Really helped me a lot! I have a 21’ hellcat that when I punched it from low roll it wanted to sputter and “misfire” then got its shit together, gonna try and swap out the pilot tomorrow! Thanks
So you putted Pilot 25 and Main 100? Cause I’ve putted Pilot 40 and Main 110 it’s running way better I have lil bog on the 3rd gear, what do you suggest me? I still have the original Intake (20mm) with a Nibbi Carb 24mm, tomorrow I’ll replace the Intake, so do you think that I need to set the nedle too or change again jets?
Just seen the company that makes hawks came out with a grom clone called rps condor. Might be heading to Arrington to pick one up since they are under 2k for one.
Sorry for all the questions but I just got mine and I'm still learning so I'm curious as to what emissions parts I need to remove. I know about the carbon filter but that's it. It's in California so has all the CA legal crap
The biggest things I removed were the charcoal canister and the EGR pump. All I had to do was block off the EGR port on the underside of the head. If you get a new carb and manifold, it won't have the vacuum port. If you choose to keep your stock carb, you can just cap it off
Hey Isaac, thanks for the feedback! This exhaust (Zoom Brute) is a direct fit for the Honda Grom. Due to the angle of the exhaust port on the clone engines, I had to use a torch and pipes to bend it to fit. It can definitely be done though!
What I like to do if im gonna stick to the stock carb is I blue print it I go through it all and drill out the orifices in the bowl so it would flow more gasoline since these China carbs dont flow that good no two China carbs are the same it helps trust me
Hey Greg! This exhaust is actually a Honda Grom piece. Zoom Brute is the model. It's not a direct fit but it will work with some persuasion. I had to heat and bend it with a torch and some pipe.
What did you have ur fuel/mixture screw set at? I’m running a 98main and 15 pilot, idles fine but full throttling it bogs n dies its super rich, needle is set in the middle, 790ft above sea level.
Man unfortunately I couldn't tell you. I sold this bike a long time ago.if it bogs super rich, this points to a too large main jet. Your fuel mixture screw adjust idle AFR.
@@BrunerTunerAhh man gotcha! Yeah like idling it’s fine but soon as I full throttle at idle it bogs and wants to die, when I take the manifold off gas is just sitting everywhere I’m lost lol
I see you have the TST fender eliminator kit on your Vader Boone Did you have to get the OME Honda ground plastics to make it fit correctly? Please let me know I recently ordered one and having troubles I went ahead and ordered the OME parts hoping praying that that's what will solve it very excited to hear back from you Thank you
i have a boom lil duc (ssr razkull clone) that i plan to put the vm22 carb on there which i think comes with a 90 or 95 jet. do you remove the charcoal canister with this mod and do the bottom block off plate? i dont have an aftermaket exhaust yet, just the front 16t sprocket.
So on mine, I removed all of the EGR, charcoal canister, basically all emissions stuff. For the EGR block off, the gy6 EGR plate works, or you can just bolt down a penny under the EGR pipe for a quick fix.
I need help, I just finished installing mine carb but it doesn’t start. The grey plastic thing where the needle for the throttle is doesn’t go all way down, there is a gap where the air will flow thru. Could that be the issue why it doesn’t start?
@@BrunerTuner do you know what the sea level is where you reside? With Texas it could be right at sea level or almost 9000 above. I'm in Florida so I guess I'm just trying to find the best starting point based off of sea level data.
I putbkn a new fake carb. It's idling high, around 6k. I put in a 105 main jet prior to installing. Would that need adjusting? The throttle doesn't fully close when looking into it, slightly open. Kept the stock pilot jet. Help?
I’m having a prob with my bike so I change my filter to a cone one and now when I give it gas it acts as if it wanna bogg down(shut off) what could be the problem(I have the boom Vader)
Well this video breaks most of that down. If you add more air, you need more fuel. You could start by figuring out where it is bogging at and go from there buy buying larger jets
Well, like most 125cc clones, a gearing change does a lot for top speed. Most people get a 16 or 17 tooth front sprocket and that will get you in the mid 50s mph. Past that, a vm22 carb and a free flowing exhaust will help tons. You should be able to get close to 60mph with those mods. Anything more, and it's worth getting a zs190
Ok , right now stock I’m getting about 55 max . What’s the best choice to get it maybe to 65? And do you know of any good sounding exhaust? Do I need to get a full exhaust system or a slip on ? I’m sorry for the long question I’m just genuinely trying to learn
I would check out Clone Army on facebook. Use the search function and you'll see a wealth of knowledge. It all comes down to what you are willing to put up with. Higher top speed with gearing means you'll accelerate slower. A freer flowing exhaust will be pretty loud. 65 on the stock motor would be pretty tough. It's also worth noting that the stock speedo are notoriously inaccurate
I brought mine down to a 90 jet. Still bogs out until dead at full throttle. Any ideas what it could be? I have a Vm22 and a ransoto aftermarket exhaust
So, do a pull on your bike, and as soon as it bogs, turn it off. Then come back and check your plug and see how it looks, then tune according to how the plug looks.
The pilot I pulled out had a way higher number but it was clearly smaller! Sometimes elevation can change what you need as well. Honestly, if your bike runs well, keep it how you have it. Every carb is different
@@notoriouscowboy9773 they can be hit or miss as with most chinese clone products. Heck, the bike itself is no exception! Mine turned out okay, but if you can afford it, buy a real one!
@@BrunerTuner I’m trying to find someone who know how to install a 190cc Dayton in my 2020 boom Vader but the so called Mechanics don’t know shit about how to install them.
Nice explanation on how the carburetor functions. Thank you for the R&D on tuning your carb and showing what to look for on the spark plugs!
Glad you found this helpful! Happy tuning!
Really helped me a lot! I have a 21’ hellcat that when I punched it from low roll it wanted to sputter and “misfire” then got its shit together, gonna try and swap out the pilot tomorrow! Thanks
Good deal man, let us know how it goes!
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If you post it, they will come.
So you putted Pilot 25 and Main 100? Cause I’ve putted Pilot 40 and Main 110 it’s running way better I have lil bog on the 3rd gear, what do you suggest me? I still have the original Intake (20mm) with a Nibbi Carb 24mm, tomorrow I’ll replace the Intake, so do you think that I need to set the nedle too or change again jets?
Great videos like always. I’ll always come for the Bruner.
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I logged into my step bros account..naughty naughty boy, turns out!
Just seen the company that makes hawks came out with a grom clone called rps condor. Might be heading to Arrington to pick one up since they are under 2k for one.
This bike is actually for sale if you're interested
Sorry for all the questions but I just got mine and I'm still learning so I'm curious as to what emissions parts I need to remove. I know about the carbon filter but that's it. It's in California so has all the CA legal crap
The biggest things I removed were the charcoal canister and the EGR pump. All I had to do was block off the EGR port on the underside of the head. If you get a new carb and manifold, it won't have the vacuum port. If you choose to keep your stock carb, you can just cap it off
Loved the video, just got a Vader and working on tuning the carb and this is by far the best video. What exhaust is that? And is it a direct fit?
Hey Isaac, thanks for the feedback! This exhaust (Zoom Brute) is a direct fit for the Honda Grom. Due to the angle of the exhaust port on the clone engines, I had to use a torch and pipes to bend it to fit. It can definitely be done though!
@@BrunerTuner appreciate it! Loving the channel keep it up
What I like to do if im gonna stick to the stock carb is I blue print it I go through it all and drill out the orifices in the bowl so it would flow more gasoline since these China carbs dont flow that good no two China carbs are the same it helps trust me
Great Stuff. Off topic, what exhaust are you running? And where did you get it? Just picked up a Boom Vader and looking for exhaust options.
Hey Greg! This exhaust is actually a Honda Grom piece. Zoom Brute is the model. It's not a direct fit but it will work with some persuasion. I had to heat and bend it with a torch and some pipe.
@Tony Barnes Jr the part number is ZM-HD-MSX125-STL20-3-LO-DWN
If you good search Zoom Brute GP, you'll find it pretty easily.
What did you have ur fuel/mixture screw set at? I’m running a 98main and 15 pilot, idles fine but full throttling it bogs n dies its super rich, needle is set in the middle, 790ft above sea level.
Man unfortunately I couldn't tell you. I sold this bike a long time ago.if it bogs super rich, this points to a too large main jet. Your fuel mixture screw adjust idle AFR.
@@BrunerTunerAhh man gotcha! Yeah like idling it’s fine but soon as I full throttle at idle it bogs and wants to die, when I take the manifold off gas is just sitting everywhere I’m lost lol
Good luck with the project man! Thanks for checking out the video
I see you have the TST fender eliminator kit on your Vader Boone Did you have to get the OME Honda ground plastics to make it fit correctly? Please let me know I recently ordered one and having troubles I went ahead and ordered the OME parts hoping praying that that's what will solve it very excited to hear back from you Thank you
Yes that's correct! I actually did another video on the panel conversion because it was necessary to get proper fitment.
@@BrunerTuner you did okay I'm going to try to find that video as well Thank you very much for getting back to me man I appreciate it
Hi, i just bought this bike yesterday because of gas prices in California. I have the same carburetor, i need help plugging in the lines.
I never could find the link to the 212cc engine, you swapped out on you grom clone. Any info would be appreciated. May have over looked it
are VM22s carbs tuned and jetted out the box? is it "plug and play" or manageable to do as a newbie not mechanicaly inclined
I wouldn't expect anything to be tuned out of the box unless it's a factory carburetor
i have a boom lil duc (ssr razkull clone) that i plan to put the vm22 carb on there which i think comes with a 90 or 95 jet. do you remove the charcoal canister with this mod and do the bottom block off plate? i dont have an aftermaket exhaust yet, just the front 16t sprocket.
So on mine, I removed all of the EGR, charcoal canister, basically all emissions stuff. For the EGR block off, the gy6 EGR plate works, or you can just bolt down a penny under the EGR pipe for a quick fix.
@@BrunerTuner getting the block off plate will work so the canister and all that stuff wont be connected, its just dead weight right?
@@jonathancunanan yeah the block off plate is the main thing you will need
so did you get your exhaust custom fit??? I've been looking for a aftermarket exhaust for so long!
I actually used a Grom exhaust and heated it until I could bend it
@@BrunerTuner what did you use to heat it?
A torch
Is your carb a vm22?
yes, its a Chinese mikuni clone
I need help, I just finished installing mine carb but it doesn’t start. The grey plastic thing where the needle for the throttle is doesn’t go all way down, there is a gap where the air will flow thru. Could that be the issue why it doesn’t start?
It could be in backwards. It only goes in one way
I have that same motor 🤟 what spark plugs and exhaust are you using?
Stock spark plug with a modified Zoom Brute GP exhaust
What state are you in? Trying to see what jets I should run at sea level.
We're in Texas!
@@BrunerTuner do you know what the sea level is where you reside? With Texas it could be right at sea level or almost 9000 above. I'm in Florida so I guess I'm just trying to find the best starting point based off of sea level data.
Yeah it's probably about 1k~ish ft, give or take a few hundred here and there.
I putbkn a new fake carb. It's idling high, around 6k. I put in a 105 main jet prior to installing. Would that need adjusting? The throttle doesn't fully close when looking into it, slightly open. Kept the stock pilot jet. Help?
Added a mikuni carb and mine is way up at like 6 grand also. I have messed with it so much the battery died.
Something to check is make sure the slide is put in the correct way. It can be put in backwards. Also, make sure the choke is off.
I have a 26mm carburetor so I had to up my manifold to 26mm and get a fuel filter 26mm for my 2020 boom 💥 vader
I’m having a prob with my bike so I change my filter to a cone one and now when I give it gas it acts as if it wanna bogg down(shut off) what could be the problem(I have the boom Vader)
Changing the filter to a cone can effect the air/fuel mixture. You will have to tune the carburetor to handle the extra air flow
@@BrunerTuner so how can I tune it
Well this video breaks most of that down. If you add more air, you need more fuel. You could start by figuring out where it is bogging at and go from there buy buying larger jets
Thank you
I have question do you still use it? Does it worth the money?
I have one hell yeah
I have a 2021 wolf striker 125cc , I know how to ride but I know almost nothing about bikes and mods . How can I make it faster ?
Well, like most 125cc clones, a gearing change does a lot for top speed. Most people get a 16 or 17 tooth front sprocket and that will get you in the mid 50s mph. Past that, a vm22 carb and a free flowing exhaust will help tons. You should be able to get close to 60mph with those mods. Anything more, and it's worth getting a zs190
Ok , right now stock I’m getting about 55 max . What’s the best choice to get it maybe to 65? And do you know of any good sounding exhaust? Do I need to get a full exhaust system or a slip on ? I’m sorry for the long question I’m just genuinely trying to learn
I would check out Clone Army on facebook. Use the search function and you'll see a wealth of knowledge. It all comes down to what you are willing to put up with. Higher top speed with gearing means you'll accelerate slower. A freer flowing exhaust will be pretty loud. 65 on the stock motor would be pretty tough. It's also worth noting that the stock speedo are notoriously inaccurate
Great thanks so much man
I brought mine down to a 90 jet. Still bogs out until dead at full throttle. Any ideas what it could be? I have a Vm22 and a ransoto aftermarket exhaust
So, do a pull on your bike, and as soon as it bogs, turn it off. Then come back and check your plug and see how it looks, then tune according to how the plug looks.
@@BrunerTuner I had the choke on 😂 thanks tho
@@kurticus lmao happens to the best of us bro 🤣
Thats so weird you can get the same bike to idle on a 20 pilot jet! I needed a 48pilot and a 115 main but im using nibbi 26mm
The pilot I pulled out had a way higher number but it was clearly smaller! Sometimes elevation can change what you need as well. Honestly, if your bike runs well, keep it how you have it. Every carb is different
Whats your elevation?
Sub 1k ft. We're in Texas.
@@BrunerTuner same! So i should aim around the same carb specs for start. I run your set up. So it should help guide me pretty good
Do you know where I can get a used clone for cheap?
I would keep an eye on facebook marketplace
Hey Bro I need you help knowledge where you are?
I'm located in DFW, TX. What help do you need?
To raise the needle do I need to drain my fuel before ?
no
No you don't. The needle can be adjusted by unscrewing the top cap of the carburetor where the throttle cable goes in
Is this a 50cc
125cc!
Where abouts in Texas are you
Over in Dallas!
@@BrunerTuner excellent I am as well
Nice! Must owner as well, I assume?
There’s no way all that gas came out of that bowl.
No camera wizardry here my man
"how to give your carb a catheter"
Real g’s keep their bowls full of that gas.
He obviously forgot to turn off the gas tap before he started
@@memoriescreated bro it was like a quart. Lol
Where are you? Elevation?
Texas, about sea level
@@BrunerTuner Cool. I'm in DFW so this should be pretty close for my sons Tao hellcat
@@jeffomspaugh6691 we are as well! Well, Taylor moved, but I'm here. -David
@@BrunerTuner NRH. Getting my son into the 2 wheel addiction
@@BrunerTuner need to figure out a good exhaust swap next
I see a b5 s4 in the back 🫣🫣
You know it! We've got 2
My son's new hellcat definitely doesn't run like that
Very affordable fun
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Don’t buy this Chinese garbage just get a groom or a Honda Navi.
Bruh fight me
Over priced sucker bike honda
That’s a fake mikuni
Correct!
@@BrunerTuner I hate fake mikuni ..waste my money 🤬
@@notoriouscowboy9773 they can be hit or miss as with most chinese clone products. Heck, the bike itself is no exception! Mine turned out okay, but if you can afford it, buy a real one!
@@BrunerTuner I’m trying to find someone who know how to install a 190cc Dayton in my 2020 boom Vader but the so called Mechanics don’t know shit about how to install them.
@@notoriouscowboy9773 stay tuned to our channel. I have plans to do a 190 swap in the future!
7:25 'Pilot' Jet. This is a good vid, but is not tuning for stock carb and airbox, the Keihin PC20 copy. Does no one even try to tune the stock carb?
so overall you recommend 20 P and 105 M, with needle clip closer on bottom ? Also, what is the plug number ? I would like to run NGK