a group of guys in my town think playing low as possible is the best way to build boxes, its so stupid they can play down to like 10hz but the box rolls off at like 25hz so there is like no loud bass above 25hz... When I build my boxes I want them to be loud and musical and have a good frequency bandwidth 😊
3:10 there's definitely information on a lot of songs below 30hz, i've seen a lot of newer songs hit 20-25hz lows only thing is if you tune low like that you need something to fill the gap in the frequency response
@@RobotUnderground I mean I guess that's your opinion. It's definitely worth it to me I have a system tuned low and a system tuned at around 34hz, the low tuned one sounds better to me it's just a hell of a lot more power and effort to get it sounding good. but ima just say this. subsonic filters make hip hop music objectively worse. If you can hit the lows then always hit the lows
@@Tmanstomp100shut up justifying inefficiency by compensating with more power is just idiotic.obviously you know nothing about musicality and frequency response you don't know how real music supposed to sound alot of you guys replacement music for noise and distortion and high group delay thinking that is real sound morons. Robot is bringing real truth to the game for free and you idiots are denying the truth
@@asmack360 Nice argument just rushing in and assuming I'm an idiot because I like to hit lows. Just for that i'm not gonna talk to you because you're a retard. and you most likely haven't read my comment. also. I don't give 2 fucks about efficiency if I did I have a different sub and box for that so take your opinion and shove it up your ass.
@@asmack360 Just because you like to spend all your money shopping for the perfect setup FOR YOU, does not mean everyone is gonna agree to your bullshit. If you read what I said, I have both types of setups. The low tuned one sounds better. it dips at around 60hz but with my mids it's fine. you mfs get so mad when you see somebody trying to get what they want for cheap. like dawg I found this shit at the junkyard for sale. it ain't that serious. but go waste another grand on your opinion RETARD.
I have a 15” fi audio neo 4.11, it has a vas of 48.8 liters which according to an online calculator is 1.72 cubic feet but there site recommends 3-5 cubic feet. Should I follow the vas or the mfg recommendations for best sound quality.
@@RobotUnderground fs is 33. This is my first neo sub and I wasn’t sure if the rule of thumb with the 16 square inches of port applied or if I need more with the extra motor force. It’s definitely an upgrade from the 15” XFL I had in there.
Rockford fosgate use to have a box building app similar to what your using they also had a wiring app for subs and wire spec's for your vehicle depending on your application. Kicker had a test tone app for sounds sweeps.💯🎶🛠️👍✌️🍻
OG Resonant Engineering! I still have a HC15. They were having a bogo deal on em in 2003-4? Best SQL sub I've heard. What happened to the originators of RE?
They split. Their builder, David Moore went back home to Star, MS and started PSI / Pink Star Industries. Scott sold his half to US Amps and went next door to start Fi Car Audio. US Amps and Mark I assume, still work together today. Mark has China hookups so he may have moved there to coordinate shipments and design work... as well as live a much more lavish lifestyle.
I have tried to tune 2.0 cu-ft net vol enclosure to 33hz using 16 sq-in per cu-ft and it was impossible to get that 33hz tuning using 16 sq-in per cu-ft because the port length was going over 35'' inside the box. Ended up using 12 sq-in per cu-ft the results was good and no port noise.
I had a little 200w skar ix10 in the corner I was board so I build an enclosure for it to give it to a buddy that had a sealed 10" pioneer compact loaded enclosure, I used skars recommended port size volume and tuning and I when I tested it was actually surprisingly impressed how it sounded and on squat for power I could see some vibration in my rear view., no it wasn't going to crack a windshield but the buddy I gave it to was really impressed the thump from it on fairly new audio control 5 channel (he picked up for a song at $200)
So what I’ve done and worked well when messing around with ports is on the port long wall is cut it diagonally making the low side the end away from the corner. I call it an Angled slot port just know that let’s say you wanted 10 inch normal on that side of port wall I’d make it 20 inches long with the diagonal angle. This makes the frequency range the sub hits hard in larger imo.
@@RobotUnderground yeah I know air space is air space but how air flows is changed is all. I only mention it because the couple times I have tried it the sub still hit lows the same but seemed to hit the upper frequencies little better or those songs with those certain higher baselines. And I’m not talking about some huge gains or anything crazy but someone like yourself would notice it like did.
I accidentally built a enclosure a tad bit smaller than recommended for two fifteens the smallest enclosure is 6 cubic feet my enclosure is 5.85 I notice bye it being smaller it can handle more power
Every time I try to use the RE box design it always says plug in is not supported and can't seem to find out how to make it work. How do I make this work properly?
I think i should just leave the box buildin to you professionals. This video probably just ruined some poop sessions😂 i just dont build boxes enough to do these steps repitisiously to learn them. But i still enjoy these educational to the bone vids. They atleast make me feel like i did some educational studyin😂😂😂. Great vid Mr. Patrick💪💯
Also when I use the W×H×D to measure the enclosure it seems to give me a larger size than what I entered,for example if I entered measurements for 4 cubic feet it gives me around 6cubic feet, is it compensating for gross enclosure size ?
@@russellrodriguez8201 The volume it's calculating is the INNER volume, assuming you're using .75" material. If it's thicker, you'll need to update that option.
All the numbers in the world don't mean shit to me after what I experienced back in 96 when buddy guy friend simply had a pair of 6.5" up front and only 1 of those never forget blue 4 spoke chrome bottom plate 15" spl 150 ss thing a magoo's in the trunk of a Honda, now I have a pair of my own and wouldn't dare try to relive the moment as they would probably disintegrate in today's current economic number crunching corner cutting world.
MB will ehh whas up! An make you a box for ya kicka coo cass sniff sniff. He knows a secret nooooo one else knows he like a box building wizard! I know the secret tho you use wood and make a big ol box with a slot in it. Bam magic!
I remember MBE saying you have to build a 2-15 box at certain heights, depths, and what not or it won't sound good. I was laughing because I was doing opposite of what he said on a 15 box at that time and it was pounding between 34hz-44hz. Believe he said the height 'should' at least be 18 inches. Mine was only 16inches high😆
@@Macross223 Yeah, he's dumb. There are lots of old school dummies that think you need to account for standing waves or try and use the Golden Ratio. Air is a fluid. It doesn't care what shape or even size of the enclosure. It only cares about the volume / weight of the air.
@@Macross223 and the prices on his very basic boxes are obscene. When the testimonials say his box made 2 8" sound like 2 15s! ? Huh? Thats just dumb sounding...The guy apparently has never heard 2 15s then because that's not a real thing... What do 2 15s in his box sound like 2 24"s! Lol
I message you on another video I wish I had your personal number to text but I know you're super busy. I have to teninch Alpine type R Subwoofers, and every time I'm done playing them. I'm getting fiberglass residue in the back of my Jeep. It has a pattern on it like a bunch of dots in sheets of it. I checked the spiders, it's not them. I'm thinking it might be the former. Do you know if they used fiber glass? Formers on those subs third generation. It would help me tremendously. I have them on Facebook marketplace but I don't wanna sell them to no one if they're falling apart. And is there any way I could fix it maybe with? Some cigarettes on the exposed former. I can see maybe I don't know.
a group of guys in my town think playing low as possible is the best way to build boxes, its so stupid they can play down to like 10hz but the box rolls off at like 25hz so there is like no loud bass above 25hz... When I build my boxes I want them to be loud and musical and have a good frequency bandwidth 😊
Tune to the low 30's and you'll be good 💯
3:10 there's definitely information on a lot of songs below 30hz, i've seen a lot of newer songs hit 20-25hz lows only thing is if you tune low like that you need something to fill the gap in the frequency response
It's not heard, only felt. Not worth the effort on acoustic transducers. Better to use tactile types at that frequency.
@@RobotUnderground I mean I guess that's your opinion. It's definitely worth it to me I have a system tuned low and a system tuned at around 34hz, the low tuned one sounds better to me it's just a hell of a lot more power and effort to get it sounding good. but ima just say this. subsonic filters make hip hop music objectively worse. If you can hit the lows then always hit the lows
@@Tmanstomp100shut up justifying inefficiency by compensating with more power is just idiotic.obviously you know nothing about musicality and frequency response you don't know how real music supposed to sound alot of you guys replacement music for noise and distortion and high group delay thinking that is real sound morons. Robot is bringing real truth to the game for free and you idiots are denying the truth
@@asmack360 Nice argument just rushing in and assuming I'm an idiot because I like to hit lows. Just for that i'm not gonna talk to you because you're a retard. and you most likely haven't read my comment. also. I don't give 2 fucks about efficiency if I did I have a different sub and box for that so take your opinion and shove it up your ass.
@@asmack360 Just because you like to spend all your money shopping for the perfect setup FOR YOU, does not mean everyone is gonna agree to your bullshit. If you read what I said, I have both types of setups. The low tuned one sounds better. it dips at around 60hz but with my mids it's fine. you mfs get so mad when you see somebody trying to get what they want for cheap. like dawg I found this shit at the junkyard for sale. it ain't that serious. but go waste another grand on your opinion RETARD.
You're welcome to Philly anytime I'm the king of the city down here brother
Last time I was there I was trying to get on the freeway and I got lost in West Philadelphia
I have a 15” fi audio neo 4.11, it has a vas of 48.8 liters which according to an online calculator is 1.72 cubic feet but there site recommends 3-5 cubic feet. Should I follow the vas or the mfg recommendations for best sound quality.
3.5 to 4cf is fine. Notice the Fs. What is it?
@@RobotUnderground fs is 33. This is my first neo sub and I wasn’t sure if the rule of thumb with the 16 square inches of port applied or if I need more with the extra motor force. It’s definitely an upgrade from the 15” XFL I had in there.
@@426moparman426 Yes, 16sq inches of port area per cubic foot. So 16 x 3.5 = 56sq"
Rockford fosgate use to have a box building app similar to what your using they also had a wiring app for subs and wire spec's for your vehicle depending on your application. Kicker had a test tone app for sounds sweeps.💯🎶🛠️👍✌️🍻
See if you can find a link in the archives www.archive.org
I designed my box months ago, i went box and played around just to make sure the design was still solid.
OG Resonant Engineering! I still have a HC15. They were having a bogo deal on em in 2003-4? Best SQL sub I've heard. What happened to the originators of RE?
They split. Their builder, David Moore went back home to Star, MS and started PSI / Pink Star Industries. Scott sold his half to US Amps and went next door to start Fi Car Audio. US Amps and Mark I assume, still work together today. Mark has China hookups so he may have moved there to coordinate shipments and design work... as well as live a much more lavish lifestyle.
I have tried to tune 2.0 cu-ft net vol enclosure to 33hz using 16 sq-in per cu-ft and it was impossible to get that 33hz tuning using 16 sq-in per cu-ft because the port length was going over 35'' inside the box. Ended up using 12 sq-in per cu-ft the results was good and no port noise.
Gimme your specs bro. I'll see if I can get your to your goal.
What do you mean by "no port"? 2nd Order (Sealed) aka: on par to the Sd or Vas?
Port doesn’t have to fit “inside” the box my friend.
@@krowwithakay ahhh, I see what you're saying now. 👍
You know I really wanted a re audio sub
Maybe I can help with something better definitely cost less
I had a little 200w skar ix10 in the corner I was board so I build an enclosure for it to give it to a buddy that had a sealed 10" pioneer compact loaded enclosure, I used skars recommended port size volume and tuning and I when I tested it was actually surprisingly impressed how it sounded and on squat for power I could see some vibration in my rear view., no it wasn't going to crack a windshield but the buddy I gave it to was really impressed the thump from it on fairly new audio control 5 channel (he picked up for a song at $200)
Thank you Thank you..
You bet!
Great video👍
That was my favorite box calculator i wish i still had it
I can send you the link just text me direct 602-312-6504
So what I’ve done and worked well when messing around with ports is on the port long wall is cut it diagonally making the low side the end away from the corner. I call it an Angled slot port just know that let’s say you wanted 10 inch normal on that side of port wall I’d make it 20 inches long with the diagonal angle. This makes the frequency range the sub hits hard in larger imo.
Nope. Sorry bud. Air is a fluid so it'll just average out. Same thing with different sized and length ports.
@@RobotUnderground yeah I know air space is air space but how air flows is changed is all. I only mention it because the couple times I have tried it the sub still hit lows the same but seemed to hit the upper frequencies little better or those songs with those certain higher baselines.
And I’m not talking about some huge gains or anything crazy but someone like yourself would notice it like did.
I accidentally built a enclosure a tad bit smaller than recommended for two fifteens the smallest enclosure is 6 cubic feet my enclosure is 5.85 I notice bye it being smaller it can handle more power
Correct. Won't be as low and loud but will take more power. Dan Wiggins talked about this a while back. This is from 2006. bityl.co/LDFb
Every time I try to use the RE box design it always says plug in is not supported and can't seem to find out how to make it work. How do I make this work properly?
Just try to uninstall it and delete it and then download the first copy for me and then go from there
I think i should just leave the box buildin to you professionals. This video probably just ruined some poop sessions😂 i just dont build boxes enough to do these steps repitisiously to learn them. But i still enjoy these educational to the bone vids. They atleast make me feel like i did some educational studyin😂😂😂. Great vid
Mr. Patrick💪💯
Bandpass boxes only. 4th, 6th order
That just sounds like commitment, very limiting. 😅 🔊🎼
You will need the dosbox program to run the blaubox program on modern windows computers
I think there's actually a website that you can run it through as an emulator
@@RobotUnderground the dosbox is an emulator to run D.O.S programs, I got it (blaubox) to work .I think it's a neat program.
Also when I use the W×H×D to measure the enclosure it seems to give me a larger size than what I entered,for example if I entered measurements for 4 cubic feet it gives me around 6cubic feet, is it compensating for gross enclosure size ?
@@russellrodriguez8201 The dims are the OUTER dimensions. It's assuming that you're using .75" material.
@@russellrodriguez8201 The volume it's calculating is the INNER volume, assuming you're using .75" material. If it's thicker, you'll need to update that option.
Incidentally anyone have the Thiele Small Parameter for Audio Legion S2512D4 ?
Fs is 40hz
You should be able to look on the website as well
I'll say hit from the mountaintops: Passive Radiators-FTW
You're not wrong they're just expensive
@@RobotUnderground car audio is one hell of a drug🥰
😮😮😮o 0
Yea using flash as an addon in chrome left the back door open for hackers and malware.
Well you know how I like it in the back door so... there's that
The RE calculator is off quite a bit. Torres calculator is more accurate.
Right, but does it affect the sound?
@@RobotUnderground when you're trying to nail tuning it affects peak frequency
@@DibeezyTheGifted That's what an EQ is for.
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Where’s the google drive link hook it up.
Just text me direct with your name and shipping address. I'll add you to the phone and we can go from there. 6023126504
drive.google.com/file/d/1OOVJEdpKM_LP21ma2SSnv95E0AsIBjdh/view?usp=drive_link try this I have it
@@RobotUndergroundI got your number still needing another 12” he2 silver cone and coil 😂
I have done the math!! (as a European)
IN3, FT3... Those freedom units are confusing
.I think I need to increase the box by 3 American Eagles
All the numbers in the world don't mean shit to me after what I experienced back in 96 when buddy guy friend simply had a pair of 6.5" up front and only 1 of those never forget blue 4 spoke chrome bottom plate 15" spl 150 ss thing a magoo's in the trunk of a Honda, now I have a pair of my own and wouldn't dare try to relive the moment as they would probably disintegrate in today's current economic number crunching corner cutting world.
It's pronounced Thangamuhgooh
Looks like potable potty
[Kidding]
MBE has a special secrete formula to make boxes, so he says.😂
You make them better? 😂😂
@@TripleOgTripleOgTriplenope lol he just talking lol
First
MB will ehh whas up! An make you a box for ya kicka coo cass sniff sniff. He knows a secret nooooo one else knows he like a box building wizard! I know the secret tho you use wood and make a big ol box with a slot in it. Bam magic!
Bam!
I remember MBE saying you have to build a 2-15 box at certain heights, depths, and what not or it won't sound good. I was laughing because I was doing opposite of what he said on a 15 box at that time and it was pounding between 34hz-44hz. Believe he said the height 'should' at least be 18 inches. Mine was only 16inches high😆
@@Macross223 Yeah, he's dumb. There are lots of old school dummies that think you need to account for standing waves or try and use the Golden Ratio. Air is a fluid. It doesn't care what shape or even size of the enclosure. It only cares about the volume / weight of the air.
@@Macross223 and the prices on his very basic boxes are obscene. When the testimonials say his box made 2 8" sound like 2 15s! ? Huh? Thats just dumb sounding...The guy apparently has never heard 2 15s then because that's not a real thing... What do 2 15s in his box sound like 2 24"s! Lol
Have you heard his boxes in person? 😄
Wtf...i just understood what a screen saver was for @22:00 ....been alive since 96
An now you will see flying toasters in your dreams.
I message you on another video I wish I had your personal number to text but I know you're super busy.
I have to teninch Alpine type R Subwoofers, and every time I'm done playing them. I'm getting fiberglass residue in the back of my Jeep. It has a pattern on it like a bunch of dots in sheets of it. I checked the spiders, it's not them. I'm thinking it might be the former. Do you know if they used fiber glass? Formers on those subs third generation. It would help me tremendously. I have them on Facebook marketplace but I don't wanna sell them to no one if they're falling apart. And is there any way I could fix it maybe with? Some cigarettes on the exposed former. I can see maybe I don't know.
lolwut?
Text me and direct with your name and your shipping address 602-312-6504
@@imawesomeyourenot talk to text i fucking hate Google 🤣