He pays the 2.50 dollar hot dog with a 5 dollar note, but the vendor does not give him change. 'Where's my change?" he asks. "Change only comes from within," says the vendor.
@@ultimanecat3091 the "holly saint" didn't get the hot dog joke, (some bloke named karl actually told that joke but with pizza to dalai's face) maybe was the lack of tongue sucking, that got him off his game that day
Another tradition about "Ninjutsu" called Ryujin Ryu (龍神流) considers as its supposed founder a woman named Ryujin Sennin (龍神仙人), who is said to have lived on Aso Mountain, in Kyushu Province. The writing records a surprising lineage, which, it is said, has been transmitted over the last hundred years, reaching up to the Modern Era, but the facts reported therein are impossible to verify historically due to the little existing documentary evidence. The text tries to emphasize its importance and a long history, basing its tradition on celestial deities (associated with various celestial bodies), on the legendary Chinese commanders Huang Xi-Gong (黄石公) and Zhang Liang (張良) and on a series of texts related to military strategy (Heiho - 兵法) of the Minamoto Family and another called "Tora no Maki" (虎の巻) or "School of the Tiger". The characteristics of this school or tradition are that, along with the methods of magic and those of military strategy or Heiho and the "Shinobi" or "Ninja" techniques of information gathering, the Ryujin Ryu tradition also includes bujutsu or martial arts. . Thus, there are different and varied forms of military strategy and martial arts (bujutsu) and in many cases it has been pointed out that the techniques of "Ninjutsu" in the different known traditions are taught as something apart from them (外の物 - Soto no mono - foreign thing or 別伝 - Betsuden - another story); however, in the Ryujin Ryu school there was the rare case of teaching methods of combat with Tessen (扇 - Steel fan) and defense without weapons, with an empty hand (samurai arts), as central concepts of "Ninjutsu". Thus, among the schools created in modern times we can often see ninjutsu schools that mainly teach fighting martial arts, but for traditions that can trace their genealogy back to the Edo period, this is not typical, the authenticity of this school then still requires verification. - In relation to this Ryujin Ryu school, although there are no clear signs or regions where this style has been transmitted, there is a record that shows that it was being taught in Kyushu in modern times in the Taisho Period (1912-1926). - Written by: KAWAKAMI Jinichi
Anyways, "who invented ninjutsu as a martial art"? Probably not just one person in particular, tbh. I'd say that "ninja martial arts" has roots to at least Ito Gingetsu, to some degree, with people like Fujita Seiko, Heishichiro Okuse, and Takamatsu all contributing little by little. Further reinforcing it would probably be the ninja stories written by the late Sanpei Shirato, because he was the one divorced ninjas with samurai, since he was a Marxist and wanted to write stories of bourgeois and proletariat class struggle in a Japanese way.
Is it possible that Takamatsu made this up, using some real historical information, compiled from various sources? Then chooses Togakure Ryu because it was supposed to be the oldest known tradition. That way it would be seen as somewhat authoritative as compared to other people’s claims, not to mention Kukishin Ryu. And again, if Takamatsu actually believed his own stories, this would fit his need for being the original version of the art.
Since they were Samurai, you would think their martial arts would vary a little and basically be part of whatever Bujutsu they were familiar with. Whether Ninja specific or not, they would have known at least some rudimentary fighting skills.
Hatsumi in his earlier bio information claims substantial Aikijujutsu training before Takamatsu. He talked about long train rides one day a week to study with Takamatsu for about two years. How can someone legitimately even earn a shodan much less master of 18 martial arts with a work ethic like that? My first martial arts training was in the early 1970's in traditional Japanese military Jiujitsu with a retired US Navy UDT diver who studied it while stationed in Japan after the War. What I see of Hatsumi Tai Jutsu is exactly the same thing with slightly altered more graceful less abrupt movement.
Yet you told me nothing about his work ethic. He met with his teacher one day a week. But you say nothing about his practice time. Long train rides come at a cost too, so 100 or so rides wasn't cheap. That implies real interest. If (since) he already had a substantial martial arts background, the getting into shape, learning balance & movement has already done.
@@recoil53 that guy sounds just like another white guy who probably learnt his jiujitsu with no grace or mastery at all. he's probably some big white oaf who knows how to snap wrists and elbows because his hand is as big as his arse. i've heard this holier than thou rubbish quite often from big hairy Americans. i notice he bragged about his teacher, the frogman, who studied for only two years while stationed in Japan (no doubt in between whoring and drinking on off days), as if that legitimizes his training above what Hatsumi had already accomplished. this guy's a clown.
Adam Whitehead is the full name...I think the first few comments I read here seem to have the right idea, as in 5 arts may have lines outside, whereas the others are added possibly by Takematsu. Also someone made a great point saying it was probably multiple people like Takematsu, Fujita Seiko etc riding the wave and digging into the lore, that seems to be how us westerners invent new tropes so it makes sense to me that between the Bond films, books, comics etc the craze built momentum. One day stuff invented in the 50's will be " historical". I am having dinner with a gentleman who trained with Hatsumi/Hayes in the 80's, I think I'm going to brave bringing up the subject to see what he has to say, normally keep my opinions/ideas about this stuff to myself but need to see what he knows, why not you only live once!
I'm a student in the Bujinkan, but I definitely try to do my homework. Shinden Fudo Ryu has lines outside the Bujinkan, Kukishinden Ryu has lines outside the Bujinkan, Takagi Yoshin Ryu has lines outside the Bujinkan. Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu are a bit more difficult to track down, but if I remember correctly Koto Ryu has a couple of lines outside the Bujinkan as well. Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu from what I understand we're one complete school at a point in time, so it's possible that it had a different name? But that's my personal theory. Kumogakure Ryu was mentioned in the Mizukagami I think? I remember that you found something about it. I mainly focus on the schools that I mentioned above for martial arts and I don't personally believe they are "ninja martial arts " Ninja were Samurai but not all Samurai were Ninja. It will take some convincing to move me from that opinion. I hope you're well mate! Cheers.
Rabbit hole. I can’t find the reference but something about Takamatsu trying to restart kukishin Ryu for their family as something like kukishinden Ryu Ninpo. As far as Hatsumi giving the sokeship to 9 people it looks like 7 have been given the 8 or 9 ryuha. Another rabbit hole is Tanemura proved in court rightful inheritor of Gikan Ryu koppojutsu which Hatsumi allegedly didn’t originally list while another of takamatsus inheritors was alive. The three Ninpo schools of the bujinkan are Togakure Ryu, kumogakure Ryu and Gyokko Shin Ryu Ninpo
Hey Blondie... Who cares about ninja martial arts when the professor is literally a highlander. Jokes aside, I like your videos about that specific subject, specially the one you did with the Brazilian dude from the channel "Brasão de armas". I'm into martial arts, but not Buj stuff. I'm Blue Belt in BJJ and Purple Belt in Shotokan karate-do (JKA). Greetings from Brazil.
can u specify the difference between ninjutsu as we know it and the predated truth. is ninjutsu a made up style to do away with the stuff that they do not teach anymore for example poison .I watched a video on ninja lore . he said i do not teach poison because it is simply something we don't do anymore for obvious reasons. what I'm asking is, is it just kobudo and budo put together but we leave out the really nasty parts? For example an instructor might say "we really used to do these horrible things to each other but now we simply use the bamboo blade to preserve history and cultivate ourselves ". Or are we still trying to figure it out? Is it made up to begin with? Are they samurai with "spy skills"(ninjutsu or Shinobi jitsu)? is it only skills, or a complete being (a ninja or Shinobi ?) What is samurai, bushi and Shinobi or is it they cross trained which is why it's confusing, so we are clarifying what it is to be ninja via ninjutsu.is there a difference between ninjutsu and martial arts, the merging of the two make a complete ninja. for example on Naruto they look army men with a vest on.while claiming to be Shinobi or ninja.most of them are using other martial arts like karate and other martial arts for example the huga clan 8 trigrams 64 palms is karate not tie jitsu and then what is ninja? To me ninja or Shinobi is a collection of skills to survive a horrible time in history skills like survival methods, stealth to hunt food and you know stereotype here. as well as spy to gain information. or to simply be a ninja because it was originally a gorilla art to counter others in a fractured Japan designed by families extra the iga koka idea I think we need to specify what as practitioners are an are not because media is how I started I would like to see it all clearly.
Are there kanji graphologists? Is there someone who can compare the scroll with Takamatsu's writing? Could it be written by Takamatsu himself to help give credulity to the fraud he was creating? Check Hatsumi and his other students as well.
I think this is a very interesting topic. About the origins of Takamatsu-den and "Ninja Martial Arts". We all at some point wondered where did all this came from, at this point we know it is made up but taking it deeper may shed some light on the where/who/how/why this thing exist. Who knows. Maybe within the lie we find interesting truths or at the very least a damn cool story of how some guy (or guys) were trying to get money and fame in a crazy way 🥷⚔️😂
The way I see it, most Japanese martial arts are based on mythology. Many claim tengu or Oni taught the founders. To be fair, you do see similar things in European martial arts. The infamous "end him rightly " comes to mind that I swear had to be an inside joke.
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A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog stand and says to the vendor, "Hey, make me one with EVERYTHING."
He pays the 2.50 dollar hot dog with a 5 dollar note, but the vendor does not give him change. 'Where's my change?" he asks. "Change only comes from within," says the vendor.
@@ultimanecat3091 the "holly saint" didn't get the hot dog joke, (some bloke named karl actually told that joke but with pizza to dalai's face)
maybe was the lack of tongue sucking, that got him off his game that day
Another tradition about "Ninjutsu" called Ryujin Ryu (龍神流) considers as its supposed founder a woman named Ryujin Sennin (龍神仙人), who is said to have lived on Aso Mountain, in Kyushu Province. The writing records a surprising lineage, which, it is said, has been transmitted over the last hundred years, reaching up to the Modern Era, but the facts reported therein are impossible to verify historically due to the little existing documentary evidence. The text tries to emphasize its importance and a long history, basing its tradition on celestial deities (associated with various celestial bodies), on the legendary Chinese commanders Huang Xi-Gong (黄石公) and Zhang Liang (張良) and on a series of texts related to military strategy (Heiho - 兵法) of the Minamoto Family and another called "Tora no Maki" (虎の巻) or "School of the Tiger". The characteristics of this school or tradition are that, along with the methods of magic and those of military strategy or Heiho and the "Shinobi" or "Ninja" techniques of information gathering, the Ryujin Ryu tradition also includes bujutsu or martial arts. . Thus, there are different and varied forms of military strategy and martial arts (bujutsu) and in many cases it has been pointed out that the techniques of "Ninjutsu" in the different known traditions are taught as something apart from them (外の物 - Soto no mono - foreign thing or 別伝 - Betsuden - another story); however, in the Ryujin Ryu school there was the rare case of teaching methods of combat with Tessen (扇 - Steel fan) and defense without weapons, with an empty hand (samurai arts), as central concepts of "Ninjutsu". Thus, among the schools created in modern times we can often see ninjutsu schools that mainly teach fighting martial arts, but for traditions that can trace their genealogy back to the Edo period, this is not typical, the authenticity of this school then still requires verification.
- In relation to this Ryujin Ryu school, although there are no clear signs or regions where this style has been transmitted, there is a record that shows that it was being taught in Kyushu in modern times in the Taisho Period (1912-1926).
- Written by: KAWAKAMI Jinichi
Anyways, "who invented ninjutsu as a martial art"? Probably not just one person in particular, tbh. I'd say that "ninja martial arts" has roots to at least Ito Gingetsu, to some degree, with people like Fujita Seiko, Heishichiro Okuse, and Takamatsu all contributing little by little. Further reinforcing it would probably be the ninja stories written by the late Sanpei Shirato, because he was the one divorced ninjas with samurai, since he was a Marxist and wanted to write stories of bourgeois and proletariat class struggle in a Japanese way.
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Is it possible that Takamatsu made this up, using some real historical information, compiled from various sources? Then chooses Togakure Ryu because it was supposed to be the oldest known tradition. That way it would be seen as somewhat authoritative as compared to other people’s claims, not to mention Kukishin Ryu. And again, if Takamatsu actually believed his own stories, this would fit his need for being the original version of the art.
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Since they were Samurai, you would think their martial arts would vary a little and basically be part of whatever Bujutsu they were familiar with. Whether Ninja specific or not, they would have known at least some rudimentary fighting skills.
We know they did. They knew samurai martial arts
Hatsumi in his earlier bio information claims substantial Aikijujutsu training before Takamatsu. He talked about long train rides one day a week to study with Takamatsu for about two years. How can someone legitimately even earn a shodan much less master of 18 martial arts with a work ethic like that? My first martial arts training was in the early 1970's in traditional Japanese military Jiujitsu with a retired US Navy UDT diver who studied it while stationed in Japan after the War. What I see of Hatsumi Tai Jutsu is exactly the same thing with slightly altered more graceful less abrupt movement.
Hatsumi had at least 4-5 Senior teaching licenses before he ever met Takamatsu. He was a seasoned teacher already.
Yet you told me nothing about his work ethic.
He met with his teacher one day a week. But you say nothing about his practice time.
Long train rides come at a cost too, so 100 or so rides wasn't cheap. That implies real interest.
If (since) he already had a substantial martial arts background, the getting into shape, learning balance & movement has already done.
@@recoil53 that guy sounds just like another white guy who probably learnt his jiujitsu with no grace or mastery at all. he's probably some big white oaf who knows how to snap wrists and elbows because his hand is as big as his arse. i've heard this holier than thou rubbish quite often from big hairy Americans. i notice he bragged about his teacher, the frogman, who studied for only two years while stationed in Japan (no doubt in between whoring and drinking on off days), as if that legitimizes his training above what Hatsumi had already accomplished. this guy's a clown.
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Adam Whitehead is the full name...I think the first few comments I read here seem to have the right idea, as in 5 arts may have lines outside, whereas the others are added possibly by Takematsu. Also someone made a great point saying it was probably multiple people like Takematsu, Fujita Seiko etc riding the wave and digging into the lore, that seems to be how us westerners invent new tropes so it makes sense to me that between the Bond films, books, comics etc the craze built momentum. One day stuff invented in the 50's will be " historical". I am having dinner with a gentleman who trained with Hatsumi/Hayes in the 80's, I think I'm going to brave bringing up the subject to see what he has to say, normally keep my opinions/ideas about this stuff to myself but need to see what he knows, why not you only live once!
I'm a student in the Bujinkan, but I definitely try to do my homework. Shinden Fudo Ryu has lines outside the Bujinkan, Kukishinden Ryu has lines outside the Bujinkan, Takagi Yoshin Ryu has lines outside the Bujinkan. Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu are a bit more difficult to track down, but if I remember correctly Koto Ryu has a couple of lines outside the Bujinkan as well. Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu from what I understand we're one complete school at a point in time, so it's possible that it had a different name? But that's my personal theory. Kumogakure Ryu was mentioned in the Mizukagami I think? I remember that you found something about it. I mainly focus on the schools that I mentioned above for martial arts and I don't personally believe they are "ninja martial arts " Ninja were Samurai but not all Samurai were Ninja. It will take some convincing to move me from that opinion. I hope you're well mate! Cheers.
That was a skill name not a school name
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two blondes walk into a bar you'd think one of them would see it
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Rabbit hole. I can’t find the reference but something about Takamatsu trying to restart kukishin Ryu for their family as something like kukishinden Ryu Ninpo. As far as Hatsumi giving the sokeship to 9 people it looks like 7 have been given the 8 or 9 ryuha. Another rabbit hole is Tanemura proved in court rightful inheritor of Gikan Ryu koppojutsu which Hatsumi allegedly didn’t originally list while another of takamatsus inheritors was alive. The three Ninpo schools of the bujinkan are Togakure Ryu, kumogakure Ryu and Gyokko Shin Ryu Ninpo
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The people of Iga Village are probably the most famous for Ninjutsu
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Hey Blondie... Who cares about ninja martial arts when the professor is literally a highlander.
Jokes aside, I like your videos about that specific subject, specially the one you did with the Brazilian dude from the channel "Brasão de armas". I'm into martial arts, but not Buj stuff. I'm Blue Belt in BJJ and Purple Belt in Shotokan karate-do (JKA). Greetings from Brazil.
can u specify the difference between ninjutsu as we know it and the predated truth. is ninjutsu a made up style to do away with the stuff that they do not teach anymore for example poison .I watched a video on ninja lore . he said i do not teach poison because it is simply something we don't do anymore for obvious reasons. what I'm asking is, is it just kobudo and budo put together but we leave out the really nasty parts? For example an instructor might say "we really used to do these horrible things to each other but now we simply use the bamboo blade to preserve history and cultivate ourselves ". Or are we still trying to figure it out? Is it made up to begin with? Are they samurai with "spy skills"(ninjutsu or Shinobi jitsu)? is it only skills, or a complete being (a ninja or Shinobi ?) What is samurai, bushi and Shinobi or is it they cross trained which is why it's confusing, so we are clarifying what it is to be ninja via ninjutsu.is there a difference between ninjutsu and martial arts, the merging of the two make a complete ninja. for example on Naruto they look army men with a vest on.while claiming to be Shinobi or ninja.most of them are using other martial arts like karate and other martial arts for example the huga clan 8 trigrams 64 palms is karate not tie jitsu and then what is ninja? To me ninja or Shinobi is a collection of skills to survive a horrible time in history skills like survival methods, stealth to hunt food and you know stereotype here. as well as spy to gain information. or to simply be a ninja because it was originally a gorilla art to counter others in a fractured Japan designed by families extra the iga koka idea I think we need to specify what as practitioners are an are not because media is how I started I would like to see it all clearly.
You need to watch the man who killed the ninja. There is no ninja martial arts before 1950
Are there kanji graphologists? Is there someone who can compare the scroll with Takamatsu's writing? Could it be written by Takamatsu himself to help give credulity to the fraud he was creating? Check Hatsumi and his other students as well.
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I think this is a very interesting topic. About the origins of Takamatsu-den and "Ninja Martial Arts". We all at some point wondered where did all this came from, at this point we know it is made up but taking it deeper may shed some light on the where/who/how/why this thing exist. Who knows. Maybe within the lie we find interesting truths or at the very least a damn cool story of how some guy (or guys) were trying to get money and fame in a crazy way 🥷⚔️😂
The way I see it, most Japanese martial arts are based on mythology. Many claim tengu or Oni taught the founders.
To be fair, you do see similar things in European martial arts. The infamous "end him rightly " comes to mind that I swear had to be an inside joke.