Value the quality of audio in your cinematography, along with the good steady video angles which get full length of 4014 loco and tender in balance with bit of space in front and after. As for those coaches or ‘cars’, they’re classical US passenger. Cannot get over how UP has both restored and is maintaining this biggest of steam under Ed’s watchful eye. When America builds ‘em, she builds ‘em big, strong, loud, and powerful. How good is that! John, Brisbane Australia.
@@somedayzo6 It depends on the ruling grade of the division she's on. On a 1% grade, a Big Boy could pull 4800 tons of freight. 0.82% grade, 5800 tons. Downhill, 6100 to 9000 tons, purely due to the limitations of the brake system in being able to control the speed of the train.
Folks like those shown around 2:20 and 3:32 give the rest of us responsible railfans a bad name because the railroad workers think we're all this dumb, hence why they label us all as "foamers". 844 killed someone pulling this kind of stupidity in 2018 and yet people still let the excitement of seeing big steam overcome their common sense. I don't wish for anyone to get hit, but I wish more people would actually be more aware of what they're doing and really think about it before doing whatever they do "for the shot". Especially this guy crouching between the tracks at 3:32. He even lies down on his back a few seconds later! "But there was no train". Luckily there wasn't this time, but you must *always* treat the tracks as if they're "live" with a train on it. Most freight trains don't run on a consistent timetable anymore and so you never know for sure where a train is and when one could pass right by where you are. Suppose just a few seconds after this guy lays down (3:49) an intermodal started whistling for the crossing in the other direction and barreled through at track speed. You think that guy would have had the time and clearance to get out of the way before disaster struck? It could have happened. You never take that risk. "The guy would have known whether or not a train was there." Not if he wasn't paying attention. Consider this: 4014 is probably louder than any modern diesel. With all the chuffing, whistling, clanking, and hissing of steam along with her imposing presence 4014 was that guy's only focus. If your brain is not focused on your surroundings you will not notice that a modern diesel is about to hit you until it's too late. The KCS runs 100-car grain shuttles right outside my backyard as needed night and day with at least 3-4 big units ranging from AC4400CWs to SD70ACe-T4s and everything in between at around 40mph and I live next to a crossing which requires whistling. A lot of the time I don't even notice the train until the engineer starts whistling for the crossing just before he reaches my house with just seconds before he hits the crossing. I've even got a pretty clear view of him for at least a quarter mile before he starts whistling *and yet* most of the time I don't even hear him approaching until he starts whistling for the crossing. Mindset and focus can be dangerous things, especially if you're in the wrong mindset and are focusing on the wrong thing instead of your surroundings. "He probably looked both ways." This is not a highway! This is the railway and trains have a way of creeping up on people. Don't be fooled if you look down the tracks and see a train approaching in the distance and think "I've got time" because that train will always close that gap faster than you think it can. Not to mention trains can't stop very quickly because of how long it takes for the brakes to apply along the whole train and because of the tremendous amount of momentum behind these trains even at low speeds due to their sheer size and weight. TL;DR don't be like these folks around the tracks. Don't even step up on the ballast. You should probably be even a few more paces away from the ballast to avoid any debris the train might kick up or something like a loose chain or strap. Don't stand on the tracks, even between running lines. Treat every track as "live" and always expect that there could be a train around when railfanning. No picture is worth the risk.
Every word above is true, and I might add the following: These folks are not very bright and they are trespassing on top of it. Fact is, they're too close to see or appreciate the locomotive anyway. And if enough trespasser strikes occur, the U.P. will simply eliminate steam runs altogether. This fine equipment will be tied down on grounds of safety and the crew's fine jobs abolished, never to return. The company could so easily smash what is left of the Cheyenne facilities and call the whole show history--like all other Class Is have. What a horrible shame that one stroke of a pen would be. But disastrous or not, corporations truly love to chop costs. We are very, very fortunate to be alive and allowed to enjoy the U.P. Steam Program. Their business does not require them to entertain us--and they know it. WAKE UP! It is so much safer and easier to follow simple directions: STAY OFF railroad property, STAND BACK 25+ feet and SEE BETTER to appreciate the program while we have it! Stop being bona fide idiots and risking everything for those of us who do comply. Instead, respect the program, the equipment and its crews. It might even save your life, which is the real idea behind all of the above.
I am in UK and sadly we also get idiots like this who rather risk their life to get a so called good shot of a loco. The famous Flying Scotsman timings now have to be kept secret until the last moment because of the number of trespassers who stand on the tracks with no clue of what may be speeding from behind them, most of our express trains now run at 125mph and are very quiet. Even on video you can tell how loud Big Boy must be. The guy laid down made me cringe. He would never hear a train on the opposite track until it was on top of him. Always remember what time is the next train? Answer Any time timetables do not mean a thing.
And let the camera's zoom lens pull in the action close to you. I've seen videos here on the 'Tube that were shot from a small hill or the road more then 50 feet away and the coverage was excellent.
Love the audio on these video. The drive along the train videos are cool, but in this one you hear the engine, the pistons, the steam even. The sound of steel on steel. Every chug, clack and roar. The sound is so superb, it puts me right there.
Great to hear the Big Boy working hard. In so many videos she makes a lot less noise than much smaller British and German locos that I am most familiar with. Thanks for the explanation of the operation of the Big Boy and why the diesel loco is necessary.
Still one of my favorite 4014 videos. Thank you for sharing! I still hope that one day the heritage diesels will get PTC, and run with 844/4014. 4014 and 6936 together would be a dream come true.
4014 is definitely being worked much harder than the first two trips. Everything must be worn enough now to make Ed comfortable running it a little harder.
Yes, harder but not "HARD"; still quite a lot of valve cut-off looking at the position of the radius bar in the expansion link, eg. 0:44 In many videos it seems to me they operate with a fixed cut-off setting and just vary the regulator, of course there might be a very sound operational reason for this.
They typically start with the reverser in the corner, then hook it up to about 35% when they get up to the target running speed. They're not hauling 4000-6000 tons of freight, so its more economical to run with the gear at a fixed cutoff setting and vary effort with the throttle position. At 44 seconds in, it looks like he's got the throttle open about half and the cutoff around 50-%65%. Maximum cutoff for this class of locomotive is 81%. So yes, not necessarily "HARD" with respects to what it could be doing, but for a light 1500 ton passenger consist like this, that's a decent amount of power they're using to accelerate here.
@@572Btriode You have a good eye for detail. When I watch these steamers I also look at the radius bar/link section of the valve gear - walschaearts only of course :) I love these machines and their intricate and smooth "sewing machine" qualities.
Im going to ST Louis Missouri to see 4014 on display and hopefully meet ED Dickens but its going to be an exciting experience seeing this massive locomotive
I caught them in Parsons, KS. on an lay-over... Austin and I had a good visit. I remember Ted from when he first came to the steam shop, the last year that Steve was running the show. Planning on catching it again, either in St. Louis or KS City..... will be the last time any of us see it again for quite a while... if ever again, unfortunately.
@@Da_Fel Freight diesels are not equipped with HEP provisions for supplying passenger coaches with electricity. There's a dedicated generator car in the consist for that.
@@FanRailer And you can hear the generator running as that car (fourth from the end) goes by. Judging from the soot on the roof, there is another generator near the front which didn't sound like it was running.
I was at the stretch between Poplar Bluff Mo and Scott City Mo. I couldn’t get the sounds of the pistons as good because I was right at the crossing and they where sounding the whistle, but you can just barely hear them.
That's why I try to stay just beyond crossings. There are already far too many clips of the locomotive with whistle blowing through crossings. The rest of us just want to hear the thing work.
@@FanRailer Right, not some good foresight on my end. It was my first steam engine that I got to see up close. The last one that went through my area was 844, and it was during school and they made us stay a couple streets away. But I went with the crowed who was at the crossing for big boy. The crossing I was at I wouldn’t have gotten a good view of it because… trees. Either way, I got to see it and I was satisfied.
@@FanRailer Any word on if they made the necessary repairs in Shreveport? Your video gave the explanation why she got in at 7:30 instead of 5:30 and was creeping in.
@@FanRailer Long way to go between here and Cheyenne. And some big ass mountains. Hopefully she holds together and has enough power to make it home and get properly repaired. This is only her second full season out; not surprising to see some bugs (not like it is on the rails in revenue service where the bugs would manifest a lot more quickly).
I have watched a lot of videos of the Big Boy...yours are the best. Here in KC, we get to have him overnight 2x this go-round. He’ll be back next week. Saw him before he headed south a couple of weeks ago, too.
Of course it won't happen this year but imagine if she hauled that train through the Ozarks on the Van Buren and Coffeyville Subs?Not easy grades on those 2 subs there.
Sorry, 1500 tons is a walk in the park for a Big Boy. Have a look at the video on youtube of Challenger 3985 hauling 143 cars of double-stacked containers uphill.
I've seen that video, many times. 1500 tons is indeed a walk in the park for a 4000, but work is still required to accelerate the train from a standing stop up to 45 mph. Once at speed, 4014 can drift easy and still maintain said speed.
Great video. That's the trouble when you have a diesel in the consist. People think it couldn't pull 'that' train by itself or it's an old relic ready to break down any minute. Sadly, dieseless days are probably over w/PTC requirements. I also have to take some issue with the 4014 working hard. It was working SOME but not hard. Remember they used to pull 100+ car freight trains (4000-5000 tons) UPHILL!
Maybe the reason people seem to think 4014 is being pushed is because in the beginning, it only seemed to work on grades. Definitely not the case now. The crew appears to be a lot more confident in 4014.
@@anhkietduongdo Like when it had the water issue the other day. That case you could hear the diesel engine a lot louder then when it's in the idle mode when the steamer is pulling.
I thought they had added PTC.. The braking seems more about babying the equipment. 4014 pulled much heavier loads without dynamic braking. The emergency need I get, but seems like it could be solved just by having the diesel follow a few miles back.
The braking thing is to save money on brake shoes. Just the locomotive brake shoes cost $20,000 per set, and you still have the entire rest of the train to consider. Without dynamic brakes, on a 4000 mile tour like this, you could be going through more than half a dozen sets of brake shoes.
Great video, beautiful view. Great lighting on the last scene too with the low sun! Awesome sound, I'd love to hear that whisle in real life but since I'm from Europe I have to live with vids like this. Thank you so much for sharing! Oh btw comments saying the diesel pushes the 4014, they really don't know what they're talking about since it can't be pushed that long and that fast without having it's own power. Ignore them.
People just want to see the engine without a diesel. Like what 844 and 3985 did in their glory days, especially with the latter pulling 143 double stacks back in the 1990s.
This locomotive pulled mile long loaded freights up the Wasatch mountains and trains of war materials several miles long across the whole country during WWII. These few piddly cars would be like a Peterbilt towing a baby buggy.!!!!!!!!!!!
You've got quite the imagination, Frederick. : ) The UP's 4000 class stayed between Green River and Ogden, during most of the 40's doing what they were designed and built to do.... replace two to three smaller engines up/over the Wasatch's .82% grade with "Up To" 5800 tons to Ogden. In the late 40's (late 47, early 48) most of them were re-assigned to Cheyenne, hauling freight over Harriman to Rawlins and Green River and return. There may have been one time that a 4000 pulled a multi-mile long train of Empties between Cheyenne and Omaha.
@@Romans--bo7br Wasatch eastbound ruling grade is 1.14%, so 4450 tons up the hill there for the 4000s. Otherwise correct. A few of the locomotives including the first one (4000), when delivered in 1941, after being set up in Omaha were put at the head of 100 car-long, 3000 ton empty fruit reefer drags and powered them west unassisted all the way to Ogden. I believe for a few years in the late 40s to early 50s, after being reassigned to Cheyenne, the 4000s were given trains as far east as North Platte, but not all the way to Ogden. There was a period of time around then as well that they would have ventured as far south as Denver, but it was short lived. What is interesting is that for a few months in the mid 40s, they tested the 4000s in service on a portion of the LA-SL line near Provo. There were no permanent coaling facilities down that way, as everything was oil fired, so that did not last long. However had the war continued and the 3rd series of 4000s been ordered, those 5 locomotives would have come with enlarged tenders and been delivered as oil fired locomotives for the LA-SL district.
If you're firing up properly, could take several days. Back when they were new, they did a test in one of the shops, and it took a few hours, but firing up from a cold start that quickly is bad for the boiler.
@@FanRailer , thanks for your answer. I can imagine it would take days. I was on a nuclear aircraft carrier and it took us about 48 hrs to build enough steam pressure to get underway. Just as an example of how long it can take to boil that much water!
@@FanRailer.... Stay-bolts were known to let go when temperature rose too quickly... on Any steam locomotive. Hard on the tubes as well, in some cases.
The volume from the stack suggests otherwise. They're pulling about 15-16 lbs back pressure accelerating and about 8-10 lbs cruising up grade at ~35-40 mph or so. In the first clip where they're accelerating out of Atlanta, the throttle is open about half and the reverse gear is down at around 50-60% cutoff. Not super hard with respect to what they used to do with freight back in the day, but for a 1500 ton train, that's pretty substantial.
@@FanRailer I think he was just starting to get into his power band a little. I have a question, does anyone know how a big boy would sound when it was REALLY pouring it on like in the old day? Not necessarily fast but really pulling hard! I bet it would really bark.
@@midsouthexpress I can only imagine slightly louder than this. Once you get above a certain back pressure threshold, additional back pressure doesn't increase volume as much. I will refer you to this video of the locomotive departing Harriman on line 3 unassisted back on the 2019 southwest tour: ua-cam.com/video/4sX1S7jH-yA/v-deo.html Note the volume of the stack during the wheelslip.
so your comment suggests that the big boy is being pushed around. majority of the work/ her fair share. tragic. all that cash and not even pulling these short trains solo. all across europe/uk and even africa the steam locos can handle their own trains. but not the uber powerful one. as for dynamic braking, why wasnt that an issue in the 90s/early 2000s. and does it depend on train length. ive had people tell me 844 gets pushed because re braking because the train is both too long/too short. as if its one big goldilocks operation. to think up wanted 3000usd to travel behind the big boy couple years back to get a diesel shove...
Work hard? Really? I think, this Loco never has to work hard with this train. 12 cars weighting perhaps little more than 50 tons.. It's nothing. This Loco is build to pull freight trains of several thousand tons.
Value the quality of audio in your cinematography, along with the good steady video angles which get full length of 4014 loco and tender in balance with bit of space in front and after. As for those coaches or ‘cars’, they’re classical US passenger. Cannot get over how UP has both restored and is maintaining this biggest of steam under Ed’s watchful eye. When America builds ‘em, she builds ‘em big, strong, loud, and powerful. How good is that! John, Brisbane Australia.
That would be the work of Traveling Guy Tim.
If those are newly laid down rails, they’re probably saying, “we’ve never had this kind of pounding from a big ‘choo-choo’ before!”
I would love to see the Big Boy haul a proper freight train someday. Really show us what she can do.
I wonder what she could pull?
@@somedayzo6 It depends on the ruling grade of the division she's on. On a 1% grade, a Big Boy could pull 4800 tons of freight. 0.82% grade, 5800 tons. Downhill, 6100 to 9000 tons, purely due to the limitations of the brake system in being able to control the speed of the train.
@@FanRailer air brakes on every car?
@@FanRailer 3600 over the sherman
There is no way it could have handled the 5% grade of Saluda.
Folks like those shown around 2:20 and 3:32 give the rest of us responsible railfans a bad name because the railroad workers think we're all this dumb, hence why they label us all as "foamers". 844 killed someone pulling this kind of stupidity in 2018 and yet people still let the excitement of seeing big steam overcome their common sense. I don't wish for anyone to get hit, but I wish more people would actually be more aware of what they're doing and really think about it before doing whatever they do "for the shot". Especially this guy crouching between the tracks at 3:32. He even lies down on his back a few seconds later!
"But there was no train".
Luckily there wasn't this time, but you must *always* treat the tracks as if they're "live" with a train on it. Most freight trains don't run on a consistent timetable anymore and so you never know for sure where a train is and when one could pass right by where you are. Suppose just a few seconds after this guy lays down (3:49) an intermodal started whistling for the crossing in the other direction and barreled through at track speed. You think that guy would have had the time and clearance to get out of the way before disaster struck? It could have happened. You never take that risk.
"The guy would have known whether or not a train was there."
Not if he wasn't paying attention. Consider this: 4014 is probably louder than any modern diesel. With all the chuffing, whistling, clanking, and hissing of steam along with her imposing presence 4014 was that guy's only focus. If your brain is not focused on your surroundings you will not notice that a modern diesel is about to hit you until it's too late. The KCS runs 100-car grain shuttles right outside my backyard as needed night and day with at least 3-4 big units ranging from AC4400CWs to SD70ACe-T4s and everything in between at around 40mph and I live next to a crossing which requires whistling. A lot of the time I don't even notice the train until the engineer starts whistling for the crossing just before he reaches my house with just seconds before he hits the crossing. I've even got a pretty clear view of him for at least a quarter mile before he starts whistling *and yet* most of the time I don't even hear him approaching until he starts whistling for the crossing. Mindset and focus can be dangerous things, especially if you're in the wrong mindset and are focusing on the wrong thing instead of your surroundings.
"He probably looked both ways."
This is not a highway! This is the railway and trains have a way of creeping up on people. Don't be fooled if you look down the tracks and see a train approaching in the distance and think "I've got time" because that train will always close that gap faster than you think it can. Not to mention trains can't stop very quickly because of how long it takes for the brakes to apply along the whole train and because of the tremendous amount of momentum behind these trains even at low speeds due to their sheer size and weight.
TL;DR don't be like these folks around the tracks. Don't even step up on the ballast. You should probably be even a few more paces away from the ballast to avoid any debris the train might kick up or something like a loose chain or strap. Don't stand on the tracks, even between running lines. Treat every track as "live" and always expect that there could be a train around when railfanning. No picture is worth the risk.
Every word above is true, and I might add the following: These folks are not very bright and they are trespassing on top of it. Fact is, they're too close to see or appreciate the locomotive anyway. And if enough trespasser strikes occur, the U.P. will simply eliminate steam runs altogether. This fine equipment will be tied down on grounds of safety and the crew's fine jobs abolished, never to return. The company could so easily smash what is left of the Cheyenne facilities and call the whole show history--like all other Class Is have.
What a horrible shame that one stroke of a pen would be. But disastrous or not, corporations truly love to chop costs. We are very, very fortunate to be alive and allowed to enjoy the U.P. Steam Program. Their business does not require them to entertain us--and they know it.
WAKE UP! It is so much safer and easier to follow simple directions: STAY OFF railroad property, STAND BACK 25+ feet and SEE BETTER to appreciate the program while we have it! Stop being bona fide idiots and risking everything for those of us who do comply. Instead, respect the program, the equipment and its crews. It might even save your life, which is the real idea behind all of the above.
I am in UK and sadly we also get idiots like this who rather risk their life to get a so called good shot of a loco. The famous Flying Scotsman timings now have to be kept secret until the last moment because of the number of trespassers who stand on the tracks with no clue of what may be speeding from behind them, most of our express trains now run at 125mph and are very quiet. Even on video you can tell how loud Big Boy must be. The guy laid down made me cringe. He would never hear a train on the opposite track until it was on top of him. Always remember what time is the next train? Answer Any time timetables do not mean a thing.
And let the camera's zoom lens pull in the action close to you. I've seen videos here on the 'Tube that were shot from a small hill or the road more then 50 feet away and the coverage was excellent.
And THAT is what this locomotive is supposed to sound like when running properly. Love the quality of your sound.
Love the audio on these video. The drive along the train videos are cool, but in this one you hear the engine, the pistons, the steam even. The sound of steel on steel. Every chug, clack and roar. The sound is so superb, it puts me right there.
Great to hear the Big Boy working hard. In so many videos she makes a lot less noise than much smaller British and German locos that I am most familiar with. Thanks for the explanation of the operation of the Big Boy and why the diesel loco is necessary.
Still one of my favorite 4014 videos. Thank you for sharing!
I still hope that one day the heritage diesels will get PTC, and run with 844/4014. 4014 and 6936 together would be a dream come true.
Good to see him back in the game! Glad that pesky injector was repaired.
They made repairs, but they're still having issues with it.
@@FanRailer Crap.
4014 is definitely being worked much harder than the first two trips. Everything must be worn enough now to make Ed comfortable running it a little harder.
Yes, harder but not "HARD"; still quite a lot of valve cut-off looking at the position of the radius bar in the expansion link, eg. 0:44
In many videos it seems to me they operate with a fixed cut-off setting and just vary the regulator, of course there might be a very sound operational reason for this.
They typically start with the reverser in the corner, then hook it up to about 35% when they get up to the target running speed. They're not hauling 4000-6000 tons of freight, so its more economical to run with the gear at a fixed cutoff setting and vary effort with the throttle position. At 44 seconds in, it looks like he's got the throttle open about half and the cutoff around 50-%65%. Maximum cutoff for this class of locomotive is 81%. So yes, not necessarily "HARD" with respects to what it could be doing, but for a light 1500 ton passenger consist like this, that's a decent amount of power they're using to accelerate here.
@@FanRailer Thank you, that's very interesting and informative.
@@572Btriode You have a good eye for detail. When I watch these steamers I also look at the radius bar/link section of the valve gear - walschaearts only of course :) I love these machines and their intricate and smooth "sewing machine" qualities.
Stack talk tells the story of who's doin' the work :-). Tells it beautifully, I might add...
Im going to ST Louis Missouri to see 4014 on display and hopefully meet ED Dickens but its going to be an exciting experience seeing this massive locomotive
Ditto
I caught them in Parsons, KS. on an lay-over... Austin and I had a good visit. I remember Ted from when he first came to the steam shop, the last year that Steve was running the show. Planning on catching it again, either in St. Louis or KS City..... will be the last time any of us see it again for quite a while... if ever again, unfortunately.
Such a beautiful beast! Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱.
2:27 - Wow, that sound was eerie, like from the depths of a vast otherworld coming to our reality.
Great video.
I can verify the statement in the description myself. When 4014 came through Little Rock in 2019, the SD70AH was idle the entire time.
ye i think the diesel is only for electricity for the coaches and extra breaking power if needed
@@Da_Fel Freight diesels are not equipped with HEP provisions for supplying passenger coaches with electricity. There's a dedicated generator car in the consist for that.
@@FanRailer ohhh xd
@@FanRailer And you can hear the generator running as that car (fourth from the end) goes by. Judging from the soot on the roof, there is another generator near the front which didn't sound like it was running.
You can hear the generator car as is passes the camera.
it must really be exciting to see that locomotive in person.
Some mighty fine stack talk there!
I was at the stretch between Poplar Bluff Mo and Scott City Mo. I couldn’t get the sounds of the pistons as good because I was right at the crossing and they where sounding the whistle, but you can just barely hear them.
That's why I try to stay just beyond crossings. There are already far too many clips of the locomotive with whistle blowing through crossings. The rest of us just want to hear the thing work.
@@FanRailer
Right, not some good foresight on my end. It was my first steam engine that I got to see up close. The last one that went through my area was 844, and it was during school and they made us stay a couple streets away. But I went with the crowed who was at the crossing for big boy. The crossing I was at I wouldn’t have gotten a good view of it because… trees.
Either way, I got to see it and I was satisfied.
Thank you for making these videos.
My pleasure!
Keep em coming hopefully you do a little compilation in TX/Ark.
That's the plan!
@@FanRailer Any word on if they made the necessary repairs in Shreveport? Your video gave the explanation why she got in at 7:30 instead of 5:30 and was creeping in.
They made repairs, but the injector is still giving them some issues.
@@FanRailer Long way to go between here and Cheyenne. And some big ass mountains. Hopefully she holds together and has enough power to make it home and get properly repaired. This is only her second full season out; not surprising to see some bugs (not like it is on the rails in revenue service where the bugs would manifest a lot more quickly).
@@Billhatestheinternet.... very little for mountains between St.Louis and Denver, then back north to the shop.
I have watched a lot of videos of the Big Boy...yours are the best. Here in KC, we get to have him overnight 2x this go-round. He’ll be back next week. Saw him before he headed south a couple of weeks ago, too.
Of course it won't happen this year but imagine if she hauled that train through the Ozarks on the Van Buren and Coffeyville Subs?Not easy grades on those 2 subs there.
What are the ruling grades on those subs? A 4000 is only designed to go up a maximum 2.2% grade.
Beautiful video. Thank you for sharing this information, very clear and precise!
Just great 👍 We found a spot last night. Hope we get a good shot. Will be looking for more of yours. Stay safe
Круто что восстановили этот паровоз.Печально было смотреть на этих мощного гиганта,когда он стоял в музее,беспомощной грудой металла.
Super Video capture...Dave UK
Sorry, 1500 tons is a walk in the park for a Big Boy. Have a look at the video on youtube of Challenger 3985 hauling 143 cars of double-stacked containers uphill.
I've seen that video, many times. 1500 tons is indeed a walk in the park for a 4000, but work is still required to accelerate the train from a standing stop up to 45 mph. Once at speed, 4014 can drift easy and still maintain said speed.
Great video. That's the trouble when you have a diesel in the consist. People think it couldn't pull 'that' train by itself or it's an old relic ready to break down any minute. Sadly, dieseless days are probably over w/PTC requirements. I also have to take some issue with the 4014 working hard. It was working SOME but not hard. Remember they used to pull 100+ car freight trains (4000-5000 tons) UPHILL!
Yes. Absolutely. "Hard" is relative here.
Maybe the reason people seem to think 4014 is being pushed is because in the beginning, it only seemed to work on grades. Definitely not the case now. The crew appears to be a lot more confident in 4014.
Meh. They would still bring a diesel anyway for dynamic braking and, incase of unexpected breakdowns, to push 4014 to where it's needed to go
@@anhkietduongdo Like when it had the water issue the other day. That case you could hear the diesel engine a lot louder then when it's in the idle mode when the steamer is pulling.
I thought they had added PTC.. The braking seems more about babying the equipment. 4014 pulled much heavier loads without dynamic braking. The emergency need I get, but seems like it could be solved just by having the diesel follow a few miles back.
The braking thing is to save money on brake shoes. Just the locomotive brake shoes cost $20,000 per set, and you still have the entire rest of the train to consider. Without dynamic brakes, on a 4000 mile tour like this, you could be going through more than half a dozen sets of brake shoes.
Wish UP would do a Big Boy and Challenger lash up with 844 in the pusher position. Real trains bringing in the doe.
Great video, beautiful view. Great lighting on the last scene too with the low sun! Awesome sound, I'd love to hear that whisle in real life but since I'm from Europe I have to live with vids like this. Thank you so much for sharing!
Oh btw comments saying the diesel pushes the 4014, they really don't know what they're talking about since it can't be pushed that long and that fast without having it's own power. Ignore them.
Great shots.
im going to be in chester IL saturday to see it cant wait! ive been following it sence they rebuilt it! super excited!
What time will he be arriving in cheaster il I would like to she him run
2:58 That's where I was 2 years ago I got to chase the big boy from Texarkana to Hope Arkansas
Nice UP 4014 Big Boy Steam Engine Locomotive I Saw UP 4014 Big Boy Steam Engine Hempstead Tx Aug 16
Thank you for excellent video, sound is amazing!
People just want to see the engine without a diesel. Like what 844 and 3985 did in their glory days, especially with the latter pulling 143 double stacks back in the 1990s.
Not possible now
The incident down in Louisiana would suggest that to be a really bad idea.
I dont know what you were standing on, or how you did it, but your camera placement is very good for us arm chair rail fans. Very prime video.
On top of the rental pickup. Elevation is key.
Goodness.....2:30, those people are standing way to close to the track, I was scared to death for them.
Best video I've seen so far.
This locomotive pulled mile long loaded freights up the Wasatch mountains and trains of war materials several miles long across the whole country during WWII.
These few piddly cars would be like a Peterbilt towing a baby buggy.!!!!!!!!!!!
You've got quite the imagination, Frederick. : ) The UP's 4000 class stayed between Green River and Ogden, during most of the 40's doing what they were designed and built to do.... replace two to three smaller engines up/over the Wasatch's .82% grade with "Up To" 5800 tons to Ogden. In the late 40's (late 47, early 48) most of them were re-assigned to Cheyenne, hauling freight over Harriman to Rawlins and Green River and return. There may have been one time that a 4000 pulled a multi-mile long train of Empties between Cheyenne and Omaha.
@@Romans--bo7br Wasatch eastbound ruling grade is 1.14%, so 4450 tons up the hill there for the 4000s. Otherwise correct. A few of the locomotives including the first one (4000), when delivered in 1941, after being set up in Omaha were put at the head of 100 car-long, 3000 ton empty fruit reefer drags and powered them west unassisted all the way to Ogden. I believe for a few years in the late 40s to early 50s, after being reassigned to Cheyenne, the 4000s were given trains as far east as North Platte, but not all the way to Ogden. There was a period of time around then as well that they would have ventured as far south as Denver, but it was short lived.
What is interesting is that for a few months in the mid 40s, they tested the 4000s in service on a portion of the LA-SL line near Provo. There were no permanent coaling facilities down that way, as everything was oil fired, so that did not last long. However had the war continued and the 3rd series of 4000s been ordered, those 5 locomotives would have come with enlarged tenders and been delivered as oil fired locomotives for the LA-SL district.
Excellent video.
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought another job of the diesel was to provide electric power to the other cars, something I don't think the BigBoy can do.
Freight diesels do not come with HEP provisions to supply electricity to passenger cars. There's a dedicated generator car in the consist for that.
@@FanRailer I wasn't aware of that, thanks.
How do you keep staying ahead of it ??
Careful planning and smart driving.
Where is the destination of this train?
St Louis, then Cheyenne.
Is 4014 pushing the train or is 4014 moving?
4014 *pulls* the train of course
Just curious if anyone knows how long it takes 4014’s boiler to go from cold iron to operating pressure?
If you're firing up properly, could take several days. Back when they were new, they did a test in one of the shops, and it took a few hours, but firing up from a cold start that quickly is bad for the boiler.
@@FanRailer , thanks for your answer. I can imagine it would take days. I was on a nuclear aircraft carrier and it took us about 48 hrs to build enough steam pressure to get underway. Just as an example of how long it can take to boil that much water!
@@Navyguy1990 Amazing devices, steam powered things are. Thank you for your service.
@@FanRailer , my pleasure! 😊
@@FanRailer.... Stay-bolts were known to let go when temperature rose too quickly... on Any steam locomotive. Hard on the tubes as well, in some cases.
Good morning from SE Louisiana 26 Aug 21.
I would say that the Big Boy was hardly working. With only about 1500 tons behind and on mostly flat ground it’s a piece of cake.
The volume from the stack suggests otherwise. They're pulling about 15-16 lbs back pressure accelerating and about 8-10 lbs cruising up grade at ~35-40 mph or so. In the first clip where they're accelerating out of Atlanta, the throttle is open about half and the reverse gear is down at around 50-60% cutoff. Not super hard with respect to what they used to do with freight back in the day, but for a 1500 ton train, that's pretty substantial.
@@FanRailer I think he was just starting to get into his power band a little. I have a question, does anyone know how a big boy would sound when it was REALLY pouring it on like in the old day? Not necessarily fast but really pulling hard! I bet it would really bark.
@@midsouthexpress I can only imagine slightly louder than this. Once you get above a certain back pressure threshold, additional back pressure doesn't increase volume as much. I will refer you to this video of the locomotive departing Harriman on line 3 unassisted back on the 2019 southwest tour: ua-cam.com/video/4sX1S7jH-yA/v-deo.html Note the volume of the stack during the wheelslip.
yeah,....after seeing it at the river here in denison.......somebody's gonna get hit soon.......just like 844 did......
All it needs to complete the historic picture is a caboose!
a observation car is already good
Put a mile long double stack behind her,
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'll pay 100 USD to ride a bus beside the big boy as he pulls a freight train.
這部巨無霸的老蒸汽機車，要是來台灣 我真懷疑鐵軌是否撐著住 ? 🤣😅🤣
Choo Choo…😊
so your comment suggests that the big boy is being pushed around. majority of the work/ her fair share. tragic. all that cash and not even pulling these short trains solo. all across europe/uk and even africa the steam locos can handle their own trains. but not the uber powerful one.
as for dynamic braking, why wasnt that an issue in the 90s/early 2000s. and does it depend on train length. ive had people tell me 844 gets pushed because re braking because the train is both too long/too short. as if its one big goldilocks operation. to think up wanted 3000usd to travel behind the big boy couple years back to get a diesel shove...
My comment literally suggests the opposite of what you just said.... might want to double check your reading comprehension there, buddy.
Work hard? Really? I think, this Loco never has to work hard with this train. 12 cars weighting perhaps little more than 50 tons.. It's nothing. This Loco is build to pull freight trains of several thousand tons.