You have to be more careful regarding, not only the weight but the centre of gravity of that weight. I've done several times what you've shown in this video and I broke one bag frame. The problem seems to be the balancing of the bag while riding. If you can keep the heavier items in the bottom of the bag, you should be fine.Regarding the T-Bag vs the newer bags, I've the Explore edition one and for everyday use I think its much better and refined than the T-Bag. The rear pouches are much nicer with the magnets closure, the front pocket can be closed and the main compartment has a protected computer zone. When you walk around with the bag, the absence of a rigid handle, makes it much more comfortable. On the other hand, nothing can beat the T-Bag for grocery shopping and travelling by plane :-)
Thanks for your opinions on the newer bag! I wish I could've seen both in person (maybe I'd have gone for the newer one?). But I'm satisfied with this older one. I wanted it for a long time, you know? When I heard the news it was being discontinued, I immediately looked for one! Ahah
Hey. I am from Brazil as well, living in Europe and about to buy my first Brompton (even if I have been commuting by bike since 2011, I am very excited). Your videos have been really useful! Thank you very much! I plan to bike packing in Holland soon, if you ever come to Lisbon with your Brompton I would be more than happy to show you around.
For those looking at buying this - it has a rain cover! - behind the yellow zip. Works well but you get water gather on top. Also doesn’t cover the rear bottle or rear compartment. It will fit a large laptop in it and a change of clothes when you get to work. Usually you would roll the top of the bag shut. Pocket in the front for a waterproof and side pockets for a spare tube or a train ticket. There is a zip compartment inside for a mobile or trinkets. Also comes with a carry strap.
Thanks for sharing that info! I actually didn't realize it had a rain cover. This wasn't really supposed to be a review or an unboxing since it's extremely hard to find this model nowadays, but your information was really helpful. Thanks!
Thank you for this video! I ordered the Brompton Borough Rolltop bag for the same purpose- weekly grocery shopping. There are some delays with the delivery of my B75 and the Borough bag given the current situation, but keeping my fingers crossed that they'll be ready for collection soon.
I am glad you like the T bag, I have been using an older version of T bag (the bottle holder is on the right, the lining is bright yellow) for more than 10 years and I have not found another bag as useful as T bag! I have a even older T bag I bought more than 15 years ago, not as good as this one
Nice video. Good image quality and editing as well. Well done. So many American UA-camrs seem to love the sound of their own voice and gas on and on before they get to the meat of the content. A pleasure to watch and I don't even have a Brompton :-)
I bought my T-bag with my Brom in 2012 and it has 3x elasticated mesh pockets (left & right and a big front pocket) it also has a yellow interior, best of all it has 2x velcro strips with keepers that allow the bag to be closed without rolling the top down, so it can be overfilled way beyond its 31 litre capacity. It’s rear pockets are a zip pocket on the left and a drawcord closure open pocket on the right with a small drain hole, both pockets can take a 750ml water bottle.
Thanks for sharing. I managed to put a Brompton front block on my mtb rigid fork and used a T bag equivalent for touring in NZ South Island. The bag was very good. Hope to use my T bag in Korea in coming spring.
I've toured many times with the T-Bag, and use it on daily commutes I've carried MUCH more than 10kg. A cargo net on the top is great for touring, holds a map, hat, rain gear, snack anything you might need to grab.
I have 3 bikes and a folding bike for travel only makes sense.. how many times I have to box my bike so much hassle and cost when traveling... Folding bike makes so much sense... Brompton design is so functional and the bike looks cool.. I believe it rides well... I like the steel frame and how well it is made
I have a black M3L Brompton from 2011 and love the T- bag! Important to note that Brompton recommend you don’t use the T bag if you have the S type handlebars (straight sporty one). Loving you channel mate, best wishes from Cambridge England :)
Several years ago, before biking around Europe's 2nd largest lake, Lake Balaton in Hungary, a friend lent me his T-Bag to try it out. The lake is 150-miles around and I took it casually over parts of 5-days. I had all my clothes and gear in the T-Bag. It was flawless. I never felt the weight up-front and found the slots around the bag, several of which stretch, functioned perfectly. I immediately went out and bought my own T-Bag after the bike trip. Having both the S-Bag (day to day usage) and T-Bag (for high capacity requirements) gives you lots of flexibility with your Brompton.
You make some good points I especiallylike the netting idea. Im a courier and the way you packed your shopping is typical of how my bike looks and my bag has stood the test of time. handle bar mobility can be an issue but I usually cruise in such a crammed bag scenario so i reduce the likelyhood of having to make any extreme turns.
I have the original touring bag which has an ALL steel frame, NO PLASTIC. I can and have got masses of stuff in it. It's like a tardis. Unfortunately the fabric isn't water proof so I bought several external rain covers so when needed I put two on, one over the other, to keep the contents of the bag dry. It works.
When doing BIG shops I sometimes take a ‘racksack’ inside a rucksack 🎒, for extra capacity. BTW , I routinely exceed the luggage block capacity, often double, never had a problem
I regularly "overload" my T-bag to 15-20kg when grocery shopping and so far i've never ever had a problem. What's more, when I do this I typically am also wearing a rucksack with an extra 10-15kg+ and I weigh ±90kg. I did in the past worry a bit about this but have worried less since querying WBA (Will Butler-Adams the MD and major shareholder of Brompton Bikes) at a Brompton event many years ago, and he said he didn't foresee a problem. That said, he often (modestly!!) claims he is no Brompton expert, and it is true that the technical department advises against exceeding 10kg front and 10kg rear. Anyway, for what it's worth that's my personal experience, and I've now been riding a Brompton and car-less since 2005. Btw thanks to your excellent 6 accessories video, the Topeak Cargo Net is definitely on my To-Get list. As is the amazing X-Roller Eazy Wheel Extender 😉.
Good to hear you've been overloading the block for some time with no problems. Me too, but only since getting the T-Bag. Thanks for sharing the conversation with WBA!
The new T bag is better because of the magnetic closure of the side pockets. Also the molle strap from the front is usefull. I put the shoulder strap through the molle sistem for securing the content from the bag when is overloaded The front pocket whit zipper is also very usefull. Cheers from Romania :),
I have the old school T Bag. I love the crap out of it! The inside is a bright yellow to see everything inside. I wished the front wasn't such a flimsy mesh pouch though, but I also don't want the fabric like on yours. The size of the thing is so awesome. You should incorporate compression packing cubes for some better organization. :D
Please please please get the rear rack bag, distribute the weight over the bike, front and rear. Bromptons are so versatile. Always thumbs up for all your efforts. Thank you, and take care.
Victor, thank you for your great review. I also have a T-bag, its great. But not so comfortable if you have to wear it with just one shoulder-strap. Now I have 2 DIY straps with velco fastener to wear it like a backpack when I go by train. Anyway, the T-bag is a great option for the Brompton.
Thankyou nice video. I have the smaller bag & rear rack. I found l had to be careful on weight and amount of items carried both on the front & the rear, as it’s very different with a full bag and a empty one. I had light weight camping gear and it was fine for most of journeys. Best wishes to you and all your viewers. ☺️👌🌈
I find the basket bag seems to be my go to brompton bag, i have the s bag as well but hardly use it, the basket bag probs half the cost, enjoyed the video x
Great video and channel-i just subscribed. I used to own a Brompton M2L but was sadly stolen. T-Bag for me was incredible, not only it was perfect for shopping but also great for the British weather! Just checking you knew about the hidden luminous cover inside the side pocket with the bright yellow zip? Ralph
I discovered that the drawstring water bottle pocket will actually hold a full 2 litre bottle... same size as large Coke bottle. Yes, it is a pretty tight fit, and 1/5th of your total load capacity (10 kgs) is used all in one go, but it does fit in without straining the stitching or anything. Just slacken the drawstring as far as it will go. Note: Sample variation may mean that not all T-bags will do this, but it's gotta be worth a try.
I have the old style C bag and the older basket bag. Both have a rigid handle that I use all the time like a shopping trolley in a supermarket. The new bags and basket without a rigid handle are far less convenient. No rigid handle has stopped me buying the later bag. I stick with the scruffy old ones instead.
I bought the borough bag, in grey, 150€. Looks just ok, but the materials are really good. One disadvantage is that weights 1,6kills just empty. So you have room for only 8,5kg more. But it’ll be a bag for making Camino De Santiago in Spain
The T-bag weighs about the same, 1.5kg. But I wouldn't mind exceeding the limit by just a bit (18kg was way too much). I'd just be more mindful about potholes, etc.
I used that model T-Bag on my Europe tour last year. My biggest complaint was getting the rain cover on it when the bag was full (I got a lot of rain on that trip!) I kept bulky items in the T-Bag (to save weight), and used dry-bags on the rack for the heavy camping gear. For commuting around Dallas, I just use the 2019 basket. Touring with the Brompton was great - especially the flying.
It must be awesome to tour on the Brompton. I'm looking forward to it! I haven't tested the rain cover yet, but hopefully I won't use the bag this full anymore. haha
The newer Borough Roll Top bag with the soft handle can be used on the straight S-bar Bromptons, whereas the T-bag with hard handle was not considered suitable. That matters little for your H configuration though. I have recently bought the Borough Roll Top (for my M6L) and am very pleased with the 28 litre capacity, but am intent on keeping to the 10kg all up weight for safety and component longevity😊 I have been very impressed with the way the bike remains stable, comfortable, and still fun to ride when the bag is at capacity. Yes, a little more air in the front tyre can be helpful.
The Borough is beautiful from what I've seen in pictures. I'm glad you're satisfied! To be honest, since filling it up all the way will probably exceed the weight limit, those 3L difference in capacity is not a big deal at all... I still prefer the rigid handle, but maybe I'm old school. Ahah I'd love to have compared both side-by-side in person, but it wasn't possible. Anyways, these bags do a huge difference when using the bike. It remaisn very stable indeed!
0:37 - did you say what I heard? :-) :-) Once again, love your videos! I myself have the roll-top bag in that nice grey/neon green. Seems to be discontinued, so really happy I got it when I did. Love the bag - feels a bit like a bit of bikepacking gear.
Ohh tell me about it. Hahah it's the S-Bag. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it incorrectly or Brompton had a terrible idea for a bag name. HahaH seriously, T-Bag and S-Bag?
I have the same exact bag you have. I use it every day (for three years) with a laptop inside, books and notebooks and works perfectly fine. Not a single rip. But I never have filled it as much as you. If I have to carry more stuff, I have the rear bag. When I'm riding for pleasure this bag it's bulky. That's because I turn to the rear bag. But I've done lots of km with de T-Bag and the only problem I've experienced is when the wind blows against me. In long trips I use the T-Bag and the rear bag at the same time. And there's people who add a third bag, a saddle bag, but I can't tell you how does it feels when riding.
Is the rear bag from Brompton as well? I'll look into that. But I plan on touring in the near future with a trekking backpack attached to the rear rack, we'll see...
Hi Victor, and greetings from the north of England. I have recently discovered and subscribed to your channel - I really enjoy your videos, and your enthusiasm is quite infectious! I have a conventional bike, but like you, I adore my Brompton. It's a delight for shopping etc, and, with its 6 gears, it copes admirably on longer rides and my local southern Pennine hills! Kind regards, Richard.
Welcome aboard, Richard! I'm glad to hear you are also passionate about riding your bike around, and the Brompton is just a wonderful piece of British engineering.
I’ve got the S handlebar, there is a lot of myths that say that you can’t use many bags with it… I have one of the bags that supposed to be only used with the type of handlebar you have, but I haven’t had any issues when riding even about town and around parks
Happy to see you lifted up your handlebars to put your Brommie into proper “shopping cart mode.” :) Good info I’ve been using the t bag for about a year and never thought to check on weight limits 😱
Were you the person who suggested that to me? That was very helpful! I actually like both ways, but with a fully-packed T-bag it was much easier this time!
I have a T bag on my Brompton and I think it's great. One word of caution; it's very important to remember to fasten the side straps as if you don't! I have found it possible to get the brake levers caught in the fabric. All the best.
Hello again, thank you for the informative video. 10:16 Is the carrier block designed for 10kg because it is plastic, or can the screws handle a maximum of 10kg? Otherwise you could buy an aluminum carrier block and drive a few more kilograms with you around. The 10KG are reached faster than you think. As an alternative would go at most a suitcase scale to weigh it on the road. Thanks a lot juck.
Thank you for the very useful information. Recently, I've been traveling a lot in Brompton, so please tell me more about it. I subscribed to the channel!
Hi Victor, just found your chnl and Subbed right away. I’m new to folding bikes. Yesterday I picked up a used MEC Dahon Ride (I hope that’s not a bad word here). My research would indicate it’s about eight years old. From the original owner. It’s in great shape - looks new. I’m watching all your vids now so I thought I would answer your questions here. I’m from Vancouver CA but also live half of the year in Thailand. Well, when the planes fly. You’ve done a lot of great upgrades. Nice seeing you tour your city. I remember those summer Olympics. Congrats on the success of your chnl. I just hit 444 subs last night 😝Anyway, I’m learning lots from your videos. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing 👍 ALSO, seems i can't ding the notification bell.
Thanks for being here! I'm glad you got a used Dahon in great shape, enjoy it!! It must be nice to live in Thailand for half the year. Especially if you leave Canada in the winter, haha. I'll check your channel out. Another person mentioned having problems hitting the notification bell, and apparently it works if you unsubscribe and subscribe again. Let me know if it works!
@@PolarAttack great to know! Drop me a comment in the future letting me know your impressions about your folding bike! Always interesting to hear this from people new to them!
Two things...I had a 5-day bike touring trip around Hungary's largest lake, Lake Balaton, and for that trip, borrowed a T-Bag from a Hungarian friend. It was fantastic! I immediately bought my own T-Bag the next time I was Stateside. Secondly, can you provide a link for the netting you used on this video? Thanks. Good job!
Problem was the T-bag wasn't compatible with the S-bar Brompton. The rigid handle fouled the steering. You could cut the handle off and make a strap... so the Borough bag was born.
Not sure where you are grocery shopping, but I've switched to using the Kroger scan it yourself shopping app so that I can pack my panniers as I go. I have a Tern GSD (electric assist), so overall weight isn't the issue, it's balance. BTW, I second the suggestion of utilizing the rear for some of your cargo. I had some Wald fold down baskets zip tied to my old Specialized Hardrock, and they held quite alot. I'm keeping them around for when my daughter is big enough to ride a 20" wheeled bike. Don't know how they would interact with the folding, though.
The bulk of my shopping is done at Walmart, but I do go to Kroger every time I go grocery shopping. Thanks for the tips on that! As for the basket on the rear rack, that would really affect the fold, but I can actually attach my other Brompton bag to the rear rack pretty nicely. Will probably do that next time!
If you're worried about weight, maybe take a digital luggage scale with you for a few runs, just until you get some idea of the capacity. Also, it's not unusual for one tyre to seem like it's always lower than the other. Usually it's a minuscule leak from the valve. I check my tyres every ride on my road bike and at the moment the front is always a bit lower. It's fine for the ride. But yup, maybe put a little more pressure in the front to stop any bottoming out onto the rim in potholes. Any reason you prefer to load up the front, rather than the pannier at the back?
The digital scale idea is good, but I think I have a pretty good idea of how much I can fill it up before reaching the limit. I'll test on the next supermarket run. And yes, I should definitely check both tires before going out, because it could be a minor leak indeed. I'll also try carrying some cargo on the rear rack next time. I just wasn't completely prepared this time. Hahah I was too confident the T-Bag would do it.
I think the rear rack bag on Brompton is pointless because it simply interferes with the fold and that is the main feature of this bike. What is the point of having a rear rack bag that you have to remove before entering the store to fold the bike?
My dealer installed rear-rack in no way interferes with my folding or shopping functions. It does however present an occasional problem when I have cargo that is so large (read long) that my legs hit it when peddling.
I was touring in Sweden using the T-Bag, suddenly I started noticing some unusual movements. So I stopped, checked, and noticed that one of the two screws broke *inside* the frame :-( I managed to finish my tour but yes, here just to say you should definitely watch out and check that the bag+contents do not weight more than 10 Kg.
@@EverydayCycling tried everything but nothing worked. I managed to convince a bike workshop to drill another hole in between the two since that part seems solid enough, and that's how I've been using the T-Bag since then.
Hello, thank you for your excellent advice and help us to choose the most suitable suitcases according to the use that we are going to give , greetings and until the next video 👍😊☘️
Thanks for the video insight. I saw that you put around 115kg or 250lbs on the Brompton on that grocery store commute. I put around 220lbs (rider+cargo) on my full size bikes whether it be a road, gravel, or mountain bike on my daily bike commute to work. How much weight do you think the Brompton supports before it starts affecting the durability or handling of the bike? Of course, this is also considering that you have evenly distributed the weight. I know Brompton flexes so that is something I am curious about before deciding getting a Brompton myself. I'm a heavy rider too.
Nice bag. It would be a good idea to distribute the weight evenly front to back. Better for the Bike and for you. Find a bag for the rear to compensate your weight. Load the front 2/3 to capacity and the rest in the back.
Yeah, I guess I'll be better off doing that next time. I'll use the S-Bag, I found a way to securely attach it to the rear rack without hitting my heels when pedaling.
The most critical aspect of this is to ensure the top of your T bag does not get to touch the brake levers. If they do the act of steering ends in a fall. I owned the T bag for 16 years, I use the T-bag for touring many times. Some supermarkets have an app scan-and-go so you scan items as you place in the T-bag and then self-checkout, so you don't have to empty the T-bag to checkout.
Hello, on the brompton page I can not find the designation T-Bag. Does it no longer exist, or is this an abbreviation? I only recently got a brompton c line. Thanks a lot
It wouldn't increase the weight limit because the other parts involved remain the same (the bag mount will be plastic and the frame attachment will be only two bolts). A good thing about having the plastic bracket is that in case of overloading that part, it will probably fail before any damage is caused to the frame. If you swap that plastic thing by a titanium part and load with a heavy bag, it has the potential of damaging your frame, since the luggage block will be super strong but the attachment to the frame would remain the same.
Hahahah I shopped too in Lidl supermarket and I exceeded by far too the limit weight. I ended removing 2 milk bricks into an independent bag holding from the handle bar.
It would be a great addition if the bag could become a backpack, especially tor those who travel by plane and want both hands free, one to carry the bike and the other for anything else.
@@EverydayCycling What I want is a t-bag that can become a backpack. Not a small bag with a strap. I know that I could put a front carrier to secure the bag, but I want to just use a front block. So far, the only way to get such a bag is to get a Spanish or Italian off market design.
Have you though in changing the handlebar of the Brompton? I did with Ergon GP3. The looking is not as nice as the original handlebar, but definitely more confortable
I did use a GP2 for a while. I really didn't like the looks, that's why I shifted back to the originals. But I keep the GP2 for a touring, as they are really comfortable.
I have the “S” Type handlebars and the Borough bag. Love it, and huge capacity, at least for my needs! I also have a Roll Top Bag which is great for daily trips to work where I don’t need a huge bag. What mirror do you use on your Brompton? I would love to mount one to the left side and not affect the fold.
I'm glad you're enjoying the Borough bag, they look really nice! I'm using a Mirrycle bar end mirror. I had no issues whatsoever to install it on my bike, but I did have to cut the tip of the left grip.
Funny how both you and Brian D Vlogs both went for the old T-Bag for pretty much the same reasons. I wonder if Brompton made a mistake replacing it with the Borough-Bag? I especially agree with you re: the hard handle being replaced with a soft one for the Borough-Bag, although I note Joao Moura's preference for the new one in these comments too. Choice would be nice - why not offer both?
Nah, I don't think they did a mistake... The older bags look kinda boring compared to the newer ones! They needed a visual upgrade, but I agree that they could've kept both choices of handles. If I had the chance to look at both bags in person before buying, I might have decided to go with the Borough instead, but there are no dealers here in Atlanta and I really didn't want to miss on the T-Bag (that I already knew in person).
@@EverydayCycling I've just watched another review of Brompton bag choices from @brilliantbikes and it seems that the change from hard to soft handles is so that the new bags fit all handlebar options.
It makes sense! Still, when used with an S handlebar, you cannot fill the bag all the way, which is still a shortcoming since the rider can fit the bag on the bike but not take full advantage of it...
I’ve the T bag and want to buy a smaller one but didn’t make up my mind yet. Could you please put the link for the accessories you used for the rack to make the bike stand when it’s heavy? Thanks
Hi Zak. It looks like one of these: bikegang.ecwid.com/#!/Brompton-X-Roller-Easy-wheel-Extender-AL7075-Strong-Alloy-V-3/p/168930468/category=9803294 I'm planning to get one; I like the fact that it'll raise the mudguard off the ground slightly, which should help to stop the guard getting scratched on uneven ground.
It depends. We, as consumers, don't know exactly what would fail first if we carried more weight, only Brompton engineers do. If the first component to fail is the luggage block, then having a more robust luggage block would increase the strength. However, if the first component to fail is the bag, or the bolts that attach the block to the frame, having a titanium frame wouldn't help at all.
The limit would still apply in my opinion. There are several places where the assembly could fail (frame, attachment bolts, luggage block, attachment at the bag), so even if you replace the luggage block by a titanium one, the bag could still break, or one of the bolts.
Hi, I've just found your channel and I've been enjoying watching your videos. Thanks! Can you explain a little bit about the leather that you have laced onto the main tube? What is its purpose? Style only, or does it serve some sort of function? Thanks!
Hey, I'm glad you found me! That is mostly aesthetic, but it also serves to protect the rear wheel from rubbing against the main tube when the bike is folded up. A friend of mine from Brazil handmade it for me!
You have to be more careful regarding, not only the weight but the centre of gravity of that weight. I've done several times what you've shown in this video and I broke one bag frame. The problem seems to be the balancing of the bag while riding. If you can keep the heavier items in the bottom of the bag, you should be fine.Regarding the T-Bag vs the newer bags, I've the Explore edition one and for everyday use I think its much better and refined than the T-Bag. The rear pouches are much nicer with the magnets closure, the front pocket can be closed and the main compartment has a protected computer zone. When you walk around with the bag, the absence of a rigid handle, makes it much more comfortable. On the other hand, nothing can beat the T-Bag for grocery shopping and travelling by plane :-)
Thanks for your opinions on the newer bag! I wish I could've seen both in person (maybe I'd have gone for the newer one?). But I'm satisfied with this older one. I wanted it for a long time, you know? When I heard the news it was being discontinued, I immediately looked for one! Ahah
Hey. I am from Brazil as well, living in Europe and about to buy my first Brompton (even if I have been commuting by bike since 2011, I am very excited). Your videos have been really useful! Thank you very much! I plan to bike packing in Holland soon, if you ever come to Lisbon with your Brompton I would be more than happy to show you around.
For those looking at buying this - it has a rain cover! - behind the yellow zip. Works well but you get water gather on top. Also doesn’t cover the rear bottle or rear compartment. It will fit a large laptop in it and a change of clothes when you get to work. Usually you would roll the top of the bag shut. Pocket in the front for a waterproof and side pockets for a spare tube or a train ticket. There is a zip compartment inside for a mobile or trinkets.
Also comes with a carry strap.
Thanks for sharing that info! I actually didn't realize it had a rain cover. This wasn't really supposed to be a review or an unboxing since it's extremely hard to find this model nowadays, but your information was really helpful. Thanks!
Thank you for this video! I ordered the Brompton Borough Rolltop bag for the same purpose- weekly grocery shopping. There are some delays with the delivery of my B75 and the Borough bag given the current situation, but keeping my fingers crossed that they'll be ready for collection soon.
Wonderful! Let me know your first impressions on the Borough. It looks really nice! Thanks for sticking around Matt!
Enjoy watching you ride, introducing the Brompton bike and it's accessories
I am glad you like the T bag, I have been using an older version of T bag (the bottle holder is on the right, the lining is bright yellow) for more than 10 years and I have not found another bag as useful as T bag! I have a even older T bag I bought more than 15 years ago, not as good as this one
It's reassuring that your T-bags remain strong after so much time!
Nice video. Good image quality and editing as well. Well done. So many American UA-camrs seem to love the sound of their own voice and gas on and on before they get to the meat of the content.
A pleasure to watch and I don't even have a Brompton :-)
Glad you enjoyed the video and found it to be informative! ahah I tend to speak less than most youtubers, I guess. Thanks for being here!
I bought my T-bag with my Brom in 2012 and it has 3x elasticated mesh pockets (left & right and a big front pocket) it also has a yellow interior, best of all it has 2x velcro strips with keepers that allow the bag to be closed without rolling the top down, so it can be overfilled way beyond its 31 litre capacity. It’s rear pockets are a zip pocket on the left and a drawcord closure open pocket on the right with a small drain hole, both pockets can take a 750ml water bottle.
Thanks for sharing. I managed to put a Brompton front block on my mtb rigid fork and used a T bag equivalent for touring in NZ South Island. The bag was very good. Hope to use my T bag in Korea in coming spring.
I've toured many times with the T-Bag, and use it on daily commutes I've carried MUCH more than 10kg. A cargo net on the top is great for touring, holds a map, hat, rain gear, snack anything you might need to grab.
I have 3 bikes and a folding bike for travel only makes sense.. how many times I have to box my bike so much hassle and cost when traveling... Folding bike makes so much sense... Brompton design is so functional and the bike looks cool.. I believe it rides well... I like the steel frame and how well it is made
I have a black M3L Brompton from 2011 and love the T- bag! Important to note that Brompton recommend you don’t use the T bag if you have the S type handlebars (straight sporty one). Loving you channel mate, best wishes from Cambridge England :)
I have the Touring bag as well. Great space and love that it has bottle and wallet holder at the back.
Several years ago, before biking around Europe's 2nd largest lake, Lake Balaton in Hungary, a friend lent me his T-Bag to try it out. The lake is 150-miles around and I took it casually over parts of 5-days. I had all my clothes and gear in the T-Bag. It was flawless. I never felt the weight up-front and found the slots around the bag, several of which stretch, functioned perfectly. I immediately went out and bought my own T-Bag after the bike trip. Having both the S-Bag (day to day usage) and T-Bag (for high capacity requirements) gives you lots of flexibility with your Brompton.
You make some good points I especiallylike the netting idea. Im a courier and the way you packed your shopping is typical of how my bike looks and my bag has stood the test of time. handle bar mobility can be an issue but I usually cruise in such a crammed bag scenario so i reduce the likelyhood of having to make any extreme turns.
I have the original touring bag which has an ALL steel frame, NO PLASTIC. I can and have got masses of stuff in it. It's like a tardis. Unfortunately the fabric isn't water proof so I bought several external rain covers so when needed I put two on, one over the other, to keep the contents of the bag dry. It works.
You can see the name kalkhoff on the box. Fun fact kalkhoff was a German folding bike brand in the I think 70s
You are making great videos on the Brompton, thanks for posting
When doing BIG shops I sometimes take a ‘racksack’ inside a rucksack 🎒, for extra capacity.
BTW , I routinely exceed the luggage block capacity, often double, never had a problem
I regularly "overload" my T-bag to 15-20kg when grocery shopping and so far i've never ever had a problem. What's more, when I do this I typically am also wearing a rucksack with an extra 10-15kg+ and I weigh ±90kg. I did in the past worry a bit about this but have worried less since querying WBA (Will Butler-Adams the MD and major shareholder of Brompton Bikes) at a Brompton event many years ago, and he said he didn't foresee a problem.
That said, he often (modestly!!) claims he is no Brompton expert, and it is true that the technical department advises against exceeding 10kg front and 10kg rear. Anyway, for what it's worth that's my personal experience, and I've now been riding a Brompton and car-less since 2005.
Btw thanks to your excellent 6 accessories video, the Topeak Cargo Net is definitely on my To-Get list. As is the amazing X-Roller Eazy Wheel Extender 😉.
Good to hear you've been overloading the block for some time with no problems. Me too, but only since getting the T-Bag. Thanks for sharing the conversation with WBA!
@@EverydayCycling Wow!!!!! That was a quick response! Keep the videos flowing. You provide us Brommie addicts with some really useful tips! 😀
I laughed out loud when I saw the overflowing bag. Great video
Man you got me so sold on getting that bike AND bag!
Two Months later, bought both. The end
Nice to show the T bag vs the burrough version. At the same time 10kg. Is good to know. Thks
The new T bag is better because of the magnetic closure of the side pockets.
Also the molle strap from the front is usefull.
I put the shoulder strap through the molle sistem for securing the content from the bag when is overloaded The front pocket whit zipper is also very usefull.
Cheers from Romania :),
I have the old school T Bag. I love the crap out of it! The inside is a bright yellow to see everything inside. I wished the front wasn't such a flimsy mesh pouch though, but I also don't want the fabric like on yours. The size of the thing is so awesome. You should incorporate compression packing cubes for some better organization. :D
Please please please get the rear rack bag, distribute the weight over the bike, front and rear.
Bromptons are so versatile.
Always thumbs up for all your efforts.
Thank you, and take care.
Working on it! My next video will show you the rear bag I use for the Brompton.
Victor, thank you for your great review. I also have a T-bag, its great. But not so comfortable if you have to wear it with just one shoulder-strap. Now I have 2 DIY straps with velco fastener to wear it like a backpack when I go by train. Anyway, the T-bag is a great option for the Brompton.
Thankyou nice video. I have the smaller bag & rear rack. I found l had to be careful on weight and amount of items carried both on the front & the rear, as it’s very different with a full bag and a empty one. I had light weight camping gear and it was fine for most of journeys. Best wishes to you and all your viewers. ☺️👌🌈
I find the basket bag seems to be my go to brompton bag, i have the s bag as well but hardly use it, the basket bag probs half the cost, enjoyed the video x
Great video and channel-i just subscribed. I used to own a Brompton M2L but was sadly stolen. T-Bag for me was incredible, not only it was perfect for shopping but also great for the British weather! Just checking you knew about the hidden luminous cover inside the side pocket with the bright yellow zip? Ralph
I discovered that the drawstring water bottle pocket will actually hold a full 2 litre bottle... same size as large Coke bottle.
Yes, it is a pretty tight fit, and 1/5th of your total load capacity (10 kgs) is used all in one go, but it does fit in without straining the stitching or anything. Just slacken the drawstring as far as it will go.
Note: Sample variation may mean that not all T-bags will do this, but it's gotta be worth a try.
Excellent Video man... Absolutely love watching them... thank you!
Glad you like them!
I have the old style C bag and the older basket bag. Both have a rigid handle that I use all the time like a shopping trolley in a supermarket. The new bags and basket without a rigid handle are far less convenient. No rigid handle has stopped me buying the later bag. I stick with the scruffy old ones instead.
I bought the borough bag, in grey, 150€. Looks just ok, but the materials are really good. One disadvantage is that weights 1,6kills just empty. So you have room for only 8,5kg more. But it’ll be a bag for making Camino De Santiago in Spain
The T-bag weighs about the same, 1.5kg. But I wouldn't mind exceeding the limit by just a bit (18kg was way too much). I'd just be more mindful about potholes, etc.
Victor, good review, many thanks! :)
Glad you liked it!
I used that model T-Bag on my Europe tour last year. My biggest complaint was getting the rain cover on it when the bag was full (I got a lot of rain on that trip!) I kept bulky items in the T-Bag (to save weight), and used dry-bags on the rack for the heavy camping gear. For commuting around Dallas, I just use the 2019 basket. Touring with the Brompton was great - especially the flying.
It must be awesome to tour on the Brompton. I'm looking forward to it! I haven't tested the rain cover yet, but hopefully I won't use the bag this full anymore. haha
The newer Borough Roll Top bag with the soft handle can be used on the straight S-bar Bromptons, whereas the T-bag with hard handle was not considered suitable. That matters little for your H configuration though. I have recently bought the Borough Roll Top (for my M6L) and am very pleased with the 28 litre capacity, but am intent on keeping to the 10kg all up weight for safety and component longevity😊 I have been very impressed with the way the bike remains stable, comfortable, and still fun to ride when the bag is at capacity. Yes, a little more air in the front tyre can be helpful.
The Borough is beautiful from what I've seen in pictures. I'm glad you're satisfied! To be honest, since filling it up all the way will probably exceed the weight limit, those 3L difference in capacity is not a big deal at all... I still prefer the rigid handle, but maybe I'm old school. Ahah I'd love to have compared both side-by-side in person, but it wasn't possible. Anyways, these bags do a huge difference when using the bike. It remaisn very stable indeed!
0:37 - did you say what I heard? :-) :-) Once again, love your videos! I myself have the roll-top bag in that nice grey/neon green. Seems to be discontinued, so really happy I got it when I did. Love the bag - feels a bit like a bit of bikepacking gear.
Ohh tell me about it. Hahah it's the S-Bag. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it incorrectly or Brompton had a terrible idea for a bag name. HahaH seriously, T-Bag and S-Bag?
I have the same exact bag you have. I use it every day (for three years) with a laptop inside, books and notebooks and works perfectly fine. Not a single rip. But I never have filled it as much as you. If I have to carry more stuff, I have the rear bag. When I'm riding for pleasure this bag it's bulky. That's because I turn to the rear bag. But I've done lots of km with de T-Bag and the only problem I've experienced is when the wind blows against me. In long trips I use the T-Bag and the rear bag at the same time. And there's people who add a third bag, a saddle bag, but I can't tell you how does it feels when riding.
Is the rear bag from Brompton as well? I'll look into that. But I plan on touring in the near future with a trekking backpack attached to the rear rack, we'll see...
@@EverydayCycling Take a look www.brompton.com/brompton-esp/store/bags-esp/rack-bag-for-rear-carrier/c-33/c-713/p-1518
Great review! Love the squirrel! Ha
The best! haha
Hi Victor, and greetings from the north of England. I have recently discovered and subscribed to your channel - I really enjoy your videos, and your enthusiasm is quite infectious! I have a conventional bike, but like you, I adore my Brompton. It's a delight for shopping etc, and, with its 6 gears, it copes admirably on longer rides and my local southern Pennine hills! Kind regards, Richard.
Welcome aboard, Richard! I'm glad to hear you are also passionate about riding your bike around, and the Brompton is just a wonderful piece of British engineering.
I’ve got the S handlebar, there is a lot of myths that say that you can’t use many bags with it… I have one of the bags that supposed to be only used with the type of handlebar you have, but I haven’t had any issues when riding even about town and around parks
Happy to see you lifted up your handlebars to put your Brommie into proper “shopping cart mode.” :) Good info I’ve been using the t bag for about a year and never thought to check on weight limits 😱
Were you the person who suggested that to me? That was very helpful! I actually like both ways, but with a fully-packed T-bag it was much easier this time!
Everyday Cycling wast me, just saw in another video of yours and thought “he should raise those bars!” :) I subbed. Good luck with the channel!
I have a T bag on my Brompton and I think it's great. One word of caution; it's very important to remember to fasten the side straps as if you don't! I have found it possible to get the brake levers caught in the fabric. All the best.
The tea bag and the ass bag? 😂😂😂
Ahaha tell me about it. I won't discuss their choice of names (T-Bag and S-Bag).
Hello again,
thank you for the informative video.
10:16 Is the carrier block designed for 10kg because it is plastic, or can the screws handle a maximum of 10kg?
Otherwise you could buy an aluminum carrier block and drive a few more kilograms with you around.
The 10KG are reached faster than you think. As an alternative would go at most a suitcase scale to weigh it on the road.
Thanks a lot
juck.
Thank you for the very useful information. Recently, I've been traveling a lot in Brompton, so please tell me more about it. I subscribed to the channel!
Bromptons are awesome for bike touring. T-bag is great. When paired with the rack bag, you will be surprised how much you can carry.
Hi Victor, just found your chnl and Subbed right away. I’m new to folding bikes. Yesterday I picked up a used MEC Dahon Ride (I hope that’s not a bad word here). My research would indicate it’s about eight years old. From the original owner. It’s in great shape - looks new. I’m watching all your vids now so I thought I would answer your questions here. I’m from Vancouver CA but also live half of the year in Thailand. Well, when the planes fly. You’ve done a lot of great upgrades. Nice seeing you tour your city. I remember those summer Olympics. Congrats on the success of your chnl. I just hit 444 subs last night 😝Anyway, I’m learning lots from your videos. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing 👍 ALSO, seems i can't ding the notification bell.
Thanks for being here! I'm glad you got a used Dahon in great shape, enjoy it!! It must be nice to live in Thailand for half the year. Especially if you leave Canada in the winter, haha. I'll check your channel out. Another person mentioned having problems hitting the notification bell, and apparently it works if you unsubscribe and subscribe again. Let me know if it works!
@@EverydayCycling YES - great tip. Doing UnSub/Sub worked for "Dining" the Bell👍
@@PolarAttack great to know! Drop me a comment in the future letting me know your impressions about your folding bike! Always interesting to hear this from people new to them!
Two things...I had a 5-day bike touring trip around Hungary's largest lake, Lake Balaton, and for that trip, borrowed a T-Bag from a Hungarian friend. It was fantastic! I immediately bought my own T-Bag the next time I was Stateside. Secondly, can you provide a link for the netting you used on this video? Thanks. Good job!
Nice video. Very relaxing.
Problem was the T-bag wasn't compatible with the S-bar Brompton. The rigid handle fouled the steering. You could cut the handle off and make a strap... so the Borough bag was born.
Not sure where you are grocery shopping, but I've switched to using the Kroger scan it yourself shopping app so that I can pack my panniers as I go. I have a Tern GSD (electric assist), so overall weight isn't the issue, it's balance. BTW, I second the suggestion of utilizing the rear for some of your cargo. I had some Wald fold down baskets zip tied to my old Specialized Hardrock, and they held quite alot. I'm keeping them around for when my daughter is big enough to ride a 20" wheeled bike. Don't know how they would interact with the folding, though.
The bulk of my shopping is done at Walmart, but I do go to Kroger every time I go grocery shopping. Thanks for the tips on that! As for the basket on the rear rack, that would really affect the fold, but I can actually attach my other Brompton bag to the rear rack pretty nicely. Will probably do that next time!
Going to use the cargo net with my bag. Mind blown.
If you're worried about weight, maybe take a digital luggage scale with you for a few runs, just until you get some idea of the capacity. Also, it's not unusual for one tyre to seem like it's always lower than the other. Usually it's a minuscule leak from the valve. I check my tyres every ride on my road bike and at the moment the front is always a bit lower. It's fine for the ride. But yup, maybe put a little more pressure in the front to stop any bottoming out onto the rim in potholes. Any reason you prefer to load up the front, rather than the pannier at the back?
The digital scale idea is good, but I think I have a pretty good idea of how much I can fill it up before reaching the limit. I'll test on the next supermarket run. And yes, I should definitely check both tires before going out, because it could be a minor leak indeed. I'll also try carrying some cargo on the rear rack next time. I just wasn't completely prepared this time. Hahah I was too confident the T-Bag would do it.
Is there a reason you haven't used a rack bag on the rear carrier for large shopping runs? Split the load front and back.
I don't have the dedicated rack bag from Brompton, but I will improvise something next time for sure!
I think the rear rack bag on Brompton is pointless because it simply interferes with the fold and that is the main feature of this bike. What is the point of having a rear rack bag that you have to remove before entering the store to fold the bike?
My dealer installed rear-rack in no way interferes with my folding or shopping functions. It does however present an occasional problem when I have cargo that is so large (read long) that my legs hit it when peddling.
I was touring in Sweden using the T-Bag, suddenly I started noticing some unusual movements. So I stopped, checked, and noticed that one of the two screws broke *inside* the frame :-( I managed to finish my tour but yes, here just to say you should definitely watch out and check that the bag+contents do not weight more than 10 Kg.
Absolutely, that's the biggest problem. Did you manage to get the bolt out later?
@@EverydayCycling tried everything but nothing worked. I managed to convince a bike workshop to drill another hole in between the two since that part seems solid enough, and that's how I've been using the T-Bag since then.
I'm thinking of getting the new waterproof version of the borough bag. No worries if it rains!
That sounds like a great choice! I've seen the new bags online and they look really good!
If you carried a small piece of tarpaulin that you could put over the top it would also stop the insides getting wet when you had a full bag
Another great video. Arrasou, Victor!
Obrigado Luca!!
Hello, thank you for your excellent advice and help us to choose the most suitable suitcases according to the use that we are going to give , greetings and until the next video 👍😊☘️
Glad it was helpful! There are bags for all needs and tastes!
Victor, thanks so much for the video. Can you give the reference of the outside mesh and how to plug it in s bag, for example?. Regards.
I love my T bag ! Very useful.
I like t bagging
Great choice of bag!
Thanks Manny!
I have this bag and I've always been amazed at how much it holds
I'm in love with it!
Thanks for the video insight. I saw that you put around 115kg or 250lbs on the Brompton on that grocery store commute. I put around 220lbs (rider+cargo) on my full size bikes whether it be a road, gravel, or mountain bike on my daily bike commute to work. How much weight do you think the Brompton supports before it starts affecting the durability or handling of the bike? Of course, this is also considering that you have evenly distributed the weight. I know Brompton flexes so that is something I am curious about before deciding getting a Brompton myself. I'm a heavy rider too.
A screw broke und stuck half inside the bike.
with high pressure in the tires and a bumpy road the tbag can be too big. and 10 kg too much...
Bravo Victor !
Nice bag. It would be a good idea to distribute the weight evenly front to back. Better for the Bike and for you. Find a bag for the rear to compensate your weight. Load the front 2/3 to capacity and the rest in the back.
Yeah, I guess I'll be better off doing that next time. I'll use the S-Bag, I found a way to securely attach it to the rear rack without hitting my heels when pedaling.
The most critical aspect of this is to ensure the top of your T bag does not get to touch the brake levers. If they do the act of steering ends in a fall. I owned the T bag for 16 years, I use the T-bag for touring many times. Some supermarkets have an app scan-and-go so you scan items as you place in the T-bag and then self-checkout, so you don't have to empty the T-bag to checkout.
Hello friend. Where did you get your water bottle holder?
It looks like a different part
Great video... thanks!!!
Glad you liked it!
Thank your awesome Brompton videos. It encourages me to take my S6E (originally S6L) to ATL for a visit.
Hello,
on the brompton page I can not find the designation T-Bag. Does it no longer exist, or is this an abbreviation?
I only recently got a brompton c line.
Thanks a lot
If you get one of those fancy Titanium front blocks can you put more than 10kg? Around 3:30
It wouldn't increase the weight limit because the other parts involved remain the same (the bag mount will be plastic and the frame attachment will be only two bolts). A good thing about having the plastic bracket is that in case of overloading that part, it will probably fail before any damage is caused to the frame. If you swap that plastic thing by a titanium part and load with a heavy bag, it has the potential of damaging your frame, since the luggage block will be super strong but the attachment to the frame would remain the same.
@@EverydayCycling What a gem of a reply, absolutely spot on on every point!
Hahahah I shopped too in Lidl supermarket and I exceeded by far too the limit weight. I ended removing 2 milk bricks into an independent bag holding from the handle bar.
Ahaha I should've done the same...
Excelent video! Excelent test! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👌🏼
It would be a great addition if the bag could become a backpack, especially tor those who travel by plane and want both hands free, one to carry the bike and the other for anything else.
One of the bags in their newer collection can be used as a backpack!
@@EverydayCycling What I want is a t-bag that can become a backpack. Not a small bag with a strap. I know that I could put a front carrier to secure the bag, but I want to just use a front block. So far, the only way to get such a bag is to get a Spanish or Italian off market design.
why not use the luggage rack at the back
Have you though in changing the handlebar of the Brompton? I did with Ergon GP3. The looking is not as nice as the original handlebar, but definitely more confortable
I did use a GP2 for a while. I really didn't like the looks, that's why I shifted back to the originals. But I keep the GP2 for a touring, as they are really comfortable.
Can you use only Brompton tires and tubes? Are those proprietary? Same question for the derailleur?
What do u feel about the new bag the one in grey and blue that roll up..in L size ?
Thank You for the review! Great Video! Can You please share the link, where to get Your cargo net?
Sure, it's the Topeak Cargo Net. I got it from REI: www.rei.com/product/797996/topeak-cargo-net
@@EverydayCycling Thank You !!
You should go out and show everyone your T-bag.
I love T-bagging.😜🤪
That’s so cool!
Thank you Jaqueline!
I 've seen the T Bag for sale at 150 euro but the connector must be bought separately for an extra 20euro and screwed in place.
Yes, the luggage block needs to be attached first if you don't already have it.
I have the “S” Type handlebars and the Borough bag. Love it, and huge capacity, at least for my needs! I also have a Roll Top Bag which is great for daily trips to work where I don’t need a huge bag. What mirror do you use on your Brompton? I would love to mount one to the left side and not affect the fold.
I'm glad you're enjoying the Borough bag, they look really nice! I'm using a Mirrycle bar end mirror. I had no issues whatsoever to install it on my bike, but I did have to cut the tip of the left grip.
Where did you get that cargo bag rope thing from?
This bag no longer available. Reviewing the comparable new design would be (more) useful to us. Glad you’re happy with your new bag.
need money :(
Tenho uma C-bag, uma S-bag e também uma basket bag mas só uso mesmo a T-bag pelo espaço extra para alguma compra eventual.
Eu curti bastante! Mas não posso encher tanto não! Ahah
Where can we buy one now ? Thanks
Funny how both you and Brian D Vlogs both went for the old T-Bag for pretty much the same reasons. I wonder if Brompton made a mistake replacing it with the Borough-Bag? I especially agree with you re: the hard handle being replaced with a soft one for the Borough-Bag, although I note Joao Moura's preference for the new one in these comments too. Choice would be nice - why not offer both?
Nah, I don't think they did a mistake... The older bags look kinda boring compared to the newer ones! They needed a visual upgrade, but I agree that they could've kept both choices of handles. If I had the chance to look at both bags in person before buying, I might have decided to go with the Borough instead, but there are no dealers here in Atlanta and I really didn't want to miss on the T-Bag (that I already knew in person).
@@EverydayCycling I've just watched another review of Brompton bag choices from @brilliantbikes and it seems that the change from hard to soft handles is so that the new bags fit all handlebar options.
It makes sense! Still, when used with an S handlebar, you cannot fill the bag all the way, which is still a shortcoming since the rider can fit the bag on the bike but not take full advantage of it...
Can you use this bag with electric brompton. Does the middle part fit to battery?
Thanks for video :)
Greetings from Istanbul
Where did you get the t-bag? I have found it's very hard to buy
I’ve the T bag and want to buy a smaller one but didn’t make up my mind yet. Could you please put the link for the accessories you used for the rack to make the bike stand when it’s heavy? Thanks
Hi Zak. It looks like one of these: bikegang.ecwid.com/#!/Brompton-X-Roller-Easy-wheel-Extender-AL7075-Strong-Alloy-V-3/p/168930468/category=9803294
I'm planning to get one; I like the fact that it'll raise the mudguard off the ground slightly, which should help to stop the guard getting scratched on uneven ground.
That's the one Graham. Mine is from MiniMODs, but the design seems to be exactly the same!
Where can I get that water bottle bag online? How much is it?
Would an aftermarket metal luggage block (titanium) have a higher weight limit??
It depends. We, as consumers, don't know exactly what would fail first if we carried more weight, only Brompton engineers do. If the first component to fail is the luggage block, then having a more robust luggage block would increase the strength. However, if the first component to fail is the bag, or the bolts that attach the block to the frame, having a titanium frame wouldn't help at all.
@@EverydayCycling thanks!
A great channel.
you said you have a H stem. is your bike pre 2018 or younger?
What would happen weight wise if you changed out the plastic block for a Titanium or steel version?
The limit would still apply in my opinion. There are several places where the assembly could fail (frame, attachment bolts, luggage block, attachment at the bag), so even if you replace the luggage block by a titanium one, the bag could still break, or one of the bolts.
Could you have used another bag and carried on the rear rack? Hard to wrap my head around metric measurements, I’m just an old Native American guy. 😜
Hi, I've just found your channel and I've been enjoying watching your videos. Thanks! Can you explain a little bit about the leather that you have laced onto the main tube? What is its purpose? Style only, or does it serve some sort of function? Thanks!
Hey, I'm glad you found me! That is mostly aesthetic, but it also serves to protect the rear wheel from rubbing against the main tube when the bike is folded up. A friend of mine from Brazil handmade it for me!