think that art is not easy to define, sinply because calling trolls artists would give them WAY too much firepower.
Guys! Do you know why Warhol painted this? He just liked Campell's soup. Quite reading so much into it.
"art" is entirely what the artist intended. I get it.
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fine art
wait, no, I am supposed to look at soup cans from a different perspective
btw, I stopped buying soups from campbell because of Andy Warhol, my visual art teacher from high school shoved Warhol down our throat, art teacher ruined it.
This is hipster shit. Warhol art is bs. He banked on people like these people speaking.
+Piddy PP bingo! :-) Here's a quote from Andy Warhol's diary from May 2, 1985. He's talking about Bianca Jagger (Mick Jagger's wife): "And Bianca was driving me crazy, saying how she’s researching my days in Pittsburgh for her book on Great Men, and she went on and on about how I broke the system, broke the system, broke the system, and I felt like saying, “Look, Bianca, I’m just here. I’m just a working person. How did I break the system?” God, she’s dumb."
There you go. :-)
Your 3rd sentence is important. Think about it for a while.
hotfreak Which sentence? Does "bingo!" count as a sentence? I want to make sure I'm picking up on the exact nature of your cryptic attempt to insult me.
This is "art" because someone stupid had bunch of money (probably won lottery or got from his parents) was stupid enough to pay for this utter BS. That's the only WHY this is art. Period! Quit fooling us.
bone up on the history before offering your silly interpretation. or just bone up. don't do what I say.
Modern art = more about ideas and conveying concepts as opposed to showing off great technique
...got it.
Now I know math AND artsy!
7 years have passed, did you manage to sell anything?