Just as an FYI the ACMOC club is investigating producing these, but to squatch’s point there are lots of variations of them. We do know there is demand for them and we have acquired some original drawings from Cat as we continue the process of producing them to make them as accurate as possible. Thanks
Hopefully it happens. I know my 1956 D4 7U is in dire need of some undercarriage work. Even just using one of these gauges as a quick reference guide, is better than nothing. Especially with the current costs of everything.
As far as a D2 tool goes, you could photocopy the one you have and people could use it to fashion their own version out of wood, metal, or even cardboard. I'd think someone who needed one would be willing to pay $10 or $20 for your trouble.
It seems to be that way with motorcycle chains ,don't take a link out when you're at the end of adjustment, replace the chain and reverse the sprockets direction if possible you can get good mileage out of each if you do take a link out reverse chain direction in a pinch. But a worn chain can eat the sprockets pretty quickly....
You are spot on, you’d make a good teacher! People need to learn every education comes with a cost, but you’re learning something! I swear these machines will talk to you if you’ll stop and listen. Just take a minute and it’ll tell you a story like you dreamed about. There’s a tell tale to everything. Keep up the good work, I love learning!
I, would of like to of had him for some help in my past I spent about 38 years, most of it in field service for Cat dealer coal, power plants , pipeline work .but kinda glad that's all in the rear , joints are all little tired
With your extensive knowledge and experience, you could carry a CAT briefcase and travel further than 50 miles from home to be a "Certified D2 Consultant". :-) Have you thought of writing a "Guide to Purchasing Old CAT Crawlers"?
Great information! Hopefully that answers a lot of people’s questions! As for me! I never question your work, I just enjoy every episode!👌😎👍but never the less is great information!
Still good info. Good explanation too about rail pin wear and pin/sprocket interference. Information you can use to analyze even newer equipment, not just the old D2s and D4s.
@@squatch253 if you had a junker you could take it and use a cutoff wheel length-wise on it and then section it where it goes from solid to hollow. probably used a tubing and stubs then OD ground the whole thing once it was welded fully giving the illusion of it being one piece and saving a little weight without sacrificing strength. I do know that the shaft is like 3" OD. The monkeys run the asylum in my head as well. LOL
It's a 2d part.... Scan it, mark one known dimension. Done. After that anybody can import into their preferred application and start cutting or printing material.
Hey Toby, Great Video as usual. Does Senior have a video he can share? When both of you are hitting on Winter projects, you make for excellent shop videos. Keep them coming sir.
You could put your gauge in a scanner next to a ruler, and then somebody could make a 3D model of it - for yet someone else to cast a replica of - considering shrinkage
How dare you be efficient by making one video instead of replaying to all of us. HOW DAAAAARE YOU. /s Great info as always. I'll never use it, but it is so fascinating to know/learn. Dumb question... just how much new/old stock is there out there? I find it amazing/fascinating you still are finding these parts made 50 years ago new in a box. Just how much did cat over produce parts??
Looks like a good candidate for a 3D printing project. If thing wood/cardboard will hold up, ABS should hold up even better. These days, this kind of stuff should be a 3d model away. :)
Well that kind of sucks, but in my case it might be better if I don't put a guage to my tracks......I know the poor ol 6U is worn down (dare I say "sacked out"), but I'm not ready to see just how worn down it is for certain. Thanks for the info though, it helps a lot. I always learn something new from your videos.
If someone could find those gauges and scan it to a computer then you could make a printed copy on paper that way you could print it off for use then if it gets lost you just print a new one
Quick question, what is new grouser height spec? Thanks as always for helping all of us out and for making the videos you do. Never disappointed and still excited for uploads. Take care.
Think Toby was just suggesting that if the grousers are short, or have already been replaced, you may want to take a REAL close look at the rest of the machine. It may have excessive wear in other areas, too.
If I could get my hands on one I could do a pretty big batch on my cnc millin machine. I could send them as blanks so people could paint and label themselves.
Should be really easy to create a 3D model and run on a 3d printer. Just take a pic from above, have the x/y dimensions and use the picture to model conversion tool and then select a practical thickness. Are doable even in simple tools such as tinkercad iircc.
I know at one time my dad had a complete track rebuild done pins and bushings plus new weld on sprockets that was done in the mid 60 I believe plus he had main bearings and seals put in and a valve job done on it then like a year later he split the old girl and replaced the main clutch
I don't have that much knowledge on CAT rollers and undercarriage but this is something i noticed with the Soviet Version aka T-100M. Most of the wear accumulates over time and sometimes it has to do with the operator. Was the man operating the machine doing the maintenance or he was slacking off or did not care for the machine at all. Also we have -21 Celsius outside and lot of snow.
Toby, did I miss some info? What is going on with X231? Was good progress for awhile then it sort of ended and not I do not even see it in the shop, are you planning on getting back on that one? I know you are busy just wondering.
Would be easy to get those reproduced. All one would need to do is send that gauge you have into a photocopier send it to a gentleman who knows how to use CAD and has a plasma table. I assume you're from the states or else i would know a guy who could help.
It doesn't seem like the tolerances are all that tight... With the variation of sizes/specs being described for the D4 and up, I'd think this is the perfect time for the CAT club to get some of the variants drawn up based on the tool shown and 3D-Print these things or send out the STL/VRML files so the group could print their own. Or, if folks wanted something more durable, have the run on a plasmaCAM table.
@@squatch253 I was thinking about this after your response. I know Pratt & Whitney made a LOT of go/no-go gauge tools for the railroad. Any chance they made any for CAT? Has anyone looked into that?
James Blackwell. Does the icon by your name mean you are a “Team Squatch” member. Squatch sent me a link to the subscriber page but I still can’t figure out how to watch the Member videos. Any help?
People in the comments talking about reproducing those gauges with laser cutters and 3d printers, I have both of those tools cleverly disguised as a jigsaw.
Just get some graphing paper and snap a photo and put the scale on it. PDF upload and anybody can print to make out of there material of choice or even 3D print it.
A problem begging for a solution Be nice if someone made a program that let's you enter dimension and then give you a template you can use to make your own
So ACMOC haven't released this gauge yet on their page (1 year later). What are the chances at this point of getting a drawing of the gauge uploaded with a scale in one of the ACMOC discussions or something? I also noticed that they no longer sell the gauge faces for the D2's, does anyone have any spares laying around? Im trying to find a full set.
@squatch253 Thanks for the quick reply mate, I am actually in Western Australia, so this works perfectly for me. One part I wont get stung an import tax on. Good work on the awesome video's too, great content and great to see all the problems and potential solutions before I run into them.
Just as an FYI the ACMOC club is investigating producing these, but to squatch’s point there are lots of variations of them. We do know there is demand for them and we have acquired some original drawings from Cat as we continue the process of producing them to make them as accurate as possible. Thanks
I want one for the D47U
Great news!
Any chance to share the Cat drawings ?
Awesome news!
Hopefully it happens. I know my 1956 D4 7U is in dire need of some undercarriage work. Even just using one of these gauges as a quick reference guide, is better than nothing. Especially with the current costs of everything.
As far as a D2 tool goes, you could photocopy the one you have and people could use it to fashion their own version out of wood, metal, or even cardboard. I'd think someone who needed one would be willing to pay $10 or $20 for your trouble.
I was always told : Chains wear out sprockets Sprockets do not wear out chains. Thanks Squatch Keep up the good work.
It seems to be that way with motorcycle chains ,don't take a link out when you're at the end of adjustment, replace the chain and reverse the sprockets direction if possible you can get good mileage out of each if you do take a link out reverse chain direction in a pinch. But a worn chain can eat the sprockets pretty quickly....
I like the idea of 3D print with the letters and marks right in the material.
Seems like a cool merch idea. I cnc plasma could rip them out pretty quick.
Darn skippy plasma or lazer cut with speed and clean cuts. And it's better then the 3D printer plastic made comments.
You are spot on, you’d make a good teacher! People need to learn every education comes with a cost, but you’re learning something! I swear these machines will talk to you if you’ll stop and listen. Just take a minute and it’ll tell you a story like you dreamed about. There’s a tell tale to everything. Keep up the good work, I love learning!
I, would of like to of had him for some help in my past I spent about 38 years, most of it in field service for Cat dealer coal, power plants , pipeline work .but kinda glad that's all in the rear , joints are all little tired
With your extensive knowledge and experience, you could carry a CAT briefcase and travel further than 50 miles from home to be a "Certified D2 Consultant". :-) Have you thought of writing a "Guide to Purchasing Old CAT Crawlers"?
Great information! Hopefully that answers a lot of people’s questions! As for me! I never question your work, I just enjoy every episode!👌😎👍but never the less is great information!
Still good info. Good explanation too about rail pin wear and pin/sprocket interference. Information you can use to analyze even newer equipment, not just the old D2s and D4s.
Squatch, you had a lot of good answers and tips, thank you! Now some one with a Plasma table should get busy… I don’t have one.
Thanks Squatch253!
Toby you may want to go back and look at the end of that track pivot shaft. Its marking its territory!
@@squatch253 if you had a junker you could take it and use a cutoff wheel length-wise on it and then section it where it goes from solid to hollow. probably used a tubing and stubs then OD ground the whole thing once it was welded fully giving the illusion of it being one piece and saving a little weight without sacrificing strength. I do know that the shaft is like 3" OD. The monkeys run the asylum in my head as well. LOL
I would suggest drafting your tool out onto drafting paper that from there a 3D model could be made.
Seconded. A CNC machine would cut that out in seconds.
It's a 2d part.... Scan it, mark one known dimension. Done. After that anybody can import into their preferred application and start cutting or printing material.
Informative as usual I have come to expect nothing less.
Hey Squatch, you passed bit of a milestone: 50k subscribers.
Seems like someone with a plasma table could do a run on those fairly easily, could be Squatch merch to help fund future projects.
Seems like an idea device to 3D print.
Hey Toby, Great Video as usual. Does Senior have a video he can share? When both of you are hitting on Winter projects, you make for excellent shop videos. Keep them coming sir.
You could put your gauge in a scanner next to a ruler, and then somebody could make a 3D model of it - for yet someone else to cast a replica of - considering shrinkage
just cut them out on a cnc router-
Excellent video that is very informative about the undercarriage parts keep up the great videos 👍👍👍👍
Lots of great info Squatch. Thank you, John
How dare you be efficient by making one video instead of replaying to all of us. HOW DAAAAARE YOU. /s
Great info as always. I'll never use it, but it is so fascinating to know/learn.
Dumb question... just how much new/old stock is there out there? I find it amazing/fascinating you still are finding these parts made 50 years ago new in a box. Just how much did cat over produce parts??
The solution to reproduce the gauge seems pretty simple.
Looks like a good candidate for a 3D printing project. If thing wood/cardboard will hold up, ABS should hold up even better. These days, this kind of stuff should be a 3d model away. :)
CNC in steel. Or is that a thing of the past now days with everyone saying 3D printer, plastic-china tooling.
That part is a perfect laser part.
That is a 2D object if there ever was one. IC Weld cut cut it out with his oxyacetylene torch
Nearly everything these days we use ultrasonic gauge to measure wear
And have a tooth to tooth measurement for sprockets
some real interesting stuff
Right on
Well that kind of sucks, but in my case it might be better if I don't put a guage to my tracks......I know the poor ol 6U is worn down (dare I say "sacked out"), but I'm not ready to see just how worn down it is for certain.
Thanks for the info though, it helps a lot. I always learn something new from your videos.
Probably good advice even for non cat collectors .
If someone could find those gauges and scan it to a computer then you could make a printed copy on paper that way you could print it off for use then if it gets lost you just print a new one
Quick question, what is new grouser height spec? Thanks as always for helping all of us out and for making the videos you do. Never disappointed and still excited for uploads. Take care.
Think Toby was just suggesting that if the grousers are short, or have already been replaced, you may want to take a REAL close look at the rest of the machine. It may have excessive wear in other areas, too.
If I could get my hands on one I could do a pretty big batch on my cnc millin machine. I could send them as blanks so people could paint and label themselves.
I saw some on eBay!
So - are we going to see Squatch branded D2 wear gauges ? Help the community and raise some money for the channel …
Thanks !
Scan it on an A4 sheet and save to pdf , then anyone can print stick down and cut it out on their material of choice.
Good Video
Should be really easy to create a 3D model and run on a 3d printer. Just take a pic from above, have the x/y dimensions and use the picture to model conversion tool and then select a practical thickness. Are doable even in simple tools such as tinkercad iircc.
@Gimle At that point, just CNC it in steel. It would be a quick run on a CNC, vs a 3D printer. And what is stronger and will last longer in a shop?
Sendcutsend could be the opportunity to mass produce those wear gauges with laser etched print. Just an idea.
I know at one time my dad had a complete track rebuild done pins and bushings plus new weld on sprockets that was done in the mid 60 I believe plus he had main bearings and seals put in and a valve job done on it then like a year later he split the old girl and replaced the main clutch
there is a marketing thing you can make d2 gauges with your name on it just need a plasma table or flow jet guy to whip up a bunch or get them stamped
Thanks for sharing some knowledge
Just learned a lot THANKS again !!
Do a printout that we can print on paper and then we can make one in metal
Thanks for video.picked up some knowledge
I'm up for a D2 gauge.
Thank you for the video.
I don't have that much knowledge on CAT rollers and undercarriage but this is something i noticed with the Soviet Version aka T-100M. Most of the wear accumulates over time and sometimes it has to do with the operator. Was the man operating the machine doing the maintenance or he was slacking off or did not care for the machine at all. Also we have -21 Celsius outside and lot of snow.
Is that -21C and a lot of snow right now, or do you mean just in general? I know SPb has some snow now.
@@lwilton Rather right now as I speak. The temperature is at night -25 Celsius.
CAT should have printed a full size pattern in the parts or service manual.....
A strange overlook from their side, considering all the other information in the manuals
Toby, did I miss some info? What is going on with X231? Was good progress for awhile then it sort of ended and not I do not even see it in the shop, are you planning on getting back on that one? I know you are busy just wondering.
Electronically reproduce some for sale .. Your an enterprising young man.
@@squatch253 cool
Would be easy to get those reproduced. All one would need to do is send that gauge you have into a photocopier send it to a gentleman who knows how to use CAD and has a plasma table. I assume you're from the states or else i would know a guy who could help.
No need for CAD. The cutter can just follow a traced curve. At least they could 30 years ago
I have one of those gauges looks identical
It doesn't seem like the tolerances are all that tight... With the variation of sizes/specs being described for the D4 and up, I'd think this is the perfect time for the CAT club to get some of the variants drawn up based on the tool shown and 3D-Print these things or send out the STL/VRML files so the group could print their own. Or, if folks wanted something more durable, have the run on a plasmaCAM table.
@@squatch253 I was thinking about this after your response. I know Pratt & Whitney made a LOT of go/no-go gauge tools for the railroad. Any chance they made any for CAT? Has anyone looked into that?
Man. The different series would be a hassle if you didn't know what you had or what to look for - especially if you are trying to find parts!
I'd be happy to make some is anyone is able to give me dimensions.
I think there's a D6 on fleabay right now, like 40 or something. Saw it yesterday in a random browse. Not 100% sure.
I would be interested in making a laser cuttable version of the gauge. Would you be able to upload a scan of the one you have?
I think you could sell a quite a few of those reproductions if you could make them.
@@squatch253 You don't have access to a scanner? Like the same thing you scan documents with? Doesn't need to be anything fancy.
@@squatch253 I'd like to take a shot at milling some out as well. Should be able to put a tracing in the optics system at work to get good numbers.
James Blackwell. Does the icon by your name mean you are a “Team Squatch” member. Squatch sent me a link to the subscriber page but I still can’t figure out how to watch the Member videos. Any help?
@@tmscheum yep, you need to become a member on the page
If I could get a tracing or an actual gage I can make you all you want.
People in the comments talking about reproducing those gauges with laser cutters and 3d printers, I have both of those tools cleverly disguised as a jigsaw.
Trace the outline onto a piece of paper and find a shop with a gas-, plasma- or laser cutter with an optic reader. No CAD needed
Is there a CAT part number for this gauge?
Just get some graphing paper and snap a photo and put the scale on it. PDF upload and anybody can print to make out of there material of choice or even 3D print it.
@4:37
Or one could bring micrometers and calipers to measure the undercarriage components as youTube videos have shown me.
Make copies...then sell ?
A problem begging for a solution
Be nice if someone made a program that let's you enter dimension and then give you a template you can use to make your own
So ACMOC haven't released this gauge yet on their page (1 year later). What are the chances at this point of getting a drawing of the gauge uploaded with a scale in one of the ACMOC discussions or something? I also noticed that they no longer sell the gauge faces for the D2's, does anyone have any spares laying around? Im trying to find a full set.
@squatch253 Thanks for the quick reply mate, I am actually in Western Australia, so this works perfectly for me. One part I wont get stung an import tax on. Good work on the awesome video's too, great content and great to see all the problems and potential solutions before I run into them.
Maybe someone should make 3D print files for these.... I think that this is the perfect use for a 3D printer...
I have seen something like that for an Oliver OC 3 or O C 4 crawler. Does any have one for sale or a reproduction?
Do you have the blueprint of the various dimensions ?
Nice 😊👍👍👍👍🌞
i have an old Ohio machinery co. D 8 H gage
Can't comment, don't have one yet. but I can comment on this, Any snow the last couple of days?
@@squatch253 Good, that means you can get back to doing what your supposed to be doing. Fixing the damn D2 😂
3D printing
If you can send me a tracing of the gauge or a photo with a scale/ruler in it I can reproduce it on my laser cutter in plastic or hardboard.
Let me know if you come cross a ware gage for a 57 d8
You should sell them and upgrade to aluminum.
Hey what was that grease you used on the track rollers?
Watch the rebuild video he shows all of that and talks about the semi liquid grease.
Could someone 3d print them?
Trace your gauge, mail the tracing to me and I'll make a CAD drawing for you. Let me know and I'll get my address to you.
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