@@BudgetRC_Channel With the mic being that close I highly doubt that would be a problem. The real reason why it sounds "bad" is that that is a very cheap driver probably made for guitar amps and repurposed, the suspension and cone look very midrange-esque
I like 10s the most. 10" speaker has the nicest ballance of frequenices followed by 12". I find 15" to big and slow. 8s are fast and responsive but they do not have extended low end.
Yes.. Fender, ampeg, Markbass, GK, peavey, eden. Ect ect all of em like a shootout all with the same head and settings.. (So maybe 8 ohm cabs with a 400-500 watt head to make sure its not over powering the cabs)
My conclusion: a 10" is the perfect balance of thicc sound but not too muddy on the treble. Glad I saw this video, it convinced me that I don't want to carry the extra weight of a 12" for a practice amp.
My own setup is a 4-10 cabinet and a 1-15, and I think you can here why with this demo: the 10s are plenty deep, but they're also punchy. The 15 has a bigger bottom than the 10s, but way less top end. Combine them and you've got the best of both worlds. 😁
I thought the 10 would win, but I give the win to the Eminence 8 for clarity on the first riff and the 12 for tight and punch on the second riff. 12 is the overall winner. I was surprised the 10 was muddy on both riffs. 1st - 12, 2nd - Eminence 8, 3rd - 15, 4th - 10, 5th - Fender 8. I just bought the Rumble 25 from my LD and I'm really happy with it so far.
This is fantastic. The eminence 8"surprised me. The Fender 8" sounded, well, like a starter amp. The 12" also was surprising when compared to the 15", probably due to having more mids. I play a 4x10 and am looking to supplement the bottom end, and in part because I want to run my DOD Meatbox through it. I am leaning toward a 1x15. Suggestions?
Buy Hartke Aluminum cone 15'', gives extra mid while having enough bottom, but as always before buying one go try and see if you love it or no :) cheers
I played on a 2x12 for quite some time and I sold it because I felt it was too "compromisy". Il really like the tightness and punch of 10's. My next rig will be a 4x10 or a 2x10+1x15
I've got a really nice 4 x 10" cabinet, made by Sonic in Wisconsin. But, they also made me a cabinet with an Electro-Voice 18" in it, and that thing will kick you in the chest so hard you feel it to your bones, and when it's loud, inside your body, in your lungs, your heart, your diaphragm. I've actually had a few people say it made them feel like they had to immediately take a dump. Important thing is that these cabinets are the best sounding bass cabs I've ever used. They're paired with an Ampeg SVT 4 Pro, and with an, all original, 83 American Fender P bass, I'd get compliments on the tone from fans of all genres. Occasionally it's run with an Ampeg SVT III ( the one that sounds quite a bit more like the classic Ampeg SVT amps) use the crossover to split high and low into the suitable cab, then use the EQ on each to scoop the mids down on the 4, and push only the mids out of the 3. I like that sound even better. It's got just a touch of Geddy Lee, Chris Squire Rickenbacher in those mids. Got a few other tones I like out of it too.
Lolololol the way you described that made me bust up laughing and also convinced me i think i should buy a 15 inch combo amp so i can really rattle my entire essence.
The 8" really sounds ballsy if you play with a light touch, but it'd probably be waaaaay too harsh if you dug in a little. The 10" mic'd towards the edge of the dust cap sounds like the overall best to me, but they'd all have their uses, for sure. Very useful and informative video. Cheers.
I have a polytone cab from 1981, its 1x15 2x8, the mixture of those works unbelievably well. I'm currently running it with an aguilar ag 700, but I've also used it with an svt cl and an svt vr
Super useful video, thanks! I thought I'd need 15" speakers to move enough air. But it sounded too 'boomy'. The 12" seems to offer the best definition and still bottom end.
Beta 52 mics are quite scooped in the midrange, though, which is where a lot of the nuances of bass tone are. An SM-7B or EV RE20 would probably be better.
Great video. I like how you used the looper to avoid having small differences as you changed speakers. I would have liked to hear a slap tone through this same context.
I loaded my Acoustic B115 MKII with Kappalite 3015LF. Nice smooth frequency response. Nice bass replacement speaker and great for subs. Very versatile driver. Couldn't get the T/S from Acoustic so i measured the cabinet for Vb.
Problem with these kinds of test is, that it‘s done with home usage volume only. This does not say much about playing them loud or outside and together with a band, but when deciding to buy a speaker for practicing at home, it‘s fine. Here the 2x10 comes out quite nice, but my personal favorite for bass is the 15 inches. I play a 15 whenever I can, other sizes can be added. The real fun begins with a 1 15 and a 1 12 or 2x10 in combination. For louder venues a 2x15 and a 4x10 biamped can send you flyin‘!
15 inch speakers rule - this my set up have two bass cabs with 2×15s Electro voice , running through a lexicon prosessor compressed both channels into to a 1974 SUN COLISEUM rated at 900 watts peak power , one of my favorite basses to play through this is my replica 1972 geddy lee japanese fender jazz bass with bad ass bridge replaced stock pick ups seymour duncan hot stacks made for heavier music ,wooooo hooooo can you hear the thunder !!!!
I’ve always been a 10”-guy but recently I had to buy another cab and bought a TC electronic cab with 12” speakers in it. I have to admit they don’t sound that bad, you can clearly hear the difference but I guess what I’ve learned is that different speakers work well with different sounds. Mix and match bass playing brothers and sisters :)
I understand in this video of 2017, the Fender 8" is on the Rumble 15 and the Eminence 8" is on the Rumble 25, correct? Now, in 2020, checking the Fender website, also the Rumble 25 has the same crappy Fender 8"! Please tell me it is not true.
For a very good bass sound, I have used stereo loudspeakers, especially some of the ones from the 70s. they are not made for stage use but have a very good bass sound for home recording.
That comparison was very useful! Thanks. It seems that the biggest difference was that the 8" speakers can't reproduce the lowest frequencies. The 10" seemed almost identical to the 12" and 15" on the E note, but I would be interested in seeing this comparison done on a 5-string bass. Will the 10" speaker cut off frequencies for the B the same way the 8" did for the E? And if so, would that sound good or bad? Too much bottom is just as bad as too much top.
To me, one of 2x10" mic'd isn't like one 10". Did you turn off the horn with the 15" or not? I'm surprised by the 8" on the rumble25: it's not bad at all (for its price). Overall, this vid was a great idea and it's a nice reference.
Thanks for the video! I was looking for a comparison of the 10" and 12" speakers. To my ear the Eminence 10" sounds more balanced than the others. It has the perfect blend of warm lows, mids & highs. The Eminence 12" is a close 2nd but the mid and high frequencies sound a little hollow compared to the 10". The Eminence 15" is just perfect for Reggae or Motown but it gets a little tinny when you play a run in a higher register... but that bottom end will rattle your soul!
10" better quality and punch with plenty of low end. 2 10" have 750 sq cm of surface area while a 15" has 850 sq cm of surface area. This is why a 2x10 cabinet is worth a single 15 basically. But, you will get way better definition and punch with 2 10s over a single 15 and not all the mud.
The 8" sounds bad, then again its only a tiny practice amp 2x10 Punchy with nice clarity 1x12 Similar to the 2x10 with a bit less clarity 1x15 similar to the 1x12 with a bit less clarity Its all down to preference the 2x10, 1x12, 1x15 are all good speakers if you prefer a more boomy sound go for the larger speaker if you favour clarity go for the 2x10. Personally I use the Rumble 500 (2x10) with an additional 1x15 cab and get the best of both worlds
I bought a bass amp with 12” speaker because of this demo. I had previously planned on a 15” An unexpected 2nd place was eminence 8”. The fender 8” sounded like garbage
Smaller lighter dustcaps extend response higher, but also will result in a response hole between the low frequency output of the cone. Large dustcaps as shown in the 10" are seen on pure woofers and do not extend response higher. With very large/heavy caps the high cap mass lowers the driver resonance, usually for subwoofer use.
Initially I liked 12" most, then 2x10", but after a lot of listening, I am starting to like 15" more, and I hope it will be the best companion to my fretless piezo Ibanez SRH505F for a more upright type of sound.
When I tried out the SRH505F music store I played it through a Rumble 200. When I pressed the bright button something magic happened and it ended up coming home with me. The bright button is a 10 k boost. My amp at home has a high frequency of 10k so I knew it would sound just as good there. ua-cam.com/video/r4rQ9CG5YDs/v-deo.html
I actually didn't like the 15 as much as the 12 even the 10. I am wearing decent IEM's right now (10-40Khz) and it almost sounds like the the 15 has a dead spot right in the middle of the tonal range- it most likely needs a tweeter. The 12 has a silky smooth response with just a bit of sparkle. The 10" has decent low end response, but at the expense of the rest of the range. The 8" is "sparkly" but too transparent and thin. The fender just sounds terrible.
I do have a 4x8“ cab (600 watts equipped with celestions) and it sounds wonderful (even the low b!). So the only x-over you‘ll need is for the 1“-driver in the cab!
Gonna start building my first rig. I found a fender 1x15 cab for $200used in excellent condition. I am also pairing a Hartke tx 300 with it. Hopefully it sounds good 🤞 I was also recommended in adding a 2x10 later. Thanks for the upload!
I appreciate the comparison. I would like to see you vary where you place the mic: center, middle and edge of the speaker cone on each. You were very consistent with your placement. Thanks, though.
Only one that sounded bad to my ears was the Fender 8", which sounded boxy and awful, with a really pronounced emphasis in the low mids, right where I'd normally be scooping out. My only gripe with this video is that, because you're using different combos rather than a head with different cabs, you don't know whether the manufacturer has tweaked the EQ and sound of the amp to suit the different power section and speaker combination each model has in the series.
Dustcaps, depending on size, weight and material, will disperse and absorb highend to some degree AND alter the resonance frequency of the speaker slightly. However the type of cone and treatment of the cone will have a larger impact on tone." "
The larger diameter speakers were in a league by themselves. I have a b&w 12 inch sub and it is incredible. Curious to know about tower speaker sizes. 7 inch vs 5 inch. If your Able to pay 4K per tower it will likely have a larger speaker and those that are half the price are closer 5 inch which seems tiny and cheap. Thoughts? Thanks
Just listened with headphones and yeah the 10 inch and 15 inch sounded almost the same, I liked the 10 inch the most. 12 was indeed more scooped. So that said, is 10 inch generally the best along all brands of speakers?
Actually, that was the Rumble 500 with 2x10" speakers. I think that a Rumble 40 with the single 10" Eminence would've been a better speaker vs. speaker comparison. Sure, it has far fewer watts than the 500, but this was a low volume comparison, and I imagine that having two 10" speakers changes the tone even at low volumes. I have the single 8" Eminence Rumble 25 and it sounds good, but I wish I had bought the 40 because it has several more tone shaping options and an XLR jack for going direct into a PA which means that one could possibly gig with it. I think that the three most useful amps are: The 40 for home recording and small acoustic gigs. The 100 for home, rehearsal with a quiet drummer and small gigs with PA support. The 500 for just about any situation, including outdoors, if you add an extension cabinet for the full 500 watts vs. only 350 watts internal, which is good enough by itself for most clubs without PA support. The 15 and 25 only have one use, home practice. The 200 only puts out 140 watts internal. Without another 15" extension cabinet, it would be only marginally more useful than the 100, and the 200 only costs $70 less than a 500, which makes the 500 a much better deal. That's why I say that the 40, 100, and 500 are the best bang for the buck in this lineup.
@The Prezenz I haven't heard it. But, checking the specs reveals that the 800 only puts out 400 watts internal, although it does have a weight advantage of only 29 lbs vs. 36.5 for the Rumble 500. My question is this: Wouldn't it be better to buy a 2x10x700 watt (39 lbs) speaker cabinet for $500 and pair it with a 2x10x 500 watt (36.5 lbs) Rumble for $650? You would spend $300 more than the Rumble 800 ($850) for an $1150, 4x10x500 watt system vs. 2x10×400 watt system for the Rumble 800 by itself. I think that a Rumble 500 with a cabinet would blow away the 800 without a cabinet.
@@skybluemarshall yes of course but I think the extra cabinet is just a matter of taste. I think in terms of volume there's not such a hugh difference between 500 and 800. And I saw another advantage of the 800 as the master volume doesn't affect the XLR output, which is handy although it seems that there are 500 users who don't make a problem of it. Food for thought 🤔
The 210 and the 15 both sound great. Very subtle difference in tone in the mid frequency range. The 210 produces a warm, slightly mid scooped tone, whereas the 15 is not a warm as the 210, but it produces slight upper mid boost that cuts through the mix better than the 210.
While I appreciate anyone doing bass specific videos, speaker size has nothing to do with tone. The differences you are hearing is due to the different speaker design and not the diameter of the driver itself. You could take different 12" drivers from various companies and hear a world of difference in tone, even though the "size" hasn't changed.
Where can I find a video like this playing a riff with drop A tuning on each speaker? I cant find any videos with metal players they all seem to be playing funk or jazz
I did a show where the bassist had 2 ampeg cabs where they were custom loaded with a whole bunch of small speakers ( I can't remember the exact number but that there was a whole lot smaller than the standard 10in). His take was to control the sound near him because he did slap punk stuff a 15in would be like a bomb going off at 10feet away, besides that's what the front of house PA is for. What's everyone take on this Oh the funny part was he'd put one cab on top the other in a "T" shape??
I have a rumble 25. I'm using it to play a Bass Ukulele. I would like to improve it's flat bass sound. Can the 8" speaker be replaced with a larger speaker (10", 12")? If so does the porting have to be increased? If so what speakers can be used? Thanks.
The Fender website lists the Rumble 15, Rumble 25 and Rumble 40 as having "Fender Special Design" speakers and only mentions "Eminence" speakers on the 100 upwards. So I'd like to know which amp am I hearing that's labeled as an "Eminence 8 inch"?
First of all its not the size in general makes speaker sound different, but individual voicing Second, this Fender 8" speaker in the R15 is weak AF and in the R25 just a bit better Third, shouldn't one put a microphone against vent as well?
My iPhone speaker produces more low end than that Fender 8”
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I like the 12, sounded the most consistent across frequencies and notes.
Watch some mid 60s-early 70s videos of bassists playing through Marshall 4x12s. I have heard 2x12 cabs shake a room.
I agree
@@alwaysopen7970 my SVT212AV does. 600w at 4ohm. Does better to me then my 4x10 cab 410HLF. Plus light weight
For me the 12 sounded the most scooped.
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My conclusion : wow, that fender 8" sounds like crap!
The 8" eminence was in a ported cab. The Fender appeared to be in a sealed cab. Not really a fair comparison.
@@BudgetRC_Channel With the mic being that close I highly doubt that would be a problem.
The real reason why it sounds "bad" is that that is a very cheap driver probably made for guitar amps and repurposed, the suspension and cone look very midrange-esque
@@ilpatongi hi! Which one it’s eminence 8? Cherrs!
@@antom93636 It's clearly labeled in the video
It sounds like a paper cup.
Might just be me but the 10 and 15 sounded similar in the low mids and relaxed highs and the 12 had alot more sparkle it seemed
The 12 is also definitely scooped in the mids
Always thought I preferred 15's, but man the 10's sound the best to me here.
The 12s sound the absolute best. This was a great side-by-side, thanks!
I like 10s the most. 10" speaker has the nicest ballance of frequenices followed by 12". I find 15" to big and slow. 8s are fast and responsive but they do not have extended low end.
12 is so awesome. It has punch, tightness, note definition. Great all rounder.
12” has the combination of both 10” and 15” speaker definition.
Thanks! Been waiting for a review like this. Those eminence 10” speakers sound the best to me.
love the 10" and nice demo, i would like to hear a demo of versus of diferents brands using same size speaker like the fender vs ampeg vs orange
Hopefully we can make that happen in the future.
Yes.. Fender, ampeg, Markbass, GK, peavey, eden. Ect ect all of em like a shootout all with the same head and settings.. (So maybe 8 ohm cabs with a 400-500 watt head to make sure its not over powering the cabs)
My conclusion: a 10" is the perfect balance of thicc sound but not too muddy on the treble. Glad I saw this video, it convinced me that I don't want to carry the extra weight of a 12" for a practice amp.
I'm with you.
I think 10" only works for practice, but when it comes to a gig, it doesn't fit, needs more body than the 12" provides
great comparison. I like the15" speaker, it sounds more balanced
My own setup is a 4-10 cabinet and a 1-15, and I think you can here why with this demo: the 10s are plenty deep, but they're also punchy. The 15 has a bigger bottom than the 10s, but way less top end. Combine them and you've got the best of both worlds. 😁
for home recording, a 10" is best unless you want the neighbor come knocking
That's what I run, too. The 10s sound punchy, but the 12s have some growl in the deep end, and the 15s seem to have a lot of growl in the deep end.
I thought the 10 would win, but I give the win to the Eminence 8 for clarity on the first riff and the 12 for tight and punch on the second riff. 12 is the overall winner. I was surprised the 10 was muddy on both riffs. 1st - 12, 2nd - Eminence 8, 3rd - 15, 4th - 10, 5th - Fender 8. I just bought the Rumble 25 from my LD and I'm really happy with it so far.
This is fantastic. The eminence 8"surprised me. The Fender 8" sounded, well, like a starter amp. The 12" also was surprising when compared to the 15", probably due to having more mids. I play a 4x10 and am looking to supplement the bottom end, and in part because I want to run my DOD Meatbox through it. I am leaning toward a 1x15. Suggestions?
Buy Hartke Aluminum cone 15'', gives extra mid while having enough bottom, but as always before buying one go try and see if you love it or no :) cheers
Fender Bassman 115 all the way!
Put your 4x10 on top of the 15 and run them both.
I played on a 2x12 for quite some time and I sold it because I felt it was too "compromisy". Il really like the tightness and punch of 10's. My next rig will be a 4x10 or a 2x10+1x15
The 2-10 Combo w/1-15 ext Cab is perfect. Kicks Ass
I've got a really nice 4 x 10" cabinet, made by Sonic in Wisconsin. But, they also made me a cabinet with an Electro-Voice 18" in it, and that thing will kick you in the chest so hard you feel it to your bones, and when it's loud, inside your body, in your lungs, your heart, your diaphragm.
I've actually had a few people say it made them feel like they had to immediately take a dump.
Important thing is that these cabinets are the best sounding bass cabs I've ever used. They're paired with an Ampeg SVT 4 Pro, and with an, all original, 83 American Fender P bass, I'd get compliments on the tone from fans of all genres.
Occasionally it's run with an Ampeg SVT III ( the one that sounds quite a bit more like the classic Ampeg SVT amps) use the crossover to split high and low into the suitable cab, then use the EQ on each to scoop the mids down on the 4, and push only the mids out of the 3. I like that sound even better. It's got just a touch of Geddy Lee, Chris Squire Rickenbacher in those mids. Got a few other tones I like out of it too.
Metalbass10000 - best post of 2020. 👍
Lolololol the way you described that made me bust up laughing and also convinced me i think i should buy a 15 inch combo amp so i can really rattle my entire essence.
The 8" really sounds ballsy if you play with a light touch, but it'd probably be waaaaay too harsh if you dug in a little. The 10" mic'd towards the edge of the dust cap sounds like the overall best to me, but they'd all have their uses, for sure. Very useful and informative video. Cheers.
I have a polytone cab from 1981, its 1x15 2x8, the mixture of those works unbelievably well. I'm currently running it with an aguilar ag 700, but I've also used it with an svt cl and an svt vr
Super useful video, thanks! I thought I'd need 15" speakers to move enough air. But it sounded too 'boomy'. The 12" seems to offer the best definition and still bottom end.
Beta 52 mics are quite scooped in the midrange, though, which is where a lot of the nuances of bass tone are. An SM-7B or EV RE20 would probably be better.
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Great video. I like how you used the looper to avoid having small differences as you changed speakers. I would have liked to hear a slap tone through this same context.
Thank you for comparison test. To me 10" is the best of both worlds. clarity and fullness.
I loaded my Acoustic B115 MKII with Kappalite 3015LF. Nice smooth frequency response. Nice bass replacement speaker and great for subs. Very versatile driver. Couldn't get the T/S from Acoustic so i measured the cabinet for Vb.
Problem with these kinds of test is, that it‘s done with home usage volume only. This does not say much about playing them loud or outside and together with a band, but when deciding to buy a speaker for practicing at home, it‘s fine. Here the 2x10 comes out quite nice, but my personal favorite for bass is the 15 inches. I play a 15 whenever I can, other sizes can be added. The real fun begins with a 1 15 and a 1 12 or 2x10 in combination. For louder venues a 2x15 and a 4x10 biamped can send you flyin‘!
Eminence 10": 0:59
Eminence 15": 1:10
Eminence 12": 1:22
Eminence 8": 1:33
-Joke- Fender 8": 1:38
...that Fender 8" , surprised me with its pronounced cut. Have to hear these in a simple mix. Thanks for the vid.
Ian Tolmay such a terrible tone nasal and boomy at the same time.
Sad nasal non ported cab sound...
My favorite, was The 10" Eminence.. ^^ I Think it has a deepest sound.
The 12 sounds best tonally but there's nothing quite like the responsiveness and surprising amount of tight bass with multiple 10s
Would be really great to see more of these. Maybe GK, Aguilar, Ampeg, Markbass. I'm sure have all of those just sitting around, right?
15 inch speakers rule - this my set up have two bass cabs with 2×15s Electro voice , running through a lexicon prosessor compressed both channels into to a 1974 SUN COLISEUM rated at 900 watts peak power , one of my favorite basses to play through this is my replica 1972 geddy lee japanese fender jazz bass with bad ass bridge replaced stock pick ups seymour duncan hot stacks made for heavier music ,wooooo hooooo can you hear the thunder !!!!
I bet that sounds seriously insane!
Do you think 2 peavey 1x15bx cabs. 1 black widow and one scorpion, would sound decent?
I’ve always been a 10”-guy but recently I had to buy another cab and bought a TC electronic cab with 12” speakers in it. I have to admit they don’t sound that bad, you can clearly hear the difference but I guess what I’ve learned is that different speakers work well with different sounds. Mix and match bass playing brothers and sisters :)
I understand in this video of 2017, the Fender 8" is on the Rumble 15 and the Eminence 8" is on the Rumble 25, correct?
Now, in 2020, checking the Fender website, also the Rumble 25 has the same crappy Fender 8"!
Please tell me it is not true.
Wow the eminence 8 sounds so much better than the 8 fender to me. The eminence 10 is my favourite of the bunch.
The Fender 8 sounds like a milk carton.
@@MrClassicmetal Worst ever. Why is Fender making such crap 🙁
@@vanderHoffTeachings I'd skip that thing and go for a Hartke.
For a very good bass sound, I have used stereo loudspeakers, especially some of the ones from the 70s. they are not made for stage use but have a very good bass sound for home recording.
That comparison was very useful! Thanks.
It seems that the biggest difference was that the 8" speakers can't reproduce the lowest frequencies. The 10" seemed almost identical to the 12" and 15" on the E note, but I would be interested in seeing this comparison done on a 5-string bass. Will the 10" speaker cut off frequencies for the B the same way the 8" did for the E?
And if so, would that sound good or bad? Too much bottom is just as bad as too much top.
P-bass + 15 is the perfect match!
To me, one of 2x10" mic'd isn't like one 10". Did you turn off the horn with the 15" or not? I'm surprised by the 8" on the rumble25: it's not bad at all (for its price).
Overall, this vid was a great idea and it's a nice reference.
Would love to hear that low-end Rumble 15 woofer pushed to the max.
As it should be.
Thanks for the video! I was looking for a comparison of the 10" and 12" speakers. To my ear the Eminence 10" sounds more balanced than the others. It has the perfect blend of warm lows, mids & highs. The Eminence 12" is a close 2nd but the mid and high frequencies sound a little hollow compared to the 10". The Eminence 15" is just perfect for Reggae or Motown but it gets a little tinny when you play a run in a higher register... but that bottom end will rattle your soul!
10" better quality and punch with plenty of low end. 2 10" have 750 sq cm of surface area while a 15" has 850 sq cm of surface area. This is why a 2x10 cabinet is worth a single 15 basically. But, you will get way better definition and punch with 2 10s over a single 15 and not all the mud.
I have 2/10s with a 1/15 running my rumble 500 v3 head✊ best of both worlds 🎸
The 8" sounds bad, then again its only a tiny practice amp
2x10 Punchy with nice clarity
1x12 Similar to the 2x10 with a bit less clarity
1x15 similar to the 1x12 with a bit less clarity
Its all down to preference the 2x10, 1x12, 1x15 are all good speakers if you prefer a more boomy sound go for the larger speaker if you favour clarity go for the 2x10.
Personally I use the Rumble 500 (2x10) with an additional 1x15 cab and get the best of both worlds
I like your combo. I have the rumble 500 also and I'm looking for a 15" to add to give me that bottom end. What is your rig setup?
I like the Eminence 8", 10" and 15", not so much the 12". Fender 8" is not mine.
Cool video Nick. Part 2 of this video should include a couple slap riffs. Great work as always.
I bought a bass amp with 12” speaker because of this demo. I had previously planned on a 15”
An unexpected 2nd place was eminence 8”.
The fender 8” sounded like garbage
The eminence 8” sounds so much better than the fender 8", but, to me, hollow compared to the larger speakers.
Smaller lighter dustcaps extend response higher, but also will result in a response hole between the low frequency output of the cone. Large dustcaps as shown in the 10" are seen on pure woofers and do not extend response higher. With very large/heavy caps the high cap mass lowers the driver resonance, usually for subwoofer use.
Initially I liked 12" most, then 2x10", but after a lot of listening, I am starting to like 15" more, and I hope it will be the best companion to my fretless piezo Ibanez SRH505F for a more upright type of sound.
When I tried out the SRH505F music store I played it through a Rumble 200. When I pressed the bright button something magic happened and it ended up coming home with me. The bright button is a 10 k boost. My amp at home has a high frequency of 10k so I knew it would sound just as good there. ua-cam.com/video/r4rQ9CG5YDs/v-deo.html
10 sounds best to me, very crisp and punchy.
The 2x10 combo is king.
10" are the best solid tone for me.
Me too and I agree with you
Thank you for doing this! Super helpful.
Side note: that PJ just popped up in my local GC and I fell in love with it.
You’re welcome! Oh, nice! Get it! Then put the EMG GZR set in it and you’ll be rocking! Especially if you run it into a Darkglass Alpha Omega. ;)
Careful with those MIM's: they sound great, but the fret sprouting in cold, dry weather is ridiculous.
I actually didn't like the 15 as much as the 12 even the 10.
I am wearing decent IEM's right now (10-40Khz) and it almost sounds like the the 15 has a dead spot right in the middle of the tonal range- it most likely needs a tweeter.
The 12 has a silky smooth response with just a bit of sparkle. The 10" has decent low end response, but at the expense of the rest of the range. The 8" is "sparkly" but too transparent and thin. The fender just sounds terrible.
10 and 12" sound better to me. 15", not so much. 8" ones have to be combined with others and x-overs so that they can be dedicated to mids.
I do have a 4x8“ cab (600 watts equipped with celestions) and it sounds wonderful (even the low b!). So the only x-over you‘ll need is for the 1“-driver in the cab!
What an excellent comparison! Definitely helps to choose a bass cabinet. Thx for all the effort!
Gonna start building my first rig.
I found a fender 1x15 cab for $200used in excellent condition. I am also pairing a Hartke tx 300 with it. Hopefully it sounds good 🤞
I was also recommended in adding a 2x10 later.
Thanks for the upload!
Nice punchy sound from the ten
I remember the old days when I would play a 4x12 box, front ported. They had a nice sound
That must have been long ago...to lift a (classic) 4x12 NOW I'd need one of those compressed gas forklifts!
I appreciate the comparison. I would like to see you vary where you place the mic: center, middle and edge of the speaker cone on each. You were very consistent with your placement. Thanks, though.
Only one that sounded bad to my ears was the Fender 8", which sounded boxy and awful, with a really pronounced emphasis in the low mids, right where I'd normally be scooping out. My only gripe with this video is that, because you're using different combos rather than a head with different cabs, you don't know whether the manufacturer has tweaked the EQ and sound of the amp to suit the different power section and speaker combination each model has in the series.
This is awesome. Keep doing stuff like this.
the 10's sound the best to me here
I like the 12. the Fender 8 was bad
best to stand back and let the sound form together, using the port on a well designed cabinet. a 8x10 is a bit clangy at 1ft, but at 20ft it is heaven
Dustcaps, depending on size, weight and material, will disperse and absorb highend to some degree AND alter the resonance frequency of the speaker slightly. However the type of cone and treatment of the cone will have a larger impact on tone."
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Blind, I liked the centered mic on the 12. Saw it was my amp! :D
The larger diameter speakers were in a league by themselves. I have a b&w 12 inch sub and it is incredible. Curious to know about tower speaker sizes. 7 inch vs 5 inch. If your Able to pay 4K per tower it will likely have a larger speaker and those that are half the price are closer 5 inch which seems tiny and cheap. Thoughts? Thanks
I'm going to need an Eminence 4-way, with highpass filter for the 8". Every one of those speakers Eminence sounded good in it's own way. :)
Should I keep my head almost pressed against the speaker when I play?
Those 10 in made my car rattle compared to all the other sizes
The fender 8 sounded terrible
10 sound is very nice
I think overall the 12” sounds the best to me.
Ah yes, the fender 8"... sounds like my childhood
1:05 10inch 1:22 12inch
Just listened with headphones and yeah the 10 inch and 15 inch sounded almost the same, I liked the 10 inch the most. 12 was indeed more scooped.
So that said, is 10 inch generally the best along all brands of speakers?
Actually, that was the Rumble 500 with 2x10" speakers. I think that a Rumble 40 with the single 10" Eminence would've been a better speaker vs. speaker comparison. Sure, it has far fewer watts than the 500, but this was a low volume comparison, and I imagine that having two 10" speakers changes the tone even at low volumes.
I have the single 8" Eminence Rumble 25 and it sounds good, but I wish I had bought the 40 because it has several more tone shaping options and an XLR jack for going direct into a PA which means that one could possibly gig with it.
I think that the three most useful amps are: The 40 for home recording and small acoustic gigs. The 100 for home, rehearsal with a quiet drummer and small gigs with PA support. The 500 for just about any situation, including outdoors, if you add an extension cabinet for the full 500 watts vs. only 350 watts internal, which is good enough by itself for most clubs without PA support.
The 15 and 25 only have one use, home practice. The 200 only puts out 140 watts internal. Without another 15" extension cabinet, it would be only marginally more useful than the 100, and the 200 only costs $70 less than a 500, which makes the 500 a much better deal.
That's why I say that the 40, 100, and 500 are the best bang for the buck in this lineup.
@@skybluemarshall thank you very much for your reply. What's your thought on the new 800? (Not the stage 800) in comparison with 500?
@The Prezenz I haven't heard it. But, checking the specs reveals that the 800 only puts out 400 watts internal, although it does have a weight advantage of only 29 lbs vs. 36.5 for the Rumble 500.
My question is this: Wouldn't it be better to buy a 2x10x700 watt (39 lbs) speaker cabinet for $500 and pair it with a 2x10x 500 watt (36.5 lbs) Rumble for $650?
You would spend $300 more than the Rumble 800 ($850) for an $1150, 4x10x500 watt system vs. 2x10×400 watt system for the Rumble 800 by itself. I think that a Rumble 500 with a cabinet would blow away the 800 without a cabinet.
@@skybluemarshall yes of course but I think the extra cabinet is just a matter of taste. I think in terms of volume there's not such a hugh difference between 500 and 800. And I saw another advantage of the 800 as the master volume doesn't affect the XLR output, which is handy although it seems that there are 500 users who don't make a problem of it. Food for thought 🤔
15's Rule! Best pronounced Bass, Low Mids and rounded Treble.
Isaiah Johnson I actually thought it sounds like it can easily get muddy.
I use 10 and 15 biamped, the 12 is for my slight distortion channel.
15" rules!!!
Great video.can You update it with let's Say an sm57 or a vocal mic? A bass drum microphone has a VERY limited frecuency response
The 10 inches are the bomb.
there is three models of 15" eminence bass speakers , which one is installed in the Rumble ?
The 210 and the 15 both sound great. Very subtle difference in tone in the mid frequency range. The 210 produces a warm, slightly mid scooped tone, whereas the 15 is not a warm as the 210, but it produces slight upper mid boost that cuts through the mix better than the 210.
While I appreciate anyone doing bass specific videos, speaker size has nothing to do with tone. The differences you are hearing is due to the different speaker design and not the diameter of the driver itself. You could take different 12" drivers from various companies and hear a world of difference in tone, even though the "size" hasn't changed.
10x8" is a bad ass cab if you've ever heard one.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes smaller speakers
Is the microphone already connect to laptop or pc?
I'm considering buying Fender Rumble 40. It has 10" speaker Fender Special Designed. Is it worse or the same as Eminence 10"?
Where can I find a video like this playing a riff with drop A tuning on each speaker? I cant find any videos with metal players they all seem to be playing funk or jazz
Loved the 12
I have a rumble 15. Do you think if i put in an Eminence Alpha 8A, it would sound as good (at high volume) as the 25 does here?
I did a show where the bassist had 2 ampeg cabs where they were custom loaded with a whole bunch of small speakers ( I can't remember the exact number but that there was a whole lot smaller than the standard 10in). His take was to control the sound near him because he did slap punk stuff a 15in would be like a bomb going off at 10feet away, besides that's what the front of house PA is for. What's everyone take on this
Oh the funny part was he'd put one cab on top the other in a "T" shape??
He was probably on drugs
I have a rumble 25. I'm using it to play a Bass Ukulele. I would like to improve it's flat bass sound. Can the 8" speaker be replaced with a larger speaker (10", 12")? If so does the porting have to be increased? If so what speakers can be used? Thanks.
Why does the 10 sound sweeter and deeper than the 12 and 15 ?
The Fender website lists the Rumble 15, Rumble 25 and Rumble 40 as having "Fender Special Design" speakers and only mentions "Eminence" speakers on the 100 upwards. So I'd like to know which amp am I hearing that's labeled as an "Eminence 8 inch"?
They might have changed since this video was shot.
this is cool, helps you decide on cab choices, now i wish someone made a cab with 12" with 2-8" speakers in it! lol
15" sounds the most balanced with low to high strings, nice and full bottom.
the best speaker...Eminence 10 p
Which amp has the eminence 8 inch?
First of all its not the size in general makes speaker sound different, but individual voicing
Second, this Fender 8" speaker in the R15 is weak AF and in the R25 just a bit better
Third, shouldn't one put a microphone against vent as well?
15's when mic'ed up and played properly are not muddy, they bring those cool blue bass frequencies that we the people want SON
Why does the 10” sound pretty similar to the 15”? Could it be because you used a 2x10 instead of a 1x10? Probably.