This country is founded based on meritocracy, not mediocrity. The focus should be giving MORE support to minorities rather than taking the opportunity AWAY from the majority. U.S public school's rating has been consistently falling over the years and now this? This is why Bill De Blasio was the worst mayor of NY at all time.
Most Asian kids in the gifted and talented are from families where English is second language. The tests are usually given in English and consists of English as well as math. How do first generation Asians grasp the English language better than most Americans? Hard work, work ethic, strong families and lots of intelligence. God forbid you have adequate students.
But those Asians are acting in a sectarian way. They leave their countries, but expect segregated schools, neighborhoods. They must learn that if they are not happy with diversity, they should go back to their countries O
@@lalv8861 that is discriminatory. Every person has talents and passions. My mother can't do some simple Math like dividing ( for example 246 divided by 37) or if you tell her to turn right, she will turn left because her brain is not cut out for logic and numbers but she can sew a dress, cook a fancy meal without a recipe ,(using just her memory). And her friends include many professionals and successful women. So If the exclusion system you defend was in place, she would never had the chance to befriend people who were more academically advantaged. She worked as a clerk to a judge, went to college when she was in her 50s and now is retired doing what she loves the most, which is taking care of her family. So separating the problem who consider themselves superior is elitist, racist and a recreation of the caste system.
I fail to see how removing the academic goals of driven students will emotionally benefit others. I also do NOT believe the students are chosen for those programs at age 4. I have to call BS on that.
I don't think it's fair that there's not enough Asians in professional sports. The process of choosing the athletes is flawed. Let's just scrap the process, it just harms and segregates Asian athletes. I have a great idea... we should create a quota to create more equality! A certain percentage of Asian athletes must be accepted every year, regardless of skill. Personality matters too! not just test scores! just like getting accepted to Harvard!
I think Asians should accept racial diversity. If they can't stand sharing a classroom with blacks and hispanics, they should go back to their countries
@@resireg Who said anything about having a problem sharing a classroom with other races? Can you not even see i was telling a joke? It's the process change i have a problem with. And the joke was, if we can accept a certain quota of people into colleges/companies regardless of skill level, then we should do the same for professional sports then right? No because that would be fkin ridiculous.
As a gifted kid, there was definitely plenty of discrimination. The teachers were able to choose who got in if they passed the test. So like i passed the test and got in, but there were minorities who also passed the test and didn’t get in bc the teachers could choose. Also, intelligence and giftedness are not really real. Intelligence comes in so many shapes and forms, and basing it off of an iq test is pretty stupid.
I am a minority and It's doesn't sound right. If a kid is a high learner, fast learner why bring race in it. Those parents who oppose are sore loser types. They should keep the program and kids who need help should be given individualized attention.
Actually, eliminating the program will be a boost for gifted students' future success. Gifted & talented programs tend to not work (which is a less publicized reason why the program is being eliminated). The labeling and praise based on fixed-trait comparison to others can turn kids into insecure incompetent narcissists. All kids need to learn the same universal lessons of hard work & perseverance, to take life one day at a time, to find calm through communal belonging instead of constantly scrambling to maintain a sense of specialness. These are the hardest lessons to learn, especially nowadays, and gifted students have been deprived of them.
@@Jokaanan What part of gifted did you not understand. It's to help mold and nuture those talents. What nonsense are you on about. It's about the kids not your political agendas.
@@Jokaanan It is political becausel if it was about the children you would've mentioned ways to make the program better or mentioned ways to fix the current public schooling system not shutting down programs that help gifted children achieve more to be productive members of society. Because we need the talented members of society not more wellfare cases. By talent a mean high IQs not singing and dancing.
I think this is a big mistake. I went to an NYC talented and gifted school in the early 2000s and was one of only 5 white students in grades K-8. Was a fantastic academic foundation and benefited greatly me in my later schooling.
****I just turned 69, entering 1st grade in 1958. We were all white, so there was no such thing as "racial segregation". Fairly early on in the 1st grade, it was determined - by the teachers, I guess - who was learning to read faster and who were lagging behind. We were then divided into 3 groups. For example: the red birds, the blue birds and the yellow birds. It also became apparent who was progressing the fastest and on which chapter - out of the same reader - that each group was reading. For example, the red birds may be on chapter 6, while the blue birds were still on chapter 5, while the yellow birds were still on chapter 4. It didn't take the kids very long to figure out who were perceived to be the smartest. That way, the smartest kids could reach a higher potential faster. It can be compared to what's going on here, only now RACE figures into it. If it turns out the ones selected for the gifted category tend to be almost all white or Asian, so what? Let them reach their fullest potential and not hold them back so as to share the same struggles with the blacks and Hispanics. I know that sounds - guess what - the dreaded RACIST word! This very thing was partly behind racial segregation of the entire school system years ago.
As someone who was absolutely bored in school and didn't reach 'full academic potential' much later: this is terrible. You're going to make a lot of gifted kids miserable, and society is going to miss out on a lot of talent being optimally used.
I think that's it in a nutshell. What is a gifted student to do in a class - in his opinion - is lagging slowly while he is ready to go forward and faster?
They need to keep it and make it more accessible to minority children which means investing resources. GT is NOT about being smart it's about thinking differently and mainstreaming that without any intervention is a disservice to children. GT children can have emotional issues and be life long under achievers because their brilliance is overlooked, stifled, or a burden on the child.
The truth is intelligence is subjective and can not be accurately measured! You can't really call these gifted or talented kids; gift or exceptional unless they invent something. Getting the highest marks or grades on an exam or assignments mean nothing.... because many might study their butts off or could even cheat and or have the teacher booklet exams. Reminds me of back in college, there was one student who got the highest grades in physics class and scored perfect on all assignments; while people were worshipping him and saying he was brilliant... truth be told.. he took the class 3 times and already had all answers to assignments,quizzes, and exams because the professor reused the same academic packet such as exams, assignments and quizzes every single semester. So my point is... don't be fooled by so called booksmarts or that booksmart people are gift or exceptional. This is just all BS that is fed to us. The real problem with these so called gifted and talented programs are they mainly just reserved for rich and privleged people just like ivy-leagues This is more of a class issue and 100% support by commending, applauding and backing NYC for shutting down these gifted and talented programs.
also I should mention. there is also a lot of racism, discrimination, bias, and prejudice in school and the academic fields; it does exist and this also explains why many students may receive a failing grade or not that good of grades. The best solution is to stop discrimination and make everything more equal!
Are you claiming some people are not more mentally competent than others? That your average 'developmentally delayed' person can do everything a genius can (in terms of the integration, production and manipulation of systems of concepts, if we want to be as general as possible) if you just give him the right resources? Is that really the claim you're implicitly making or are my eyes deceiving me?
@@tropicalbeach9225no there is no racism. Blacks and Hispanics are not as smart. If there was racism then Asians would not be on top. You drank too much of the leftist Kool aid.
If that's the case then, might as well remove test scores.. remove the entire grading system, if not it's still going to show who's smarter... there are people out there that are gifted. How is this preparing them for adulthood...
Utterly nonsense
I recommend these families leave hell hole NYC to other cities
Being smart is racist now. We're living in a freaking alternate universe now.
Well yeah, that’s why Asians like me are literally the most racially discriminated against race when it comes to admission into higher education
The results of enforcing equality.
This country is founded based on meritocracy, not mediocrity. The focus should be giving MORE support to minorities rather than taking the opportunity AWAY from the majority. U.S public school's rating has been consistently falling over the years and now this? This is why Bill De Blasio was the worst mayor of NY at all time.
Bravo 👏 👏 👏 Nora, well said
@TourCaddie like what?
I 100% agree although take a loot into the gate program, it’s pretty suspicious what they’re doing to the kids
This country is based on SLAVERY
So they want all children to be exactly the same intelligence, talent, and ability wise? Not gonna happen..
communism
She said Latinx. I’m done with this
EXACTLY. Latin people don't use that term.
Before long the "smarter" kids will either be taught from home or be enrolled in private facilities.
A lot of them already are.
This just is hurting the poor kids whose family isn’t able to nurture my their talent via private school / home school.
@@danielliu8735
Poor kids which are inherently smart (high IQ. / Crystalized intelligence) will actually be fine. Research has shown this.
Great,
Rich kids will still be able to afford tutors . Poor parents kids won't. 😢
Most Asian kids in the gifted and talented are from families where English is second language. The tests are usually given in English and consists of English as well as math. How do first generation Asians grasp the English language better than most Americans? Hard work, work ethic, strong families and lots of intelligence. God forbid you have adequate students.
But those Asians are acting in a sectarian way. They leave their countries, but expect segregated schools, neighborhoods. They must learn that if they are not happy with diversity, they should go back to their countries
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@@resireg ??
@@brandongarber4335 they either accept attending classes with Blacks and Hispanics, or they are out
@@resireg They will accept attending classes with the intelligent blacks and hispanic peers.
@@lalv8861 that is discriminatory. Every person has talents and passions. My mother can't do some simple Math like dividing ( for example 246 divided by 37) or if you tell her to turn right, she will turn left because her brain is not cut out for logic and numbers but she can sew a dress, cook a fancy meal without a recipe ,(using just her memory). And her friends include many professionals and successful women. So If the exclusion system you defend was in place, she would never had the chance to befriend people who were more academically advantaged. She worked as a clerk to a judge, went to college when she was in her 50s and now is retired doing what she loves the most, which is taking care of her family. So separating the problem who consider themselves superior is elitist, racist and a recreation of the caste system.
I fail to see how removing the academic goals of driven students will emotionally benefit others. I also do NOT believe the students are chosen for those programs at age 4. I have to call BS on that.
Such a shame to hold back some children who just grasp,faster than others another great decision diblasio made but I bet his children get the best
I don't think it's fair that there's not enough Asians in professional sports. The process of choosing the athletes is flawed. Let's just scrap the process, it just harms and segregates Asian athletes. I have a great idea... we should create a quota to create more equality! A certain percentage of Asian athletes must be accepted every year, regardless of skill. Personality matters too! not just test scores! just like getting accepted to Harvard!
I got a better one. Anyone interested in sports will be granted access to training with the professional.
Hideaki Inaba was one of the greatest powerlifters ever.
I think Asians should accept racial diversity. If they can't stand sharing a classroom with blacks and hispanics, they should go back to their countries
@@resireg Who said anything about having a problem sharing a classroom with other races? Can you not even see i was telling a joke? It's the process change i have a problem with. And the joke was, if we can accept a certain quota of people into colleges/companies regardless of skill level, then we should do the same for professional sports then right? No because that would be fkin ridiculous.
@@resireg I don’t think you understand what he was talking about 😂 if you can’t accepts some Asians are smarter you should go back ur country 🙄
Forget black and white that doesn't matter. What matters is our future depends on the best and brightest no matter what skin color they are.
Gifted programs disprove equality. These programs also disprove the democrats agenda and must be deleted.
All children are treated the same thats not the question some Excell and should not be held back
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others -George Orwell
A human telling about animals and their hierarchy
As a gifted kid, there was definitely plenty of discrimination. The teachers were able to choose who got in if they passed the test. So like i passed the test and got in, but there were minorities who also passed the test and didn’t get in bc the teachers could choose. Also, intelligence and giftedness are not really real. Intelligence comes in so many shapes and forms, and basing it off of an iq test is pretty stupid.
I am a minority and It's doesn't sound right. If a kid is a high learner, fast learner why bring race in it. Those parents who oppose are sore loser types. They should keep the program and kids who need help should be given individualized attention.
Ending this program will be a huge mistake and also rob alot of deserving students from a bright future.
Actually, eliminating the program will be a boost for gifted students' future success. Gifted & talented programs tend to not work (which is a less publicized reason why the program is being eliminated). The labeling and praise based on fixed-trait comparison to others can turn kids into insecure incompetent narcissists. All kids need to learn the same universal lessons of hard work & perseverance, to take life one day at a time, to find calm through communal belonging instead of constantly scrambling to maintain a sense of specialness. These are the hardest lessons to learn, especially nowadays, and gifted students have been deprived of them.
@@Jokaanan What part of gifted did you not understand. It's to help mold and nuture those talents. What nonsense are you on about. It's about the kids not your political agendas.
@@w.s1097 Honey read my comment again without your blinders on
@@w.s1097 A hint... I'm sharing my knowledge about child psychology and education science. My comment has nothing to do with politics :)
@@Jokaanan It is political becausel if it was about the children you would've mentioned ways to make the program better or mentioned ways to fix the current public schooling system not shutting down programs that help gifted children achieve more to be productive members of society. Because we need the talented members of society not more wellfare cases. By talent a mean high IQs not singing and dancing.
Why not provide more assistance underperforming students instead of punishing hard working students?
I think this is a big mistake. I went to an NYC talented and gifted school in the early 2000s and was one of only 5 white students in grades K-8. Was a fantastic academic foundation and benefited greatly me in my later schooling.
****I just turned 69, entering 1st grade in 1958. We were all white, so there was no such thing as "racial segregation". Fairly early on in the 1st grade, it was determined - by the teachers, I guess - who was learning to read faster and who were lagging behind. We were then divided into 3 groups. For example: the red birds, the blue birds and the yellow birds. It also became apparent who was progressing the fastest and on which chapter - out of the same reader - that each group was reading. For example, the red birds may be on chapter 6, while the blue birds were still on chapter 5, while the yellow birds were still on chapter 4. It didn't take the kids very long to figure out who were perceived to be the smartest. That way, the smartest kids could reach a higher potential faster. It can be compared to what's going on here, only now RACE figures into it. If it turns out the ones selected for the gifted category tend to be almost all white or Asian, so what? Let them reach their fullest potential and not hold them back so as to share the same struggles with the blacks and Hispanics. I know that sounds - guess what - the dreaded RACIST word! This very thing was partly behind racial segregation of the entire school system years ago.
In DUHBlazio's disturbed world, an Einstein capable child would be dumbed down and never be given the chance to realize it's full potential.
This may be a alternative?
“The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Who Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too”?
The US has fallen behind so many other nations in math and science. This ought to help.
As someone who was absolutely bored in school and didn't reach 'full academic potential' much later: this is terrible. You're going to make a lot of gifted kids miserable, and society is going to miss out on a lot of talent being optimally used.
I agree, but it should be done later in life, because literacy rates among 4 year olds are very low (also small children are useless)
I agree, but it should be done later in life, because literacy rates among 4 year olds are very low (also small children are useless)
"We can't allow private school vouchers! They'll interfere with public education!"
The public education:
That is doing a disservice to the community and those gifted children that can benefit from the additional challange.
I think that's it in a nutshell. What is a gifted student to do in a class - in his opinion - is lagging slowly while he is ready to go forward and faster?
Good luck NYC! I'd get out of NY whatever the cost.
and we wonder why we're losing to china
They need to keep it and make it more accessible to minority children which means investing resources. GT is NOT about being smart it's about thinking differently and mainstreaming that without any intervention is a disservice to children. GT children can have emotional issues and be life long under achievers because their brilliance is overlooked, stifled, or a burden on the child.
Idiocracy. You can’t make this stuff up.
Ever since the caliber of the students, and their parents went downhill. Socialism is a slippery slope into the world of indentured servitude.
Mediocrity and leveling by the lowest common denominator. One more reason why multiculturalism is a bad idea.
I don't care if black and latino are doing worse. That's there problem.
Personally I would keep the program but the test would be raised to third grade or forth grade
I remember I was in GT back in Elementary, it was every Thursday, I'm from Texas
When we consider variations of Normal and beyond... the needs of better and content... helping helps
No one commenting here was a victim of these programs, I guess. I was in these in the 90-00s.
This program was invented by the CIA, I was in it.
Where did Bill's kids go to school?
Brooklyn Technical High School, Yale University🤣
Since his kids are out of Brooklyn Gifted Magnet program, he wants to get rid of them. LOL..
He put his kids into best school as he can
well, what can he do... his kids are dumb and he is mad and jealous!
You should have voted for Yang...
The 2020s, where nurturing higher intelligence is somehow a “bad thing” 🤡🤡🤡
It does not fit the progressives agenda of equality so it has to end.
Awww that's waaayyycccist
Wow.... just wow
And why???
this is TYRANY
You need more than one measure.
The material is the issue, if you find the material is based on ethnicity do what u can to change that.
Which ethnicity is calculus based on?
@@howardmenkes2926 asian and white
White or Asian 💯to💯
BLM
Now that's funny!
Intellectwebs are the best
Intellectweb are the best
The truth is intelligence is subjective and can not be accurately measured! You can't really call these gifted or talented kids; gift or exceptional unless they invent something. Getting the highest marks or grades on an exam or assignments mean nothing.... because many might study their butts off or could even cheat and or have the teacher booklet exams.
Reminds me of back in college, there was one student who got the highest grades in physics class and scored perfect on all assignments; while people were worshipping him and saying he was brilliant... truth be told.. he took the class 3 times and already had all answers to assignments,quizzes, and exams because the professor reused the same academic packet such as exams, assignments and quizzes every single semester. So my point is... don't be fooled by so called booksmarts or that booksmart people are gift or exceptional. This is just all BS that is fed to us. The real problem with these so called gifted and talented programs are they mainly just reserved for rich and privleged people just like ivy-leagues This is more of a class issue and 100% support by commending, applauding and backing NYC for shutting down these gifted and talented programs.
also I should mention. there is also a lot of racism, discrimination, bias, and prejudice in school and the academic fields; it does exist and this also explains why many students may receive a failing grade or not that good of grades. The best solution is to stop discrimination and make everything more equal!
Are you claiming some people are not more mentally competent than others? That your average 'developmentally delayed' person can do everything a genius can (in terms of the integration, production and manipulation of systems of concepts, if we want to be as general as possible) if you just give him the right resources? Is that really the claim you're implicitly making or are my eyes deceiving me?
@@tropicalbeach9225no there is no racism. Blacks and Hispanics are not as smart. If there was racism then Asians would not be on top. You drank too much of the leftist Kool aid.
@@tropicalbeach9225also equality does not exist in nature. Equality is a man made progressive idea.
@@NelcomarproductionsHumans are also from the nature though
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Good. All kids should be treated the same. No special treatment for smarter kids.
If that's the case then, might as well remove test scores.. remove the entire grading system, if not it's still going to show who's smarter... there are people out there that are gifted. How is this preparing them for adulthood...
while at it, dismantle the special education for disabled or slow kids. It's all about equality, right?
@@chrisd2193 : we might as well get rid of all competitive sports in schools too.
No special treatment for smarter kids? What about smarter adults? Are they next?
lmaooo lemme guess which kid you were