THE NEW 2023 450 XCF-W AND EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT IT
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- we finally got our greezy throttle sausages on the new 450 and it was so worth the wait.
for those riders who need what this bike has - it's the ideal Goldilocks machine
6 speed wide ratio trans
196 watt electrics
open mapping and exhaust
desert ready
450 power
if this bike had some dreams for itself they'd probably be:
get suspension tuned by Taco Moto
stick on some super sick Taco Moto graphics
mount up a bright as hell baja designs dual light set up
mousse
larger fuel tank
enter the baja 1000
take the class win
relax on the beach
in summary - this new bike has the head and piston of the 500/501 and a unique camshaft
electrics of the 500
no emissions (red sticker)
450XCF-W, 500 XCF-W, 500 EXC-F, 450 SXF COMPARISON CHART
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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Another excellent video, thank you for the rootbeer candy included in my last order,
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I have been waiting for this review since it was released!
Thanks for the great video! I just got my 2023 Husqvarna FE450 (very similar minus PDS) in late July. I definitely made the right choice and look forward to your support of this bike. Keep the vids. Coming
Great report!! Love my 2013 450XC-W, tagged for the street and it rips.
Thanks for walking us around the bike and showing us what it's got. Excellent video. 💪😃👍
Another wicked informative video. Even tho I don't have a 2023 bike it still has alot of info that applies to my bike and where it stands in the ktm lineup. I specifically like all the stuff about the exhaust. Nothing else out there like your videos, thank you!
Great information! I learned so much. Thanks!
I got mine at the end of July and I love it. I am really impressed with it in single track. I’ve left the engine and suspension alone for now (besides setting sag). I’ve added protection mods, IMS tank, and headlight (Rigid Adapt) so far. May add a voyager pro but other than that it’s pretty damn good for now.
What a time to be addicted to dirt bikes!
A lot of great info 👍
Partly, thanks to you and your videos, my new therapist is a Husky FE501. Enjoy all your videos very much.
Thanks Mike! great info as always
Thanks for the most in depth report on this amazing machine. I’m loving my 2021 KTM 500 XCF-W for primarily singletrack, but can see the need for a livelier motor and stiffer suspension for when the terrain opens up for higher speeds. Is Husqvarna going to offer a similar hot rod 450 with linkage rear suspension? I have been unimpressed with the relatively low power output of their recent FE 450’s. My 2016 FE 501 was very strong ( and bulletproof) with a few inexpensive mods. While a lot heavier, it was considerably more stable at higher speeds than my PDS 2021 500 XCF-W.
Finally! Been waiting for this video.
Thorough and informative, thank you!
Looking forward to a rally conversion Mike. I'd love to see all the things I did wrong on my build.
And thanks for the stickers BTW. You rock!
Huge thank you for the video!!!
My daughter rocks a 15 450 XC-f, she is hinting about a 6th gear(thats what Dads are for...Right?)
I'm sending her the link to this video, I can sell her on a newer bike, gets a 6th gear, and she will still have the Orange frame, LOL!
A 450xc-f is a little over my head in the power game, fatiguing is real. I'd like something with more snap than a 500, I should get a 450 W too!!!
Can't wait to see how you build , and get updates on your in house suspensions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got one a few months ago and put on some 17”s and street tires it’s so much fun, it’s easy to plate in Missouri too
awesome review!!!
Excellent review! I have a 2023 Husqvarna FE450. Basically, it's the same but with link suspension. What I like best is the linear power delivery and luggability. It's almost hard to kill the motor. I ride everything from open trails to tight woods single-track, and it handles it all like a champ. I know I have the right bike because I really don't have to do anything to it to ride like I want to.
I will be checking out a Taco Moto dual sport kit to connect trails. (If it's available? ) It's easy to plate in Minnesota.
Thanks for all the great information!!
Great video ,I have the 22 xcf w 350 and I know what you mean by the 350 and low end. I really like the bike but but wish I had a bit more low end , I love single track and enduro. I’m considering picking up one of these , do you have any recommendations?
Bought one last wednesday, and what a killer machine. Finally we get a proper, full fat 4 stroke enduro bike from KTM North America. Too bad we don't get the 250 and 350 as well.
Some say they’re coming
That looks like a sweet ride. I love my 500 EXCF, but would have a lot of fun with that short-stroke punchy motor.
Have you ridden the Beta 430/480 Race Editions? I wonder how they compare to the KTM W or Husky FE 450s.
I had a 2008 KTM 450xcr-w that was a great bike for tight trails although heavier than I like so I ended up purchasing a 300xcw tpi which is great for the style riding I do. Great torque, never flames out, and easy to work on. Best thing IMO that I’ve ever thrown a leg over and I’ve had every make and model dirt bike since the 70’s. My 2 cents…
Easy to work on ? The odd design means there are three plugs to remove to change the oil.
@@maxflight777 Lay it on it’s side with an extension tube for oil changes. Nothing to it…
This is basically the off-road bike that KTM wishes they could sell across the off-road range from a tuning and emissions. EXC and XCFW.
This is the best most informative video to date. Mine should be here in a couple of weeks I want to street legal it. Is your kit available already?
Great info Mike!
i got a 2010 450 xcw and it has crazy power for the trails
What about adding a Scotts Steering Stablizer? My 15 500 exc definitely needed one
I’m curious how it compares to the 250-300 2T? In the latest equivalent variations and applications especially the desert race scenario.
What about gearing? Sprocket sizes? and Chain guards?
Nice job, Taco Mike.... Sounds like a winner...
I’d love one of those! Might even get one!
What do you think about putting the 44mm TB on it?
Great vid!
Does this 450 have the same subframe as 500? Wondering if I can mount top/tail rack for a rollie
Would it be worth it to swap the sxf or xcf header onto the excf models?
I agree about the 350 xcw. I owned one and didn't understand why KTM didn't put torque cams in it. It's suppose to be a woods bike.
curious how this compares to the BETA 430
@Taco Mike, you mentioned this new 450 enduro model has many applications, Rally, Trail, Desert. The 500EXC-F is popular because it's also an all-rounder, including many who use it as a lightweight adv bike, connecting trails with 75mph pavement stretches yet still great for the more challenging BDRs and single track. In places where it's easy to plate a dirt bike, do you think this platform with its unique power delivery characteristics will also fill this niche? great video, looking forward to the build!
Be interesting to see if the engine holds up as well as 500s with higher power output (usually equating to shorter engine life, but the 500s last so long, maybe we'll never see?)
Got this bike on order! And I don’t live in California! Can’t wait to ride it
what is the stator power of the 350 exc-f? Awesome video Mike, itd be cool if you could do the same video again for 2024 as well as comparing to any 250/350's also - that would be a comprehensive all in one enduro/dual sport/competition austrian moto bike video!
All of the injected 350/450/500/501 enduro bikes all have the same power output for all years
Dude what stand is that? My back needs it lol. Great Information!!
Scissor high lift
And how do you like this compared to a 350 XWF? The ‘24 model seems to have all the street kit items on it. Does that make it less attractive compared to a 300 XCW?
Got mine in July!!
Is there a more motocross setup one could do with this bike? I know it's not meant for it but would like to ride track a couple of times
So it’s possible to add 6th gear to a 21 xcf or Husky FX 450?
Great video lots of good info!!
Absolutly
I’m buying either the 500 or this 450 and I can’t decide which one to get. I live in America (not California) so I can plate it in my state.
Can anyone tell me why the 500 would be better to get?? I do mainly off roading but want street legal bc sometimes we have to ride to the next trail etc. 🤔
i had a 2010 isde version , fun bike the suspension was lacking a little.
How does this compare to a yz450fx? I ride my yz450fx HARD and FAST, but can't buy a new one in CA.
Is the ECU locked?
Bought one a month ago. Swapped out the muffler for fmf seemed to help power across the board. All my other bikes are XCF so struggling with the PDS setup at this point. Ride alot of desert and single track here in Vegas. Overall happy with the bike , I feel like first gear is extremely low and will swap back to a 50 tooth sprocket. I think as this bike gets higher in the revs it doesnt pull hard, seems to fall off high in the revs. ECU in my near future and find a suspension guy that is familiar with PDS.
Good feedback
Reach out to Taco Moto for remedies to all issues mentioned
Oh great so it still has some power pulled out of the top end from the stock ECU for noise regs then? Ugh finally thought it was a totally uncorked W bike!!
Not sure if you tried this but in map 2 I have noticed that it is a good bit faster maybe that will have better top end but you probably have tried that. Hope this helps!
I'd Love to see some GoPro footage of this bike ripping in the desert.
EXCF is very differently known in many countries. I'm based in australia. I have the 2020 KTM 450 EXC-F. And it is exact same thing you have on your stand. Excluding the colours & orange frame. None of those emissions pieces or 02 system attached, no blinkers, no tail section. No reeds in the intake. No cheese grate on the exhaust. Thats what u get in Australia, and most commonly used for offroad competition. Australian/EU EXCF is americas XCFW
Ok, so where in Arizona is Taco Moto store?
I want to visit the store!
hey question would you get the 500 xcf-w 2022 or the 450 xcf-w 2023 . just trail riding older guy thanks
I’m in the same boat. Can’t figure out which to buy…
Is the 2023 450 xcfw “Ice cream cone” easily removable?
Why are the o2 sensors always removed when the motorcycles are converted for offroad riding?
Wouldn't it actually make much more sense to leave the probe in, just to monitor the injection system or to detect a wrong fuel mixture (too rich or too lean), like a wrong fuel pressure or a torn intake manifolt?
Or is there a good reason why manufacturers dont use the probe for offroad riding?
Any way to mellow out power on the 450 xcf-w? Maps, etc? Does it come with a map switch? Thanks from 48-yr old MN rider.
This is most in depth coverage of 450 xcfw!
It has a switch for 2 maps and also a traction control switch
I'm terrified of a MX 450 power, I love the 250f MX power. This bike is right in between power wise and pretty perfect for me. I've had it on a motocross track twice now as well, and the suspension and power were good enough for the average double out there. I'm really happy with how well rounded this is at my skill level.
Because the 450 xcf-w has the same transmission as the 500 and the engine characteristics of the 450 are different is the stock sprocket sizes the same as the 500 or is it geared lower? If not do you think any changes up or down would be beneficial?
Never mind I was almost done with the video when I wrote the comment should have finished the video lol 14/52. Thanks for the video 👍
I’m goina go the Fe 450 route….and put a clake one lite on it.
So no real power restrictions in the stock ECU as far as you can tell?? It sounds like you are only going to hop it up for more power to race and not to deal with US restrictions like on the 2022 XCFW.
No such thing as a red sticker for 2022+ bikes in Commie-fornia. Green or closed course only. No registration for non-green sticker bikes.
Time to move…
Just reg in SD. Cheaper anyway
Looking at a ‘23 500 EXCF. Would it be better to wait for the updated chassis on the ‘24’s?
My next 500 will be a 24
@@TACOMOTOCO I shouldn’t of asked. Lol. I finally made my mind up to buy this bike. I was going to call the dealer this morning to tell him I wanted it. Now……… I might have to wait.
Have you heard if there going to change the Frame on the 2024 EXC F 500 to the one they did on the 2023 xc 300? Any other potential changes? Reason I am asking am dont want to get the 23 exc f 500 if the 24 will have a better frame. Not that there is anything wrong with the current one. Thanks Love your Videos.
Man, so glad I am back in Europe cause here you buy a 500 EXC, remove the emission unlock the ECU and flash it at the dealer with an unrestricted map and boom you have a 500 with a plate and fully capable without the GET/Vortex expensive ECU's. And if you buy an Akrapovic then you can upload the Akra map since the ECU is unlock. All that at the dealer. Same for Australia.
So what.
@@tomcorle1400 it means you have an EXC with an XCF (open engine) street legal from the dealer. Without spending additional money. If you were dual sporting you would know how big of a deal it is.
@@mototrailz can we all send you our ECU's from our 500 and have you take them in to get them flashed for us? 😁
@@jimmycrowell8854 USA ECU are flagged EPA...so no 😉
@@mototrailz bummer, is it possible to buy a European ECU and have them shipped over or are they guarded in some way by KTM. just seems like the GET options for $1k are ridiculous to me.
My AUS model 500 has the resonator at the outlet end and no screen.Hmmm...!.
Quick question do u have any info on the 2023 500 xcf w any help would be appreciated
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UM1R_liplwJMMrEciEBUdEBxbgkQ7eHUbmv0gOuwDJg/edit
How do you like this compared to a 250 or 300 XCW 2 stroke?
We don’t care for a 2t bike so we’re not a fair source for an answer
This would be at the top of my list if I was looking for an off road only 4 stroke. Unfortunately,as you know, this bike can't be registered in California or legally ridden on public land so it's a no go. But it's got everything I'd be looking for with the exception of a spark arrestor which is no big deal. So I have the next best thing. A fully uncorked 22 350excf and I'm completely happy with it. And I sold my 17 500excf to my son so he's happy too. Are the suspension settings, as in valving, the same as the excf and xcwf bikes?
Todd what would you say is the major difference between the 500 and 350 power wise? why did you prefer the 350 over the 500
@@jimmycrowell8854 I really got the 350 because I got a fantastic deal on it. Paid just over 11k out the door for it. I like both bikes but the power is different, obviously. The 500 has a big hit right off the bottom. Then it goes a little flat through the midrange before another nice rush of power up top. The 350 has torque down low too just not as much as the 500. Then the power just builds through the midrange and into the top. I would say the 350 midrange might even be stronger than the 500. The 350 also has a lot of power up top. The 500 vibrates more too. If you like massive torque down low, get the 500. If you like a more linear powerband that pulls forever, get the 350. I think the 500 is better if you're going to be on the road more than 10 percent of the time but I think the 350 is a better "pure dirt bike". It's a little lighter and it handles better.
@@toddkurtz1468 that's a good overall description thanks. what kind of fuel mods did you do to either bike or are they stock. I have heard that the EXC line can be quite dossal without a new ECU or fuel programer
@@jimmycrowell8854 Both bikes have a jd tuner and an end cap to open up the exhaust. Also pulled the reeds, which really didn't add much power with the 500. They both actually ran pretty good stock but I did have a few flameouts stock.
@@toddkurtz1468 how much difference did the JD tuner make?
They've got these for sale new in Johnstown, PA for $8k ! $2k less than a 350 EXC-F. I'm considering getting this and making street legal, but I'm not sure...
That’s what I got mine for
Any left? Where?
What year model?
Keep up the ktm videos love it!!!!
Mine came with 13/52 gearing. Going to change it to 14/50.
Mine came 13/52 also. Changed to 14/52. Wondering how 14/50 worked out for you?
@@Louiektm works very well for DS and ST use.
How many HP on the Dyno? Is it just as peppy as the moto bikes?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UM1R_liplwJMMrEciEBUdEBxbgkQ7eHUbmv0gOuwDJg/edit
How is this a red sticker bike for california if the vin doesn't have a 3 or a C, I checked my local dealer and they have one with what a presumed green sticker vin would look like.
Good question. I want to know too. I've been hearing these bikes not having red sticker vin but no answer to the outcome.
They don't have the expansion chamber header pipe like the xc version?
It’s not the same engine in the mx bike
@@TACOMOTOCO Since I have a 500exc thats working great for everything I do, I was thinking of getting a dirt only bike and was considering the 450XC for the light weight. Maybe be better off with a new 250XC-TBI and gear it down a little.
That looks like an awesome bike but trust me people, if you like to push your bikes you will NOT like these forks. They need work. I went WP 6500..all said and done front and rear valved to your weight your lookin another 2k plus. Sucks but is what it is.
It blows my mind how much Americans have to deal with these ''street legal functions'' Over here in Europe we get uncorked bikes from the factory. No ECU tuning, no nothing. Bikes run rich enough to run a pipe without having to adjust air/fuel ratio. I've been running my 2019 450EXC with the stock map and Akrapovic for 250 hours, stock top end, never opened up. Cops don't care about turn signals or blinkers either. As long as you have plates fitted.. you're good to go
Swapping a con rod won’t change the stroke ! 😂 13:41
(Other comments you made tell me you don’t understand engines)
It’s called a spark arrester!
We don’t need any of that bollocks here in the uk. A number plate and a brake light and were off! 😂
How well do you think the 450 would work as a Street Supermoto?
Should be alright. Its got the 6 speer trans, which is whats great on these bike. 5 speed trans suck on road/sumo
Incredible
I just picked mine up today.I’m beginning a Supermoto street legal build to compliment my 300 xcw Supermoto
Adding my Dubya Supermoto wheels this weekend and I picked up the Pirelli Diablo Rosso III tires. Great review Mike and Dan from TruNorth Motos was spot on in his assessment! This bike is a Unicorn for 2023!
To me it seems as if it’s identical to the 450 XCF with the exception of having a 6-speed. That’s my elevator pitch to someone who asks me what the difference is. Plus has a thermostat and fan. 🤷🏻♂️
Take a look at the differences
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UM1R_liplwJMMrEciEBUdEBxbgkQ7eHUbmv0gOuwDJg/edit
No linkage, coil spring forks, wide ratio trans, lower compression, smaller throttle body, cam profile, heavier crank and flywheel, more powerful stator, completely different fuel and ignition maps. I'm definirely missing some stuff, but they are vastly different machines in both design and performance.
@@TACOMOTOCO Pretty good list of differences in that table. Maybe add piston shape/construction and rotating engine mass to the table? You mentioned it in the video and would help people understand one of the key differences.
What about camshaft and valve timing?
@@mikeb4708 guessing it’s the same as the 450 SXF/XCF but only an assumption of mine.
Worth turning this into a sumo? Def not as a daily
I am right now
That rock stuck on the tire bugs me for some reason. Kept asking myself why doesn't he flip that thing off the tire...
He worked hard to earn that little spot so why not reward his effort w a little bit of fame
Wait. Changing the connecting rod by itself will not make it into a 500 or visa versa. It would require a whole new crank.
Yes thanks for the clarification
Great video other than you walking around the bike makes me nauseous!
Good this you can just listen to it
Rally Bike!!!
race bike in euorpe for 20 year
Make some beta parts!
We have this pump now and more beta stuff in the pipeline
@@TACOMOTOCO
You rock
But I can rip my 500excf on the streets 😂
👍👍👍♥️😍
after doing some research into some of KTM's Bikes, I am going to wait for the 2024 yz450fx. much better build quality and way way cheaper. seems KTM outsources a lot of their stuff, ie China and it is crap. expensive crap
I want a Enduro I can jump the piss out of... ?
Please don't make it louder.
First .... BLUMPY??? 🤔