Rings of Power S1 E6 - Udûn Amazon, 2022 Developed by: John D. Payne Patrick McKay Written by: Nicholas Adams and Justin Doble Directed by: Charlotte Brändström
@@LukaDoncicGOAT She left Valinor to rule her own people. Her realm was called Lorien after the gardens of Valinor. Galadriel from the third age is very different from Galadriel in second and first age.
He would not say that Iluvatar loves them. Otherwise, Iluvatar would have prevented the elves from being twisted by black magic and would not have left them to torments. The only one in Arda who loves Uruk, is ready to fight for them and sacrifice his life if necessary, is Lord Father himself. Only.
@@LightLeanor19 Illuvatar didn't prevent the first, second or third kinslaying of the elves as well. Does that mean he didn't care for the Teleri or the Elves of Doriath? Thousands of elves killed by other elves, women and children included.
Elves are at war with elves. And this is the Valar. And he "twisted" them with magic, not killed them. Lord Father is ready to protect Uruk from torment, why didnt Iluvatar do it?
,,my children have no master" this line has made this urruk guy my favourite character in the show he is like ,,even if the world don't love you doesn't matter anything because I LOVE YOU"
Guys don't you see? Galadriel is the bad guy. She literally can't let go of her hatred, refuses to go to the equivlent of heaven, and manipulates everyone into doing her bidding. She legit threatens to commit genocide just to make Adar suffer more. I thought the elves were better than this? Maybe Middle Earth needs someone like Sauron to enforce some kind of order.
There you go generalizing an entire group due to the actions of a select number or in this case one. Not all elves were like Galadriel as was clearly proven in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. And try asking yourself if you would like to live under Sauron's supposed order knowing the widespread destruction and misery he brought upon the people of Middle Earth.
Shame this wasn't a political debate. Adar would have secured my vote with that line about the mirror. I'd have been voting for him all day. And he even loves volcanoes. A truly nice guy.
@@regacc3594 'It would seem I'm not the only elf alive who has been transformed by darkness. Perhaps your search for Morgoth's successor should have ended in your own mirror.'
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
@@Haazza 1. You typed all of that to miss the point completely. The point is that she basically told a progenitor of a race that she was going to force him to live through the death of every one of his children. What she did was the equivalent of telling a father you're going to slaughter his children and make him listen to the screams. No elf in Tolkiens writing would have done that ESPECIALLY not Galadriel. And 2 so many hate ROP's version of Galadriel because they butchered her character. She was never like this in any portrayal. She did not lie to make alliances or force someone into doing something he didn't want to do nor would she have ever fallen for Sauron's disguise. As a matter of fact her eyes and perception of evil were so strong even in her youth that Sauron made it a point to avoid being near her at any cost. Her character was butchered just to make her an edgy boss bitch who doesn't play by the rules.
Adar isnt wrong. The orcs excisted once for a purpose. But they are still alive and concious. Sauron only cared for power and order which he would have orcs and men united since he did gain their loyatly in rhun and haradrim.
@@ryankwon8785 and what time would that have been? Oh yeah never because Sauron was always around. lso the Orcs were never peacefull. The Dwarfs could tell you about that so does everyone else. They just become a larger threat when under direct controll thats all.
@@hannesromhild8532 Sauron might have been around but when he was inactive, like after Isildur struck him down, the Orcs became tribal thugs and savages. Sauron hid away in Dol Guldur for centuries and was barely a threat until the events of The Hobbit.
@@dritanbakiaj4416 even Tolkien considered them victims, and said that even when they were attracted to evil, they could not be deemed inherently evil. You cannot judge their souls, even Tolkien had the humility to realize he could not condemn the orcs, that is a job for Illuvatar himself. The orcs are not to blame for the dark lords turning them into what they are.
I feel so bad for the poor uruk guy. That Galadriel rant, especially right at the end, is so blatantly hateful and full of spite that it almost knocked my socks off. Galadriel is without a doubt the number one turbo-racist of Middle-Earth.
🤮 Oh, no. Woke self-righteousness. What stands out about it more on a given day? Its halo or its snarling, sniveling accusations? "Gollum..!" "Gollum....!" 🥱😩
Elves are hardly perfect themselves -just read the Silmarillion. And you can just imagine the atrocities (genocidal in some cases) they committed during the War of Wrath against all those they deemed servants of Morgoth -and not just against orcs and Uruks. It isn't mentioned (and no wonder) in their chronicles, but given everything Morgoth did to them and those they loved and cherished, it is hard not to think many sank into the darkness of vengeance, and slaughtered innocents along the way to ultimate victory.
The Valar army out of Valinor knew little of anything. They destroyed Beleriand to destroy Morgoth. Those who knew were the leftovers of the Noldor, the Sindar and the Edain. And they were too few and desperate.
Ah yes, Galadriel the genocide elf, just how I remembered her from the books. I still can't make up my mind about whether it's a good or bad writing that the antagonist's causes are presented so well in this show, to the point that the protagonist's ways of thinking seem outrageous. Same case was with the mithril thing. Durin's father was 1000% right not to mine it for the elves.
@@TurloughEccles The Mithril thing? I mean... You're a dwarven king, responsible for the fate of Your own kin and subjects, and then a representative of some other race, the only immortal race on the planet comes to You and ask for risking dwarven mortal lives in order for the elves to keep being immortal. Effectively - sacrifice Your own people so we, the elves can continue not sharing the same fate You all lesser ephemeral races have to share. And the argument of Durin is "Elrond is mah friend" as if the dwarves that will die mining Mithril are not. I mean how could they even have the audacity to ask for this?
@@JoeTony1995 Oh that's interesting. Concidering that Tolkien was a christian, bringing to life a deeply christian fantasy world, I believe he must have wrote it as a huge detriment towards elves. To neglect someone the possibility of redemption is a huge sin, big no no.
Thanks so much for uploading this! Seriously, what a scene, never thought we´ll see such a well crafted moment explaining the origins of Orcs (Tolkien's most common explanation was they were Elves deformed by Morgoth) while reminding us that every soul has its pure beginning in The One. Also, anyone wondering while Galadriel was so murderous here, not only does the show pretty much spell out the whole time how much she's lost and that she was wrong to be fuelled on grief and the wish of revenge, but her family (the House of Finarfin) was a bunch of aggressive and violent people- ever heard of the Kinslaying?
The house of finarfin was mostly calm elves and did not take part in kinslaying. Finrod was the best of them, who even threw improptu concerts for humans. Galadriel is an exception i guess. House of Finwe (esp Feanor) on the other hand....
👍Schoen, dass hier gute Kommentare zu lesen sind, mit denen man selber Luecken schliessen kann(Finrod, Finwe,...) Ich selber"mochte"Adar. Bedenke man, dass er von Morgoth unter Pain, Gefangenschaft, wie manch andre Elben auch umgeformt, manipuliert wurde und letztlich dachte, er tut "Gutes" bzw. das Richtige. Ich selbst war mal in einer Endzeitsekte und wurde auch stark veraendert, manipuliert(nicht physisch wie die Uruks, Orks, eher in meiner Religioesitaet. ) Ich dachte auch, ich tu das Richtige. Da Addar selbst auch gequaelt wurde, hat er tiefes Mitgefuehl zu"seinen" Uruks/seinen Kindern. Etwas, was Sauron nicht hat.
The house of Finarfin was by far the most peaceful of the three main houses of the Noldor. The house of Fingolfin was renowned for its valor, the house of Feanor for it's hot-bloodedness, but the house of Finarfin was more compassionate. Also, they did not partake in the kinslaying as the children of Finarfin are half teleri.
@@sjuyal85 These 'Children' of Adar are actually Uruk or Uruk-Hai. Literally 'Orcs of the Hand' who owed no alleigance to Sauron (his Orcs were 'Eye Orcs' anyway, look at them and you will see they wear different emblems and motifs). Orcs of the Hand eventually threw their lot in with Sarumann rather than Sauron.
He was the only reason I was waiting for season 2. I don't say the new actor is not acting good, he is just look more evil. Joseph Mawle had a different face, he reflected the delicate and broken character of an ancient elf. (I'm sorry if I had grammar mistake, I'm not English)
He's chuckling at her asking "Where is Sauron?" because he knows he is right there with her posse. I believe he did "kill" Sauron - his blood or flesh was the missing ingredient. But Sauron - a Maia, was able to return.
@@Sharinganeye82 I've read A LOT of Tolkien's works. I own a few as well. I'm a total nerd for Middle Earth geography; I don't think there exists a location in Tolkien's world that I haven't heard of. I've played half a dozen Tolkien-based video games. I've seen LOTR about 40? times, and I like ROP. If you're a true Tolkien fan, you're grateful for every chance of even the slightest glimpse into Middle Earth, regardless of canon.
The ENTIRE Third Age is her redemption arc. So given that she can descend to full Hitler mode for the whole Second Age. Leaving her roughly where Churchill ends up in history. Probably more responsible for WW2 than anyone else, but rarely blamed for it.
I'm actually sad that we can't get to see Adar win, morally, it's easier to be on his side, he's redeemable, and Galadriel is just a Straight up Monomaniac.
The Orcs are no people. They are a weapon and they could never be anything else. If left alone they would always bring war, death and nothing else. Morgoth made them to be evil there is no nuance.
@@hannesromhild8532 This is an adaptation that aims to create new content in Middle Earth. They said so before they started filming it. Were you expecting something else?
@@leblubblab it's not even an adaptation at this point. They should just have made their own thing. Enough dumb people to watch that garbadge without draging Tolkiens work into this mess.
@@hannesromhild8532 Well it's the most viewed show on Prime by far, and has generally favourable reviews. Metacritic gave season 1 a 70/100, Rottentomatoes 83/100, 69/100 by IMDB (user reviews). You don't need to like personally for it to be good, lol.
Honestly, despite this show making Galadriel a bit of a mockery of what she is, given what we know about how she's like in the First Age, it does give homage to the fact that none of the elves ever tried to understand the Orcs and all those Morgoth corrupted.
Talk about muddied waters. I love it, neither of them is in the right. And yet I find myself siding with the one in chains, because in this moment, and story he is less fueled by hatred. This is good writing.
@@hannesromhild8532it's cool that this show brings out the inner Nazi in people. Who knows what the orcs will do if left alone in a suitable environment.
@@crhu319 we know. The Orcs are a product of pure evil and will never do anything else. Not much moraly grey in Tolkiens work all very black and white.
bro i wish this show was in the perspective of sauron and the orcs, would be a far better show seeing as galadriel and elrond are basically the bad guys
I would rather have a show on the Easterlings and their perspective. The orcs can be added as the protagonists’ comrades, colleagues, or rivals. Tolkien hardly covered the Easterlings.
People rip on Galadriel for going on a genocidal rant…but I doubt any of the Eldar or even the Valar were ever interested in living alongside orcs or even seeing them as victims in Morgoths twisted and pointless schemes Plus, she is un-LEARNING her own bloodthirstiness, which is a product of her trauma from the First Age. You can even see at the end of this scene that she realizes she’s gone too far and is clearly ashamed at how she keeps letting her bloodlust get the better of her And she’s hardly the only member of the House of Finwe to go completely off the rails
I disagree. At 3:55, she goes into great detail about destroying Adar's people without an ounce of remorse. Naming other elves who were off the rails doesn't excuse the fact that one of the main protagonists of this show is off the rails. I don't believe she is unlearning her arrogance and bloodthirstiness either. Arrogant characters are usually humbled in their story in order to grow (In Thor 1, he was arrogant until he was banished and had to become worthy again to lift his hammer. In Iron Man 1, Stark was arrogant and naïve until he saw how dangerous his weapons were to the planet, and created Iron Man to stop the damage he was causing, etc). Galadriel was never humbled this entire season. She won every fight, and she was never corrected for a wrong decision, she was never put down for her arrogant behavior. At the end of the season, she looks like the exact same vengeful person as the beginning. And lastly, I just don't feel the trauma she experienced. She hasn't shown any emotion over her brother's death (not to mention barely talking about her husband's death). For every time she mentions the pain of losing her brother, there are 5 times she's mentioning exacting revenge. That doesn't sound like someone experiencing grief; it frankly sounds like the writers needed to create some reason for Galadriel to go on a quest to hunt Sauron.
@@Trewq79 does she need to get beaten up for her to learn some kind of lesson? When Mount Doom erupted, you can tell on her face that she is not only realizing what a huge mistake she made, but that she's about to get a lot of people killed. And she doesn't try to run, she accepts that she might die. During her whole conversation with Theo in the next episode you can tell she's reflecting on herself and the choices she made while also giving him advice. She even cries when she sees that Tar-Miriel is blind. Feanor was far worse in my opinion. In his speech to the Noldor, he doesn't just want to defeat Morgoth and get the Silmarils back, he wants the Elves to reclaim their birthright, which is Middle Earth. That likely mean extermination of orcs and forcing Sindar, Avari, Men, and Dwarves to live under an authoritarian regime by the Noldor. And even when he realized defeating Morgoth would never happen, he still doomed all seven of his sons to stick to getting the Silmarils.
If I understand it right, Galadriel should be good guy here? She is vain, despise Adar despite of knowing he was victim of Morgoth, threatens to brutally kill prisoners, acting as cruel fanatic which enjoy torture, what a role model.
Adar recognised Finrod's dagger....had Sauron had his hands on it after Finrod's death? Is that dagger behind Galadriels behaviour? Halbrand seemed pretty eager to keep it in her possession.
Weren't Orcs unique because they didn't have the Flame Imperishable burning within them? Why does Adar say they have the secret fire when the whole point is that Morgoth took away their free will?
You are misremembering, Tolkien himself went back and forth on the nature of Orcs, their souls, their ability to be redeemed and so on, he was uncomfortable with an entire species of soulless but intelligent creatures since that goes against his Catholicism, and even more uncomfortable idea with an entire species of fallen beings who are slaughtered and never given a chance at redemption given they never had a chance. He died before he could figure out an answer to that problem that he was satisfied with.
@@tevildo7718 This is what Tolkien has to say about the orcs’ chance for redemption: “(I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good)”
I don’t think it’s ever stated anywhere that orcs had no free will. They certainly appear to be making their own decisions all the time and have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, and even virtues (ie, loyalty to friends). I think the orcs have a bad temperament and are predisposed towards evil, much like sociopaths who were created by trauma in their childhood, but that doesn’t make them inherently evil and incapable of doing good. If you want to see a “good” or at least morally grey sociopath, watch The Expanse. The character named Amos was abused as a kid and became a sociopath but despite a lack of empathy or an internal moral compass he tries to do the right thing by attaching himself to morally good people. I think that given orcs’ nature, they could probably act much like Amos when they break away from darker influence. -- The alternative to redeemable orcs would have to be genocide, and I don’t think that’s something Tolkien would be comfortable with.
Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt. They were corrupted elves, Tolkien implied as much but left it to the imagination how exactly that came to be.
I see nothing wrong with eradicating roaches, nor did the Fellowship. The only one they had mercy on was Gollum, because he served a purpose. He was irredeemable. Aragon had mercy on Worm tongue too. I'm not sure that was wise. He provided information to Saruman that resulted in a lot of deaths.
@@LightLeanor19 I think he might be. Reason being, Sauron is something of a shapeshifter and his quote, "...And I am no god...at least not yet.", makes me think he may in fact be Sauron after all. Probably not, to my disappointment, but he may have taken the form of Halbrand. If not, he's probably just going to be his own charecter based on the dark elves.
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely unlike Sauron in his attitude towards the Uruks, and in his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only that is what you call everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the “King of the Southlands” was not a Maiar? @@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in relation to Uruk, and is ready to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in his attitude towards Uruk, and his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
they just had to make the one "orc" with a personality and honest goals look appealing and not be a horrific monster on the outside like the rest of them
unfortunately we are not shown why galadriel is so angry and broken by the pain and war that was the war of wrath, that is why she hates the orks and morgoth- she say firsthand the ruin, destruction, and death of her kind brought on by morgoth and perpetuated by the uruk- so its easy to say she is the bad one here out of context because we dont see the traumatic history that made her so jaded- and morgoth and the uruk, whether slaves or not, decimated her people ruthlessly.
I never thought I would be rooting for the leader of a band of orcs over Galadriel. He's unironically more compassionate than she is. . . . the sad part is I don't think the writers are even aware of this.
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
even if he's an antagonist, his point was well-made and it gives another dimension to Galadriel's darkness
He speaks of the secret fire, she of mistakes. He speaks of names, she of slaves.
Better to have the scent of death than in your words.
"""Galadriel"""
I’m super upset they’re replacing this actor, he’s did a stellar job. He’s perfect for this role
Are they replacing him, or did he leave?
@@specie44He chose to leave...
@@twistedguy102 ya i think that was a mistake
Damn that really sucks. Was hoping they could build on the positive aspects of the show but that’s a big loss
@@adamstaples9158 Indeed. I think in time he will probably come to regret it.
The supposed villain of this season has more redeemable qualities than the heroine
@@wpboddy9165 was it intentional?
It's good writing.... they aren't cliché good guys and bad guys
@The Adjudicator There's a difference between hard headed and a gynocidal psychopath
@@LukaDoncicGOAT She left Valinor to rule her own people. Her realm was called Lorien after the gardens of Valinor.
Galadriel from the third age is very different from Galadriel in second and first age.
@@qcrew2938 it’s terrible writing how much did Amazon pay you?
Eru loves us for who we are
- Adar
He would not say that Iluvatar loves them. Otherwise, Iluvatar would have prevented the elves from being twisted by black magic and would not have left them to torments. The only one in Arda who loves Uruk, is ready to fight for them and sacrifice his life if necessary, is Lord Father himself. Only.
@@LightLeanor19 I see his point is if Aru is the power and creator of all then he also created the Uruk to live.
@@LightLeanor19 Illuvatar didn't prevent the first, second or third kinslaying of the elves as well. Does that mean he didn't care for the Teleri or the Elves of Doriath? Thousands of elves killed by other elves, women and children included.
Elves are at war with elves. And this is the Valar. And he "twisted" them with magic, not killed them. Lord Father is ready to protect Uruk from torment, why didnt Iluvatar do it?
,,my children have no master" this line has made this urruk guy my favourite character in the show he is like ,,even if the world don't love you doesn't matter anything because
I LOVE YOU"
And this is very true!
Urruk's are just seeing adar too lead them! They love him truly!
Adar-Victim
Galadriel-Torturer
My favourite scene, Adar was awesome and his message actually made sense.
Guys don't you see? Galadriel is the bad guy. She literally can't let go of her hatred, refuses to go to the equivlent of heaven, and manipulates everyone into doing her bidding. She legit threatens to commit genocide just to make Adar suffer more. I thought the elves were better than this? Maybe Middle Earth needs someone like Sauron to enforce some kind of order.
Elves were crazy overall so i am not suprised
sauron for president
There you go generalizing an entire group due to the actions of a select number or in this case one. Not all elves were like Galadriel as was clearly proven in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. And try asking yourself if you would like to live under Sauron's supposed order knowing the widespread destruction and misery he brought upon the people of Middle Earth.
@@xyPERSON You are missing the point of Adar’s character.
It's ok to genocide the orks tho - a fundamentally evil race.
I'm a big fan of war-crimes galadriel
Shame this wasn't a political debate. Adar would have secured my vote with that line about the mirror. I'd have been voting for him all day. And he even loves volcanoes. A truly nice guy.
what was the sentence about "mirror"?
@@regacc3594 'It would seem I'm not the only elf alive who has been transformed by darkness. Perhaps your search for Morgoth's successor should have ended in your own mirror.'
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
@@Haazza 1. You typed all of that to miss the point completely. The point is that she basically told a progenitor of a race that she was going to force him to live through the death of every one of his children. What she did was the equivalent of telling a father you're going to slaughter his children and make him listen to the screams. No elf in Tolkiens writing would have done that ESPECIALLY not Galadriel. And 2 so many hate ROP's version of Galadriel because they butchered her character. She was never like this in any portrayal. She did not lie to make alliances or force someone into doing something he didn't want to do nor would she have ever fallen for Sauron's disguise. As a matter of fact her eyes and perception of evil were so strong even in her youth that Sauron made it a point to avoid being near her at any cost. Her character was butchered just to make her an edgy boss bitch who doesn't play by the rules.
@@dantesprophet9612 ahhh I see, thanks for the clarification
What a performance 🎭.
Seriously, Joseph Mawle was the only one I was looking forward to in this whole series.
There's a scene in Schindlers list that this scene practically a one to one copy of.
Link?
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@@jasperhunt596 thanks mate
Bullshit .
What scene? Where can I find it in schindler's list?
Adar isnt wrong. The orcs excisted once for a purpose. But they are still alive and concious. Sauron only cared for power and order which he would have orcs and men united since he did gain their loyatly in rhun and haradrim.
Whenever Morgoth and Sauron weren’t around, the orcs were nothing more than bandits that harassed the lands of the Men, Dwarves, and Elves.
@@ryankwon8785 and what time would that have been? Oh yeah never because Sauron was always around. lso the Orcs were never peacefull. The Dwarfs could tell you about that so does everyone else. They just become a larger threat when under direct controll thats all.
@@hannesromhild8532 Sauron might have been around but when he was inactive, like after Isildur struck him down, the Orcs became tribal thugs and savages. Sauron hid away in Dol Guldur for centuries and was barely a threat until the events of The Hobbit.
@@michaelblower7363 Have you not heard about Angmar?
@@hannesromhild8532All the orcs of arda weren't gathered in angmar tho so what's your point??
Is it just me or does Galdriel sound like a true Nazi at the end?
she's half-noldor so honestly, she's basically half elf-nazi
So the orchs are the good guys now 😂😂😂😂😂
You aren't very bright are you 😂😂😂😂😂
@@dritanbakiaj4416 Your mommy always says (or sighs, later in bed) that I am the brightest person she ever met 🤡
@@dritanbakiaj4416 even Tolkien considered them victims, and said that even when they were attracted to evil, they could not be deemed inherently evil. You cannot judge their souls, even Tolkien had the humility to realize he could not condemn the orcs, that is a job for Illuvatar himself.
The orcs are not to blame for the dark lords turning them into what they are.
1:13 onwards - that choirs theme in the background is Jackson-worthy.
Galadriels rage against Sauron was legit. His werewolves murdered her beloved elder brother Finrod!
Mawle stole the show
I feel so bad for the poor uruk guy. That Galadriel rant, especially right at the end, is so blatantly hateful and full of spite that it almost knocked my socks off. Galadriel is without a doubt the number one turbo-racist of Middle-Earth.
It wasn’t a part of Tolkien’s elves. He wrote that elves took orc POWs when they surrendered.
@@a.walker7366 considering some often killed their own kind and tossed them to the sea, I d say it depends on which elves.
@@a.walker7366 she's noldor, they definitely have a crazy streak
🤮 Oh, no. Woke self-righteousness. What stands out about it more on a given day? Its halo or its snarling, sniveling accusations? "Gollum..!" "Gollum....!" 🥱😩
@@a.walker7366 elves were really peaceful, merciful, and gentle beings. google "what happened to elwing's brothers"
I never thought I'd love an orc more than an elf
Orcs, goblins ; 'monsters' are the real good ones.
All adar wants to do is protect his beloved children.
Best scene in rings of power
I think Ray Parlour's done a great job of playing Adar, almost as good as he was in midfield for Arsenal 🙂
Haha bro Ray Parlour, big up 1998 Arsenal line up
Adar: among the best parts of the Rings of Power, by far
Amazon, Season 2: no, he won't return
Me: ???
My sentiments exactly
He'll be, but played by another actor.
Also, I think we'll have a flashback of how he "killed" Sauron
No seriously .. he’s awesome & im really mad he won’t be back.
@@pulgoso_97 In the new trailer, it shows just that. Have you seen it?
A few millennia later, "Galadriel's Mirror" became one of her special magical abilities.
Yeah that was a nice foreshadow.
Best scene of the entire series.
Elves are hardly perfect themselves -just read the Silmarillion. And you can just imagine the atrocities (genocidal in some cases) they committed during the War of Wrath against all those they deemed servants of Morgoth -and not just against orcs and Uruks. It isn't mentioned (and no wonder) in their chronicles, but given everything Morgoth did to them and those they loved and cherished, it is hard not to think many sank into the darkness of vengeance, and slaughtered innocents along the way to ultimate victory.
The Valar army out of Valinor knew little of anything. They destroyed Beleriand to destroy Morgoth. Those who knew were the leftovers of the Noldor, the Sindar and the Edain. And they were too few and desperate.
Yeah they are absolutely on a traumatized revenge. Really doesn't help that they're immortal so it's personal for most of the leaders.
Ah yes, Galadriel the genocide elf, just how I remembered her from the books. I still can't make up my mind about whether it's a good or bad writing that the antagonist's causes are presented so well in this show, to the point that the protagonist's ways of thinking seem outrageous. Same case was with the mithril thing. Durin's father was 1000% right not to mine it for the elves.
How so? Just curious
@@TurloughEccles The Mithril thing? I mean... You're a dwarven king, responsible for the fate of Your own kin and subjects, and then a representative of some other race, the only immortal race on the planet comes to You and ask for risking dwarven mortal lives in order for the elves to keep being immortal. Effectively - sacrifice Your own people so we, the elves can continue not sharing the same fate You all lesser ephemeral races have to share. And the argument of Durin is "Elrond is mah friend" as if the dwarves that will die mining Mithril are not. I mean how could they even have the audacity to ask for this?
@@grzegorzwlazo5369 wow I hadnt thought of that. Well said.
The books actually do say that the elves had a special hatred of the orcs and that they would never welcome one back, even if an orc sought redemption
@@JoeTony1995 Oh that's interesting. Concidering that Tolkien was a christian, bringing to life a deeply christian fantasy world, I believe he must have wrote it as a huge detriment towards elves. To neglect someone the possibility of redemption is a huge sin, big no no.
Thanks so much for uploading this! Seriously, what a scene, never thought we´ll see such a well crafted moment explaining the origins of Orcs (Tolkien's most common explanation was they were Elves deformed by Morgoth) while reminding us that every soul has its pure beginning in The One. Also, anyone wondering while Galadriel was so murderous here, not only does the show pretty much spell out the whole time how much she's lost and that she was wrong to be fuelled on grief and the wish of revenge, but her family (the House of Finarfin) was a bunch of aggressive and violent people- ever heard of the Kinslaying?
The house of finarfin was mostly calm elves and did not take part in kinslaying. Finrod was the best of them, who even threw improptu concerts for humans. Galadriel is an exception i guess.
House of Finwe (esp Feanor) on the other hand....
👍Schoen, dass hier gute Kommentare zu lesen sind, mit denen man selber Luecken schliessen kann(Finrod, Finwe,...) Ich selber"mochte"Adar. Bedenke man, dass er von Morgoth unter Pain, Gefangenschaft, wie manch andre Elben auch umgeformt, manipuliert wurde und letztlich dachte, er tut "Gutes" bzw. das Richtige. Ich selbst war mal in einer Endzeitsekte und wurde auch stark veraendert, manipuliert(nicht physisch wie die Uruks, Orks, eher in meiner Religioesitaet. ) Ich dachte auch, ich tu das Richtige. Da Addar selbst auch gequaelt wurde, hat er tiefes Mitgefuehl zu"seinen" Uruks/seinen Kindern. Etwas, was Sauron nicht hat.
@@sjuyal85 The house of Finarfin is a branch of the house of Finwe by his second wife Indis, but the house of Feanor was much quicker to anger.
The house of Finarfin was by far the most peaceful of the three main houses of the Noldor. The house of Fingolfin was renowned for its valor, the house of Feanor for it's hot-bloodedness, but the house of Finarfin was more compassionate. Also, they did not partake in the kinslaying as the children of Finarfin are half teleri.
@@sjuyal85 These 'Children' of Adar are actually Uruk or Uruk-Hai. Literally 'Orcs of the Hand' who owed no alleigance to Sauron (his Orcs were 'Eye Orcs' anyway, look at them and you will see they wear different emblems and motifs). Orcs of the Hand eventually threw their lot in with Sarumann rather than Sauron.
He was the only reason I was waiting for season 2. I don't say the new actor is not acting good, he is just look more evil. Joseph Mawle had a different face, he reflected the delicate and broken character of an ancient elf. (I'm sorry if I had grammar mistake, I'm not English)
Agree
adar was the best thing from RoP.
He's chuckling at her asking "Where is Sauron?" because he knows he is right there with her posse.
I believe he did "kill" Sauron - his blood or flesh was the missing ingredient. But Sauron - a Maia, was able to return.
Deep scene. Worth the entire series to watch this.
belive me .....its not worth ( if u are a real LotR Fan who read the Books !! )
uh no....
@@Sharinganeye82 I've read A LOT of Tolkien's works. I own a few as well. I'm a total nerd for Middle Earth geography; I don't think there exists a location in Tolkien's world that I haven't heard of. I've played half a dozen Tolkien-based video games. I've seen LOTR about 40? times, and I like ROP.
If you're a true Tolkien fan, you're grateful for every chance of even the slightest glimpse into Middle Earth, regardless of canon.
I feel Galadriel needs a big redemption arc if we want to arrive at the lotr Galadriel 😅
The ENTIRE Third Age is her redemption arc.
So given that she can descend to full Hitler mode for the whole Second Age.
Leaving her roughly where Churchill ends up in history. Probably more responsible for WW2 than anyone else, but rarely blamed for it.
Even LOTR Galadriel failed the test when presented with the One Ring.
I'm actually sad that we can't get to see Adar win, morally, it's easier to be on his side, he's redeemable, and Galadriel is just a Straight up Monomaniac.
The Orcs are no people. They are a weapon and they could never be anything else. If left alone they would always bring war, death and nothing else. Morgoth made them to be evil there is no nuance.
Seems her heart is more poisoned than his.
Imagine making the bad guys look good.
imagine fucking up tolkiens work wich is litteraly a black and white story.
@@hannesromhild8532 This is an adaptation that aims to create new content in Middle Earth. They said so before they started filming it. Were you expecting something else?
@@leblubblab it's not even an adaptation at this point. They should just have made their own thing. Enough dumb people to watch that garbadge without draging Tolkiens work into this mess.
@@hannesromhild8532 Well it's the most viewed show on Prime by far, and has generally favourable reviews. Metacritic gave season 1 a 70/100, Rottentomatoes 83/100, 69/100 by IMDB (user reviews).
You don't need to like personally for it to be good, lol.
@@hannesromhild8532 you're calling people who watch ROP dumb? That's a retarded thing to do.
Adar was the best character in RoP by far
Honestly, despite this show making Galadriel a bit of a mockery of what she is, given what we know about how she's like in the First Age, it does give homage to the fact that none of the elves ever tried to understand the Orcs and all those Morgoth corrupted.
"our pronouns are uruk"
it's my Uncle Benjen!
Wise Words indeed.
Imagine rewriting Galadriel as a bitter hateful militant and thinking you've improved Tolkien
Read the books, then you will understand.
@@ds1868 Yes it seems they not read all of Tolkiens books
Adar does portrayed as part orc part fallen elf !!!
Talk about muddied waters. I love it, neither of them is in the right. And yet I find myself siding with the one in chains, because in this moment, and story he is less fueled by hatred. This is good writing.
It's crap writing but Galadriel is in the right here. The Orcs are a force of evil and nothing else.
@@hannesromhild8532it's cool that this show brings out the inner Nazi in people. Who knows what the orcs will do if left alone in a suitable environment.
@@crhu319 we know. The Orcs are a product of pure evil and will never do anything else. Not much moraly grey in Tolkiens work all very black and white.
Galadriel is the obsessed villain
bro i wish this show was in the perspective of sauron and the orcs, would be a far better show seeing as galadriel and elrond are basically the bad guys
I would rather have a show on the Easterlings and their perspective. The orcs can be added as the protagonists’ comrades, colleagues, or rivals. Tolkien hardly covered the Easterlings.
The darkness never bothered me anyway!
ha I really thought he was Sauron...which woulda been fine with me
Almost like star wars where the evil killed Anakin
That's me, and I still talk to my stunt double. We got very close to, may be the Doppelgangers effect.
People rip on Galadriel for going on a genocidal rant…but I doubt any of the Eldar or even the Valar were ever interested in living alongside orcs or even seeing them as victims in Morgoths twisted and pointless schemes
Plus, she is un-LEARNING her own bloodthirstiness, which is a product of her trauma from the First Age. You can even see at the end of this scene that she realizes she’s gone too far and is clearly ashamed at how she keeps letting her bloodlust get the better of her
And she’s hardly the only member of the House of Finwe to go completely off the rails
I disagree. At 3:55, she goes into great detail about destroying Adar's people without an ounce of remorse. Naming other elves who were off the rails doesn't excuse the fact that one of the main protagonists of this show is off the rails.
I don't believe she is unlearning her arrogance and bloodthirstiness either. Arrogant characters are usually humbled in their story in order to grow (In Thor 1, he was arrogant until he was banished and had to become worthy again to lift his hammer. In Iron Man 1, Stark was arrogant and naïve until he saw how dangerous his weapons were to the planet, and created Iron Man to stop the damage he was causing, etc). Galadriel was never humbled this entire season. She won every fight, and she was never corrected for a wrong decision, she was never put down for her arrogant behavior. At the end of the season, she looks like the exact same vengeful person as the beginning.
And lastly, I just don't feel the trauma she experienced. She hasn't shown any emotion over her brother's death (not to mention barely talking about her husband's death). For every time she mentions the pain of losing her brother, there are 5 times she's mentioning exacting revenge. That doesn't sound like someone experiencing grief; it frankly sounds like the writers needed to create some reason for Galadriel to go on a quest to hunt Sauron.
@@Trewq79 does she need to get beaten up for her to learn some kind of lesson?
When Mount Doom erupted, you can tell on her face that she is not only realizing what a huge mistake she made, but that she's about to get a lot of people killed. And she doesn't try to run, she accepts that she might die. During her whole conversation with Theo in the next episode you can tell she's reflecting on herself and the choices she made while also giving him advice. She even cries when she sees that Tar-Miriel is blind.
Feanor was far worse in my opinion. In his speech to the Noldor, he doesn't just want to defeat Morgoth and get the Silmarils back, he wants the Elves to reclaim their birthright, which is Middle Earth. That likely mean extermination of orcs and forcing Sindar, Avari, Men, and Dwarves to live under an authoritarian regime by the Noldor. And even when he realized defeating Morgoth would never happen, he still doomed all seven of his sons to stick to getting the Silmarils.
If I understand it right, Galadriel should be good guy here? She is vain, despise Adar despite of knowing he was victim of Morgoth, threatens to brutally kill prisoners, acting as cruel fanatic which enjoy torture, what a role model.
Not despise, hate, and Galadriel is angry that Uruk is morally higher and more successful than she. She is sadistic
Adar recognised Finrod's dagger....had Sauron had his hands on it after Finrod's death? Is that dagger behind Galadriels behaviour? Halbrand seemed pretty eager to keep it in her possession.
Yeah, it could be cursed. Melted into the rings as well.
this reminds me of schindler's list and we to believe shes the hero
Adar you were the best pity you left this season… you were the reason I love the show
Best scene by far in season 1
Weren't Orcs unique because they didn't have the Flame Imperishable burning within them? Why does Adar say they have the secret fire when the whole point is that Morgoth took away their free will?
You are misremembering, Tolkien himself went back and forth on the nature of Orcs, their souls, their ability to be redeemed and so on, he was uncomfortable with an entire species of soulless but intelligent creatures since that goes against his Catholicism, and even more uncomfortable idea with an entire species of fallen beings who are slaughtered and never given a chance at redemption given they never had a chance. He died before he could figure out an answer to that problem that he was satisfied with.
@@tevildo7718 This is what Tolkien has to say about the orcs’ chance for redemption:
“(I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good)”
I don’t think it’s ever stated anywhere that orcs had no free will. They certainly appear to be making their own decisions all the time and have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, and even virtues (ie, loyalty to friends).
I think the orcs have a bad temperament and are predisposed towards evil, much like sociopaths who were created by trauma in their childhood, but that doesn’t make them inherently evil and incapable of doing good.
If you want to see a “good” or at least morally grey sociopath, watch The Expanse. The character named Amos was abused as a kid and became a sociopath but despite a lack of empathy or an internal moral compass he tries to do the right thing by attaching himself to morally good people.
I think that given orcs’ nature, they could probably act much like Amos when they break away from darker influence.
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The alternative to redeemable orcs would have to be genocide, and I don’t think that’s something Tolkien would be comfortable with.
Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt. They were corrupted elves, Tolkien implied as much but left it to the imagination how exactly that came to be.
It is a contented video.
Two race actually have common ground, but the stronger party didn't realize it yet
Predovic Throughway
Looks like Benjen Stark survived the Undead attack after all. Only to become not much of an improvement.
Galadriel looks like Hitler in that season. Eradicate everyone she consideres as a mistake even though they might be related.
I see nothing wrong with eradicating roaches, nor did the Fellowship. The only one they had mercy on was Gollum, because he served a purpose. He was irredeemable. Aragon had mercy on Worm tongue too. I'm not sure that was wise. He provided information to Saruman that resulted in a lot of deaths.
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I'm so bummed that he bailed on season 2. Perhaps Morgoth's successor should have stayed for season 2!
He is NOT Morgoth's successor. He will be in season 2, only a different actor. (or maybe both)
@@LightLeanor19 I think he might be. Reason being, Sauron is something of a shapeshifter and his quote, "...And I am no god...at least not yet.", makes me think he may in fact be Sauron after all. Probably not, to my disappointment, but he may have taken the form of Halbrand. If not, he's probably just going to be his own charecter based on the dark elves.
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely unlike Sauron in his attitude towards the Uruks, and in his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only that is what you call everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi)
He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the “King of the Southlands” was not a Maiar?
@@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in relation to Uruk, and is ready to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi)
He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in his attitude towards Uruk, and his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi)
He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
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I felt like Adar was more of a hero than Galadriel
He loves and protects his children with all that he has.
Jamison Extension
Read The Emerald Tablets... You'll see exactly what sits around the secret fire... It's no joke... This scene gives so much information...
they just had to make the one "orc" with a personality and honest goals look appealing and not be a horrific monster on the outside like the rest of them
Reynolds Estate
I hope next time she look at the flowers...
Rusty Spur
Genocidal and spiteful, what’s not to like
Cormier Flat
Why has galadrial come out looking like the villain here....
Treutel Club
unfortunately we are not shown why galadriel is so angry and broken by the pain and war that was the war of wrath, that is why she hates the orks and morgoth- she say firsthand the ruin, destruction, and death of her kind brought on by morgoth and perpetuated by the uruk- so its easy to say she is the bad one here out of context because we dont see the traumatic history that made her so jaded- and morgoth and the uruk, whether slaves or not, decimated her people ruthlessly.
Claud Ville
You can tell someone did something wrong when Sauron comes across as more of a hero than Galadriel
Not at all. Read the books.
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maybe the comment stuck in her and that's why she made mirror of galadriel
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I never thought I would be rooting for the leader of a band of orcs over Galadriel. He's unironically more compassionate than she is. . . . the sad part is I don't think the writers are even aware of this.
@@wpboddy9165 I hope so. When season 2 comes out, we'll see.
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I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
Ooh I see that makes sense, thanks
@@wpboddy9165Sauron is a deceiver. Everything he says is a lie. I can’t believe he deceived nearly half the fan base as a sympathetic Halbrand.
Dude, you're a Nazi.
Show is way way better than all the nagging complainers say. It surprised me how good it was
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Keenan Falls
Adar cares about the Urük and the orcs.
Bam!
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are they talking about how the Orcs where created?
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