There's Something Magical About Leica: M10-R vs Fujifilm X-T3 and Sony a7R III
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- In this video we compare the new Leica M10-R against the Sony a7R III and the Fujifilm X-T3. One of the things I love about Leica cameras is the look of the images they produce. Cameras like Fujifilm are known for producing beautiful images and we decided to compare the Leica to Fuji and Sony to see what the differences were
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Funny how unsharp your Summicron looks in this video... Something is wrong here.
Speaking with Leica about it and waiting to hear back.
Jan J Leica has finished performing the quality check and confirmed the lens worked as it should. The sharpness of the lens was accurately depicted in the video, especially in the controlled tests.
The result in the video looks to me rather like a missed focus then an unsharp Summicron. With practice the lens will improve 😏
@@TatortCollection the controlled tests are what really define the performance. They were in focus and checked multiple times. We have no need to rush controlled tests :).
I've had two copies of the summicron, it's not that sharp, certainly not bad but nothing amazing. I've had more luck with the summilux's
Colorchecker was a nice touch to show the differences after full color correction, thanks for the video. Recently sold my m10 because I couldn't justify the cost but it was lovely to shoot.
I think u need to improve your technique in using a rangefinder; focusing and metering.
Agree, I think you can have the same quality with all cameras. In order to make good quality images, you need to know your camera in and out.
Thanks Usman, another good and interesting video. I have heard or read of anyone else reporting softness in their images. Would an APO lens be sharper I wonder? Could it have been slightly out of focus? Did you try focusing with a. Visoflex? I know you checked with Leica and I trust you tried everything it the image softness just seems a bit odd.
Nice video. I remember seeing your video "How To Get Medium Format Colours With Full Frame" where you used a ColorChecker Passport to make a profile but I wonder have you ever made a profile with the ColorChecker Digital SG?
Yes absolutely.
The SG doesn’t create the same kind of profiles though, instead you produce ICC profiles. They’re a heck of a lot better than standard color checker profiles you produce in lightroom.
@@Sondercreative That's good to know. I switched from Lightroom to Capture One anyway. I guess that would mean for more practical uses, I would have to create a dozen profiles for different lighting situations (sunny, cloudy, tungsten, etc). I get why a studio photographer would use it for each session but general stuff like street and documentary photography means having it in every scene just isn't practical.
Does the Leica color science apply to all Leica cameras or just M cameras?
6:40 - I don't think it was a sharpness issue; I think it was slightly misfocused, which is easily done on a rangefinder of course.
Good review + brought back fond memories of working and going out in Leeds. I’ve just shifted to Leica after some enjoyable years shooting Fuji Xpro1 and more recently Xpro2. I picked up a SL for the same price as a new Fuji Xpro3 and so far so good. The principal advantage is the viewfinder for focusing manual lenses, particularly some cheap but good vintage lenses which are less suitable for use on a crop sensor. For me the SL presents a nice middle way + the JPEGs and RAW files have a very nice look to them when compared with the Fuji, especially in Photoshop (Capture One was just frustrating for me). There is one thing I’ve found though, the Leica is less forgiving, where as the Fuji produces consistently good shots with less effort, so for quick paid work the Fuji is still great, but for enjoyment of the craft, Leica is special. So I think a second test is in order, see if Dale Photographic will lend you an SL, but be warned, you won’t want to give it back.
Could you do a comparison between Leica M10R or Leica SL2 and Hasselblad 907X. To compare the image quality, color and shooting experience.
Hello,
Maybe you can upload the raw files for personal comparison, that would be great and very helpful. Thanks in advance!
This is a great comparison thanks for the efforts. I liked how you did the environment vs controlled comparisons. Appreciate that it would have taken some time and planning to produce this kind of contents. Would be amazing to see more of this content when you get more gear (Nikon, canon colours ?) ! That would be interesting.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I’ll definitely do more colour comparisons between cameras because it’s something I’m interested in. Thank you for watching .
This video sold me onto Fujicrons more than anything else
I use an M10-D (without a screen) for my professional work. I was nervous at first but once you get good and confident you can shoot it and get great images in focus. I shoot with a 50mm 1.4 as well. Usually i stop it around f2 but i will give my clients some at f1.4 and they are blown away by the look of the camera and lens.
2:24
Fuji has more than just knobs and dials.
It’s dr400 mode directly addresses the problem of blown highlights in digital cameras, moving about 3-5 stops of DR from the shadows to the highlights!
Couldnt the same be done by changing some settings in camera or using exposure compensation.
Just shoot a darker Exposure and recover the shadows in post did the same. I guess the benefit is having in camera for the jpegs, but I’d rather shoot in raw.
Keep it up! Anyone worried about the relative sharpness need not. Haven’t we all observed the trend of digital photographers clawing for vintage lenses suddenly because seeing a model’s soul in LR isn’t so appealing? Film photographers like me have because the competition is boosting prices 😂. Sharpness isn’t everything. Leica is not in my price range but holding a M3 for a few minutes was quite the experience. If renting film bodies were an option, I would do a short project with a M2 and 35mm lens. Alas, I will hang on to my trusty Nikon FM and 50mm Ais. She has never failed me.
Interesting review - as for the discomfort holding the Leica, I can say that if I carried mine around without a strap for a while it would probably get a bit uncomfortable!
But anyway, I've never liked Sony colors either. Fuji colors are very nice - I really like Fuji for things other than people (city and landscapes, for example). Their color film is the same way. I do really like the M10 color for everything. The Leica Q color always needed a boost in LR but I think Leica really got it right in the newer M cameras.
I have my leica M10r with the 50mm sumilux and I can say this is better than anything I have ever used. I sure can't wait for Covid to sod off! Thank you for this review 🙏
It might be a simplistic solution, but is the key with Fuji to simply boost the vibrancy?
Unfortunately no, although that would be nice. Thanks for watching :).
9:28 Wouldnt be a camera review without a brick wall shot. Great job!
Thanks for the video, very useful. I own a Fuji and Sony and largely agree with you about their colour. I want to try Leica for their legendary colour buzz but atm can't justify splashing the cash. I own sigma 35 1.4 L mount and probably look for a cheaper T or TL body. 1 thing i want to comment that colour science is personal preference, i definitely like Leica red and earth colour but i still prefer the blueish green Fuji has.
I have too much time on my hands if I’m commenting on these videos, but comparing the photos of the model’s upper body and face, the Sony, and especially the Fuji, look immeasurably better than the Leica. There are unsightly flare lines across the model’s face in both Leica photos that do not appear in either the Sony or Fuji photos. And I have to agree with others who have said the focusing with the Leica seems off. I have the Leica Q (and the Fuji X-H1) and, properly focused, the Leica is much sharper than the photos in this comparison.
The lens on the Leica Q is very different from the 35mm asph. You can’t assume the quality of one lens based on the performance of another, that doesn’t make any sense.
Having said that what do you think about the colours and not just the flare?
Sonder Creative They might be different lenses, but the 40 megapixel sensor on the M10-R ought to be at least as sharp as the 24mp lens on the Q if properly focused. The photo we are talking about is a mushy mess marred by a flare line across the model’s face. I guess I just can’t see how any objective viewer could judge the Leica photo better in any sense, color or otherwise, as superior to the photo to which it was being compared. I have the Fuji X-H1 and have shot with several Fuji bodies and lenses. I also have the Q, the M8 and the M240. I love both systems, but if I had shot that photo with either, I would have said, “Ugh,” and deleted it immediately.
Completely agree with your opinion regarding the colors. Leica looks so organnic and vivid, just right.
I have the 35 summicron-M and it is quiet sharp. Using it on a SL2 (47Mpx) and M10M (40 Mpx, no bayer filter). Not as sharp as the APO Summicron SL 35, but this lense is in a league of its own ! Anyway, the 35 summicron-M is far sharper than what I can see in your pictures. Challenged by manual focusing by any chance, especially at f2 ?
Unlikely because even in a controlled test with flash and on a tripod the Leica Lens was noticeably softer. Performance was also confirmed to be accurate by Leica too. I received a bunch of messages about it so I referred back to Leica and that confirmed that the results were as expected.
The new 35mm is said to be much sharper though.
Thank you for watching :).
Interesting comparison.
Firstly, I was surprised that the Fuji looked significantly sharper.....makes me wonder if the standard lower res M10 would be sufficient, seeing the relative lack of sharpness in the M10R, it didn’t look like the lens was out resolving the sensor after all. Park that thought, because I’m in the ‘sharp enough’ camp, so the sharpness doesn’t overly bother me.
The next thing I found odd, is that on one of the first images you showed, the Leica looked like it had more ‘film like’ hues, the other two looked digital in comparison.....but when I looked at the colour checker card at the end, the Leica colours looked like they had more colour ‘pop’ to me, stronger, bolder, vibrant shades....which kind of is the reverse of what I’d expect considering the ‘film like’ hues I witnessed earlier.
The other thing I noticed, is the shot outside the white/cream front door, the black clothes looked gray on the Fuji, but black on the Leica.
The other observation I’ll make though is that for me, shooting raw isn’t just about being able to adjust the white balance in post. It’s also about being able to tweak individual colours in packages like Capture One. So, this got me thinking, that (if I could be bothered), I could take a stills of your colour checker card from say the Leica & from the Sony or Fuji, and then for each colour square, create a custom profile that tweaks the Fuji/Sony closer to the Leica....if that was your strong preference, and you could set C1 up to apply that to your Sony/Fuji Raw’s to mimic the results of the Leica colours while still getting the other advantages.
The other thing that I would have tried is getting an adapter to put the Leica lens on the Sony too, to see if it produced that pleasing bokeh on the Sony too.....that may have been an interesting experiment to remove any lens effects from the comparison, although, the Leica lens may render slightly differently on the Sony due to the Sony sensors filters.
Awesome video! Do you think the colors from the SL2 are as good or better or worse compared to the M10 R??
I haven't compared the two but I find colours form the M10-R to be much better than the SL2.
@@Sondercreative Many thanks for the quick reply 🙏🙏
Man I loved seeing the differences. For me the Fuji images had the most commercial viable look but the Leica was beautifully dreamy and classy. Character. Those backgrounds blew me away.
Thanks for having a brave and honest opinion and sharing it in a compelling way. As a Fuji shooter I feel inspired.
Thank you for such a wonderful comment. Very appreciated.
Just realized those are just JPGs, not raws. Im wondering about the color of the Black top with the white dots. Was it black or darkblue? The Fuji shows it darkblue while the Like shows it crowblack. What was the real color?
It was black! :)
Like others, I thought there was something off about how much softer you reported the Leica 35mm/2 vs. the other two lenses. Fortunately, I can do a more controlled test, in that I have Fuji's M-mount adaptor, and the following lenses:
Leica 24/2.8ASPH, 35/2 ASPH (first version) and 50/2.8 Elmarit-M. All three are turn of the Millenium designs, and all are at least 18 years old (I bought the 24 and 35 new back when they were affordable, the 50 I bought used). Your 35/2 is probably the current version, so should be sharper.
Fuji 23/2, 35/1.4 and 50/2, all of which I bought new and I don't abuse or drop my lenses.
I put my X-E3 on a tripod, with the legs at their shortest, and shot the same subject, all on manual focus, with a 2 second timer to eliminate camera shake. For the Fuji's, I used the "back-focus" AF-L button to lock on, for the Leicas, I used focus assist, with maximum magnification. I still zoomed in on focus assist of the Fujis to confirm, but the AF is really accurate, so I didn't fee l the need to adjust. I shot the Leicas all wide open, and the Fujis all wide open and again at 1 stop down to match the Leica lenses.
I did not move the camera to change the angle of view to match subject magnification between shots, so I really can't compare all the lenses to see which is the absolute best.
My Leica camera is an M6TTL (also bought long ago when they were more affordable), so there's no easy way to compare Leica camera vs. Fuji camera. I'll happily do the same test with an M10R, a 50/2 ASPH, and the rest of the latest Leica lenses, but first I need to win the lottery...
Here are my results, comparing same focal lengths:
23mm Fuji easily beats the 24mm Leica, at f/2 and 2.8, but "focus assist' on a shorter focal length is difficult. I may re-test. The Leica 24/2.8 lens was discontinued 10 years ago for the 24/3.4, so maybe it's just not that sharp of a design after all.
35mm Fuji and Leica are about tied.
50mm Fuji is a little bit better than the Leica (at f/2 and 2.8), but the Fuji isn't actually 50mm. I've also tested the Fuji 50/2 vs. two Canon FD lenses, and the Fuji is clearly a 45mm focal length (or thereabouts) lens. I wonder if the 50/1 is also "short"? The 50/2.8 Elmarit-M isn't the sharpest Leica 50mm made in the past 30 years by a long shot, but it's a very pleasing lens. I have a CV 50/1.5, but wanted to test only Leica vs. Fuji.
I also looked at the 23mm Fuji vs. the 35mm Leica, but on the same sensor, so not the same angle of view. They're about equal, I don't see a huge advantage to either. If I zoom in the Fuji to match the Leica, it doesn't look as good, but that's not a fair comparison.
Overall, the 3 Fuji's are pretty sharp, no one really stands out heads and shoulders above (or below) the others, and only the 24mm Leica isn't so sharp. I'll let people with more controlled testing environments determine the absolute sharpest of the lot, but none of the 6 lenses I tested would qualify as "soft." My Leica 90/2 from 1960 (which has seen a pretty hard life from its previous owners), now that's a soft lens! Downright "dreamy"!
Did you use the rangefinder to focus the Leica on the color checker, or live view? Do you have access to a Visoflex to get the most accurate live view test? If you used the rangefinder, did you use a magnifier? Your rangefinder, even if the camera is brand new, might be out of alignment. If you wanted to re-test, see if your local Leica store can loan you an optical magnifier and/or a Visoflex for the M10R.
I have not used 35 summicron, but the much cheaper Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 (M-mount) is sharper than Leica, even at f/2.8. Summilux 35 would be a better choice for those who love 35mm focal. As the first lens, Summicron 28 is best overall (& it goes perfectly with M10 Framelines), & 50 APO-summicron as the 2nd lens, though a 1.4x VF Magnifier is recommended, to be used with a 50mm lens. I can tell from personal experience of using my 50 summilux + M10P (white). APO-Summicron 90 would be the best as a 3rd lens. For a Press photog, 28-50-90 as a 3 lens set-up shall be ideal.
I had ordered a 1.4 magnifier last month, and it will be arriving soon.
Nice going!
Try the same test reedited in Capture One ;)
Will give that a go :).
@@Sondercreative you will find great difference :) expecially with the Fuji because Adobe just sux for that.
Simeon Kolev so just checked in the latest version of C1.
The Sony file is a lot worse.
Fuji file has slightly more red in the image which has made Anetes hair colour look worse but the image looks richer in tone but only slightly.
Leica image looks worse due to red tones pushed too hard.
For the first time in a comparison, lightroom has done a better job lol.
Nonetheless, the conclusion remains between all three cameras.
There is just something about the Leica lenses that is difficult to describe and I believe you can see it better in black and white. The tones just seem richer than with other lenses.
Thanks for the video. That’s why I pay for Leica. I give a premium for good colors out of the box.
Those first images of the girl are truly dreadful and the light flare is terrible. Also, what does it matter how the images come out of the camera ? I've never understood that with reviewers. 99% of images are going to be worked on in post and if you answer you don't want to spend too much time in post then you should do something else other than photography. At least 50% of a good photograph is and should be in post. And a great image is always worth the time and effort. Sorry matey but after that first set of images I really couldn't carry on as any credibility you had up to then (and your presentation is really good) totally vanished.
Great video but have to agree with other comments. Owning both, there is no way the Fuji 23 is sharper than the 35 summicron. It's tough to focus the Leica that close to subject though in fairness.
I've got in touch with Leica and they have confirmed that they will perform a quality check on the lens. I should hear back from them later next week.
The lens was soft even when I shot with it in a controlled environment.
Thank you for watching and for commenting, appreciate it.
Peter Corcoran Leica has finished performing the quality check and confirmed the lens worked as it should. The sharpness of the lens was accurately depicted in the video, especially in the controlled tests.
Before I saw this video, I was close to throwing myself into the Leica Finanz adventure ... luckily I saw this video and am staying safe as sound with Fuji - cheers
Happy to have helped you decide :).
Fuji have a really great science on colors...
They absolutely do.
The leica was warm, flat and muddy looking to my eyes in all of these. If you’re into that trendy look of crushed greens, and people are, then that’s spot on for you.
The Sony colors look like trash, and the Fuji leans cold but pulling Fuji images into Lightroom isn’t what they were meant to do. The in camera rendering, or rendering using Fuji raw studio will get you the best rendering.
It's ok to disgaree :). I really dislike Fujifilm colours even when using Capture One.
I haven't tried the Fuji raw studio so I might give it a shot. I think Leica colours are absolutely beautiful. Also, let's be fair Fuji is copying Leica in a lot of areas lol.
Any way, hope you're well and thank you for watching :).
@@Sondercreative @Sonder Creative Fuji colors when raw post processed are hard to nail. I gave up a long time ago and worked out my colors the way I want them in camera. After that was really ironed out in my xt1 I sold off all of my Nikon equipment and then I just bought into the xpro 3 system. So far so good but I had to tweak the color profiles in camera because of the difference in sensor. I've used a digital Leica before and though I do appreciate the simplicity, I can't get on board with their colors. Perhaps with more time I would get them to edit to my liking but I really enjoy all of the time I save not at the computer these days lol. I'm all about the rangefinder experience and I enjoy their film bodies much more and their glass is excellent if not overpriced and largely unnecessarily good for 35mm film. I'll have to rent or borrow one of the new systems to see if my opinion changes. That's the beauty of the whole color thing is that you can find that thing that gives you the fizz.
Thanks for the good detailed video. I'm laid up with some sort of heavy head cold at the moment, getting through by watching videos of what I'd like to be doing. Thanks for the well wishes, and happy new year to ya!
focus on the eye is just missed with the Leica, but yes the color and over-all feel is more important anyway. The Leica colors are consistently realistic, which changes the subconscious experience of the photo.
I’m a little bit surprised, because the f2 35 asph is one of the sharpest lens on earth. I use this lens for 5 years on my Ms and also with an adapter on my Sony a7r3, and I think it’s way more sharper them my 24-70 GM. So it could be, that your focus-system in the M10R is not correct and you have to calibrating the system.
Leica discuss a number of other lenses as being much sharper like the 50mm f2.
I spoke to leica and they checked the lens and confirmed that it worked exactly a should. They saw the results of this video too.
I made sure to check lol
I think you missed focused. I shoot both X-Pro 3 and Leica Summicron. it is sharp
We performed some controlled tests and also had the lens double checked along with our results and Leica confirmed that the lens performed as it should.
Leica has since produced a new version of the lens which is much sharper.
@@Sondercreative I see. I don't know what to tell you, honestly that is weird.. One thing for sure at 06.55 you focused on her right eye instead on her left eye (FYI). It's almost like the lens is back focusing. well thanks anyway for that respond. Great video btw, please make more Leica reviews in the future (if you want to) :)
You can buy a handgrip.....
The reason the Leica colours are more accurate compared to the Fuji is because you've chosen Astia, which a highly stylized color profile. In particular, Astia thens to skew varmer tones even more warm, sa faces and brow hair can skew towards orange. If you selected Provia, ProNeg Standard or ProNeg High you'd get far more natural results on the Fuji. So the comparison doesn't make that much sense
I have to say I agree that the Leica looks really good though. I think I'd really like a rangefinder camera, but I even if I could afford something that expensive, I don't think I'd be comfortable walking around with something so expensive in my hand.
I tried the other profiles before settling on Astia and the other profiles actually performed worse in comparison. Astia did the best job but it just wasn’t quite as good in comparison.
Having said that, I don’t think Fuji is trying to be perfectly accurate I think it’s more about a particular look that Fuji cameras offer instead.
I’ve owned both the 23mm f2 Fuji and the 35mm f2 summicron, and my impression on sharpness is the opposite. I think maybe the reason the Fuji seems sharper to you is that your comparing a 24mp sensor at 100% to a 40mp sensor at 100%. Maybe it would be more accurate to compare with the Leica at 50%.
The Sony has a similar resolution so the 28mm being sharper than the Leica was something to note too. The results were the same even when shooting in a controlled environment.
Having said that, I have gotten in touch with Leica who have confirmed that they will be performing a quality check on the lens. I should hear back from them later next week. Thank you for commenting and bringing up this concern, really helpful.
@@Sondercreative I would like to recommend the 16mm 1.4 that is Fujis best lens. Otherwise 35mm 1.4. 23mm ist actually Fujis only small weakness in regard to lenses.
i think something's wrong with your lens. summicron asph does not look like that. please bring to leica to check it for you. cheers
Leica has confirmed they will be performing a quality check on the lens and I should hear back from them next week. Thank you for raising this, appreciate it.
Great vid. Agree the Leica looks great (even though I was hard rooting for the Leica to suuuuckkkk)
don't blame the summicron mate, it's more manual missfocusing than the lens quality.
The controlled test confirm the performance of the lens.
Wtf is wrong with your summicron lens... it’s a quite sharp lens... Leica is all about lenses, they have very good micro contrast and contrast. Honestly, your need to calibrate your camera with the lens if you think that Fuji lens is sharper.
@@Sondercreative Yeah, it sounds like your 35mm definitely has something wrong with it and needs repair!
A 35mm summicron asph can beat the pants off a Fuji or Sony lens for sharpness. The rangefinder on your M-10R may be out of calibration and/or your technique may be lacking. (As stated previously, trying resting the camera on the palm of your hand for a start). Also bear in mind that 40MP will capture a lot more camera shake so you need take more care. Maybe re-test all three cameras on tripods before coming to conclusions about which lens is sharper. (And do consider sending the Leica M body back to Leica for re-calibration. Quick test for calibration: do the rangefinder patches line up when you focus on infinity?)
@@EnGee23 The controlled tests were conducted with live view and the view finder. They were shot with flash and on a tripod. At least 15 images were taken and focus rechecked between every shot.
Also, the plane of focus is clearly visible to be in the correct place meaning no calibration issues could have impacted the results.
I'm sorry if this doesn't match what you were expecting but the results aren't up for debate. That's the performance, Fuji and Sony are sharper.
@@Sondercreative Then you should definitely send that lens in for repair. One of the elements must be out of whack.
Cory Silken Photography it came directly from Leica.
In my eyes, Fuji has better than Leica..Is it true that fuji has better results than M10R?
It’s perfectly fine for you to prefer the Fuji :). Thank you very much for watching.
And why I don't see this huge difference? And I see it on my 65 zoll OLED tv.
Is it calibrated :p
Leica color looks good but lens could have been focused a lot better, I know its a RF was used to focus and its not as accurate but with practice you can hit focus most of the time, I think its like an archer hitting that bulls eye, its hard but with practice you will hit it all the time! That said I know the summicron was way more sharper than that! If you scan the image with your eye to see where the focus plane falls based of where the region is sharpest, you will know where the focus is as opposed to where you wanted it to be, Not saying ANYTHING about your skills as a photographer here, no Sir! I am a leica user and love it and mess up many shots just the same! the ones I do get in focus, are gold! You appreciate the quality and sharpness of the M glass! There is a reason why they are so meticulously made and why they cost so much!
Is using a Leica like driving a rolls royce instead of a Fiesta.
Summicron is way sharper and more contrasty than the fuji, I had all Fujis and changed to Leica. I used both the Summicron and the summilux and they can't be any sharper. the "Leica Glow" is mostly applicable to pre ASPH lenses. You are just simply not in focus, plus the high resolution makes it more evident.
The images in the controlled test were absolutely in focus and that shows that Fuji and Sony are sharper. Leica themselves confirmed its performance after a quality check.
If you have controlled test results I’d be happy to take a look. Otherwise, it’s not up for debate.
glad to see you outside the cigar realm! #leicamasterrace
looks great. Looks too expensive lol. They may as well make a camera of solid gold since 90% of Leicas cost is in it's build quality.
All those comparisons show to me is that the Leica lenses show lens flare real bad.
Leica colour here is more muted than the fuji as its got less colour depth, the point of the Sony and Fuji is primarily about capturing detail, colours can be adjusted later. Leica has spent a great deal of time getting their picture profiles just right whilst ignoring the massive gains in sensor technology.
Basically, photoshopped images from modern cameras like the A7Riii/A9ii with Zeiss lens, will blow the Leica away every time as you have that better colour depth, ( a few bits higher), better ISO performance and so on.
Hmm I’m still not sold in the Leica
You’re probably in the majority so it’s ok :).
Imagine using the 35mm summilux
You have clearly back focus error on your camera, the face of the lady was unsharp but the hair behind was perfect.
Nice video, great job.
Yes you’re right I missed focus slightly when photographing Anete. The controlled shots have accurate focus.
Thank you for watching :).
Thanks to you for the review !!!!
Comparing a Leica M to a Sony A7 or a Fuji XT makes no sens. It's like comparing a 70's luxury car with a Tesla. I had many Leica M and R, a Sony A850 and A7RIII and currently a Fuji XT2 and X-S10. And frankly speaking, the most enjoyable to shoot with was the Leica M ; and the worst was the Sony. Leica M is a more contemplative, more calming and zen way to shoot.
A M camera is demanding, but in return, it is very generous. To the point that I'm looking for a used M10r !
However, a M has to be earned. If you want a "fast-food photo experience", keep walking.
If you aim to be a professional camera gear reviewer it's best to refrain from hyperbole. All of these cameras are state of the art, stop seeding doubt and provoke endless discussions over insignificant things. And please, next time don't draw early conclusions by looking at the camera screen, ridiculous.
Ok
Compare between photos with different dark level, and out-focus….
I think the Leica pictures were focused at wrong places, that is why they are not as sharp.
Possibly, but in the controlled test the Leica lens was significantly softer than the other two lenses.
But color is arguably the most subjective though...
It depends on what you’re discussing.
You should try the 50mm Summilux 1.4, or 50mm APO- Summicron 2.0. The Summilux lenses are the Flagships. Even the 24mm, 28mm Summilux are amazing. Check them out.
Also thanks for providing us the raw files.
I’ve heard a great deal about the 50mm f2. A couple Leica engineers even confirmed to me that they were the best 50mm lenses they had ever produced so it’s definitely peaked my interest.
Thank you so much for watching :)
Funny video.
1. Who ever put the 23mm on the crop sensor to get the 35mm "look" then compare to the 35mm len (physic focal effect is wrong). Then the 28mm on the Sony.
2. Talking about magical, just put the 35mm summicron on all 3 camera, even that 35mm was not make for sony sensor. Then compare contrast and color.
3. Easier, put some other same "value" on the fuji bodies, sony bodies, then compare again.
4. Put all file into other software like capture one then compare again.
5. There is no knife better than other, use them right and cook the food.
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I really preferred the Fuji images overall. I don't get the "dreaminess" aspect. The Leica photos seem to be a little bit brighter in the exposure and had more saturated colors. However, I don't like the soft focus of the Leica for the most part. But as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? Great video!
You should have just bought adapters and used the same lens with all the cameras. The Sony 28mm is not a great lens...it’s all about the glass!
Doing that takes away many of the advantages each respective system has. Each camera works the best with native lenses.
The 28mm lens isn't great but it's quite brilliant for what it is.
If you change that cheap Sony lens out for a Loxia or Voigtlander 40mm you will find the Sony far more competitive. Lenses matter.
Absolutely. Lenses make a big difference. I think Sony still has a way to go with how it managed colour but the right lens will make a big difference.
Thanks for the video Usman but I just need to say something.
For the color checker part , If you talk about vibrant color on Leica , It has no relation with “having better color than Fuji “ . I can find too many people saying that these colors on Leica are too vibrant or fake.
Also Fujifilm film simulations selections affect a lot when it comes to reds ,greens and blues. You can use X Raw Studio and tweak your film simulation and get amazing film look results easily which you can not do it on any Leica camera. You can get 16 bit Tiff file in camera.
I agree with you about models photos . I really liked the Leica colors on that. I prefer it over Fuji ones. However once you learn how to tweak Film Simulations in camera , it will give you advantage over any camera system.
PS: Leica does not deserve that much money. I go with Hasselblad if I pay that much.
Last I checked, I saw a Leica M10 on your wish list :p
Sonder Creative If you check recently , you will see 907X Hasselblad :)
Sonder Creative Waiting for your new videos soon. Especially 907X
@@GKhanKutar 907X video coming soon :)
Thanks for taking time to compare. However, I would argue that the lenses chosen with Sony and Fuji are pretty average lenses. Whereas 35 cron is one of the best lenses for Leica. If you had chosen maybe 35/1.8 for Sony, it would have been a bit fairer comparison. I'm not a fan of Fuji lenses other than 35/1.4 and 56/1.2
16mm 1.4 is the best Fuji lens, maybe now surpassed by the 50mm F1
On the lens flare, you were shooting the Leica without it’s hood so presuming you were intentionally going for that look!
On the ergonomics, you are holding it wrong. It’s meant to rest in your left palm. But you still insist to shoot with your current style buy a leather half case and thumbs up. Problem solved.
I shot all the lenses without a lens hood. I rarely carry one with me. Also the other two cameras were shot after the Leica so I was trying to match what the Leica produced.
@@Sondercreative Fair enough, but he's right about you holding it wrong. Try resting it on the palm of your left hand, perhaps with the third finger folded under. You'll find it is far more stable and comfortable than holding a DSLR or any camera which has a bulky grip or base - including mirrorless)
@@EnGee23 I'll give that a try, thank you.
Love the Leica color.
Of course there is, it's the "I just spent the price of a used car for a 3% quality increase" placebo.
Leica users with cope with whatever excuses they can to say the images from a $900 camera with a proper lens isn't as good lol.
Shoot with one.
What's magical is how Leica will charge you over 8000$ and you get those ugly greenish skin tones 😂
Whats magical is how a name and bling blinds people to technology 5 years out of date.
It’s their service times that make me angry. Rangefinder alignment due to bumps
There is no Leica look, people wouldn't tell the difference in a blind test. Leica make very nice cameras, should they be as expensive as they? Hell no. But they know people will buy them and justify it in their head.
There’s a literal comparison in the video which demonstrates otherwise...
Far more complicated then XT-3 or Sony? Since when is that the case, if you have no idea how to use manual rangefinder then get some training.
@@Sondercreative The best one for experiance is M10-D. There is nothing complicated there, just few dials and focus ring.The closest thing from Fujifilm which comes to film (memory) colors and in some cases looks better then Leica is Xpro-1. Xpro line is like the XT line is kind of successor of Contax (G and RTS) qua ergonomics and layout. As far as the color goes I would put my money on Leica M9.
if you need training to use something, doesnt that mean its complex enough to require training ?
Difficult is not the same as complex. The rangefinder system is very basic, not complex at all. Using a rangefinder to good effect is not easy!
This is annoying--and it may not be Sonder's fault, it may be that I am frustrated that so many refuse to apply a Sony color profile to Sony work and then complain. Or worse, offer it for a like on like comparison. So I will launch with my opinion.
It isn't news that Leica makes a phenomenal machine and part of that IS magic, nor is it news that Sony looks flat in Adobe products. Set up your own color profile for Sony or use Capture One Sony. The full C1 has Sony included. Leica has little on Sony in terms of color, they are simply different. I am not familiar enough with Fuji to make a statement.
One does have to set up a color profile to work with Sony in Photoshop. Capture One has a profile included. This is a pro tip: stop trying to put goofy color profiles on Sony and claiming they represent Sony's color. Also, if a person likes Leica's color profile and doesn't have $15k to put into a body and lens, they can use Capture one with their camera and change the base characteristics to one of the many Leica color profiles.
I know you are quite familiar with color profiles and my version of changing to the profile one prefers is the fast and dirty way. For the 10 people in the world who could tell the difference in the final products, the Leica could be worth the price. I would buy it for the lenses.
I love Sony and Leica colors. Other than Phase One and Hasselblad (which of course, are medium format), they are my favorites.
Fuji is nice as well. I am not a fan of Nikon's "bluer" look, but it has bazillions of fans. (I switched from Minolta/Sony to Nikon and back to Sony when the mirrorless hit. I just needed an excuse to move back.) Canon's warmer profile is great.
Looking through the back screen to judge the colors is an interesting concept. The screens would need to be comparable.
AmerHousewife you’re right about the screens and that’s why we hopped into lightroom to compare the images properly and also I made the images available to download .
I think Phase One colour is great for accuracy so perfect for architecture, however it looks a little clinical for portraits. Hasselblad is less accurate for architecture but looks beautiful for portraits and more creative types of works.
Leica on the other hand, well I just find the results to have a unique look. This is only on the M series of camera cause the SL2 didn’t have that same profile.
@@Sondercreative I agree with you 100% on your assessments for utility. Phase One and Hassie are hard to beat for product as well, but I am not shooting at that level. I have noticed the difference between the M and Q profiles when I try them in Capture One and I agree with you on that as well. It sounds like we have a similar eye in that regard.
I love that we have choices. I chose my Sony A7r3 for utility and technology to specifically shoot weddings. My health drove me into my other passion-- indoor studio work. Now I have more camera than I need, but all the camera that I love. I am working my film cameras (Hasselblad and Cambio) into my workflow and find that the color profiles are part of the story.
I have learned a lot from your videos. Thanks for putting them out. Stop triggering me with the Sony color thing, lol.
Base starting the Sony wins...
Leica Management: "How do we beat camera manufacturers utilising the best technologies?" Leica Engineer "Easy, we fit out our usuall metal bling with technology from 5 years ago and tweek the picture profiles for those that cannot be arsed to use photoshop and want to show off to their friends that they shoot everything manual"
Meanwhile a Sony pro is snapping off 30fps shots of skateboarders and pixel shifting 43mp landscapes before going into town to make 4k low light movies.
"But we have Leica lenses!!"...we have zeiss, so suck on that.
LOL, I mean there might be some truth in that but they're also very different cameras intended for different markets. This comparison is a miss match in all honesty but just done for fun :).
@@Sondercreative ) OTT but some valid points in there hehe.
Something magical about Leica ? With the amount of money you pay, there'd better be something magical about it.
The Leica shots look awful and not what I would call "magical". Indeed saying the Leica portrait shot is "way better" is bizarre, frankly it should have been deleted.
That's ok, we can disagree :).
Any particular camera and lens you prefer?
Leica's need to be held like a camera - cradle with the left (let the camera body rest in your palm) and use your right hand for camera controls. The other two are held like gadgets - tv remotes etc by pinching them with your right hand. Once you 'get' how a leica M handles, they are ergonomic perfection. Some of the samples are back focussed (hair sharp, eyes soft). Shooting JPEG instead of raw probably explains a bit as well. I enjoyed the video - really good example of Leica's natural color rendition on their new cameras.
I’m not sure about perfection. Regardless of how well you hold it the ergonomics are pretty horrendous. Something like the X1D is world better in that regard.
Nonetheless, it’s a brilliant camera.
Also, all images were shot in raw and jpeg. Finally, a more controlled sharpness test was conducted too in the video and that shows the true performance differences.
Funny but that’s exactly how I use my X Pro2 ...cradle it with my left hand and use my right for camera controls.
6:40 ecco perché un fan boy non dovrebbe mai fare una recensione. 8000 euro di macchina più 3000 euro di lente e non è un problema se è meno performante di una macchina che costa un terzo...
The leica isn’t softer, you just missed focus
I wish that were the case but it genuinely is much softer. Controlled tests proved this fact and Leica verified the performance.
@@Sondercreative BS
@@MrPhotographerDude well prove the results wrong.
Conduct tests in a fair manner, controlled lighting, wide open apertures.
Then demonstrate them in a manner where they cannot be manipulated.
So - if you prefer unsharp pictures, you buy a leica
Lol. Maybe, but it depends on the lens I guess. Lots of super sharp lenses available for M series cameras.
Not serious, with that terrible background music. Makes me so tired.
€3800 for the 35mm F2 summicron and even Fujifilm is sharper. Hence why I changed my mind on buying Leica. Imagine dumping €5k on the summilux to get mush at 1.4. But the look but the look. Eh no thanks. Also i wouldn’t have to send my Fujifilm for rangefinder alignment and have to wait 3-6 months for Leica and their useless turnaround service
Those are perfectly reasonable reasons to not want a Leica. I on the other hand, really want the Leica camera even though I really enjoy my Sony and Fuji systems.
@@Sondercreative I’m now debating 2 x Q2 - one Monochrom and one regular. 😬😬😂🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@Sondercreative I’d be too frustrated with servicing an M yet they are beautiful cameras
@@powderedtoastman3093 The Q2 cameras are brilliant. I really enjoyed shooting with them. Check out our review, we compared the two cameras.
I have the impression that you know not know how to focus properly the Leica....
Well do you think you could be wrong based on how little you know about me and my ability?
BS.
Everything can be correct in post.
Absolutely, if you’re an expert colourist with tonnes of experience then you definitely can.
Why compare Leica to Fujifilm or Sony? Why Leica to Hasselblad.
I don’t own a Hasselblad that’s why. I merely compared it to cameras I actually own.
Also, medium format to 35mm is different.
172 people don’t like the truth 🤣
Fuji is the only "digital" brand that gets close to Leica. Sony has no chance in this regard. Image rendering and colours are catastrophic with Sony.
Surely not catastrophic.
Yes, there's something very special about Leica: the ridiculous price. It is just a matter of "do you see me with this incredible expensive object?", not a matter of photography.
What is this manual focus nonsense in 2021. Why don’t luxury cars come with manual engines.
Well I guess why are luxury watches not full of apps and digital displays?
@@Sondercreative I understand if you say the Leica brand itself is luxury. Every luxury brand offers something clear. It’s not just an empty price tag. But then when you say “there’s something about it” but can never objectively define it.. then it doesn’t even earn the luxury free pass. Sony and Fuji are using the cutting edge tech in sensors and autofocus. Eye auto focus isn’t “all that crap”. Pattern recognition and AI are results of years of research and hard work. I am pretty sure that Sony, Fuji, Canon and Nikon are years ahead in tech than Leica right now.
@@Sondercreative By the way, let me stress that I love your videos including this one. It’s just that I would love Leica to become a bit more user friendly.
I will never understand why people would want to buy a leica. I think the images look like crap.
Something magical is that people try to justify the money lol
LOL, there is that too haha.
Yawn. Same old boring comments over and over again... It’s not for you, I get it...
But if your passion is photography and you have the skill, patience and dedication to push yourself and better your craft then I can guarantee you both the results and experience will be magical. On cost, most people I know spend far more on cars and mobile phones than I have on my Leica. No regrets whatsoever.
Paul I’m really tempted to buy it.
Paul what are your thoughts on Leica Q2?
I'm not saying Leica stuff is worth the money. But if you take good care of your stuff it will hold its value pretty good. My M9 and 50mm Noctilux are going up in price every year. My Canon and Sony gear depreciates like there's no tomorrow.
Using the cheapest sony lens ever made 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It's still a great lens.
It would be unkind to say this is the worst camera review I've seen in the last 25 years. But it would be accurate.
Why is it the worst? I genuinely want to know.
The most douchebag comment I have ever read in the last 53 years. Dung, you’re a douche.
I actually think it was helpful in a way as it it clearly shows the difficulty to get shots in focus when you are not used to a rangefinder. Summicrons suffer from flare, that a known issue. But still it looks soft, so maybe camera shake involved, too.
@@arthurpenelope4689 - Since you live in the gutter, I understand why you might appreciate this review. You and this reviewer are well matched, and deserve each other.
@@TheRoyPrasad You're here with us, moron...