It would be interesting, a series of interlocking books that link together chronologically, we would start out with with razil’s decent to to dredgen yor, the next book could be about shin malphurs ascent into “the man with the golden gun” and after that it could be a joint story about cayde, ikora and zavala. Maybe something about osiris and saint 14 too! And the last book series could be about our guardian, with each book being a little different to suit each class, race and gender. So the story would follow your character if you picked the book for a male exo hunter or a female awoken titan.
Unrelated to sword logic, but has anyone ever noticed that destiny makes references to twinkle twinkle little star about Ghost? On the first Venus mission, The Stranger calls your ghost "little light", which if you look up the full poem is in there. Could be part of a larger connection, if you read the entire thing with the Traveler's story in mind. Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Up above the world so high, Like a diamond in the sky. When the blazing sun is gone, When he nothing shines upon, Then you show your little light, Twinkle, twinkle, all the night. Then the traveler in the dark Thanks you for your tiny spark, How could he see where to go, If you did not twinkle so? In the dark blue sky you keep, Often through my curtains peep For you never shut your eye, Till the sun is in the sky. As your bright and tiny spark Lights the traveler in the dark, Though I know not what you are, Twinkle, twinkle, little star.
What do you guys think? Should I do some Star Wars Lore with Battlefront? You know I read all the comments and I would love to hear your opinion :) More details at the end of the video. PS I had to film this on the PS4, sorry, my laptop broke!!
+Acolytegaming flick me an email at myelingames@gmail.com Anyone that provides help, I am happy to give shoutouts on the channel and also provide some advice on their youtube channel.
it also mentions in the latter part of the book of sorrow. About how Crota accidentaly led the Vex into their world in the process of experimenting on how to get a new power. A Mind called Quria, the Blade Transform, understood the sword logic. The verse said that it needs to kill everything to become powerful. verse 4:9 from the book of sorrow
Everyone! Sorry for the low volume, my laptop broke, consequently I am working off an old PC plugged into a TV!! I know, looks pretty funny, I am sitting in front of a tv to make this video. Consequently, my volume was coming through the TV so it sounded fine on my end, however, for those normal people using a phone, tablet or laptop, it may be hard to hear. Will try to resolve for next one.
It was a real blast playing with you and i love how the video turned out. As for doing star wars lore you definitely have the capability to do it and id personally be interested in it because i always enjoyed star wars but never got super in depth with the lore. I am sure that no one will mind as long as you continue doing destiny videos.
I just wanted to take the time to leave a comment saying thanks for your hard work and great videos. I find the Destiny lore extremely interesting, but I don't have time nor the patience to go through all of the cards. So again thank you for providing me and every destiny fan a way to experience this games great world and stories.
I love your Destiny Lore because, even though I'm an avid Destiny fan/player, the lore is kind of hard to sort through on my own! I don't think I, or many others, have this problem with Star Wars. But, if you want to, and it makes you happy, then do it for sure!
I would love Star Wars videos just as long as they are just as high quality and enjoyable as your destiny lore videos. I recently found your channel and love your videos, keep up the good work
I think that the basic principle of Sword Logic granting strength is (at least partially) proved by the most fundamental of game mechanics - earning experience and levelling up.
A bit late, but I would love Star Wars videos. Not enough people know about the massive Star Wars universe, and this background information is crucial. I'd say go for it, and I would be honored to proof your scripts to the best of my ability. I've grown up with Star Wars, and I recommend it with all my heart to you to love and enjoy!
we gamers are experts of sword logic: kill a shit ton of things and get exp, more exp you have the more powerfull you get. (and the loot is what represents the creature we kill in destiny : kill crota and ya get his word for example)
+BIGSLAY honestly, that was extremely fun! if you are feeling bored in destiny, take a bunch of people into CE with swords only! however, you will need some bolt caster to down crota :(
YES!! Myelin i would love your videos already and i would be more than happy to have you branch out into other games. This seems really fun, you my support 100%
+Angel Castillo thanks for the support. Me too, I feel excited and nervous to try something else, however I really like the idea of having destiny as the base for the channel and other sci-fi games as additions. it is also refreshing for me and in fact improves my writing. A lot of the skills I use for destiny, I actually got from writing Bloodborne lore
I really enjoy your videos, much needed in the destiny universe. If you were to make star wars videos as well that's awesome. Your well researched story telling is on point and satisfying. Thanks again!
Myelin, I think it would be great for you to balance both Star Wars and Destiny lore. Keep up the good work! These are the best Destiny lore videos I can find.
+LoftedPanda0 thanks for your thoughts. I think Destiny lore will always be a regularly video on the channel but could be quite refreshing to dabble in some other areas with new games on the horizon. Especially, next year!!
Another amazing video and I would watch any video you put, I just wanna say thank you for putting so much time and effort in your videos it's makes it so much better and also I hope you do well because you deserve it :)
Keep it up Myelin, your videos are awesome. I love your style and your clarity. It would be great if you could do a battlefront lore series as it would help people like me (battlefront 3 will be my 1st starwars game and while i've seen the movies i'm not that familiar with the universe) get up to speed with the universe.
Hey Myelin. I think doing a variety of game loves would be a positive for the channel. I honestly love Star Wars as much as I do destiny. So I am keen on the idea of Star Wars lore. But. I also think that having a balance between destiny and Star Wars is vital. I honestly am excited by the idea you have presented. As always. Keep up the great work.
Great video as always,I think the sword logic gives u power but there is logic,no pun intended, in the other one,I think the part where Oryx is ordered to kill his children can be interprated as training ones bloodlust, but i got nothing on the third verse where u prove it.
I think sword logic itself is the philosophy, hence the ‘logic’ and it is proven by being as ruthless and absolute as possible. Whittling the universe down to its simplest and most perfect form - just as a sword would. The power gained from the sword logic may be linked to the hive worms as they feed on death. If the light lives in all places and all things as the speaker mentions it would be correct to assume that worms feed on that and gain power from devouring the light, being creatures of the dark.
ok so I've got a theory on Toland and her rock so if you look into some off the ttk lore you will find out Toland's not dead in fact he is in a realm beyond the netherworlds he which is mentioned by eris in the mission where you turn invisible he learnt the death singers song as well when he is in this new realm he has being sending us notes in the lore this started once oryx arrived he new before us and told eris fell and eris' rock s started speaking when oryx arrived it think eris' rock allows her to speak to Toland from his realm
+mr total war I completely agree that Toland is speaking with us through the grimoire cards. I have never thought about much about Eris's rock/shard, that is a good idea.. I really should make a vid on that :) hahhaha just saw your other comment
Great video, I don't really have any corrections or disagreements. While I do completely agree that the sword logic does make you stronger by killing, I do think the ultra-Darwinian "if I killed you, then you didn't deserve to live. If you can't kill me, I deserve to live," is an important part of it as well. It's not just a method, but a philosophy they use to weed out the unworthy for the completion of the final shape. Another thing about the Sword Logic is that it seems to be physical law in the throne worlds/netherworlds, as reinforced by Toland saying "Understand that this nightmare logic underpins His nightmare world," and by Quria's methods during the Vex invasion of the throneworld. I'm no t really interested in Star Wars lore, but I have no problem with you doing them. As for the infamous final scene of the Taken King, I believe I have an explanation backed by many grimoire cards and cutscene dialogue. This thread is primarily about understanding the Awoken and beyond veil (Mara Sov, the head techeun, the FWC machine, and Vex gate networks all go beyond the veil, possibly the location of the Darkness and the Black Garden), but I do cover the queen and Eris collaborating in one of the comments (it's linked in the OP for quick access): www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/171885380/0/0
Meeeeyyyyyliiiiin! i fuckin love your videos dude! i think i have an explaination for the final cutscene! i believe the majority of the destiny community understands that what happened during thar cutscene is oryx teleporting himself into the ascended world! he cut space-time and "walked" through a wormhole betwen dimentions. he just did it a bit differently (according to the grimoire, for the hive to travel through space-time they must "swing the Sword and cut space into green fire and screams"). furthermore i dont remember seeing a hive teleporting to the ascended world just like that! they had to "die" like Crota! we had to destroy his soul inside the crystal. then he went to his throne at the ascended world! we didnt kill Oryx at the "real" world! He felt weaker and desided to go to his throne to prepare! so my cunclusion is the Darkness (along with all the awesome powers It gave him) It gifted him with the power to fully control the Willbreaker, his Sword! It gave him the power to control what the Sword holds, witch is pure strength of those it killed and use it in any way! so, what im trying to say is that, Oryx secreficed his Sword to go to his ascended throne but there still is a question! why didnt he died in the real world an then just go to the ascended world WITH his Sword and chose to go WITHOUT It? maybe because He thought that He didnt had the sword logic to kill as and bring us to his stage without much effort from his side! anyway i cant wait to hear your thoughts on the subject on video! much love! keep working hard! we love your content!
I believe that the second logic of the sword that reference death giving you power only applies to the hive swords where they get a super slam with time and kills
So what you're saying to Guardians is; "It's simple! We kill the Traveler!" Gotcha. Also, I'm enjoying your lore videos very much. Your hard work and research is inspirational. The Destiny community thanks you!
I forgot to add. Star Wars will wxpand your horizons, gain you extra viewers and your channel will grow exponentially. However I'd be concerned about how stringent Star wars fans are on the accuracy of their lore. And secondly, will this effect your work on Destiny content? Delaying it and such?
+THE BLACK VVOLF hi, thanks for the advice. THey are my exact concerns to. I think to combat this, I would have to ensure that I do not rush videos, a rushed poorly formulated video would be more damaging to the channel than nothing at all. My plan is to continue with at least x1 destiny lore video per week and to ensure that it continues. SO it may replace one Destiny video, however I have had some good suggestions, to do alternate weeks i.e. x2 Destiny lore, x1 Destiny + x1 Star Wars. This could work nicely, as it will probably take a good couple weeks to write a script for star wars
I think starwars lore would be awesome, if it is with Destiny lore too, also I read the entire book of sorrows after the first lore video, it was awesome and I'm glad you brought this to my attention, Thanks.
I believe that the card ghost fragment: hive 3 is toland deducing the sword logic, just like oryx did. Could this perhaps allow him to become ascendant, since he has also spent time mapping the hive throne worlds?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when oryx says " I will learn all the secrets of our destiny" at 12:21 that's only the second time the word destiny is used in all of the grimore cards right? The first being in a grimore card on dredgen Yor, again if I am remembering correctly. Weird that both are from someone with close association to the darkness
+45Thawk yes exactly. Well, it also appeared in Verse 1.0 the fundament. But once again, linked to Oryx, Osmiums etc. I have never really tried to understand the significance of this, but you are right
i love your lore videos so much i think it would be good for you to do that, since you wanted a star wars fanatic to approve you videos i could help you with that i first watched when i was 2 and i know everything about it, it would be very interesting for you to do lore about obscure stuff like the mandalorian wars or naga shadow so i could help you with but other then that go for it!
The sword logic seems to be a mix of both. sword logic does not make you more powerful physically, but in a way, it proves you are worthy. In oryx's dimension however, the sword logic is physics. Killing literally makes you more powerful. The more you prove yourself and kill, the stronger you are. Such is the war priest and oryx himself. You cannot fight oryx until you prove yourself with the sword logic.
It is the same with killing Crota. Gatekeepers and Crota himself are so powerful that they cannot be damaged until you prove yourself worthy by killing a sword bearer and stealing his power.
+Spark1383 I agree, I am going to look at the raid after the book of sorrows, but yeah I agree with you with proving yourself before moving on to the next stage.
Star Wars is very interesting but I find that Destiny lore is more interesting! Star Wars is Star Wars and it's cool and all but knowing more in Destiny seems more impactful to me, because we already have a lot more context for Star Wars than Destiny. This was a great episode and I'm glad you share my opinion about the Sword Logic and it is very easy to explain why it is the answer. The Sword logic feeds the worm, the worm takes more, grows bigger and demends more. Hence we defeated and consumed our enemy, but since Guardians are not based on Worms we don't become Oryx haha. Great video btw! Love it. My question for you is: I would love to know more about the so called "Deep" and "Sky" but I think those concepts would come along as the "bigger picture" in this universe, similarly as we got the bigger picture in Mass Effect. So maybe we would get that closer to the ending of the Destiny universe, maybe 9 or so years from now with their final releases. What do you think?
+15liran Awesome man, I agree with your interpretatino with how the guardians fit in to the picture. The Deep and the Sky have very little information about them, apart from their always being a cosmic war. I dont know if bungie will reveal more details about this, it may stay like that. As I feel it is another comment about our own world.... we keep fighting and continuing war, long after we have forgotten the reason. Great point about the nine, they sort of slipped off the radar completely, and Xur. I really thoughout there would be more info on Xur
I believe that the doctrine of sword logic creates the natural law of sword logic within the hive world. So you use the doctrine to prove your strength, your ability to make your will reality, and in proving you are more powerful, you then create the natural law of sword logic and become more powerful.
I've just done a binge on destiny lore, absolutely love it, your videos are great man! Can't wait to paraphrase some of the books of sorrow to all the flies i swat with magazines. If i can kill you, little fly, then you deserve to die. Haha. Evil as hell those worms (or wyrms) are though, so i wont actually quote them. Wonder if we'll ever get to encounter the deep itself, what on earth would it even be? Anyway, long live The Sky, The Traveler and The Guardians. I don't believe a word of this "the traveler is evil" stuff, though i respect the theories.
Hello myelin looking back at destiny lore specifically thrown world's sword logic and other ways of being able to open thrown world's Reason being dul incaru
Personally and through a lot of research in the book of sorrow I have deduced that; sword logic is the process by which the hive gain and distribute power, for instance: the worm in the hive is connected to the deep/ darkness and thus funnels immortality and power to its host via a price of tribute, tribute being light gained through killing. Evidence for this is that "light lives in all things, in all places". When a being is killed the light of that being is funnelled into the host and devoured by the worm inside them, this devouring is linked to the deep and thus the Deep gives them immortality and power. I believe it works like this as it reinforces what the darkness wants: a universe of utter perfection, and if you cannot kill enough to sustain your worm your obviously not equipped for this universe. Thus the Deep is satiated and the worm hungers on. AIAT
And as for Auryx killing akka and becoming oryx via the sword logic or Auryx killing his sisters and gaining power. I believe that all the power that they have aquifer during their immortality and lifetime will be devoured by their destroyer thus you can cheat the system of tribute by; a thrall somehow killing a knight and thus gaining all of their power and ascending the ranks with a single murder.
Wait, you said that the hive used swords to cut in and establish thrones in the "afterlife" right? So doesn't that completely explain how the taken work? Oryx simply waits until they die or kills enemies and when they are "taken" they are brought back?
Like you I find the Star Wars lore fascinating, I can only see battlefront be the game that can pull me away from destiny, for how long I'm not sure. Regardless of which lore you choose to do I will keep watching.
+Ryan Matthews I am in the same boat :) I am unlikely to play CoD. Then again, maybe just for Zombies only, however I would likely only play with my friends on a Friday night (everyone bring your TVs and PS4s to my place lol). However, Star Wars will draw my attention! I am a big fan of Battlefield 4 and played that game a lot! So excited to play a game with a sci-fi Universe!
Another awesome video dude! If you were to do Star Wars lore I would consider watching them as you deliver lore in a great format. I have never been interested in SW lore as in my eyes it's just the over saturated franchise that refuses to die but maybe you can get me interested...we'll see.
Personally, I think I would enjoy your channel more as one that specialized in Destiny lore. I think the introduction of other universes would be overwhelming. However, I can easily see the appeal of wanting to grow and expand to different universes like star wars.
+Jeebus I do agree, it is really hard to develop other areas and huge challenge, whilst still maintaining quality Destiny content. I actually have done this in the past, without much success, so hopefully can learn from those mistakes. thanks for the hones opinion
definitely go for it your Lore videos are phenomenal and I believe that you will do the proper research for the video and seek help if needed on top of that like you said in your video just now Star Wars can get deep and complicated which is interesting
So you know how in the dark below we were 'properly' introduced into Toland, he talked about the three goddesses, do you think he was talking about the three ozmium queens after all there was one who studied, one who raised an army and one who becomes smarter not to mention he also said the weaker one died...Auryx?
+animegirl224 I am still deciding on that, I had the same thought. It seems to be the best answer so far. especially since it was narrated by Toland, and we suspect he went into the hive netherworld
The sword getting more powerfull is also reinforced by the mission the sword of Crota,where i think Toland sais something about it absorbing power and also later in the mission ur ghost sais its tracking the sword by the light of the guardians its killed,but how could the light be there if Crota derped around the moon killing guardians at least a century ago as most of Crotas story is forgoten and it is Erys who tells the vanguard most of the info.
Love Star Wars myself, lol, use to read and release the old lore and timelines of the former EU. And relatively interested in what will come about with the new canon, if you use Wookipedia that be a good start, they are good at keeping up with canon material.
Yeah, that's where I go for most of my Star Wars info. If you'd like, I can program your stuff, lol. I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to Star Wars :p. Make sure your using the Canon tab at the top and not the Legends tab.
I think it would be a good idea. I've always wanted to about star wars but I always feel overwhelmed with the lore. Especially if it doesn't intrude on destiny lore videos. I won't be playing the game so it would be even more beneficial for me.
Hey Myelin, if you decide to make the star wars lore, I would be glad to help you. I am a major Star Wars geek and would love to help you with your videos should you chose to do them. I also have some interesting theories on the new movie you might want to include if you mention it. Anyways, like I said, I would love to help you, I have a wide range of knowledge of Star Wars (You would not believe the hours I have spent on the wiki. XD) especially concerning the Sith, I also have some speculation. And of course, great vid as usual!
+Myelin Games Yeah sure. BTW You will love Star Wars lore! The expanded universe (Everything that told the story of Star Wars besides the movies) Is HUGE! And I can never get enough of it.
At 1 in the morning I'm having a brain fart about sword logic. I'm realising that it's a very real concept that can be applied to our lives (be prepared for crazy philosophy shit here). from my understanding of sword logic, one must constantly battle it's oposite form in order to survive, much like how oryx is a force of darkness that wages war against the light. if he is to fail in is campaign and is defeated then he will be consumed. If you think about it this is a very true concept of life. take someone battling with depression for example, for one reason or another they are (to put it mildly) unhappy. they have 2 oposing forces that are fighting to take the person, the dark and the light, happiness and sadness. in order to gain one you must defeat the other, much like how a guardian can become corrupted, and consumed by the darkness, this too could happen to someone falling into sadness, it can consume them if not fought. such as dredgen yor, he fought the darkness for many years and had the love of the people, but inside he was broken and he let the darkness take him and change him. then you have our own guardians on the other side of the spectrum, who were brought back having no memory of who they were or what had happened, and ended up rising above everything that faced them and defeated a god. from the way I see it we are guardians, we might not be fighting the hive or the fallen, but we each have both light and darkness inside us. in the end it's what we choose to do and how we see ourselves that determines whether our light shines like the traveller itself, or is taken by the darkness. sorry if that was too deep for a UA-cam comment, just wanted to share my thoughts. may the light guide you fellow guardians.
+N7 OVERLORDZ thanks for the comment, much appreciated. I agree with the constant battle between opposing forces, however i also think that too have balance you need both forces. To be happy you need to know what it is like to feel sad.
wow. I'm blown away. You describe the struggle of those of us that battle every day with the darkness very well. equating it to the Destiny universe in such a way helps visualize the constant fight one has on a daily basis. never apologize for going deep, no matter where you are or what you are doing. going deep is a lost art these days and nowhere appreciated like it once was.
+nukeboy2803 Gaming videos (nukeboy 2803) I wish, I wish, I played the previous Fallouts and Halo! I feel like I have too much to catch up on and would make mistakes. Halo would be great but man, they have books I would have to read too. lol
Destiny would be the the best book ever
Ronaldson Joseph HELL YEAH IT WOULD!
then someday an HBO series
well now it is lmao
It would be interesting, a series of interlocking books that link together chronologically, we would start out with with razil’s decent to to dredgen yor, the next book could be about shin malphurs ascent into “the man with the golden gun” and after that it could be a joint story about cayde, ikora and zavala. Maybe something about osiris and saint 14 too! And the last book series could be about our guardian, with each book being a little different to suit each class, race and gender. So the story would follow your character if you picked the book for a male exo hunter or a female awoken titan.
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Unrelated to sword logic, but has anyone ever noticed that destiny makes references to twinkle twinkle little star about Ghost? On the first Venus mission, The Stranger calls your ghost "little light", which if you look up the full poem is in there. Could be part of a larger connection, if you read the entire thing with the Traveler's story in mind.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!
Up above the world so high,
Like a diamond in the sky.
When the blazing sun is gone,
When he nothing shines upon,
Then you show your little light,
Twinkle, twinkle, all the night.
Then the traveler in the dark
Thanks you for your tiny spark,
How could he see where to go,
If you did not twinkle so?
In the dark blue sky you keep,
Often through my curtains peep
For you never shut your eye,
Till the sun is in the sky.
As your bright and tiny spark
Lights the traveler in the dark,
Though I know not what you are,
Twinkle, twinkle, little star.
+Katelynn Murphy Wow... that's pretty uncanny
that is..... hmmm something to consider. Good observation
That's pretty awesome. I never thought of that.
...woah
Katelynn Murphy holy shit mate, got up to the first mention of the traveler and was like wtf... this is actually pretty plausible
No, sword logic is needing huge ass bullets to use a blade
Ahaha pmsl
What do you guys think? Should I do some Star Wars Lore with Battlefront? You know I read all the comments and I would love to hear your opinion :) More details at the end of the video. PS I had to film this on the PS4, sorry, my laptop broke!!
+Coporeal Kracken great idea man. Sounds good to me.
+Acolytegaming flick me an email at myelingames@gmail.com Anyone that provides help, I am happy to give shoutouts on the channel and also provide some advice on their youtube channel.
+Myelin Games Star wars Battle Front = FUUUUCK YEEEEEEES
I've been a fan of starwars since I was 6 I would love to see what you do with the universe
that would be pretty cool
it also mentions in the latter part of the book of sorrow. About how Crota accidentaly led the Vex into their world in the process of experimenting on how to get a new power. A Mind called Quria, the Blade Transform, understood the sword logic. The verse said that it needs to kill everything to become powerful. verse 4:9 from the book of sorrow
Everyone! Sorry for the low volume, my laptop broke, consequently I am working off an old PC plugged into a TV!! I know, looks pretty funny, I am sitting in front of a tv to make this video. Consequently, my volume was coming through the TV so it sounded fine on my end, however, for those normal people using a phone, tablet or laptop, it may be hard to hear. Will try to resolve for next one.
I am waiting for more Sword Logic lore for when the “Taken Queen” comes out in D2
Do i have some news for you..
luxurious_pain I am aware of Witch Queen expansion
Conglaturations, you’re more consistent than Osiris
Will the Yeet Lord, Lord of all Yeet thank you XD
This aged wonderfully
Also, thanks to TIREFRIER and jlp7797 who joined my playstation community and helped film this! So much fun! thanks guys
It was a real blast playing with you and i love how the video turned out. As for doing star wars lore you definitely have the capability to do it and id personally be interested in it because i always enjoyed star wars but never got super in depth with the lore. I am sure that no one will mind as long as you continue doing destiny videos.
In the end it is your chanel and the reason chanels like this are so good is because youre doing what you enjoy
+Daylon Orr thanks Daylon, and thanks for helping out, much appreciated! Which one is your gamer tag, TIRE or JLP?
+Myelin Games im tire. Have any ideas for your next video?
+Myelin Games What is the "Sky" and why is it on par with the deep?
I just wanted to take the time to leave a comment saying thanks for your hard work and great videos. I find the Destiny lore extremely interesting, but I don't have time nor the patience to go through all of the cards. So again thank you for providing me and every destiny fan a way to experience this games great world and stories.
Thanks for the comment. Every comment personally inspires me to keep making content, so thank you! This community is extremely supportive!
I really sat here, looked at your profile, and thought it said "Ariana Grande".
Star Wars lore would be awesome but I will continue visiting your channel for the amazing destiny lore.
I love your Destiny Lore because, even though I'm an avid Destiny fan/player, the lore is kind of hard to sort through on my own! I don't think I, or many others, have this problem with Star Wars. But, if you want to, and it makes you happy, then do it for sure!
+Cory Richardson opinion much appreciated cory and thanks for all the comments
I think you should make lore videos on anything you want. This channel is my absolute favorite, keep up the good work
+Henry Lesser thanks for the kind words, much appreciated.
Just more more more destiny lore please
I would love Star Wars videos just as long as they are just as high quality and enjoyable as your destiny lore videos.
I recently found your channel and love your videos, keep up the good work
I'm surprised destiny doesn't have a novel series at this point. Theres so much lore behind it.
"So much" is an understatement
I think that the basic principle of Sword Logic granting strength is (at least partially) proved by the most fundamental of game mechanics - earning experience and levelling up.
A bit late, but I would love Star Wars videos. Not enough people know about the massive Star Wars universe, and this background information is crucial. I'd say go for it, and I would be honored to proof your scripts to the best of my ability. I've grown up with Star Wars, and I recommend it with all my heart to you to love and enjoy!
Absolutely I am a huge star wars fan and would love to learn about the Star Wars universe even more.
Thank you so much myelin you always leave me so immersed in the richness of destiny lore keep up the good work
It'd be awesome to see Star Wars lore as well as your fantastic destiny videos! Also, marvelous video as always!
+Slimreaper13 thanks reaper :) Your comments are always great, yet your profile pic is scary as hell
we gamers are experts of sword logic: kill a shit ton of things and get exp, more exp you have the more powerfull you get.
(and the loot is what represents the creature we kill in destiny : kill crota and ya get his word for example)
Love the fact that you played crota's end made the video even better.
+BIGSLAY honestly, that was extremely fun! if you are feeling bored in destiny, take a bunch of people into CE with swords only! however, you will need some bolt caster to down crota :(
That sounds fun. Will do soon
I've seen lots of Destiny lore videos and you definitely make my favorite ! I'm sure your star wars videos would be great, too.
+fastrunnerny3 thanks man, that is a huge compliment, there are some pretty talented youtubers out there!
yes you should it is a very good idea and I love your videos being submersed in the pure lore of destiny is amazing
YES!! Myelin i would love your videos already and i would be more than happy to have you branch out into other games. This seems really fun, you my support 100%
+Angel Castillo thanks for the support. Me too, I feel excited and nervous to try something else, however I really like the idea of having destiny as the base for the channel and other sci-fi games as additions. it is also refreshing for me and in fact improves my writing. A lot of the skills I use for destiny, I actually got from writing Bloodborne lore
I really enjoy your videos, much needed in the destiny universe. If you were to make star wars videos as well that's awesome. Your well researched story telling is on point and satisfying. Thanks again!
+Hunter Blake Cheers Hunter!
I'll watch any lore vids you make dude. keep up the great work!
Myelin, I think it would be great for you to balance both Star Wars and Destiny lore. Keep up the good work! These are the best Destiny lore videos I can find.
+LoftedPanda0 thanks for your thoughts. I think Destiny lore will always be a regularly video on the channel but could be quite refreshing to dabble in some other areas with new games on the horizon. Especially, next year!!
Do whatever you want, I'll be here to support you :)
Another amazing video and I would watch any video you put, I just wanna say thank you for putting so much time and effort in your videos it's makes it so much better and also I hope you do well because you deserve it :)
Myelin you never cease to amaze me bro
Thankyou sir
Keep it up Myelin, your videos are awesome. I love your style and your clarity. It would be great if you could do a battlefront lore series as it would help people like me (battlefront 3 will be my 1st starwars game and while i've seen the movies i'm not that familiar with the universe) get up to speed with the universe.
I love your schedule it makes my Mondays great :)
I know that bungie pulls from alot of references but this whole darkness and the deep looks like its coming from Genesis 1:2.
Hey Myelin. I think doing a variety of game loves would be a positive for the channel. I honestly love Star Wars as much as I do destiny. So I am keen on the idea of Star Wars lore. But. I also think that having a balance between destiny and Star Wars is vital. I honestly am excited by the idea you have presented. As always. Keep up the great work.
+Aidan Blackley yep, definitely a balance. dude, I am getting excited just looking into some star war things.... also very intimidated
Love your videos dude! Keep them coming!
+DudeShadow thanks shadow. Will do :)
My favorite destiny lore channel, another great video Myelin!
(and may the sword logic be with you) ;;;;-)
+BusyJimmy hahah. Saber logic?
Great video as always,I think the sword logic gives u power but there is logic,no pun intended, in the other one,I think the part where Oryx is ordered to kill his children can be interprated as training ones bloodlust, but i got nothing on the third verse where u prove it.
I think sword logic itself is the philosophy, hence the ‘logic’ and it is proven by being as ruthless and absolute as possible. Whittling the universe down to its simplest and most perfect form - just as a sword would. The power gained from the sword logic may be linked to the hive worms as they feed on death.
If the light lives in all places and all things as the speaker mentions it would be correct to assume that worms feed on that and gain power from devouring the light, being creatures of the dark.
ok so I've got a theory on Toland and her rock so if you look into some off the ttk lore you will find out Toland's not dead in fact he is in a realm beyond the netherworlds he which is mentioned by eris in the mission where you turn invisible he learnt the death singers song as well when he is in this new realm he has being sending us notes in the lore this started once oryx arrived he new before us and told eris fell and eris' rock s started speaking when oryx arrived it think eris' rock allows her to speak to Toland from his realm
+mr total war I completely agree that Toland is speaking with us through the grimoire cards. I have never thought about much about Eris's rock/shard, that is a good idea.. I really should make a vid on that :) hahhaha just saw your other comment
Toland is a guy Dumbass. "Toland and HER rock" Should specify who is "Her". Never suspect everyone knows what you know.
vampireguy24 by her I mean eris if I said her rock I meant eris' rock I'm not the dumb ass here
+mr total war Then you should've said Eris and her rock!
always high quality content man whatever the method of recording
I think you should do it because there is a whole lot of storyline we haven't discovered yet. I can't wait to hear about what you find.
Great video, I don't really have any corrections or disagreements. While I do completely agree that the sword logic does make you stronger by killing, I do think the ultra-Darwinian "if I killed you, then you didn't deserve to live. If you can't kill me, I deserve to live," is an important part of it as well. It's not just a method, but a philosophy they use to weed out the unworthy for the completion of the final shape. Another thing about the Sword Logic is that it seems to be physical law in the throne worlds/netherworlds, as reinforced by Toland saying "Understand that this nightmare logic underpins His nightmare world," and by Quria's methods during the Vex invasion of the throneworld.
I'm no t really interested in Star Wars lore, but I have no problem with you doing them.
As for the infamous final scene of the Taken King, I believe I have an explanation backed by many grimoire cards and cutscene dialogue. This thread is primarily about understanding the Awoken and beyond veil (Mara Sov, the head techeun, the FWC machine, and Vex gate networks all go beyond the veil, possibly the location of the Darkness and the Black Garden), but I do cover the queen and Eris collaborating in one of the comments (it's linked in the OP for quick access): www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/171885380/0/0
very well done, this is the first video of yours I've watched and I enjoyed it, good job.
+BM HAVOK thanks! and welcome to the channel, hope you enjoy :)
Meeeeyyyyyliiiiin! i fuckin love your videos dude! i think i have an explaination for the final cutscene! i believe the majority of the destiny community understands that what happened during thar cutscene is oryx teleporting himself into the ascended world! he cut space-time and "walked" through a wormhole betwen dimentions. he just did it a bit differently (according to the grimoire, for the hive to travel through space-time they must "swing the Sword and cut space into green fire and screams"). furthermore i dont remember seeing a hive teleporting to the ascended world just like that! they had to "die" like Crota! we had to destroy his soul inside the crystal. then he went to his throne at the ascended world! we didnt kill Oryx at the "real" world! He felt weaker and desided to go to his throne to prepare!
so my cunclusion is the Darkness (along with all the awesome powers It gave him) It gifted him with the power to fully control the Willbreaker, his Sword! It gave him the power to control what the Sword holds, witch is pure strength of those it killed and use it in any way! so, what im trying to say is that, Oryx secreficed his Sword to go to his ascended throne
but there still is a question! why didnt he died in the real world an then just go to the ascended world WITH his Sword and chose to go WITHOUT It? maybe because He thought that He didnt had the sword logic to kill as and bring us to his stage without much effort from his side! anyway i cant wait to hear your thoughts on the subject on video! much love! keep working hard! we love your content!
I believe that the second logic of the sword that reference death giving you power only applies to the hive swords where they get a super slam with time and kills
Hey man it's your channel you do whatever you want. I really enjoy your lore videos. If anyone can do it on Star Wars you can.
+jdragon W thanks for the inspiration :)
akka is dead but far from gone.
akka was pleased with oryx.
10 points for Myelin Games! And Star Wars lores would be amazing!
+Halfbloodification hehehe
For the longest time, with out context, I thought I your videos you kept saying Salt logic. And I was highly confused until I saw this lol
So what you're saying to Guardians is; "It's simple! We kill the Traveler!"
Gotcha.
Also, I'm enjoying your lore videos very much. Your hard work and research is inspirational. The Destiny community thanks you!
I forgot to add. Star Wars will wxpand your horizons, gain you extra viewers and your channel will grow exponentially. However I'd be concerned about how stringent Star wars fans are on the accuracy of their lore. And secondly, will this effect your work on Destiny content? Delaying it and such?
+THE BLACK VVOLF hi, thanks for the advice. THey are my exact concerns to. I think to combat this, I would have to ensure that I do not rush videos, a rushed poorly formulated video would be more damaging to the channel than nothing at all. My plan is to continue with at least x1 destiny lore video per week and to ensure that it continues. SO it may replace one Destiny video, however I have had some good suggestions, to do alternate weeks i.e. x2 Destiny lore, x1 Destiny + x1 Star Wars. This could work nicely, as it will probably take a good couple weeks to write a script for star wars
I think starwars lore would be awesome, if it is with Destiny lore too, also I read the entire book of sorrows after the first lore video, it was awesome and I'm glad you brought this to my attention, Thanks.
+Gary DeVilbiss pretty good right, explains a lot! the only thing left un-explained now, is still the Exos
Dude, you're the best. As long as you keep producing quality videos, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
+Josh August hahah thanks josh :)
another amazing vid man keep up the amazing and i mean amazing videos
+Ivan Salinas cheers IVan!
Thanks man it mean a lot
I believe that the card ghost fragment: hive 3 is toland deducing the sword logic, just like oryx did. Could this perhaps allow him to become ascendant, since he has also spent time mapping the hive throne worlds?
Yes!! Definitely do Star Wars lore! That would be awesome!!
i love your videos and i feel u could make great star wars lore videos since i am a great star wars fan and a great fan of u
+Ross Patterson thanks for the kind words Ross!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when oryx says " I will learn all the secrets of our destiny" at 12:21 that's only the second time the word destiny is used in all of the grimore cards right? The first being in a grimore card on dredgen Yor, again if I am remembering correctly. Weird that both are from someone with close association to the darkness
I think my dredgen has a worm theory is becoming more of a possibility
+45Thawk yes exactly. Well, it also appeared in Verse 1.0 the fundament. But once again, linked to Oryx, Osmiums etc. I have never really tried to understand the significance of this, but you are right
This makes me wonder. Since the Traveler was struck down by Rasputin, did Rasputin gain any Light power through the Sword Logic?
Maybe this is hoping too much, but this makes me want to become a follower of the Sword Logic in Destiny 2
i love your lore videos so much i think it would be good for you to do that, since you wanted a star wars fanatic to approve you videos i could help you with that i first watched when i was 2 and i know everything about it, it would be very interesting for you to do lore about obscure stuff like the mandalorian wars or naga shadow so i could help you with but other then that go for it!
Hey bob! Thanks i saw your email, will keep in touch :)
"Victory is the underlying truth, that you deserve to exist".
I am not dead, remember the sword logic....
To challenge is to worship
Oryx WILL return
I would love to have that addition. I don't think any of us subs feel like you would not do it justice, I don't feel that way. Full steam ahead
Thanks for the support. Man, i got to start researching!
love the channel and I think the star wars lore is a good idea. Destiny lore is going to be running thin for awhile anyway.
The sword logic seems to be a mix of both. sword logic does not make you more powerful physically, but in a way, it proves you are worthy. In oryx's dimension however, the sword logic is physics. Killing literally makes you more powerful. The more you prove yourself and kill, the stronger you are. Such is the war priest and oryx himself. You cannot fight oryx until you prove yourself with the sword logic.
It is the same with killing Crota. Gatekeepers and Crota himself are so powerful that they cannot be damaged until you prove yourself worthy by killing a sword bearer and stealing his power.
+Spark1383 I agree, I am going to look at the raid after the book of sorrows, but yeah I agree with you with proving yourself before moving on to the next stage.
Star Wars is very interesting but I find that Destiny lore is more interesting! Star Wars is Star Wars and it's cool and all but knowing more in Destiny seems more impactful to me, because we already have a lot more context for Star Wars than Destiny. This was a great episode and I'm glad you share my opinion about the Sword Logic and it is very easy to explain why it is the answer.
The Sword logic feeds the worm, the worm takes more, grows bigger and demends more. Hence we defeated and consumed our enemy, but since Guardians are not based on Worms we don't become Oryx haha. Great video btw! Love it. My question for you is:
I would love to know more about the so called "Deep" and "Sky" but I think those concepts would come along as the "bigger picture" in this universe, similarly as we got the bigger picture in Mass Effect. So maybe we would get that closer to the ending of the Destiny universe, maybe 9 or so years from now with their final releases. What do you think?
+15liran Awesome man, I agree with your interpretatino with how the guardians fit in to the picture. The Deep and the Sky have very little information about them, apart from their always being a cosmic war. I dont know if bungie will reveal more details about this, it may stay like that. As I feel it is another comment about our own world.... we keep fighting and continuing war, long after we have forgotten the reason. Great point about the nine, they sort of slipped off the radar completely, and Xur. I really thoughout there would be more info on Xur
Yes Master Jedi the young Padawan must learn
I believe that the doctrine of sword logic creates the natural law of sword logic within the hive world. So you use the doctrine to prove your strength, your ability to make your will reality, and in proving you are more powerful, you then create the natural law of sword logic and become more powerful.
I've just done a binge on destiny lore, absolutely love it, your videos are great man! Can't wait to paraphrase some of the books of sorrow to all the flies i swat with magazines. If i can kill you, little fly, then you deserve to die. Haha. Evil as hell those worms (or wyrms) are though, so i wont actually quote them. Wonder if we'll ever get to encounter the deep itself, what on earth would it even be? Anyway, long live The Sky, The Traveler and The Guardians. I don't believe a word of this "the traveler is evil" stuff, though i respect the theories.
Let's team up and become the kings of the sky! Kill the traveler
Best there ever was right here SUBED
Hello myelin looking back at destiny lore specifically thrown world's sword logic and other ways of being able to open thrown world's
Reason being dul incaru
Star Wars would be awesome, i have always loved Star Wars and watching your lore videos
Personally and through a lot of research in the book of sorrow I have deduced that; sword logic is the process by which the hive gain and distribute power, for instance: the worm in the hive is connected to the deep/ darkness and thus funnels immortality and power to its host via a price of tribute, tribute being light gained through killing. Evidence for this is that "light lives in all things, in all places". When a being is killed the light of that being is funnelled into the host and devoured by the worm inside them, this devouring is linked to the deep and thus the Deep gives them immortality and power. I believe it works like this as it reinforces what the darkness wants: a universe of utter perfection, and if you cannot kill enough to sustain your worm your obviously not equipped for this universe. Thus the Deep is satiated and the worm hungers on. AIAT
And as for Auryx killing akka and becoming oryx via the sword logic or Auryx killing his sisters and gaining power. I believe that all the power that they have aquifer during their immortality and lifetime will be devoured by their destroyer thus you can cheat the system of tribute by; a thrall somehow killing a knight and thus gaining all of their power and ascending the ranks with a single murder.
Wait, you said that the hive used swords to cut in and establish thrones in the "afterlife" right? So doesn't that completely explain how the taken work? Oryx simply waits until they die or kills enemies and when they are "taken" they are brought back?
yay star wars lore plz keep making great vids
+CapenterInGermanyolm thanks man :)
STAR WARS STAR WARS STAR WARS STAR WARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ur great man, keep up the good work.
yes you definitely should do some star wars lore videos and i would state some theorys about sword logic but i think you figured it out :)
+The Griz thanks griz
Like you I find the Star Wars lore fascinating, I can only see battlefront be the game that can pull me away from destiny, for how long I'm not sure. Regardless of which lore you choose to do I will keep watching.
+Ryan Matthews I am in the same boat :) I am unlikely to play CoD. Then again, maybe just for Zombies only, however I would likely only play with my friends on a Friday night (everyone bring your TVs and PS4s to my place lol). However, Star Wars will draw my attention! I am a big fan of Battlefield 4 and played that game a lot! So excited to play a game with a sci-fi Universe!
Another awesome video dude! If you were to do Star Wars lore I would consider watching them as you deliver lore in a great format. I have never been interested in SW lore as in my eyes it's just the over saturated franchise that refuses to die but maybe you can get me interested...we'll see.
+Dylan Mason-Croucher awesome, when i do a video, make sure to comment whether it was successful or not... :)
+Myelin Games Will do!
Personally, I think I would enjoy your channel more as one that specialized in Destiny lore. I think the introduction of other universes would be overwhelming. However, I can easily see the appeal of wanting to grow and expand to different universes like star wars.
+Jeebus I do agree, it is really hard to develop other areas and huge challenge, whilst still maintaining quality Destiny content. I actually have done this in the past, without much success, so hopefully can learn from those mistakes. thanks for the hones opinion
definitely go for it your Lore videos are phenomenal and I believe that you will do the proper research for the video and seek help if needed on top of that like you said in your video just now Star Wars can get deep and complicated which is interesting
+Henry Coker thanks for the advice Henry, much appreciated.
love your videos man
+Jesse Griffin thank you Jesse!
So you know how in the dark below we were 'properly' introduced into Toland, he talked about the three goddesses, do you think he was talking about the three ozmium queens after all there was one who studied, one who raised an army and one who becomes smarter not to mention he also said the weaker one died...Auryx?
+animegirl224 I am still deciding on that, I had the same thought. It seems to be the best answer so far. especially since it was narrated by Toland, and we suspect he went into the hive netherworld
hey meylin thx for replying but like you said it seems the most logical answer
I was right with my comments from the first book of sorrows video thanks milen
yes to star wars as long as i get my destiny fix...another great vid btw
+Anthony Begley thanks anthony :) cheers for the advice
Thank you so much for clearing this up! :)
And I don't have too much interest in Star Wars but I will definitely still watch the lore video if you make them :)
Thanks for the honest opinion!
Myelin Games anytime, hope it helped :)
The sword getting more powerfull is also reinforced by the mission the sword of Crota,where i think Toland sais something about it absorbing power and also later in the mission ur ghost sais its tracking the sword by the light of the guardians its killed,but how could the light be there if Crota derped around the moon killing guardians at least a century ago as most of Crotas story is forgoten and it is Erys who tells the vanguard most of the info.
Isnt the light inside the sword itself? Sorry, i would need to replay the mission and see the cards. Thanks for all the insightful comments.
Yeah its my point the sword must habe absorbed the light,cause i doubt it would have been there for so long surrounded by the Darkness
Do Hawkmoon hand cannon lore
Love Star Wars myself, lol, use to read and release the old lore and timelines of the former EU. And relatively interested in what will come about with the new canon, if you use Wookipedia that be a good start, they are good at keeping up with canon material.
Reread, not release
Nice! Great, i have been using wookeepedia already, good to know it is reliable.
Yeah, that's where I go for most of my Star Wars info. If you'd like, I can program your stuff, lol. I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to Star Wars :p. Make sure your using the Canon tab at the top and not the Legends tab.
Hello 6 years later ;)
also i think your first star wars lore vid should be about how the weapons came into existence
I think it would be a good idea. I've always wanted to about star wars but I always feel overwhelmed with the lore. Especially if it doesn't intrude on destiny lore videos. I won't be playing the game so it would be even more beneficial for me.
+e303gt nice. I think that is the overwhelming consensus, people are happy to see somehting new, as long as Destiny continues :)
So before auryx became oryx, auryx was female? Becoming male when becoming oryx? Time 4:00 "3 sisters" or somewhere around there.
pancakewaffles yes
aurash became auryx who then became oryx
Hey Myelin, if you decide to make the star wars lore, I would be glad to help you. I am a major Star Wars geek and would love to help you with your videos should you chose to do them. I also have some interesting theories on the new movie you might want to include if you mention it. Anyways, like I said, I would love to help you, I have a wide range of knowledge of Star Wars (You would not believe the hours I have spent on the wiki. XD) especially concerning the Sith, I also have some speculation. And of course, great vid as usual!
+Myelin Games Yeah sure. BTW You will love Star Wars lore! The expanded universe (Everything that told the story of Star Wars besides the movies) Is HUGE! And I can never get enough of it.
+Myelin Games Ok, I sent it. Let me know if you get it.
At 1 in the morning I'm having a brain fart about sword logic. I'm realising that it's a very real concept that can be applied to our lives (be prepared for crazy philosophy shit here). from my understanding of sword logic, one must constantly battle it's oposite form in order to survive, much like how oryx is a force of darkness that wages war against the light. if he is to fail in is campaign and is defeated then he will be consumed. If you think about it this is a very true concept of life. take someone battling with depression for example, for one reason or another they are (to put it mildly) unhappy. they have 2 oposing forces that are fighting to take the person, the dark and the light, happiness and sadness. in order to gain one you must defeat the other, much like how a guardian can become corrupted, and consumed by the darkness, this too could happen to someone falling into sadness, it can consume them if not fought. such as dredgen yor, he fought the darkness for many years and had the love of the people, but inside he was broken and he let the darkness take him and change him. then you have our own guardians on the other side of the spectrum, who were brought back having no memory of who they were or what had happened, and ended up rising above everything that faced them and defeated a god. from the way I see it we are guardians, we might not be fighting the hive or the fallen, but we each have both light and darkness inside us. in the end it's what we choose to do and how we see ourselves that determines whether our light shines like the traveller itself, or is taken by the darkness.
sorry if that was too deep for a UA-cam comment, just wanted to share my thoughts.
may the light guide you fellow guardians.
+N7 OVERLORDZ thanks for the comment, much appreciated. I agree with the constant battle between opposing forces, however i also think that too have balance you need both forces. To be happy you need to know what it is like to feel sad.
+Myelin Games you have to fight through the darkness, to see the light.
wow. I'm blown away. You describe the struggle of those of us that battle every day with the darkness very well. equating it to the Destiny universe in such a way helps visualize the constant fight one has on a daily basis. never apologize for going deep, no matter where you are or what you are doing. going deep is a lost art these days and nowhere appreciated like it once was.
YES!!! Please do Star Wars Battlefront lore! That would be so awesome!
Dude watch the movies
+MegaRadomstuff Ok, so you assume I have not watched the movies?
killerpossum195 Ok, you obviously know nothing about Star Wars because the movies only tell about 1% of the whole story.
If you are trying to be funny then make that clear at the start. Because plenty of people would say what you said meaning it.
+Garrison Taylor obvious sarcasm is obvious
Maybe the sword logic is what allows hive tombships to cut through space. Maybe the Knights on board allow that
Good point bro. That woukd cool
could you do a lore video on lore of eris' rock
loving the great videos. I think that star wars lore would be great but other games would be cool too. fallout 4 or halo?
+nukeboy2803 Gaming videos (nukeboy 2803) I wish, I wish, I played the previous Fallouts and Halo! I feel like I have too much to catch up on and would make mistakes. Halo would be great but man, they have books I would have to read too. lol
Omg yesssssss do Star Wars lore !!!!