Not to mention the basic fact that its a fan made homage to THE ORIGINAL art. Another example of a tone deaf celebritiy being overwhelmed by a problem that normal people would consider an honour.
Right?? Like. Idk if it feels worse to imagine that she actually considers this worse than the horrific, widespread issues she listed, or that she would potentially pretend this is so serious for some other motive. Both of those seem like such irresponsible uses of a platform.
@@inkasaraswati7625 i understand that she’s been facing a lot of scrutiny and racism from people, but targeting a fan work and fan account on your very public platform is not justified. if she wished to express anger towards the animosity she is facing, she shouldn’t do it so hastily and ill-prepared on her instagram.
What is her face even trying to say?!? It’s looks like a hundred yard expressionless blank stare. That conveys nothing of the story or character. THAT’S what she’s defending with her life??
The smirk in the edit is exponentially more communicative than the 1000 yard stare she had in the actual poster. That stare was so lifeless and blank, it's like she reached a perfect state of Zen, where she was communicating everything and nothing at the same time.
And just the HINT of her eye staring out? Soooo much more 'staring down the barrel of the camera at you' than a straight on, brightly lit double eyed stare. I liked that I had to look closer to see that her eye was still visible in the fan edit. Like, yes! The smirk makes you think she's thinking devious thoughts, the hat hides her eyes just enough that you might think she's not looking at you but then you catch that glimpse of her eye staring? Perfectly done.
literally what i was thinking. in the illustration you can tell she’s being told something, it makes you WANT to know. this movie poster doesn’t even seem like someone is telling her something, or even something interesting at all. they don’t even look like they’re actually in the same room. it doesn’t translate the message at all…
For real though. They were too afraid to sell the movie on the promise of its being characterful so they chickened out of obscuring celebrity faces even a little.
Right? Something about the original illustration hit hard with audiences. Even in the fan edit, her eye shows though very slightly, and it creates an allure in the viewer. I want to know what Cynthia is really thinking in the edit, whereas in the original...alright, I'll admit it, I hate long eye contact, so I'm barely going to glance at it before feeling like I'm imposing on the conversation. The entire show is about getting to know this character and her motivations, it's a good call to show those as hidden. The story isn't about talking with the audience, it's about Elphaba learning to embrace her inner strength no matter what anyone else thinks is proper.
Tbf I don't want to know what it feels like to be the lead in a movie but people are only talking about her for the first time in headlines because she's mad. Ariana is a massive star with alot of drama and I think it's getting to her a little bit but she's not processing it fairly
Literally, so I guess she thinks that Elphaba’s whole persona in the musical is erased and minimized because her eyes are also covered in the widely loved and known original poster for broadway ☠️
As a person of colour, this annoys me because she undermines the struggles of others. She thinks she's championing a cause but ironically she's whipped up a lynchmob against an innocent person.
Rich people of all kinds are still rich at the end of the day. Not that Cynthia doesn't face racism, but they escape a decent chunk of the oppression others in their community face, and end up with massive power over others, because they're rich. Like a lot of systemic racism is focused on keeping POC poor and targeting the already impoverished, so if you're rich that won't hit you. So richies don't end up facing enough hardship to have seen anything more hateful and offensive than literally an edit made in good faith, to make the poster resemble the original illustration.
It’s giving won an extended fight with the producers who actually wanted to pull the hat down in the photo and then a fan came along and proved she was wrong all along and now she is livid.
That’s my exact take on this. She probably threw a fit about how they needed to show her whole face and because someone actually made it and people liked it better she’s mad.
this! the fact her facial expression is nonexistent and Ariana, who is amazing at positioning her body in relation to a camera, doesn't have her hand in a place that really makes sense, leads me to believe that that wasn't meant to be the poster shot and she insisted. what's curious to me is that the official poster has a lot of basic editing mistakes especially with the lighting and shadows on Cynthia's face
Well then she would be justified in being upset. A black woman fought for herself in the industry and won and fans come and hype up what the producers wanted, who prove time and time again they do infact want to erase black faces. The fact that y'all are missing that nuance is literally what she was talking about. Could she have handled it better? Yes of course. However she is in the right here, especially if she did fight to have her full face on view. Even if the poster isn't giving what the other posters are giving. It's the battle to be seen on full display. No one complains like this when white and non black actors are fully seen on bad posters. They let the poster be bad and that's it.
Yes, and for the movie too! From what I’ve seen in the trailers/posters, the shade of green they picked is… a little off 😭 I guess the munchkins in oz don’t carry the proper shade for Elphaba lol
@@alyssestephens7726agreed-- the whole point of her being green is that it's shockingly unusual, but this movie keeps making her this sickly pale green like a sci-fi alien character. as if the brighter green isn't objectively more appealing??
Her reaction is the reason movie posters suck now. Actors demand to have their face on the posters and because the edit has her face covered, she sees it as her being told she’s not important enough to have her face on the poster. It’s an ego thing and she’s hardly the only celeb guilty of this
So here's the difference: she's not being erased because she is not in the poster. Her CHARACTER is in the poster. She shouldn't be seeing herself in the poster at all if she did her job correctly as an actress. Zendaya WAS being altered (ie: erased) because it was a photograph OF HER. Huge difference.
also... covering her eyes was made for a different purpose, not because we have an impossible beauty standard to have no eyes, or that her eyes were too ugly. they gave Zendaya a 12 year old body, when the original looked so beautiful and feminine, I don't know what they were trying to achieve. I know there's obsession with being skinny, but aren't women also photoshopped to have curvy hips and bigger boobs, and only the waist, arms and legs are made skinnier (which creates hips but with thigh gap). You can't tell me her hips looked fat instead of sexy 😂
The face Cynthia's making in that poster is the exact face I make when I drive 30 minutes to a restaurant just to find that it's closed, even though the facebook page AND google said it was open.
@@themysticwarriorgal9465As D'Angelo pointed out, Ariana's face is obscured on the original poster as well. But she was fine with that? People in a movie don't need to have their full face present on the movie poster. They're not being "erased" because of it.
What's funny to me is that this is the first time im seeing her. I didn't even know she was the lead. I had seen more of Ariana grande and Ethan slater in their roles than I had of her
she’s entitled to her feelings for sure, but “one of the most offensive things i’ve ever seen” is so crazy and out of touch 😭 like have you seen the state of twitter rn???
Not just twitter, its bad but she should take a look at /pol/, she'll probably melt reading the comments on there if she thinks a edited photo is "the most offensive thing"
That's how feelings work right. It blinds your language and so she's being hyperbolic about it. I think she just wanted people see her face on the cover so they know who's starring without reading movie info? I guess😅
@@Destinnies true but just being able to see her face doesn’t mean anyone’s gonna know who she is. I didn’t before this video and just looking at her eyes would not give me any clue to her identity 💀
@@acrollie Oh yeah absolutely 😭 I think she read too much into the fan-made poster 'cause she wanted to be perceived. That's the only big factor I can think to make her go off like that especially when she said "erase" as though they blocked her face (eyes) in a negative way💀
Exactly. This is suppose to be an adaption of the musical and the original marque for it communicates so much even though it's very simply drawn. Cynthia just staring blankly into the camera and acting like she is "communicating through her eyes." Guarantee that Never crossed her mind while shooting it.
@@katoe908 the fact that your costar who coincidentally is a hell of a lot more famous and well-known has her face way more covered than yours, and I don’t hear her bitching about it.
@@XVIXENN oh trust me she’ll find a way for herself to stay relevant long after this movie is over because remember one there’s a part two coming unless Samir happens and there isn’t a part two coming and two I highly doubt she’s done running her mouth. I highly doubt it.
"We communicate with our eyes," is interesting cause that's what the original musical poster is denying us, that's what makes it intriguing. Also yeah I agree what you say about the eyes.
literally. i think theres also something really interesting about how Glinda has her MOUTH covered and is facing sideways and how Elphaba has her EYES covered but is facing forward. It's a nice bit of mirroring.
@@tttgggccc Glinda's eyes are covered in the movie poster too, honestly. You can only see one and it's concealed by her eyelashes. Not getting a lot of expression there. It's just not a very good poster.
Conspiracy theory: I'd bet money that the movie poster designers started off with something that looked a lot like the edit, but Cynthia fought for the current version, and that's why she's so pissed off at everyone agreeing the edit is better.
@@triciad4100 Using TaylorTravis subreddit logic this is 100% true! The fact she made a stink about it and they had to change the entite marketing strategy is ridiculous 😱
What this tells me is she values having her entire face in the poster more than having an artistically interesting and well made, EFFECTIVE poster. I hear nothing else from her tweets
Artistic perspectives? Nah, just plaster my face everywhere, I wanna be hollywood famous now, not just broadway famous... It' so sad to me that acting has been detatched from being an Art form
Genuinely. She’s so worried about being “erased” as if her face isn’t shown in the actual movie. Like girl, that’s what CREDITS are for! You don’t NEED your entire face in the poster 😭😭
Same. She's made it all about her, not even about the CHARACTER she was playing. I was so confused about all this so came to D'Angelo to see if there was something I'm missing. I wasn't
She's entitled to her feelings, but... She took this so personally when it really wasn't about her at all. She's playing an iconic character from a musical with an iconic poster - the marketing team chose not to make a 1:1 recreation of that poster, so OF COURSE fans are going to make a fan edit of it.
I agree. I think if she were asked about and she gave her opinion, something like "I'm not a huge fan of the edit, but kudos to the talent of the person who made it" sure she may have gotten some backlash, but she has her own opinion and feelings without doing exactly what she did here
Even if she had just said “It makes me uncomfortable that you covered my eyes and made my lips bigger” I think that would have been fine. But the MOST offensive???? Definitely comes off privileged and dismissive. Also bordering on predatory given how it could affect the much smaller creator.
17:50 If ppl are bullying, threatening AND finding the address of the guy who shared the poster bc of this actress I think she needs to face some sort of legal consequence for it? Or at-least take some accountability for the threats this guy is getting. Either way something definitely needs to be done on the actress’s part to put a stop to it, bc she definitely should of known better then this. (This coming from someone who has no interest in the show if that matters)
It’s weird as a broadway star she’s so focused on the eyes communicating. No one can see your eyes on broadway unless they got GOOD seats. Your body language and voice tone is how you communicate (and exaggerated facial expressions, but that’s sometimes hard to see)
@@aethermca when im in a taking an interview seriously and not fucking with the interviewer competition but its ok because my opponent is robert pattison
I just realized that I thought she was scared or surprised in the original movie poster, I didn't even make the connection that in the other she is smirking so it should not be trying to show fear
@@prettyxbonez96 No, don’t you see! Psychopaths can’t be human! Just like people with NPD! Or sociopaths! Or autistics! They have no empathy!!! THEYRE EVIL!!!! (sarcasm)
It’s so funny to me that she said she’s communicating with her eyes.. while giving the most neutral expression I’ve ever seen in my life girl what are you trying to communicate
I love that she talks about communicating with her eyes, staring down the barrel of the camera blah blah blah, when in reality, she just gave us a dead stare 😂
In the broadway sphere, she is very much known as not an amazing person. A young bway fan asked if there was a way to get broadway tickets cheaper because she couldn't afford them, and Cynthia was like "sell the iPhone you are using to tweet at me" I just cant get over how she talked about black Americans too, she definitely has some closeted prejudice against them.
For someone who starred in The Colour Purple, it's pretty gross that she thinks this is the most offensive thing she's ever seen. The horrors that people go through on a daily basis clearly don't compare to wearing a hat with a low brim.
Also the “is your ***** green” joke came from the original broadway poster having graffiti on it written where Glenda is asking it so no one is referring to her body but referring to that old joke in the broadway community
And the fact that the admin of the Mexico fanpage is not even the person who did the edit 😭 I went back to tiktok and the og editor is a dude in his 20s/30s
They didn’t edit her face. They added red lipstick, pulled her hat down & moved Ari’s hand up to cover her face. But they didn’t alter Cynthia’s face. Her lips and nose are hers. She must know this project’s title, characters, story & songs already have a diehard fan base following. Allow a little leeway.
the lips are a little different, like the smile has been edited but the people making the original poster has put a look of work into the way it looks. like she said it was an homage not to be exact. even ari’s hand isn’t close enough to cynthia
@@purrrrrrrplethey literally never said they couldn't? They just pointed out there was one slight edit to the lips and pointed out the hand was only *slightly* in front of her face
@@dweebicusmaximus No, but Cynthia is attacking fans for making this completely innocuous fan edit, and THEY are defending Cynthia's positions with their line about "but the people making the original poster has put a look of work (lot of work) into the way it looks. like she said it was an homage not to be exact". If they're going to defend Cynthia's actions like that it is entirely fair to argue against those actions and their impact in response, which is all Purrrrrrrple did.
@@lilpetz500he was right about everything I’ve seen him say he’s a very intelligent young man I think it was his delivery that threw everyone off and clowned him for it, making them miss the point of what he says lmao
i feel so bad for the original poster and artist. Imagine just innocently posting a fan edit only for your home address to be released and having tons of fans at your throat
its disgusting people still go so far as to dox random people for something so innocent.... especially when the edit is in no way offensive and actually better than the current one and just an ode to the original .... its crazy and sad
Humanity will never most past mob mentality. Watch ape documentaries, they don’t change no matter how you dress them up or train them, they’ll still gang up on you and rip your arms off if they want.
Honestly I think Cynthia could’ve humored them a bit (not the green ***** comment maybe) & it would’ve been good PR😅 like repost with a “💚” & just keep going
Broadway stans know that Cynthia Erivo is both a once in a generation talent and totally insufferable. She once went off on a rant about how she’s too good to ever be part of an ensemble because she was FANCAST as a muse in a Hercules live action movie that doesn't exist.
it's funny because when Ariana was asked about Cynthia's reaction she was like "hehehhe I love her but" but we could tell she thinks Cynthia overreacted
They were paying homage to the original Wicked poster. It shows that people accepted her casting no differently than the various Broadway performances.
Yeah, and the book cover also originally covered half of the character’s face too. It was meant to create mystery, because that’s literally the point of the whole story: who is she really? Villain or no? This kind of makes me think she doesn’t understand the subtleties of the story she’s in, which is unfortunate.
@@miriam8376it was meant to create mystery but also to fit everyone who played the character, which is why most of the face was obscured or not too detailed, she just doesn’t want to be mysterious and she wants to claim the role loudly. I really don’t understand all this hate outta the blue
And those have nothing to do with each other. She's bringing up an actual issue only to attempt to tie it to a non offensive issue. If she was actually upset by the nasty comments, why not complain about them instead of a fan edit of a movie poster? This is just drama farming, ignoring actual issues unless they can be used to bring attention to nothing. She's got more power and influence than the artist does, she's abusing them using that power.
my biggest issue with this is when someone who is so high profile pulls the racism card when it's not justified it has the "boy who cried wolf" effect.... it makes people who are tired of hearing this kind of crap just walk away, roll their eyes, and ignore anyone who claims racism. Mislabeling things that are not racism as racism literally empowers racism.
@@ccofnw exactly thank you the fan edit was never meant to be racist. It was meant to be a loving tribute to the Broadway play which I don’t know if Cynthia realized it or not but if it weren’t for that, there wouldn’t be a movie being made in the first damn place never mind the fact Ariana Grande‘s face is a more edited than Cynthia is and I don’t see her complaining about it.
THIS^ Racism requires INTENT. Not a single person intended to hurt her or demean her with the poster edit. In FACT, it had NOTHING to do with her, it was the character. But she damn well made it about her and now has this poor kid getting death threats and people finding his address. I have decided not to see the movie unless she fixes this and apologizes to the kid who made the FAN poster.
@@randomlibra please don’t hate me for saying this, but I don’t see her apologizing because in her warped twisted little brain she did nothing wrong. And I’m with you. Whoever the person was who made the fan edit. They had no intention of being nasty and it had nothing to do with her and I feel bad for him.
What their poster is communicating is "look, we got famous people! you know their faces right??? Look at Ariana's iconic dimple!!! You care about this one way or another!"
Imagine if Arianna had the same reaction and refused to hold her hand up to whisper because it was "erasing her face" On god these narcissistic morons in Hollywood never cease to putrify the senses
I love that it’s so well known Ariana wants to be photographed on her dimple side and have her dimple seen that the dimple gets its own aside in your comment
Also, if it was anyone person in that role, their face would have been covered too. LIke we can all see it was the fan's intent to make it look like the muscial poster...it wasn't a "hey she's black, lets hide her."
@@FatemaDanyal exactly thank you but yet you’ve got God knows how many people in UA-cam comment sections and on TikTok screaming oh this is racist. This is racist. No, it’s not for the very valid and correct points that you just beautifully stated and by the way Ariana is not complaining and as you say she’s far more edited than Cynthia is.
i like you mentioning you being an illustration nerd! it totally jotted my memory of how when i subscribed to you, it was when you made primarily art content! You are an awesome writer, u are making some of the the best vids on youtube!!!! :)
Fun fact: Universal almost made a Wicked movie that would’ve been released in 2019, but shelved the idea in favor of making Cats because they believed Cats would be the more profitable movie musical…I’m pretty sure who ever made that decision was fired
@@phoenix5054 The problem with Cats is that it works a lot better on the stage - it is, when all is said and done, not much of a story and more of a musical performance. Wicked as a story also works on the screen and would have been the better choice.
It gives me the impression that it was her idea to pose that way and maybe was something she fought the creative team on. I can’t imagine why else she would care so much that the expression/pose was changed.
@@Sarah-sn8fj the sad part is you’re absolutely right that’s exactly what happened. They wanted to do the original poster, but she threw a hissy fit and then she got her way.
Such an outsized reaction to something as trivial as this poster, yet she had no sensitivity around the issue of millions of black Americans who objected to her being cast as Harriet Tubman, a singular, revered figure in the history of foundational Black Americans. Girl Bye!!!!!
Her version is the embodiment of “go on girl, give us nothing.” People don’t care about her lifeless eyes - they want Elphaba and proper respect of the source material. If she thinks she’s bigger than the Wicked Witch, she’ really is delusional.
The fact that every single person involved in the Broadway version who have already seen it has specifically said that this version is so respectful to the original (with these exact words) makes me think that they were required to say that and that it's not, in fact, respectful to the original!
She absolutely argued for putting her entire face on the poster and is now throwing a tantrum because no one cares about her thousand-yard stare on the poster.
Her response just makes her sound like a narcissist. "This poster is bad! Because you can't see my eyes! And I should be seen! Because I! Am! A! Star!" Poor sportsmanship on her part.
just to add some further context, the invasive question "is your pussy green" actually stems from graffiti someone did on the original wicked poster YEARS ago and has been a common joke within the wicked community since! not saying that cynthia has to be okay with that or find the joke funny at all, but it's definitely something that predates her role in the movie, like the poster, and is more tied to the show itself and not specifically cynthia.
And here i was, without that context, listening to the video and not watching it, so what i heard was: "Is your (pause)" Brain (trying to be helpful): fridge running " green?" And let me tell you, i was very confused for a moment
For me, it depends whether that was commented about her/on her posts or if she was just seeing it on the wider internet. Cos if it's the latter, then they're talking about Elphaba not Cynthia. Ofc if people are commenting it on her posts then that's gross and she should call it out
It's so bizarre that I completely forgot about this until reading your comment, but you're absolutely right this was a really common graffiti/meme in the fandom when I was a part of it!
what’s wild to me is there are SO MANY actually offensive edits of black women where their features are minimized and warped and removed. I’m sure there are ACTUAL offensive edits of that exact poster. this edit is so harmless! cynthia’s features were not minimized, westernized, or white-i-fied in any way. they managed to maintain her natural features and lip shape WITH the change in expression. I’m sure it was just a result of built up frustration on cynthia’s end (a lot of it called for!) but what a bummer :(
Right?! The first things I looked for were "did they change her lips, nose, or bone structure?" Nope. If her lips were shrunk in any way, it would have only been from changing her to smirking. Considering the og poster has very thin lips, it shows the person was just trying to translate the poster to real life, not make it an exact recreation.
So my feelings are such: Erivo is such an amazing talent but... I have read her comments about American born black people being less than, in our diction, or want of education and several other derogatory comments being that she is from over the pond and from Nigerian descent, I believe. She comes off as entitled and overall just not pleasant. Dont talk about shit you dont know about Ms. Erivo. Her comments were hurtful. Now, as far as the poster. I believe she is insecure, as most amazing artists are. So, she thought that the person that created a fan favorite poster, was trying to cut her face out of the poster. It really is not that at all. It is a different interpretation of of the "Wicked" poster. She needs to chill down. 🙄
for those not in the musical theatre community: Cynthia is the real life Rachel Berry and has been for years. she has had a twitter fight with almost everyone ever. she truly is the azalea banks of Broadway
The real life Rachel Berry is it. People keep saying "out of touch Hollywood star" and I'm like, oh no no, this is pure unadulterated theatre kid energy.
It sucks that she’s so talented and could be appreciated and loved for her skill but she’s chosen to act like this about a…fan edit? It’s not like the fan was selling posters, saying she was ugly, or saying she isn’t a good casting choice or something. Just truly shooting her career in the foot.
Beck is a phenomenal example of someone who supports fan made art/videos. Timebomb and Hollow Log by him both have fanmade videos that have been up for years, one over a decade and he’s seen both/enjoys them.
@@Jay-uo5of Another is Rick Riordan, who literally loved tumblr artist Viria's fanart of his characters so much that he made them the official artist and their work the official artwork!
@@JamesLawner referring to another musical called Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812 (I only recognize the name, dunno the ‘drama’ so I recommend searching that up,, apparently people think she’s responsible for the show closing or smth)
@@JamesLawner Another Broadway show: Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812. Great show that underperformed at the Tonys the year it came out. Role that was originally played by Josh Groban was then slotted to be played by Oak Onaodowan, the OBC Mulligan/Madison in Hamilton. Ticket sales plummeted and Oak's start was delayed because he wasn't fully ready on time and they altered the part for him a bit (Pierre originally plays a few musical instruments onstage). Ingrid Michaelson was also brought in to star with Oak to replace the OBC actress. Ticket pre-sales after her departure are even worse. The producers look to find someone to slot into the role of Pierre to help slagging ticket sales because the show is expensive and they don't want to close, and decide on Mandy Patinkin. This show has always been cast raceblind and the role was not originated by a Black performer. But it's 2017 and the atmosphere about work and jobs and onstage diversity, especially highlighted with shows like Hamilton and The Color Purple - various people involved with theatre start making a stink. A lot seemed to start with some writer/rapper/producer from CA whose name escapes me, but a few others, including Cynthia, pick up on it - and she has one of the largest platforms and is mentioned in most of the news articles about the recast. Patinkin drops out due to all this toxicity. The show loses a lot of money and closes. So there's a bit of a "Cynthia caused the closing of Great Comet" meme-ing - like, she didn't, but yeah.
@@riaglitta So if I understood that correctly. The original male lead role was white. The actor left and he got recast by a black actor who wasn't competent, so they recast him with a white actor next. It wasn't out of whitewashing but just because it was a better choice for the role and the role is multiracial anyway. They badly needed for it to work because the show was about to close. Cynthia and others made it about race and it made the news. The new actor left because of the bad publicity. That cost that show with a diverse cast (and with the potential for more actors of color to join later) to close. Welp. Now I get why people don't like her! What a bunch of assholes.
i don't think she understands just how iconic of a poster for the original broadway wicked really was. i honest to god know NOTHING about what wicked is about (i'm not even from the us) but the image of obscured elphaba and glinda has remained in my brain since forever and you immediately know it's wicked. like the original artists and designers ATE with such a simple concept but a great use of color and composition. evidently the movie poster was trying to replicate that but ig because of pushback from cynthia we got a poster that just doesn't work imo, because we already know what it's emulating, but it doesn't compromise to do it fully and it feels empty. what did you accomplish by looking at the camera with a blank face, that makes it so much better? if you don't agree with the same artistic vision just don't make a poster that takes from the actually iconic one 😭 this time it's not a matter of racism or black women erasure... it's literally just paying homage to an insanely popular illustration from the show your movie is based on
I totally agree, either go full on recreating the original poster or do something completely different. The poster they gave us feels so uninspired, kinda rushed and pieced together. Doesn't evoke any kind of emotion and communicates nothing about the movie nor the characters. Art is dead in hollywood
@@mim_mimm I don’t think she does either heck I’m beginning to think she doesn’t understand if it weren’t for the play that still going strong after 10 years and some serious chump change there wouldn’t be a movie being made in the first place. I truly believe that she thinks that she owns the character of the wicked witch which she does not thank God.
That painting is called "The Two-thousand Yard Stare" by Thomas Lea. It's literally depicting PTSD in real time and a weird thing to post on her instagram tbh
That would have been a far more reasonable thing to take issue with, but she's the main character in it and her face is fully visible so of course she loves it. She was so offended you couldn't see the deeply meaningful eye contact she thought she was serving, but that edit is literally mocking the fact her expression completely failed to convey what she was going for. She's not hurt by the one making a joke at her expense but the one simply made to look more like the original is the most wildly offensive thing she's ever seen 😭 Make it make sense, she's trippin.
Maybe I'm reaching here - but if as someone with PTSD, I am not offended by the meme she reposted, I don't really know how she can be offended by this fan edit. The meme is obviously so much more callous towards PTSD (but again, funny, I'm not offended) than the fan edit is disrespectful towards her. How can she be more okay with an edgier meme than an artistic re-edit? Make it make sense.
No but really, how hurtful to other black people and women to say this is the most offensive thing you’ve ever seen. It wasn’t even the most offensive thing I saw that day
And I think that's where most of the issure lies. However she feels about the poster is fine, she doesn't like it, shes free to dislike or hate it. But to come out and say it's the most wildest and offensive thing she has ever seen...Just naw, that aint it.
Exactly. She lacks awareness. Completely out of touch with reality. The world is in turmoil but the most offended thing you’ve seen is an edit of your poster to look like the original? She’s awful.
Its funny that everyone says she looks traumatized, when I feel like she just looks emotionless. She's bored and that makes the move significantly less interesting. I think if she only posted the last two paragraphs, "I feel erased, my feelings are hurt," and people may have been a lot more empathetic. Because that is a fair feeling to have.
She should have looked to the opposite side with her eyes or something. Because it looks like Ariana is telling her something while she's disassociating
Cynthia has done this before. She has no chill and shes unhinged about it. I want to route for her but shes so outta touch. she went off on a weird thing during Harriet but not the actual hate or anything. Rather because no one was talking about her playing Harriet Tubman as a bad thing during the us actors not being cast in movies about Black Americans she threw herself into the discourse with so me classist ass shit. She's not here for the culture, she's here for the personal accolades. She doesn't care about the work, she cares about being special and noticed. so she just looks foolish in the process.
I don’t know anything about any of this. Im not 100% who she is but I’m guessing that she is primarily a stage actress. I’ve gathered that she has played Harriet Tubman. All I can think about now is the misunderstanding & misinformation that went around about HT punching babies unconscious because they could not parse the two colloquial meanings of the phrase “knock out”. Anyway Harriet did sedate babies & small children. I would HOPE that this lady wouldn’t punch a toddler but people with no chill- it’s hard to say.
And the whole goal for elphaba in the poster is to look like she's receiving whatever secret glinda is telling her and that she is almost unaware of the audience. the new poster makes it seem like she's not even listening to glinda and that the audience is all she cares about, which destroys the mystique that is the foundation of her character
❗️READ THE EDIT Sis was in The Color Purple on Broadway and had to do research on slavery for her role and THIS is the most offensive thing she's seen? 🤦🏽♀️ Edit: Shoutout to Jake Stroll for giving more information on The Color Purple. It only partially takes place in post-Civil War America, and largely takes place during the Jim Crow Era.
You don't actually "see" the things you read about in history books. This is an actual thing that happened TO her. She's been called every slur imaginable, publicly, due to her casting in this role. Now "fans" are editing her out of her own posters. Was she being a little over-the-top? Sure. But let's not pretend reading about bad things in history means you can NEVER complain now.. lol.
@@matthewlucas4990 I disagree with your argument. Some of the most profound things I've seen have come from visiting the Holocaust museums in DC and Chicago as a queer person in a Jewish and Polish adopted family. We have no idea how Cynthia studied for Celie but learning how your ancestors were treated as less than human-let alone acting it out 8 times a week-is a life-altering experience. Yes, first-hand experience is of course impactful. However, I think reflecting on history has the potential to affect a person permanently as well.
The shadowed eyes and smirk are so much more expressive than the “staring down the barrel” version. It transforms Cynthia into Elphaba. Which apparently Cynthia did not want 🤷♀️
she’s a narcissist. she has been referring to the poster this entire time as if it’s her, cynthia, being portrayed when it’s her character, elphaba. she should NOT be an actor 😂
I just really wish that the most offensive thing that ever happened to me was someone covering my eyes in a poster of me playing a fictional character.
Note, she literally doesn't give a shit that the original broadway actor is being "Erased" from the original broadway poster... But when some random fan makes a fan edit, the world is tumbling
As an artist, making something with love that I was so proud to show off only to have immediately hated on is so scary. I hope that editor is doing ok.
I wouldn't be shocked if the artist stops liking Wicked. I've had that happen before, someone did something I really didn't like, and I just stopped caring about their work. I feel for the artist and hope they are okay, as well as the Mexican fan that got caught in the crossfire.
Based off of how she came across in interviews & promo, I feel like this post was a "main character syndrome"/narcissistic rant about not being blatantly identifiable on an edited movie cover.
Thats some crazy ass shit to say... the trailer is borderline cartoon saturated. It definitely far more saturated than the show with its very warm and low lighting except for one part.
@@2freeIvXTHATS THE POINT. It has to pop every scene. Its saturate and eye-catching. Thats the goal. The fact they gave her lipstick that doesnt pop in color makes her one huge blob of green. She looks dull, colorless (ironically) and sad.
@@2freeIvXits like they dont adjust the exposure curves enough even the most striking colour looks washed out and greyish. Its like when i shoot with my camera on LOG mode without any color correction
Literally right!!!! All the movies these days are so dark and unsaturated , like the little mermaid for example. Why can’t we have some vibrancy for these magical movies??
To be honest, the movie’s poster just looks so ugly. The transition of the color editing between Ariana and the black/green looks so odd. And the still, straight looking gaze Cynthia gives literally NOTHING. It’s very disjointed and tells no story at all. She literally is standing there blank faced.
Agree plus I don’t understand why they didn’t use the red lipstick like in the og poster because her lips are right in the center of the poster and green + red are literally perfectly contrasting colors so wtf
@@yeshellothisissophbecause it’s not supposed to be full recreation… idk where y’all got that from. it’s just paying homage and doing their own version.
i mean. thats a genuinely good point to make sometimes. i dont know if it was a valid comment in the blake lively clip specifically, but ive seen a few marvel actresses rightfully call their interviewers out for only asking them about their bodies and diets.
@@harlomints7727 that’s what I mean. Blake’s comment was performative, the interviewer didn’t have an ill intention. What makes it worse is that, as you mentioned, it is actually a larger issue at hand, just taken out of context does more harm than good.
the way she said "this is the wildest, most offensive thing I have seen…" when we regularly see photos of the aftermath of bombings in palestine. the fact she posted this is INSANE behaviour.
Ffs slavery still exists and dictators still rule certain countries with gay people hanging from street lamps but a fucking poster edit is sitting at #1. She is so so stupid
I get that what she said wasn't the best response but for you to mention Palestine as a sorta "gotcha" moment is the actual insane behavior, cuz what does a genocide have to do with a celebrity not liking an edit..? Nvm I get it now 💀
Cynthia just seems like she’s fighting for her life. I don’t know what she has been experiencing but she does need to talk to someone about what’s been going on with her so she doesn’t jump down the throats of people who really don’t deserve it.
I love Cynthia Erivo, but man, celebrities need to not have public social media accounts. Like guys, have you heard of WhatsApp groups? Vent there. Use your social media for self-promotion and positive engagement with your fans. I have never seen an-off-the-cuff rant that was well-considered or worth sharing.
For real. I’ve long believed that celebrities shouldn’t have social media. It’s just so pedestrian. They can try as hard as they want, they will never be relatable. So they don’t need social media anymore.
She’s literally one of the biggest reasons Great Comet closed, has said some really weird shit abt African-Americans who were slightly angry that a non-African American was cast as Harriet Tubman. She’s a fucking diva.
I can understand feeling like "oh they undid my work", but staring lifelessly into the camera and acting like it was some deep artistic choice, especially when the fan-made/homage poster portrays more of the character, is a little too self-aggrandising.
It’s not like she was the photographer either lol. Like they were probably giving her directions on where to stand and how to look and stuff. Like maybe she fought to be able to look at the camera like that and that’s why she’s upset??? But if that’s the case then she’s a straight up Diva.
@@SkinnyRichLilBithv According to all the theater people, this isn't surprising behavior for her. She's known for her talent, but also for being a diva.
also the "is your p**** green" thing is an AGE OLD meme in the wicked fandom, people have been associating the original poster with that meme for YEARS before this new poster came out. that detail just makes her look that more out of touch.
She seems like a narcissist. Taking an OLD meme and making it about HER. Like she made the entire poster edit about HER when Ariana was edited even more and less of her face is showing. Her 25 mins will be up after this movie bombs because of her.
@@randomlibra exactly thank you the meme has nothing to do with her. Ariana is way more edited than she is and she’s not complaining so yeah I agree with you her however however long of fame is definitely gonna be over after this.
There's a pretty explicit sex scene in the book between Elphaba and Fiyero, involving EVOO and her *ahem* green parts, like I'm talking *steamy* It makes it all the more tragic when he is later taken away by secret police and murdered, so Elphaba eventually goes to live with the wife he was cheating on with *her,* and their children, in a feeble attempt to assuage her own guilt. Then Fiyero's entire family is taken away by the secret police and murdered, except for his young daughter who becomes The Wizards sex slave. Yeah. The book goes hard.
I think an important factor that makes this not a case of erasure is the structural reality. In Zendaya's case, the version that was edited against her consent was the official, published version. No one would have seen the originals or known of the editing had she not chosen to share them herself. With the Wicked poster, Cynthia has not been erased because the original version continues to exist, and not only that, but continues to be the Official, Authoritative version used to market the movie. There is no analogy to be drawn against the decisions of powerful executives, and the creations of fans, which are complementary to and a celebration of the canon material. There is no profit incentive at play, and the creator of the edit holds no coercive power over Cynthia or her public image. In fact, as you pointed out, Cynthia holds institutional power over the poster creator due to her following, wealth, celebrity status, and social capital. It's a complete inversion of the power dynamics that made what happened to Zendaya a problem worth publicly critiquing.
A lot of actors have sections of their contract specifically stating how big their face is supposed to be on the poster. That’s why marvel movies keep coming out wih those gross “floating head” posters. So yeah id be pretty surprised if this isnt literally just an ego trip
The 'Inception' poster only shows someone from behind. People have speculated that it could actually be director Christopher Nolan and *not* Leonardo DiCaprio. As far as I know, DiCaprio and Nolan never even clarified the situation because...who cares?
Every Batman poster ever. I don’t get it, I think partially or fully obscuring a character’s face for the intrigue is cool. I can’t really imagine being offended by a FAN INTERPRETATION that used this trope to up the intrigue of her character. Especially when her eyes aren’t saying anything in the original photo. It’s one of the blankest stares I’ve seen in a movie poster- her face is pretty, but it’s saying very little.
Well one makes her the center of attention where the other one doesn't. Making PTSD jokes is totally ok, covering up the great Cynthia's face is not. Its similar to how racism matters when it affects Cynthia, and then it's also totally ok for her to belittle black Americans as being inferior. If it fuels Cynthia's ego, it's cool and fine. And if it requires Cynthia to acknowledge she's not the center of the universe, then it is bad and wrong.
This discourse reminds me of the Cats movie and how, instead of the cast being fully anthropomorphic and immersed in their roles, their faces were clearly identifiable and the immersion was broken.
I really wanted to understand her criticisms, but they make zero sense to me. I’m glad I’m not out of the loop or anything lol maybe it was a knee jerk reaction after a lot of (I’m assuming because she is a black woman in a traditionally white role) harassment online for this and she didn’t think before posting. Doesn’t excuse her being so awful about it though
I think you hit the nail on the head. Erivo's been harassed online since her announcement in the role and went off without understanding people weren't trying to 'mask' more of her face, they were trying to make it look more like the original iconic broadway poster. I'm sure it's a nothingburger that'll blowover, it's just never good optics to crap all over the people already in your court (i.e. people excited to see the movie) like that.
@@dante6985 I wish people could just be normal and not watch something they don’t like instead of harassing people about it. If they put that energy into calling out actual harmful things, imagine how much better the world would be lol
I think Cynthia is projecting her feelings about being such a big part of the movie and yet everyone focusing on Ariana. She needs to talk it out at therapy and not destroy people who had no harmful intentions.
Ironically, Ariana's involvement in the movie is actually what was off-putting and made me lose interest. I used to like her, but she has definitely, intentionally or not, harmed the body image of a lot of young women including myself, and gotten away with some actually quite appropriative and erasive actions towards POC using her privilege. And her being a lead role to me just makes it feel likely to join that pattern of remakes of old media that casts an already massive celebrity just to add to their folio and increase profits. Cynthia being cast as the main lead actually seemed cool, and I had the assumption that she would be challenging that celebrity/fame prioritising trend of having the actual performance and product quality come second to name recognition.
Let’s be VERY clear, this was not a misuse of celebrity power. Its was ABUSE directed at a fan. I was willing to give this movie a shot despite Ariana being cast as Glinda. But if BOTH of the lead actresses are insufferable a holes I really don’t think I can justify spending money to see this movie.
@@WattoXtreme I think the main reason is bc there are rumours that she cheated on her partner with her now boyfriend (?) on the set of Wicked and her new boyfriend also supposedly cheated on his wife with Ariana, I don't know if it was ever confirmed but it was suspicious that they both got together after they split with their other partners.
@@i_al_ssI’m not a fan of ariana grande but I haven’t actually seen any proof of it being real. Despite it being sketchy, they both haven’t confessed nor is there any evidence besides one person who says it happened (the spouse aka the cheated on) so idk its effy to me. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ariana Grande did that, but I don’t like listening to rumors.
Lord, I thought I was crazy. Before I saw the fan made edit, I thought maybe they had made her into a racist caricature or something really atrocious. 😑 they were just recreating a poster. I genuinely tried to see it from her point of view but maybe I just don't get it.
@@milodavis1 yeah, I think she might be sensitive to any criticism because the internet is ruthless, especially to black women. When you have to have your gaurd up constantly, everything starts feeling like an attack. This wasn't even criticism of her though, it was criticizing the editing choices of the poster.
@@xrosyxposyxI think that’s where I land on it. It’s completely valid to be hurt by the edit, but I don’t think her lashing out at the post was fair, especially with the huge platform she has. I’m not a black woman, so I was wondering if maybe my confusion came from a place of ignorance. But I think D’Angelo explained it well when he said that two things can be true at once in this situation. I think being hurt is completely fair, especially since Cynthia has experienced plenty of racism and unfair criticism in her career, but she’s wrong to equate an edited movie poster to the other awful stuff she’s experienced, especially when she called it the most offensive.
Thatd what I thought! I even told my partner "oh no watch they changed her nose, making it smaller and probably her lips too." I didn't look into it because I was sad (I too have a lovely nose) and did t want to see rude edits......Learning she's mad about this is Wild.
When I first heard that she was offended by a poster edit, I was expecting the usual internet racism which is unfortunately rampant, but this?? I genuinely cannot fathom being offended by this. It's just a way better composition which pays homage to the original and besides, you can still see her eye in the shadow which I think was even better. Did she design the live action poster composition herself?? If not, why is she taking this as a personal slight against her?
Weird though, huh....all this internet racism, yet she didn't air out any of that. This is what she got mad over. Maybe, just maybe, less people than you thought cared to be racist with her, at least in any proximity to her.
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“we communicate with our eyes” yes and shrouding them in darkness creates a secretive/deceptive vibe which if im not mistaken is THE POINT
Yes. The whole point is that one has eyes obscured while one has mouth obscured.
@@GogiRegionomg true! i didnt think about that, and the whispering in the ear really makes it like "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil"
Yes, she's playing the wicked witch of the West.
If we communicate with our eyes, then why aren't blind ppl mute
Not to mention the basic fact that its a fan made homage to THE ORIGINAL art. Another example of a tone deaf celebritiy being overwhelmed by a problem that normal people would consider an honour.
“this is the wildest, most offensive thing I have seen…” kim, there’s people that are dying.
Right?? Like. Idk if it feels worse to imagine that she actually considers this worse than the horrific, widespread issues she listed, or that she would potentially pretend this is so serious for some other motive. Both of those seem like such irresponsible uses of a platform.
Least insane theatre kid
I understand where her frustration comes from, but that sentence tells me that it's her ego speaking.
@@inkasaraswati7625 i understand that she’s been facing a lot of scrutiny and racism from people, but targeting a fan work and fan account on your very public platform is not justified. if she wished to express anger towards the animosity she is facing, she shouldn’t do it so hastily and ill-prepared on her instagram.
Literally. Seeing this after one of of my favs has been bullied into death I think she'll be fine...
What is her face even trying to say?!? It’s looks like a hundred yard expressionless blank stare. That conveys nothing of the story or character. THAT’S what she’s defending with her life??
I think the expression is saying " that girl better move away because I gotta rip a big one".
Compared to the version I saw in the West End many years ago, a lot of the trailer looks dead-eyed and soulless. Maybe that’s the brand. 🧐
I love her but this is 100% accurate hahaha
Right why did she look so shell shocked
Its giving Oblivion NPC
The smirk in the edit is exponentially more communicative than the 1000 yard stare she had in the actual poster. That stare was so lifeless and blank, it's like she reached a perfect state of Zen, where she was communicating everything and nothing at the same time.
yeah, she just looks bored honestly
Go girl! Give us nothing !
And just the HINT of her eye staring out? Soooo much more 'staring down the barrel of the camera at you' than a straight on, brightly lit double eyed stare. I liked that I had to look closer to see that her eye was still visible in the fan edit. Like, yes! The smirk makes you think she's thinking devious thoughts, the hat hides her eyes just enough that you might think she's not looking at you but then you catch that glimpse of her eye staring? Perfectly done.
The stare gives drugged out stepford wife vibes
The smirk in the “ILLUSTRATION” poster communicates more than her eyes in the movie poster
Totally! The smirk makes we wonder what's being said and what she's doing to do with the info.
That’s why she’s mad
Honestly true
She has such a ded stare on the original, she looks just very flat and empty....
literally what i was thinking. in the illustration you can tell she’s being told something, it makes you WANT to know. this movie poster doesn’t even seem like someone is telling her something, or even something interesting at all. they don’t even look like they’re actually in the same room. it doesn’t translate the message at all…
The smirk, especially with the hat covering her eyes, was communicating a whole lot more than that bland expression :|
It definitely looks more interesting.
For real though. They were too afraid to sell the movie on the promise of its being characterful so they chickened out of obscuring celebrity faces even a little.
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the ozvlog posted about it, theyll educate yall since u people are restards
Right? Something about the original illustration hit hard with audiences. Even in the fan edit, her eye shows though very slightly, and it creates an allure in the viewer. I want to know what Cynthia is really thinking in the edit, whereas in the original...alright, I'll admit it, I hate long eye contact, so I'm barely going to glance at it before feeling like I'm imposing on the conversation. The entire show is about getting to know this character and her motivations, it's a good call to show those as hidden. The story isn't about talking with the audience, it's about Elphaba learning to embrace her inner strength no matter what anyone else thinks is proper.
‘I’ve been erased’ Ma’am, you’re on a ten foot high poster for a multi million dollar movie you’re staring in.
Maybe leading a hate mob against a fan helped raise her spirits.
Tbf I don't want to know what it feels like to be the lead in a movie but people are only talking about her for the first time in headlines because she's mad. Ariana is a massive star with alot of drama and I think it's getting to her a little bit but she's not processing it fairly
Literally, so I guess she thinks that Elphaba’s whole persona in the musical is erased and minimized because her eyes are also covered in the widely loved and known original poster for broadway ☠️
@@HarryDirtay One could say she was being....wicked...
I'll see myself out sorry.
Starring*
As a person of colour, this annoys me because she undermines the struggles of others. She thinks she's championing a cause but ironically she's whipped up a lynchmob against an innocent person.
It also makes people take real racism less seriously.
Always the rich people victimizing themselves 🙄
Rich people of all kinds are still rich at the end of the day. Not that Cynthia doesn't face racism, but they escape a decent chunk of the oppression others in their community face, and end up with massive power over others, because they're rich. Like a lot of systemic racism is focused on keeping POC poor and targeting the already impoverished, so if you're rich that won't hit you. So richies don't end up facing enough hardship to have seen anything more hateful and offensive than literally an edit made in good faith, to make the poster resemble the original illustration.
She has said degrading things about Black Americans.
Exactly, some people need to understand what racist means smh
It’s giving won an extended fight with the producers who actually wanted to pull the hat down in the photo and then a fan came along and proved she was wrong all along and now she is livid.
That’s my exact take on this. She probably threw a fit about how they needed to show her whole face and because someone actually made it and people liked it better she’s mad.
this! the fact her facial expression is nonexistent and Ariana, who is amazing at positioning her body in relation to a camera, doesn't have her hand in a place that really makes sense, leads me to believe that that wasn't meant to be the poster shot and she insisted. what's curious to me is that the official poster has a lot of basic editing mistakes especially with the lighting and shadows on Cynthia's face
That was my conclusion too
Well then she would be justified in being upset. A black woman fought for herself in the industry and won and fans come and hype up what the producers wanted, who prove time and time again they do infact want to erase black faces. The fact that y'all are missing that nuance is literally what she was talking about. Could she have handled it better? Yes of course. However she is in the right here, especially if she did fight to have her full face on view. Even if the poster isn't giving what the other posters are giving. It's the battle to be seen on full display. No one complains like this when white and non black actors are fully seen on bad posters. They let the poster be bad and that's it.
@@kawaiipandas4131 She wouldn't be justified because the fans did nothing wrong
The red lip is a nice pop of color that definitely should've stayed
Yes, and for the movie too! From what I’ve seen in the trailers/posters, the shade of green they picked is… a little off 😭 I guess the munchkins in oz don’t carry the proper shade for Elphaba lol
YES!!! I love the red lip!
The graphic designer of the og poster understood colour pallets a lot better
Or hell, they could even do a purple lip like in the play
@@alyssestephens7726agreed-- the whole point of her being green is that it's shockingly unusual, but this movie keeps making her this sickly pale green like a sci-fi alien character. as if the brighter green isn't objectively more appealing??
Her reaction is the reason movie posters suck now. Actors demand to have their face on the posters and because the edit has her face covered, she sees it as her being told she’s not important enough to have her face on the poster. It’s an ego thing and she’s hardly the only celeb guilty of this
How DARE you insinuate that her concern is for her notoriety and name recognition rather than whatever she was trying to say it was about.
@@HarryDirtay 😂😂
I hate that so much. Almost every poster is a mural of all the actors with overrendered faces like it's a Mr. Beast thumbnail.
@@sonicwave779 soon enough they'll put those red arrows pointing to stuff and people on the actual poster like youtube ones
You hit the nail on the head with this explanation
So here's the difference: she's not being erased because she is not in the poster. Her CHARACTER is in the poster. She shouldn't be seeing herself in the poster at all if she did her job correctly as an actress.
Zendaya WAS being altered (ie: erased) because it was a photograph OF HER. Huge difference.
also... covering her eyes was made for a different purpose, not because we have an impossible beauty standard to have no eyes, or that her eyes were too ugly.
they gave Zendaya a 12 year old body, when the original looked so beautiful and feminine, I don't know what they were trying to achieve. I know there's obsession with being skinny, but aren't women also photoshopped to have curvy hips and bigger boobs, and only the waist, arms and legs are made skinnier (which creates hips but with thigh gap). You can't tell me her hips looked fat instead of sexy 😂
The face Cynthia's making in that poster is the exact face I make when I drive 30 minutes to a restaurant just to find that it's closed, even though the facebook page AND google said it was open.
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Absolutely hilarious lol
Literally cackling rn that was the BEST description
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"To hide my eyes is to erase me" GIRL YOURE THE MOVIE PROTAGONIST
A random person looking at the poster wouldn't know it's her tho? That's probably y she was offended
@@themysticwarriorgal9465As D'Angelo pointed out, Ariana's face is obscured on the original poster as well. But she was fine with that? People in a movie don't need to have their full face present on the movie poster. They're not being "erased" because of it.
@@themysticwarriorgal9465 her name would literally be on it
What's funny to me is that this is the first time im seeing her. I didn't even know she was the lead. I had seen more of Ariana grande and Ethan slater in their roles than I had of her
@@brett8259 didn't Ariana also show support for her post? She agreed with her tho.
she’s entitled to her feelings for sure, but “one of the most offensive things i’ve ever seen” is so crazy and out of touch 😭 like have you seen the state of twitter rn???
Not just twitter, its bad but she should take a look at /pol/, she'll probably melt reading the comments on there if she thinks a edited photo is "the most offensive thing"
That's how feelings work right. It blinds your language and so she's being hyperbolic about it. I think she just wanted people see her face on the cover so they know who's starring without reading movie info? I guess😅
Entitled seens to be the right word for it
@@Destinnies true but just being able to see her face doesn’t mean anyone’s gonna know who she is. I didn’t before this video and just looking at her eyes would not give me any clue to her identity 💀
@@acrollie Oh yeah absolutely 😭 I think she read too much into the fan-made poster 'cause she wanted to be perceived. That's the only big factor I can think to make her go off like that especially when she said "erase" as though they blocked her face (eyes) in a negative way💀
The edit is so much better, because you can’t see the eyes it makes you curious for her, it’s mysterious, the smirk is good, it’s just way better
Exactly.
This is suppose to be an adaption of the musical and the original marque for it communicates so much even though it's very simply drawn. Cynthia just staring blankly into the camera and acting like she is "communicating through her eyes."
Guarantee that Never crossed her mind while shooting it.
“I’m being erased” ma’am you are literally starring in a major movie
@@katoe908 the fact that your costar who coincidentally is a hell of a lot more famous and well-known has her face way more covered than yours, and I don’t hear her bitching about it.
@@katoe908 it’s not going to be a major movie now. What was the last major movie. I forgot.
Its gonna stay relevant for a couple weeks after release at best
@@XVIXENN oh trust me she’ll find a way for herself to stay relevant long after this movie is over because remember one there’s a part two coming unless Samir happens and there isn’t a part two coming and two I highly doubt she’s done running her mouth. I highly doubt it.
Its so frustrating because there are bad actors like the monkey lady who genuinely are just being racist but this isn’t one of those cases.
"We communicate with our eyes," is interesting cause that's what the original musical poster is denying us, that's what makes it intriguing. Also yeah I agree what you say about the eyes.
literally. i think theres also something really interesting about how Glinda has her MOUTH covered and is facing sideways and how Elphaba has her EYES covered but is facing forward. It's a nice bit of mirroring.
that’s a good point actually! :o
I didn’t find that particularly intriguing, lol. It’s just a green woman with a big hat.
@@tttgggccc Glinda's eyes are covered in the movie poster too, honestly. You can only see one and it's concealed by her eyelashes. Not getting a lot of expression there. It's just not a very good poster.
The really funny thing is she isn't communicating ANYTHING with her eyes in the original poster. She's just staring.
Conspiracy theory: I'd bet money that the movie poster designers started off with something that looked a lot like the edit, but Cynthia fought for the current version, and that's why she's so pissed off at everyone agreeing the edit is better.
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This is now my headcanon
You’re definitely right haha
Interesting point!
@@triciad4100 Using TaylorTravis subreddit logic this is 100% true! The fact she made a stink about it and they had to change the entite marketing strategy is ridiculous 😱
Even a slight smirk could’ve helped the original poster so much
What this tells me is she values having her entire face in the poster more than having an artistically interesting and well made, EFFECTIVE poster. I hear nothing else from her tweets
Artistic perspectives? Nah, just plaster my face everywhere, I wanna be hollywood famous now, not just broadway famous...
It' so sad to me that acting has been detatched from being an Art form
Genuinely. She’s so worried about being “erased” as if her face isn’t shown in the actual movie. Like girl, that’s what CREDITS are for! You don’t NEED your entire face in the poster 😭😭
@@fizziep0p696 Andy Serkis comes to mind. He made his career and fame without showing his face in movies.
Exactly she's a narcissist
Same. She's made it all about her, not even about the CHARACTER she was playing. I was so confused about all this so came to D'Angelo to see if there was something I'm missing. I wasn't
She's entitled to her feelings, but... She took this so personally when it really wasn't about her at all. She's playing an iconic character from a musical with an iconic poster - the marketing team chose not to make a 1:1 recreation of that poster, so OF COURSE fans are going to make a fan edit of it.
I agree. I think if she were asked about and she gave her opinion, something like "I'm not a huge fan of the edit, but kudos to the talent of the person who made it" sure she may have gotten some backlash, but she has her own opinion and feelings without doing exactly what she did here
Entitled to her feeling or. .. just entitled. 😕
@@ilenhalogram the oc summed it up pretty well for yah. she is entitled to her feelings just like the person who made the edit.
Even if she had just said “It makes me uncomfortable that you covered my eyes and made my lips bigger” I think that would have been fine. But the MOST offensive???? Definitely comes off privileged and dismissive. Also bordering on predatory given how it could affect the much smaller creator.
@@CaseyReads She suffered a narcissistic injury
“i chose to connect to you with my eyes” her eyes: 👁️ 👁️
Looking dead behind the eyes
Giving us nothing
Emoji eyes have more personality
😂😂 this really made me laugh!
I was thinking the same
17:50 If ppl are bullying, threatening AND finding the address of the guy who shared the poster bc of this actress I think she needs to face some sort of legal consequence for it? Or at-least take some accountability for the threats this guy is getting. Either way something definitely needs to be done on the actress’s part to put a stop to it, bc she definitely should of known better then this.
(This coming from someone who has no interest in the show if that matters)
It’s weird as a broadway star she’s so focused on the eyes communicating. No one can see your eyes on broadway unless they got GOOD seats. Your body language and voice tone is how you communicate (and exaggerated facial expressions, but that’s sometimes hard to see)
As a stage actor, I agree
Hahahha I love this so true, I saw wicked when in played in la back in the day and my tickets were so far I couldn’t even see a clear face 🤣
THIS!!! It’s about the body, the voice, and the movement
she was looking for an excuse to play victim she does not feel good enough so she projects it out
Exactly…maybe she just feels like this is the chance when she can actually show her face and she’s mad that someone is taking that away from her?
This is like if Robert Pattinson claimed to be erased because he had to spend the majority of The Batman’s runtime in a mask.
He'd totally say that, but he'd be doing so to troll the interviewer
@@ember9361 The way I can see this happening lmao
@@aethermca when im in a taking an interview seriously and not fucking with the interviewer competition but its ok because my opponent is robert pattison
@@azeemtravadi6128 he just can't not troll, and I know it's cause he's an actor, but his ability to make it 100% believable is crazy good
You mean like the star of the Halo TV series did, but for serious?
I prefer the red lipstick. The green one ain't doing it for me.
Me too!
It’s giving 2016 nude lipstick if your nude shade is green which I find amusing
@@n48_art YES! That perfectly explains how I feel about it. Thank you for putting that into words.
And why is her face expressionless? Lol she looks like she's dissociating
Tbf iirc Elphaba in the musical doesn't have red lips, it's solely in the poster for contrast
Cynthia is insufferable, her sense of self-importance is astronomical.
I agree.
*vacant blank stare*
"we communicate through the eyes"
God, I've been saying that. She expressed nothing with her eyes in that photo. As if she tried to look vacant.
I just realized that I thought she was scared or surprised in the original movie poster, I didn't even make the connection that in the other she is smirking so it should not be trying to show fear
She’s literally doing this face 😳
thats why all movies are mute
💀
“You need to see my face and expression etc” meanwhile she’s staring blankly and dead-eyed and looking exhausted.
I've encountered psychopaths with more expression in their eyes than that official poster was showing.
@@TheLateGreatZK77well, yes! because theyre people
@@TheLateGreatZK77 You've encountered another human being with human emotions ....want a cookie? 😂
@@prettyxbonez96 No, don’t you see! Psychopaths can’t be human! Just like people with NPD! Or sociopaths! Or autistics! They have no empathy!!! THEYRE EVIL!!!!
(sarcasm)
i guess she really wanted us to know shes zoned out and tired
It’s so funny to me that she said she’s communicating with her eyes.. while giving the most neutral expression I’ve ever seen in my life girl what are you trying to communicate
Lollllll exactly smh
It's giving "don't make it obvious you're looking at them but that person over there...." 👁️ 👁️
"I'm only here for the money" expression 😭😭😭
I love that she talks about communicating with her eyes, staring down the barrel of the camera blah blah blah, when in reality, she just gave us a dead stare 😂
As a Black woman, all I have to say is…
… I would have never seen that poster if she hadn’t thrown this stupid tantrum 🤦🏿♀️
And that’s probably the whole reason she did this
Same! It really and truly is the Streisand Effect in full force.
This!
@robGaming101SeriesXboxjoke?
This.
In the broadway sphere, she is very much known as not an amazing person. A young bway fan asked if there was a way to get broadway tickets cheaper because she couldn't afford them, and Cynthia was like "sell the iPhone you are using to tweet at me" I just cant get over how she talked about black Americans too, she definitely has some closeted prejudice against them.
Wow that's such a horrible thing to say to a fan
That’s so hypocritical, she didn’t play as Harriet Tubman? A very important historical figure in the afroamerican history?
How rude of her! The audacity of this woman to say that to her fans
that’s crazy 🙁 that’s like the haley bayley situation where she said “if you can’t afford cake how do u have a phone”
@@rainebows i have no knowledge of that situation but from that quote… that’s literally let them eat cake. that’s Marie Antoinette
For someone who starred in The Colour Purple, it's pretty gross that she thinks this is the most offensive thing she's ever seen. The horrors that people go through on a daily basis clearly don't compare to wearing a hat with a low brim.
the last level of oppression (after police brutality, wealth inequality, redlining etc.): hat with low brim
for some who also played Harriet 😭??? ma’am there are so much bigger fish to fry
@@soloheroinayeah but cynthia doesnt face any of that
Also the “is your ***** green” joke came from the original broadway poster having graffiti on it written where Glenda is asking it so no one is referring to her body but referring to that old joke in the broadway community
Bro, she also opened the door to the poor girl getting DOXXED. The woman who posted it apologized and stated she’s getting threatened.
This is just so wrong on so many levels. That poor fan. She just wanted to interact with something that she loved and got a witch hunt (oh the irony).
And the fact that the admin of the Mexico fanpage is not even the person who did the edit 😭 I went back to tiktok and the og editor is a dude in his 20s/30s
Artist is threatened yet Cynthia plays the victim.
@@Evelyn-pl3we I heard about that that’s just low down that’s just nasty.
They didn’t edit her face. They added red lipstick, pulled her hat down & moved Ari’s hand up to cover her face. But they didn’t alter Cynthia’s face. Her lips and nose are hers. She must know this project’s title, characters, story & songs already have a diehard fan base following. Allow a little leeway.
Oh. You just said that. There I go commenting 1/4 way thru the video. Also, the fan one is WAY better.
the lips are a little different, like the smile has been edited but the people making the original poster has put a look of work into the way it looks. like she said it was an homage not to be exact. even ari’s hand isn’t close enough to cynthia
@@rainebowsok but why cant fans make alternative posters? Thats a good thing
@@purrrrrrrplethey literally never said they couldn't? They just pointed out there was one slight edit to the lips and pointed out the hand was only *slightly* in front of her face
@@dweebicusmaximus No, but Cynthia is attacking fans for making this completely innocuous fan edit, and THEY are defending Cynthia's positions with their line about "but the people making the original poster has put a look of work (lot of work) into the way it looks. like she said it was an homage not to be exact". If they're going to defend Cynthia's actions like that it is entirely fair to argue against those actions and their impact in response, which is all Purrrrrrrple did.
Jaden Smith somewhere saying “Cynthia, can we please talk about the political and economic state of the world right now?”
Ngl, maybe he should be. He was actually kind of cooking sometimes with his old philosophical vagueposting
Jade really was right and everyone clowned him 😭😂
@@lilpetz500he was right about everything I’ve seen him say he’s a very intelligent young man I think it was his delivery that threw everyone off and clowned him for it, making them miss the point of what he says lmao
Awkafina: girl what is you talmbout
@@lilpetz500he was a literal teenager, a curious one too...teenagers are cringy.
We really normalized being crappy to teenagers back then...
"I communicate with my eyes"
*her 100 yard stare* 👁️👄👁️
i feel so bad for the original poster and artist. Imagine just innocently posting a fan edit only for your home address to be released and having tons of fans at your throat
its disgusting people still go so far as to dox random people for something so innocent.... especially when the edit is in no way offensive and actually better than the current one and just an ode to the original .... its crazy and sad
It makes me sad to see how humanity still hasn’t moved past the mob mentality.
Humanity will never most past mob mentality. Watch ape documentaries, they don’t change no matter how you dress them up or train them, they’ll still gang up on you and rip your arms off if they want.
I bet that artist will never make anything for this movie again. And might even stop doing art. All cos of one narcissist.
No good deed goes unpunished. 💀
Being a bit cynical: Wicked isn’t making the waves they thought, a bit of Twitter drama was needed to make headlines
Which would make it worse because it dragged an innocent fan getting threats for something they only shared didn’t even make themselves
oh that’s a good point!
Even with the whole sponge man drama? Greedy
Honestly I think Cynthia could’ve humored them a bit (not the green ***** comment maybe) & it would’ve been good PR😅 like repost with a “💚” & just keep going
True cuz I had zero intentions of seeing this movie even before the drama happened lol
Broadway stans know that Cynthia Erivo is both a once in a generation talent and totally insufferable. She once went off on a rant about how she’s too good to ever be part of an ensemble because she was FANCAST as a muse in a Hercules live action movie that doesn't exist.
Fancasted as a MUSE and she got upset? Smh I would love to play one of the muses, their parts are so fun
@@CleverUsername69420 Her ego is huge, but incredibly fragile. Like a giant isomalt balloon.
The Muses are one of the things that make Disney’s Hercules iconic, especially amongst Black fans. Cynthia is crazy for saying this.
Oh, god. I'm beginning to loathe this woman. Even Patti Lupone isn't that bad.
@@tophers3756 what did Patti Lupone do?
“I can excuse making fun of PTSD, but not drawing a hat over my eyes”
She makes Ariana look like a humble, relatable Queen. 😅
I'm cackling 😂
this movie’s whole cast is cursed or smth 😭😭
@@blue-sq7tj the oz curse fr
it's funny because when Ariana was asked about Cynthia's reaction she was like "hehehhe I love her but" but we could tell she thinks Cynthia overreacted
SNL + this scandal is doing WORK for Ariana's image these past few months 😂
They were paying homage to the original Wicked poster. It shows that people accepted her casting no differently than the various Broadway performances.
Yeah, and the book cover also originally covered half of the character’s face too. It was meant to create mystery, because that’s literally the point of the whole story: who is she really? Villain or no?
This kind of makes me think she doesn’t understand the subtleties of the story she’s in, which is unfortunate.
@@miriam8376 And if that's true, and she didn't understand, maybe doesn't speak well of the movie's storytelling.
@@miriam8376it was meant to create mystery but also to fit everyone who played the character, which is why most of the face was obscured or not too detailed, she just doesn’t want to be mysterious and she wants to claim the role loudly. I really don’t understand all this hate outta the blue
Apparently she hasn't bothered to learn anything about the history of the show the movie is based on.
@@valolafson6035maybe she’s an idiot?
I could understand her being upset by the "green p****" jokes since that is sexualizing someone, but getting this offended at a fan edit is crazy town
Love your pfp!
And those have nothing to do with each other. She's bringing up an actual issue only to attempt to tie it to a non offensive issue. If she was actually upset by the nasty comments, why not complain about them instead of a fan edit of a movie poster? This is just drama farming, ignoring actual issues unless they can be used to bring attention to nothing.
She's got more power and influence than the artist does, she's abusing them using that power.
Hhh. This reaction does kind of remind me of a late 90's pop band's misplaced sense of humor.
Come my lady come come my lady, you’re my butterfly, sugar, baby
is ur pussy green isnt about cynthia tho 😭😭 its a graffiti from 2012
my biggest issue with this is when someone who is so high profile pulls the racism card when it's not justified it has the "boy who cried wolf" effect.... it makes people who are tired of hearing this kind of crap just walk away, roll their eyes, and ignore anyone who claims racism. Mislabeling things that are not racism as racism literally empowers racism.
@@ccofnw exactly thank you the fan edit was never meant to be racist. It was meant to be a loving tribute to the Broadway play which I don’t know if Cynthia realized it or not but if it weren’t for that, there wouldn’t be a movie being made in the first damn place never mind the fact Ariana Grande‘s face is a more edited than Cynthia is and I don’t see her complaining about it.
THIS^
Racism requires INTENT. Not a single person intended to hurt her or demean her with the poster edit. In FACT, it had NOTHING to do with her, it was the character. But she damn well made it about her and now has this poor kid getting death threats and people finding his address.
I have decided not to see the movie unless she fixes this and apologizes to the kid who made the FAN poster.
@@randomlibra please don’t hate me for saying this, but I don’t see her apologizing because in her warped twisted little brain she did nothing wrong. And I’m with you. Whoever the person was who made the fan edit. They had no intention of being nasty and it had nothing to do with her and I feel bad for him.
fr, it is frustrating how it will affects others that actually have real issues
@@randomlibraThat’s not true. Just because you’re ignorant, doesn’t excuse you from racism
What their poster is communicating is "look, we got famous people! you know their faces right??? Look at Ariana's iconic dimple!!! You care about this one way or another!"
yeah it’s infuriating lk. As if we don’t know Ariana is in it after all the nonstop ads omg
Imagine if Arianna had the same reaction and refused to hold her hand up to whisper because it was "erasing her face" On god these narcissistic morons in Hollywood never cease to putrify the senses
THE DIMPLE OMG SO ACCURATE
I'm surprised they didn't squeeze Sprongebob in there just to take advantage of the man-stealing drama tbh
@@thornyrose1235 y'all are actually obsessed with that drama like let it goooooo you'll live
I mean, the artist raised Ariana's hand, effectively covering a lot of her face (including the dimple) so this wasn't even race specific....??
I love that it’s so well known Ariana wants to be photographed on her dimple side and have her dimple seen that the dimple gets its own aside in your comment
😂😂😂
And you can still see Cynthia's very prominent black features (her lips and nose) in the edit.
Also, if it was anyone person in that role, their face would have been covered too. LIke we can all see it was the fan's intent to make it look like the muscial poster...it wasn't a "hey she's black, lets hide her."
@@FatemaDanyal exactly thank you but yet you’ve got God knows how many people in UA-cam comment sections and on TikTok screaming oh this is racist. This is racist. No, it’s not for the very valid and correct points that you just beautifully stated and by the way Ariana is not complaining and as you say she’s far more edited than Cynthia is.
i like you mentioning you being an illustration nerd! it totally jotted my memory of how when i subscribed to you, it was when you made primarily art content! You are an awesome writer, u are making some of the the best vids on youtube!!!! :)
Fun fact: Universal almost made a Wicked movie that would’ve been released in 2019, but shelved the idea in favor of making Cats because they believed Cats would be the more profitable movie musical…I’m pretty sure who ever made that decision was fired
Sometimes, it's not in the idea. It's in the execution. A well done musical in 2019 would've made money, whether it's Cats or Wicked.
@@phoenix5054 The problem with Cats is that it works a lot better on the stage - it is, when all is said and done, not much of a story and more of a musical performance. Wicked as a story also works on the screen and would have been the better choice.
Cats is also WAY more Jellicle than Wicked, which makes all the difference.
i hate to sound like a hater but it would be hilarious if wicked flopped as well but I can't see that happening though
I could have been but the way the cats were depicted was def creepy
It gives me the impression that it was her idea to pose that way and maybe was something she fought the creative team on. I can’t imagine why else she would care so much that the expression/pose was changed.
Yes. I thought the same
@@Sarah-sn8fj the sad part is you’re absolutely right that’s exactly what happened. They wanted to do the original poster, but she threw a hissy fit and then she got her way.
I feel the same way
The way she said how she chose to stare down the barrel of the camera makes that abundantly clear to me
Such an outsized reaction to something as trivial as this poster, yet she had no sensitivity around the issue of millions of black Americans
who objected to her being cast as
Harriet Tubman, a singular, revered figure in the history of foundational Black Americans. Girl Bye!!!!!
Her version is the embodiment of “go on girl, give us nothing.”
People don’t care about her lifeless eyes - they want Elphaba and proper respect of the source material. If she thinks she’s bigger than the Wicked Witch, she’ really is delusional.
Exactly. She can't accept Elphaba and the culture around wicked is way bigger than her.
The fact that every single person involved in the Broadway version who have already seen it has specifically said that this version is so respectful to the original (with these exact words) makes me think that they were required to say that and that it's not, in fact, respectful to the original!
People don't understand what it is to be actors anymore, they want to act as themselves.
She absolutely argued for putting her entire face on the poster and is now throwing a tantrum because no one cares about her thousand-yard stare on the poster.
Her response just makes her sound like a narcissist. "This poster is bad! Because you can't see my eyes! And I should be seen! Because I! Am! A! Star!" Poor sportsmanship on her part.
It's giving Pearl
PLEEEAAASEEEEE IM A STAAAARRR 😩
@@melobski4😂😂😊
Just look at Google images of her, absolutely self obsessed, and of course queer.......
@@hannahleigh6152Mr. Krab daughter?
just to add some further context, the invasive question "is your pussy green" actually stems from graffiti someone did on the original wicked poster YEARS ago and has been a common joke within the wicked community since! not saying that cynthia has to be okay with that or find the joke funny at all, but it's definitely something that predates her role in the movie, like the poster, and is more tied to the show itself and not specifically cynthia.
Theater kids are rather pervy. Not an insult, just a hard fact.
And here i was, without that context, listening to the video and not watching it, so what i heard was:
"Is your (pause)"
Brain (trying to be helpful): fridge running
" green?"
And let me tell you, i was very confused for a moment
For me, it depends whether that was commented about her/on her posts or if she was just seeing it on the wider internet. Cos if it's the latter, then they're talking about Elphaba not Cynthia. Ofc if people are commenting it on her posts then that's gross and she should call it out
It's so bizarre that I completely forgot about this until reading your comment, but you're absolutely right this was a really common graffiti/meme in the fandom when I was a part of it!
Ask Captain Kirk!! He did a green chick once.
what’s wild to me is there are SO MANY actually offensive edits of black women where their features are minimized and warped and removed. I’m sure there are ACTUAL offensive edits of that exact poster. this edit is so harmless! cynthia’s features were not minimized, westernized, or white-i-fied in any way. they managed to maintain her natural features and lip shape WITH the change in expression.
I’m sure it was just a result of built up frustration on cynthia’s end (a lot of it called for!) but what a bummer :(
@@taylor101vanderploeg omg right? Where was her outrage when Kim Kardashian did the racist ass champagne photo recreation??? Like, cmon girl. Bsffr.
Right?! The first things I looked for were "did they change her lips, nose, or bone structure?"
Nope. If her lips were shrunk in any way, it would have only been from changing her to smirking. Considering the og poster has very thin lips, it shows the person was just trying to translate the poster to real life, not make it an exact recreation.
The edits of Halle Bailey during The Little Mermaid were SO much worse and blatantly racist
So my feelings are such: Erivo is such an amazing talent but... I have read her comments about American born black people being less than, in our diction, or want of education and several other derogatory comments being that she is from over the pond and from Nigerian descent, I believe. She comes off as entitled and overall just not pleasant. Dont talk about shit you dont know about Ms. Erivo. Her comments were hurtful. Now, as far as the poster. I believe she is insecure, as most amazing artists are. So, she thought that the person that created a fan favorite poster, was trying to cut her face out of the poster. It really is not that at all. It is a different interpretation of of the "Wicked" poster. She needs to chill down. 🙄
for those not in the musical theatre community: Cynthia is the real life Rachel Berry and has been for years. she has had a twitter fight with almost everyone ever. she truly is the azalea banks of Broadway
The real life Rachel Berry is it. People keep saying "out of touch Hollywood star" and I'm like, oh no no, this is pure unadulterated theatre kid energy.
@@wavy6617 exactly bahahahaha
It sucks that she’s so talented and could be appreciated and loved for her skill but she’s chosen to act like this about a…fan edit? It’s not like the fan was selling posters, saying she was ugly, or saying she isn’t a good casting choice or something. Just truly shooting her career in the foot.
That's so disappointing to hear 😭
THANK YOU! It's like everyone else forgot who she is!
Last time I was this early, celebrities supported fan creations and understood such things are not intended to replace any official media therein.
Some do, but some have had real problems with fan stuff. Anne Rice infamously got litigious about fan fiction staring her vampires.
Beck is a phenomenal example of someone who supports fan made art/videos. Timebomb and Hollow Log by him both have fanmade videos that have been up for years, one over a decade and he’s seen both/enjoys them.
I love when celebs repost cute little fan edits of characters they play. It's love from the fans for their creation!
@@Jay-uo5of Another is Rick Riordan, who literally loved tumblr artist Viria's fanart of his characters so much that he made them the official artist and their work the official artwork!
Cynthia Erivo is no doubt talented but she's always been ENORMOUSLY insufferable. She showed her true colors with the Great Comet fiasco.
The what fiasco? 😮
What! I had no idea she was involved with that situation!!! Oml.
@@JamesLawner referring to another musical called Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812 (I only recognize the name, dunno the ‘drama’ so I recommend searching that up,, apparently people think she’s responsible for the show closing or smth)
@@JamesLawner Another Broadway show:
Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812. Great show that underperformed at the Tonys the year it came out.
Role that was originally played by Josh Groban was then slotted to be played by Oak Onaodowan, the OBC Mulligan/Madison in Hamilton. Ticket sales plummeted and Oak's start was delayed because he wasn't fully ready on time and they altered the part for him a bit (Pierre originally plays a few musical instruments onstage).
Ingrid Michaelson was also brought in to star with Oak to replace the OBC actress. Ticket pre-sales after her departure are even worse.
The producers look to find someone to slot into the role of Pierre to help slagging ticket sales because the show is expensive and they don't want to close, and decide on Mandy Patinkin. This show has always been cast raceblind and the role was not originated by a Black performer.
But it's 2017 and the atmosphere about work and jobs and onstage diversity, especially highlighted with shows like Hamilton and The Color Purple - various people involved with theatre start making a stink. A lot seemed to start with some writer/rapper/producer from CA whose name escapes me, but a few others, including Cynthia, pick up on it - and she has one of the largest platforms and is mentioned in most of the news articles about the recast.
Patinkin drops out due to all this toxicity. The show loses a lot of money and closes.
So there's a bit of a "Cynthia caused the closing of Great Comet" meme-ing - like, she didn't, but yeah.
@@riaglitta So if I understood that correctly. The original male lead role was white. The actor left and he got recast by a black actor who wasn't competent, so they recast him with a white actor next. It wasn't out of whitewashing but just because it was a better choice for the role and the role is multiracial anyway. They badly needed for it to work because the show was about to close. Cynthia and others made it about race and it made the news. The new actor left because of the bad publicity. That cost that show with a diverse cast (and with the potential for more actors of color to join later) to close.
Welp. Now I get why people don't like her! What a bunch of assholes.
Not to mention that they changed Ariana as well so that her hand is covering more of her face!
i don't think she understands just how iconic of a poster for the original broadway wicked really was.
i honest to god know NOTHING about what wicked is about (i'm not even from the us) but the image of obscured elphaba and glinda has remained in my brain since forever and you immediately know it's wicked. like the original artists and designers ATE with such a simple concept but a great use of color and composition.
evidently the movie poster was trying to replicate that but ig because of pushback from cynthia we got a poster that just doesn't work imo, because we already know what it's emulating, but it doesn't compromise to do it fully and it feels empty. what did you accomplish by looking at the camera with a blank face, that makes it so much better?
if you don't agree with the same artistic vision just don't make a poster that takes from the actually iconic one 😭
this time it's not a matter of racism or black women erasure... it's literally just paying homage to an insanely popular illustration from the show your movie is based on
I totally agree, either go full on recreating the original poster or do something completely different. The poster they gave us feels so uninspired, kinda rushed and pieced together. Doesn't evoke any kind of emotion and communicates nothing about the movie nor the characters. Art is dead in hollywood
I think you could easily say that the og illustration is a defining part of 2000s US culture, and that wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
@@mim_mimm I don’t think she does either heck I’m beginning to think she doesn’t understand if it weren’t for the play that still going strong after 10 years and some serious chump change there wouldn’t be a movie being made in the first place. I truly believe that she thinks that she owns the character of the wicked witch which she does not thank God.
@@NeoNovastar word!
That painting is called "The Two-thousand Yard Stare" by Thomas Lea. It's literally depicting PTSD in real time and a weird thing to post on her instagram tbh
Omg that makes it so much funnier 😂 props to the creator, love that
That would have been a far more reasonable thing to take issue with, but she's the main character in it and her face is fully visible so of course she loves it.
She was so offended you couldn't see the deeply meaningful eye contact she thought she was serving, but that edit is literally mocking the fact her expression completely failed to convey what she was going for. She's not hurt by the one making a joke at her expense but the one simply made to look more like the original is the most wildly offensive thing she's ever seen 😭
Make it make sense, she's trippin.
No idea how or why anyone puts that face in that painting. Now I’m offended.
Maybe I'm reaching here - but if as someone with PTSD, I am not offended by the meme she reposted, I don't really know how she can be offended by this fan edit. The meme is obviously so much more callous towards PTSD (but again, funny, I'm not offended) than the fan edit is disrespectful towards her. How can she be more okay with an edgier meme than an artistic re-edit? Make it make sense.
10:38 that's so weird....
Some of the best movie posters don't show the actors, let alone their eyes.
The Hunger Games poster with the bird logo comes to mind
Imagine the Jaws poster with everyone's heads looking at the shark like a Mr Beast thumbnail 💀
@@yesthisislyraLMAOO
Apart from your lovely analysis, I also appreciate your style too! Definitely looking into watching more of your videos!
No but really, how hurtful to other black people and women to say this is the most offensive thing you’ve ever seen. It wasn’t even the most offensive thing I saw that day
Cynthia has made it abundantly clear her concerns for black people extend to her and her alone.
@@ruminationstation4200 actually saw not long after posting this that she has called American black women ghetto/trashy (and then played Harriet!!!)
And I think that's where most of the issure lies. However she feels about the poster is fine, she doesn't like it, shes free to dislike or hate it. But to come out and say it's the most wildest and offensive thing she has ever seen...Just naw, that aint it.
as a black person im happy to have never experienced bad racism
Exactly. She lacks awareness. Completely out of touch with reality. The world is in turmoil but the most offended thing you’ve seen is an edit of your poster to look like the original? She’s awful.
Its funny that everyone says she looks traumatized, when I feel like she just looks emotionless. She's bored and that makes the move significantly less interesting.
I think if she only posted the last two paragraphs, "I feel erased, my feelings are hurt," and people may have been a lot more empathetic. Because that is a fair feeling to have.
Yeah she was giving nothing in that photo. Like she still buffering
I was thinking that farmer in the American gothic painting. Just unimpressed and tired.
To me, it looks like she's doing the "Mom I threw up" stance
No ppl would not have been more empathetic-
She should have looked to the opposite side with her eyes or something. Because it looks like Ariana is telling her something while she's disassociating
Cynthia has done this before. She has no chill and shes unhinged about it. I want to route for her but shes so outta touch. she went off on a weird thing during Harriet but not the actual hate or anything. Rather because no one was talking about her playing Harriet Tubman as a bad thing during the us actors not being cast in movies about Black Americans she threw herself into the discourse with so me classist ass shit. She's not here for the culture, she's here for the personal accolades. She doesn't care about the work, she cares about being special and noticed. so she just looks foolish in the process.
Also the Great Comet fiasco and the whole Hercules Fancast thing.
Yup, yup...This!
I hate that!!
I don’t know anything about any of this. Im not 100% who she is but I’m guessing that she is primarily a stage actress.
I’ve gathered that she has played Harriet Tubman.
All I can think about now is the misunderstanding & misinformation that went around about HT punching babies unconscious because they could not parse the two colloquial meanings of the phrase “knock out”. Anyway Harriet did sedate babies & small children. I would HOPE that this lady wouldn’t punch a toddler but people with no chill- it’s hard to say.
And the whole goal for elphaba in the poster is to look like she's receiving whatever secret glinda is telling her and that she is almost unaware of the audience. the new poster makes it seem like she's not even listening to glinda and that the audience is all she cares about, which destroys the mystique that is the foundation of her character
❗️READ THE EDIT
Sis was in The Color Purple on Broadway and had to do research on slavery for her role and THIS is the most offensive thing she's seen? 🤦🏽♀️
Edit: Shoutout to Jake Stroll for giving more information on The Color Purple. It only partially takes place in post-Civil War America, and largely takes place during the Jim Crow Era.
Pardon me, can you say it a little louder for Cynthia, please?
She also played Harriet Tubman! I mean, really? She’s got some issues.
Her comments about African Americans pre-Harriet were more offensive than this 😭
You don't actually "see" the things you read about in history books. This is an actual thing that happened TO her. She's been called every slur imaginable, publicly, due to her casting in this role. Now "fans" are editing her out of her own posters.
Was she being a little over-the-top? Sure. But let's not pretend reading about bad things in history means you can NEVER complain now.. lol.
@@matthewlucas4990 I disagree with your argument. Some of the most profound things I've seen have come from visiting the Holocaust museums in DC and Chicago as a queer person in a Jewish and Polish adopted family. We have no idea how Cynthia studied for Celie but learning how your ancestors were treated as less than human-let alone acting it out 8 times a week-is a life-altering experience. Yes, first-hand experience is of course impactful. However, I think reflecting on history has the potential to affect a person permanently as well.
The shadowed eyes and smirk are so much more expressive than the “staring down the barrel” version. It transforms Cynthia into Elphaba. Which apparently Cynthia did not want 🤷♀️
she’s a narcissist. she has been referring to the poster this entire time as if it’s her, cynthia, being portrayed when it’s her character, elphaba. she should NOT be an actor 😂
I just really wish that the most offensive thing that ever happened to me was someone covering my eyes in a poster of me playing a fictional character.
right.
Same I work retail and had the most horrible experiences with customers yelling at me coughing in my face etc Cynthia needs to get a grip
I need this comment on a shirt
Note, she literally doesn't give a shit that the original broadway actor is being "Erased" from the original broadway poster...
But when some random fan makes a fan edit, the world is tumbling
As an artist, making something with love that I was so proud to show off only to have immediately hated on is so scary. I hope that editor is doing ok.
I wouldn't be shocked if the artist stops liking Wicked. I've had that happen before, someone did something I really didn't like, and I just stopped caring about their work. I feel for the artist and hope they are okay, as well as the Mexican fan that got caught in the crossfire.
@@AshleyLaRoc I wouldn’t worry about him. Whole world seem to be on his side;)
Near as I can tell she’s the only one who hates it. They will probably be okay. She may have lost a fan though.
I hope too...
Both her and Glindas face was obscured, that added to the mystery that surrounds their characters.
Based off of how she came across in interviews & promo, I feel like this post was a "main character syndrome"/narcissistic rant about not being blatantly identifiable on an edited movie cover.
the most “offensive” thing about the wicked movie is how unsaturated the colors are
Thats some crazy ass shit to say... the trailer is borderline cartoon saturated. It definitely far more saturated than the show with its very warm and low lighting except for one part.
The most offensive thing about it is that it exists.
@@2freeIvXTHATS THE POINT. It has to pop every scene. Its saturate and eye-catching.
Thats the goal.
The fact they gave her lipstick that doesnt pop in color makes her one huge blob of green. She looks dull, colorless (ironically) and sad.
@@2freeIvXits like they dont adjust the exposure curves enough even the most striking colour looks washed out and greyish. Its like when i shoot with my camera on LOG mode without any color correction
Literally right!!!! All the movies these days are so dark and unsaturated , like the little mermaid for example. Why can’t we have some vibrancy for these magical movies??
2:45 I’ve literally never read Wicked but I remember being super curious about it just because of that cover. It was so perfect.
To be honest, the movie’s poster just looks so ugly. The transition of the color editing between Ariana and the black/green looks so odd. And the still, straight looking gaze Cynthia gives literally NOTHING. It’s very disjointed and tells no story at all. She literally is standing there blank faced.
Agree plus I don’t understand why they didn’t use the red lipstick like in the og poster because her lips are right in the center of the poster and green + red are literally perfectly contrasting colors so wtf
@@yeshellothisissophbecause it’s not supposed to be full recreation… idk where y’all got that from. it’s just paying homage and doing their own version.
@@realestsienna that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying it’s a bad choice. It looks washed out.
She wearing blank face 😅
It’s giving Blake Lively “they don’t ask the men about the wardrobe”.
I agree.
Exactly. It's rich people who are already big stars complaining that the world does not revolve around them
"congratulations on YOUR bump" or whatever she said.....
i mean. thats a genuinely good point to make sometimes. i dont know if it was a valid comment in the blake lively clip specifically, but ive seen a few marvel actresses rightfully call their interviewers out for only asking them about their bodies and diets.
@@harlomints7727 that’s what I mean. Blake’s comment was performative, the interviewer didn’t have an ill intention. What makes it worse is that, as you mentioned, it is actually a larger issue at hand, just taken out of context does more harm than good.
the way she said "this is the wildest, most offensive thing I have seen…" when we regularly see photos of the aftermath of bombings in palestine. the fact she posted this is INSANE behaviour.
Ffs slavery still exists and dictators still rule certain countries with gay people hanging from street lamps but a fucking poster edit is sitting at #1. She is so so stupid
I get that what she said wasn't the best response but for you to mention Palestine as a sorta "gotcha" moment is the actual insane behavior, cuz what does a genocide have to do with a celebrity not liking an edit..?
Nvm I get it now 💀
@@Zweshi_xBecause it's mentioning more important things that are considered more "wild and offensive"
@@Zweshi_x 1st world problems VS 3rd world problems
@@Zweshi_x what does it have to do? Did you miss the part where she said its the most wild and offensive thing? Or just being selective?
Cynthia just seems like she’s fighting for her life. I don’t know what she has been experiencing but she does need to talk to someone about what’s been going on with her so she doesn’t jump down the throats of people who really don’t deserve it.
I love Cynthia Erivo, but man, celebrities need to not have public social media accounts. Like guys, have you heard of WhatsApp groups? Vent there. Use your social media for self-promotion and positive engagement with your fans. I have never seen an-off-the-cuff rant that was well-considered or worth sharing.
This!!!
No no no no no! Let her embarrass herself so we can see who she really is 🎉
For real. I’ve long believed that celebrities shouldn’t have social media. It’s just so pedestrian. They can try as hard as they want, they will never be relatable. So they don’t need social media anymore.
She’s literally one of the biggest reasons Great Comet closed, has said some really weird shit abt African-Americans who were slightly angry that a non-African American was cast as Harriet Tubman. She’s a fucking diva.
We don't really use WhatsApp in America.
I can understand feeling like "oh they undid my work", but staring lifelessly into the camera and acting like it was some deep artistic choice, especially when the fan-made/homage poster portrays more of the character, is a little too self-aggrandising.
It’s not like she was the photographer either lol. Like they were probably giving her directions on where to stand and how to look and stuff. Like maybe she fought to be able to look at the camera like that and that’s why she’s upset??? But if that’s the case then she’s a straight up Diva.
@@SkinnyRichLilBithv According to all the theater people, this isn't surprising behavior for her. She's known for her talent, but also for being a diva.
also the "is your p**** green" thing is an AGE OLD meme in the wicked fandom, people have been associating the original poster with that meme for YEARS before this new poster came out. that detail just makes her look that more out of touch.
@@gabinguss exactly that’s what 10 years if not longer that doesn’t have a damn thing to do with her.
She seems like a narcissist. Taking an OLD meme and making it about HER. Like she made the entire poster edit about HER when Ariana was edited even more and less of her face is showing. Her 25 mins will be up after this movie bombs because of her.
@@randomlibra exactly thank you the meme has nothing to do with her. Ariana is way more edited than she is and she’s not complaining so yeah I agree with you her however however long of fame is definitely gonna be over after this.
The original book talks about her (the character) being intersex and people are fine with talking about her genitals. I blame Gregory McIntire.
There's a pretty explicit sex scene in the book between Elphaba and Fiyero, involving EVOO and her *ahem* green parts, like I'm talking *steamy*
It makes it all the more tragic when he is later taken away by secret police and murdered, so Elphaba eventually goes to live with the wife he was cheating on with *her,* and their children, in a feeble attempt to assuage her own guilt. Then Fiyero's entire family is taken away by the secret police and murdered, except for his young daughter who becomes The Wizards sex slave.
Yeah. The book goes hard.
I think an important factor that makes this not a case of erasure is the structural reality. In Zendaya's case, the version that was edited against her consent was the official, published version. No one would have seen the originals or known of the editing had she not chosen to share them herself. With the Wicked poster, Cynthia has not been erased because the original version continues to exist, and not only that, but continues to be the Official, Authoritative version used to market the movie. There is no analogy to be drawn against the decisions of powerful executives, and the creations of fans, which are complementary to and a celebration of the canon material. There is no profit incentive at play, and the creator of the edit holds no coercive power over Cynthia or her public image. In fact, as you pointed out, Cynthia holds institutional power over the poster creator due to her following, wealth, celebrity status, and social capital. It's a complete inversion of the power dynamics that made what happened to Zendaya a problem worth publicly critiquing.
The fan made poster is LITERALLY an exercise I did in college while learning to use Photoshop
SAME! I remade a Twilight poster lol
So this woman has never seen a poster where an actor's face is obscured...??
Just ridiculous drama farming.
A lot of actors have sections of their contract specifically stating how big their face is supposed to be on the poster. That’s why marvel movies keep coming out wih those gross “floating head” posters. So yeah id be pretty surprised if this isnt literally just an ego trip
The very first Mission: Impossible poster has Cruise's face in silhouette and it looks amazing.
The 'Inception' poster only shows someone from behind. People have speculated that it could actually be director Christopher Nolan and *not* Leonardo DiCaprio. As far as I know, DiCaprio and Nolan never even clarified the situation because...who cares?
Every Batman poster ever.
I don’t get it, I think partially or fully obscuring a character’s face for the intrigue is cool. I can’t really imagine being offended by a FAN INTERPRETATION that used this trope to up the intrigue of her character.
Especially when her eyes aren’t saying anything in the original photo. It’s one of the blankest stares I’ve seen in a movie poster- her face is pretty, but it’s saying very little.
her posting the meme on her story and then switching up is so funny, girl make up ur mind 😭
Well one makes her the center of attention where the other one doesn't. Making PTSD jokes is totally ok, covering up the great Cynthia's face is not. Its similar to how racism matters when it affects Cynthia, and then it's also totally ok for her to belittle black Americans as being inferior. If it fuels Cynthia's ego, it's cool and fine. And if it requires Cynthia to acknowledge she's not the center of the universe, then it is bad and wrong.
This discourse reminds me of the Cats movie and how, instead of the cast being fully anthropomorphic and immersed in their roles, their faces were clearly identifiable and the immersion was broken.
I really wanted to understand her criticisms, but they make zero sense to me. I’m glad I’m not out of the loop or anything lol maybe it was a knee jerk reaction after a lot of (I’m assuming because she is a black woman in a traditionally white role) harassment online for this and she didn’t think before posting. Doesn’t excuse her being so awful about it though
Traditionally green role you mean?
She’s being insufferable no one cares what race she is CUZ ELPHABA GREENN!!
People say she’s like the Azealia banks of Broadway lol
I think you hit the nail on the head. Erivo's been harassed online since her announcement in the role and went off without understanding people weren't trying to 'mask' more of her face, they were trying to make it look more like the original iconic broadway poster.
I'm sure it's a nothingburger that'll blowover, it's just never good optics to crap all over the people already in your court (i.e. people excited to see the movie) like that.
@@dante6985 I wish people could just be normal and not watch something they don’t like instead of harassing people about it. If they put that energy into calling out actual harmful things, imagine how much better the world would be lol
I think Cynthia is projecting her feelings about being such a big part of the movie and yet everyone focusing on Ariana. She needs to talk it out at therapy and not destroy people who had no harmful intentions.
Recently I’ve read about the huge salary discrepancy between her and ari and oh💀 I’d also be a little salty I guess
I agree
@@ceci1017yeah but don't take it out on some random fan
@@ceci1017Ariana is the main reason ppl r tuning in to watch it tho, u have to consider how much money she's bringing in
Ironically, Ariana's involvement in the movie is actually what was off-putting and made me lose interest. I used to like her, but she has definitely, intentionally or not, harmed the body image of a lot of young women including myself, and gotten away with some actually quite appropriative and erasive actions towards POC using her privilege.
And her being a lead role to me just makes it feel likely to join that pattern of remakes of old media that casts an already massive celebrity just to add to their folio and increase profits.
Cynthia being cast as the main lead actually seemed cool, and I had the assumption that she would be challenging that celebrity/fame prioritising trend of having the actual performance and product quality come second to name recognition.
Grab the crochet project lads, D'Angelo uploaded
just picked up my hook let’s goooooo
I'm unraveling a half-done old project to start a new one.
I got my cardigan queued up. Let’s goooo
Just finished a lace star dolly to the Brian Johnson deep dive, challenging myself to finish a frog plush to this video
and knitting lol
i started laughing out loud when you said “it’s giving… hostage situation” 😭
Let’s be VERY clear, this was not a misuse of celebrity power. Its was ABUSE directed at a fan. I was willing to give this movie a shot despite Ariana being cast as Glinda. But if BOTH of the lead actresses are insufferable a holes I really don’t think I can justify spending money to see this movie.
At least ariana grande likes her character.
Why do people hate Ariana?
@@WattoXtreme I think the main reason is bc there are rumours that she cheated on her partner with her now boyfriend (?) on the set of Wicked and her new boyfriend also supposedly cheated on his wife with Ariana, I don't know if it was ever confirmed but it was suspicious that they both got together after they split with their other partners.
@@Beerambling they aren't rumors, it's all true
@@i_al_ssI’m not a fan of ariana grande but I haven’t actually seen any proof of it being real. Despite it being sketchy, they both haven’t confessed nor is there any evidence besides one person who says it happened (the spouse aka the cheated on) so idk its effy to me. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ariana Grande did that, but I don’t like listening to rumors.
Lord, I thought I was crazy. Before I saw the fan made edit, I thought maybe they had made her into a racist caricature or something really atrocious. 😑 they were just recreating a poster. I genuinely tried to see it from her point of view but maybe I just don't get it.
I spent good 15 mins on the original post comments trying to figure out what was wrong and couldn’t find it
@@milodavis1 yeah, I think she might be sensitive to any criticism because the internet is ruthless, especially to black women. When you have to have your gaurd up constantly, everything starts feeling like an attack. This wasn't even criticism of her though, it was criticizing the editing choices of the poster.
Both the actresses faces are obscured.... and Ariana's face is covered even in the real poster... soooo...
@@xrosyxposyxI think that’s where I land on it. It’s completely valid to be hurt by the edit, but I don’t think her lashing out at the post was fair, especially with the huge platform she has. I’m not a black woman, so I was wondering if maybe my confusion came from a place of ignorance. But I think D’Angelo explained it well when he said that two things can be true at once in this situation. I think being hurt is completely fair, especially since Cynthia has experienced plenty of racism and unfair criticism in her career, but she’s wrong to equate an edited movie poster to the other awful stuff she’s experienced, especially when she called it the most offensive.
Thatd what I thought! I even told my partner "oh no watch they changed her nose, making it smaller and probably her lips too." I didn't look into it because I was sad (I too have a lovely nose) and did t want to see rude edits......Learning she's mad about this is Wild.
Let's not forget when she was on Twitter making fun of African Americans, just her to star in Harriet Tubman
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Right. Disgusting. For her to even take that part was ridiculous.
Yep she even retweeted racist posts about African Americans too. She's a hypocrite.
omg that movie was straight up fanfic! I have no issues with fanfic, but Tubman was a REAL PERSON, like, a HERO! what EVEN?
Thats why the movie flopped, I dont care for Cynthia after that and will continue to not support her.
"Please, she's screaming whistle notes into my ears."
LMAOO😭🙏
When I first heard that she was offended by a poster edit, I was expecting the usual internet racism which is unfortunately rampant, but this?? I genuinely cannot fathom being offended by this. It's just a way better composition which pays homage to the original and besides, you can still see her eye in the shadow which I think was even better. Did she design the live action poster composition herself?? If not, why is she taking this as a personal slight against her?
i mean tho… it would be, right? not sure who first wondered that but seems rational
The fact that in the shadow, you can still see her eye looking straight in the camera makes her reaction even weirder 🤭
Weird though, huh....all this internet racism, yet she didn't air out any of that. This is what she got mad over. Maybe, just maybe, less people than you thought cared to be racist with her, at least in any proximity to her.