I can't believe it took me over a year to find this video. I've been using throttlestop for a while but could never find a decent guide to set it up right. This helped a lot! A thousand times, thank you
@@brysoncluff9887 I've since used my laptop in "clamshell" mode with an external monitor, and further dropped 10 degrees during gaming. Averaging 69-72 degrees now. Settings are maxed out for UQHD in order to hit 60 FPS. In Cyberpunk, that would be Ray Tracing - Medium. Fans are on performance or maximum. Not as loud as it is high pitched lol
@@adamzee4950 im in the 60's but my fans are loud but with my headset i cant hear the fan neither can my friends im gaming with, and i dont even use this setup the youtuber is using
I just got my M15 r4 and will definitely will be following this guide. I put my r4 on full speed and I thought it was going to explode! It’s so loud! It also gets out air from the side vents like there’s no tomorrow. Still a Beautiful Machine though!
jajajaja I got mines recently and just setting up windows 11 it got hot and shutdown even when connected to the power adapter. Waiting on the new one but seen all this info I think I will buy a regular laptop. If your almost explodes gaming imagine mines just installing windows 11!!!
@@MashITTech just overall with the specs and like gaming wise for how long will I be able to game like when new games come out will The hardware support it
6 cores is still the sweet spot for CPU IMHO and a 1660ti will be fine for a good couple of years at 1080p, you may just need to reduce some settings on AAA games to run well
Thank you so much for making this video i've been dealing with m17 r4 being at 100c gaming for 3 years. i wish i saw this sooner. I've been dreading open this thing up and repasting the CPU now i don't ever plan to do so. I'm able to play under heavy loads gaming 80c max vs 100c. This actually increased my performance due to previous throttling
Wow! Massive improvement on my old M17 R3 after learning about bottlenecks with an amplifier enclosed 2080ti pushing the old i7 to 100% constantly. CPU dropped to 73C with your guide. Thank you doesn’t express how utterly impressed I am but thank you anyway.
@@nextgengaming7803 well my M17 R3 bios allowed both undervolt and overclocking which was because of the i7 6820 but my wife’s M15 R3 only allowed undervolting but o/c was locked out. “My understanding” is that undervolting is permitted on all intel cpu Alienware notebooks, so I certainly recommend following this video to the letter. Ultimately can’t hurt to try?
@@nextgengaming7803 Confused .... 100% thought I answered this yesterday?? Anyway it's allowed overclock and undervolt on my M17R3 on a i7 6820 but only undervolt on my wife's M15R3 "My understanding" is that undervolting is allowed on all intel processors with throttlestop and overclock is entirely CPU dependant. Recommend you try it regardless because no harm can come from it if you follow this video to the letter.
This is so helpful dude. I have an alienware x15 and the temp of 100 degree is super concerning. I am going to try this tonight and see. If I keep it on performance and being down the core turbo boosts and wattage. I hope it will work completely well. Thanks again for this dude
Glad to be able to help but Dell locked the undervaluing out on the x15 with one of their BIOS' so if throttlestop is greyed out you may need to roll back the BIOS
Superb video. By far the best one out there on utilizing Throttle Stop on an Alienware M-series. I would also suggest undervolting your GPU with MSI Afterburner. I just spent half the day setting up the undervolts and repeatedly benchmarking, until I got it tuned just right, with a custom thermal profile/fan curve. I'd been utilizing this Alienware M17 R3 for about two years, without doing any of this. Considering Dell has recently replaced all components, including the chassis, I'd best make make the adjustments and get as much life as possible from the unit.
thanks im going to need this for a friend that is getting this computer, so he can be happy with the noise and get more battery time :3 , youre going to be a big tech youtuber soon, god bless you.
Thanks for the video. I have the alienware m15 R4 3080 with the Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10870H CPU @ 2.20GHz on a 34inch 3440x1440 160hz ultrawide monitore. TCC SET AT 10. My stable undervolt on performance with all clocks stock is - 135.7 (both cache and core). Ran throttlestop on 960m size and received a score 67. Ran this for about 3 times. No errors. Ran it again at 7680m size. No errors. Ran time spy, with overclock on 3080 at 150 core clock, and 250 memory clock. received score of 11854 Ran cinebench (sorry i forgot the score)- no errors. I set my fan speed profile in AWCC customized to ramp up the fans 10 percent each 10th of 100c (80 percent speed at 80c). My max temps when not on high load is 85c. This is the best i can do on performance mode , playing on a 1440p monitor 160hz
@@nextgengaming7803 Really I followed the video exactly as he talked about and had no problems. I’ve even kept the bios up to date with Dell and haven’t noticed any changes. I’ll double check my bios settings and let you know if anything changed in a few hours.
@@nextgengaming7803 after checking bios I still have a TCC offset of 15 and throttlestop is still running great. Do you have a Ryzen laptop? I read that throttlestop and tcc are disabled if it’s running with a Ryzen.
@@DeadSpaceMartyr90 mine is the m15 r6, intel i7, I downloaded throttle stop again today, but it's still greyed out is the option to utilise the instructions this gentleman in video is giving out. It's very frustrating as I too have mine offset 15, so it maxes really at 84. But I'd love to tinker a bit more to lower it yet further with no penalty.
This is a brilliant video, clear and concise explanation of throttle stops functions. You demonstrated all of the different performance modes as well which was really handy. Thank you for posting such an informative video!!
Great video. I’ve watched undercoating videos before but this was particularly helpful to see how you use the command center with throttle stop to view your fan settings, etc. can’t wait to try this tonight to see if I can improve mine. I was u able to adjust turbo ratio limits as the settings were greeted out. I will use your video as reference and try again tonight. Thank you!
@@MashITTech Just received my M17R4 (18 days early). Already made some nice improvements with Throttlestop. Playing with Afterburner now. Loving it. Thanks for videos and reviews.
Alright man. Since you know better, I decided to let you play around with all these settings and figure out what works best for gaming performance rather than getting my hands dirty. And then when that video comes out, I'll be the first one to drop a like. Also, two thumbs up for the extensive coverage you do on a model.
@@MashITTech sure sure. Take your time. It's gonna be a while till I can get my laptop imported anyway. Its stuck in USA. Wouldn't overclocking mess with the overall life of the cpu? I usually refrain from doing so. But if you can convince me otherwise I'll be happy to try
Excellent video. This information on Alienware laptops is pure gold and not available anywhere. Could you please do these kind of videos on other laptops as well. ASUS ROG Scar 17, Scar 15 , Strix versions etc. Almost every gaming laptop suffers from these heat issues and your channel is a god-send to amateurs like us to fix the thermals through your amazing videos. Thanks a lot mate :)
Damn, you are the only one who makes full review of R4 series, which is quite useful. I don’t know what other UA-camrs are thinking, who cares what you like or dislike. Btw, is it necessary to do this with m17r4? Since it’s much cooler than m15. (10870,of course. )
You are the man! A very well made, concise, interesting and extremely useful video! I've had my M17 R4 for a few days now and loving it. Will definitely apply an undervolt as per your guide. Looking forward to seeing your video on the GPU. Cheers.
Thank you for the kind words. GPU coming out later and I am doing a conclusion video to tie it all together Thursday. Been really enjoying these machines :)
Ok, I will cover this in my final video tweaking the m15r4 but essentially: Quiet mode locks your cpu at 45w Balanced mode let’s the cpu max out up to 105w (less if you undervolted) Once you apply the undervolt the quiet performance will still stick at 45w but you will get more performance for that 45w than stock. The balanced will run as in my video so hopefully cpu maxed at 4ghz with less watts than stock (mine was 84 I think)
@@MashITTech after you’ve created your throttlestop profiles, do you create a custom fan profile on AWCC and then leave AWCC alone and just alternate between the throttlestop profiles? Or do you still switch profiles in AWCC?
Personally I leave command center alone in balanced and do all my CPU tweaking in throttlestop. As per the video I use different profiles for different things (by reducing the multipliers the temps and watts come right down making this thing so quiet in comparison with stock)
I must have received a decent paste job. With a -.075 undervolt and no reduction of multipliers, the max temperatures I got was 88C using TSBench. With Cinebench R23 I got a multi core score of 10631 with my max temp of 96C in the 10 min run. Stock out of the box the throttling bumped me down to 10216. Thanks for the great tutorial!
@@MashITTech It’s a beautiful laptop. The 15” is a great portable solution for such a powerful device. I opted for the 144Hz screen since I only spec’ed the 3060. But I received a decent chip there too. I was able to overclock it rock solid at +160 Hz on the GPU core. I’m peaking at 9000 Time Spy with great therms in Balanced fan profile. Not bad at all for a 3060 system.
Absolutely wonderful tutorial. My m15 r4 used to repeatedly max out at 100 C when playing dying light 2 for a couple hours. Now it fluctuates between 83 and max 90. Awesome!
I have my m17 R4 i9-10980HK with a -125mV core / -120mV cache. The difference in heat and power is massive. I also use the TCC (in addition to throttlestop) set to 15, this way the temps never go much above 85 degC. By the way, great vids, keep em coming 😀
@@maegnificant im now running at -130mV core / -120mV cache. Have been stable for 3 days now (0 crashes), this includes multiple benchmarks / stress tests including 1 hour cpu stress test. Seems to save approx 15w of power consumption when at full load, never exceeds 90W.
Awesome video was able to under volt my new m17 r4 with 3070 to -132 and overclock my video card almost 200mhz over on core clock I think I might have gotten the lottery 🤷♂️
You should try a -250 core undervolt and a -140 cache undervolt reason being it can dramatically reduce power consumption depending on workload and temps, my XPS 15 7590 with a much thinner chassis can do 40-45 watts under 100% load and stay around 75-85/90 degrees, doing 4.0ghz on all 4 cores.
@@RuneBa1 It may crash but not in all cases. I'm currently using an i7-10750H and the most stable undervolt by far ive achieved is -190mv for core and -90.8mv for cache.
Got a M15 R4 not too long ago, first gaming laptop ever so I am a newb and completely clueless as to gaming on PC's. So I am still learning as I go. This is definitely something I will be attempting as I found that gaming laptops tend to run very hot. Also, would you have a video on how to upgrade SSD?
Great video, I hit the lottery with an old i7 7700HQ. Manages - .170 offset is stable. One thing you did not mention, in a laptop with a colder cpu, the gpu usually also runs colder. Oh, and you can even undervolt the GPU :D
That is amazing! And yes you can undervolt the GPU, but also overclocking it is as good as an undervolt as you still use the 140w budget but with a better voltage frequency curve. dropping an afterburner video shortly to help people that have no clue how to overclock :)
Thank you so much for this video. My sitch: Just bought a second hand M17R3 that was running 100C on idle. Found this video, bottomed out all core multipliers(didn't touch voltage). Now it's staying between 55-80, average 65. Minimal impact on gaming. Success?
@@MashITTech IS there any way to make throttlestop run automagically on startup? currently I have to manually run the app everytime... Or alternatively is there a way to underclock the cores indefinitely?
was reading a bit on the throttlestop forums, some post from the author of the program. It seems that the cache is the limiting factor so a -70 on cache with a lower value on the core might actually work (like -100 or lower).
Hi @Mash IT. There are 2 questions. 1. So, at 9:10 we can see, that M15 R4 in balanced mode with undervolting -85.0 mV (core & cache) reach maximum 99°C and 87W power. Okay good, and have you tested M17 R4 with the same settings? Really wonder what maximum temperature will hit. I bet for 90°C !! :D 2. As I understood you didn't repaste laptops. How do you think about it ? I've found some posts in Reddit community that recommends additionally for alienware laptops immediately after buying to repaste on some good product like Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut / Kryonaut. They say that native paste is shitty a bit and repasting can help to drop temperatures up to 5°C more.
Hi Nelson, ok so.. 1. It would be very similar even though the m17 has much better cooling. It is because the balanced fan profile doesn't ramp up until it reaches 90c+ to keep the laptop quiet. Don't worry though there are plenty of other profiles or you can use your own
@@MashITTech 1. Hm....I've researched your another "Deep Dive" video and look what I've found ua-cam.com/video/re4ZoYSy4vw/v-deo.html (from 9:27) M17 R4 with undervolting -90.0 mV (core & cache) reach maximum 82°C and 76W power. I believe during this test you were running on "balanced mode" in Alienware Command Center (AWCC). Then it's really big difference (82°C for M17 R4 vs 99°C for M15 R4), or I'm mistaken somewhere?
Hi Nelson, I see you replied about undervolting being locked out in new BIOS but for some reason I can't find the thread so posting here! Did you manage to roll back to 1.2? Please let me know ASAP and I will put an announcement out
@@MashITTech Unfortunately I'm not an owner yet and can't it test by myself. Okay, you wrote that your R4's were tested on BIOS version 1.1.0 and 1.2.0. At this moment the last version is 1.3.1, dated 23 Mar 2021. I created a topics in official Dell & Reddit communities about undervolting status. One guy said: "on a BIOS that new, you'll find under-volting is locked out.". Now I'm waiting for another replies who really tested downgrade from 1.3.1 to 1.2.0 (with unlocked undervolting) Link to topics below: www.dell.com/community/Alienware/m17-R4-m15-R4-BIOS-changelog-undervolting-feature/m-p/7839023 www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/mcyami/m17_r4m15_r4_bios_changelog_undervolting_status/
it's really interesting, When I wanted to buy a gaming laptop, It didn't seem Large difference to me Between 10750H, 10870H 11800H and 12700H. now i can see the 10870H at max pressure score about 4000, and have 100 degrees. But my 12700H score 8000 and have 100 degrees. But the interesting part is when i disable CPU Turbo Boost, The score decrease to 4500 and the temperature is always under 60 degrees 😮 it really worth it for me, lower temperature, lower hardware damage, lower fan noise
i've looked a bunch of the reviews for the new generation of laptops and honestly it leaves much to be desired - this alienware m17 looks like one of the best but it really is a shame it's not that portalable weighing in at 6.5 lbs- the vapor chamber really seems to help. i think the next generation of chips being the tiger lake H or alder lake chips and rtx 3000 series will be when the laptops are able to make the next leap
Do you know how to undervolt x17 r2? Because when i use throttlestop its grayedout so undervokt not possible, i tried to downgrade my bios but not possible either to downgrade bios.
Yes, the 6 cores undervolt better! I had some great undervolts on the old 9 series and 8 series 45w hex cores! Unfortunately the 8 cores don't seem to fair as well, I have only had two so maybe I am unlucky but both were less than -.100 (.085 on one and .09 on the other). I have another m17r4 on the way with cherry mx keyboard so I will test that one too
When you did the undervolt with the different settings for internet, gaming, etc do you still use the alien command center then? Like do you use balanced, or quiet or cool or is that not necessary? Sorry just got my alienware m17 and will be using mostly for 3d modeling and rendering and wondering if I ever need to change it to cool mode since I hve it on balanced...also silly question but do I have to keep msi afterburner and throttlestop running for them to work?..Many thanks
Throttle stop and afterburner don't need to be open to function. They flash to the cpu and GPU control chips at the "firmware" level. Generally these control softwares from alienware, Lenovo, etc. are just adjusting the fan curve. Maybe high performance unlocks a few watts (or takes away with quiet mode) but I doubt it because forcing the system to throttle does the same thing. I would use the fact that with the alienware software closed completely it will save the fan profile-so set it to balanced unless adjusting the lights or whatever and close it down to save the processing power. With a proper undervolt and thus thermals under control you won't need full fans (and if you're like me can't stand the noise) and it would make little difference anyways. Then in quiet mode there won't be enough power used to ramp the fans up. Then you would adjust the profile you would like in the throttle stop taskbar menu as it controls the undervolt multiplier and uses a negligible amount of power to keep open. If anybody knows a way to have an open application control the throttle stop profile please let me know. Happy solid modelling! I get my X17 in a few months! Also if you do manage to save a bad undervolt setting and you can't boot, you will have to clear the cmos by pulling the cmos (button cell probably) battery from the motherboard and that will reset the cpu firmware controller like you would do if you applied a bad overclock with afterburner.
Thank you for the video! However, I am noticing worse base scores on TS Bench than yours. (I'm assuming lower scores are better) Stock, I get a score of 91 and on -75 mV I get 107. What can I do to achieve scores similar to your "Dell Shipped" scores? I have an m15 r4 with an i7-10870H and RTX 3070.
Hi David, forgive my poor english🙈 I brought my m17 r4 because of your great work. And the m17 r4 is such a beauty.🥰 But I do have some questions about undervolting, hope you might enlighten me.🙏🏻 I saw most people saying that we should keep cpu core and cpu cache voltage remain the same. But some people suggest that keep pushing the cpu cache voltage lower and lower till it crash. May I ask what is the difference between these two? And which one you would prefer and why? Anyway, keep up the good work.👍🏻
hello mate, it is a lovely machine, glad you are enjoying it. I discussed this with unclewebb (writer of throttlestop) and he always recommended keeping them the same value and tweaking to get the best shared value. you can usually push the CPU well ahead of the cache but this will then just throttle the cpu. Hope this answers your question
For someone who never undervolted pc/laptop this was confusing. I am not getting the results you are getting at all, its like 2 completely different laptops but they are in fact identical. I don't know if I should go higher or lower than -75.2 because either way nothing changes
I can't enable "Unlock adjustable voltage" in mine. Maybe they blocked this in BIOS. Anything else I can do? I would like to simply decrease the multiplier if I can't undervolt... Because those temps are too high and the clock is unstable...
Great guide but I have a few questions. First in regards to your Cinebench score. I have this laptop with the same specs expect for a 3080. My single core score is 1126 while yours is over 3K. I'm wondering why mine is so much lower? As a reference I'm using Cinebench R23 downloaded from the windows store. Second question is in regards to the undervolt when you downclocked the cpu cores on the gaming profile. You didn't undervolt there as you did in the performance tab. Does the performance tab undervolt apply to all profiles or do I undervolt in the gaming tab as well?
Quick question how does the balance vs high performance on power effect the under volting? Or what does it do in general I’m not to sure just got my first alienware laptop and want it to last awhile
Hey Mash It great video bro, you spoke eloquently and I really like you accent 10/10. I have a question for you, is a good idea to buy my laptop from Amazon or is better if I buy it on Best Buy ?
*** Awesome Video ** Used your guide Playing Elden Ring for hours with nice cool nothing over 69C You are a Thermal GOD (David) Super Stable with Hours on Elden Ring with this Settings Alienware M15 R4 Intel I7 10870H Preformance Settings MIN 55C Max 69C CPU Core Offset Voltage -85.9 CPU Cache Offset Voltage -85.9 Turbo Ratio Limits Active Core 8 Drop each core Core 1 49 Core 2 47 Core 3 45 Core 4 43 Core 5 41 Core 6 39 Core 7 37 Core 8 35
The best video about how to Throttlestop on the internet!! One question though, when you were flicking between the profiles towards the end, does the undervolt remain on all profiles, or just the 'performance' one?
Thanks you so much for this! Would love to see how to undervolt my GPU and change my fan profiles. I am running a MSI GE66 Raider with a RTX 3070. I have found the MSI dragon center to be very buggy, so I'd like to avoid using it.
Well you can use my msi afterburner guide on your 3070. Also download throttlestop and see if msi allow undervolting (assuming the ge66 uses intel 10870h?) If they do you can also use my guide on that too
Same CPU on M17 but has vapor chamber and better cooling, so better temps in general. Am I wrong? How far did you push the M17 R4 with TStop and what temps did you get? (yep, I'm oriented to the 17" model ;-))
Hi sorry, struggling to remember as I wasn’t as concerned because the temps were so much better but from memory it was just over 10c better on load. The 15” also has a vapour chamber btw but much smaller fans 👍
Thankdls for the video I don't suppose you can help? I have the M17 R1 with 4k and RTX 3080 but my touch pad no longer has RGB on it, I had to reset the entire laptop and install new version of windows on it but since the my rgb touch pad hasn't worked
After making adjustments do you run the bench mark test on all i.e. Performance Game Internet and Battery. I have gone down to 70 and when running the second test on cinabench it keeps crashing. And system gets really hot. Should I wait till system cool before starting every test? I have seen some state they don’t equally change the gpu/cpu. What order could they be changed in. I need help sorry new to this
I’m very curious how the 144hz panel with advanced optimus and g-sync performs (color accuracy, brightness, etc) as well as battery life and stress on the GPU
Definitely be interesting to see what you can do with a results comparison between TS vrs Awcc+TCC. And or full rundown of Awcc custom settings. Atm. iam struggling with custom profiles saving per game/launcher. Crawling off a roof & heading straight for a cold beer Might be hampering my computer skills just a bit :)
Haha I love it, think I might join you. But in seriousness the next tweaking video will be focusing on the end results and command centre profiles/custom profiles 👍
Nope, you can happily use both. You may want to find the best combination of them both for you. (I will be doing a further video where I put all the tweaks together to get the best from the system (it was just too long for 1 video)
@@MashITTech looking forward to it. I will probably use throttlestop and set a tcc of 10. I think Aorus/Gigabyte have a thermal limit of 90 degrees so I may copy that.
Nice! I have a m15 and it hit -110 and was stable, scored 4100 in cinebench, but I'm having trouble getting throttlestop to remember my voltages after the system restarts, I have it on save voltages immediately
I don’t know if this is true nowadays with TS, but I’ve had to set a group policy within the Windows Group Policy Editor to allow TS to run at bootup in the past.
I am pretty sure it is still the same, I just start mine with a batch file but I think Unused Love is having a different problem where his undervolt doesnt stick upon opening it after a reboot
@@MashITTech got it to work, not really sure what I did though, but it's sticking now. Another weird problem I'm having is in shadow of the tomb raider benchmark, I get really good fps until the last scene of the last benchmark, where I dip down to like 80, which makes my average fps about 107. Isn't my average fps supposed to be around 125?
What’s it mean when throttle stop hits power I have a x17 and got a stable under volt and reliable temp from 80-85 c while long game sessions Only error I keep hitting in throttle stop is power
I'm so glad the video is finally here! It's informative and holds my hand the entire way. I do have some questions though that are making me super anxious now. Because my laptop is so expensive I got a really good warranty, now will undervolting void this? If so then if I use tcc which is built in then will that void it? My other question is that I first see that you have these settings on an m15 so would I use the same settings for the m17? If not then what do you use that'd be absolutely safe and "stable"? I went to reddit and searched if Dell would void the warranty if anything happened with it undervolted BUT others commented saying using throttlestop does not store logs so it'd be impossible for them to find out. I'm just terribly worried that after all this time and all this help you've given me so fast and efficiently that I'd break my laptop, void my warranty, and all within a day of having it. Anyway, please let me know. I loved the video and like I said I absolutely appreciate how fast and informative you are with your replies. Great channel and keep it up!
Using throttlestop will not void your warranty and neither will using TCC which alienware provided. If anything it will likely add longevity to your laptop as it will run cooler. Also the 15 and 17 are essentially the same so yes the same settings, it will just run a bit cooler because of the larger fans 👍 always here to assist if you have any more questions 😃
@@MashITTech I'm glad cause I got 2 years of premium support plus... hate for that to void lol but I will absolutely take your word for it. What settings do you use to get the most out of your own m15/17 while staying as cool as possible?
@@MashITTech do let me know if you can. I do realize that might be a lengthy reply but I do appreciate it. When I get my m17 I'm just going to copy and paste!
Will do mate. give me a few minutes and I will detail exactly what I would do. Also the last part of my tweaking videos will cover this as I plan to cover command centre profiles and put all the tweaks together to show the system running at its best
@@MashITTech ah that’s so unfortunate. But are you still able to set multipliers to tune it down when doing mundane jobs? If not, is the best option to just set the fan to silent mode? An tutorial on an alternative solution would be much appreciated! Thanks again for your wonderful contents, I’ve bought mine after watching your x15 r2 reviews :)
Still learning. Love that your doing the Alienware laptops because I have one. I subscribed. Got 2 questions. If I offset the voltage on throttlestop, then not save it immediately, and run cinebench and 3dmark. Is the results off cinebench and 3dmark based off the stock pc settings or the throttle stop offset? What am I paying attention to when I undervolt it under throttlestop to know if it’s unstable? Do I just slowly increase till it crashes or so on throttlestop. Of course not saved. Just finding that sweet spot
Thanks mate. Once you have adjusted the voltages make sure the "ok - do not save voltages" is checked and apply, you will now see your offsets at the top right so you can see they are active. Now run throttlestop. If you are not sure if it is working just look at the watts it is using during cinenbench. Stock mine uses 105w after undervolt it uses 85w! When you run the benchmark included in throttlestop, if it crashes or you get errors then the undervolt is too much. Also make sure you run time spy or similar GPU benchmark and also put the machine to sleep and wake it, if any of this causes a crash you have gone too far and need to back off. Hope this helps but ask away if there is anything unclear 👍
Awesome video! I don’t know much about computers but I just bought a laptop cooling pad that has fans to blow colder air into the intake from underneath. Would you consider this useful at all?
I haven't tested any on the m15/m17 but I always prop my laptops up to give better airflow as they are always too close to the desk by default (companies trying to get the thinnest laptop!) therefore I am sure this will be better than putting it flat on a table 👍
I can't believe it took me over a year to find this video. I've been using throttlestop for a while but could never find a decent guide to set it up right. This helped a lot! A thousand times, thank you
Just got my M17 R4 and this video has been IMMENSELY helpful. Thank you SO much! Temps are at low 80s and stable with a 100mV offset.
with temps under 80 are you gaming still maxed settings and are fans loud?
@@brysoncluff9887 I've since used my laptop in "clamshell" mode with an external monitor, and further dropped 10 degrees during gaming. Averaging 69-72 degrees now. Settings are maxed out for UQHD in order to hit 60 FPS. In Cyberpunk, that would be Ray Tracing - Medium. Fans are on performance or maximum. Not as loud as it is high pitched lol
@@adamzee4950 im in the 60's but my fans are loud but with my headset i cant hear the fan neither can my friends im gaming with, and i dont even use this setup the youtuber is using
@@shunsui5626 Meaning you aren't undervolted at all and running in the 60s during gaming?
@@adamzee4950 yes I’m on maiden warfare right now 62 •C
I just got my M15 r4 and will definitely will be following this guide. I put my r4 on full speed and I thought it was going to explode! It’s so loud! It also gets out air from the side vents like there’s no tomorrow. Still a Beautiful Machine though!
jajajaja I got mines recently and just setting up windows 11 it got hot and shutdown even when connected to the power adapter. Waiting on the new one but seen all this info I think I will buy a regular laptop. If your almost explodes gaming imagine mines just installing windows 11!!!
I love me those Alienware videos man keep them up👍🏻😍
Plenty more coming. You will get sick of seeing them pop up 😂
@@MashITTech I was wondering how long would an Alienware M15 r2 with 1660ti and 16gb of ram and core i7 intal 9th 9750H last
Do you mean battery life or system life?
@@MashITTech just overall with the specs and like gaming wise for how long will I be able to game like when new games come out will The hardware support it
6 cores is still the sweet spot for CPU IMHO and a 1660ti will be fine for a good couple of years at 1080p, you may just need to reduce some settings on AAA games to run well
When you change clock speeds on all four "settings" you also need to change the undervolts on all four too.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for making this video i've been dealing with m17 r4 being at 100c gaming for 3 years. i wish i saw this sooner. I've been dreading open this thing up and repasting the CPU now i don't ever plan to do so. I'm able to play under heavy loads gaming 80c max vs 100c. This actually increased my performance due to previous throttling
So glad it helped you
Wow! Massive improvement on my old M17 R3 after learning about bottlenecks with an amplifier enclosed 2080ti pushing the old i7 to 100% constantly. CPU dropped to 73C with your guide.
Thank you doesn’t express how utterly impressed I am but thank you anyway.
That's ok, I am just happy knowing it helps people :)
@@MashITTech So I repeated on wife’s M15 R4 and offset 160mV to drop 9C down to 71C max and 45W down to 30W
Clearly this is witchcraft!!! Nice one 👍
How did u get this to work? I thought dell blocked throttstop in a bios update?
@@nextgengaming7803 well my M17 R3 bios allowed both undervolt and overclocking which was because of the i7 6820 but my wife’s M15 R3 only allowed undervolting but o/c was locked out.
“My understanding” is that undervolting is permitted on all intel cpu Alienware notebooks, so I certainly recommend following this video to the letter. Ultimately can’t hurt to try?
@@nextgengaming7803 Confused .... 100% thought I answered this yesterday??
Anyway it's allowed overclock and undervolt on my M17R3 on a i7 6820 but only undervolt on my wife's M15R3
"My understanding" is that undervolting is allowed on all intel processors with throttlestop and overclock is entirely CPU dependant. Recommend you try it regardless because no harm can come from it if you follow this video to the letter.
Thank you so much, my m17 was running at 100c playing war zone and now it runs at 80c, should last me a lot longer now lol
This is so helpful dude.
I have an alienware x15 and the temp of 100 degree is super concerning.
I am going to try this tonight and see.
If I keep it on performance and being down the core turbo boosts and wattage. I hope it will work completely well.
Thanks again for this dude
Glad to be able to help but Dell locked the undervaluing out on the x15 with one of their BIOS' so if throttlestop is greyed out you may need to roll back the BIOS
Superb video. By far the best one out there on utilizing Throttle Stop on an Alienware M-series. I would also suggest undervolting your GPU with MSI Afterburner. I just spent half the day setting up the undervolts and repeatedly benchmarking, until I got it tuned just right, with a custom thermal profile/fan curve. I'd been utilizing this Alienware M17 R3 for about two years, without doing any of this. Considering Dell has recently replaced all components, including the chassis, I'd best make make the adjustments and get as much life as possible from the unit.
thanks im going to need this for a friend that is getting this computer, so he can be happy with the noise and get more battery time :3 , youre going to be a big tech youtuber soon, god bless you.
Was able to undervolt my m17r4 with your wonderful video. Getting some great CPU temps now and better battery life. Thanks for making this video!
No problem, so pleased it has helped 👍
I love this channel. British accent and detailed tech stuff ❤️❤️❤️ this is proper nerd stuff mate. Keep it up
haha thank you, I sure will :)
I followed this on my m17 r3 and with -90 mV offset it runs beautifully and cool!!
Great guide ... Can't wait to get my x17 and check this out again
x17 won't need this. it has better cooling.
Thanks for the video. I have the alienware m15 R4 3080 with the Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10870H CPU @ 2.20GHz on a 34inch 3440x1440 160hz ultrawide monitore. TCC SET AT 10. My stable undervolt on performance with all clocks stock is - 135.7 (both cache and core). Ran throttlestop on 960m size and received a score 67. Ran this for about 3 times. No errors. Ran it again at 7680m size. No errors. Ran time spy, with overclock on 3080 at 150 core clock, and 250 memory clock. received score of 11854 Ran cinebench (sorry i forgot the score)- no errors. I set my fan speed profile in AWCC customized to ramp up the fans 10 percent each 10th of 100c (80 percent speed at 80c). My max temps when not on high load is 85c. This is the best i can do on performance mode , playing on a 1440p monitor 160hz
hello mate, sounds like you have done a good job! Your scores seem solid considering the m15r4 has a slightly weaker cooling solution than the m17r4.
just got an m17 r4. This video ROCKS. THANK YOU. Also the out of the box temp differences between the m15 and m17 are surprisingly big!
Glad it helped! And yes the m17 runs so much cooler 👍
@@MashITTech so I think my undervolting isn’t actually taking.. have they locked it in more recent BIOSes?
What BIOS are you on? As far as I am aware they haven’t locked it yet!
@@MashITTech What's the easiest way to check on an AW?
I noticed that no matter what my voltage offset is, the Package power is somewhere around 61-70W. The multiplier lock works though.
Your video rocked! I’ve been putting off undervolting my M17 R4 i7 3070 and your video was exactly what I needed. Thanks you!
Glad it helped! :)
How did u get it to work mate? I thought dell blocked it in a bios update?
@@nextgengaming7803 Really I followed the video exactly as he talked about and had no problems. I’ve even kept the bios up to date with Dell and haven’t noticed any changes. I’ll double check my bios settings and let you know if anything changed in a few hours.
@@nextgengaming7803 after checking bios I still have a TCC offset of 15 and throttlestop is still running great. Do you have a Ryzen laptop? I read that throttlestop and tcc are disabled if it’s running with a Ryzen.
@@DeadSpaceMartyr90 mine is the m15 r6, intel i7, I downloaded throttle stop again today, but it's still greyed out is the option to utilise the instructions this gentleman in video is giving out. It's very frustrating as I too have mine offset 15, so it maxes really at 84. But I'd love to tinker a bit more to lower it yet further with no penalty.
This is a brilliant video, clear and concise explanation of throttle stops functions. You demonstrated all of the different performance modes as well which was really handy. Thank you for posting such an informative video!!
Thank you for the kind words :)
Great video. I’ve watched undercoating videos before but this was particularly helpful to see how you use the command center with throttle stop to view your fan settings, etc. can’t wait to try this tonight to see if I can improve mine. I was u able to adjust turbo ratio limits as the settings were greeted out. I will use your video as reference and try again tonight. Thank you!
Excellent video. Superbly explained!
Very informative. Will be getting my M17 R4 in a few weeks. Can't wait to try this out. Thx
Let us know how you get on?
@@MashITTech Just received my M17R4 (18 days early). Already made some nice improvements with Throttlestop. Playing with Afterburner now. Loving it. Thanks for videos and reviews.
Alright man. Since you know better, I decided to let you play around with all these settings and figure out what works best for gaming performance rather than getting my hands dirty. And then when that video comes out, I'll be the first one to drop a like. Also, two thumbs up for the extensive coverage you do on a model.
Haha well gpu overclock if next then lastly I will do a conclusion video to put all the tweaks together 👍
@@MashITTech sure sure. Take your time. It's gonna be a while till I can get my laptop imported anyway. Its stuck in USA. Wouldn't overclocking mess with the overall life of the cpu? I usually refrain from doing so. But if you can convince me otherwise I'll be happy to try
I just got my M17 in and working on it with your guidance.
Great! any question please ask
Used this video several times and it still works. Thank you man!
Thank you so much for these performance / Undervolting videos. Really informative.
Glad they help :)
The M15 R4 in white was the best looking laptop of the last 10 years imo
Excellent video. This information on Alienware laptops is pure gold and not available anywhere. Could you please do these kind of videos on other laptops as well. ASUS ROG Scar 17, Scar 15 , Strix versions etc. Almost every gaming laptop suffers from these heat issues and your channel is a god-send to amateurs like us to fix the thermals through your amazing videos. Thanks a lot mate :)
I sure will mate as I gradually get them in for review :)
Damn, you are the only one who makes full review of R4 series, which is quite useful.
I don’t know what other UA-camrs are thinking, who cares what you like or dislike.
Btw, is it necessary to do this with m17r4? Since it’s much cooler than m15. (10870,of course. )
It is not necessary at all but you use less watts and run cooler for a few minutes of your time! Well worth it
You are the man! A very well made, concise, interesting and extremely useful video! I've had my M17 R4 for a few days now and loving it. Will definitely apply an undervolt as per your guide. Looking forward to seeing your video on the GPU. Cheers.
Thank you for the kind words. GPU coming out later and I am doing a conclusion video to tie it all together Thursday. Been really enjoying these machines :)
@@MashITTech A quick question mate, what difference will switching between the Quiet and Balanced profiles on the undervolted CPU?
Ok, I will cover this in my final video tweaking the m15r4 but essentially:
Quiet mode locks your cpu at 45w
Balanced mode let’s the cpu max out up to 105w (less if you undervolted)
Once you apply the undervolt the quiet performance will still stick at 45w but you will get more performance for that 45w than stock.
The balanced will run as in my video so hopefully cpu maxed at 4ghz with less watts than stock (mine was 84 I think)
@@MashITTech after you’ve created your throttlestop profiles, do you create a custom fan profile on AWCC and then leave AWCC alone and just alternate between the throttlestop profiles? Or do you still switch profiles in AWCC?
Personally I leave command center alone in balanced and do all my CPU tweaking in throttlestop. As per the video I use different profiles for different things (by reducing the multipliers the temps and watts come right down making this thing so quiet in comparison with stock)
I must have received a decent paste job. With a -.075 undervolt and no reduction of multipliers, the max temperatures I got was 88C using TSBench. With Cinebench R23 I got a multi core score of 10631 with my max temp of 96C in the 10 min run. Stock out of the box the throttling bumped me down to 10216. Thanks for the great tutorial!
Hi Robert, wow that is decent. You have a good one there! Hope you enjoy it 👍
@@MashITTech It’s a beautiful laptop. The 15” is a great portable solution for such a powerful device. I opted for the 144Hz screen since I only spec’ed the 3060. But I received a decent chip there too. I was able to overclock it rock solid at +160 Hz on the GPU core. I’m peaking at 9000 Time Spy with great therms in Balanced fan profile. Not bad at all for a 3060 system.
most comprehensive explanation on Undervolting.
There was so hype about OnePlus launch event that I missed your videos yesterday.
haha I feel hurt...kidding. Does the OnePlus look good? not even looked at it
@@MashITTech yeah they're pretty good but now they've decided to up their price significantly so that they can match with Apple and Samsung.
Oh I hate that! the price was the main reason people looked to OnePlus products!
@@MashITTech absolutely.
Absolutely wonderful tutorial. My m15 r4 used to repeatedly max out at 100 C when playing dying light 2 for a couple hours. Now it fluctuates between 83 and max 90. Awesome!
So glad it was a help to you 👍
wow,i just made that setting,my cpu from 90 to 70 C now!!thanks you
Wow nice difference! It’s well worth the few minutes tweaking it 👍
what setting you used?
You’re the hero we deserve
Thank you, first time I have ever been called a hero 😂
I have my m17 R4 i9-10980HK with a -125mV core / -120mV cache. The difference in heat and power is massive. I also use the TCC (in addition to throttlestop) set to 15, this way the temps never go much above 85 degC. By the way, great vids, keep em coming 😀
Brilliant, glad to see other people making use of throttlestop it is an amazing bit of software :)
can you run a 30 min cinebench session with these settings and still be stable? that would be awesome!
@@maegnificant im now running at -130mV core / -120mV cache. Have been stable for 3 days now (0 crashes), this includes multiple benchmarks / stress tests including 1 hour cpu stress test. Seems to save approx 15w of power consumption when at full load, never exceeds 90W.
@@Andy2586 wow! I can't go that high, I'm at -78 for both. gonna repaste it soon, I think
@@maegnificant theres a guy on notebook review forum who is stable at -145 core and -125 cache. Do you have the i9 or the i7?
Awesome video was able to under volt my new m17 r4 with 3070 to -132 and overclock my video card almost 200mhz over on core clock I think I might have gotten the lottery 🤷♂️
wow, I think you have the golden sample! well done mate
Excellent content as always.
Thanks so much 😊
Such a helpful video! Thank you so much!! 👍🏽
thank u so much, fixed my same problem on area51m r2
I just get my m17r4 and want to undervolt it. Then I get this video lol. Thank u so much！！
Hope it helps you :) Got more tweaking videos coming!
@@MashITTech It helps a lot！！！
I HAVE THE M17 R4, THIS IS USEFUL FOR ME THANKS
Glad it helps 😀👍
You should try a -250 core undervolt and a -140 cache undervolt reason being it can dramatically reduce power consumption depending on workload and temps, my XPS 15 7590 with a much thinner chassis can do 40-45 watts under 100% load and stay around 75-85/90 degrees, doing 4.0ghz on all 4 cores.
Holy smokes I need to do this
This crashes ur laptop
Don’t try this
This guy is certainly a warranty seller
@@RuneBa1 It may crash but not in all cases. I'm currently using an i7-10750H and the most stable undervolt by far ive achieved is -190mv for core and -90.8mv for cache.
Really thorough reviews.
Thank you 👍
Fantastic content well done mate! +liked and subbed
Thanks a lot mate :)
Got a M15 R4 not too long ago, first gaming laptop ever so I am a newb and completely clueless as to gaming on PC's. So I am still learning as I go. This is definitely something I will be attempting as I found that gaming laptops tend to run very hot.
Also, would you have a video on how to upgrade SSD?
I sure can, it is incredibly easy with these so will be a short video 😁👍
Got what I needed thank you
Great! Got one more tweak video coming where I put all the tweaks together, and look at command centre 👍
Great video, I hit the lottery with an old i7 7700HQ. Manages - .170 offset is stable. One thing you did not mention, in a laptop with a colder cpu, the gpu usually also runs colder. Oh, and you can even undervolt the GPU :D
That is amazing! And yes you can undervolt the GPU, but also overclocking it is as good as an undervolt as you still use the 140w budget but with a better voltage frequency curve. dropping an afterburner video shortly to help people that have no clue how to overclock :)
@@MashITTech Awsome! There is just so much hidden potential in laptops with undervolting!
Awesome, it was really informative.
thank you
thanks for this. great info!
No problem, hope it helps 👍
Great content, subscribed
thank you 😊
You can also use the Fusion tab of ALienware Control to undevolt
Thank you so much for this video. My sitch: Just bought a second hand M17R3 that was running 100C on idle. Found this video, bottomed out all core multipliers(didn't touch voltage). Now it's staying between 55-80, average 65. Minimal impact on gaming. Success?
glad it helped. These did run hot out of the box!
@@MashITTech IS there any way to make throttlestop run automagically on startup? currently I have to manually run the app everytime...
Or alternatively is there a way to underclock the cores indefinitely?
was reading a bit on the throttlestop forums, some post from the author of the program. It seems that the cache is the limiting factor so a -70 on cache with a lower value on the core might actually work (like -100 or lower).
Thanks for the heads up. I will have a play 👍
Awesome video 🔥🔥🔥🔥
No one explains so good ❤️
Thank you so much 😀
I tried undervolting, but the TS Bench took a lot more time, and after I adjusted the FIVR, it got an even bigger number
Hi @Mash IT. There are 2 questions.
1. So, at 9:10 we can see, that M15 R4 in balanced mode with undervolting -85.0 mV (core & cache) reach maximum 99°C and 87W power. Okay good, and have you tested M17 R4 with the same settings? Really wonder what maximum temperature will hit. I bet for 90°C !! :D
2. As I understood you didn't repaste laptops. How do you think about it ? I've found some posts in Reddit community that recommends additionally for alienware laptops immediately after buying to repaste on some good product like Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut / Kryonaut. They say that native paste is shitty a bit and repasting can help to drop temperatures up to 5°C more.
Hi Nelson, ok so..
1. It would be very similar even though the m17 has much better cooling. It is because the balanced fan profile doesn't ramp up until it reaches 90c+ to keep the laptop quiet. Don't worry though there are plenty of other profiles or you can use your own
@@MashITTech 1. Hm....I've researched your another "Deep Dive" video and look what I've found ua-cam.com/video/re4ZoYSy4vw/v-deo.html (from 9:27)
M17 R4 with undervolting -90.0 mV (core & cache) reach maximum 82°C and 76W power. I believe during this test you were running on "balanced mode" in Alienware Command Center (AWCC).
Then it's really big difference (82°C for M17 R4 vs 99°C for M15 R4), or I'm mistaken somewhere?
Hmm you could well be right, I have been running so many benchmarks I am confusing myself 😂 I will go back over my tests
Hi Nelson, I see you replied about undervolting being locked out in new BIOS but for some reason I can't find the thread so posting here! Did you manage to roll back to 1.2? Please let me know ASAP and I will put an announcement out
@@MashITTech Unfortunately I'm not an owner yet and can't it test by myself. Okay, you wrote that your R4's were tested on BIOS version 1.1.0 and 1.2.0.
At this moment the last version is 1.3.1, dated 23 Mar 2021. I created a topics in official Dell & Reddit communities about undervolting status.
One guy said: "on a BIOS that new, you'll find under-volting is locked out.". Now I'm waiting for another replies who really tested downgrade from 1.3.1 to 1.2.0 (with unlocked undervolting)
Link to topics below:
www.dell.com/community/Alienware/m17-R4-m15-R4-BIOS-changelog-undervolting-feature/m-p/7839023
www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/mcyami/m17_r4m15_r4_bios_changelog_undervolting_status/
it's really interesting, When I wanted to buy a gaming laptop, It didn't seem Large difference to me Between 10750H, 10870H 11800H and 12700H.
now i can see the 10870H at max pressure score about 4000, and have 100 degrees.
But my 12700H score 8000 and have 100 degrees.
But the interesting part is when i disable CPU Turbo Boost, The score decrease to 4500 and the temperature is always under 60 degrees 😮
it really worth it for me, lower temperature, lower hardware damage, lower fan noise
Thank you for this.
No problem, hope it helps 👍
i've looked a bunch of the reviews for the new generation of laptops and honestly it leaves much to be desired - this alienware m17 looks like one of the best but it really is a shame it's not that portalable weighing in at 6.5 lbs- the vapor chamber really seems to help. i think the next generation of chips being the tiger lake H or alder lake chips and rtx 3000 series will be when the laptops are able to make the next leap
THANK YOU
just love the technical Jude Law😅
haha that makes a change from being called Gordon Ramsey :)
Do you know how to undervolt x17 r2? Because when i use throttlestop its grayedout so undervokt not possible, i tried to downgrade my bios but not possible either to downgrade bios.
Awesome info thank you
The R3 could be heavily undervolted on the 10750h, no hiccups with -.115 cache, -.165 core. I wonder how high(or low) the r4 with the 8 core can go
Yes, the 6 cores undervolt better! I had some great undervolts on the old 9 series and 8 series 45w hex cores! Unfortunately the 8 cores don't seem to fair as well, I have only had two so maybe I am unlucky but both were less than -.100 (.085 on one and .09 on the other). I have another m17r4 on the way with cherry mx keyboard so I will test that one too
@@MashITTech what's you ETA for delivery on that one? If you don't mind me asking
When you did the undervolt with the different settings for internet, gaming, etc do you still use the alien command center then? Like do you use balanced, or quiet or cool or is that not necessary? Sorry just got my alienware m17 and will be using mostly for 3d modeling and rendering and wondering if I ever need to change it to cool mode since I hve it on balanced...also silly question but do I have to keep msi afterburner and throttlestop running for them to work?..Many thanks
Throttle stop and afterburner don't need to be open to function. They flash to the cpu and GPU control chips at the "firmware" level.
Generally these control softwares from alienware, Lenovo, etc. are just adjusting the fan curve. Maybe high performance unlocks a few watts (or takes away with quiet mode) but I doubt it because forcing the system to throttle does the same thing. I would use the fact that with the alienware software closed completely it will save the fan profile-so set it to balanced unless adjusting the lights or whatever and close it down to save the processing power. With a proper undervolt and thus thermals under control you won't need full fans (and if you're like me can't stand the noise) and it would make little difference anyways. Then in quiet mode there won't be enough power used to ramp the fans up. Then you would adjust the profile you would like in the throttle stop taskbar menu as it controls the undervolt multiplier and uses a negligible amount of power to keep open. If anybody knows a way to have an open application control the throttle stop profile please let me know.
Happy solid modelling! I get my X17 in a few months!
Also if you do manage to save a bad undervolt setting and you can't boot, you will have to clear the cmos by pulling the cmos (button cell probably) battery from the motherboard and that will reset the cpu firmware controller like you would do if you applied a bad overclock with afterburner.
Yes u need throttle stop to run
Thank you for the video! However, I am noticing worse base scores on TS Bench than yours. (I'm assuming lower scores are better) Stock, I get a score of 91 and on -75 mV I get 107. What can I do to achieve scores similar to your "Dell Shipped" scores? I have an m15 r4 with an i7-10870H and RTX 3070.
I have the same issue did you solve it
Hi David, forgive my poor english🙈
I brought my m17 r4 because of your great work.
And the m17 r4 is such a beauty.🥰
But I do have some questions about undervolting, hope you might enlighten me.🙏🏻
I saw most people saying that we should keep cpu core and cpu cache voltage remain the same.
But some people suggest that keep pushing the cpu cache voltage lower and lower till it crash.
May I ask what is the difference between these two?
And which one you would prefer and why?
Anyway, keep up the good work.👍🏻
hello mate, it is a lovely machine, glad you are enjoying it.
I discussed this with unclewebb (writer of throttlestop) and he always recommended keeping them the same value and tweaking to get the best shared value. you can usually push the CPU well ahead of the cache but this will then just throttle the cpu. Hope this answers your question
Thanks, it helps a lot.
Needed to include how to get ThrottleStop to automatically launch when you start up your PC (i.e via TaskScheduler)
Haha you are my biggest critic :) Yes, maybe I should have added that
I think this will work well with many Dell laptops as well.
It sure will, I had a lot of people ask so I aimed it directly at m15/m17 but it will work with any unlocked CPU :)
@@MashITTech I heard that they've disabled undervolting in latest update
Can you let me know the FIVR limits for i7-10750H cpu? My laptop keep crashing after i change the limits.
same here as soon as i change the voltage and hit apply it freezes and need to restart, from what i read you cant undervolt i710750h is that true?
For someone who never undervolted pc/laptop this was confusing. I am not getting the results you are getting at all, its like 2 completely different laptops but they are in fact identical. I don't know if I should go higher or lower than -75.2 because either way nothing changes
I can't enable "Unlock adjustable voltage" in mine. Maybe they blocked this in BIOS. Anything else I can do? I would like to simply decrease the multiplier if I can't undervolt... Because those temps are too high and the clock is unstable...
Great guide but I have a few questions. First in regards to your Cinebench score. I have this laptop with the same specs expect for a 3080. My single core score is 1126 while yours is over 3K. I'm wondering why mine is so much lower? As a reference I'm using Cinebench R23 downloaded from the windows store. Second question is in regards to the undervolt when you downclocked the cpu cores on the gaming profile. You didn't undervolt there as you did in the performance tab. Does the performance tab undervolt apply to all profiles or do I undervolt in the gaming tab as well?
You should do an update for the x17. The device already runs rather cool but undervolting would contribute to it's longevity.
Yep, this is in the works, just had a lot to get through 😃👍
Manage to do -100 MV and - 80 on cache. In AAA games its goes up to 90c and no throttle on max settings.
Nicely done! That sounds like a good balance
Quick question how does the balance vs high performance on power effect the under volting? Or what does it do in general I’m not to sure just got my first alienware laptop and want it to last awhile
Niceee, I need this video
Great, any questions please just ask :)
Hey Mash It great video bro, you spoke eloquently and I really like you accent 10/10.
I have a question for you, is a good idea to buy my laptop from Amazon or is better if I buy it on Best Buy ?
Amazon get 30 days refund, Best Buy get 14days I think or 15
Thank you that is very kind of you to say. I am in the UK, and here Amazon is the best option because of the great customer services and returns :)
Dell boi, full customization and all that.
*** Awesome Video ** Used your guide Playing Elden Ring for hours with nice cool nothing over 69C
You are a Thermal GOD (David)
Super Stable with Hours on Elden Ring with this Settings
Alienware M15 R4 Intel I7 10870H
Preformance Settings
MIN 55C Max 69C
CPU Core Offset Voltage -85.9
CPU Cache Offset Voltage -85.9
Turbo Ratio Limits
Active Core 8
Drop each core
Core 1 49
Core 2 47
Core 3 45
Core 4 43
Core 5 41
Core 6 39
Core 7 37
Core 8 35
Amazing what this machine is capable of with a bit of tweaking :) Hope you are enjoying Elden Ring !
@@MashITTech I was at uneven FPS 30 to maybe 45. After your guide at nice butter smooth 60FPS
Can you make a video for the custom fan curve?
The best video about how to Throttlestop on the internet!!
One question though, when you were flicking between the profiles towards the end, does the undervolt remain on all profiles, or just the 'performance' one?
Thank you, you are most kind. The undervolt will remain on all profile 👍
Thanks you so much for this! Would love to see how to undervolt my GPU and change my fan profiles. I am running a MSI GE66 Raider with a RTX 3070. I have found the MSI dragon center to be very buggy, so I'd like to avoid using it.
Well you can use my msi afterburner guide on your 3070. Also download throttlestop and see if msi allow undervolting (assuming the ge66 uses intel 10870h?) If they do you can also use my guide on that too
Same CPU on M17 but has vapor chamber and better cooling, so better temps in general. Am I wrong? How far did you push the M17 R4 with TStop and what temps did you get? (yep, I'm oriented to the 17" model ;-))
Hi sorry, struggling to remember as I wasn’t as concerned because the temps were so much better but from memory it was just over 10c better on load. The 15” also has a vapour chamber btw but much smaller fans 👍
Thankdls for the video I don't suppose you can help? I have the M17 R1 with 4k and RTX 3080 but my touch pad no longer has RGB on it, I had to reset the entire laptop and install new version of windows on it but since the my rgb touch pad hasn't worked
After making adjustments do you run the bench mark test on all i.e. Performance Game Internet and Battery. I have gone down to 70 and when running the second test on cinabench it keeps crashing. And system gets really hot. Should I wait till system cool before starting every test? I have seen some state they don’t equally change the gpu/cpu. What order could they be changed in. I need help sorry new to this
I’m very curious how the 144hz panel with advanced optimus and g-sync performs (color accuracy, brightness, etc) as well as battery life and stress on the GPU
Can't wait for the one on the way with the cherry mechanical keyboard, that is one I cant wait for :)
at 15:00 how i can get those temps and Hz on top of Time Spy? Great video.
Thanks mate. That is explained in the next video in the series: ua-cam.com/video/TOicQR5g7zU/v-deo.html
it is using msi afterburner 👍
@@MashITTech thanks a lot!
Definitely be interesting to see what you can do with a results comparison between TS vrs Awcc+TCC. And or full rundown of Awcc custom settings. Atm. iam struggling with custom profiles saving per game/launcher. Crawling off a roof & heading straight for a cold beer Might be hampering my computer skills just a bit :)
Haha I love it, think I might join you. But in seriousness the next tweaking video will be focusing on the end results and command centre profiles/custom profiles 👍
If i had set TCC at 15 before , do i have to put it back to 0 before undervolting using this method? Thanks for the help
Nope, you can happily use both. You may want to find the best combination of them both for you. (I will be doing a further video where I put all the tweaks together to get the best from the system (it was just too long for 1 video)
@@MashITTech looking forward to it. I will probably use throttlestop and set a tcc of 10. I think Aorus/Gigabyte have a thermal limit of 90 degrees so I may copy that.
Yeah, I am more comfortable with 90c. 100c does seem hot buy macs have been running at that for years without problems, other than being a mac :p
Nice! I have a m15 and it hit -110 and was stable, scored 4100 in cinebench, but I'm having trouble getting throttlestop to remember my voltages after the system restarts, I have it on save voltages immediately
Let me check mine when I get in the office shortly and let you know because mine stick
I don’t know if this is true nowadays with TS, but I’ve had to set a group policy within the Windows Group Policy Editor to allow TS to run at bootup in the past.
I am pretty sure it is still the same, I just start mine with a batch file but I think Unused Love is having a different problem where his undervolt doesnt stick upon opening it after a reboot
@@MashITTech got it to work, not really sure what I did though, but it's sticking now. Another weird problem I'm having is in shadow of the tomb raider benchmark, I get really good fps until the last scene of the last benchmark, where I dip down to like 80, which makes my average fps about 107. Isn't my average fps supposed to be around 125?
I’ve managed -100 so far and stable. Do they need to remain the same or can the voltage be undervolted more than the other?
What’s it mean when throttle stop hits power
I have a x17 and got a stable under volt and reliable temp from 80-85 c while long game sessions
Only error I keep hitting in throttle stop is power
I'm so glad the video is finally here! It's informative and holds my hand the entire way. I do have some questions though that are making me super anxious now. Because my laptop is so expensive I got a really good warranty, now will undervolting void this? If so then if I use tcc which is built in then will that void it?
My other question is that I first see that you have these settings on an m15 so would I use the same settings for the m17? If not then what do you use that'd be absolutely safe and "stable"?
I went to reddit and searched if Dell would void the warranty if anything happened with it undervolted BUT others commented saying using throttlestop does not store logs so it'd be impossible for them to find out. I'm just terribly worried that after all this time and all this help you've given me so fast and efficiently that I'd break my laptop, void my warranty, and all within a day of having it. Anyway, please let me know. I loved the video and like I said I absolutely appreciate how fast and informative you are with your replies. Great channel and keep it up!
Using throttlestop will not void your warranty and neither will using TCC which alienware provided. If anything it will likely add longevity to your laptop as it will run cooler.
Also the 15 and 17 are essentially the same so yes the same settings, it will just run a bit cooler because of the larger fans 👍 always here to assist if you have any more questions 😃
@@MashITTech I'm glad cause I got 2 years of premium support plus... hate for that to void lol but I will absolutely take your word for it.
What settings do you use to get the most out of your own m15/17 while staying as cool as possible?
@@MashITTech do let me know if you can. I do realize that might be a lengthy reply but I do appreciate it. When I get my m17 I'm just going to copy and paste!
Will do mate. give me a few minutes and I will detail exactly what I would do. Also the last part of my tweaking videos will cover this as I plan to cover command centre profiles and put all the tweaks together to show the system running at its best
@@MashITTech yes! So excited!!!! Thanks so much.
Awesome content. I wonder if it works on the new x15 r2’s 12th gen cpu? With performance cores and all that good stuff.
no sorry it doesn't. The 12th gen is completely locked down :(
@@MashITTech ah that’s so unfortunate. But are you still able to set multipliers to tune it down when doing mundane jobs? If not, is the best option to just set the fan to silent mode? An tutorial on an alternative solution would be much appreciated! Thanks again for your wonderful contents, I’ve bought mine after watching your x15 r2 reviews :)
We would also like to see is there any use of Graphic Amplifier port. Thank you
That's a good idea! I will see if I can pick one up
The AGA is end of life. It doesn’t even support 30 Series graphics.
Somebody else mentioned that they are in the process of making an rev3 amplifier. I havent heard anything from Alienware yet though
wow. amazing videos .
Does these undervolts apply to the razor blade 3080? the specs r pretty much same ..
I am not 100% sure as I don't have the 2021 model yet but Razer locked out the undervolts on the 2020 models :(
Still learning. Love that your doing the Alienware laptops because I have one. I subscribed. Got 2 questions.
If I offset the voltage on throttlestop, then not save it immediately, and run cinebench and 3dmark. Is the results off cinebench and 3dmark based off the stock pc settings or the throttle stop offset?
What am I paying attention to when I undervolt it under throttlestop to know if it’s unstable? Do I just slowly increase till it crashes or so on throttlestop. Of course not saved. Just finding that sweet spot
Thanks mate. Once you have adjusted the voltages make sure the "ok - do not save voltages" is checked and apply, you will now see your offsets at the top right so you can see they are active. Now run throttlestop. If you are not sure if it is working just look at the watts it is using during cinenbench. Stock mine uses 105w after undervolt it uses 85w!
When you run the benchmark included in throttlestop, if it crashes or you get errors then the undervolt is too much. Also make sure you run time spy or similar GPU benchmark and also put the machine to sleep and wake it, if any of this causes a crash you have gone too far and need to back off.
Hope this helps but ask away if there is anything unclear 👍
Awesome video! I don’t know much about computers but I just bought a laptop cooling pad that has fans to blow colder air into the intake from underneath. Would you consider this useful at all?
I haven't tested any on the m15/m17 but I always prop my laptops up to give better airflow as they are always too close to the desk by default (companies trying to get the thinnest laptop!) therefore I am sure this will be better than putting it flat on a table 👍