Bible is “not” the “word” of God. It contains the word of God. If we say it is the word of God then we have to then say that all that is written in are words from God. But as we can see, sometimes the words are coming from the author’s own thinking. Even the apostle Paul in an instance say that what he is about to say is not from God but according to his own judgment. There are instances also that as the author tells the story, there are people speaking on their own and those words they are saying are not the words of God. When the rich young man came to the Lord Jesus and ask him what to do, those words that the young man said are not God’s words but the rich young man’s own words. When Nicodemus came to the Lord, the words that nicodemus uttered are not God’s words. When the samaritan woman at the well spoke to the Lord, the woman’s words are her own words not God’s. There’s many more instances where we can see people are speaking with their own thoughts not God’s. It is just wrong to say the Bible as a whole is the word of God. Again, it contains the words of God and it tells us the story of how God spoke to his people and guided them. It is the story of how we can walk with God and what we should be doing to do the will of God.
The text of Genesis 1:26 does not tell us who was there, but we know from Job 38:7 that angels were present at creation. Humans are made in the image of God, yet they are a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:5). It is therefore reasonable to conclude that angels are made more in the image of God than humans. If this is so, it makes sense for God to request the assistance of angels in the creation of man. God is still the creator, the angels were merely assisting, like a team of nurses may help the surgeon, yet the surgeon is said to have performed the surgery. Most likely God was speaking to angelic beings who also have human characteristics of language, reason, judgment, music, and ability to choose, meaning we have a similar image to angels. Granted, the text does not state that God spoke to angelic beings, but it makes simple logical sense.
Proverbs 8:22-31 tells us to whom God was speaking when he said "Let US make man in OUR image." - Gen 1:26. The giveaway is the use of the term MAKE rather than CREATE. Jesus in his pre-human form was assisting God. That is why we are told that everything came into existence THROUGH Jesus. Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2. The preparation of the earth and life on it was being observed by the angels. But they never took any part in making it happen. Job 38:4 Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand. 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
Thinking closely this can be Inferred because we read of holy ones and sons of God which they say best As angels in counsels. In Quran we find the use of we and due o their fear of Allah being said to be more than one fabricated the plurality if majesty which can't be found explained any where in Quran. God was with angelic beings,the Spirit was there and Jesus as seen in ,glorify me with the glory I had with you before the world was made then Micah 5 v 1 to 3.
@@MakaiJohnkenneth Don't stop at Micah 5:3. The next verse says, "And He will stand and shepherd His flock In the strength of Yahweh, In the majesty of the name of Yahweh His God." The God of the Messiah mentioned in verses 1-3 is Yahweh.
True and he calls him even the yahovah the messenger of the covenant. That's why Jesus makes claims of God like I am the first and last Son of man comes in clouds with his angels in great power and glory You will sin of man sitted at God's right hand As the father judges,gives life,raises the dead and forgives sins do he had given the son of man...authority in heaven and earth is given to ME said Jesus. Read about angel of the Lord in Genesis 16 v 8 Hagar said I ve seen God Angel of the Lord spoke in first person Angel of the Lord days he will bless them Genesis 22 Angel of the Lord tells Abraham,now I know you fear God because you have not witheld your son from me Genesis 31 Angel of the Lord tells Jacob I am God you met in bethel Genesis 48 v 15 May the angel who redeemed me bless the Lads Exodus 3 v 14 Moses saw angel of the Lord in the fire and voice said I am God of your father's Joshua 5 Saw a man told him remove your shoes this holy Ground Judges 2 1 to 3 Angel of the Lord delivered them from Egypt Judges 6 Gideon met by man and he says I have seen God Judges 13 Manoah sees the man and says I have seen God. In these cases they saw angel of the Lord and said we've seen God but in Genesis 31 angels tells Jacob I am God. Divine messenger called God see zechariah 3 v 1 to 5 Micah 5 v 1ti 5 Psalms 110 Psalms 2. Moses in numbers spoke face to face to God when he descended in the cloud and saw his form.
Hey brother, I know you think you’re leading folks in a true directions. But Yahweh is still, currently, the God and Father of Jesus (John 20:17; Rev 3:12). Yahweh is also our God and Father according to those same texts. So the 1 Most High God can’t be Trinity because Jesus’s God and Father is not tripersonal. Now I’d encourage you to go back to your alleged proof texts and look at them without Trinitarian presuppositions.
No, God is not a trinity. The very fact one has to create such a tangled web should give one pause; apparently, you have to have a great imagination (or brainwashed met the requirements to get into heaven.
Isaiah 41:4 (ESV): 4 Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 44:6 (ESV): 6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Isaiah 48:12-13 (ESV): 12 “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last. 13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together. 👇Revelation👇 Revelation 1:17-18 (ESV): But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. -“I DIED”, When did God die? Jesus Christ is God. Isaiah 9:6 (ESV): 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
When did God die? Never he is eternal and must be He is the living force of the universe,if dies nothing will exist. It is quite a concept though, just imagine God dying what the repercussions would be. He fills the entire universe, I am at a loss for words.
Since internet is here some of us study. Trinity,incarnation,rapture,immaculate, don't exist in the bible. They are attempts to explain what they thought the verse or group of verses meant. Trinity went wrong. Bible both OT and NT. Teach One God who is our father and creator whom no man has seen nor can see but dwells in light unapproachable Jesus is son of God because the angel declared that the child will be holy and shall be called the son of the most high. This one is his salvation to the ends if the earth. The Spirit of. God proceeds from God. Messiah and the Spirit are divine but not God Diety not=Divine Diety is the supreme,most high one Divinity refers to attributes of diety.. Just 1 example The Spirit is sent to all believers and messiah is with all believers whenever 2 or 3meet hence they are divine but not God
Even the three partiarchs,it says God appeared to each one.That Is together with angel of the Lord seen and it was God seen. But they were divine messengers who were called God because his name was in them. Which means God delegated them his authority to talk and act fir God otherwise God says no one can see him and remain alive,Jesus said you've not seen his shape and Paul says whom no man has seen nor can see but dwells in light unapproachable read malachi 3 v1 to 3
@@MakaiJohnkenneth, reading comprehension problems? Genesis 18:1 YLT98 [1] And Jehovah appeareth unto him among the oaks of Mamre, and he is sitting at the opening of the tent, about the heat of the day; Genesis 18:14 YLT98 [14] And Jehovah saith unto Abraham, ‘Why [is] this? Sarah hath laughed, saying, Is it true really - I bear - and I am aged? Is any thing too wonderful for Jehovah? at the appointed time I return unto thee, about the time of life, and Sarah hath a son.’ Genesis 19:24 YLT98 [24] and Jehovah hath rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens; (Note Yehovah standing on earth in the form of man calling fire and brimstone FROM Yehovah in heaven.) Genesis 19:27 YLT98 [27] And Abraham riseth early in the morning, unto the place where he hath stood [before] the face of Jehovah; That "messenger" is the eternal Word of God...
There is great ambiguity as to how Romans 9:5 should be translated. A quick check shows that there is no consistency, even among pro-Trinitarian translations, as to the proper translation of this verse. In the Greek this verse says nothing about Jesus being God, rather it is Paul saying that Jesus is God-blessed, which is to be blessed by God (who is someone else). A disputed verse should not be used as a basis for core doctrine.
Romans 9:5 has been translated in different ways depending on how the Greek is understood. A number of translations render it as a doxology directed toward God. For example, the Revised Standard Version says, “To them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed forever. Amen.” Other translations, like the NIV, render the verse as identifying Christ as God: "the Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!" While it is grammatically possible to render it that way, it is necessary to take the context into consideration. In Romans, Paul consistently makes a distinction between God and Jesus Christ. Romans 15:5-6 says in the NIV: “May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Whenever Paul makes similar expressions of praise in his letters as the one in Romans 9:5, they are always directed to God the Father (Romans 11:34-36; 16:27; Galatians 1:4-5; Philippians 4:20; 1 Timothy 1:17). This pattern suggests that Romans 9:5 is more likely a doxology directed toward God the Father rather than an identification of Christ as God.
But where from the idea of three persons in the God head. Is it not rather God (singular) manifestating Himself in 3 different offices or manifestations for the work of salvation??
The prophecy about how the Trinity would come into Christian beliefs is found at Acts 20:30. It is called a twisted teaching. Therein lies the fact that logical minds cannot grasp it. Jesus in prayer to his God Jehovah said: (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Jesus ADDS himself as a criterion apart from God.
If one God manifest Himself in three offices it means He only manifest as one of the three (Modalism) while the Bible show three all the time therefore trinity.
@@andrevisser7542 : Jesus was not suffering from: Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a mental health condition. Someone with DID has multiple, distinct personalities. Jesus was a PROPHET of God. A man. John 8:40 God cannot act as his own Prophet.
God manifests Himself in a myriad of ways like in nature, in man because he is the image of God, through angels and even a talking donkey but all the manifestations don't make for many god's. He is still just the One and Only God
Have you ever talked to yourself? Who are you talking to? Who is doing the talking and who is the listener? If within your single person there can be duality infact some people have multiple personalities. If you can have those then surely a all powerfull God could manifest in whatever form he chooses.
@@kermitfrog8340 multiple personalities well that’s interesting it’s called multiple “personalities” for a reason. Jesus being in a divine nature is speaking to another spirit. For some reason in that mind of your you think he is just talking to him self. He is speaking to the almighty. And im starting to think you never read Daniel by the way. Daniel 7 speaks on this. And John chapter 17 he is speaking to what he calls “MY FATHER”
Nope! People who talk to themselves have a mental problem. Jesus was praying and talking and worshipping his God Jehovah. The God who sent Jesus on this earth mission. (John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of HIM WHO SENT ME and to finish HIS work.
No Jesus was not taking to Himself, that’s a doctrine called modalism. The trinitarian view teaches that God is one (echad) and 3 in person. So each person is fully God yet they are distinct and have different roles. It’s not illogical for God to be 3 yet one because remember God’s nature is nothing like anything in creation. So Jesus was talking to another person of trinity (God the Father) who is also God.
@@tongakhan230 We meet again😂. Yes I agree Jesus was not talking to Himself, Jesus was talking to God the Father. The three persons of the trinity are distinct from one another in role and function yet they share the same nature. Each of them have/ play a different role in salvation and they work in unity. The Father is the planner, the "purposer," the giver of the Son. The Son is the accomplisher of our salvation. And the Holy Spirit is the applier of our salvation. So yes Jesus came to fulfil the Father’s plan in regard to salvation which is why Jesus said that.
In 1 John 5:20, the word “this” is “houtos” in Greek, referring back to the statement just given, not the last individual. Claiming that it refers to the last stated person in order to make the person be the one true God, when used with consistency in other similar verses, yields absurdities. For example, in this same letter of 1 John we read, “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This (houtos) is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.” 1 John 2:22. Consistency here would require that Jesus be the antichrist! “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This (houtos) is the deceiver and the antichrist” 2 John 1:7. Applying the same principle here would make Jesus Christ to be “the deceiver and the antichrist”! Basically, 1 John 5:20 is restating John 17:3, “THIS is eternal Life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent.”
*Here are examples of Bible verses showing that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are connected with each other, that they are one in the incarnation of Christ:* *John 14:9-11* *9* Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? *He who has seen Me has seen the Father;* so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? *10* Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but *the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me,* or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. *John 10:30* *30 I* and *my Father* are *one.* *2 Corinthians 5:19* *19 namely, that God was in Christ* reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their transgressions against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. *Matthew 3:16* *16* When *He* had been baptized, *Jesus* came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw *the Spirit of God* descending like a dove and alighting *upon Him.* *Colossians 2:9* *9* For *in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.* *Colossians 1:19* *19* For *it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;* *1 John 5:7-8* *7* For there are *three* that bear record in heaven, *the Father, the Word,* and *the Holy Ghost:* and *these three are one.* *8* And there are *three* that bear witness in earth, *the Spirit,* and *the water,* and *the blood:* and *these three agree in one.* *Matthew 28:19* *19* Go ye *therefore,* and teach all nations, baptizing them *in the name of the Father,* and of *the Son,* and of *the Holy Ghost:"* *1 Peter 1:2* *2* elect *according to* the foreknowledge of *God the Father,* through sanctification of *the Spirit,* unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of *Jesus Christ:* Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. *2 Corinthians 13:14* *14* The grace of *the Lord Jesus Christ,* and the love of *God,* and the communion of *the Holy Ghost,* be with you all. Amen. Even other examples in Genesis where God describes Himself in *the plural:* *Genesis 1:26* *26* And *God* said, *let us* make man in *our image,* after *our likeness* *Genesis 3:22* *22* And *the Lord God said,* Behold, the man is become as *one of us* *Genesis 18:1-3* *Yahweh Appears to Abraham* *18* Then *Yahweh appeared to him* by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. *2* And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, *three men* were standing nearby; he saw, and he ran from the tent door to meet them, and he bowed himself to the earth, *3* and he said, “ *My Lord,* if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by.
Matthew 28:19 says baptizing in the Name of the father son and of the holy Ghost that name is Jesus , father, son, holy Ghost is titles we must be baptize in the Name of Jesus to fulfill this scripture
No one was ever baptized using such a formula. All the baptisms recorded in the book of Acts: Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the FREE GIFT of the holy spirit. Obviously Jesus meant something else.
How can God be three in one? I think the most common problem people have is that they think in terms of addition 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 God is so far greater than our human mind can conceive. God can't be figured out by just our reasoning or human logic. We are to know and worship God in Spirit and in Truth. And also know God by prayer, and through His Word (the Bible), through His Son (Jesus referred to Himself as The Son of Man and Son of God), and through His Spirit (Holy Spirit) - although He will always be so far greater than our comprehension, especially in this life time. That's why He has given us Eternity to get to know Him once we believe and have received His Son, Jesus Christ. We don't serve multiple gods, but we do serve a God who in omnipotent and omnipresent. Just like in a simple math equations multiplication is far greater than addition. 1 × 1 × 1 = 1 Seek The Truth with your heart (spirit) and not with brain (human reasoning alone) and you will find God. Jesus said "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6
i am a hindu so this would be my pov: okay till 2:00 your logic was okay, and there are counter question to it too, I would have told you but I think this video is not promoting debate so I rest for now. 4:23 the word trinity has an indian origin for sure, as we have the sanskrit word, tri_nath where tri means three nath means lord, and they were as many know, bhramam vishnu mahesh. and yes they are also one . and yes the god is one I too agree with you, just we have the diff form 7:05 as I heard the concept of god was for real very difficult and confusing for the western people as before jesus nobody preached them, jesus I think in a way showed the very easy to understand form of practise that is devotion, or called bhakti. and there were more that which will be hard to understand. i think I might know a reason why christan people having a book written so nice still belive other religions as bad . so there is my hypothesis:- I got to know about the great battle of ten kings of our world which are mentioned in rigved, and it says the native peoples were send to exile in the harsh cold lands, where I think Europe would be for now, and maybe at some point jesus preached the people to establish the faith that people had forgotten, but while this was going the people who were already living in those cold lands used to worship ASURAS, the mythical powerful creatures who have tendency to misuse power, and people still worship them today, (iykyk) and hence the people who were just preached about god learned that other people who were not worshipping god were worshipping satan, for what their close neighbours were doing , and hence they learned something which was a misconception for them. yes the world is big, and many may worship asuras (or say AHURA) (its a thing that happened with yakoob and jacob, some sound problem similar with h and s) the world is big many also worship the same god as you do in different way. at the end saints say, everything is a part of the one. i don't ask you to agree with me, just take my hypothesis in consideration and do your own reserach
There is only one God. He is the creator and his La is written in our hearts. This knowledge in innate in the human conscience. I ask you my friend what do you believe you can do to remove your sin? How is sin forgiven in your view? Thanks
@@andrevisser7542 something stupid? You don't really have a point, do you? First you said there was nothing, now you're jumping to another assumption, making an invalid argument without any evidence. We try and explain something with natural accurance.
At Jesus' baptism, the Father 'spoke' from heaven, the Holy Spirit could also 'speak'. So what is the difference between 'speaking' and Jesus as the 'Word'?
You are conflating the gospels of Mark and John. John does not have the baptism. The spirit of God descends onto to Jesus, just like the prophets in the Hebrew Bible. In Mark, God and the spirit of God is the same thing. Jesus is a man blessed by God. John, however, is completely different. In John, Jesus is a second god called the Logos.
@@andrevisser7542 in the second-temple period attributes of YHWH were reimagined as divine beings coming from YHWH. For example, wisdom in Proverbs is a separate goddess who with YHWH at the beginning of creation. Philo of Alexandra defined the Logos ( Word) as a separate god working along side YHWH to create the world. The author of John takes the ideas of wisdom and Logos and combines them into Jesus.
@@michaelhenry1763, no it is the spirit of wisdom in Proverbs 8, no "goddess". I prefer to believe what John say about the Word of God rather than some Philo. The Word was God or actually when u look at the Greek scripture it says God was the Word.
@@andrevisser7542 Spirits are divine beings. Divine beings are gods. Because wisdom is feminine, I call her a goddess. If you do not want to, that’s fine. Whether you “ believe” Philo or not, it makes no difference to me. The point is Philo was writing about the Logos decades before the gospel of John was written. What do you mean by “ Greek scripture”? Are you referring to the gospel of John in Greek or are you referring to the Septuagint?
The Old Testament is extremely clear that there is only one God (Deut 6:4) who is deserving of "religious type worship" The context of Deuteronomy is about worship. The Bible is extremely clear that there are many gods after all the ancient words translated as god simply means a "mighty one" or a "powerful one" or a "strong one" The words translated as god is applied to the Almighty, to angels to men and parts of creation. No text in the original languages of the Bible teaches that Jesus or the holy spirit is God. Some translators of te Bible allowed theology to cloud their judgements and translated some texts in a way to suggest that the trinity exist.
1 John 5:20 you missed word in His Son , talks about True God and always I said always reference to God the Father, please read carefully, Jesus never called himself the True God but always teaching us that He is the Son of the living God
Correct. 1 John 5:20 says: “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know _him who is true;_ and we are in him who is true, in _his Son Jesus Christ._ He is the _true God_ and eternal life” (ESV). “Him who is true” is referring to God. At the end of the verse the phrase “He is the true God” refers to “Him who is true” mentioned earlier in the verse. It isn’t referring to Jesus. This is in line with John 17:3, where Jesus calls his Father “the only true God.” We are able to know the Father because Jesus has come to give us a greater understanding of God. John 1:18 says: “No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known” (RSV).
They are three individuals that are one in purpose. Jesus’s baptism is a perfect example of this. Jesus was baptized and God spoke and the Holy Ghost appeared in the form of a dove.
I do not think the Trinity is biblical because the idea is to fuzzy. Paul clearly makes distinctions between God and Jesus. The four gospels have different views. The Hebrew Bible has YHWH as a singular being, but he has a council of sons of God. Each nation has their own gods.
No. Amplified Bible "Now the chief priests and the whole Council (Sanhedrin, Jewish High Court) tried to get false witnesses to testify against Jesus, so that they might [have a reason to] put Him to death. They found none, even though many false witnesses came forward.". Matthew 26:59-60. I ask: "Why"? ........ "They found none, even though many false witnesses came forward"?? Do you believe that all the Jews. religious leaders (Sanhedrin) forgot that Jesus "made himself equal to God", ..... that he "taught the trinity", ..... that he "adopted, appropriated God's name - I am"? That is, that he claimed to be "almighty God"? Have you all lost your memory? Do you use logical thinking, common sense? Do you even know what it is? Was there already Alzheimer's disease at that time? Warning: .... "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, you are blessed [happy and favored by God] if you put them into practice [and faithfully do them]". John 13:16-17.😲👍 Warning: ..... [happy and favored by God] ..... if you put them into practice [and faithfully do them].🆗❤️ Simple truth.👍🌹 Havel Nice day 😊
@@andrevisser7542 The Universe is confirmed to exist. Saying that something created another thing, but that something does not need to be created is moving the goal post. While the Universe can be seen and we know it exists, we do not need to imagine something that created it and we cannot prove that exists, but was not created.
HOW CAN GOD BE 1 IN1ONE NATURE OR ESSENCE IN ONE PERSON?A GOD ALONE SINGLE NOT EXISTS BECAUSE HE CANNOT LOVE SOME ONE EQUAL WITH HIM.SEE GENESIS CH.18.THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT GOD IS LOVE AND THIS POSSIBLE IN THE HOLY TRINITY.GOD CALLED FATHER IN BIBLE IMMEDIATELY PROOVE THAT HE HAS A SON WITHOUT THE SON OF GOD IT S FALSE TO CALL HIM TRULY FATHER .FATHER OF WHO?THEANGELS AND THE MEN YES AS CREATED AND BY ADOPTION NOT OF HIS PERSON DIRECTLY.OF HIS NATURE AS THE MEN .A HUMAN FATHER IS FATHER WHEN HE HAS A SON OF HIS BODY. TRINITY CONSUBSTANTIAL AND INDIVISIBLE.EACH DIVINE PERSON CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM THE OTHERS PERSONS.
Jesus is God’s son not God himself. He is called God several times in scripture because he has a divine nature being the son of God, but this is the only sense in that he is God. When the Bible uses the word God as a personal name it is speaking of the father, not Jesus. God is the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ just as the Bible says. Jesus himself said in John 17:3 that the father is the only true God. The trinity came centuries after the Bible was written. Even though it maintains the divinity of Jesus it contradicts many clear passages and mystifies God into a three person entity that is inconceivable. The trinity makes God out to be a nature or an essence shared by three persons rather than a singular person that he is. God says “ I am” not “we are”.
No trinity exists: Jesus crystal clear states He is WITH THE FATHER ONLY. God is NOT here "nobody has seen God at any time", God is here ONLY IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT, He is the "Holy Spirit" aka "Spirit of God". God is actually AWAY, He is TRANSCENDENT. God is here with his words and actions, but at the same time He is absent, actually NOBODY is here. You do not have a "real time" relationship with God because God has ALREADY done ALL what He had to do. You talk to God who is in a different temporal dimension. The Holy Spirit is thus God in the form of a spirit (Jn. 4:23,24) not a third person, this means no trinity exits. Jesus states that the Father cannot be seen, that only the Son HAS SEEN (past tense) the Father, so that if you want to "somehow" see the Father the only option you have is to see the Son:"He who sees me SEES HIM who sent me." In fact "you see the Father when you see the Son" because the Son HAD BEEN the Father. The God's power is just an ATTRIBUTE of God, but - even without his power - God still is God. This is the difference between the almighty God and Jesus: the almighty God was able to do EVERYTHING even BEFORE the world was born, this is why "the world has not known you", at all. God thus got rid of his then useless power to become like a normal man: the Son of God. In this case "Son" hasn't his regular meaning, He isn't an ADDITIONAL person, it means Jesus DERIVES from God. Jesus is DIFFERENT from God since He is like a normal man now, not almighty anymore. Yet He is not DISTINCT from Him "I am in the Father and the Father in me" because Jesus HAD BEEN that almighty God. In other words Father and Son are not the same ONE God, but They are not "TWO distinct Gods" either. You can say that God is greater than one and less than two in number. In fact Jesus states that He sits next to the POWER, the latter being just a "thing".
Amen! Very well done. Unfortunately people still wont believe i think because they dont trust the new testament.Sad.Ok try Genesis 19 23 24 in short :Lot enters Zoar.Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire"from" the Lord out of heaven....2 Lords?one on earth and one in heaven.Genesis19 29 GOD remembered Abraham( His talk with him to save righteous ppl.the Lord(man who ate) Genesis 18 1-8 Genesis 18 11-14 22 23 30 33. Please non believers explain how there is a man on Earth who is God Genesis 19 29 and God in heaven at the same time.2 in nature but separate.Amen.I Love the Father ,Son and Holy spirit Amen.
Why would God need talk to himself in Gensis 1 when he already knew he would create man? More likely he spoke to his sons, who later took human wives as you can read in Genesis 6.
Peace be with you in the Name of Jesus the begotten Son of God. First of all Trinity is NOT the teaching of JESUS and the apostles. Trinity is invented by man because they know the Father of Jesus is True/existing and the Son is True/existing and the Spirit is True/existing because all of that is true/existing they/you created your own God that is now called Trinity God. Creating with our own God is used less God hates that so much. Why God hate those who don't believe what he said to his Son. Jesus said his Father is the only true God, but what did you/they says? BIG NO the TRINITY IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. you/they don't really know how to follow and accept the truth? All who trap in that Trinity God, they don't really know who really Jesus is. And they are the people don't want the truth about the Son of God. The only true God is no beginning, Jesus is the beginning of all creation of God. And he is also the last because through him all created by God. Like Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
The Trinity: (3 roles) (Luke 1: 29-32 & Mark 3: 11): Jesus is God, who came to the earth as a human through a divine birth through Mary, who was a virgin. Mary was God's servant/instrument only. (Divine birth): No father & mother needed. Human only needs a father & a mother. Jesus was born as the Son. (John 14: 9-14 & 31): Jesus said, the Father is in me, I'm in the Father. (John 14: 16-17 & 26): Jesus said, when I leave, the Holy Spirit will come. Prophecy on Jesus birth: (Luke 1: 26-38) Angel told Mary, a virgin that she was highly favoured...
God being carried around by human parents?? Doesn't sound convincing. Sorry! Jesus was and IS: (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.”
Twisting English translated verses to make Jesus into God doesn't prove a Trinity. Trinity is about THREE. Not TWO. One simple verse that cannot be twisted tells us that Jesus was NEVER God. 'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12 and confirmed by verses 20. John and tons of others SAW Jesus.
Trinity is a way to pretend to be monotheists. In end Christianity is polytheistic. Three persons with their own will, knowledge, and attributes are three gods.
False! There are no not three in one, or three individual persons.. God is only one, and he sent his son to show who is him. Now the Holy Spirit is the same Father, the Spirit and the Father are one individual person. So Miaf the Father and the Holy spirt are one , where are the trinity? There are not trinity. This a a misunderstanding of the Bible. Father and Son, not any one else.
Godhead is a made up term. (Colossians 2:9) because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily. Jesus reflected his Creator's qualities.
The Greek word “theotetos” in Colossians 2:9 is translated “fullness of the Godhead” in the King James Version. However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, “theotetos” means “divinity” or “divine nature.” The fact that Christ possesses “divine nature” or the quality of “divinity” does not mean that Christ is God himself. It means that all of the excelling qualities that God the Father possesses also dwell in Christ. If Jesus is God, why does Colossians 3:1 say that Christ is “seated at the right hand of God”?
Obviously you haven’t read the Bible, please explain John 17:3 and all the verses that the Most High says I am alone and over 6628 times that he says that he is alone Sir, you’re leading people down the wrong path, Jesus NEVER claimed godhood he claimed to be the son of God but never God or equal with God, Peter said you are the son of the living God, Jesus did not correct him and says no no Peter I am the almighty YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBKE IN CONTEXT, not what you want to read into it and especially not what you have been wrongly taught
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Bible is “not” the “word” of God. It contains the word of God. If we say it is the word of God then we have to then say that all that is written in are words from God. But as we can see, sometimes the words are coming from the author’s own thinking. Even the apostle Paul in an instance say that what he is about to say is not from God but according to his own judgment.
There are instances also that as the author tells the story, there are people speaking on their own and those words they are saying are not the words of God. When the rich young man came to the Lord Jesus and ask him what to do, those words that the young man said are not God’s words but the rich young man’s own words. When Nicodemus came to the Lord, the words that nicodemus uttered are not God’s words. When the samaritan woman at the well spoke to the Lord, the woman’s words are her own words not God’s.
There’s many more instances where we can see people are speaking with their own thoughts not God’s.
It is just wrong to say the Bible as a whole is the word of God. Again, it contains the words of God and it tells us the story of how God spoke to his people and guided them. It is the story of how we can walk with God and what we should be doing to do the will of God.
The text of Genesis 1:26 does not tell us who was there, but we know from Job 38:7 that angels were present at creation. Humans are made in the image of God, yet they are a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:5). It is therefore reasonable to conclude that angels are made more in the image of God than humans. If this is so, it makes sense for God to request the assistance of angels in the creation of man. God is still the creator, the angels were merely assisting, like a team of nurses may help the surgeon, yet the surgeon is said to have performed the surgery.
Most likely God was speaking to angelic beings who also have human characteristics of language, reason, judgment, music, and ability to choose, meaning we have a similar image to angels. Granted, the text does not state that God spoke to angelic beings, but it makes simple logical sense.
Very second-temple Jewish of you
Proverbs 8:22-31 tells us to whom God was speaking when he said "Let US make man in OUR image." - Gen 1:26.
The giveaway is the use of the term MAKE rather than CREATE.
Jesus in his pre-human form was assisting God.
That is why we are told that everything came into existence THROUGH Jesus. Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2.
The preparation of the earth and life on it was being observed by the angels. But they never took any part in making it happen.
Job 38:4 Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand.
7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
Thinking closely this can be Inferred because we read of holy ones and sons of God which they say best
As angels in counsels.
In Quran we find the use of we and due o their fear of Allah being said to be more than one fabricated the plurality if majesty which can't be found explained any where in Quran.
God was with angelic beings,the Spirit was there and Jesus as seen in ,glorify me with the glory I had with you before the world was made then Micah 5 v 1 to 3.
@@MakaiJohnkenneth Don't stop at Micah 5:3. The next verse says, "And He will stand and shepherd His flock In the strength of Yahweh, In the majesty of the name of Yahweh His God." The God of the Messiah mentioned in verses 1-3 is Yahweh.
True and he calls him even the yahovah the messenger of the covenant.
That's why Jesus makes claims of God like
I am the first and last
Son of man comes in clouds with his angels in great power and glory
You will sin of man sitted at God's right hand
As the father judges,gives life,raises the dead and forgives sins do he had given the son of man...authority in heaven and earth is given to ME said Jesus.
Read about angel of the Lord in
Genesis
16 v 8 Hagar said I ve seen God
Angel of the Lord spoke in first person
Angel of the Lord days he will bless them
Genesis 22
Angel of the Lord tells Abraham,now I know you fear God because you have not witheld your son from me
Genesis 31
Angel of the Lord tells Jacob I am God you met in bethel
Genesis 48 v 15
May the angel who redeemed me bless the Lads
Exodus 3 v 14
Moses saw angel of the Lord in the fire and voice said I am God of your father's
Joshua 5
Saw a man told him remove your shoes this holy Ground
Judges 2 1 to 3
Angel of the Lord delivered them from Egypt
Judges 6
Gideon met by man and he says I have seen God
Judges 13
Manoah sees the man and says I have seen God.
In these cases they saw angel of the Lord and said we've seen God but in Genesis 31 angels tells Jacob I am God.
Divine messenger called God see zechariah 3 v 1 to 5
Micah 5 v 1ti 5
Psalms 110
Psalms 2.
Moses in numbers spoke face to face to God when he descended in the cloud and saw his form.
Hey brother, I know you think you’re leading folks in a true directions. But Yahweh is still, currently, the God and Father of Jesus (John 20:17; Rev 3:12). Yahweh is also our God and Father according to those same texts. So the 1 Most High God can’t be Trinity because Jesus’s God and Father is not tripersonal. Now I’d encourage you to go back to your alleged proof texts and look at them without Trinitarian presuppositions.
No, God is not a trinity. The very fact one has to create such a tangled web should give one pause; apparently, you have to have a great imagination (or brainwashed met the requirements to get into heaven.
Isaiah 41:4 (ESV): 4 Who has performed and done this,
calling the generations from the beginning?
I, the Lord, the first,
and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 44:6 (ESV): 6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
Isaiah 48:12-13 (ESV): 12 “Listen to me, O Jacob,
and Israel, whom I called!
I am he; I am the first,
and I am the last.
13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth,
and my right hand spread out the heavens;
when I call to them,
they stand forth together.
👇Revelation👇
Revelation 1:17-18 (ESV): But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
-“I DIED”, When did God die? Jesus Christ is God.
Isaiah 9:6 (ESV): 6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
When did God die? Never he is eternal and must be He is the living force of the universe,if dies nothing will exist. It is quite a concept though, just imagine God dying what the repercussions would be. He fills the entire universe, I am at a loss for words.
Since internet is here some of us study.
Trinity,incarnation,rapture,immaculate, don't exist in the bible.
They are attempts to explain what they thought the verse or group of verses meant.
Trinity went wrong.
Bible both OT and NT. Teach
One God who is our father and creator whom no man has seen nor can see but dwells in light unapproachable
Jesus is son of God because the angel declared that the child will be holy and shall be called the son of the most high.
This one is his salvation to the ends if the earth.
The Spirit of. God proceeds from God.
Messiah and the Spirit are divine but not God
Diety not=Divine
Diety is the supreme,most high one
Divinity refers to attributes of diety..
Just 1 example
The Spirit is sent to all believers and messiah is with all believers whenever 2 or 3meet hence they are divine but not God
Read Genesis 18 and 19 and tell me nobody saw God.
Even the three partiarchs,it says God appeared to each one.That Is together with angel of the Lord seen and it was God seen. But they were divine messengers who were called God because his name was in them.
Which means God delegated them his authority to talk and act fir God otherwise God says no one can see him and remain alive,Jesus said you've not seen his shape and Paul says whom no man has seen nor can see but dwells in light unapproachable read malachi 3 v1 to 3
@@MakaiJohnkenneth, reading comprehension problems?
Genesis 18:1 YLT98
[1] And Jehovah appeareth unto him among the oaks of Mamre, and he is sitting at the opening of the tent, about the heat of the day;
Genesis 18:14 YLT98
[14] And Jehovah saith unto Abraham, ‘Why [is] this? Sarah hath laughed, saying, Is it true really - I bear - and I am aged? Is any thing too wonderful for Jehovah? at the appointed time I return unto thee, about the time of life, and Sarah hath a son.’
Genesis 19:24 YLT98
[24] and Jehovah hath rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens;
(Note Yehovah standing on earth in the form of man calling fire and brimstone FROM Yehovah in heaven.)
Genesis 19:27 YLT98
[27] And Abraham riseth early in the morning, unto the place where he hath stood [before] the face of Jehovah;
That "messenger" is the eternal Word of God...
There is great ambiguity as to how Romans 9:5 should be translated. A quick check shows that there is no consistency, even among pro-Trinitarian translations, as to the proper translation of this verse.
In the Greek this verse says nothing about Jesus being God, rather it is Paul saying that Jesus is God-blessed, which is to be blessed by God (who is someone else). A disputed verse should not be used as a basis for core doctrine.
Yes, I agree, we cannot use Paul in this way. He consistently says God the father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, Paul does not talk like a trinitarian
Romans 9:5 has been translated in different ways depending on how the Greek is understood. A number of translations render it as a doxology directed toward God. For example, the Revised Standard Version says, “To them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed forever. Amen.” Other translations, like the NIV, render the verse as identifying Christ as God: "the Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!" While it is grammatically possible to render it that way, it is necessary to take the context into consideration. In Romans, Paul consistently makes a distinction between God and Jesus Christ. Romans 15:5-6 says in the NIV: “May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Whenever Paul makes similar expressions of praise in his letters as the one in Romans 9:5, they are always directed to God the Father (Romans 11:34-36; 16:27; Galatians 1:4-5; Philippians 4:20; 1 Timothy 1:17). This pattern suggests that Romans 9:5 is more likely a doxology directed toward God the Father rather than an identification of Christ as God.
But where from the idea of three persons in the God head. Is it not rather God (singular) manifestating Himself in 3 different offices or manifestations for the work of salvation??
The prophecy about how the Trinity would come into Christian beliefs is found at Acts 20:30. It is called a twisted teaching. Therein lies the fact that logical minds cannot grasp it. Jesus in prayer to his God Jehovah said:
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Jesus ADDS himself as a criterion apart from God.
@@tongakhan230, don't confuse what Jesus AS MAN said with who He really is.
If one God manifest Himself in three offices it means He only manifest as one of the three (Modalism) while the Bible show three all the time therefore trinity.
@@andrevisser7542 : Jesus was not suffering from:
Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a mental health condition. Someone with DID has multiple, distinct personalities.
Jesus was a PROPHET of God. A man. John 8:40
God cannot act as his own Prophet.
God manifests Himself in a myriad of ways like in nature, in man because he is the image of God, through angels and even a talking donkey but all the manifestations don't make for many god's. He is still just the One and Only God
So......who was Jesus praying to in the garden.....himself?
Have you ever talked to yourself? Who are you talking to? Who is doing the talking and who is the listener? If within your single person there can be duality infact some people have multiple personalities. If you can have those then surely a all powerfull God could manifest in whatever form he chooses.
@@kermitfrog8340 multiple personalities well that’s interesting it’s called multiple “personalities” for a reason. Jesus being in a divine nature is speaking to another spirit. For some reason in that mind of your you think he is just talking to him self. He is speaking to the almighty. And im starting to think you never read Daniel by the way. Daniel 7 speaks on this. And John chapter 17 he is speaking to what he calls “MY FATHER”
Nope! People who talk to themselves have a mental problem.
Jesus was praying and talking and worshipping his God Jehovah. The God who sent Jesus on this earth mission.
(John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of HIM WHO SENT ME and to finish HIS work.
No Jesus was not taking to Himself, that’s a doctrine called modalism.
The trinitarian view teaches that God is one (echad) and 3 in person. So each person is fully God yet they are distinct and have different roles. It’s not illogical for God to be 3 yet one because remember God’s nature is nothing like anything in creation. So Jesus was talking to another person of trinity (God the Father) who is also God.
@@tongakhan230 We meet again😂. Yes I agree Jesus was not talking to Himself, Jesus was talking to God the Father. The three persons of the trinity are distinct from one another in role and function yet they share the same nature.
Each of them have/ play a different role in salvation and they work in unity.
The Father is the planner, the "purposer," the giver of the Son. The Son is the accomplisher of our salvation. And the Holy Spirit is the applier of our salvation.
So yes Jesus came to fulfil the Father’s plan in regard to salvation which is why Jesus said that.
Very good explanation of the Trinity - even still, it somewhat blows the human mind!
In 1 John 5:20, the word “this” is “houtos” in Greek, referring back to the statement just given, not the last individual. Claiming that it refers to the last stated person in order to make the person be the one true God, when used with consistency in other similar verses, yields absurdities.
For example, in this same letter of 1 John we read, “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This (houtos) is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.” 1 John 2:22. Consistency here would require that Jesus be the antichrist!
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This (houtos) is the deceiver and the antichrist” 2 John 1:7. Applying the same principle here would make Jesus Christ to be “the deceiver and the antichrist”!
Basically, 1 John 5:20 is restating John 17:3, “THIS is eternal Life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent.”
*Here are examples of Bible verses showing that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are connected with each other, that they are one in the incarnation of Christ:*
*John 14:9-11*
*9* Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? *He who has seen Me has seen the Father;* so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? *10* Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but *the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me,* or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
*John 10:30*
*30 I* and *my Father* are *one.*
*2 Corinthians 5:19*
*19 namely, that God was in Christ* reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their transgressions against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
*Matthew 3:16*
*16* When *He* had been baptized, *Jesus* came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw *the Spirit of God* descending like a dove and alighting *upon Him.*
*Colossians 2:9*
*9* For *in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.*
*Colossians 1:19*
*19* For *it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;*
*1 John 5:7-8*
*7* For there are *three* that bear record in heaven, *the Father, the Word,* and *the Holy Ghost:* and *these three are one.*
*8* And there are *three* that bear witness in earth, *the Spirit,* and *the water,* and *the blood:* and *these three agree in one.*
*Matthew 28:19*
*19* Go ye *therefore,* and teach all nations, baptizing them *in the name of the Father,* and of *the Son,* and of *the Holy Ghost:"*
*1 Peter 1:2*
*2* elect *according to* the foreknowledge of *God the Father,* through sanctification of *the Spirit,* unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of *Jesus Christ:* Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
*2 Corinthians 13:14*
*14* The grace of *the Lord Jesus Christ,* and the love of *God,* and the communion of *the Holy Ghost,* be with you all. Amen.
Even other examples in Genesis where God describes Himself in *the plural:*
*Genesis 1:26*
*26* And *God* said, *let us* make man in *our image,* after *our likeness*
*Genesis 3:22*
*22* And *the Lord God said,* Behold, the man is become as *one of us*
*Genesis 18:1-3*
*Yahweh Appears to Abraham*
*18* Then *Yahweh appeared to him* by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. *2* And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, *three men* were standing nearby; he saw, and he ran from the tent door to meet them, and he bowed himself to the earth, *3* and he said, “ *My Lord,* if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by.
Thank you for making these videos
Matthew 28:19 says baptizing in the Name of the father son and of the holy Ghost that name is Jesus , father, son, holy Ghost is titles we must be baptize in the Name of Jesus to fulfill this scripture
That part has been altered by the Catholic church. Originally there was only in the name of Jesus baptized and that's what the early Christians did.
in the name of Jesus Christ not only Jesus
No one was ever baptized using such a formula. All the baptisms recorded in the book of Acts:
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the FREE GIFT of the holy spirit.
Obviously Jesus meant something else.
How can God be three in one?
I think the most common problem people have is that they think in terms of addition 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
God is so far greater than our human mind can conceive. God can't be figured out by just our reasoning or human logic.
We are to know and worship God in Spirit and in Truth. And also know God by prayer, and through His Word (the Bible), through His Son (Jesus referred to Himself as The Son of Man and Son of God), and through His Spirit (Holy Spirit) - although He will always be so far greater than our comprehension, especially in this life time. That's why He has given us Eternity to get to know Him once we believe and have received His Son, Jesus Christ.
We don't serve multiple gods, but we do serve a God who in omnipotent and omnipresent. Just like in a simple math equations multiplication is far greater than addition.
1 × 1 × 1 = 1
Seek The Truth with your heart (spirit) and not with brain (human reasoning alone) and you will find God. Jesus said "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
- John 14:6
i am a hindu so this would be my pov:
okay till 2:00 your logic was okay, and there are counter question to it too, I would have told you but I think this video is not promoting debate so I rest for now.
4:23 the word trinity has an indian origin for sure, as we have the sanskrit word, tri_nath where tri means three nath means lord, and they were as many know, bhramam vishnu mahesh. and yes they are also one . and yes the god is one I too agree with you, just we have the diff form
7:05 as I heard the concept of god was for real very difficult and confusing for the western people as before jesus nobody preached them, jesus I think in a way showed the very easy to understand form of practise that is devotion, or called bhakti. and there were more that which will be hard to understand.
i think I might know a reason why christan people having a book written so nice still belive other religions as bad . so there is my hypothesis:- I got to know about the great battle of ten kings of our world which are mentioned in rigved, and it says the native peoples were send to exile in the harsh cold lands, where I think Europe would be for now, and maybe at some point jesus preached the people to establish the faith that people had forgotten, but while this was going the people who were already living in those cold lands used to worship ASURAS, the mythical powerful creatures who have tendency to misuse power, and people still worship them today, (iykyk) and hence the people who were just preached about god learned that other people who were not worshipping god were worshipping satan, for what their close neighbours were doing , and hence they learned something which was a misconception for them. yes the world is big, and many may worship asuras (or say AHURA) (its a thing that happened with yakoob and jacob, some sound problem similar with h and s) the world is big many also worship the same god as you do in different way. at the end saints say, everything is a part of the one. i don't ask you to agree with me, just take my hypothesis in consideration and do your own reserach
There is only one God. He is the creator and his La is written in our hearts. This knowledge in innate in the human conscience. I ask you my friend what do you believe you can do to remove your sin? How is sin forgiven in your view? Thanks
Mistake at 6:03 - It's not make GOD in our image; it's make MAN!
Why would you assume that there's a creator rather then assuming it evolves by chance ?
Nothing can't create something.
@@andrevisser7542 no one says there was "nothing". there is a chance of something being created by a natural phenomenon.
@@lionzion1879, so something stupid created the complexity of life and everything to sustain it?
U need a lot of faith to believe that.
@@andrevisser7542 something stupid? You don't really have a point, do you?
First you said there was nothing, now you're jumping to another assumption, making an invalid argument without any evidence. We try and explain something with natural accurance.
@@lionzion1879, you said there were something, not me, the reason for my question mark...
At Jesus' baptism, the Father 'spoke' from heaven, the Holy Spirit could also 'speak'. So what is the difference between 'speaking' and Jesus as the 'Word'?
You are conflating the gospels of Mark and John. John does not have the baptism. The spirit of God descends onto to Jesus, just like the prophets in the Hebrew Bible. In Mark, God and the spirit of God is the same thing. Jesus is a man blessed by God. John, however, is completely different. In John, Jesus is a second god called the Logos.
The Word of God is a person, *God operating in the physical realm* also seen as the Angel of God.
@@andrevisser7542 in the second-temple period attributes of YHWH were reimagined as divine beings coming from YHWH. For example, wisdom in Proverbs is a separate goddess who with YHWH at the beginning of creation.
Philo of Alexandra defined the Logos ( Word) as a separate god working along side YHWH to create the world.
The author of John takes the ideas of wisdom and Logos and combines them into Jesus.
@@michaelhenry1763, no it is the spirit of wisdom in Proverbs 8, no "goddess".
I prefer to believe what John say about the Word of God rather than some Philo.
The Word was God or actually when u look at the Greek scripture it says God was the Word.
@@andrevisser7542 Spirits are divine beings. Divine beings are gods. Because wisdom is feminine, I call her a goddess. If you do not want to, that’s fine.
Whether you “ believe” Philo or not, it makes no difference to me. The point is Philo was writing about the Logos decades before the gospel of John was written.
What do you mean by “ Greek scripture”? Are you referring to the gospel of John in Greek or are you referring to the Septuagint?
The Old Testament is extremely clear that there is only one God (Deut 6:4) who is deserving of "religious type worship" The context of Deuteronomy is about worship. The Bible is extremely clear that there are many gods after all the ancient words translated as god simply means a "mighty one" or a "powerful one" or a "strong one" The words translated as god is applied to the Almighty, to angels to men and parts of creation.
No text in the original languages of the Bible teaches that Jesus or the holy spirit is God. Some translators of te Bible allowed theology to cloud their judgements and translated some texts in a way to suggest that the trinity exist.
1 John 5:20 you missed word in His Son , talks about True God and always I said always reference to God the Father, please read carefully, Jesus never called himself the True God but always teaching us that He is the Son of the living God
Correct. 1 John 5:20 says: “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know _him who is true;_ and we are in him who is true, in _his Son Jesus Christ._ He is the _true God_ and eternal life” (ESV). “Him who is true” is referring to God. At the end of the verse the phrase “He is the true God” refers to “Him who is true” mentioned earlier in the verse. It isn’t referring to Jesus. This is in line with John 17:3, where Jesus calls his Father “the only true God.” We are able to know the Father because Jesus has come to give us a greater understanding of God. John 1:18 says: “No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known” (RSV).
Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God *_is_* God the Father manifested in genuine human form.
What you are referring to is actually called modelism, that's not the trinity
They are three individuals that are one in purpose. Jesus’s baptism is a perfect example of this. Jesus was baptized and God spoke and the Holy Ghost appeared in the form of a dove.
I do not think the Trinity is biblical because the idea is to fuzzy. Paul clearly makes distinctions between God and Jesus. The four gospels have different views.
The Hebrew Bible has YHWH as a singular being, but he has a council of sons of God. Each nation has their own gods.
If we use paraphrase translation the Trinity is found in the Bible
No. Amplified Bible
"Now the chief priests and the whole Council (Sanhedrin, Jewish High Court) tried to get false witnesses to testify against Jesus, so that they might [have a reason to] put Him to death. They found none, even though many false witnesses came forward.". Matthew 26:59-60.
I ask: "Why"? ........ "They found none, even though many false witnesses came forward"??
Do you believe that all the Jews. religious leaders (Sanhedrin) forgot that Jesus "made himself equal to God", ..... that he "taught the trinity", ..... that he "adopted, appropriated God's name - I am"? That is, that he claimed to be "almighty God"?
Have you all lost your memory? Do you use logical thinking, common sense? Do you even know what it is? Was there already Alzheimer's disease at that time?
Warning: .... "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, you are blessed [happy and favored by God] if you put them into practice [and faithfully do them]". John 13:16-17.😲👍
Warning: ..... [happy and favored by God] ..... if you put them into practice [and faithfully do them].🆗❤️
Simple truth.👍🌹
Havel Nice day 😊
Who created God?
God is eternal, He exist outside of time and space.
@@andrevisser7542 So is the Universe.
@@psihozefir, nice the universe is eternal but God is created...
@@andrevisser7542 The Universe is confirmed to exist.
Saying that something created another thing, but that something does not need to be created is moving the goal post. While the Universe can be seen and we know it exists, we do not need to imagine something that created it and we cannot prove that exists, but was not created.
@@psihozefir, so intelligent life just happened by itself from dead things.
HOW CAN GOD BE 1 IN1ONE NATURE OR ESSENCE IN ONE PERSON?A GOD ALONE SINGLE NOT EXISTS BECAUSE HE CANNOT LOVE SOME ONE EQUAL WITH HIM.SEE GENESIS CH.18.THE BIBLE PREACHES THAT GOD IS LOVE AND THIS POSSIBLE IN THE HOLY TRINITY.GOD CALLED FATHER IN BIBLE IMMEDIATELY PROOVE THAT HE HAS A SON WITHOUT THE SON OF GOD IT S FALSE TO CALL HIM TRULY FATHER .FATHER OF WHO?THEANGELS AND THE MEN YES AS CREATED AND BY ADOPTION NOT OF HIS PERSON DIRECTLY.OF HIS NATURE AS THE MEN .A HUMAN FATHER IS FATHER WHEN HE HAS A SON OF HIS BODY.
TRINITY CONSUBSTANTIAL AND INDIVISIBLE.EACH DIVINE PERSON CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM THE OTHERS PERSONS.
Jesus is God’s son not God himself. He is called God several times in scripture because he has a divine nature being the son of God, but this is the only sense in that he is God. When the Bible uses the word God as a personal name it is speaking of the father, not Jesus. God is the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ just as the Bible says. Jesus himself said in John 17:3 that the father is the only true God.
The trinity came centuries after the Bible was written. Even though it maintains the divinity of Jesus it contradicts many clear passages and mystifies God into a three person entity that is inconceivable. The trinity makes God out to be a nature or an essence shared by three persons rather than a singular person that he is. God says “ I am” not “we are”.
No trinity exists: Jesus crystal clear states He is WITH THE FATHER ONLY. God is NOT here "nobody has seen God at any time", God is here ONLY IN THE FORM OF A SPIRIT, He is the "Holy Spirit" aka "Spirit of God". God is actually AWAY, He is TRANSCENDENT. God is here with his words and actions, but at the same time He is absent, actually NOBODY is here. You do not have a "real time" relationship with God because God has ALREADY done ALL what He had to do. You talk to God who is in a different temporal dimension. The Holy Spirit is thus God in the form of a spirit (Jn. 4:23,24) not a third person, this means no trinity exits. Jesus states that the Father cannot be seen, that only the Son HAS SEEN (past tense) the Father, so that if you want to "somehow" see the Father the only option you have is to see the Son:"He who sees me SEES HIM who sent me." In fact "you see the Father when you see the Son" because the Son HAD BEEN the Father. The God's power is just an ATTRIBUTE of God, but - even without his power - God still is God. This is the difference between the almighty God and Jesus: the almighty God was able to do EVERYTHING even BEFORE the world was born, this is why "the world has not known you", at all. God thus got rid of his then useless power to become like a normal man: the Son of God. In this case "Son" hasn't his regular meaning, He isn't an ADDITIONAL person, it means Jesus DERIVES from God. Jesus is DIFFERENT from God since He is like a normal man now, not almighty anymore. Yet He is not DISTINCT from Him "I am in the Father and the Father in me" because Jesus HAD BEEN that almighty God. In other words Father and Son are not the same ONE God, but They are not "TWO distinct Gods" either. You can say that God is greater than one and less than two in number. In fact Jesus states that He sits next to the POWER, the latter being just a "thing".
Amen! Very well done. Unfortunately people still wont believe i think because they dont trust the new testament.Sad.Ok try Genesis 19 23 24 in short :Lot enters Zoar.Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire"from" the Lord out of heaven....2 Lords?one on earth and one in heaven.Genesis19 29 GOD remembered Abraham( His talk with him to save righteous ppl.the Lord(man who ate)
Genesis 18 1-8
Genesis 18 11-14 22 23 30 33.
Please non believers explain how there is a man on Earth who is God Genesis 19 29 and God in heaven at the same time.2 in nature but separate.Amen.I Love the Father ,Son and Holy spirit Amen.
Why would God need talk to himself in Gensis 1 when he already knew he would create man? More likely he spoke to his sons, who later took human wives as you can read in Genesis 6.
Sorry my friend the Trinity was established in 325 AD council of nicea by Constantine. Godhead means Diety not Trinity.
Peace be with you in the Name of Jesus the begotten Son of God.
First of all Trinity is NOT the teaching of JESUS and the apostles.
Trinity is invented by man because they know the Father of Jesus is True/existing and the Son is True/existing and the Spirit is True/existing because all of that is true/existing they/you created your own God that is now called Trinity God.
Creating with our own God is used less God hates that so much.
Why God hate those who don't believe what he said to his Son.
Jesus said his Father is the only true God, but what did you/they says? BIG NO the TRINITY IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
you/they don't really know how to follow and accept the truth?
All who trap in that Trinity God, they don't really know who really Jesus is. And they are the people don't want the truth about the Son of God.
The only true God is no beginning, Jesus is the beginning of all creation of God. And he is also the last because through him all created by God. Like Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
The Trinity: (3 roles)
(Luke 1: 29-32 & Mark 3: 11):
Jesus is God, who came to the earth as a human through a divine birth through Mary, who was a virgin. Mary was God's servant/instrument only.
(Divine birth):
No father & mother needed.
Human only needs a father & a mother.
Jesus was born as the Son.
(John 14: 9-14 & 31):
Jesus said, the Father is in me, I'm in the Father.
(John 14: 16-17 & 26):
Jesus said, when I leave, the Holy Spirit will come.
Prophecy on Jesus birth:
(Luke 1: 26-38)
Angel told Mary, a virgin that she was highly favoured...
God being carried around by human parents?? Doesn't sound convincing. Sorry!
Jesus was and IS:
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.”
Twisting English translated verses to make Jesus into God doesn't prove a Trinity. Trinity is about THREE. Not TWO.
One simple verse that cannot be twisted tells us that Jesus was NEVER God.
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12 and confirmed by verses 20.
John and tons of others SAW Jesus.
The God head is 3 distinct individuals....but they have 1 purpose
I share my glory with no one
That is not a problem no one is as glorious as The Father.
Trinity is a way to pretend to be monotheists.
In end Christianity is polytheistic. Three persons with their own will, knowledge, and attributes are three gods.
False!
There are no not three in one, or three individual persons..
God is only one, and he sent his son to show who is him.
Now the Holy Spirit is the same Father, the Spirit and the Father are one individual person.
So Miaf the Father and the Holy spirt are one , where are the trinity?
There are not trinity. This a a misunderstanding of the Bible.
Father and Son, not any one else.
No, it's called the Godhead Eomans 1-20, Col 2-9: 1st John 5-7,
Godhead is a made up term.
(Colossians 2:9) because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
Jesus reflected his Creator's qualities.
The Greek word “theotetos” in Colossians 2:9 is translated “fullness of the Godhead” in the King James Version. However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, “theotetos” means “divinity” or “divine nature.” The fact that Christ possesses “divine nature” or the quality of “divinity” does not mean that Christ is God himself. It means that all of the excelling qualities that God the Father possesses also dwell in Christ. If Jesus is God, why does Colossians 3:1 say that Christ is “seated at the right hand of God”?
@@jollyrancher521 : Jesus is called as being the IMAGE of God (Col 1:15).
Images are never the real thing.
Obviously you haven’t read the Bible, please explain John 17:3 and all the verses that the Most High says I am alone and over 6628 times that he says that he is alone
Sir, you’re leading people down the wrong path, Jesus NEVER claimed godhood he claimed to be the son of God but never God or equal with God, Peter said you are the son of the living God, Jesus did not correct him and says no no Peter I am the almighty
YOU NEED TO READ THE BIBKE IN CONTEXT, not what you want to read into it and especially not what you have been wrongly taught
Well it seems like your one of those people who like to butcher the bible. Obviously the John 17:3 didn’t start in 17:3 it actually start in john 1.1.
The remarkable thing about the Trinity is that it can be Plural but also Singular
You need to listen to your words and edit properly. Other than that, it was a good video. Thank you.
No god head is the truth.
Jesus christ is idolatry see Zechariah 13 4-10 KJV
your go pro creator thing is a false equivalence, not a great start to a video