@@pktgako From what I have seen, XTU lets you safely test your CPU when performing undervolts - if your system crashes during the stress test after you've applied an undervolt, it will revert your CPU to it's stable settings. I suppose if you do it just straight through the BIOS, you have no way of testing if your undervolt is going to be and remain stable or not.
@@jeeroylenkins3081 this intel utility will boot with these settings from the beggining or you need to open it every single time?.... if thats the case rather unisntall the app and aplly those settigns in the bios and forget about it
@@nicane-9966XTU can be set to boot with a setting profile you save. You can also set profiles to load for various programs. This is why I use XTU instead of making the settings in bios. Use standard settings for basic Windows tasks, and an undervolt-overclock profile for games. Also it takes quite a lot of work to test different configurations from bios if you are getting crashes from maxed out settings in certain applications
You have no idea how thankful I am for your video. I was able to get a -0.100V offset for my 9900k and went from 140w and 84°c to 110W and 73°c at full load with slightly better performance. Thank you !!!
You gave yourself some headroom for overclocking. The 9900K is very comfortable at 85° you might be able to feed back some of that voltage and get it to a steady 5GHz.
@@timotmon Overclocking wears out the processor faster and we are looking for the opposite, reducing consumption, temperatures and increasing its lifespan.
@@SeynGod This is an overreaction. unless you're constantly revving your CPU to it's throttle limit whatever degradation may be occurring is negligible at best. Even so performance is unaffected. I've had the 9900K since launch running at 5 GHz. It's always around the mid 80's during rendering and transcoding tasks. 5 years strong. I don't know why people don't trust the manufactures guidance either. The manufacturer is telling you these are safe temps yet all the enthusiasts have been stuck on 80 degrees or below for more than a decade now. It's just not true. Laptops hit 90 degrees all the time and other than having a hot machine they keep working as well. Unless you plan on using a CPU for 20 years then fine.. baby it all you want.
@@timotmon I managed to degrade my 4790K but it took me 10 years of 100% cpu usage. In the end it only operated at 3 Ghz and + 0,1 V. Now it's in my museum of much appreciated cpu's and it's finally at room temperature
OH MY GOD FINALLY! It should be a federal offense worthy of capital punishment for BIOS makers to have various UI's and wording. I couldn't find ANY tutorial that had my Gigabyte Bios on undervolting and google searches were vague, so I just used XTU which had an issue of randomly resetting it back to no offset. This finally explained what I needed to select to get the offset which was setting it to "Adaptive" THEN changing the offset. Google searches just said "Set this option to normal then change offset" which never worked/showed in XTU but having adaptive on was what I needed so thank you for uploading this video. Also, I am totally serious, there should be capital punishment for BIOS makers NOT having a uniform GUI with the same terminology/wording.
I was able to undervolt my 12900KF by -0,180V and save ~80 Watts, max temps are also ~20°C lower and my performance is the same if not even better. I'm so glad I actually watched this video 🥰
Thanks! Amazing guide! I have the 13700k, was hitting 100C and nearly 300W under a stress test with Cinebench. Was able to reach 0.165V offset, and improved temperatures to a max of 84C with 190W. While increasing Cinebench score from 28000 to 30600. Really amazing, I think I got lucky with the silicon lottery too. Mind you this is also all in an SFF case with a 4090 pumping out its own heat. Edit: System failed after using prime95 and avx2. Had to readjust the offset to 0.135V. Cinebench remained relatively unchanged, however it runs stable on prime95 and avx2 now. I would recommend everyone to use those two softwares to also test your stability, as Cinebench might not be enough.
What case are you using as I was looking at doing 13600k in a few SFF cases that I was looking at with something round a 4070 ti? Also what itx mobo are you using that you are allowed to undervolt with? Is it the Z series?
@@therealalpha5430 I’m using the NR200P Max. It comes with a psu and aio. Using the MSI Z790i Edge. And my 4090 (Suprim X) just perfectly fits the case. So I wouldn’t worry about fitting the 4070ti if you got the same case. I wouldn’t worry too much about the 13600k, as I believe that cpu can be one of the most efficient processors if properly undervolted. We’re talking about high 60C under load compared to low 80C for the 13700/900k. I should edit my post. I did testing with other software, such as prime95 and avx2. My system failed those benchmarks after a few minutes. So I had to tune it to a 0.135V offset instead. Been running stable with that. Cinebench scores were relatively the same and temps increased only by a degree or two and wattage increased to around 200W. As for prime95, that software really stressed the cpu, going to 95C with a 250W draw. But it was running stable after an hour of stressing with that software. I might play around with CPU lite load though, and see how stable and cool that will be.
@@bankaikun94 Thanks for the info! I was looking at that case the Lian Li A4 H20 and the Meshroom S as my final list. Or the potential new Dan Case C4 SFX when that releases since its a little bigger A4 that fits 280mm rad.
@@bankaikun94 Currently running around 60C with 13900KS - Stock Voltage on ASUS MBO with just simple Kraken AIO, feel like I could for sure undervolt it for even better temps, but too lazy.
I love how I always see the 13th gen and temperature in the same sentence LMAO! I have a 13700k and it throws out some H E A T. I am only undervolting it now because its summertime and it's getting a bit TOO toasty. Also running only 3 stock case fans along with a DeepCool AK620 which is a solid CPU cooler. The case in question is the Lian Li Lancool II which is NOT a good case, I found that out by removing the front panel which is just plastic (not mesh) decreased my temps by 10 to 12c. So currently my PC has no front panel, tempted to buy the mesh front conversion but its money and I am so lazy.
Undervolted my i5-13600KF to 1.140v, overclocked P-cores to 5.2Ghz & E-cores to 4.0Ghz. At 100% load in Cinebench R23 it draws 152/147W for the Package & IA Cores and doesn't exceed 72/73c and idles at 32-34c. I'm quite satisfied esp considering I have warmer ambient temps where I'm at.
Thx sm, I have a 12900ks and when running a 10 min test I hit 100c in seconds, finally have an offset of 135v and running 85 max, currently doing a stress test to see if she lives out
I have a 10700K with a 280mm AIO and as of late been using my pc to backup/compress my owned movies. CPU usage is usually at 100%, 84C temp, fans at max speed, uses 150W and I just browse the internet while it goes on. I was getting past the -0.13V but the scores were getting lower. Tried playing low resource heavy games (disgaea) but get MAJOR STUTTERS. Results: I left my cpu at -0.1V and now I dont go beyond 72C, 80% cpu usage, fans are very quiet, 119W. However, I can do so much more now at the same time. Been able to play games with BARELY any stutters (rare; been enjoying darktide), compressing videos, backing up videos, having a mobile game on my other monitor and watching shows. I guess its because my CPU isnt thermal throttling. Thank you for the video and explaining what to do. I really appreciate it :)
Disclaimer: I'm extremely new to this, so I don't have much knowledge on this and am going off guides. I got the 14900k and tried undervolting it, but I can't really do much with it. When following your guide, I started with -0,050V, but Cinebench R23 instantly crashes, so I lowered it by 0,010V until it reached -0,020V. Then it could run the test once. The temperature also went down slightly, but from 96°C to 94°C. Compared to how much people are going down in this comment section and how different the temperatures are, this is very miniscule in my case. Also I'm very fearful of running the 30 minute test; I'm pretty sure my CPU will reach 100°C very early and I don't want to do that to my CPU for an extended amount of time. I have the Gigabyte Aorus Master X and everything seems to be on Auto, only the CPU mode was on a setting called "optimized". (This PC was built and tested by a vendor who sells pc parts. I don't know if they changed settings in the bios and I don't want to reset everything. Sure I could take pictures of everything, but since I'm not well versed in there, I fear that I may skip an important setting or so and fuck everything up.) Cooling solution is a 360 AiO by MSI. Currently, while gaming, I haven't experienced any high temperatures yet, so I'm a little optimistic that I'm not ruining my CPU with too high temps. Still, I would really like to have a solution to this, because I want this processor (and pc) to last me a long time and not have to change it again in 3 years. Maybe someone has an idea what could be done. I'm a little scared tbh
@@killedbychuckles I monitored my stuff playing games. Currently, it's fine with a maximum of 75°C and average about 55°C. I haven't tested rendering a video, emulation or something a long those lines yet, so I'm leaving it at that for now. If in those cases, it gets too hot for a longer period of time, I might underclock and undervolt it instead of just undervolting, to get it under control. I asked in the Linus Tech Tips forum and the repliers all said, that it's fine; CPU's were made for higher temps and can run a while at 100°C with a stress test; it's only if that happens in your day to day activities or if it runs for a very long time at those temps that it's bad for the CPU (a stress test isn't day to day stuff). So I will just wait and see what happens with rendering and emulation once I want to test those things out. Currently I'm pretty happy with how it's working, even though I was concerned in the beginning; everything has been going smooth with low/adequate temps.
Checked because my experience is exactly the same lol, crashed at -0.050V in like 10 secs and lower than that there isn't really that much of a difference. Also have a 360 aio. The processor is too powerful I guess lol. Nice to see your LTT input, cyberpunk with Overdrive and Ultra settings goes hard on the temperature, it has reached a max of 90ºC for me so I will just keep monitoring it and if remains at +80ºC consistently I will just lower them or I might end up melting myself. Edit: Also one small little tip, reducing performance core ratio from x57 to x56 has eliminated 100% of the problems I have had with games crashing on start. This applies to other intel CPUs going from an odd p-core ratio to a lower even one (i.e. x55 to x54, x53 to x52).
I’m having the same issue with my i9 14900kf. I have a 420mm radiator water cooler, and my cpu was running sometimes at 80c while gaming (which is not bad but I want my cpu to last and wanted lower temps), I did noticed a temperature drop when underclocking it from 57 to 55 in Performance core ratio and from 44 to 42 in Efficient core ratio and undervolting it to -0.035v or -0.030 any more than that will make cinebench crash or will make the pc crash. Let me know if you found a better solution I’m noob in this and don’t know much.
Been having similar issue with the 14700. Undervolting by -0.1 and just forgot about it because it seems like these temps are normal for these 14th gen chips and it’s rare our CPU’s will hit 100% utilization for gaming
Make sure to use heavy load tests like Y-cruncher , I thought my undervolting was stable with Cinebench until I start doing a long render for my work, then I noticed that HWinfo have errors in the final line called "Windows Hardware Errors" , if you get even 1 error then your UV is not 100% stable.
I usually never comment on videos, but this video actually helped me out so much. Lowered my average i7 13600k temp when playing call of duty by 10 degrees.
Motherboard manufacturers always go crazy on the voltage except for Asus. I've had my 10850k undervolted for for years and saw a significant temperature drop for negligible performance loss. Good job getting the word out. On a related note Ryzens newer CPUs with Eco mode and thier non X skus look to be an amazing compromise between value, performance, and thermals.
Thanks for the instructions, I was able to get -0.100V offset for my 10700K cpu and have much better temps now. When I was testing the undervolt I had no issue with cinebench and went even lower to -0.14 but prime95 was crashing so I had to find a stable offset.
How do you manage to do it? I have the same proc but I get the unable to start ETU error or the program just stucks on the Intel extreme tuning utility screen.
Also what i've noticed is that Intel XTU is great for finding your undervoltage value, but it won't save after restart. So going into the Bios to put in your undervoltage value seems necessary after all. I would've liked to jus tuse Intel XTU but after every restart the settings are discarded.
xtu does keep your settings across restarts unless it crashes due to instability. it defaults back to default for this reason so you don't get stuck in a bootloop. but xtu is best used an in OS software and then cap the final settings in bios, uninstall xtu and put your core isolation securtiy back.
Hey there, great video! I just built a new pc last weekend with a i7 13700k with NH-D15 and am in the process of undervolting. I've found that im stable with -0.11V offset in CinebenchR23. Ran multiple 10mins tests and was all stable. Then i tried out the Intel XTU stress tests and i instantly fail the AVX2 stress test and after a minute or two i fail the AVX stress test. Now im unsure how important the AVX and AVX2 cpu stress tests are for a gaming rig. Since im very stable on -0.11V offset with Cinebench23 but am failing the AVX and AVX2 stress tests on XTU, i have to lower my undervolt to around -0.5 or -0.6V to be able to pass those tests... Would really appreciate your insight on those stress tests in XTU! Thanks again for the video!
AVX AND AVX2 are instructions for the cpu, some game used it like The Division 2 so if you fail the test there is no doubt your system is unstable. Trust me you want a system that is stable.
Ty after the newest bios update that fixes the cpu baseline, I got to work on this. Not sweating while using the PC and less power usage. -.095 volt was the max I could do.
Great video 👍! Panjno I am waiting for the power limiting version for people who cannot do this. Even though I couldn’t do this, I still found it interesting! 😊
Another great and informative video. Is there a chance you have an updated FPS/settings guide for Destiny 2. Lightfall is dropping soon and it would be great to see an updated video.
We have the same BIOS. If you notice when you set the offset voltage, at the bottom of the screen it says that it's only available if the CPU VCORE (Above) is set to Normal, but for you it is set to Auto. How come it works? Furthermore, once you've found the values you like with XTU, do you then apply them to your BIOS to make them sticky?
when doing your videos can you show the diff in multiplayer conditions and not an apex training area? those places always have best optimization any ways cheers for all the info you provide
I have a i9 12900H and have not been able to undervolt this CPU on my laptop. Only thing i was able do was download throttlestop and bring down my wattage in TPL settings. Def looking forward to better options.
hey, aorus z790 elite ax, i5 13600, xtu undervolt have no impact bios undervolt with undervolt current protection enabled/disabled there is 0 impact on voltage draw/power consumption by CPU, nor thermals. Up to date bios. it seems like in bios is an option which overide that offset or adjust diference from stock one not allowing on drop under ~ 1.2 acctualy hwinfo shows 1.14 uder load all time 148w power consumption and always cinebench r23 ~ 23.4k any idea how make that undervoltage to make it work?
Great video. You have to turn off XMP profiles to get to the menu on your motherboard to set those values. When I turn XMP back on it defaults to the earlier setting with no undervolt. Have you experienced this ? Using Win 11 I91300K with Z790 Aorus Master. I was able To use Intel's XTU and under volt and get a great result but you have to leave the core isolation turned off for it to work. I had same issue when using the bios with XMP enabled. Hoping some one has solved this issue.
I have an asus z790 motherboard but not sure where to go to turn core isoloation off. I did turn off my XMP profile and restarted my computer , went back into the utility to turn down my voltage but it just freezes when i do cinebench now.
I stopped using xtu as it had a habit of randomly resetting my offset back to default. Far easier to underclock in bios with better results. I no longer need to disable core isolation. Test for at least 1hr with prime95 small fft for a proper stability test.
On my new 13900K I have been able to get down to -.054mv offset, and only by setting the max on all p-cores to 5.5GHz. With my NH-12A air cooler, I stay just below the thermal throttle on most stress tests. Losing the 300 MHz "two core" speed doesn't bother me as it's not noticeable. Seems to get the 5.8 it needs a little more voltage, but I like the lower temps.
Oh I couldnt... sry Panjno, but Core VIDs aint V-core. Core VIDs cannot be used by Your CPU, simply cuz its not provided by the mobo. Your CPU uses what the mobo gives, which is the V-core. Depending on Mobo/Bios/CPU/Silicon Lottery/Delid/LLC/etc it depends how much lower it can go. You could also do the same on a GPU, if "the game" doesnt utilize it fully, so You can reduce power draw to ~80% via MSI afterburner. Which can help with cooling, power bill, stability and NOT frying the power connector on a 4090 KEKW. Also You can achieve higher clock speeds on lower voltage. Thank You for the awesome video as always
When I open Intel Extreme Tuning Utility in compact view its grayed out and reads Manual Tuning "Overclocking is disabled on this system." Its an Acer with Core i5-12500H. Any recommended advice? Sadly the bios did not come with an Advanced option.
Well, maybe my 13th gen cpu is doomed aince ive use dir for a year unaware of intels failures. But at least I know how to undervolt now and mitigate degradation on any future CPUS I have. Thanks man.
Easiest way to understand power your CPU but leave your GPU without anything complicated is to go under power options under processing state and change all the maximum to 50% as under games under load barely use like 20-30% of your CPU and just adjust it when you get any slow downs when normally using your PC my CPU temps went from 96 C to only 50 C and games run even better now as no thermal throttling and then can even overclock your GPU
How do you do that? and if you want your ram to be maxed to 6000 mhz and still do that. This voltage thing didn't work for me. When i did the voltage anytime i did cinebench it'll just freeze . same with video editing. it'll just close automatically.
@@PhilGoodzGaming just go under power settings for whatever windows power plan you have and change your processor maximum to like 80% and adjust them accordingly until you get the right performance at the right temps
@@PhilGoodzGaming no in windows, open control panel, go to system, power settings, usually there's a few options: balanced, low battery, high performance, razer Cortez, or ultimate permeance mode. Just edit the one you have enabled, advance, scroll down to processing power
@@triggerhappy52786 fyi, I have windows 11. And the three options I see in power settings is balanced(which it is on) best power efficiency and Best performance. Guess I’ll try best power efficiency. I did find a way in the bios to lower voltage but it didn’t help. Going to .05000 just crashes cinebench and anything that uses 100 percent of the cores.
Motherboards overvolt the fk out of your CPU on ""optimized defaults". Anyone that has an Intel CPU should take a look at undervolting because you might have been running your CPU at very high temperatures if you don't have a good CPU cooler. Also undervolting your GPU is worth to take a look at.
Just wrong information here. Core VID voltage is the voltage the core wants to have ( Intel defined ) it’s not the acutual vcore. Use cpu-z beside Hwinfo for actual vcore.
I’ve under volted my cpu by 0.14 and under max load using prime 95 temps are super low and the clock speed consistently remains at max but when playing games the fps is noticeably lower (before I would 800-900 in Fortnite creative and now I get 600-700). Which is weird to me because I understand with less power obviously it could take away from the fps but if the clock speed is consistent how does it affect it ?
Unfortunately I dont think I am able to undervolt. I have a i9 13900k with rog z690-f, 2024 bios update. I need the bios update to run 13th gen on the mobo but I believe the bios update that allows 13th gen also blocks undervolting. would there be any other way around this? (corrections are welcomed as I am new to building pc's and this is my first one)
the only options i see for you is to buy z790 motherboard which is what i did too. I bought Asus Prime Z790 p WiFi board which is already supports 13Gen, DDR5 RAM. I also have "Intel i9 13900k CPU" and am being able to undervolt due to temperature issues.
@@nataliovega1416 Cinebench is only for benchmark porpouse not temperatures test. But I turned off hyper thread and E cores. fan curve 100% on 70 degrees. On warzone my cpu hits average 70 to 80 degrees. I have -0.200v off set also.
On laptops Intel is actively working on disabling this feature. They already disabled it on cheaper H series ones, now they are disabling it even on enthusiast level HK and HX ones. I'm not buying Intel ever again.
I was doing like you said but no matter how more I was hovering the voltage neither did my temps nor power consumption decrease at all! I went to -0,450 but no improve for some reason😢 I have 250w, 1,34 voltage and 95 degrees during the Test and the number DONT CHANGE when I undervolt
My processor temperature does not drop at all. I have an I7 12700K and I did the procedure, I went to -0.095 on the Intel XTU which is the maximum it can do before the PC crashes. I went little by little up to this voltage, but in all tests, the CPU is hitting 100 degrees. I've had the PC for 2 years and I've never had a problem with it. I noticed it when one day I went to restart the PC and it was stuck at the boot screen, informing me that the CPU was at high temperatures. Then I downloaded the HW info and saw that the CPU is hitting 100 degrees. I bought the CPU bracket for socket 1700, bought thermal paste from thermal grizzly kryonaut and nothing helped. I have a Thermaltake TH120 Water Cooler. Can someone help me? Should I try to undervolt through the bios instead of using the Intel XTU?? I thank the attention!
so im having an issue and id why, i was only able to get my 13900K to -0.085v and was no longer thermal throttling, but when i went to go play fortnite i had a "out of memory" issue, turning back on core Isolation fixed it, but it reset my voltage offset after i restarted and i couldnt change it because i need core isolation OFF in order to go into XTU and changed it
No, it has its own service that kicks off when Windows is booted, it's called "XTUOCDriverService". Still, it's a good tool find your stable offset, but when you have found it - it's better to set them in BIOS.
I must be doing something wrong with my XTU because even when I lower the voltage offset, I see it works for a second, and then my core voltage starts rapidly increasing and decreasing. It's all stable and my computer doesn't crash but it never sits at a consistent voltage. Is this because I have a setting enabled somewhere where it keeps changing based on CPU load?
I would recommend finding your best offset voltage through Intel XTU, then uninstalling XTU and setting the offset voltage in BIOS.
Why?
The reason behind that?
@@pktgako From what I have seen, XTU lets you safely test your CPU when performing undervolts - if your system crashes during the stress test after you've applied an undervolt, it will revert your CPU to it's stable settings.
I suppose if you do it just straight through the BIOS, you have no way of testing if your undervolt is going to be and remain stable or not.
@@jeeroylenkins3081 this intel utility will boot with these settings from the beggining or you need to open it every single time?.... if thats the case rather unisntall the app and aplly those settigns in the bios and forget about it
@@nicane-9966XTU can be set to boot with a setting profile you save. You can also set profiles to load for various programs. This is why I use XTU instead of making the settings in bios. Use standard settings for basic Windows tasks, and an undervolt-overclock profile for games. Also it takes quite a lot of work to test different configurations from bios if you are getting crashes from maxed out settings in certain applications
You have no idea how thankful I am for your video. I was able to get a -0.100V offset for my 9900k and went from 140w and 84°c to 110W and 73°c at full load with slightly better performance. Thank you !!!
You gave yourself some headroom for overclocking. The 9900K is very comfortable at 85° you might be able to feed back some of that voltage and get it to a steady 5GHz.
@@timotmon Overclocking wears out the processor faster and we are looking for the opposite, reducing consumption, temperatures and increasing its lifespan.
@@SeynGod This is an overreaction. unless you're constantly revving your CPU to it's throttle limit whatever degradation may be occurring is negligible at best. Even so performance is unaffected. I've had the 9900K since launch running at 5 GHz. It's always around the mid 80's during rendering and transcoding tasks. 5 years strong. I don't know why people don't trust the manufactures guidance either. The manufacturer is telling you these are safe temps yet all the enthusiasts have been stuck on 80 degrees or below for more than a decade now. It's just not true. Laptops hit 90 degrees all the time and other than having a hot machine they keep working as well. Unless you plan on using a CPU for 20 years then fine.. baby it all you want.
@@SeynGod Underclock your cpu than,and don't touch the voltages,that is the best way to secure longevity and low temperatures.power consumption too,
@@timotmon I managed to degrade my 4790K but it took me 10 years of 100% cpu usage. In the end it only operated at 3 Ghz and + 0,1 V. Now it's in my museum of much appreciated cpu's and it's finally at room temperature
OH MY GOD FINALLY! It should be a federal offense worthy of capital punishment for BIOS makers to have various UI's and wording. I couldn't find ANY tutorial that had my Gigabyte Bios on undervolting and google searches were vague, so I just used XTU which had an issue of randomly resetting it back to no offset. This finally explained what I needed to select to get the offset which was setting it to "Adaptive" THEN changing the offset. Google searches just said "Set this option to normal then change offset" which never worked/showed in XTU but having adaptive on was what I needed so thank you for uploading this video.
Also, I am totally serious, there should be capital punishment for BIOS makers NOT having a uniform GUI with the same terminology/wording.
I was able to undervolt my 12900KF by -0,180V and save ~80 Watts, max temps are also ~20°C lower and my performance is the same if not even better. I'm so glad I actually watched this video 🥰
you should see what a de lid plus liquid metal will do. Most of the times you can get 200-300mhz more OC at same or lower voltage.
0.18v lmao i doubt it's stable
@@LeConseilDuRap I did actually have to alter a bit but -0,16v seems to work fine for me now
Do you have to reactivate Core Isolation again when you are done?
@@Captain_Kebap there was a comment here saying you should turn it back on after you've finalized everything
Thank you for this, I was able to go from 95c under stress to 74c. Much appreciated 🎉
ACTUALLY?
Make sure to keep an eyeon the Cache as well as, undervolting won't do a darn thing if the cache is still sitting higher then the voltage
can you expand on that? where should we go to adjust the cache as well?
Thanks! Amazing guide!
I have the 13700k, was hitting 100C and nearly 300W under a stress test with Cinebench. Was able to reach 0.165V offset, and improved temperatures to a max of 84C with 190W. While increasing Cinebench score from 28000 to 30600. Really amazing, I think I got lucky with the silicon lottery too.
Mind you this is also all in an SFF case with a 4090 pumping out its own heat.
Edit:
System failed after using prime95 and avx2. Had to readjust the offset to 0.135V. Cinebench remained relatively unchanged, however it runs stable on prime95 and avx2 now. I would recommend everyone to use those two softwares to also test your stability, as Cinebench might not be enough.
What case are you using as I was looking at doing 13600k in a few SFF cases that I was looking at with something round a 4070 ti? Also what itx mobo are you using that you are allowed to undervolt with? Is it the Z series?
@@therealalpha5430
I’m using the NR200P Max. It comes with a psu and aio. Using the MSI Z790i Edge. And my 4090 (Suprim X) just perfectly fits the case. So I wouldn’t worry about fitting the 4070ti if you got the same case.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the 13600k, as I believe that cpu can be one of the most efficient processors if properly undervolted. We’re talking about high 60C under load compared to low 80C for the 13700/900k.
I should edit my post. I did testing with other software, such as prime95 and avx2. My system failed those benchmarks after a few minutes. So I had to tune it to a 0.135V offset instead. Been running stable with that.
Cinebench scores were relatively the same and temps increased only by a degree or two and wattage increased to around 200W.
As for prime95, that software really stressed the cpu, going to 95C with a 250W draw. But it was running stable after an hour of stressing with that software.
I might play around with CPU lite load though, and see how stable and cool that will be.
@@bankaikun94 Thanks for the info! I was looking at that case the Lian Li A4 H20 and the Meshroom S as my final list. Or the potential new Dan Case C4 SFX when that releases since its a little bigger A4 that fits 280mm rad.
@@bankaikun94 Currently running around 60C with 13900KS - Stock Voltage on ASUS MBO with just simple Kraken AIO, feel like I could for sure undervolt it for even better temps, but too lazy.
I love how I always see the 13th gen and temperature in the same sentence LMAO! I have a 13700k and it throws out some H E A T. I am only undervolting it now because its summertime and it's getting a bit TOO toasty. Also running only 3 stock case fans along with a DeepCool AK620 which is a solid CPU cooler. The case in question is the Lian Li Lancool II which is NOT a good case, I found that out by removing the front panel which is just plastic (not mesh) decreased my temps by 10 to 12c. So currently my PC has no front panel, tempted to buy the mesh front conversion but its money and I am so lazy.
Undervolted my i5-13600KF to 1.140v, overclocked P-cores to 5.2Ghz & E-cores to 4.0Ghz. At 100% load in Cinebench R23 it draws 152/147W for the Package & IA Cores and doesn't exceed 72/73c and idles at 32-34c. I'm quite satisfied esp considering I have warmer ambient temps where I'm at.
I have an i5-13600K, those idle / usage temps are very nice.
I have a 13600KF too... What method did you use? XTU? and how many volts did you decrease.
@@Rakansaleh95 135v?
Can you teach me how did you do that? Got the same cpu
Thank you so much for this guide!
I manage -0.190v on my i9 13900kf and went from 88 while gaming to 75 degrees!!
Thx sm, I have a 12900ks and when running a 10 min test I hit 100c in seconds, finally have an offset of 135v and running 85 max, currently doing a stress test to see if she lives out
And, How did it go? I have a 12900k also and think it is quite warm standard. I am also looking at the thermal grisly to assist in this.
you're a lifesaver dude, undervolting my CPU helped alot with the temps and improved the performance! Havent experienced any crashes either.
I have a 10700K with a 280mm AIO and as of late been using my pc to backup/compress my owned movies. CPU usage is usually at 100%, 84C temp, fans at max speed, uses 150W and I just browse the internet while it goes on. I was getting past the -0.13V but the scores were getting lower. Tried playing low resource heavy games (disgaea) but get MAJOR STUTTERS.
Results:
I left my cpu at -0.1V and now I dont go beyond 72C, 80% cpu usage, fans are very quiet, 119W. However, I can do so much more now at the same time. Been able to play games with BARELY any stutters (rare; been enjoying darktide), compressing videos, backing up videos, having a mobile game on my other monitor and watching shows. I guess its because my CPU isnt thermal throttling.
Thank you for the video and explaining what to do. I really appreciate it :)
Disclaimer: I'm extremely new to this, so I don't have much knowledge on this and am going off guides.
I got the 14900k and tried undervolting it, but I can't really do much with it. When following your guide, I started with -0,050V, but Cinebench R23 instantly crashes, so I lowered it by 0,010V until it reached -0,020V. Then it could run the test once. The temperature also went down slightly, but from 96°C to 94°C. Compared to how much people are going down in this comment section and how different the temperatures are, this is very miniscule in my case.
Also I'm very fearful of running the 30 minute test; I'm pretty sure my CPU will reach 100°C very early and I don't want to do that to my CPU for an extended amount of time.
I have the Gigabyte Aorus Master X and everything seems to be on Auto, only the CPU mode was on a setting called "optimized". (This PC was built and tested by a vendor who sells pc parts. I don't know if they changed settings in the bios and I don't want to reset everything. Sure I could take pictures of everything, but since I'm not well versed in there, I fear that I may skip an important setting or so and fuck everything up.)
Cooling solution is a 360 AiO by MSI.
Currently, while gaming, I haven't experienced any high temperatures yet, so I'm a little optimistic that I'm not ruining my CPU with too high temps. Still, I would really like to have a solution to this, because I want this processor (and pc) to last me a long time and not have to change it again in 3 years.
Maybe someone has an idea what could be done. I'm a little scared tbh
I'm having the same issue as you described with my 14900k with 360 aio. Did you ever figure out how to lower temps?
@@killedbychuckles I monitored my stuff playing games. Currently, it's fine with a maximum of 75°C and average about 55°C. I haven't tested rendering a video, emulation or something a long those lines yet, so I'm leaving it at that for now. If in those cases, it gets too hot for a longer period of time, I might underclock and undervolt it instead of just undervolting, to get it under control.
I asked in the Linus Tech Tips forum and the repliers all said, that it's fine; CPU's were made for higher temps and can run a while at 100°C with a stress test; it's only if that happens in your day to day activities or if it runs for a very long time at those temps that it's bad for the CPU (a stress test isn't day to day stuff). So I will just wait and see what happens with rendering and emulation once I want to test those things out. Currently I'm pretty happy with how it's working, even though I was concerned in the beginning; everything has been going smooth with low/adequate temps.
Checked because my experience is exactly the same lol, crashed at -0.050V in like 10 secs and lower than that there isn't really that much of a difference. Also have a 360 aio.
The processor is too powerful I guess lol. Nice to see your LTT input, cyberpunk with Overdrive and Ultra settings goes hard on the temperature, it has reached a max of 90ºC for me so I will just keep monitoring it and if remains at +80ºC consistently I will just lower them or I might end up melting myself.
Edit: Also one small little tip, reducing performance core ratio from x57 to x56 has eliminated 100% of the problems I have had with games crashing on start. This applies to other intel CPUs going from an odd p-core ratio to a lower even one (i.e. x55 to x54, x53 to x52).
I’m having the same issue with my i9 14900kf. I have a 420mm radiator water cooler, and my cpu was running sometimes at 80c while gaming (which is not bad but I want my cpu to last and wanted lower temps), I did noticed a temperature drop when underclocking it from 57 to 55 in Performance core ratio and from 44 to 42 in Efficient core ratio and undervolting it to -0.035v or -0.030 any more than that will make cinebench crash or will make the pc crash. Let me know if you found a better solution I’m noob in this and don’t know much.
Been having similar issue with the 14700. Undervolting by -0.1 and just forgot about it because it seems like these temps are normal for these 14th gen chips and it’s rare our CPU’s will hit 100% utilization for gaming
😂😂 was genuinely looking at doing this today you hero !
Me too 😊
Finallllyy a video that shows how to proper undervolt, ty
I loved the quality of this video, how helpful and straight forward it is. Thank you Panjno!
Make sure to use heavy load tests like Y-cruncher , I thought my undervolting was stable with Cinebench until I start doing a long render for my work, then I noticed that HWinfo have errors in the final line called "Windows Hardware Errors" , if you get even 1 error then your UV is not 100% stable.
Man thank you so much. My temps have been all over the place while gaming by doing this its at a steady 60 degrees.
Earned a sub, Thanks for the detailed description
I learned a lot from this video. Thank you so much for your explanation and easy-to-follow undervolting guide.
I usually never comment on videos, but this video actually helped me out so much. Lowered my average i7 13600k temp when playing call of duty by 10 degrees.
Also running as an administrator helps with the issue of not allowing installing the utility
I think Internal cpu vcore should be set to Normal 10:20 for undervolt to work
Motherboard manufacturers always go crazy on the voltage except for Asus. I've had my 10850k undervolted for for years and saw a significant temperature drop for negligible performance loss. Good job getting the word out.
On a related note Ryzens newer CPUs with Eco mode and thier non X skus look to be an amazing compromise between value, performance, and thermals.
Does it work when you update bios?
Well explained and well illustrated !!!
Thanks for the instructions, I was able to get -0.100V offset for my 10700K cpu and have much better temps now. When I was testing the undervolt I had no issue with cinebench and went even lower to -0.14 but prime95 was crashing so I had to find a stable offset.
How do you manage to do it? I have the same proc but I get the unable to start ETU error or the program just stucks on the Intel extreme tuning utility screen.
Also what i've noticed is that Intel XTU is great for finding your undervoltage value, but it won't save after restart. So going into the Bios to put in your undervoltage value seems necessary after all. I would've liked to jus tuse Intel XTU but after every restart the settings are discarded.
xtu does keep your settings across restarts unless it crashes due to instability. it defaults back to default for this reason so you don't get stuck in a bootloop. but xtu is best used an in OS software and then cap the final settings in bios, uninstall xtu and put your core isolation securtiy back.
Hey there, great video! I just built a new pc last weekend with a i7 13700k with NH-D15 and am in the process of undervolting. I've found that im stable with -0.11V offset in CinebenchR23. Ran multiple 10mins tests and was all stable. Then i tried out the Intel XTU stress tests and i instantly fail the AVX2 stress test and after a minute or two i fail the AVX stress test. Now im unsure how important the AVX and AVX2 cpu stress tests are for a gaming rig. Since im very stable on -0.11V offset with Cinebench23 but am failing the AVX and AVX2 stress tests on XTU, i have to lower my undervolt to around -0.5 or -0.6V to be able to pass those tests... Would really appreciate your insight on those stress tests in XTU! Thanks again for the video!
I've heard C23 is less demanding than some previous iterations and other benchmarking apps, this might explain why.
AVX AND AVX2 are instructions for the cpu, some game used it like The Division 2 so if you fail the test there is no doubt your system is unstable.
Trust me you want a system that is stable.
Make sure you didn't click the overclock button, i ran the same test but it failed because i had it oc, passed it with 01.25v, crashed at 01.45v
finally got my temps on my 14900k down to under 75c with this guide!! i was hitting 90 before
Ty after the newest bios update that fixes the cpu baseline, I got to work on this. Not sweating while using the PC and less power usage. -.095 volt was the max I could do.
Great video 👍! Panjno I am waiting for the power limiting version for people who cannot do this. Even though I couldn’t do this, I still found it interesting! 😊
Ah, finally. Regular uploads from the GOAT. 🙌🏼
Amazing video! exactly what I needed
Nice stuff..Do you set a pl1 and pl2 limit or not?
For Intel 10600k I needed a older version of XTU to adjust the voltage. Thanks for the guide!
Can you do this for your cpu after undervolting your gpu or will that also have to be adjusted/returned to default before commencing?
If you find your optimal settings, can you just copy paste them into bios without any problems?
Another great and informative video. Is there a chance you have an updated FPS/settings guide for Destiny 2. Lightfall is dropping soon and it would be great to see an updated video.
Simple and easy to follow
If there's no downside, then why don't they just do this by default?
We have the same BIOS. If you notice when you set the offset voltage, at the bottom of the screen it says that it's only available if the CPU VCORE (Above) is set to Normal, but for you it is set to Auto. How come it works?
Furthermore, once you've found the values you like with XTU, do you then apply them to your BIOS to make them sticky?
All you have to do is turn core isolation off to be able to under volt with the newest version of IETU
i cant find it on windows 10 ?
@@wolfemongillo6246 its in bios settings
Thanks for this! Got my 13700kf under control 😂. What do you think about disabling MCE?
Thank you, very useful info.
i have an i7-9700k and i got to -0.125V and it's perfect for me. great video. Where is the GPU guide?
@@Venoom-ji5djdid ur fps decrease or stayed pretty much the same?
when doing your videos can you show the diff in multiplayer conditions and not an apex training area? those places always have best optimization any ways cheers for all the info you provide
extremely useful video thanks
I have a i9 12900H and have not been able to undervolt this CPU on my laptop. Only thing i was able do was download throttlestop and bring down my wattage in TPL settings. Def looking forward to better options.
Out of all of Intel's tile architectures (Gen 12,13 & 14) which one give the greatest amount of performance with power saving ?
hey, aorus z790 elite ax, i5 13600,
xtu undervolt have no impact
bios undervolt with undervolt current protection enabled/disabled there is 0 impact on voltage draw/power consumption by CPU, nor thermals.
Up to date bios.
it seems like in bios is an option which overide that offset or adjust diference from stock one not allowing on drop under ~ 1.2 acctualy hwinfo shows 1.14 uder load all time 148w power consumption and always cinebench r23 ~ 23.4k
any idea how make that undervoltage to make it work?
Thank you this cool down my gaming laptop
Love it, updated my BIOS and performance shit the bed, But downgraded the bios and performance doubled, Now I can't use XTU
Great video. You have to turn off XMP profiles to get to the menu on your motherboard to set those values. When I turn XMP back on it defaults to the earlier setting with no undervolt. Have you experienced this ? Using Win 11 I91300K with Z790 Aorus Master. I was able To use Intel's XTU and under volt and get a great result but you have to leave the core isolation turned off for it to work. I had same issue when using the bios with XMP enabled. Hoping some one has solved this issue.
I have an asus z790 motherboard but not sure where to go to turn core isoloation off. I did turn off my XMP profile and restarted my computer , went back into the utility to turn down my voltage but it just freezes when i do cinebench now.
I stopped using xtu as it had a habit of randomly resetting my offset back to default.
Far easier to underclock in bios with better results.
I no longer need to disable core isolation.
Test for at least 1hr with prime95 small fft for a proper stability test.
On my new 13900K I have been able to get down to -.054mv offset, and only by setting the max on all p-cores to 5.5GHz. With my NH-12A air cooler, I stay just below the thermal throttle on most stress tests. Losing the 300 MHz "two core" speed doesn't bother me as it's not noticeable. Seems to get the 5.8 it needs a little more voltage, but I like the lower temps.
when you undervolt you lose mhz ? this affect mhz ?
(i7 3700k ) ( -0.075 V) i got 10 to 11 degree difference when it is on stress, and good performance also stable. good video.
boosted my i5 9900k at 5GHZ with -0.070V atleast 2x
you're a lifesaver
How do I set it to automaticaly apply it on startup ?
Hey there panjno!thanks for the video my cpu temps have been much cooler since i tried this! Also if possible can we have a tiny11 gaming review?
Oh I couldnt... sry Panjno, but Core VIDs aint V-core.
Core VIDs cannot be used by Your CPU, simply cuz its not provided by the mobo.
Your CPU uses what the mobo gives, which is the V-core.
Depending on Mobo/Bios/CPU/Silicon Lottery/Delid/LLC/etc it depends how much lower it can go.
You could also do the same on a GPU, if "the game" doesnt utilize it fully, so You can reduce power draw to ~80% via MSI afterburner.
Which can help with cooling, power bill, stability and NOT frying the power connector on a 4090 KEKW.
Also You can achieve higher clock speeds on lower voltage.
Thank You for the awesome video as always
Geekbench is also good to test transients/idle/light usage. I would recommend geekbench 5 or 6.
Great video👌👌
Please make a video on how to undervolt amd cpu
When I open Intel Extreme Tuning Utility in compact view its grayed out and reads Manual Tuning "Overclocking is disabled on this system." Its an Acer with Core i5-12500H. Any recommended advice? Sadly the bios did not come with an Advanced option.
Yo just wanted to say great background music this time around
Great video....thanks
Well, maybe my 13th gen cpu is doomed aince ive use dir for a year unaware of intels failures. But at least I know how to undervolt now and mitigate degradation on any future CPUS I have. Thanks man.
Massive thanks. Drop my 13600kf temps to 6°avg with -0,050V :)
100v best?
Will the settings revert after restarting the computer? Also, do I have to run XTU on background all the time for it to work?
Do one with throttlestop its more efficient.
i use quickcpu, have you tried/heard of it?
Yeah I undervolted with throttle stop too, it also have a built in testing method which is also nice 👍👍👍
Easiest way to understand power your CPU but leave your GPU without anything complicated is to go under power options under processing state and change all the maximum to 50% as under games under load barely use like 20-30% of your CPU and just adjust it when you get any slow downs when normally using your PC my CPU temps went from 96 C to only 50 C and games run even better now as no thermal throttling and then can even overclock your GPU
How do you do that? and if you want your ram to be maxed to 6000 mhz and still do that. This voltage thing didn't work for me. When i did the voltage anytime i did cinebench it'll just freeze . same with video editing. it'll just close automatically.
@@PhilGoodzGaming just go under power settings for whatever windows power plan you have and change your processor maximum to like 80% and adjust them accordingly until you get the right performance at the right temps
@@triggerhappy52786 are you speaking of power settings in the bios? What do you mean to take down 80 percent? Sorry/ kinda noob at this voltage thing.
@@PhilGoodzGaming no in windows, open control panel, go to system, power settings, usually there's a few options: balanced, low battery, high performance, razer Cortez, or ultimate permeance mode. Just edit the one you have enabled, advance, scroll down to processing power
@@triggerhappy52786 fyi, I have windows 11. And the three options I see in power settings is balanced(which it is on) best power efficiency and Best performance. Guess I’ll try best power efficiency. I did find a way in the bios to lower voltage but it didn’t help. Going to .05000 just crashes cinebench and anything that uses 100 percent of the cores.
if you want to really check if your undervolt is stable try to stress test your cpu with prime95
Whokeys is not legal. It's probably bulk volume keys that are not allowed to be sold this way. They are in violation of their contract with MS...
Motherboards overvolt the fk out of your CPU on ""optimized defaults".
Anyone that has an Intel CPU should take a look at undervolting because you might have been running your CPU at very high temperatures if you don't have a good CPU cooler.
Also undervolting your GPU is worth to take a look at.
will there be a AMD video on this aswel?
pls do one for amd cpu
Should XTU remain open or load on windows start for these settings to be applied?
I have an MSI Z790 DDR5 WIFI motherboard and a 13th gen i7 700k and I am unable to go negative on the Core Voltage Offset.
same... idk what to do, i cant go negative in bios also....
Just wrong information here. Core VID voltage is the voltage the core wants to have ( Intel defined ) it’s not the acutual vcore. Use cpu-z beside Hwinfo for actual vcore.
Im able to open up xtu just fine, but the is greyed out. Could someone help me out please? I’m using a 13600k
in intel extreme tuning utility the manual tuning is greyed out by me... how can i fix it ? i got an 7700k
Hi. I'm using 13900k and just wondering if I should copy the p core and e core value in the vid?
First relevant add I've seen.
This doesn't work at all for me. I reduced the voltage in XTU until Cinebench crashed and the temperature and core voltage stays exactly the same.
should I set my settings back to default in bios before adjusting with XTU program?
I’ve under volted my cpu by 0.14 and under max load using prime 95 temps are super low and the clock speed consistently remains at max but when playing games the fps is noticeably lower (before I would 800-900 in Fortnite creative and now I get 600-700). Which is weird to me because I understand with less power obviously it could take away from the fps but if the clock speed is consistent how does it affect it ?
Unfortunately I dont think I am able to undervolt. I have a i9 13900k with rog z690-f, 2024 bios update. I need the bios update to run 13th gen on the mobo but I believe the bios update that allows 13th gen also blocks undervolting. would there be any other way around this?
(corrections are welcomed as I am new to building pc's and this is my first one)
the only options i see for you is to buy z790 motherboard which is what i did too. I bought Asus Prime Z790 p WiFi board which is already supports 13Gen, DDR5 RAM. I also have "Intel i9 13900k CPU" and am being able to undervolt due to temperature issues.
There may be an option to disable undervolt protection in the bios. There is on Z690 boards from MSI.
lol in hindsight that was a terrible choice for your first pc
my 12700k 5.0 mhz hits 100ºC on cinebench. I have a deepcool assassin III. this is crazy.
hi what you do to lower temp?
@@nataliovega1416 Cinebench is only for benchmark porpouse not temperatures test. But I turned off hyper thread and E cores. fan curve 100% on 70 degrees. On warzone my cpu hits average 70 to 80 degrees. I have -0.200v off set also.
On laptops Intel is actively working on disabling this feature. They already disabled it on cheaper H series ones, now they are disabling it even on enthusiast level HK and HX ones. I'm not buying Intel ever again.
And ryzen cpus on laptops, can they be undervolted?
I was doing like you said but no matter how more I was hovering the voltage neither did my temps nor power consumption decrease at all! I went to -0,450 but no improve for some reason😢 I have 250w, 1,34 voltage and 95 degrees during the Test and the number DONT CHANGE when I undervolt
If your CPU is Intel and it doesn't have a 'K' at the end of the model then it's locked by intel
@Panjno Please make a video about processor undervolting through throttlestop
My processor temperature does not drop at all. I have an I7 12700K and I did the procedure, I went to -0.095 on the Intel XTU which is the maximum it can do before the PC crashes. I went little by little up to this voltage, but in all tests, the CPU is hitting 100 degrees. I've had the PC for 2 years and I've never had a problem with it. I noticed it when one day I went to restart the PC and it was stuck at the boot screen, informing me that the CPU was at high temperatures. Then I downloaded the HW info and saw that the CPU is hitting 100 degrees. I bought the CPU bracket for socket 1700, bought thermal paste from thermal grizzly kryonaut and nothing helped. I have a Thermaltake TH120 Water Cooler. Can someone help me? Should I try to undervolt through the bios instead of using the Intel XTU?? I thank the attention!
so im having an issue and id why, i was only able to get my 13900K to -0.085v and was no longer thermal throttling, but when i went to go play fortnite i had a "out of memory" issue, turning back on core Isolation fixed it, but it reset my voltage offset after i restarted and i couldnt change it because i need core isolation OFF in order to go into XTU and changed it
Is undervolting only provided with a higher class intel mainboard like the z mainboards where Cpu overclocking is enabled?
Ty!
From:
Stock:
CORE VIDS: 1.325V
GPU PACKAGE: 95C
CPU PACKAGE POWER: 197W
CPU (MULTI-CORE): 22894 pts
To:
Fifth undervolting (-0.165):
CORE VIDS: 1.146V
GPU PACKAGE: 75C
CPU PACKAGE POWER: 137W
CPU (MULTI-CORE): 23679 pts
i5 13600KF
Would undervoting my Omen 15 2020 laptop increase performance for music production???
Do we need reopen Intel Extreme tuning after startup pc and re-set last stable core voltage offset?
No, it has its own service that kicks off when Windows is booted, it's called "XTUOCDriverService". Still, it's a good tool find your stable offset, but when you have found it - it's better to set them in BIOS.
I must be doing something wrong with my XTU because even when I lower the voltage offset, I see it works for a second, and then my core voltage starts rapidly increasing and decreasing. It's all stable and my computer doesn't crash but it never sits at a consistent voltage. Is this because I have a setting enabled somewhere where it keeps changing based on CPU load?
Does the intel program need to be running in the background to continue the undervolt?
Flying around in minecraft Java with elytra on 32 chunks is the best cpu stress test lol
Vid is requested voltage not the actual voltage