Leica M11 vs M10R: 60MP vs 40MP - A practical review - See the difference.
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2022
- The LEICA M11 has a number of improvements and changes compared to the M10R. If the only decision criteria to upgrade is Mega Pixels MP, then this video might help you decide. Is there a noticeable difference?
The scenario is shooting with the M10R with Summilux 35mm f1.4 vs M11 with Summicron APO 35mm f2.0. Daylight and evening shots.
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Great work. I will keep my M10R and I was going to switch. The difference is quality is minimal and I am comfortable with the camera and accessories. I will wait for the M12. Thank you
Good choice!
Thanks for sharing. M10r colours look consistently better than m11 to my eyes.
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Watching on my phone I didn’t expect to notice a difference but was pleasantly surprised how much I like the colors of the M11. Noise is also noticeably improved.
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It’s easy to tell the difference since nearly all the M11 photos have a sort of blueish cast to them. The ISO performance of the M11 however is very good
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Way to go Peter!!! Great real world comparison.
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That was a good comparison. To my eyes, the differences are pretty subtle in most cases, though I’m impressed by the colors on those high ISO M11 shots.
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Highly valuable comparisons !!!
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It’s the APO doing the great job.
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Hi Peter, As a new viewer on your channel, and debating between the two M’s to buy… I come from the SL (type 601) I’m biased to the M10R, due to the rolling shutter issue on the M11 (same issue as Hasselblad). Although the M11 is better stopped down due to the lower native 64 ISO and 1/16000 electronic shutter. So I can use my Summilux’s without stopping down at 1.4 in daytime.
But what is your opinion after usage and holding both camera’s?
Being a passionate photographer, I've made the financial commitment to buy and own both the M10-R and the M11. Re the M11, I have not had a situation where rolling shutter is a problem (stationary subjects) for shutter speeds above 1/4000 sec. I own a number of Summilux and Noctilux lenses, so having the faster shutter speeds of 1/8000 and 1/16000 is an advantage. I enjoy both cameras. The M10-R (black paint version) is a good looker. Not sure whether this is any help to you. Good luck with your decision making.
Thanks for the video Peter, I will be keeping my M10R, as my one and only Leica body it is all I need…. For now!
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Your test showed nicely that the M11 has a slight edge over the M10-R in dim light conditions. The M11 seems to have better color display in the highlights. It depends what the main usage of the camera is - for regular light photography, the M10-R is more than sufficient. For high ISO shooting, the M11 is a bit advantageous here.
Yes, I agree
Hi peter, thanks for the simple blind comparison video, for a while i thought the A was M11 since on most occasions i prefer its looks, even at higher iso except the 12500 where it shows too much banding
I too probably gonna keep m10r BP though it’s itching to get the m11, but for now other than a usb c tethered i havent got any other excuse
Yes I agree, the M10R BP is a keeper. Bank balances may dictate the purchase of an additional M11. Have fun.
I will definitely pick the M11 as my third digital M. In seven years from now I will probably be able to justify the used price of the M11. Till then I will continue to shoot my silver chrome beauties, the original M8 and the M9-P.
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It was interesting to hear how much difference your ability to focus your two cameras equally sharply made. What if the focusing mechanics of one of the two (rangefinder) cameras was/is slightly out of adjustment? Should you have been focusing both cameras through their electronic viewfinders - to be fair?
Yes, you are right, using Live View, back screen or the EVF would have produced more accurate focusing. Oh well.
. . . Hence my sticking to AF in recent years . . . it rarely disappoints compared to manual focus . . . though I still will throw my M6 over my shoulder once in a blue moon.
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Hello Peter and thanks for the video. The biggest difference to me was the color saturation and rendition and to me the M11 was nearly getting into the area of being oversaturated. But there is one thing which leaves a question mark behind this comparison. I do own both 50th as well and I do not agree with you that they are more or less the same. The Apo is the best corrected lens Leica has produced and it has better micro contrast than the Summilux as well and now you put that jewel of a lens on the M11 and the still very good Lux on the M10R. When I saw that I expected that the M11 might just blow the M10R away, which it did not. Both cameras are reasonably close but with technology improving year by year it is not surprising that the M11 has the edge.
If you want the latest technology you want to buy the M11 with the latest sensor, better battery life and an internal SD and a base ISO of 64. Still here I am thinking about buying an M10R BP. To me the M11 is like a Q2 or SL just in a different package and without AF. I personally would miss the base plate, it is part of that M feeling. To me the M10R BP is the end of an Area and the M11 opened a brand new chapter. I am itching to own that classic and I am sure I will still like it years down the road. The M11 will get his behind kicked by the 12 which might feature IBIS and internal EVF etc. I the end the M will be a brilliant mirrorless just with out AF and therefore a bit more compact. If that would be your only camera, that's a one you want to own. But for me it is not the M anymore which inspires me.
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I had 8 B's & 3 A's....but one of the A's (second image shown) could have gone either way for me. I also note that on some night scenes I picked the B...so it wasn't a consistent bias in low light for me.
Where I scored the A higher in two images was in the very low light scenes - the last shot & third from last.
The thing I picked up on was there seemed to be more colour noise in the B images....keep in mind I'm viewing youtube footage on a 1080P 24" monitor. The luminance noise didn't seem to be much different to me. I think in most of the images where I rated B higher, it was the overall colour difference I was picking up on mainly it seemed like the colour had more 'depth' somehow. In a few shots where I rated B, I also felt that there was a bit more detail or texture present.
Interesting, but maybe not overly surprising perhaps.
I still think that the 'ownership pleasure' of the M10R BP is much greater though....the M11 might be the technically better camera, but the M10R BP is the camera that would always feel 'special'. Plus, if you were after a 'technically better' camera, one might go for a Sony, Canon or Fuji GFX mirrorless anyway. Very few other makes would you consider as alternatives for the 'special' accolade.
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Interesting. In conclusion the focus is more important than the sensor, and focussing with the M is not preise enough
Yep, its all about focus (and/or camera shake). Thanks for watching.
Coming from the M240 I find the colors from the M10-R much more pleasing, the colors of the M11 are way too vibrant...
Anyway thanks a lot for this comparison, Peter. That helps a lot...
Thanks for watching and commenting. These days I'm only using the DNG file and edit a hand full of images. So I'm not really concerned about the colour of the M240, M10-R or the M11. It's also hard to make any judgements via the UA-cam viewing. I will be making a video shortly on "Living with the M11" video comparing FTU, Fun To Use....
@@Adventure8 Thanks for your answer, Peter - there is a discussion among the colors on the channel from Thorsten Overgaard. That's why I find your comparison very helpful. Colors are always a personal preference but I could immediately tell which image was from which camera. To me the "reduced" colors of the M10-R are more pleasing. And you are right - you have to compare the DNG's in real life, but your video gave a good starting point.
@@nuenn : yes I also watch Thorsten. Really enjoy and learn heaps from his videos. Hope to do one of his workshop/walking tours one day.
How are you using different lenses and calling this a camera test?
It's a test for me and may be of value to some. Other UA-camrs do more detailed test. I can recommend Mathphotographer on UA-cam.
I have one question? Why would you buy an M11 that offers nothing incredible compared to the M10R but is uglier than the Camera in black paint, slower because of the new metering, has a weird cheap aluminium body coating and in many other ways worse than the M10?...
BSI sensor, triple resolution (that offers 1 extra stop of dynamic range), USB-C, better battery, better light meter, faster processor, lower base ISO (for shooting those Summiluxes wide open more often). That’s about it :-).
We all have to decide what is important to justify our own decisions. If I could only keep one Leica, it would be the M11. As it is, I can keep more than one, so I will keep the M10R BP version also. The value of the M10R has not diminished with the release of the M11. Now, the real problem/challenge will be in the future.... the M12???? Will the M12 replace the M11. My M10R BP will be a long term keeper I think.
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@@Adventure8 Almost forgot the internal storage of 64Gb 🙂.
I make UA-cam videos about my journey with a second hand M10-p and a 50mm Summilux. The M11 ticks almost all the boxes of improvements that I listed myself. To me the M11 is certainly worth the upgrade, but I need to sell mine to make sure my cashflow remains healthy 😂
@@berndvandecruys Never enough cash....! Lottery?
Ridiculous review! Your using 2 different lenses then pixel peeping. The Apo will beat the lux every day of the week. You need to use the same lens !
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I think B is the M11
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