The Battle of Beecher Island: Frontiersman vs Roman Nose's Cheyenne
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2021
- In the summer of 1868 Major George A. Forsyth, under orders from General Sheridan, raised a company of fifty "first-class hardy frontiersmen" to seek out and engage hostile Native Americans. These scouts soon found themselves outnumbered and surrounded by hundreds of Cheyenne warriors, under the leadership of Roman Nose, as they took refuge on a little sandbar in the middle of the Arikaree river. What followed is now known as the battle of Beecher Island. #history #wildwest #cheyenne
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Thank you. I'm now going to go google Gene Shephard.
Brevet means you are the rank assigned to you. For example Custer was Brevet General. As long as hostilities continue he was ranked as a general. After the war ends they go back to their original rank, as a sign of respect they are usually regarded as by their brevet rank while their actual rank is something else in pay and rank. Awesome job on the video
Ah, makes sense. Thanks Gary.
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@@brotherbrovet1881 I’ve heard they were rough on lots. Most straight out of college 30 day wonders I believe they called them? My dad was Korean War. They had WW2 left overs so they were still good. But Vietnam was a different mess. Booby traps and all. It had to be rough to go through
My Grandfather got promoted from Sgt to Lt as soon as he got to Korea because everyone else that outranked him had already gotten killed that day......
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Absolutely the best podcaster I have listened to. Wish I had found you sooner. I read about the fight at Beecher Island in a book by Terry Johnston, which was very good, but your narration was more enjoyable. Loved your humor.
You're too kind! And I love those old Terry C Johnston books. Especially his Titus Bass series.
Bit obsessed with battle of Beecher Island atm. Writing a song about it and have a book from 1930 off first hand accounts ordered and on the way. Appreciate your work!
Book from 1930!!? Where did you get it? I'm looking for History books pre- 1930's, but 30 makes the cut if I could find one.
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Oh man am I glad I found this channel
Been to the battlefield site in Colorado. Amazing how much the land and river channel has changed in a 150 years. The river bed is mostly dry now due to agriculture and the island is long gone. Thanks for your quality coverage of this historic encounter.
I've listened to podcasts for 8 to 12 hours a night, as I work alone, for the last 8 years. Yours, sir, us one of all time favorites. I love the subject matter but I think you could be telling stories about daffodils and dirt and still be entertaining.
Wow, thank you! What do you do for work?
@@WildWestExtravaganza I work for a natural gas company. I work an odd shift where I'm basically on call for emergencies for most of my shift.
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You made that tale about the Dalmatian so convincing, I legitimately started to question your sanity and intelligence. Got me good bro
Found this just now... you finally did an episode on this often forgotten large engagement in the Plains Wars, great job!
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Really thought you were "bloody beavering" us with the Contrarians. Loved the long ep and soooo looking forward to Liver Eating Johnson.
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I already knew about such classic engagements as the Hayfield Fight and the Wagon Box Fight; but the Battle of Beecher Island was new to me. Thanks for posting!
Brother, there’s no way you can know how valuable your work here is to us, but you should. I’m forever grateful to you for doing this research and reporting of history. I cannot do it for myself and do everything else I have to. So you are worth your weight in gold.
I truly appreciate that
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Another good podcast, entertaining and accurate, thank B.B. A thought of one of the toughest to live was sometime earlier. General Samuel Whiteside was a contemporary of Boone and Kenton. He lived in Galena in the early period Illinois history. He was in charge of the military forces during the campaign against Black Hawk. His courage was legendary. The General was a famous hunter. He went on long expeditions and lived happily off the land. One time he killed three panthers without boasting or fuss. He must have been of the same calibre as Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett. This is one tough as nails man, of the early frontier.
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Went and visited this site Monday, great memorial there
Really good one and well done! Thank you!
As always another great story! I do believe you've cornered the market on story telling!
Ha! I wish. Thank you!
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I've been to Beecher's Island twice. You can feel that it's hallowed ground when you're there. It should be taught in schools. I never even heard of the battle until I was an adult.
I've studied the battle thoroughly. Somewhere out on them fields is the monument that was built around the turn of the century. When the Republican flooded in the 1930s I think, the top of the monument was never found.
It did look like the river had moved over a lot over the decades. The Battleground is in the middle of nowhere.
Great podcast.
I'd love to visit one day
Good retelling of this story. Been out there to Beecher Island. It's off a back highway in a shallow ditch covered in cotton woods in the otherwise bleak flat middle of no where eastern Colorado. To visit such a location really brings home how terrible, stupid and moslty forgotten the history of this country really is
Thanks. I went to a similar battleground recently. Remote and you'd never know it was there.
I'm running a bit behind on these episodes. But, for your reading enjoyment you need to check out the plainsmen series from Terry Johnson. He also has a series on the rocky mountain fur trade. Check them out. Very good books.
I loved the stories about Seamus and Titus Bass.
I got to say you might have some of the best content on the internet. I was wondering if you were going to bring up the metal utensil thing and yeah yeah without fail and unearing craftsmanship and hilarity
This was a excellent episode.
Harriet Beecher Stowe's husband and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain knew each other. Both men were professors at Bodwin College.
Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain saved the Union on Little Round Top and Big Round Trip at Gettysburg.
Chamberlain was multilingual and was the governor of Maine. Wounded five times.
Soapy Smith was a notorious thumper, his Alaskan spree was pretty epic. I'd like to hear what you could uncover on that rascal.
He's on the list!
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Any time, any chance of you doing a show on the whiskey trade in Montana and fort whoop up, and Gerry Potts 🙏🏴☠️thanks again
Any time, any chance of you doing a show on the whiskey trade in Montana, southern Alberta, fort whoop up,and Gerry Potts,
@@zaskar97 Absolutely. I talk about it some on the Liver Eating Johnson episode
I have only found your channel in the last few days been listening ever since I love history and have the since of humor of a 8 grader
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@33:33 Its not that this scout scared to death, it was that he had been a braggard and a bully and had been shown up as being a genuine coward who deserved no pitty !!!
Any man can faulter, but they might at least try to reload the guns of others under safe cover...
I love that first picture! This guy looks like he padded the chest of his uniform for the picture.
Thank you !!!!
Jerky was hugely popular in Indian and other people like the Mongols. It is possible that Army troops and scouts ate jerky.
It is against Jewish law to eat anything that comes from a pig like ham, bacon or pork. Even eating shellfish like clams, shrimp and lobster are forbidden to be eaten by Jewish people.
The Cheyenne weren’t initially displaced by whites, ownership of the land transferred between tribes as they were displaced by other Natives for a long time before whites ever came to the USA. Some tribes were caught between tribes, just trying to exist. Complex trade, law and everything. There does seem to be a consistent narrative of The People coming from the great lakes. Maybe trade influence along waterways was remarkable.
ALL THE "FIRST NATIONS" people are more like 3rd Nation people.... Yes, they JUST happened to be occupying the land when the whites took it. (Who will take it from the White man)? -- if you know HISTORY, you realize King Solomon (yeah THAT KING SOLOMON from the Bible) had COPPER mines up the Mississippi River. --"American" history is a lot more crazy than what you are taught in school.
Good Sir, this is a masterpiece. Another 10 holes in the ceiling, but fear not the upstairs ladies of ill repute are again cuddled here on the bearskin around the computer machine enjoying your show. Well done.
Thank God. I was worried.
I first learned of this battle when I discovered Terry Johnston books. Have you thought about covering half breed leaders that didn't stay on the rez? Examples like the renegade groups leaving the rez and even half breed scouts?
The Oregon trial reference, I would either die to drowning, cholera, or “sickness”, literally just said “sickness”; checks out.
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Thanks
I met one old white guy who went to an Indian school. He said he'd fought more Indians than Custer. He said he'd once been forced to take cover behind a cat. But he said the cat ran away because he was a big ..... Not gonna repeat it.
Great episode! Really enjoyed this one. Any word on when that Josiah Scurlock one will be finished? I've read up a little on him and seems pretty interesting. Curious to see what hidden treasures you can dig up on him that the common idiot like me overlooks.
Soon!
Dude I think it would be dope if you did an episode on sheriff Thomas J Smith of Abilene, his archives are crazy
Hoping to hell they were'nt digging their own graves..
Now that's deep!
Also, the contrarians are hillaryarious😂
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I went to the battle site in June this year. Nothing much to see and the geography has altered over the years. There doesn't seem to be an island of any kind today. Lovely free campground and some interesting monuments. If you ever decide to go approach from the north not the south. I bent an axle on my camper going north. It is bad.
I find myself fascinated by “Karens” “Sovereign Citizens” and “Religious Fanatics” I guess you can boil it down to; I’m intrigued by delusional stuff.
To bring myself back to reality I’ve discovered that recent history, history so near you and I can almost touch it. Fascinates me more than the others I’ve mentioned. (Thankfully)
HOKC and Dates and Dead Guys, now it’s you; Wild West Extravaganza. These stories are gripping and told like they happened last year. As timelines go these stories did take place last year.
Listening while burning the eggs and bacon.
Carry on Big Guy.
You get my thump up, you pull your weight Josh! Did you ever read The fighting Cheyenne by G.B. Grinnell, historian and close buddy of the younger Bents? I bet, Roman Nose never saw a heap of weapons in his describing, let alone owned it. This Tribe was always under armed if it's coming to firearms take the compare to the Lakota. You served a fine piece, forgive my bickering! Your speech was sometimes just pilosophie, but please don't call the mass murder by a idiot officer on his men a massacre my friend. ❤ God's Blessings from Northern Germany Ludwig.
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Josh, do you have any info on Fred Hans? He was a scout for General Sheridan and General Crook.
Im afraid not
Awesome channel
Any plans for an episode on Wounded Knee?
Roman Nose,,,,,,,,,,,never signed a Treaty and never went to a reservation. Lived a Free Man,,,,,,,,,,Died a Free Man,,,,,,,,,and had a Warriors Death. God said, No greater Love than to give your Life to save another,,,,,,,,God Like's Warriors and i think God is Very Proud of Roman Nose,,,,,,,,,,,RIP Great Warrior Roman Nose,,,,,,,,,,huka hey !!!!!!!!!!!!
Just pure badassery
brvt normally was a battlefield commission that would often cease after war time and the rank would drop back to original, as I understand it
A brevet was a warrant giving a commissioned officer a higher rank title as a reward for gallantry or meritorious conduct but may not confer the authority, precedence, or pay of real rank.
U sir are bloodybrilliant.u would make an excellent history teaçher! Well I suppose u are.either way I for one are extremely grateful
There is a saying that goes something like this “hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times.” Unfortunately I M afraid we are in a soft men portion and hard times is around the corner “great reset”.
Yes we see that now unfortunately. Maybe we are going to have an all new "old west" timeline if the Kreml go forth with it's plans of doom . Crazy effing bastards.
I enjoyed this. It’s a story about human tragedy that doesn’t require you to take sides. Please do one about Custer and Crazy Horse
Soon
Think of "brevet" as "acting." Eventually, you either get the promotion of revert to your official rank. You needed a certain rank to command a brigade, so a senior colonel (or lieutenant colonel if the colonel was killed, in recovery, or resigned) would perform those duties and get a brevet rank when the paperwork caught up with their actual duties. There was a backlog of unawarded brevet general ranks that were issued in March 1865.
Ah, gotcha. Thank you, Mark.
Josh I love your channel. But I don't think Sand Creek was a massacre. There were many plains tribes at Sand Creek with white captives. After Black Kettles village got overrun the Cavelry was chased from the field. I'm from Oklahoma and studied Native American history at Tulsa University. I worked for Philbrook Art Meuseum. Took lots of Peyote with Choctaw Indians. I prepared the paraphernalia for the peyote ceremony with some Cree and Kiowa Indians associated with the museum. I didn't go to plains Indian ceremonies because they were to serious. Myself and the Choctaws would take Peyote and catch rattlesnakes and go herpin. Real truth is those battles are subject to individual interpretation. Keep on keeping on. Cary in Tucson
Excellent piece ,like your Dalmation story.try reading Flashman& the redskins.
Killer job on Ouachita!
My grandpa fought in WW2, both of my grandpas actually, but my grandpa on my dads side, ol Pepa, wrote memoirs, and within his memories was the first causality from his side that he experienced. He wrote “a fellow sailor died today, a black man, and I sat with him while he went. A black man dies the same way a white man does, asking for his mother.” He later on was a chairman of the local chapter in his area of the NAACP during the civil rights movement
There's a cemetery above central city co that's full of plots where people had died from smallpox during the 1860s.
Ouch! Shot in each leg, with little opportunity for quick, clean treatment, and pain relief. Ouch! Would definitely desire strong Thought Power and ability to Meditate, erasing the trauma.
... Fortitude a plus
Essentially "brevet" is a field promotion to replace the spot vacated by another officer who, for whatever reason, cannot perform their duties any longer. For all intents and purposes they have the full authority of the rank they are appointed to. However, it isn't permanent until it is approved by Congress so in many cases it is temporary until the post is filled by another appointed officer of that rank or the brevet becomes approved officially. Indeed, Custer's field promotion was never approved so after the war he was reverted back to his official rank and reassigned a command appropriate to that rank meaning he went from commanding a brigade to commanding a regiment.
When Patton assumed command of the US forces in North Africa it was a brevit promotion , though in his case Congress eventually approve his promotion to Maj General making it permenant.
I live 50 mile from beacher. But look up the summit springs battle. That one is 50 miles away
You scared the hell out of me!!!! "I cut her throat and used her to take cover.. and it worked they all stopped coming and we won the game and they went home"
I was waiting for you to say that really didn't happen and then you kept going....😮 Let me sitting here in shock then he came back and said no I was just kidding I didn't really do that. Omg you scared the hell out of me lol 😆😆😆
Good game!
Haha
How hard is it to look up what brevet means? It means a war time promotion and after the war you revert to your rank. Why would you have ceremonial ranks for anyone on active duty?
On the day I recorded this episode my google was broken
Fuck yeah that was a kick ass fucken story getting back to your roots as a story teller keep them popping Josh
I was hoping you were joking about the coup de grace on the dog. But knowing how your sense of humor runs I suspected it was a joke.
@The Wild West Extravaganza did 'ol Eddie Vedder know any Pearl Jam songs? Lol
Brevet is not just in name. It did give you the power and pay raise. However it is temporary. After the civil war the rank would revert back to the lower rank.Custer was a general in the war and had the power as well.
I saw that same business about Young Guns 3. Heard Lou Diamond Phillips had talked about it. I think Fusco got a couple promises and got excited. Sounds familiar.....
A brevet rank is temporary, generally wartime.
Dude read Fanny Kelly's My Captivity Among the Sioux.
Perfect listening whilst day drinking and dabbing as i attempt to invent cool shit. I mainly end up breaking my crap but occasionally i make something cool as fuck
Haha that paintball match😂😂😂
I’ve never laughed out loud so much on a history podcast. I’ve heard some YG2 references that I thought were only used by me and my friends/family
Could Murphy have been the guy that went into ‘terror’ during the fight???
If you haven't done one of these on the flight of the northern Cheyenne from Indian territory you should.
I was going to say, if you want to know what horse tastes like, just go to McDonald's. Always an interesting story on here! I love these obscure historical tidbits! It's like finding treasure to me! I wish you all the best and hope you stay safe!
If im not mistaken this is about when the major hostilities started. Im talking about the mutilation and really crazy stuff. The worst of it began between Mexicans/Spanish and native Americans. It spiraled out of control from there. Those were the first killings that had the crazy mass mutilations. I dont think anyone knows who started the mutilation for sure but the violence continued tit for tat in the same fashion when Mexico sold the native land to the US.
All the same stay away from my darn dog lol
I've always heard he wasn't supposed to eat deer meat for however long before a battle or without a cleansing ritual. Roman nose that is. You probably know better than I though. Thanks for the story
Interesring - but learn the art of narration. It's not about talking as fast as possible.
Horse is delicious
I prefer it over beef but it's not that easy to come by in my parts lol
Edit since I just heard the digging the bullet out of the leg part, my grandpa got shot in two separate hunting accidents and my grandma dug the bird shot out the best she could the first time out of his back and the second time he got hit in the neck with a slug but it was a good distance away so it pretty much just lodged into the neck muscles she also dug that slug out he still has the slug in a jar lol
I once used a butter knife to dig one out but no I use a safety razor
Dude at Sand Creek there were Black Kettle and his Cheyenne. Attacked by Custer and Sherman. However there were more Cheyenne, Arapaho, Kiowa, and Comanche at Sand Creek camped up and down the creek with white captives they were torturing. After Custers original attack that killed Black Kettle and his wife, and 80 others. Custer and Sherman ran into the rest of the Indians and driven from the field.
Wiki Says
The Articles of War adopted by the United States Army in 1776 and slightly revised in 1806 established the use and significance of brevet ranks or awards in the U.S. Army. When first used, a brevet commission in the U.S. Army entitled the officer to be identified by a higher rank, but the award had limited effect on the right to higher command or pay. A brevet rank had no effect within the officer's current unit. When assigned duty at the brevet rank by the U.S. President, such an officer would command with the brevet rank and be paid at the higher rank.
This higher command and pay would last only for the duration of that assignment. The brevet promotion would not affect the officer's seniority and actual permanent rank in the army. Beginning on April 16, 1818, brevet commissions also required confirmation by the United States Senate, just as all other varieties of officer commissions did.