This is the biggest project we've done so far on this channel, so all the support in sharing it across social media would be so appreciated! How do you all think the final composite turned out? Make sure to check the description for details on the GoFundMe to help the restoration of a Lancaster Bomber. Thanks again for the support, love to each and every one of you Humans!
Love this. The aerial shot sells VERY well. I mean REAL. But, there's something off about the aircraft for me. I think it's the straight path(s) they are taking - without any sort of yawing - that is amplified with them traveling exactly parallel to the vertical of the physical screen space. Regarding flight characteristics though - aircraft tend to pivot out about the center point of the wings during flight (when viewed from top-down) and seldom is the tail in true parallel with the flight path - it sort of trails behind correcting for windage... the craft is almost always yawed out of the direction of travel. You said this is a work in progress. So, hopefully this doesn't hit too hard. They feel sorta... dead. After noticing how straight/in-line the tail was - I then notice that the FLAPS /AELORONS/RUDDERS/ELEVATORS aren't moving AT ALL as they fly. The pilot would (likely) constantly make adjustments to keep his trajectory while correcting for turbulence, the moving parts would obviously move, and the craft would be reacting directly and proportionally to those movements... all the craft seem far too stable in flight. The next thing that sticks out for me was that the engines aren't exhausting any smoke... IF visible to the camera it would seem to travel out of the nacelles/exhaust aft-ward at the speed the craft is flying. I have never flown over one of these and watched to see if I would be able to see it that near to the craft in real life or under these specific conditions. But for some reason, my brain expects to see it there... traveling out of the nacelles aft-ward and basically at the speed they are flying. I really feel that smoke flying out of the nacelles at super high speed would go a long way to sell that they are actually traveling... and fast. And, I'm no expert on these craft - but I would also assume that the engine/exhaust would create some trailing heat distortion. And yes, I agree that some research on formations and bombing techniques would also help sell the shot. Again, I hope this doesn't come off as unappreciative of the work you have put into it. I don't want to pretend that I could pull off half of what you have accomplished here! I wish you all the best and hope you can take this as constructive criticism - hoping the best for all your endeavors. Thank you for sharing all of it with us!
The shot looks great, What I think throws things off a bit is that the formations feel to perfect and the speed of things feel too lock and step there should be more imperfections. Also more haze, the planes seem way to bright based upon the lighting in the scene they should be almost silhouettes with just blue moonlight. The planes seem to be moving extremely slow down below based upon their scale to the larger planes colder to camera.
Only movies I've ever watched 4 times over at the theater were Star Wars ( Original ) and Top Gun ( Original ) , Thanks to your videos on this INCREDIBLE project I'm learning so much as to what makes a motion picture look so realistic . Thank you for showing your craft , and your passion for this particular project . Ontario Canada .
I can almost forget it's a miniature shot. Gonna try and get my brother interested in this kinda stuff. He's done a lot of stop motion stuff over the years so it's right up his alley
I've been trying to figure out what it is about the planes in the final composite that looks "off" and after running some numbers the problem is clear. The Lancaster is 21m in length from nose to tail. It has a flight speed anywhere from it's stall speed of 153km/h to its maximum speed of 454km/h; with cruise around 320km/h. The stall speed of 153km/h divides down to 1.7m per frame at a framerate of 24 FPS. Cruise speed is 320km/h divides down to 3.7m per frame; and the max speed divides down to 5.2m per frame. These numbers mean that the end of a plane's tail should be where the tip of its nose was anywhere from 4 frames to 12 frames later. The large plane that flies through the middle of the shot covers the distance in 9 frames, well within the acceptable flight speed range. But the smaller planes that first appear on the right take 20 frames to travel their own length. Those planes would be falling out of the sky if they were travelling that slow.
So cool! I think you should take the Time and animate each planes flightpath individually - every Pilot had to react individually (over a firestorm). A Little more Chaos among the planes, Little „sidedrifting“ of on of the bombers, slightly different speeds and this thing is a masterpiece!!!
That's one thing that REALLY irritated me about the scene in "Star Wars" wherein Darth Vader and his two wingmen are pursuing Luke through the Death Star trench; the entire landscape is rotating around them, yet the three ships are perfectly stationary relative to each other.
My Fathers' bomb load on that night - Feb 13th, 1945. Dresden. Bomb load : 1 x 4000 HC, 10 x Cp. No.14, 2 x 60 4lb. Inc. "Bombed at 01:30:30 from 20,000 feet on estimated centre of red TI's amongst fires. Bombing was excellent. One very large explosion at 01:37 hours. Smoke up to 11/12,000 feet." 9 hrs, 35 min flight. (from - Operations Record Book) "The squadron was stood up and 15 aircraft detailed to take part in an attack on Dresden. Take-off was just after 21:00 hours in conditions of good visibility. The route was mainly clear until at 2° E when 10/10 cloud was met with base 15,000 feet and this persisted until the target area. The route homeward was made under similar conditions but the cloud dispersed at 3°E and all aircraft landed safely at base with the exception of "K" flown by F/O Parker, who landed at Foulsham owing to shortage of petrol. PFF marking was punctual and concentrated, and the master bomber had the attack well under control. Ground defences were nil and no fighters were encountered. Crews reported that as the attack developed large fires were burning in the city and smoke was rising to 10,000 feet, and report that glow of fires could be seen for 45 minutes after leaving." Definitely NO formation flying!
Love to see masters at their craft! The family history is great too. We have a grandfather who worked on planes in the Pacific. It's an honor to tell their stories.
Just a little input. The smoke would be darkest near the source. A nice ramp on the smoke plume would really put this thing into reality. Keep up the killer work!!!
I wouldn't say they are obsolete. There is and probably always be a market for the big studios. That all of this is possible on a small scale, doesn't mean it is the only or even the best way to do it. It's like saying the Arri Alexa is obsolete, because we have the Black Magic Cinema Cameras now.
About the search lights. Your wrong about, that it was not posible to see them. The crews of the lancasters where fully able to see them, even count the numbers of them. On a original recording made during an air raid, you can hear the crew talking about them. The search lights where however situated around the town as the flak, not in the town. What you miss is the black puffs from the flak in the air. The flak over Dresden was so dense you cut walk on it, arcording to the bomber crews.
Fascinating. JUst goes to show how technology has moved on. Back in the late 80s i was working in sound at the BBC, and on a training course for the then cutting edge AMS Audiofile hard disk sound editing platform. As part of the training, we were given a stock silent shot of an aerial bombardment, and a bunch of explosions, etc. to comp in to learn how to spot effects, etc. What was interesting, was how our initial attempt to spot every visual element with a sound effect didn't work, as the system simply wasn't powerful enough (insufficient tracks, basically). This turned out to be a deliberate part of the exercise to see what we would do with these limitations. Me and my mate on the course, found that using an overall background effect of a battle with just a few spot effects worked much better, and the impressionistic effect came out great, without running out of Audiofile resources. Looking at this, 30 years later, it is quite astonishing to see how far the power of the technology has moved on. From a system that struggled with playing back more than a dozen or so audio tracks, to this, which, apart from the practical scale, is almost do-able at home with the sort of gear that many of us can afford. Great idea, and can't wait to see how this ties in with the short film. This has rapidly become one of my favourite YT channels. Keep up the great work, and fascinated to see what you do next.
Seriously, this inspires me to make films like this. The technical knowledge and techniques displayed here gives me no excuse to go out and make stunning images.
Knocked it out of the park with this one, Team! Brilliant to see the timelapse of JP's AE work...boy that looks involved! And good reminders of being aware of context of the content created...brilliant!
You had the Lancs flying in formation, that is immediately jarring to anybody familiar with the subject material. The RAF didn't do that at night for obvious safety reasons. The USAAF used formations during the day because the planes could see one another to formate on and needed each other for increased effect of defensive fire. Night raids relied on the darkness to cloak the planes and sheer numbers that no night fighter effort could stop.
The one thing you missed in the composite is the reflective nature of the river water. The river should be reflecting the fire like a mirror and its just black.
27:12 GORGEOUS SHOT!!! My eye immediately started following the planes! I've rewatched it several times to focus on the background and EVERYTHING works!!! Even knowing how it's created my suspension of belief is STILL sold! The scale, composite and sound is BEAUTIFUL!!! AMAZING WORK and INSPIRING!
I've watched both parts of this shoot video and I STILL struggle to remember that the city is just a b/w photocopy. Historically speaking I think your shoot is horrendously real. Well done!
It's amazing to see how someone can create such a beautiful shot with just simple things. When seeing a movie, a thought of costly "big" things always comes to my mind that was used in a scene. But here almost everything can be found in an average house ( except for the camera equipment ). Lovely!
The final shot is amazing though personally it feels like the close planes are too distracting. I found myself only focusing on those and completely missing the movement over the city and that the city is 'alive' which is the best part. I find that with just the lower flying planes it is less distracting but still drives home.
A little suggestion regarding art direction. How about letting the airplanes flying diagonally. I think that could be visually more appealing. Great shot.
Great episode. I just want to say that if you are lacking in electronics knowledge like me, you can probably use a leaf blower or other high powered fan to spin the propellers on most model/toy planes. Like a pinwheel, basically.
Thanks Daniel, glad you enjoyed it! And always great to hear tips from our subscirbers; there's plenty of ways to achieve certain aspects of all our shoots!
I think what it needs is a bomber booking by with an engine on fire, it was a very common occurrence especially when the flack started flying, and on that note flack bursts would be a good layer to add as well, along with tracers coming up from AA. Also something that WWII aircraft are known for is that the engines have a blue light that comes out of the exhaust since the pipes are so short, at night that has a slight glow to it, and often times this is how night engagements happened is that pilots would see each other's exhaust flame. Now mind you this was in the Pacific where there was far less light pollution (literally none) and thus it meant a pilots eyes that were night adjusted could see this blue plume from miles away. Overall very cool project.
as a motion gfx artist this is really inspiring. also depressing, this is the work we all like to do but often get bogged down in the less inspired jobs.
Well I'm glad we can help inspire! Stay positive, doing shoots like this has always been our goal, but it's taken us 8 years to get where we are doing this today. So keep believing in yourself and never give up on your dreams!
Amazing work guys! I can't believe how great that "final shot" looks. It's been fun watching it develop and you do such a great job of explaining exactly what you're doing and why.
Love seeing that you don’t need much stuff to make things look convincing. Though being two professionals at what you both do helps a lot! Keep up the good work.
This is actually incredible. Only thought is that the speed of the planes seems off to me in two ways, one is that the planes are a bit too slow, the other is that the planes that are further away move a little too slow in proportion to the speed of the ones that are closer, other than that it really looks like a blockbuster movie. Great work
I know this was difficult, but how much more difficult was this compared to it being all done in CGI? Was it more economical than CGI? Love watching :)
Awesome! Such nice results and the possibilities are so endless. I would love to see one plane crossing the camera very near with an awesome camera shake and the paralax movement to see the scale of the plane and the destroyed city. You guys are great!
The fire effects are really incredible...I'll be sure to share your channel on Facebook so other people can check out The Incredible work you guys are doing but also teaching us as lower-budget or aspiring filmmakers
This is more stunning work, gents! Your creativity, attention to detail, and willingness to share knowledge are inspiring. This channel can't blow up soon enough. May the algorithm be ever in you favor!
I just found your channel yesterday and subscribed. I'm a zero budget filmmaker, and even though I still don't have the resources you are using, It has triggered my mind into thinking of alternate ways of creating similar effects with what I have access to. Great channel! Thank you :)
My Dad flew on that Op.! My Fathers' bomb load on that night - Feb 13th, 1945. Dresden. Bomb load : 1 x 4000 HC, 10 x Cp. No.14, 2 x 60 4lb. Inc. "Bombed at 01:30:30 from 20,000 feet on estimated centre of red TI's amongst fires. Bombing was excellent. One very large explosion at 01:37 hours. Smoke up to 11/12,000 feet." 9 hrs, 35 min flight. (from - Operations Record Book) "The squadron was stood up and 15 aircraft detailed to take part in an attack on Dresden. Take-off was just after 21:00 hours in conditions of good visibility. The route was mainly clear until at 2° E when 10/10 cloud was met with base 15,000 feet and this persisted until the target area. The route homeward was made under similar conditions but the cloud dispersed at 3°E and all aircraft landed safely at base with the exception of "K" flown by F/O Parker, who landed at Foulsham owing to shortage of petrol. PFF marking was punctual and concentrated, and the master bomber had the attack well under control. Ground defences were nil and no fighters were encountered. Crews reported that as the attack developed large fires were burning in the city and smoke was rising to 10,000 feet, and report that glow of fires could be seen for 45 minutes after leaving." So - Definitely NO formation flying! Their squadron aircraft bombed from 15,000 - 20,000 feet, although there was a predetermined height from which the entire squadron was to bomb from... also the aircraft would be flying at slightly different speeds, and course headings....
Appreciate the cheesy pun! And nice to hear enjoyed the vid, so much goes in to producing these effects that we never want to cut any steps of the process out!
Wow amazing work guys thanks for sharing!!! Some things you could do to make it better is add cloud layers at different depths to make it more alive. You could also add light wrap on the planes to tie them more into the burning city underneath. But IT LOOKS JUST INCREDIBLE!!!
Looks great! Love the process and insight. The planes look a little stiff and perfectly aligned, I wonder what would be the fix for that. Perhaps some slight offsets in easing of deceleration/acceleration... some slight variance in scale between the planes that are close together... Difficult one...
This is absolutely great! Amazing to see practical effects like these nowadays! But if I could just do a little critic on the effect. I think the aircraft are going to fast. Like the pan of the camera implies that it is already moving at a really great speed (cause it's far) and with the parallax it makes the planes go really fast I find. But anyway it's great really! I love it!
Well done! A little bit of flickering in the fires would add even more realism. That could be done in AE by rapidly animating the opacity of layers of small patches over the fires.
Firstly, another great video. At the end, in your final comments, you said it could all be done cheaply, but with an expensive compositor. For those you don't have money for after effects, you can use Blender. Whilst maybe not quite as powerful as after effects, you can achieve some great results with the bonus it is FREE software.
Stunning. One thing I might humbly suggest is some atmospheric effects between the two scales of aircraft and the camera too. I.e. some mid/foreground smoke/clouds. Would give a greater sense of depth, I think. But a truly inspirational shot and incredibly generous to share your workflow.
This is the biggest project we've done so far on this channel, so all the support in sharing it across social media would be so appreciated! How do you all think the final composite turned out? Make sure to check the description for details on the GoFundMe to help the restoration of a Lancaster Bomber. Thanks again for the support, love to each and every one of you Humans!
Love this. The aerial shot sells VERY well. I mean REAL. But, there's something off about the aircraft for me. I think it's the straight path(s) they are taking - without any sort of yawing - that is amplified with them traveling exactly parallel to the vertical of the physical screen space. Regarding flight characteristics though - aircraft tend to pivot out about the center point of the wings during flight (when viewed from top-down) and seldom is the tail in true parallel with the flight path - it sort of trails behind correcting for windage... the craft is almost always yawed out of the direction of travel.
You said this is a work in progress. So, hopefully this doesn't hit too hard. They feel sorta... dead. After noticing how straight/in-line the tail was - I then notice that the FLAPS /AELORONS/RUDDERS/ELEVATORS aren't moving AT ALL as they fly. The pilot would (likely) constantly make adjustments to keep his trajectory while correcting for turbulence, the moving parts would obviously move, and the craft would be reacting directly and proportionally to those movements... all the craft seem far too stable in flight. The next thing that sticks out for me was that the engines aren't exhausting any smoke... IF visible to the camera it would seem to travel out of the nacelles/exhaust aft-ward at the speed the craft is flying. I have never flown over one of these and watched to see if I would be able to see it that near to the craft in real life or under these specific conditions. But for some reason, my brain expects to see it there... traveling out of the nacelles aft-ward and basically at the speed they are flying. I really feel that smoke flying out of the nacelles at super high speed would go a long way to sell that they are actually traveling... and fast. And, I'm no expert on these craft - but I would also assume that the engine/exhaust would create some trailing heat distortion. And yes, I agree that some research on formations and bombing techniques would also help sell the shot.
Again, I hope this doesn't come off as unappreciative of the work you have put into it. I don't want to pretend that I could pull off half of what you have accomplished here!
I wish you all the best and hope you can take this as constructive criticism - hoping the best for all your endeavors. Thank you for sharing all of it with us!
It's brilliant, could do with some more low-rumbling bass in the sound mix ...
@@LeekClock I think they hired someone who does all of that in post-prod and not here
@@secondarycontainment4727 Planes should vibrate the camera ever so slightly too.
The shot looks great, What I think throws things off a bit is that the formations feel to perfect and the speed of things feel too lock and step there should be more imperfections. Also more haze, the planes seem way to bright based upon the lighting in the scene they should be almost silhouettes with just blue moonlight. The planes seem to be moving extremely slow down below based upon their scale to the larger planes colder to camera.
the real magic here is that a man can look so much like Simon Pegg, Benedict Cumberbatch, and Michael Fassbender simultaneously
That's the benefit of doing multiple passes and then layering them in post.
real magic and a professional compositor
😂😂😂
@@iododendron3416 Now that was brilliant :D
Andrew: I think you left out the tracking pass of Jack Nicholson!
This opening shot just makes me want to see more!!!
Thanks Nigel, glad you liked it!
Same here
I know it's fiber fill and LEDs and miniatures but it just looks so very convincing! Amazing work!
Thanks so much, Kyle!
It looks amazing. And thank you for the detailed explaination on how this is done. It's awsome!
Only movies I've ever watched 4 times over at the theater were Star Wars ( Original ) and Top Gun ( Original ) , Thanks to your videos on this INCREDIBLE project I'm learning so much as to what makes a motion picture look so realistic . Thank you for showing your craft , and your passion for this particular project . Ontario Canada .
I can almost forget it's a miniature shot.
Gonna try and get my brother interested in this kinda stuff. He's done a lot of stop motion stuff over the years so it's right up his alley
Well it's great to see the effect worked! And yes please share, always great to know people are interested in practical filmmaking!
This one video (part 1 and 2) makes me want to have a lifelong carer in film. Like y'all are amazing and talented I wanna be like you one day!
Adam that’s so amazing to hear, so happy we’ve inspired you!
I've been trying to figure out what it is about the planes in the final composite that looks "off" and after running some numbers the problem is clear. The Lancaster is 21m in length from nose to tail. It has a flight speed anywhere from it's stall speed of 153km/h to its maximum speed of 454km/h; with cruise around 320km/h.
The stall speed of 153km/h divides down to 1.7m per frame at a framerate of 24 FPS.
Cruise speed is 320km/h divides down to 3.7m per frame; and the max speed divides down to 5.2m per frame.
These numbers mean that the end of a plane's tail should be where the tip of its nose was anywhere from 4 frames to 12 frames later.
The large plane that flies through the middle of the shot covers the distance in 9 frames, well within the acceptable flight speed range. But the smaller planes that first appear on the right take 20 frames to travel their own length. Those planes would be falling out of the sky if they were travelling that slow.
So cool! I think you should take the Time and animate each planes flightpath individually - every Pilot had to react individually (over a firestorm). A Little more Chaos among the planes, Little „sidedrifting“ of on of the bombers, slightly different speeds and this thing is a masterpiece!!!
So thats what looked off! I couldn’t quite put my finger on what looked wrong with the planes but you are totally right
That's one thing that REALLY irritated me about the scene in "Star Wars" wherein Darth Vader and his two wingmen are pursuing Luke through the Death Star trench; the entire landscape is rotating around them, yet the three ships are perfectly stationary relative to each other.
My Fathers' bomb load on that night - Feb 13th, 1945. Dresden. Bomb load : 1 x 4000 HC, 10 x Cp. No.14, 2 x 60 4lb. Inc.
"Bombed at 01:30:30 from 20,000 feet on estimated centre of red TI's amongst fires. Bombing was excellent. One very large explosion at 01:37 hours. Smoke up to 11/12,000 feet." 9 hrs, 35 min flight.
(from - Operations Record Book)
"The squadron was stood up and 15 aircraft detailed to take part in an attack on Dresden. Take-off was just after 21:00 hours in conditions of good visibility. The route was mainly clear until at 2° E when 10/10 cloud was met with base 15,000 feet and this persisted until the target area. The route homeward was made under similar conditions but the cloud dispersed at 3°E and all aircraft landed safely at base with the exception of "K" flown by F/O Parker, who landed at Foulsham owing to shortage of petrol. PFF marking was punctual and concentrated, and the master bomber had the attack well under control. Ground defences were nil and no fighters were encountered. Crews reported that as the attack developed large fires were burning in the city and smoke was rising to 10,000 feet, and report that glow of fires could be seen for 45 minutes after leaving."
Definitely NO formation flying!
Love to see masters at their craft! The family history is great too. We have a grandfather who worked on planes in the Pacific. It's an honor to tell their stories.
Just a little input. The smoke would be darkest near the source. A nice ramp on the smoke plume would really put this thing into reality. Keep up the killer work!!!
When a couple of guys on UA-cam are producing material head and shoulders above anything coming out of Hollywood.
Haha thank you for the support, really appreciated!
Great work guys. Looks stellar!
If Puma doesn’t sponsor JP after this episode then they need to sack their entire Marketing & PR department.
😂 what you guys don’t realise is that hat is part of him, it’s attached to his head!
The fact that i have to constantly check your page because UA-cam never recommends me your videos is proof that yt doesn't like high quality content.
Haha well thanks for keep coming back! Just by commenting you’ll help us get recommendation more so thank you!
Damn.... just one more instance that shows why the big studios are obsolete in the moden age. Superb & so inspirational!!
Thank you so much, great to hear you liked how it turned out!
@@InCameraTV Very much so - I'm working on a Warhammer 40k stop motion short & this has helped with visualisation for my aircraft scene.
I wouldn't say they are obsolete. There is and probably always be a market for the big studios. That all of this is possible on a small scale, doesn't mean it is the only or even the best way to do it.
It's like saying the Arri Alexa is obsolete, because we have the Black Magic Cinema Cameras now.
About the search lights. Your wrong about, that it was not posible to see them. The crews of the lancasters where fully able to see them, even count the numbers of them. On a original recording made during an air raid, you can hear the crew talking about them. The search lights where however situated around the town as the flak, not in the town. What you miss is the black puffs from the flak in the air. The flak over Dresden was so dense you cut walk on it, arcording to the bomber crews.
I had been a little worried about the fiberfill. But the subtly moving smoke element nailed the effect.
A stroke of genius from JP, he knew that smoke pellet would come in handy sooner rather than later!
Little fun fact:
We Germans say, when we see something chaotic or a big mess, that it looks like "Dresden 45"
It looks amazing guys!!!!
Thank you, glad you liked it!
Fascinating. JUst goes to show how technology has moved on. Back in the late 80s i was working in sound at the BBC, and on a training course for the then cutting edge AMS Audiofile hard disk sound editing platform. As part of the training, we were given a stock silent shot of an aerial bombardment, and a bunch of explosions, etc. to comp in to learn how to spot effects, etc. What was interesting, was how our initial attempt to spot every visual element with a sound effect didn't work, as the system simply wasn't powerful enough (insufficient tracks, basically). This turned out to be a deliberate part of the exercise to see what we would do with these limitations. Me and my mate on the course, found that using an overall background effect of a battle with just a few spot effects worked much better, and the impressionistic effect came out great, without running out of Audiofile resources.
Looking at this, 30 years later, it is quite astonishing to see how far the power of the technology has moved on. From a system that struggled with playing back more than a dozen or so audio tracks, to this, which, apart from the practical scale, is almost do-able at home with the sort of gear that many of us can afford.
Great idea, and can't wait to see how this ties in with the short film. This has rapidly become one of my favourite YT channels. Keep up the great work, and fascinated to see what you do next.
Wow that's an amazing little anecdote! Really happy you liked how our shot turned out!
Very nice one guys!
Seriously, this inspires me to make films like this. The technical knowledge and techniques displayed here gives me no excuse to go out and make stunning images.
Thank you so much, really appreciated!
My favorite small channel. Keep it up!!! 👏
Thanks Alice, really appreciate the support!
The host unironically makes a great WWII British airman, he has the look.
I got goosebumb.. Great job fellas
Knocked it out of the park with this one, Team! Brilliant to see the timelapse of JP's AE work...boy that looks involved!
And good reminders of being aware of context of the content created...brilliant!
Amazing video!!!
Thanks Luigi, glad you liked it!
My grandpa was a Lancaster pilot and this is just so cool to see. He was also apart of a Lancaster restoration.
Wow that’s so cool to hear! Really hope you like how it turned out!
@@InCameraTV Yeah this was a great watch honestly. Amazing job guys! 👍
You had the Lancs flying in formation, that is immediately jarring to anybody familiar with the subject material. The RAF didn't do that at night for obvious safety reasons. The USAAF used formations during the day because the planes could see one another to formate on and needed each other for increased effect of defensive fire. Night raids relied on the darkness to cloak the planes and sheer numbers that no night fighter effort could stop.
The one thing you missed in the composite is the reflective nature of the river water. The river should be reflecting the fire like a mirror and its just black.
This channel deserves SO much more support and love than they are getting rn.
Thank you! We're super happy with how it's going considering we only launched last year, but all the support and comments are so appreciated!
27:12 GORGEOUS SHOT!!!
My eye immediately started following the planes! I've rewatched it several times to focus on the background and EVERYTHING works!!!
Even knowing how it's created my suspension of belief is STILL sold!
The scale, composite and sound is BEAUTIFUL!!!
AMAZING WORK and INSPIRING!
It's incredible the amount of work that goes into a few seconds of film. The end result is fantastic!
Thank you! Always great to know the effort put in was worth it!
I think the most important question here is obvious… Where can I get One of those awesome inCamera T-shirts?
Haha, if the demand is there for them then maybe we'll start selling them sometime down the line 😅👀
I've watched both parts of this shoot video and I STILL struggle to remember that the city is just a b/w photocopy. Historically speaking I think your shoot is horrendously real. Well done!
Thanks so much Keith, it is still mind blowing to think that it's just paper!
im actually so happy this got recommended to me this is the coolest thing ive watched in so long you lot are amazing!
Glad to have you on board! Thank you so much!
Chocks away!!! Great stuff guys yet again, loved the final shot. xx
Thanks Dominic, glad you liked how the shot turned out!
Wow, it is amazing to see how a finished shot is produced from the start to finished and what goes into doing it. Amazing how realistic it look's
Thank you so much! No better feeling than seeing the process develop from start to finish!
It's amazing to see how someone can create such a beautiful shot with just simple things. When seeing a movie, a thought of costly "big" things always comes to my mind that was used in a scene. But here almost everything can be found in an average house ( except for the camera equipment ). Lovely!
Thank you! that's the magic of practical effects! Glad you liked the video!
Ahhhh this is amazing!!! The final shot gave me goosebumps, smashed it again guys! 🔥🔥🔥
Glad you liked it Jordan!
You guys have rapidly become one of my favourite channels, the final composite was absolutely incredible, amazing work yet again!
Thank you so much 😀
One of my new favorite channels
I recently bought and assembled a small model of an airplane, and I thought, "I can use it in a movie!" And then your video comes out. Cool)
Oh amazing!
The final shot is amazing though personally it feels like the close planes are too distracting. I found myself only focusing on those and completely missing the movement over the city and that the city is 'alive' which is the best part. I find that with just the lower flying planes it is less distracting but still drives home.
This gave me chills
A little suggestion regarding art direction. How about letting the airplanes flying diagonally. I think that could be visually more appealing. Great shot.
Beautiful process shot. True craftmanship here. Thanks for this.
I can't believe how great it came out looking! InCamera is the most inspirational channel I'm subscribed to, thank you for helping keep me going!
Wow thanks so much Taylor!
Great episode. I just want to say that if you are lacking in electronics knowledge like me, you can probably use a leaf blower or other high powered fan to spin the propellers on most model/toy planes. Like a pinwheel, basically.
Thanks Daniel, glad you enjoyed it! And always great to hear tips from our subscirbers; there's plenty of ways to achieve certain aspects of all our shoots!
I think what it needs is a bomber booking by with an engine on fire, it was a very common occurrence especially when the flack started flying, and on that note flack bursts would be a good layer to add as well, along with tracers coming up from AA.
Also something that WWII aircraft are known for is that the engines have a blue light that comes out of the exhaust since the pipes are so short, at night that has a slight glow to it, and often times this is how night engagements happened is that pilots would see each other's exhaust flame.
Now mind you this was in the Pacific where there was far less light pollution (literally none) and thus it meant a pilots eyes that were night adjusted could see this blue plume from miles away.
Overall very cool project.
Leather flying helmet suits you perfectly Tommy. Keep it!
The end result is stunning and the documentation / discussion of the journey to get there was absolutely first rate. Top job everyone!
Thanks so much Edward, really appreciated!
I know it was just paper and model planes but I felt the horror of that shot like it was real.
as a motion gfx artist this is really inspiring. also depressing, this is the work we all like to do but often get bogged down in the less inspired jobs.
Well I'm glad we can help inspire! Stay positive, doing shoots like this has always been our goal, but it's taken us 8 years to get where we are doing this today. So keep believing in yourself and never give up on your dreams!
@@InCameraTV you got it, I'll send my resume, or cv as you like to say :)
C Bu Maybe, but we all have to slog through the basic stuff, to learn our craft for the more interesting stuff!
Amazing work guys! I can't believe how great that "final shot" looks. It's been fun watching it develop and you do such a great job of explaining exactly what you're doing and why.
Thanks Nick, glad you liked it!
Love seeing that you don’t need much stuff to make things look convincing. Though being two professionals at what you both do helps a lot! Keep up the good work.
It's very inspiring. I'll have to try so motion control with miniatures for my projects. Thanks guys for the great videos.
This is actually incredible. Only thought is that the speed of the planes seems off to me in two ways, one is that the planes are a bit too slow, the other is that the planes that are further away move a little too slow in proportion to the speed of the ones that are closer, other than that it really looks like a blockbuster movie. Great work
The Star Wars reference was very nice.
Mate these bombers would be doing runs at about 4000-9000 feet, so the lighting from the explosions is perfectly realistic !!
Excellent to see it all come together so wonderfully! 👌
Thank you! 🙌
Your great fellas working for a great cause - thank you so much. Cdn Navy (Ret)
I keep scrolling down to the like button to see if I've already clicked it. Amazing!
Thank you Andreas!
THIS IS INCREDIBLE! you guys are so awesome and talented and I hope more people find this channel cause it really is great.
Thanks so much, Jack! Glad you liked the final result, and just you commenting on the video will help more people find it so thanks again!
Wonderfully made.. what effort!
Just stunning!
My compliments to everyone who was involved ! 👍☺️
Wow, thanks for the kind words!
The shots you guys got from this are gorgeous!
Thank you!
Very well done this looks very realistic
I know this was difficult, but how much more difficult was this compared to it being all done in CGI? Was it more economical than CGI? Love watching :)
Awesome! Such nice results and the possibilities are so endless. I would love to see one plane crossing the camera very near with an awesome camera shake and the paralax movement to see the scale of the plane and the destroyed city.
You guys are great!
Thanks Mike! It's definitely possible! We'll still be tweaking this for a while before the final shot for the film is done for sure
The fire effects are really incredible...I'll be sure to share your channel on Facebook so other people can check out The Incredible work you guys are doing but also teaching us as lower-budget or aspiring filmmakers
Really appreciate the kind words and thank you so much for sharing, it'll help the channel out loads!
Love it!! Absolutely spot on guys! The fact you have use practical effects adds an extra level of dimension to the shot.
Thanks so much, glad you like how the shot turned out!
You are all absolutely amazing!
Thank you!
This is more stunning work, gents! Your creativity, attention to detail, and willingness to share knowledge are inspiring. This channel can't blow up soon enough. May the algorithm be ever in you favor!
Thank you so much Eric, really appreciate the support!
I just found your channel yesterday and subscribed. I'm a zero budget filmmaker, and even though I still don't have the resources you are using, It has triggered my mind into thinking of alternate ways of creating similar effects with what I have access to. Great channel! Thank you :)
Amazing work, loved it - one small point is that the aircraft would not have been in formation.
You're my absolute favourite youtube channel!
That means the world max, thank you so much!
Great channel. You guys are great together and your work is fun and educational. Keep em coming!
Im so glad i found this channel
Glad to have you onboard!
Awesome! Thanks a lot for this great pile of extremely useful tips and techniques!
You’re welcome guys!
My Dad flew on that Op.!
My Fathers' bomb load on that night - Feb 13th, 1945. Dresden.
Bomb load : 1 x 4000 HC, 10 x Cp. No.14, 2 x 60 4lb. Inc.
"Bombed at 01:30:30 from 20,000 feet on estimated centre of red TI's amongst fires. Bombing was excellent. One very large explosion at 01:37 hours. Smoke up to 11/12,000 feet." 9 hrs, 35 min flight.
(from - Operations Record Book)
"The squadron was stood up and 15 aircraft detailed to take part in an attack on Dresden. Take-off was just after 21:00 hours in conditions of good visibility. The route was mainly clear until at 2° E when 10/10 cloud was met with base 15,000 feet and this persisted until the target area. The route homeward was made under similar conditions but the cloud dispersed at 3°E and all aircraft landed safely at base with the exception of "K" flown by F/O Parker, who landed at Foulsham owing to shortage of petrol. PFF marking was punctual and concentrated, and the master bomber had the attack well under control. Ground defences were nil and no fighters were encountered. Crews reported that as the attack developed large fires were burning in the city and smoke was rising to 10,000 feet, and report that glow of fires could be seen for 45 minutes after leaving."
So - Definitely NO formation flying! Their squadron aircraft bombed from 15,000 - 20,000 feet, although there was a predetermined height from which the entire squadron was to bomb from... also the aircraft would be flying at slightly different speeds, and course headings....
This is super!
When I opened thinking 30 mins would be a lot but it flew by quickly (pun intended)
Appreciate the cheesy pun! And nice to hear enjoyed the vid, so much goes in to producing these effects that we never want to cut any steps of the process out!
Thank you for that! Appreciate all the hard work. ✨
Wow! It's astonishing what miniatures can achieve... amazing work all around, guys!
Completely agreed, love love working with miniatures. Glad you liked the video!
Very well done!!!
Wow amazing work guys thanks for sharing!!! Some things you could do to make it better is add cloud layers at different depths to make it more alive. You could also add light wrap on the planes to tie them more into the burning city underneath. But IT LOOKS JUST INCREDIBLE!!!
Thanks for the tips, we'll definitely keep that in mind for the very final shot! Glad you liked the episode though!
Superbly made
Thank you! Hope you liked the video!
i love that stuff
WOW! This blows my mind you guys are so awesome!
Thank you so much!
Looks great! Love the process and insight. The planes look a little stiff and perfectly aligned, I wonder what would be the fix for that. Perhaps some slight offsets in easing of deceleration/acceleration... some slight variance in scale between the planes that are close together... Difficult one...
This is sooo cool you should try adding distant war siren sounds in the background
This is absolutely great! Amazing to see practical effects like these nowadays! But if I could just do a little critic on the effect. I think the aircraft are going to fast. Like the pan of the camera implies that it is already moving at a really great speed (cause it's far) and with the parallax it makes the planes go really fast I find. But anyway it's great really! I love it!
can't wait to see more!!
absolutely brilliant loved it, well done
Thank you!
Well done! A little bit of flickering in the fires would add even more realism. That could be done in AE by rapidly animating the opacity of layers of small patches over the fires.
man, this makes my brain gears turn! So cool to see what you guys do. Keep it up!
Thanks you, Tyler! Hope you liked how the final shot turned out!
Such an amazing shot and work, keep it up guys!
Glad you liked it!
This looks amazing! I'm from Dresden so it's really intresting to see the end result an know it's my hometown.
You Guys are legends.
Thank you! Hope you liked the video!
@@InCameraTV loved it😘
Firstly, another great video.
At the end, in your final comments, you said it could all be done cheaply, but with an expensive compositor. For those you don't have money for after effects, you can use Blender. Whilst maybe not quite as powerful as after effects, you can achieve some great results with the bonus it is FREE software.
Stunning. One thing I might humbly suggest is some atmospheric effects between the two scales of aircraft and the camera too. I.e. some mid/foreground smoke/clouds. Would give a greater sense of depth, I think. But a truly inspirational shot and incredibly generous to share your workflow.
Glad you liked the video! And yes, we'll definitely still be working on finalising this shot before the very final shot for the film.