Rings of Power S1 E6 - Udûn Amazon, 2022 Developed by: John D. Payne Patrick McKay Written by: Nicholas Adams and Justin Doble Directed by: Charlotte Brändström
He would not say that Iluvatar loves them. Otherwise, Iluvatar would have prevented the elves from being twisted by black magic and would not have left them to torments. The only one in Arda who loves Uruk, is ready to fight for them and sacrifice his life if necessary, is Lord Father himself. Only.
,,my children have no master" this line has made this urruk guy my favourite character in the show he is like ,,even if the world don't love you doesn't matter anything because I LOVE YOU"
@@dritanbakiaj4416 even Tolkien considered them victims, and said that even when they were attracted to evil, they could not be deemed inherently evil. You cannot judge their souls, even Tolkien had the humility to realize he could not condemn the orcs, that is a job for Illuvatar himself. The orcs are not to blame for the dark lords turning them into what they are.
Guys don't you see? Galadriel is the bad guy. She literally can't let go of her hatred, refuses to go to the equivlent of heaven, and manipulates everyone into doing her bidding. She legit threatens to commit genocide just to make Adar suffer more. I thought the elves were better than this? Maybe Middle Earth needs someone like Sauron to enforce some kind of order.
There you go generalizing an entire group due to the actions of a select number or in this case one. Not all elves were like Galadriel as was clearly proven in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. And try asking yourself if you would like to live under Sauron's supposed order knowing the widespread destruction and misery he brought upon the people of Middle Earth.
Shame this wasn't a political debate. Adar would have secured my vote with that line about the mirror. I'd have been voting for him all day. And he even loves volcanoes. A truly nice guy.
@@regacc3594 'It would seem I'm not the only elf alive who has been transformed by darkness. Perhaps your search for Morgoth's successor should have ended in your own mirror.'
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
@@Haazza 1. You typed all of that to miss the point completely. The point is that she basically told a progenitor of a race that she was going to force him to live through the death of every one of his children. What she did was the equivalent of telling a father you're going to slaughter his children and make him listen to the screams. No elf in Tolkiens writing would have done that ESPECIALLY not Galadriel. And 2 so many hate ROP's version of Galadriel because they butchered her character. She was never like this in any portrayal. She did not lie to make alliances or force someone into doing something he didn't want to do nor would she have ever fallen for Sauron's disguise. As a matter of fact her eyes and perception of evil were so strong even in her youth that Sauron made it a point to avoid being near her at any cost. Her character was butchered just to make her an edgy boss bitch who doesn't play by the rules.
I feel so bad for the poor uruk guy. That Galadriel rant, especially right at the end, is so blatantly hateful and full of spite that it almost knocked my socks off. Galadriel is without a doubt the number one turbo-racist of Middle-Earth.
🤮 Oh, no. Woke self-righteousness. What stands out about it more on a given day? Its halo or its snarling, sniveling accusations? "Gollum..!" "Gollum....!" 🥱😩
Ah yes, Galadriel the genocide elf, just how I remembered her from the books. I still can't make up my mind about whether it's a good or bad writing that the antagonist's causes are presented so well in this show, to the point that the protagonist's ways of thinking seem outrageous. Same case was with the mithril thing. Durin's father was 1000% right not to mine it for the elves.
@@TurloughEccles The Mithril thing? I mean... You're a dwarven king, responsible for the fate of Your own kin and subjects, and then a representative of some other race, the only immortal race on the planet comes to You and ask for risking dwarven mortal lives in order for the elves to keep being immortal. Effectively - sacrifice Your own people so we, the elves can continue not sharing the same fate You all lesser ephemeral races have to share. And the argument of Durin is "Elrond is mah friend" as if the dwarves that will die mining Mithril are not. I mean how could they even have the audacity to ask for this?
@@JoeTony1995 Oh that's interesting. Concidering that Tolkien was a christian, bringing to life a deeply christian fantasy world, I believe he must have wrote it as a huge detriment towards elves. To neglect someone the possibility of redemption is a huge sin, big no no.
Adar isnt wrong. The orcs excisted once for a purpose. But they are still alive and concious. Sauron only cared for power and order which he would have orcs and men united since he did gain their loyatly in rhun and haradrim.
@@ryankwon8785 and what time would that have been? Oh yeah never because Sauron was always around. lso the Orcs were never peacefull. The Dwarfs could tell you about that so does everyone else. They just become a larger threat when under direct controll thats all.
@@hannesromhild8532 Sauron might have been around but when he was inactive, like after Isildur struck him down, the Orcs became tribal thugs and savages. Sauron hid away in Dol Guldur for centuries and was barely a threat until the events of The Hobbit.
I'm actually sad that we can't get to see Adar win, morally, it's easier to be on his side, he's redeemable, and Galadriel is just a Straight up Monomaniac.
The Orcs are no people. They are a weapon and they could never be anything else. If left alone they would always bring war, death and nothing else. Morgoth made them to be evil there is no nuance.
Thanks so much for uploading this! Seriously, what a scene, never thought we´ll see such a well crafted moment explaining the origins of Orcs (Tolkien's most common explanation was they were Elves deformed by Morgoth) while reminding us that every soul has its pure beginning in The One. Also, anyone wondering while Galadriel was so murderous here, not only does the show pretty much spell out the whole time how much she's lost and that she was wrong to be fuelled on grief and the wish of revenge, but her family (the House of Finarfin) was a bunch of aggressive and violent people- ever heard of the Kinslaying?
The house of finarfin was mostly calm elves and did not take part in kinslaying. Finrod was the best of them, who even threw improptu concerts for humans. Galadriel is an exception i guess. House of Finwe (esp Feanor) on the other hand....
👍Schoen, dass hier gute Kommentare zu lesen sind, mit denen man selber Luecken schliessen kann(Finrod, Finwe,...) Ich selber"mochte"Adar. Bedenke man, dass er von Morgoth unter Pain, Gefangenschaft, wie manch andre Elben auch umgeformt, manipuliert wurde und letztlich dachte, er tut "Gutes" bzw. das Richtige. Ich selbst war mal in einer Endzeitsekte und wurde auch stark veraendert, manipuliert(nicht physisch wie die Uruks, Orks, eher in meiner Religioesitaet. ) Ich dachte auch, ich tu das Richtige. Da Addar selbst auch gequaelt wurde, hat er tiefes Mitgefuehl zu"seinen" Uruks/seinen Kindern. Etwas, was Sauron nicht hat.
The house of Finarfin was by far the most peaceful of the three main houses of the Noldor. The house of Fingolfin was renowned for its valor, the house of Feanor for it's hot-bloodedness, but the house of Finarfin was more compassionate. Also, they did not partake in the kinslaying as the children of Finarfin are half teleri.
@@sjuyal85 These 'Children' of Adar are actually Uruk or Uruk-Hai. Literally 'Orcs of the Hand' who owed no alleigance to Sauron (his Orcs were 'Eye Orcs' anyway, look at them and you will see they wear different emblems and motifs). Orcs of the Hand eventually threw their lot in with Sarumann rather than Sauron.
Elves are hardly perfect themselves -just read the Silmarillion. And you can just imagine the atrocities (genocidal in some cases) they committed during the War of Wrath against all those they deemed servants of Morgoth -and not just against orcs and Uruks. It isn't mentioned (and no wonder) in their chronicles, but given everything Morgoth did to them and those they loved and cherished, it is hard not to think many sank into the darkness of vengeance, and slaughtered innocents along the way to ultimate victory.
The Valar army out of Valinor knew little of anything. They destroyed Beleriand to destroy Morgoth. Those who knew were the leftovers of the Noldor, the Sindar and the Edain. And they were too few and desperate.
bro i wish this show was in the perspective of sauron and the orcs, would be a far better show seeing as galadriel and elrond are basically the bad guys
Adar recognised Finrod's dagger....had Sauron had his hands on it after Finrod's death? Is that dagger behind Galadriels behaviour? Halbrand seemed pretty eager to keep it in her possession.
I see nothing wrong with eradicating roaches, nor did the Fellowship. The only one they had mercy on was Gollum, because he served a purpose. He was irredeemable. Aragon had mercy on Worm tongue too. I'm not sure that was wise. He provided information to Saruman that resulted in a lot of deaths.
He's chuckling at her asking "Where is Sauron?" because he knows he is right there with her posse. I believe he did "kill" Sauron - his blood or flesh was the missing ingredient. But Sauron - a Maia, was able to return.
The ENTIRE Third Age is her redemption arc. So given that she can descend to full Hitler mode for the whole Second Age. Leaving her roughly where Churchill ends up in history. Probably more responsible for WW2 than anyone else, but rarely blamed for it.
Weren't Orcs unique because they didn't have the Flame Imperishable burning within them? Why does Adar say they have the secret fire when the whole point is that Morgoth took away their free will?
You are misremembering, Tolkien himself went back and forth on the nature of Orcs, their souls, their ability to be redeemed and so on, he was uncomfortable with an entire species of soulless but intelligent creatures since that goes against his Catholicism, and even more uncomfortable idea with an entire species of fallen beings who are slaughtered and never given a chance at redemption given they never had a chance. He died before he could figure out an answer to that problem that he was satisfied with.
@@tevildo7718 This is what Tolkien has to say about the orcs’ chance for redemption: “(I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good)”
I don’t think it’s ever stated anywhere that orcs had no free will. They certainly appear to be making their own decisions all the time and have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, and even virtues (ie, loyalty to friends). I think the orcs have a bad temperament and are predisposed towards evil, much like sociopaths who were created by trauma in their childhood, but that doesn’t make them inherently evil and incapable of doing good. If you want to see a “good” or at least morally grey sociopath, watch The Expanse. The character named Amos was abused as a kid and became a sociopath but despite a lack of empathy or an internal moral compass he tries to do the right thing by attaching himself to morally good people. I think that given orcs’ nature, they could probably act much like Amos when they break away from darker influence. -- The alternative to redeemable orcs would have to be genocide, and I don’t think that’s something Tolkien would be comfortable with.
Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt. They were corrupted elves, Tolkien implied as much but left it to the imagination how exactly that came to be.
@@AG-vb6vv but they were already created as having the secret fire, as elves, before being corrupted. doesnt mean they lost it. there are accounts in books, though rare, of orcs discussing getting out of this kind of life of violence and oppression. they all do have names and societies and different cultures.
Talk about muddied waters. I love it, neither of them is in the right. And yet I find myself siding with the one in chains, because in this moment, and story he is less fueled by hatred. This is good writing.
@@hannesromhild8532it's cool that this show brings out the inner Nazi in people. Who knows what the orcs will do if left alone in a suitable environment.
@@crhu319 we know. The Orcs are a product of pure evil and will never do anything else. Not much moraly grey in Tolkiens work all very black and white.
If I understand it right, Galadriel should be good guy here? She is vain, despise Adar despite of knowing he was victim of Morgoth, threatens to brutally kill prisoners, acting as cruel fanatic which enjoy torture, what a role model.
@@LightLeanor19 I think he might be. Reason being, Sauron is something of a shapeshifter and his quote, "...And I am no god...at least not yet.", makes me think he may in fact be Sauron after all. Probably not, to my disappointment, but he may have taken the form of Halbrand. If not, he's probably just going to be his own charecter based on the dark elves.
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely unlike Sauron in his attitude towards the Uruks, and in his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only that is what you call everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the “King of the Southlands” was not a Maiar? @@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in relation to Uruk, and is ready to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in his attitude towards Uruk, and his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi) He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
People rip on Galadriel for going on a genocidal rant…but I doubt any of the Eldar or even the Valar were ever interested in living alongside orcs or even seeing them as victims in Morgoths twisted and pointless schemes Plus, she is un-LEARNING her own bloodthirstiness, which is a product of her trauma from the First Age. You can even see at the end of this scene that she realizes she’s gone too far and is clearly ashamed at how she keeps letting her bloodlust get the better of her And she’s hardly the only member of the House of Finwe to go completely off the rails
I disagree. At 3:55, she goes into great detail about destroying Adar's people without an ounce of remorse. Naming other elves who were off the rails doesn't excuse the fact that one of the main protagonists of this show is off the rails. I don't believe she is unlearning her arrogance and bloodthirstiness either. Arrogant characters are usually humbled in their story in order to grow (In Thor 1, he was arrogant until he was banished and had to become worthy again to lift his hammer. In Iron Man 1, Stark was arrogant and naïve until he saw how dangerous his weapons were to the planet, and created Iron Man to stop the damage he was causing, etc). Galadriel was never humbled this entire season. She won every fight, and she was never corrected for a wrong decision, she was never put down for her arrogant behavior. At the end of the season, she looks like the exact same vengeful person as the beginning. And lastly, I just don't feel the trauma she experienced. She hasn't shown any emotion over her brother's death (not to mention barely talking about her husband's death). For every time she mentions the pain of losing her brother, there are 5 times she's mentioning exacting revenge. That doesn't sound like someone experiencing grief; it frankly sounds like the writers needed to create some reason for Galadriel to go on a quest to hunt Sauron.
@@Trewq79 does she need to get beaten up for her to learn some kind of lesson? When Mount Doom erupted, you can tell on her face that she is not only realizing what a huge mistake she made, but that she's about to get a lot of people killed. And she doesn't try to run, she accepts that she might die. During her whole conversation with Theo in the next episode you can tell she's reflecting on herself and the choices she made while also giving him advice. She even cries when she sees that Tar-Miriel is blind. Feanor was far worse in my opinion. In his speech to the Noldor, he doesn't just want to defeat Morgoth and get the Silmarils back, he wants the Elves to reclaim their birthright, which is Middle Earth. That likely mean extermination of orcs and forcing Sindar, Avari, Men, and Dwarves to live under an authoritarian regime by the Noldor. And even when he realized defeating Morgoth would never happen, he still doomed all seven of his sons to stick to getting the Silmarils.
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
The point of season 1 is that galadriel is indeed correct about sauron and evil but her methods are too rash and physical, and her motives too personal and vengeful. After 5 seasons the writers want to show how she becomes galadriel the wise and fair that we see in the lord of the rings (look in the mirror). Orcs are bad but Tolkien himself struggled with the idea that they are purely evil and can't be redeemed. The show wanted to raise the issue and say, okay, we'll still show you how bad orcs are but they can also teach you about the darkness within yourself.
Elves have many reasons to hate orcs, but someone like Galadriel would likely pity one of the original orcs. The first orcs were elves, taken and tortured by Morgoth in unspeakable ways until he finally managed to corrupt them into a new species. For all its problems, the show managed to make Adar, a non canon character, enjoyable to watch. He's still clinging to his original self and the ways of the elves but he's an orc now and he can't go back to what he was. The writing for the show is godawful but there are a few highlights (Adar and the Khazad-dûm storyline). The Southlands/Mordor storyline isn't good, Adar is just the single interesting character.
they just had to make the one "orc" with a personality and honest goals look appealing and not be a horrific monster on the outside like the rest of them
She should dragged him in the SUN and made him watch as the other orcs burnt to their deaths. "Sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster."
Adar has been through a much worse than that. Maybe it would have saddened him, but certainlyt not faze him. Galadriel on the other hand would certainly find herself on the top of his kill list.
"Should"? She could have done this if he had not answered her questions and if he had not knocked her arrogance down at the end of their argument. Perhaps she had burned prisoners before, because he had no doubt that this was not an empty threat. And that would be a war crime and sadism. She might have to regret it in a future season when she encounters him again and he has his hands free.
@@LightLeanor19 No she would not have. The problem is no one wants to play the monsters role. But it is sometimes necessary to avoid grater evil in the future from arising.
She would have burned them, if only the Numenoreans had not stopped her, moreover, she swore to murder all the Uruk, without any sense or justice, because they are victims of darkness much more than she is. Do you really call it "necessary" to burn prisoners (which is a war crime) in front of someone who loves them (which is also sadism)? If you are writing this seriously, I have no comments adequate to this. She was going to torment the enemy of Sauron for killing Sauron and thus destroying her life's purpose, madness. She would have big problems if she did, and what kind of evil would it prevent if, on the contrary, it is evil itself? I can also remind you who exactly returned the "dark lord" to Middle-earth and restored his faith in himself, for which he thanks her in the end.@@wolwerine0007
It looks like my comments are disappearing here again. She would have burned them, if Numenoreans had not stopped her, moreover, she swore to destroy all the Uruk, without any sense or justice, they are victims of darkness much more than she is. Do you really call it "necessary" to burn prisoners (which is a war crime) in front of someone who loves them (which is also sadism)? If you are writing this seriously, I have no comments adequate to this. She was going to torment Sauron's enemy for killing Sauron and thus destroying her life's purpose, madness. She would have big problems if she did, and what kind of evil would it prevent if, on the contrary, it is evil itself? And I can only remind you who exactly returned the "dark lord" to Middle-earth and restored his faith in himself, for which he thanks her in the end.@@wolwerine0007
Actually this was very well done and fits her description in the books. "In him (Feanor) she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared, though she did not perceive that the shadow of the same evil had fallen upon the minds of all the Noldor, and upon her own." (J.R.R. Tolkien, Unfinished Tales) "Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she[Galadriel] fought fiercely against Feanor in defence of her mother's kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Feanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could." (J.R.R. Tolkien, Unfinished Tales). That's the description of the desire for vengeance. And she hated Sauron and his Orcs more than she had hated Feanor. "It was not until two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the dominion of Middle-earth of which she had dreamed, that her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle-earth for ever." (Unfinished Tales). Note Tolkien's choice of words. The One Ring was not THE test, it was the LAST test.
Yeah as much as i love the show an orc/elve killing sauron is be, even a weakended sauron in the second age killed the high king of the elves and the men (elendil) while beeing defeatet. No thats bs.
@@wpboddy9165 nope I think the writers are trash and that Halbrand in his stupid human form isn’t supposed to be as powerful and is able to be cut down like anyone show seems to imply that for all big characters Galadriel doesn’t even have powers
glorfindel defeated a balrog, gil-galad and elendil defeated sauron in single combat, there are many instances of maiar being defeated or outsmarted by the children of illuvatar :)
I never thought I would be rooting for the leader of a band of orcs over Galadriel. He's unironically more compassionate than she is. . . . the sad part is I don't think the writers are even aware of this.
I disagree that Galadriel is evil here and Adar is the good guy. Yes, he was an elf tortured by Souron. Yet now he was no longer an elf. He was a dark life form, seeking to destroy in the name of establishing a place for orcs - killers and murderers. It's natural to want a place in this world, but to do so by the means of destruction is primal and low. Galadriel saw true horrors in the past, horrors that made her the way she was. Her strong hatred for orcs stems from her trauma. She's a good character, portrayed as an evil one. Her motives are good, the methods maybe less so - but they're nothing compared to what Adar and his orcish friends do. Edit: to all those who pity Adar because he's a prisoner and supposed victim in this video - remember that his followers caused men fight against their own, erupted a volcano, burned and drowned vast territories.
Perhaps, but your argument here enforces a double standard. The horrors Galadriel saw that made her the way she is in this show were nothing, nothing compared to the hell that was the pits of Utumno. Everything that Galadriel had seen was also present in Utumno and Angband, but in far greater numbers. The torture endured by the first orcs was nothing to be scorned. While orcs are evil, they are tragic, at least the first. It is their nature to destroy, hammered in through millennia of pain and oppression. Their urge to destroy stems from their own trauma. A better Galadriel, perhaps one more faithful to the book, would understand this -after all, Galadriel was if nothing else skilled in reading the hearts and minds of others- and show pity rather than scorn.
Uruk fight for their home like any other people, Adar takes care of Uruk, he does not torture anyone, does not vow to kill someone to make their fathers who did nothing to him suffer, and he calls "the creation of Iluvatar" even the murderer of his "children", which looks like some kind of saintliness. Galadriel frankly enjoys the opportunity (as she believes) to cause suffering to those who have suffered from the darkness much more than she herself. She hates the one who killed Sauron more than she hates Sauron. Her reaction is completely abnormal, it is not trauma, it is sadism. Compare how Adar treats Arondir, despite the fact that Arondir inflicted a mortal wound to one of Uruk dear to Adar
Everyone saying Galadriel is supposed to be the "good guy" NO. She had a mission and she stuck to it. The mission was to eradicate evil by killing Sauron and his followers and she stuck to that mission. Her methods may have been harsh but a good leader does what is necessary to protect his people
Some guy from Germany with funny mustache made the same point. Methods were harsh but it was done to protect his race from another supposedly evil race. It's not obvious only because she doesn't have a mustache 😂
Galadriel was right. Orcs were born in sin, Morgoth as satan has twisted the elf blood line by only mockery and envy. He was unable to create only able to disfigure. The elves he has captured were tortured and inbreed them with animals ,beasts,demons to implant evil,hatred,fear in their nature. This was the biggest sin of Morgoth in the eyes of Iluvatar. orcs were beyond redemption.
"born in sin" like all humans? maybe stop using christian terms with such unchristian concepts as "unredeemable" for being born disfigured in sin. I'm not even christian but you don't appear to know what you're talking about. also they were already created as having the secret fire, as elves, before being corrupted. doesnt mean they lost it. Nowhere does it say they do. They are sentient creatures, and only Eru can make sentient life. Children of Iluvitar they remain. There are even accounts in books, though rare, of orcs discussing getting out of this kind of life of violence and oppression. they all do have names and societies and different cultures. So I'd love to see citations for your very wrathful and incongruous projections here. And citation on the elves 'being corrupted by inbreeding with beasts and demons to distort their muh bloodline' because I think you made that up. Tolkien was very vague about how the elves were corrupted.
" inbreed them with animals ,beasts,demons" What an absurd fanfiction. And Galadriel is wrong if she does not distinguish victims from torturers. She is absolutely wrong.
"Not of the flesh, but over flesh", and how this clues in Galadriel later was actually good writing on this meh show. No, I will not say it is outright bad just to join the hate train. Opinions are like assholes.
I think everyone got their point across. My only point on this particular scene can be summed up like this, “There’s death in your scent, but not in your words.” - Scratch
Well Tolkien works were like that, Plain White vs black, Good vs Evil, God vs Satan, you cant blame the movies because they were accurate to the universe they were adapting, as much as modern audiences like to not have clear heroes and villains anymore, is not really Lore-accurated to the universe of Tolkien and what it represents
Galadriel wasn’t portrayed very well. If you read the silmarilion and the lord of the rings it’s pretty clear her character is completely different. She acts like a brat hell bent on revenge and justice when in the silmarilion she’s portrayed as one of the wisest of all the eldar.
Another attempt to push the narrative that the villain is actually the good guy. Woke and Muslim style. And judging by the comments a lot of saps seem to fall for it.
well, it's like, she wants to copy, What Melkor (morghot) did to Hurin in the first age, if you know the story... I'm kinda glad I didnt watch the series, imma sticking to the books... also I can feel Galadriel, she lost her brothers and most of her kin in the first age, which She naturally blames the URUKS ansd Sauron for. The series made a mess of a story, which I kinda accepted, I won't watch but I don't have a problem with others watching it and enjoying as well, I'm completely fine with it. But what I do not like is people on the Internet, making perceptions about a character, which theY only know through, what is being shown in the series, they don't know the character's history, and how it developed, but still idk what gives them the right to decide its nature ad decide its perception for other people? and Eru didn't give life to the Uruks, he gave life to elves who were corrupted by the torture and treachery of Morghot. Much like how Saruman created Uruk hai, Eru didnt gave them life... infact Eru only gave life to dwarfs, who were not his children.
even if he's an antagonist, his point was well-made and it gives another dimension to Galadriel's darkness
He speaks of the secret fire, she of mistakes. He speaks of names, she of slaves.
Better to have the scent of death than in your words.
"""Galadriel"""
The supposed villain of this season has more redeemable qualities than the heroine
Yes this was a major theme of season 1
@@wpboddy9165 was it intentional?
@@ItSpooling_ yes obviously. It's the beginning of galadriel's 5 season character arc.
It's good writing.... they aren't cliché good guys and bad guys
@The Adjudicator There's a difference between hard headed and a gynocidal psychopath
Eru loves us for who we are
- Adar
He would not say that Iluvatar loves them. Otherwise, Iluvatar would have prevented the elves from being twisted by black magic and would not have left them to torments. The only one in Arda who loves Uruk, is ready to fight for them and sacrifice his life if necessary, is Lord Father himself. Only.
I’m super upset they’re replacing this actor, he’s did a stellar job. He’s perfect for this role
Are they replacing him, or did he leave?
@@specie44He chose to leave...
@@twistedguy102 ya i think that was a mistake
Damn that really sucks. Was hoping they could build on the positive aspects of the show but that’s a big loss
@@adamstaples9158 Indeed. I think in time he will probably come to regret it.
,,my children have no master" this line has made this urruk guy my favourite character in the show he is like ,,even if the world don't love you doesn't matter anything because
I LOVE YOU"
And this is very true!
Urruk's are just seeing adar too lead them! They love him truly!
Is it just me or does Galdriel sound like a true Nazi at the end?
she's half-noldor so honestly, she's basically half elf-nazi
So the orchs are the good guys now 😂😂😂😂😂
You aren't very bright are you 😂😂😂😂😂
@@dritanbakiaj4416 Your mommy always says (or sighs, later in bed) that I am the brightest person she ever met 🤡
@@dritanbakiaj4416 even Tolkien considered them victims, and said that even when they were attracted to evil, they could not be deemed inherently evil. You cannot judge their souls, even Tolkien had the humility to realize he could not condemn the orcs, that is a job for Illuvatar himself.
The orcs are not to blame for the dark lords turning them into what they are.
There's a scene in Schindlers list that this scene practically a one to one copy of.
Link?
@@ItSpooling_ ua-cam.com/video/I7vXc2HsMZg/v-deo.html
@@jasperhunt596 thanks mate
Bullshit .
What scene? Where can I find it in schindler's list?
Adar-Victim
Galadriel-Torturer
Guys don't you see? Galadriel is the bad guy. She literally can't let go of her hatred, refuses to go to the equivlent of heaven, and manipulates everyone into doing her bidding. She legit threatens to commit genocide just to make Adar suffer more. I thought the elves were better than this? Maybe Middle Earth needs someone like Sauron to enforce some kind of order.
Elves were crazy overall so i am not suprised
sauron for president
There you go generalizing an entire group due to the actions of a select number or in this case one. Not all elves were like Galadriel as was clearly proven in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. And try asking yourself if you would like to live under Sauron's supposed order knowing the widespread destruction and misery he brought upon the people of Middle Earth.
@@xyPERSON You are missing the point of Adar’s character.
It's ok to genocide the orks tho - a fundamentally evil race.
I'm a big fan of war-crimes galadriel
Shame this wasn't a political debate. Adar would have secured my vote with that line about the mirror. I'd have been voting for him all day. And he even loves volcanoes. A truly nice guy.
what was the sentence about "mirror"?
@@regacc3594 'It would seem I'm not the only elf alive who has been transformed by darkness. Perhaps your search for Morgoth's successor should have ended in your own mirror.'
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
@@Haazza 1. You typed all of that to miss the point completely. The point is that she basically told a progenitor of a race that she was going to force him to live through the death of every one of his children. What she did was the equivalent of telling a father you're going to slaughter his children and make him listen to the screams. No elf in Tolkiens writing would have done that ESPECIALLY not Galadriel. And 2 so many hate ROP's version of Galadriel because they butchered her character. She was never like this in any portrayal. She did not lie to make alliances or force someone into doing something he didn't want to do nor would she have ever fallen for Sauron's disguise. As a matter of fact her eyes and perception of evil were so strong even in her youth that Sauron made it a point to avoid being near her at any cost. Her character was butchered just to make her an edgy boss bitch who doesn't play by the rules.
@@dantesprophet9612 ahhh I see, thanks for the clarification
What a performance 🎭.
Seriously, Joseph Mawle was the only one I was looking forward to in this whole series.
I feel so bad for the poor uruk guy. That Galadriel rant, especially right at the end, is so blatantly hateful and full of spite that it almost knocked my socks off. Galadriel is without a doubt the number one turbo-racist of Middle-Earth.
I'm glad we get to see this side of the elves that was largely absent from the PJ films.
It wasn’t a part of Tolkien’s elves. He wrote that elves took orc POWs when they surrendered.
@@a.walker7366 considering some often killed their own kind and tossed them to the sea, I d say it depends on which elves.
@@a.walker7366 she's noldor, they definitely have a crazy streak
🤮 Oh, no. Woke self-righteousness. What stands out about it more on a given day? Its halo or its snarling, sniveling accusations? "Gollum..!" "Gollum....!" 🥱😩
My favourite scene, Adar was awesome and his message actually made sense.
Ah yes, Galadriel the genocide elf, just how I remembered her from the books. I still can't make up my mind about whether it's a good or bad writing that the antagonist's causes are presented so well in this show, to the point that the protagonist's ways of thinking seem outrageous. Same case was with the mithril thing. Durin's father was 1000% right not to mine it for the elves.
How so? Just curious
@@TurloughEccles The Mithril thing? I mean... You're a dwarven king, responsible for the fate of Your own kin and subjects, and then a representative of some other race, the only immortal race on the planet comes to You and ask for risking dwarven mortal lives in order for the elves to keep being immortal. Effectively - sacrifice Your own people so we, the elves can continue not sharing the same fate You all lesser ephemeral races have to share. And the argument of Durin is "Elrond is mah friend" as if the dwarves that will die mining Mithril are not. I mean how could they even have the audacity to ask for this?
@@grzegorzwlazo5369 wow I hadnt thought of that. Well said.
The books actually do say that the elves had a special hatred of the orcs and that they would never welcome one back, even if an orc sought redemption
@@JoeTony1995 Oh that's interesting. Concidering that Tolkien was a christian, bringing to life a deeply christian fantasy world, I believe he must have wrote it as a huge detriment towards elves. To neglect someone the possibility of redemption is a huge sin, big no no.
1:13 onwards - that choirs theme in the background is Jackson-worthy.
Adar: among the best parts of the Rings of Power, by far
Amazon, Season 2: no, he won't return
Me: ???
My sentiments exactly
He'll be, but played by another actor.
Also, I think we'll have a flashback of how he "killed" Sauron
No seriously .. he’s awesome & im really mad he won’t be back.
I never thought I'd love an orc more than an elf
Orcs, goblins ; 'monsters' are the real good ones.
I think Ray Parlour's done a great job of playing Adar, almost as good as he was in midfield for Arsenal 🙂
Haha bro Ray Parlour, big up 1998 Arsenal line up
Adar isnt wrong. The orcs excisted once for a purpose. But they are still alive and concious. Sauron only cared for power and order which he would have orcs and men united since he did gain their loyatly in rhun and haradrim.
Whenever Morgoth and Sauron weren’t around, the orcs were nothing more than bandits that harassed the lands of the Men, Dwarves, and Elves.
@@ryankwon8785 and what time would that have been? Oh yeah never because Sauron was always around. lso the Orcs were never peacefull. The Dwarfs could tell you about that so does everyone else. They just become a larger threat when under direct controll thats all.
@@hannesromhild8532 Sauron might have been around but when he was inactive, like after Isildur struck him down, the Orcs became tribal thugs and savages. Sauron hid away in Dol Guldur for centuries and was barely a threat until the events of The Hobbit.
@@michaelblower7363 Have you not heard about Angmar?
Best scene in rings of power
I'm actually sad that we can't get to see Adar win, morally, it's easier to be on his side, he's redeemable, and Galadriel is just a Straight up Monomaniac.
The Orcs are no people. They are a weapon and they could never be anything else. If left alone they would always bring war, death and nothing else. Morgoth made them to be evil there is no nuance.
Imagine making the bad guys look good.
imagine fucking up tolkiens work wich is litteraly a black and white story.
Thanks so much for uploading this! Seriously, what a scene, never thought we´ll see such a well crafted moment explaining the origins of Orcs (Tolkien's most common explanation was they were Elves deformed by Morgoth) while reminding us that every soul has its pure beginning in The One. Also, anyone wondering while Galadriel was so murderous here, not only does the show pretty much spell out the whole time how much she's lost and that she was wrong to be fuelled on grief and the wish of revenge, but her family (the House of Finarfin) was a bunch of aggressive and violent people- ever heard of the Kinslaying?
The house of finarfin was mostly calm elves and did not take part in kinslaying. Finrod was the best of them, who even threw improptu concerts for humans. Galadriel is an exception i guess.
House of Finwe (esp Feanor) on the other hand....
👍Schoen, dass hier gute Kommentare zu lesen sind, mit denen man selber Luecken schliessen kann(Finrod, Finwe,...) Ich selber"mochte"Adar. Bedenke man, dass er von Morgoth unter Pain, Gefangenschaft, wie manch andre Elben auch umgeformt, manipuliert wurde und letztlich dachte, er tut "Gutes" bzw. das Richtige. Ich selbst war mal in einer Endzeitsekte und wurde auch stark veraendert, manipuliert(nicht physisch wie die Uruks, Orks, eher in meiner Religioesitaet. ) Ich dachte auch, ich tu das Richtige. Da Addar selbst auch gequaelt wurde, hat er tiefes Mitgefuehl zu"seinen" Uruks/seinen Kindern. Etwas, was Sauron nicht hat.
@@sjuyal85 The house of Finarfin is a branch of the house of Finwe by his second wife Indis, but the house of Feanor was much quicker to anger.
The house of Finarfin was by far the most peaceful of the three main houses of the Noldor. The house of Fingolfin was renowned for its valor, the house of Feanor for it's hot-bloodedness, but the house of Finarfin was more compassionate. Also, they did not partake in the kinslaying as the children of Finarfin are half teleri.
@@sjuyal85 These 'Children' of Adar are actually Uruk or Uruk-Hai. Literally 'Orcs of the Hand' who owed no alleigance to Sauron (his Orcs were 'Eye Orcs' anyway, look at them and you will see they wear different emblems and motifs). Orcs of the Hand eventually threw their lot in with Sarumann rather than Sauron.
Mawle stole the show
Deep scene. Worth the entire series to watch this.
belive me .....its not worth ( if u are a real LotR Fan who read the Books !! )
uh no....
Best scene of the entire series.
Elves are hardly perfect themselves -just read the Silmarillion. And you can just imagine the atrocities (genocidal in some cases) they committed during the War of Wrath against all those they deemed servants of Morgoth -and not just against orcs and Uruks. It isn't mentioned (and no wonder) in their chronicles, but given everything Morgoth did to them and those they loved and cherished, it is hard not to think many sank into the darkness of vengeance, and slaughtered innocents along the way to ultimate victory.
The Valar army out of Valinor knew little of anything. They destroyed Beleriand to destroy Morgoth. Those who knew were the leftovers of the Noldor, the Sindar and the Edain. And they were too few and desperate.
Yeah they are absolutely on a traumatized revenge. Really doesn't help that they're immortal so it's personal for most of the leaders.
adar was the best thing from RoP.
Galadriels rage against Sauron was legit. His werewolves murdered her beloved elder brother Finrod!
Wise Words indeed.
bro i wish this show was in the perspective of sauron and the orcs, would be a far better show seeing as galadriel and elrond are basically the bad guys
A few millennia later, "Galadriel's Mirror" became one of her special magical abilities.
Yeah that was a nice foreshadow.
Adar was the best character in RoP by far
Adar recognised Finrod's dagger....had Sauron had his hands on it after Finrod's death? Is that dagger behind Galadriels behaviour? Halbrand seemed pretty eager to keep it in her possession.
Yeah, it could be cursed. Melted into the rings as well.
I see nothing wrong with eradicating roaches, nor did the Fellowship. The only one they had mercy on was Gollum, because he served a purpose. He was irredeemable. Aragon had mercy on Worm tongue too. I'm not sure that was wise. He provided information to Saruman that resulted in a lot of deaths.
He's chuckling at her asking "Where is Sauron?" because he knows he is right there with her posse.
I believe he did "kill" Sauron - his blood or flesh was the missing ingredient. But Sauron - a Maia, was able to return.
I feel Galadriel needs a big redemption arc if we want to arrive at the lotr Galadriel 😅
The ENTIRE Third Age is her redemption arc.
So given that she can descend to full Hitler mode for the whole Second Age.
Leaving her roughly where Churchill ends up in history. Probably more responsible for WW2 than anyone else, but rarely blamed for it.
Adar you were the best pity you left this season… you were the reason I love the show
ha I really thought he was Sauron...which woulda been fine with me
Almost like star wars where the evil killed Anakin
J. M. as Adar was the only reason I watched this show because I knew what a phenomenal actor he is
Galadriel looks like Hitler in that season. Eradicate everyone she consideres as a mistake even though they might be related.
I hope next time she look at the flowers...
The darkness never bothered me anyway!
You can tell someone did something wrong when Sauron comes across as more of a hero than Galadriel
That's me, and I still talk to my stunt double. We got very close to, may be the Doppelgangers effect.
this reminds me of schindler's list and we to believe shes the hero
It is a contented video.
Two race actually have common ground, but the stronger party didn't realize it yet
Read The Emerald Tablets... You'll see exactly what sits around the secret fire... It's no joke... This scene gives so much information...
Weren't Orcs unique because they didn't have the Flame Imperishable burning within them? Why does Adar say they have the secret fire when the whole point is that Morgoth took away their free will?
You are misremembering, Tolkien himself went back and forth on the nature of Orcs, their souls, their ability to be redeemed and so on, he was uncomfortable with an entire species of soulless but intelligent creatures since that goes against his Catholicism, and even more uncomfortable idea with an entire species of fallen beings who are slaughtered and never given a chance at redemption given they never had a chance. He died before he could figure out an answer to that problem that he was satisfied with.
@@tevildo7718 This is what Tolkien has to say about the orcs’ chance for redemption:
“(I nearly wrote 'irredeemably bad'; but that would be going too far. Because by accepting or tolerating their making - necessary to their actual existence - even Orcs would become part of the World, which is God's and ultimately good)”
I don’t think it’s ever stated anywhere that orcs had no free will. They certainly appear to be making their own decisions all the time and have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, and even virtues (ie, loyalty to friends).
I think the orcs have a bad temperament and are predisposed towards evil, much like sociopaths who were created by trauma in their childhood, but that doesn’t make them inherently evil and incapable of doing good.
If you want to see a “good” or at least morally grey sociopath, watch The Expanse. The character named Amos was abused as a kid and became a sociopath but despite a lack of empathy or an internal moral compass he tries to do the right thing by attaching himself to morally good people.
I think that given orcs’ nature, they could probably act much like Amos when they break away from darker influence.
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The alternative to redeemable orcs would have to be genocide, and I don’t think that’s something Tolkien would be comfortable with.
Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt. They were corrupted elves, Tolkien implied as much but left it to the imagination how exactly that came to be.
@@AG-vb6vv but they were already created as having the secret fire, as elves, before being corrupted. doesnt mean they lost it. there are accounts in books, though rare, of orcs discussing getting out of this kind of life of violence and oppression. they all do have names and societies and different cultures.
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Talk about muddied waters. I love it, neither of them is in the right. And yet I find myself siding with the one in chains, because in this moment, and story he is less fueled by hatred. This is good writing.
It's crap writing but Galadriel is in the right here. The Orcs are a force of evil and nothing else.
@@hannesromhild8532it's cool that this show brings out the inner Nazi in people. Who knows what the orcs will do if left alone in a suitable environment.
@@crhu319 we know. The Orcs are a product of pure evil and will never do anything else. Not much moraly grey in Tolkiens work all very black and white.
If I understand it right, Galadriel should be good guy here? She is vain, despise Adar despite of knowing he was victim of Morgoth, threatens to brutally kill prisoners, acting as cruel fanatic which enjoy torture, what a role model.
Not despise, hate, and Galadriel is angry that Uruk is morally higher and more successful than she. She is sadistic
first and second age elves were wild, read the silmarilion
its funny the guy replacing Joshep was with him in Persuasion 2009 😂
"our pronouns are uruk"
Bam!
Looks like Benjen Stark survived the Undead attack after all. Only to become not much of an improvement.
maybe the comment stuck in her and that's why she made mirror of galadriel
are they talking about how the Orcs where created?
Adar cares about the Urük and the orcs.
I felt like Adar was more of a hero than Galadriel
I'm so bummed that he bailed on season 2. Perhaps Morgoth's successor should have stayed for season 2!
He is NOT Morgoth's successor. He will be in season 2, only a different actor. (or maybe both)
@@LightLeanor19 I think he might be. Reason being, Sauron is something of a shapeshifter and his quote, "...And I am no god...at least not yet.", makes me think he may in fact be Sauron after all. Probably not, to my disappointment, but he may have taken the form of Halbrand. If not, he's probably just going to be his own charecter based on the dark elves.
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely unlike Sauron in his attitude towards the Uruks, and in his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only that is what you call everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi)
He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the “King of the Southlands” was not a Maiar?
@@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in relation to Uruk, and is ready to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi)
He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
Adar is not Sauron, he hates Sauron and killed him in the northern fortress to protect Uruk from him. He gets very angry if someone worships Sauron in front of him, and he is absolutely not like Sauron in his attitude towards Uruk, and his willingness to sacrifice himself for their good, if necessary, and in many other ways. And he is not Morgoth's successor, he hates Morgoth. He is also not a dark elf, if only you call such everyone who has not been to Valinor (Moriquendi)
He and Hal are different personalities, also he is in Mordor, and Hal is in Eregion. Do you think that the man on the raft is not a Maiar? (It looks like my comments are not saved here) @@specie44
it's my Uncle Benjen!
Why has galadrial come out looking like the villain here....
So...who is the Villain again?
What episode this?
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What is wrong with all the comments she is the good one
Genocidal and spiteful, what’s not to like
Orcs they are ugly and cruel but they have rights as much as other
People rip on Galadriel for going on a genocidal rant…but I doubt any of the Eldar or even the Valar were ever interested in living alongside orcs or even seeing them as victims in Morgoths twisted and pointless schemes
Plus, she is un-LEARNING her own bloodthirstiness, which is a product of her trauma from the First Age. You can even see at the end of this scene that she realizes she’s gone too far and is clearly ashamed at how she keeps letting her bloodlust get the better of her
And she’s hardly the only member of the House of Finwe to go completely off the rails
I disagree. At 3:55, she goes into great detail about destroying Adar's people without an ounce of remorse. Naming other elves who were off the rails doesn't excuse the fact that one of the main protagonists of this show is off the rails.
I don't believe she is unlearning her arrogance and bloodthirstiness either. Arrogant characters are usually humbled in their story in order to grow (In Thor 1, he was arrogant until he was banished and had to become worthy again to lift his hammer. In Iron Man 1, Stark was arrogant and naïve until he saw how dangerous his weapons were to the planet, and created Iron Man to stop the damage he was causing, etc). Galadriel was never humbled this entire season. She won every fight, and she was never corrected for a wrong decision, she was never put down for her arrogant behavior. At the end of the season, she looks like the exact same vengeful person as the beginning.
And lastly, I just don't feel the trauma she experienced. She hasn't shown any emotion over her brother's death (not to mention barely talking about her husband's death). For every time she mentions the pain of losing her brother, there are 5 times she's mentioning exacting revenge. That doesn't sound like someone experiencing grief; it frankly sounds like the writers needed to create some reason for Galadriel to go on a quest to hunt Sauron.
@@Trewq79 does she need to get beaten up for her to learn some kind of lesson?
When Mount Doom erupted, you can tell on her face that she is not only realizing what a huge mistake she made, but that she's about to get a lot of people killed. And she doesn't try to run, she accepts that she might die. During her whole conversation with Theo in the next episode you can tell she's reflecting on herself and the choices she made while also giving him advice. She even cries when she sees that Tar-Miriel is blind.
Feanor was far worse in my opinion. In his speech to the Noldor, he doesn't just want to defeat Morgoth and get the Silmarils back, he wants the Elves to reclaim their birthright, which is Middle Earth. That likely mean extermination of orcs and forcing Sindar, Avari, Men, and Dwarves to live under an authoritarian regime by the Noldor. And even when he realized defeating Morgoth would never happen, he still doomed all seven of his sons to stick to getting the Silmarils.
Where is he where’s SAURON
I feel like I’m the only one who actually really likes Galadriel and doesn’t see her as so morally questionable. She was the only one to recognize the darkness still lingering and growing and wanted to fight and save middle earth from it, she influenced so many people for the better. And what is all this sympathy for the orcs😂never seen this before, what is she meant to do, let them all roam free and kill everyone? The south landers were getting decimated and if it wasn’t for her persuading the people of numenor to come to aid then all the south landers would most likely be dead/enslaved. Another thing I don’t understand is the whole idea that now Sauron just wants peace and to be good and it’s Galadriel that turned him dark again - I’m so confused someone please explain this and why everyone hates Galadriel. Idk if I’m just looking at this too simple minded but I don’t get what’s wrong with her quest of wanting to destroy sauron for good and wanting to destroy all the orcs aswell like isn’t that the main plot line in LOTR and everyone is in support of that there
The point of season 1 is that galadriel is indeed correct about sauron and evil but her methods are too rash and physical, and her motives too personal and vengeful. After 5 seasons the writers want to show how she becomes galadriel the wise and fair that we see in the lord of the rings (look in the mirror). Orcs are bad but Tolkien himself struggled with the idea that they are purely evil and can't be redeemed. The show wanted to raise the issue and say, okay, we'll still show you how bad orcs are but they can also teach you about the darkness within yourself.
IDK about Sauron's journey though. Hopefully his perspective will make more sense in season 2 because right now I can't work it out either.
Ooh I see that makes sense, thanks
@@wpboddy9165Sauron is a deceiver. Everything he says is a lie. I can’t believe he deceived nearly half the fan base as a sympathetic Halbrand.
Dude, you're a Nazi.
Elves have many reasons to hate orcs, but someone like Galadriel would likely pity one of the original orcs. The first orcs were elves, taken and tortured by Morgoth in unspeakable ways until he finally managed to corrupt them into a new species.
For all its problems, the show managed to make Adar, a non canon character, enjoyable to watch. He's still clinging to his original self and the ways of the elves but he's an orc now and he can't go back to what he was.
The writing for the show is godawful but there are a few highlights (Adar and the Khazad-dûm storyline). The Southlands/Mordor storyline isn't good, Adar is just the single interesting character.
they just had to make the one "orc" with a personality and honest goals look appealing and not be a horrific monster on the outside like the rest of them
Adar was the only good character
Galadriel rly looks like a supremacist
She should dragged him in the SUN and made him watch as the other orcs burnt to their deaths. "Sometimes the world doesn't need another hero, sometimes what it needs is a monster."
Adar has been through a much worse than that. Maybe it would have saddened him, but certainlyt not faze him. Galadriel on the other hand would certainly find herself on the top of his kill list.
"Should"? She could have done this if he had not answered her questions and if he had not knocked her arrogance down at the end of their argument. Perhaps she had burned prisoners before, because he had no doubt that this was not an empty threat. And that would be a war crime and sadism. She might have to regret it in a future season when she encounters him again and he has his hands free.
@@LightLeanor19 No she would not have. The problem is no one wants to play the monsters role. But it is sometimes necessary to avoid grater evil in the future from arising.
She would have burned them, if only the Numenoreans had not stopped her, moreover, she swore to murder all the Uruk, without any sense or justice, because they are victims of darkness much more than she is.
Do you really call it "necessary" to burn prisoners (which is a war crime) in front of someone who loves them (which is also sadism)? If you are writing this seriously, I have no comments adequate to this. She was going to torment the enemy of Sauron for killing Sauron and thus destroying her life's purpose, madness. She would have big problems if she did, and what kind of evil would it prevent if, on the contrary, it is evil itself? I can also remind you who exactly returned the "dark lord" to Middle-earth and restored his faith in himself, for which he thanks her in the end.@@wolwerine0007
It looks like my comments are disappearing here again. She would have burned them, if Numenoreans had not stopped her, moreover, she swore to destroy all the Uruk, without any sense or justice, they are victims of darkness much more than she is.
Do you really call it "necessary" to burn prisoners (which is a war crime) in front of someone who loves them (which is also sadism)? If you are writing this seriously, I have no comments adequate to this. She was going to torment Sauron's enemy for killing Sauron and thus destroying her life's purpose, madness. She would have big problems if she did, and what kind of evil would it prevent if, on the contrary, it is evil itself? And I can only remind you who exactly returned the "dark lord" to Middle-earth and restored his faith in himself, for which he thanks her in the end.@@wolwerine0007
Is this series of the Nerd of the Rings
is the mormons of the rings. with some woke elements springgled
So…. This is what Rings of Power did to Galadriel? Gross.
Actually this was very well done and fits her description in the books.
"In him (Feanor) she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared, though she did not perceive that the shadow of the same evil had fallen upon the minds of all the Noldor, and upon her own." (J.R.R. Tolkien, Unfinished Tales)
"Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she[Galadriel] fought fiercely against Feanor in defence of her mother's kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Feanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could." (J.R.R. Tolkien, Unfinished Tales). That's the description of the desire for vengeance. And she hated Sauron and his Orcs more than she had hated Feanor.
"It was not until two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the dominion of Middle-earth of which she had dreamed, that her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle-earth for ever." (Unfinished Tales). Note Tolkien's choice of words. The One Ring was not THE test, it was the LAST test.
Yeah as much as i love the show an orc/elve killing sauron is be, even a weakended sauron in the second age killed the high king of the elves and the men (elendil) while beeing defeatet. No thats bs.
She's supposed to be the hero of this story, is she? Like saying Amon Goeth is the hero of Schindler's List.
There's a great video comparing her to that exact character.
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How did an Elf Kill a Maiar it doesn’t make sense.
He didn't, he's mistaken clearly
@@wpboddy9165 nope I think the writers are trash and that Halbrand in his stupid human form isn’t supposed to be as powerful and is able to be cut down like anyone show seems to imply that for all big characters Galadriel doesn’t even have powers
@@windingroadelven your grammar is incomprehensible. Try again.
@@wpboddy9165 what a fool you are.
glorfindel defeated a balrog, gil-galad and elendil defeated sauron in single combat, there are many instances of maiar being defeated or outsmarted by the children of illuvatar :)
I never thought I would be rooting for the leader of a band of orcs over Galadriel. He's unironically more compassionate than she is. . . . the sad part is I don't think the writers are even aware of this.
That was very purposefully the point of season 1.
@@wpboddy9165 I hope so. When season 2 comes out, we'll see.
I disagree that Galadriel is evil here and Adar is the good guy.
Yes, he was an elf tortured by Souron. Yet now he was no longer an elf. He was a dark life form, seeking to destroy in the name of establishing a place for orcs - killers and murderers. It's natural to want a place in this world, but to do so by the means of destruction is primal and low.
Galadriel saw true horrors in the past, horrors that made her the way she was. Her strong hatred for orcs stems from her trauma. She's a good character, portrayed as an evil one. Her motives are good, the methods maybe less so - but they're nothing compared to what Adar and his orcish friends do.
Edit: to all those who pity Adar because he's a prisoner and supposed victim in this video - remember that his followers caused men fight against their own, erupted a volcano, burned and drowned vast territories.
Morgoth.
@@tauIrrydah Morgoth was before
Perhaps, but your argument here enforces a double standard. The horrors Galadriel saw that made her the way she is in this show were nothing, nothing compared to the hell that was the pits of Utumno. Everything that Galadriel had seen was also present in Utumno and Angband, but in far greater numbers. The torture endured by the first orcs was nothing to be scorned. While orcs are evil, they are tragic, at least the first. It is their nature to destroy, hammered in through millennia of pain and oppression. Their urge to destroy stems from their own trauma. A better Galadriel, perhaps one more faithful to the book, would understand this -after all, Galadriel was if nothing else skilled in reading the hearts and minds of others- and show pity rather than scorn.
In my opinion, they are all tragic monsters in their own way, but at least Adar owns up to it. Galadriel justifies genocide as a righteous crusade.
Uruk fight for their home like any other people, Adar takes care of Uruk, he does not torture anyone, does not vow to kill someone to make their fathers who did nothing to him suffer, and he calls "the creation of Iluvatar" even the murderer of his "children", which looks like some kind of saintliness. Galadriel frankly enjoys the opportunity (as she believes) to cause suffering to those who have suffered from the darkness much more than she herself. She hates the one who killed Sauron more than she hates Sauron. Her reaction is completely abnormal, it is not trauma, it is sadism. Compare how Adar treats Arondir, despite the fact that Arondir inflicted a mortal wound to one of Uruk dear to Adar
Sauron is peronist
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Everyone saying Galadriel is supposed to be the "good guy" NO. She had a mission and she stuck to it. The mission was to eradicate evil by killing Sauron and his followers and she stuck to that mission. Her methods may have been harsh but a good leader does what is necessary to protect his people
Some guy from Germany with funny mustache made the same point.
Methods were harsh but it was done to protect his race from another supposedly evil race.
It's not obvious only because she doesn't have a mustache 😂
@@dominiknewfolder2196he was right that evil race he was eliminating is the same as the orcs of mordor
Galadriel was right. Orcs were born in sin, Morgoth as satan has twisted the elf blood line by only mockery and envy. He was unable to create only able to disfigure. The elves he has captured were tortured and inbreed them with animals ,beasts,demons to implant evil,hatred,fear in their nature. This was the biggest sin of Morgoth in the eyes of Iluvatar. orcs were beyond redemption.
"born in sin" like all humans? maybe stop using christian terms with such unchristian concepts as "unredeemable" for being born disfigured in sin. I'm not even christian but you don't appear to know what you're talking about. also they were already created as having the secret fire, as elves, before being corrupted. doesnt mean they lost it. Nowhere does it say they do. They are sentient creatures, and only Eru can make sentient life. Children of Iluvitar they remain. There are even accounts in books, though rare, of orcs discussing getting out of this kind of life of violence and oppression. they all do have names and societies and different cultures.
So I'd love to see citations for your very wrathful and incongruous projections here. And citation on the elves 'being corrupted by inbreeding with beasts and demons to distort their muh bloodline' because I think you made that up. Tolkien was very vague about how the elves were corrupted.
" inbreed them with animals ,beasts,demons" What an absurd fanfiction. And Galadriel is wrong if she does not distinguish victims from torturers. She is absolutely wrong.
"Not of the flesh, but over flesh", and how this clues in Galadriel later was actually good writing on this meh show.
No, I will not say it is outright bad just to join the hate train. Opinions are like assholes.
I think everyone got their point across. My only point on this particular scene can be summed up like this, “There’s death in your scent, but not in your words.” - Scratch
More depth in 4:46 than in 6 fucking films. Say what you want about this show but it is not a mindless black/white, good/bad stupid story like TLOTR.
Well Tolkien works were like that, Plain White vs black, Good vs Evil, God vs Satan, you cant blame the movies because they were accurate to the universe they were adapting, as much as modern audiences like to not have clear heroes and villains anymore, is not really Lore-accurated to the universe of Tolkien and what it represents
Galadriel wasn’t portrayed very well. If you read the silmarilion and the lord of the rings it’s pretty clear her character is completely different. She acts like a brat hell bent on revenge and justice when in the silmarilion she’s portrayed as one of the wisest of all the eldar.
Another attempt to push the narrative that the villain is actually the good guy. Woke and Muslim style. And judging by the comments a lot of saps seem to fall for it.
@@anni.68 As if Tolkien wasn't a religious zealot himself. With a God complex. They all share the same kind of narcissism.
Copy dialogue!
well, it's like, she wants to copy, What Melkor (morghot) did to Hurin in the first age, if you know the story... I'm kinda glad I didnt watch the series, imma sticking to the books... also I can feel Galadriel, she lost her brothers and most of her kin in the first age, which She naturally blames the URUKS ansd Sauron for. The series made a mess of a story, which I kinda accepted, I won't watch but I don't have a problem with others watching it and enjoying as well, I'm completely fine with it. But what I do not like is people on the Internet, making perceptions about a character, which theY only know through, what is being shown in the series, they don't know the character's history, and how it developed, but still idk what gives them the right to decide its nature ad decide its perception for other people?
and Eru didn't give life to the Uruks, he gave life to elves who were corrupted by the torture and treachery of Morghot. Much like how Saruman created Uruk hai, Eru didnt gave them life...
infact Eru only gave life to dwarfs, who were not his children.
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