Wow! Just wow! That last point was solid as a rock and unavoidable. I've never heard it put that way before. Christ would never expect us to choose between orthodoxy and unity. That's got to be one of the best proofs for the Catholic Church. It's the only church on the planet that fulfills his prayer. Bravo!
The literary term he was looking for is a synecdoche - when a part is used to refer to the whole. (Talking about 'sails' on the water instead of boats is a common example.)
For Interest sake people.....It was a literal place.........The gates of hell Matt 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" Caesarea Philippi…gates of hell. This Roman city (also known as Caesarea Paneas) was located at the southwest base of Mount Hermon. After the death of Herod, and during the rule of the Roman procurators and up to the time of the Jewish revolt, Caesarea became the capital and residence of the rulers (Golden Jerusalem, by Menashe Har-El, p. 52). It was here that the ancients built temples to various deities. The heathens typically built altars and temples on high places, which they considered to be gateways or portals to heaven, and Mount Hermon was the highest high place in the entire region with an elevation of 9,232 feet above sea level. At this place, the Greeks worshipped their god Pan. In the same area at the base of Hermon, the Canaanites worshipped Baalgad
I have one question...in thirty-seven parts! Just kidding, but I am struggling with how to ask this in a cogent manner. The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the unity of Christianity. God so loved us that he sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. We believe that Jesus is the path to eternal life. The path is narrow and the gate is like the eye of a needle, so we must seek the truth and be wary of false teachings. I am confused because of doctrines and apologists. The arguments of Roman Catholic vs Orthodox vs Protestant, Upper level Protestant vs Lower level Protestant, Pope vs Anti-Pope, Maryology, through Mary to Jesus vs only Jesus to God... it is all making my head spin. Is Christianity very simple, but because of our feeble human minds we are over complicating things? I desperately want to do what is right! I am searching for THE TRUTH, not my truth (my truth is actually an opinion not truth). Roman catholics and protestants are claiming the other is the doctrine demons, and groups within each of those are arguing as well. I hesitate to use True Religion, but what brand does God want us to choose so we don’t roast in Hell for eternity?
It is an offensive statement by Christ.....I believe Christ was at the area of Bashan when he said this ......where by (legend or otherwise) was believed that this is where the entrance to hades/hell was supposed to be
You do not give a very complete interpretation of "gates of Hell shall not prevail"... you get close but seem to miss the main thrust of the phrase...The gates of Hades were understood as the power of Death over men... (which Jesus broke and freed its captives) ...Death was seen as an eternal prison..so "gates of Hell shall not prevail" was a promise by Jesus to His Church members of the Resurrection...Gates of Sheol or Gates of Hades in the Old Testament always clearly refer to death and its eternal grip ...Unfortunately the Church has practically forgotten its original knowledge in favor of the speculations of theologians, particularly Origen, who supposed without proof that the gates were sins or gateways INTO Hades...instead of the power of Death to hold people there...Ambrose took Origen's error and ran with it and so on down to Pope Vigilus, who directly wrote that the "gates" were "the sins of heretics"...and from there the Catholic Church has claimed that it is impossible for it to teach heresy...or its earthly institutions will always survive and be "visible."...all speculations based upon an error by a popular Alexandrian philosopher who did not really understand Jewish culture... But all the speculation is never what Jesus spoke, or intended to speak, nor what the Apostles would have understood the phrase to mean....
Peter himself said we all are priests, so the keys are for all of us just like the binding and losing which are referenced on that same verse. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. - 1 Peter 2:9
@@serviam4161 1- Peter never claimed to be the supreme leader of the entire church. 2- The apostles never claimed he was the supreme leader of the church. 3- The papacy (supreme bishop leader of the entire church) is never mentioned as a church office in any of the offices of the church described in the New Testament. See I Corinthians 12:28-29; Ephesians 2:20-21, 3:11; I Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 4- ..."Was there a Bishop of Rome in the First Century?"...the available evidence indicates that the church in Rome was led by a college of presbyters, rather than by a single bishop, for at least several decades of the second century (Sullivan F.A. From Apostles to Bishops: the development of the episcopacy in the early church. Newman Press, Mahwah (NJ), 2001, p. 80,221-222). -Catholic scholar.
@@serviam4161 what did Linus do that proved he was a Pope? What other bishops acknowledged him as the vicar of Christ for the entire church? From Cyprian in about the 200’s: “It remains, that upon this same matter each of us should bring forward what we think, judging no man, nor rejecting any one from the right of communion, if he should think differently from us. For neither does any of us set himself up as a bishop of bishops, nor by tyrannical terror does any compel his colleague to the necessity of obedience; since every bishop, according to the allowance of his liberty and power, has his own proper right of judgment, and can no more be judged by another than he himself can judge another. But let us all wait for the judgment of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the only one that has the power both of preferring us in the government of His Church, and of judging us in our conduct there.”
@@Justas399 St. Cyprian - Epistle 54, 14 "After such things as these, moreover, they still dare - a false bishop having been appointed for them by heretics - to SET SAIL and to bear letters from schismatic and profane persons TO THE THRONE OF PETER, AND TO THE CHIEF CHURCH WHENCE PRIESTLY UNITY TAKES ITS SOURCE; and not to consider that these were the Romans whose faith was praised in the preaching of the apostle, to whom faithlessness could have no access. Epistle 48 This is the same Novatus who first sowed among us the flames of discord and schism; who separated some of the brethren here from the bishop; who, in the persecution itself, was to our people, as it were, another persecution, to overthrow the minds of the brethren. He it is who, without my leave or knowledge, of his own factiousness and ambition appointed his attendant Felicissimus a deacon, and with his own tempest SAILING ALSO TO ROME to overthrow the Church, endeavoured to do similar and equal things there, forcibly separating a part of the people from the clergy, and dividing the concord of the fraternity that was firmly knit together and mutually loving one another. Since Rome from her greatness plainly ought to take precedence of Carthage, he there committed still greater and graver crimes. On the Unity of the Church par 4 The Lord speaks to Peter, saying, "I say unto thee, that thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." And again to the same He says, after His resurrection, resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, "As the Father hath sent me, even so send I you: Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they shall be remitted unto him; and whose soever sins ye retain, they shall be retained;" yet, that He might set forth unity, He arranged by His authority the origin of that unity, *AS BEGINNING FROM ONE. Assuredly the rest of the apostles were also the same as was Peter, endowed with a like partnership both of honour and power; BUT THE BEGINNING PROCEEDS FROM THAT UNITY. Epistle 39, par. 5 There is one God, and Christ is one, and there is one Church, and one chair founded upon the rock by the word of the Lord. Another altar cannot be constituted nor a new priesthood be made, except the one altar and the one priesthood. Whosoever gathereth elsewhere, scattereth. Epistle 51 par 8 "Cornelius was made bishop by the decision of God and of his Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the applause of the people then present, by the college of venerable priests and good men, at a time when no one had been made bishop before him-when the place of [Pope] Fabian, WHICH IS THE PLACE OF PETER, THE DIGNITY OF THE SACERDOTAL CHAIR, was vacant. Since it has been occupied both at the will of God and with the ratified consent of all of us, whoever now wishes to become bishop must do so outside. For he cannot have ecclesiastical rank who does not hold to the unity of the Church"
Rome can lose the faith Saint john Bosco stated that Rome will have to be reevagliszed. The gates of hell will not prevail means it will not overcome His church. ROME is a place not the church. It was selected by Peter but another could be selected if it were to fall.
@@ArmerysSM "Jesus said to him in reply, 'Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it'" (Matt 16:17-18). The church Christ founded on Peter (Greek for rock) will not fall to the powers of Hell. That would include an apostasy.
@@jeremysmith7176 Peter himself stated: *As you come to him, the living Stone* -rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him-you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.For in Scripture it says: “See, *I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone*, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. - 1 Peter 2:4-6,9
@@ArmerysSM How does that disprove that Jesus founded a Church on Peter and the gates of hell will not prevail against said Church? This passage give further context to this Church. That Jesus Christ builds his Church on Peter with himself as the cornerstone and all citizens of the kingdom built into and dwelling within the Church, just as Jesus dwells in us.
Wow! Just wow! That last point was solid as a rock and unavoidable. I've never heard it put that way before. Christ would never expect us to choose between orthodoxy and unity. That's got to be one of the best proofs for the Catholic Church. It's the only church on the planet that fulfills his prayer. Bravo!
The literary term he was looking for is a synecdoche - when a part is used to refer to the whole. (Talking about 'sails' on the water instead of boats is a common example.)
0:23 the word he is looking for is Synecdoche: the practice of using a part of something to stand in for the whole thing.
Brilliant! Is worth listening to it again.
Thanks Matt and Joe!
Stop having such great content!!! Just kidding 😁
In the same sense that a floodgate unleashes a flood, the gates of a city unleashes its army.
For Interest sake people.....It was a literal place.........The gates of hell
Matt 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
Caesarea Philippi…gates of hell. This Roman city (also known as Caesarea Paneas) was located at the southwest base of Mount Hermon. After the death of Herod, and during the rule of the Roman procurators and up to the time of the Jewish revolt, Caesarea became the capital and residence of the rulers (Golden Jerusalem, by Menashe Har-El, p. 52). It was here that the ancients built temples to various deities. The heathens typically built altars and temples on high places, which they considered to be gateways or portals to heaven, and Mount Hermon was the highest high place in the entire region with an elevation of 9,232 feet above sea level. At this place, the Greeks worshipped their god Pan. In the same area at the base of Hermon, the Canaanites worshipped Baalgad
W that was awesome.
Hey Shadpoke Klown thanks!!
I have one question...in thirty-seven parts! Just kidding, but I am struggling with how to ask this in a cogent manner. The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is the unity of Christianity. God so loved us that he sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. We believe that Jesus is the path to eternal life. The path is narrow and the gate is like the eye of a needle, so we must seek the truth and be wary of false teachings. I am confused because of doctrines and apologists. The arguments of Roman Catholic vs Orthodox vs Protestant, Upper level Protestant vs Lower level Protestant, Pope vs Anti-Pope, Maryology, through Mary to Jesus vs only Jesus to God... it is all making my head spin. Is Christianity very simple, but because of our feeble human minds we are over complicating things? I desperately want to do what is right! I am searching for THE TRUTH, not my truth (my truth is actually an opinion not truth). Roman catholics and protestants are claiming the other is the doctrine demons, and groups within each of those are arguing as well. I hesitate to use True Religion, but what brand does God want us to choose so we don’t roast in Hell for eternity?
The Lord knows your heart. Pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to reveal it all to you.
Read the Saints - God will speak to you a lot through the writings of the Saints and how they refer to Rome
@@mcspankey4810 AMEN!!! McSpankey...I believe in the Communion of Saints.
The gates of hell are in the little po dunk town I grew up in...Griffin, Ga👿..true story.
haha
Dear Matt fradd can you help me because i think there is a contradiction in the Bible
please don't be trolling around. thanks.
It is an offensive statement by Christ.....I believe Christ was at the area of Bashan when he said this ......where by (legend or otherwise) was believed that this is where the entrance to hades/hell was supposed to be
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You do not give a very complete interpretation of "gates of Hell shall not prevail"... you get close but seem to miss the main thrust of the phrase...The gates of Hades were understood as the power of Death over men... (which Jesus broke and freed its captives) ...Death was seen as an eternal prison..so "gates of Hell shall not prevail" was a promise by Jesus to His Church members of the Resurrection...Gates of Sheol or Gates of Hades in the Old Testament always clearly refer to death and its eternal grip ...Unfortunately the Church has practically forgotten its original knowledge in favor of the speculations of theologians, particularly Origen, who supposed without proof that the gates were sins or gateways INTO Hades...instead of the power of Death to hold people there...Ambrose took Origen's error and ran with it and so on down to Pope Vigilus, who directly wrote that the "gates" were "the sins of heretics"...and from there the Catholic Church has claimed that it is impossible for it to teach heresy...or its earthly institutions will always survive and be "visible."...all speculations based upon an error by a popular Alexandrian philosopher who did not really understand Jewish culture... But all the speculation is never what Jesus spoke, or intended to speak, nor what the Apostles would have understood the phrase to mean....
Peter himself said we all are priests, so the keys are for all of us just like the binding and losing which are referenced on that same verse.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. - 1 Peter 2:9
@@serviam4161 Peter was given keys by Christ but never claimed to be the supreme leader of the entire church.
@@serviam4161 1- Peter never claimed to be the supreme leader of the entire church.
2- The apostles never claimed he was the supreme leader of the church.
3- The papacy (supreme bishop leader of the entire church) is never mentioned as a church office in any of the offices of the church described in the New Testament. See I Corinthians 12:28-29; Ephesians 2:20-21, 3:11; I Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9
4- ..."Was there a Bishop of Rome in the First Century?"...the available evidence indicates that the church in Rome was led by a college of presbyters, rather than by a single bishop, for at least several decades of the second century (Sullivan F.A. From Apostles to Bishops: the development of the episcopacy in the early church. Newman Press, Mahwah (NJ), 2001, p. 80,221-222). -Catholic scholar.
@@serviam4161 “Of all the Fathers who interpret these passages (Matthew 16:18; John 21:17), not a single one applies them to the Roman bishops as Peter's successors. How many Fathers have busied themselves with these three texts, yet not one of them who commentaries we possess--Origen, Chrysostom, Hilary, Augustine, Cyril, Theodoret, and those whose interpretations are collected in catenas--has dropped the faintest hint that the primacy of Rome is the consequence of the commission and promise to Peter! Roman Catholic historian von Dollinger on papal succession.
“there is no evidence that before his death Peter actually served the church of Rome as its first bishop, even though the "fact" is regularly taken for granted by a wide spectrum of Catholics and others (McBrien, Richard P. Lives of the Popes: The Pontiffs from St. Peter to Benedict XVI. Harper, San Francisco, 2005 updated ed., pp. 25,29).” -Catholic scholar.
The Catholic Encyclopedia admits this about Peter, ...we possess no precise information regarding thedetails of his Roman sojourn (Kirsch J.P. Transcribed by Gerard Haffner. St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XI. Copyright © 1911 by Robert Appleton Company. Online Edition Copyright © 2003 by K. Knight. Nihil Obstat, February 1, 1911. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York).
@@serviam4161 what did Linus do that proved he was a Pope? What other bishops acknowledged him as the vicar of Christ for the entire church?
From Cyprian in about the 200’s: “It remains, that upon this same matter each of us should bring forward what we think, judging no man, nor rejecting any one from the right of communion, if he should think differently from us. For neither does any of us set himself up as a bishop of bishops, nor by tyrannical terror does any compel his colleague to the necessity of obedience; since every bishop, according to the allowance of his liberty and power, has his own proper right of judgment, and can no more be judged by another than he himself can judge another. But let us all wait for the judgment of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the only one that has the power both of preferring us in the government of His Church, and of judging us in our conduct there.”
@@Justas399 St. Cyprian - Epistle 54, 14
"After such things as these, moreover, they still dare - a false bishop having been appointed for them by heretics - to SET SAIL and to bear letters from schismatic and profane persons TO THE THRONE OF PETER, AND TO THE CHIEF CHURCH WHENCE PRIESTLY UNITY TAKES ITS SOURCE; and not to consider that these were the Romans whose faith was praised in the preaching of the apostle, to whom faithlessness could have no access.
Epistle 48
This is the same Novatus who first sowed among us the flames of discord and schism; who separated some of the brethren here from the bishop; who, in the persecution itself, was to our people, as it were, another persecution, to overthrow the minds of the brethren. He it is who, without my leave or knowledge, of his own factiousness and ambition appointed his attendant Felicissimus a deacon, and with his own tempest SAILING ALSO TO ROME to overthrow the Church, endeavoured to do similar and equal things there, forcibly separating a part of the people from the clergy, and dividing the concord of the fraternity that was firmly knit together and mutually loving one another. Since Rome from her greatness plainly ought to take precedence of Carthage, he there committed still greater and graver crimes.
On the Unity of the Church par 4
The Lord speaks to Peter, saying, "I say unto thee, that thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." And again to the same He says, after His resurrection, resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, "As the Father hath sent me, even so send I you: Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they shall be remitted unto him; and whose soever sins ye retain, they shall be retained;" yet, that He might set forth unity, He arranged by His authority the origin of that unity, *AS BEGINNING FROM ONE. Assuredly the rest of the apostles were also the same as was Peter, endowed with a like partnership both of honour and power; BUT THE BEGINNING PROCEEDS FROM THAT UNITY.
Epistle 39, par. 5
There is one God, and Christ is one, and there is one Church, and one chair founded upon the rock by the word of the Lord. Another altar cannot be constituted nor a new priesthood be made, except the one altar and the one priesthood. Whosoever gathereth elsewhere, scattereth.
Epistle 51 par 8
"Cornelius was made bishop by the decision of God and of his Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the applause of the people then present, by the college of venerable priests and good men, at a time when no one had been made bishop before him-when the place of [Pope] Fabian, WHICH IS THE PLACE OF PETER, THE DIGNITY OF THE SACERDOTAL CHAIR, was vacant. Since it has been occupied both at the will of God and with the ratified consent of all of us, whoever now wishes to become bishop must do so outside. For he cannot have ecclesiastical rank who does not hold to the unity of the Church"
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Rome can lose the faith Saint john Bosco stated that Rome will have to be reevagliszed. The gates of hell will not prevail means it will not overcome His church. ROME is a place not the church. It was selected by Peter but another could be selected if it were to fall.
There are some unofficial prophetic visions of the pope fleeing Rome amidst the rubble... it's plausible.
But Jesus phrophecied apostasy, however that does not mean the gates of hell prevailed.
People will apostasis from the the Church. Not that the church herself will apostasis.
@@jeremysmith7176 The people are the church.
@@ArmerysSM "Jesus said to him in reply, 'Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it'" (Matt 16:17-18). The church Christ founded on Peter (Greek for rock) will not fall to the powers of Hell. That would include an apostasy.
@@jeremysmith7176
Peter himself stated:
*As you come to him, the living Stone* -rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him-you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.For in Scripture it says: “See, *I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone*, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. - 1 Peter 2:4-6,9
@@ArmerysSM How does that disprove that Jesus founded a Church on Peter and the gates of hell will not prevail against said Church? This passage give further context to this Church. That Jesus Christ builds his Church on Peter with himself as the cornerstone and all citizens of the kingdom built into and dwelling within the Church, just as Jesus dwells in us.
Rome will and has lost the faith. This man is a liar. The great apostasy. Saint paul speaks of it. Modernists.
But Luther never separated from the church, so that is unity without abandoning truth.