live in nc and took a ride in the meat wagon due to heat exhaustion at my then factory job. it put me in the hole bad as the ride alone was 4200$ and on top of it had to pay the hospital for treatment and work insurance didn't want to cover it. On the flip side if you're in a accident and cop offers to call a meat wagon for you take it as the state will pay for the meat wagon ride.
Wasn't work related injury thus they weren't liable for it per the lawyer that talked to me. My state has I guess you can call it a loophole but I was sick at the time and worked two jobs one being construction and the factory workplace was well ventilated and had fans going so they weren't liable.
@@73delgado Orrrr the workplace wasn't liable and the worker's comp only covered work related injuries and since my heat exhaustion was related to other factors they weren't liable. Believe me I talked to lawyers beforehand cause having to eat almost 10k in medical debt hurt at the time. But I explained above I simply bit off more than I could chew at the time working 2 jobs and being sick.
@@ChristianStouttriage doctors will deny care that's genuinely a waste of time and money and will not improve the patient's condition at all. however, not all emergencies are obviously immediately visible, and that's one of the challenges triage doctors have to contend with in their prioritization of patients. for one common example, strokes can kill people in hours, but often have few externally observable symptoms. so unfortunately, triage has to process everyone. they can refuse to recommend further treatment past triage when it's not medically necessary, tho, and that's exactly how they handle those cases.
It's called triage, and is part of Emergency medicine. Like you actually need to call and make the correct appointment with the right type of doctor actually specialized on issues if it's not an emergency. Since kids and old people are the most likely to die, they get seen first. Emergency care prioritizes based on how close to death you are. Urgent care is also a lot cheaper and faster than emergency. Only go to the ER if it's an emergency.
Canada's healthcare system is worse: wait times are 10x as long and you'd be lucky if they don't misdiagnose you. Recently a man lost his life because of a misdiagnosis regarding an underlying heart condition (the doc thought it was a panic attack - turned out to be an aortic aneurysm).
Fun fact: You can go to jail for up to a year in Germany if you don't call an ambulance for a person in need of one (heart attack is probably the most obvious "call an ambulance immediately" moment apart from straight up getting shot). Anyone who “fails to provide assistance in the event of accidents or common danger or need, although this is necessary and reasonable under the circumstances, in particular without considerable risk to himself and without violating other important duties” is liable to prosecution. It always blows my mind that Americans can't call an ambulance and have to gamble with their health for monetary reasons.
You basically get what you pay for. We also produce most of the medical innovation because medical care is private, the tradeoff is that it's a bit expensive. On the plus side, no beurocrat can decide you don't need treatment.
@@matthewrawlings1284 You do know that insurance can just choose to deny a claim as unnecessary. You are then stuck with the 5k+ dollar bill unless you fight insurance. Medicare is not private and is infinitely better than private insurance who have a legal obligation to make shareholders money.
@matthewrawlings1284 this resoning is false. Innovation is based on how much resources are spent on the actual innovation (the us companies spends alot on marketing/adverts). The reason us healthcare is expensive is because of artificial legal barriers, and focusing too much on fluff rather than substance (basically the same problem as US universities). The us health-care system is best descrided as mixed market system, it borrows the worst aspect of public healthcare (a lot of administrative costs and inefficiencies, and lack of transparent price signals) and private Healthcare (having to pay money out of pocket, focusing too much on fluff, lower accessibility). Singapore does a better job of private Healthcare. They try to keep the cost of rooms (the thing that contributes to the largest expense in us hospitals) low by focusing only on the essentials, they are relatively transparent about the cost of services (which allows people to prepare ahead of time), and relying on heath savings accounts instead of mandatory insurance schemes (mandatory insurance schemes combined with lack of price transparency allows hospitals to get away with drastically inflated prices).
this is the dumbest thing I've seen lol Medicare being better than private is peak ignorance. Want to know how i know? because my family had it and nothing would ever get done with medicare, worse is that when a doctor found out we had medicare we got treated worse because of it. my mother almost died several times because of medicare not helping and caused her to get a sepsis infection one time because they wouldn't finish surgery on her which caused the wounds THEY created to get infected. but go off on how much better Medicare is.😬
Uber should hire its own registered ambulance drivers with an emergency option in the app with how common this has become in America, or the US GOV could get its shit together... probably quicker to just make an app, knowing the Gov they'd pass anti ambulance app bills before they pass a bill to make ambulances free/cheap like every other country.
The entire point of an emergency room is to get the patient stable to be seen by a 2nd line doctor later. Thats the reason why they kick them out after they've determined that they're not going to die after leaving. If it was an actual serious condition someone showed up with they'd then get admitted to the general hospital after being stabilized
2 hours? shit i was in for 2 DAYS after i passed out at the dentist. just to run two whole tests on me. wouldve been a 26 thousand dollar bill without insurance. was still like 5 grand tho. they overcharge for everything because theyre charging an insurance company most of the time so they can get away with that shit.
A longtime UK friend of mine who works at the NHS says it's pretty good at treating stuff like that, but it's really bad at appointments for mental health care. You ever wonder why so many leftists in the UK are nutjobs?
the C*nadian system was stretched to the breaking point before the pandemic and ~1 million new "temporary foreign workers". Shit's rough out here, I'm on year 5 of waiting for a neurologist - luckily I could afford treatment overseas.
just had an american healthcare moment right now, my vision insurance has gotten worse and where I was able to get 2 pairs of solid glasses I was only able to get a pair for double the price.
It works so long as you expect to never go back to that doctor/office, AND that doctor/office isn't in a big network (like Yale New Haven or Hartford Health Care in Connecticut), AND you're fine with your credit score tanking. Or if you're not White.
UA-cam decided it couldn't handle what I was typing previously so I'll just say this: US health care is getting care you need in decent time at high cost. Everywhere else that has 'good healthcare' might just make you an appointment at a later date when they can see you, even if that means having to do undue harm upon you. Case in point: A Canadian friend of mine, now US citizen, once broke his arm and couldn't be seen by a physician for several weeks. They had to re-break his arm to set the bones correctly because they had fused poorly in the interim timeframe. But hey, at least "he didn't have to pay for it."
I won’t deny that American healthcare is expensive, but I hate people who think the solution is to just vote the right way until we “do what the Europeans do”. Which in practice just means empowering the Federal government so that they’ll pay for everything only for them to regulate it into Oblivion. What works in one country won’t necessarily work in another. I especially don’t want to do what the UK does since the way they’re going they’re probably going to end up in a situation like “oh I’m sorry, you made a racist joke online, we cannot pay for your treatment at this time.”
No politician has suggested we do what the UK does (Beveridge Health Model) since the 1940's when Truman was president. The only suggestions for healthcare reform so far have been effectively trying to copy what the Netherlands does (which is all private- Insurers and healthcare providers), or what Canada does (Medicare for All).
@@longiusaescius2537 Most studies tend to place Netherlands on the higher end as far as Europe goes. Consistently ranks high. Although it should be worth saying that it tends to be quite a bit different than models like Canada or UK- i.e. instead of being administered through the gov, it is a market-based solution: multipayer and private instead of single-payer and public.
Listen if you work online just leave america instead of bltching about healthcare. You could live so good in mexico earning dollars and you don't have to put up with our free healthcare.
American health care is top tier. If you can afford it. Lumi seems to forget as long as you're working you are usually provided health insurance by your employer. If the guy and the wife are working and the guy has two kids, it's pretty obvious they're doing okay. Decent health insurance can blunt the cost of health care but employers obviously cheap out on it depending on who the employer is. But I can only imagine the guy is working at a higher end company that provides health care that doesn't have stupid deductibles and sht. If you want to fix health care, the absolute right thing to do is to completely abolish health insurance. Hopefully RFK will look into the kind of dumb sht the health insurance industry has gotten us into, because a nation that's always sick is obviously way more vulnerable as a nation state than a nation that is healthy. MAHA. Also, my doctor has NEVER told me not to call the ambulance. They're like the first thing they tell you to call if you are suspecting anything like a heart attack. Do you know how much liability a doc will have if they said something stupid like "don't call an ambulance" when you're passed out like that guy lol Also it sounds like Lumi is living in a metropolitan area... so of course it's gonna be always crowded. Can you imagine how many kids in the South / West side of Chicago (read: the violent parts) get shot on the weekly and end up crowding the hospitals because of it?
There's a lot wrong with what you have said, as I work in the industry, but I'm not going to get into it all. I'll just take down the ambulance point. Most insurance ends up not covering the ride because it turns out "it wasn't medically necessary." Basically, if the diagnosis from the hospital is you weren't at all at risk of dying, then the claim gets rejected. That's all I will say and will not respond further because I grow weary of the topic constantly. Good day.
I mean, as long as you can afford it, you can buy great healthcare in pretty much any part of the globe where civilisation reaches. The problem is that not even Americans can easily afford basic American healthcare. And I totally agree on the fix, though sincerely doubt in possibly of it happening.
@@nolongerapersonLmfao, nobody cares that you think your opinion is so important but won't even defend it. People around the world come to the USA to actually get healthcare. We have the best doctors, the best scientists, the best schools, the best equipment and the best training. Now sneed in silence or defend your position.
It's cute how the Russian accent comes out when she's flustered. 😍
Russian Jew oy vey
@@interests3279Her family lost land during the reds taking over the nation.
Wait, she’s Russian!?
@@interests3279 No she is not.
@@Phantomcrustacean her family root is of Soviet escapee
Lumi is so nice, I agree with her...
If someone need hospital, you drop shit and take them there...
live in nc and took a ride in the meat wagon due to heat exhaustion at my then factory job. it put me in the hole bad as the ride alone was 4200$ and on top of it had to pay the hospital for treatment and work insurance didn't want to cover it. On the flip side if you're in a accident and cop offers to call a meat wagon for you take it as the state will pay for the meat wagon ride.
Why did you have to pay for your ambulance? Your employer should have covered everything. You got screwed.
There is absolutely no way you should be paying for an ambulance from a work related injury, you should have gotten a lawyer
@anheroprime facts honestly I think this guy must be making it up because I have a hard time believing anyone could be this dumb.
Wasn't work related injury thus they weren't liable for it per the lawyer that talked to me. My state has I guess you can call it a loophole but I was sick at the time and worked two jobs one being construction and the factory workplace was well ventilated and had fans going so they weren't liable.
@@73delgado Orrrr the workplace wasn't liable and the worker's comp only covered work related injuries and since my heat exhaustion was related to other factors they weren't liable. Believe me I talked to lawyers beforehand cause having to eat almost 10k in medical debt hurt at the time. But I explained above I simply bit off more than I could chew at the time working 2 jobs and being sick.
Emergency care is bad because people who could probably go to general practice or urgent care go straight to emergent
Real. Emergency care providers would be so much cheaper if they weren't legally forbidden from denying care to people clearly not in an emergency.
...especially people whose only illness is withdrawal and just want to get pills.
and then they don't pay the bill
They're mostly Criminal Aliens. They can't legally get healthcare so they just go to the ER and don't pay the bill.
@@ChristianStouttriage doctors will deny care that's genuinely a waste of time and money and will not improve the patient's condition at all.
however, not all emergencies are obviously immediately visible, and that's one of the challenges triage doctors have to contend with in their prioritization of patients. for one common example, strokes can kill people in hours, but often have few externally observable symptoms.
so unfortunately, triage has to process everyone. they can refuse to recommend further treatment past triage when it's not medically necessary, tho, and that's exactly how they handle those cases.
It's called triage, and is part of Emergency medicine. Like you actually need to call and make the correct appointment with the right type of doctor actually specialized on issues if it's not an emergency. Since kids and old people are the most likely to die, they get seen first. Emergency care prioritizes based on how close to death you are.
Urgent care is also a lot cheaper and faster than emergency. Only go to the ER if it's an emergency.
I start with the assumption that people in the emergency waiting room wouldn't be there unless they thought it was an emergency.
@ have you ever been to an emergency room? You’d realize quickly how wrong that is.
Proud of Lumi for being a hero for that family. Sucks that it happened in the US...
Canada's healthcare system is worse: wait times are 10x as long and you'd be lucky if they don't misdiagnose you. Recently a man lost his life because of a misdiagnosis regarding an underlying heart condition (the doc thought it was a panic attack - turned out to be an aortic aneurysm).
As a former Uber Driver, I have driven many people to the hospital. Luckily none involved bullets or knives.
Fun fact: You can go to jail for up to a year in Germany if you don't call an ambulance for a person in need of one (heart attack is probably the most obvious "call an ambulance immediately" moment apart from straight up getting shot).
Anyone who “fails to provide assistance in the event of accidents or common danger or need, although this is necessary and reasonable under the circumstances, in particular without considerable risk to himself and without violating other important duties” is liable to prosecution.
It always blows my mind that Americans can't call an ambulance and have to gamble with their health for monetary reasons.
You basically get what you pay for. We also produce most of the medical innovation because medical care is private, the tradeoff is that it's a bit expensive. On the plus side, no beurocrat can decide you don't need treatment.
@@matthewrawlings1284 You do know that insurance can just choose to deny a claim as unnecessary. You are then stuck with the 5k+ dollar bill unless you fight insurance. Medicare is not private and is infinitely better than private insurance who have a legal obligation to make shareholders money.
@matthewrawlings1284 this resoning is false. Innovation is based on how much resources are spent on the actual innovation (the us companies spends alot on marketing/adverts).
The reason us healthcare is expensive is because of artificial legal barriers, and focusing too much on fluff rather than substance (basically the same problem as US universities). The us health-care system is best descrided as mixed market system, it borrows the worst aspect of public healthcare (a lot of administrative costs and inefficiencies, and lack of transparent price signals) and private Healthcare (having to pay money out of pocket, focusing too much on fluff, lower accessibility).
Singapore does a better job of private Healthcare. They try to keep the cost of rooms (the thing that contributes to the largest expense in us hospitals) low by focusing only on the essentials, they are relatively transparent about the cost of services (which allows people to prepare ahead of time), and relying on heath savings accounts instead of mandatory insurance schemes (mandatory insurance schemes combined with lack of price transparency allows hospitals to get away with drastically inflated prices).
@@matthewrawlings1284 it us sad that you believe that, I hope you never have to experience the USA system
this is the dumbest thing I've seen lol Medicare being better than private is peak ignorance. Want to know how i know?
because my family had it and nothing would ever get done with medicare, worse is that when a doctor found out we had medicare we got treated worse because of it. my mother almost died several times because of medicare not helping and caused her to get a sepsis infection one time because they wouldn't finish surgery on her which caused the wounds THEY created to get infected.
but go off on how much better Medicare is.😬
Uber should hire its own registered ambulance drivers with an emergency option in the app with how common this has become in America, or the US GOV could get its shit together... probably quicker to just make an app, knowing the Gov they'd pass anti ambulance app bills before they pass a bill to make ambulances free/cheap like every other country.
The entire point of an emergency room is to get the patient stable to be seen by a 2nd line doctor later. Thats the reason why they kick them out after they've determined that they're not going to die after leaving. If it was an actual serious condition someone showed up with they'd then get admitted to the general hospital after being stabilized
Kaneko Heromi, the savior we need
Guys, keep yourself safe. the Hospital situation is crazy
2 hours? shit i was in for 2 DAYS after i passed out at the dentist. just to run two whole tests on me. wouldve been a 26 thousand dollar bill without insurance. was still like 5 grand tho. they overcharge for everything because theyre charging an insurance company most of the time so they can get away with that shit.
They didn't give me an option to take myself to the hospital... but then again, I was having a stroke... no joke lol
Cancer? LMAO sit in the waiting room for 10+ hrs.
In Russia ambulance is free so some people just abuse it.
my Canadian friend broke his leg 18 months ago, his appointment to set it is next week
but hey, at least it's "free"
A longtime UK friend of mine who works at the NHS says it's pretty good at treating stuff like that, but it's really bad at appointments for mental health care.
You ever wonder why so many leftists in the UK are nutjobs?
Imagine waiting that long just to be asked “have you tried killing yourself?” Insane work, great job Canada!
the C*nadian system was stretched to the breaking point before the pandemic and ~1 million new "temporary foreign workers". Shit's rough out here, I'm on year 5 of waiting for a neurologist - luckily I could afford treatment overseas.
Literally worse than Mexico
We're having a lot of problems right now. All the foreign workers, the pandemic response, brain drain to the US. We've lost a lot of qualified people.
I thought it was $600 Dollars😢😢😢 Holy hell why is help so expensive???
just had an american healthcare moment right now, my vision insurance has gotten worse and where I was able to get 2 pairs of solid glasses I was only able to get a pair for double the price.
Where the hell does she live where an ambulance costs 5000? The median price seems to be listed around 1k.
narrative inflation
Amongst the few times I'm glad I'm from Romania
What? You guys dont have phones?
American lifehack: Just get the treatment and never pay the bill. It's what the migrants do.
Not everyone is "poor" or foreign looking enough for that privilage...
That's what I've been doing. Debt collectors can't track me down.
It works so long as you expect to never go back to that doctor/office, AND that doctor/office isn't in a big network (like Yale New Haven or Hartford Health Care in Connecticut), AND you're fine with your credit score tanking.
Or if you're not White.
@@KNJfan Tell that to Pippa.
Legally hospitals cannot sue you if you make a good faith effort to pay. That might be as little as $10 per month.
Man, USA sucks. I'm pretty sure we're treading the same path here, but at least it will take a while to get to that level.
most universals healthcare systems are currently failing it's just unsustainable
Thanks Obamacare
Hussein
Holy hell, and people say that Canadian healthcare suck?
UA-cam decided it couldn't handle what I was typing previously so I'll just say this: US health care is getting care you need in decent time at high cost. Everywhere else that has 'good healthcare' might just make you an appointment at a later date when they can see you, even if that means having to do undue harm upon you. Case in point: A Canadian friend of mine, now US citizen, once broke his arm and couldn't be seen by a physician for several weeks. They had to re-break his arm to set the bones correctly because they had fused poorly in the interim timeframe. But hey, at least "he didn't have to pay for it."
I won’t deny that American healthcare is expensive, but I hate people who think the solution is to just vote the right way until we “do what the Europeans do”. Which in practice just means empowering the Federal government so that they’ll pay for everything only for them to regulate it into Oblivion. What works in one country won’t necessarily work in another. I especially don’t want to do what the UK does since the way they’re going they’re probably going to end up in a situation like “oh I’m sorry, you made a racist joke online, we cannot pay for your treatment at this time.”
No politician has suggested we do what the UK does (Beveridge Health Model) since the 1940's when Truman was president. The only suggestions for healthcare reform so far have been effectively trying to copy what the Netherlands does (which is all private- Insurers and healthcare providers), or what Canada does (Medicare for All).
@Wolf.81 Canada's is trash idk the Netherlands but Singapore is better and I'm still interested in Lodge Practice or pre 1970s Spain
@@longiusaescius2537 Most studies tend to place Netherlands on the higher end as far as Europe goes. Consistently ranks high. Although it should be worth saying that it tends to be quite a bit different than models like Canada or UK- i.e. instead of being administered through the gov, it is a market-based solution: multipayer and private instead of single-payer and public.
Listen if you work online just leave america instead of bltching about healthcare. You could live so good in mexico earning dollars and you don't have to put up with our free healthcare.
American health care is top tier. If you can afford it. Lumi seems to forget as long as you're working you are usually provided health insurance by your employer. If the guy and the wife are working and the guy has two kids, it's pretty obvious they're doing okay. Decent health insurance can blunt the cost of health care but employers obviously cheap out on it depending on who the employer is. But I can only imagine the guy is working at a higher end company that provides health care that doesn't have stupid deductibles and sht.
If you want to fix health care, the absolute right thing to do is to completely abolish health insurance. Hopefully RFK will look into the kind of dumb sht the health insurance industry has gotten us into, because a nation that's always sick is obviously way more vulnerable as a nation state than a nation that is healthy. MAHA.
Also, my doctor has NEVER told me not to call the ambulance. They're like the first thing they tell you to call if you are suspecting anything like a heart attack. Do you know how much liability a doc will have if they said something stupid like "don't call an ambulance" when you're passed out like that guy lol
Also it sounds like Lumi is living in a metropolitan area... so of course it's gonna be always crowded. Can you imagine how many kids in the South / West side of Chicago (read: the violent parts) get shot on the weekly and end up crowding the hospitals because of it?
There's a lot wrong with what you have said, as I work in the industry, but I'm not going to get into it all. I'll just take down the ambulance point. Most insurance ends up not covering the ride because it turns out "it wasn't medically necessary."
Basically, if the diagnosis from the hospital is you weren't at all at risk of dying, then the claim gets rejected.
That's all I will say and will not respond further because I grow weary of the topic constantly. Good day.
I mean, as long as you can afford it, you can buy great healthcare in pretty much any part of the globe where civilisation reaches.
The problem is that not even Americans can easily afford basic American healthcare.
And I totally agree on the fix, though sincerely doubt in possibly of it happening.
@@nolongerapersonLmfao, nobody cares that you think your opinion is so important but won't even defend it.
People around the world come to the USA to actually get healthcare. We have the best doctors, the best scientists, the best schools, the best equipment and the best training. Now sneed in silence or defend your position.
me omw paying 2k for my top tier EKG
@@bort6414 There's nothing to defend. It's not an opinion. Have a good one. :)
That’s the point, don’t waste ambulances if your life doesn’t depend on it. It’s a resource
Yes because the rando having a medical episode can definitely accurately deduce if they are in life threatening danger or not.
As someone who works at a hospital in Germany, I really do feel bad for Americans...
We do not envy Germany, believe it or not.
Americans are getting the healthcare they deserve. I wouldn't worry about them.
They get the healthcare they deserve , the richest country in the world has no excuses .