Note this scenario has been updated since I originally made this video. I completed it again here after the update: ua-cam.com/video/DzicnNwJE8M/v-deo.html
20:09 that villager just rocking to the sick AoE 2 music. Something I just noticed. The Jin have had some of the Buddhist statues from the Rise of the Raja's expansion added to their base. Neat!
So I tried this method and I think they may have updated the Jin's AI because in my playthrough they spawn way more knights. It is much harder to even get to castle if you keep doing it this way. The new method I used was to kill the engineer's military units but completely ignore them otherwise and transport all your units straight to the Jin island. Then drop a tc outside of their walls and build a base. As soon as you hit castle start attacking them and build rams and pikes. You won't have enough gold for camels if you do it like this. You can build farms or traps but traps are more efficient. Once you have destroyed the first TC age up and research drill at the castle among other things.
I changed it to build a TC outside Jin's gates and prepare some knights to protect your cannons that you get on the other side of the wall to destroy Jin's TC. Oddly they won't update to the Imperial Age after you deleted their main TC and start building from there. i built a castle to destroy the superior right towers to spot a gold mine, use it to build and upgrade your mangudais and your siege weapons, it's an easy call from there. you get 2 extra gold mines inside Jin's territory and they will surrender and leave their market for your trading units to collect gold without any of the other 3 interferring.
The idea was great, but with the current AI it's much harder. You played it on "hard", I had to go down to "standard" and still the AI rebuilds their TownCenter attack my TownCenter like crazy. I needed to additional Castles to protect the TC only to survive. But the basic idea is great.
There isnt even a need for a cheesy TC drop strategy. You can just build a base normally and just start attacking Jin early, while you are still castle age. Make sure to drop a castle at their base and preferabley have a TC in their island to extend your economy and for vils to repair your rams. Make rams for the towers and buildings, pikes to garrison in the rams and against the knights. a simple tower can kill an army of chu-ku-nus. raid their economy, especially wood economy since its in the front so its easy to kill. They will quickly stop collecting wood and wont be able to build a wonder, and will then fall easily.
I did a live to in order to get this achievements, for the ones doing it in standard just put a castle in front of the door and get ur canons to destroy Jin's town center then their ressources ;)
Difficult to build a TC on the southeast because their archers keep spotting my vills. Had to build my TC on the northeast gate, build a castle, use Light Cavalry to harass their eco and bait their army, and hope for the best.
For me defeating the scenario on hard was the more difficult part on the path to gain the achievement. After taking blues base, tc drop farm and wood, take 2 boar and fishboom into fast castle time, to plug the chinese gate with our own castle to gain peace on the main land. With that we have time to add two more TCs, go imperial and invade yellow with dream combo E-Mangudai, Hussar and Speedram. If done carefully done it is still early enough to prevent them to start their wonder.
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Few nitpicks : 1. If you saved all your army to use it to attack red, you could have easily killed his economy using cannons. 2. You could had built a castle instead of building so much towers. Would have helped considering magundai cost gold and wood, which you had in significant numbers. 3. Mongol fish traps are better than mongol farms so you should had made more docks for fishing ships, instead of making farms... 4. You could had destroyed a lot of red army by building demolition ships and attacking them while they were crossing the river to the engineers camp.
I think they have tweaked this scenario since then becuase now when I run to the gate there are a few Chu Ko Nu who are standing there ready to shoot my villagers. Attacking the wall piece no longer procs the AI to attack you all out. A few stay back and shoot your villagers trying to sneak in.
Totally agree, I've been playing it today and there's now a lot of starting chu ko nu outside and even when I took down the Jin TC, they started making a lot of knights despite having no food eco, they somehow started building a wonder despite my best efforts.
@@submarine_santafe8987 I think there is a window to hit them if you just slap down a TC build a Market and blacksmith. Get to Castle and then build a Castle in the eastern top corner of their base. Take out the towers there and mine the gold. Mangudai/Ram attack them, fall back to the castle when you start getting too overwhelmed. Take down their TC and kill all their villagers. I nearly nearly did it but i missed a few villagers who then proceded to put the Wonder down. I killed them and won the game anyway but yeah. No achievement. I think the key is to time your attack just right when you have enough Mangudai to kill their knights easily and back up your rams to knock over their Castles and TC
I experienced that too, way more chu ko nu to defend at the start and constant production of chu ko nu and knights even though they should have had no more eco. The video still gave me the right idea of approach, just was a lil bit harder to protect my own eco in early shoes. I was pretty slow with taking over their base after i castled but they never attempted to build a wonder.
Under the new patch, I went to Jin's island, built a TC on the north, went straight to Castle and built a castle right outside the north gate. From there, Mangudai and Petards are very useful. Still doable, just in a different way. DIdn't even go for the BBCs xD
I did defeat Jin by fast castle age and mangudai+ram raid. I killed most of its villagers so no wonder was built and when run out of resources, they resign. When i completed the scenario, no achieve T.T
Starting from this month's update, it seems impossible to do so. Jin's Chu Ko Nu will be more clever to realize your real strategy by not chasing your light cavalries.
I just did this last night with the TC drop plus those bombard cannons and a few skirms for stray Chu Ko Nu. I'm not a speedrunner by inclination, so I didn't bother killing the Engineers before getting going, and I rushed the cannons over to the transport without attacking red first, and that worked out well in the end.
I still think this scenario is kinda misrepresentative. For one, making all those factions Chinese kinda ignored how some of them were of very different ethnic group that have more to do with the Mongols and the central Asia civs. Second, they were in serious infighting even after the Mongols shown up, it'd reflect the history better if you can ally with one of them or something.
Agreed. While in vanilla AoE2 that would be hard to implement (obviously), now, with DE and 30+ civs, it seems kinda lazy. Especially with a fact, that a lot of scenarios have been (more or less) reworked. Even changing one of the factions to the Tatars would give some flavor.
Unless China gives up their propaganda of "One China", it would be almost impossible. No matter what ethnicity was there, as long as it was in now China, then it's Chinese history NOT of any other and of Chinese people. This is their propaganda.
And Song even planned to crush out Jin with Mongolians until they realized their true power. And Song was not completely conquered until Kublai's reign. Should have added the option to ally with Song against the other three in the scenario as it's more historically accurate
I both love and hate this level. The former purely for the line: "What do men that live in huts know of the word culture" Because my answer is always, "How to knock it down." ;)
sadly this achievement is still bugged and the trick with the TC inside Jin's base is not working anymore, at least for me as the Chu Ko Nu will attack the villagers instead of chasing my army so i can't get through the gate
Can't you just build a castle outside of Jin's territory and lure them out by poking the walls with the game's actual version? I even tried using a tiny attack ship to shoot a wall with a castle by the right side of the map but nobody came...
You shouldn't worry about the bombard cannons. The jin are tributed 10000 of each resource when you capture them. You can just transport ypur troops directly into jin at their dock and TC strategy that way. And Focus down the castle with rams gradually and kill villagers with your calvary
@@CoranhonPlaying It's a known game mechanic that's been carried over from original AOE. Jin's score increases thusly. It's a mechanic designed to proc their wonder construction.
I'm really bummed by this. I'm trying to get this achievement but the game crashes every time I try to discover Bombards or advance to Castle Age. Even in new game, where i head straight for bombards, the game crashes. This didn't happen in my previous playthrough, few days back, on Hard mode. Does anyone know a fix for this? This is happening after I updated the game on 29th Feb, 2020.
@@T-West I successfully progressed into castle Age without attempting for Bombards. It seems this move is OP and this triggers some AI resources via a script which causes the said crash instantly. Hopefully this will be fixed in next patch. Lets see if I can complete this without any further crash. Thanks for speedy response though. You're the best AOE player I have seen on YT. God Bless, Bro.
@@T-West YES! Got the achievement on hard finally. After beating Jin it's just a cake walk in one go with a single army to steam roll the rest. imgur.com/Gq5vTnF
Wish I had read this comment before i tried my run. I got the conditions for the achievement; then sat back to build up a force to detroy the last three opponents. Crashed when I got to the Bombards. That'll teach me for not saving. 11. Gg.
I don't think you have the stone for that, at least not on Hard. The speed runs I remember are TC pushes on the Job while using army to kill the other players.
is the bug on rewarding the achievement fixed ? I did what was told, but actually on the very last second (reloading a lot to prevent villagers to start building the wonder), but I didn't earn it. I noticed Jin destroys his forges before building it, so I don't know if the achievement relies on that event.
As far as I know the achievement is working currently. The original bug with the achievement, as well as the subsequent bug where capturing the Bombard Cannons caused the game to crash, both should be fixed now. But then again with DE, I would never be surprised if something were broken...
@@T-West I tried it again and it worked, I guess the timing considered for the achievement is when Jin decides to build the wonder (collapsing forges), not when he actually starts building it. I combined your strategy (building on Jin's island, with a castle near the base) with the one I used before (as many light cavalry as possible to kill peasants). Thanks for the help !
It seems like there is one civ without its own civ win achievement. I dont know which it is but i just counted all the civ win achievements which came down to 34. There are 35 civs to play. I did have the same problem as an achievement hunter. After finishing all the achievements for civ wins i didnt unlock "age of empires". Only after a few games as random i eventually got the civ with no achievement and unlocked "age of empires". You have to take a look which civ has no achievement and then win one game with it.
The method depicted in this video is risky, but occupying the empty land northeast of yellow and booming can be just as effective. Jin will become very strong if you leave them alone for too long, but early on I've found they're less of a nuisance than the other three Chinese factions usually are (if you choose to build on the mainland). Use the fish to get started, chop wood like crazy, castle reasonably quickly and plop one down, preferably near or inside their base to keep their villager numbers down. I didn't need to mine Jin's gold to defeat them, although that is an option that can be worth the trouble. A small force of mangudai backed by light cavalry can get the job done, but only if you retrieve the cannons. Fetching the bombard cannons as early as possible (and getting them back to your camp in one piece) makes a huge difference if you're aiming for this achievement - yellow's formidable defenses become trivial if you can ship the bombards back successfully. Just make sure to keep the escort away from the great wall's towers, and use 'no attack' stance so they don't aggro red or green on the way back to your transport.
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Note this scenario has been updated since I originally made this video. I completed it again here after the update: ua-cam.com/video/DzicnNwJE8M/v-deo.html
20:09 that villager just rocking to the sick AoE 2 music.
Something I just noticed. The Jin have had some of the Buddhist statues from the Rise of the Raja's expansion added to their base. Neat!
That village sneak into the wall was so genius!!! Never seen that before
So I tried this method and I think they may have updated the Jin's AI because in my playthrough they spawn way more knights. It is much harder to even get to castle if you keep doing it this way. The new method I used was to kill the engineer's military units but completely ignore them otherwise and transport all your units straight to the Jin island. Then drop a tc outside of their walls and build a base. As soon as you hit castle start attacking them and build rams and pikes. You won't have enough gold for camels if you do it like this. You can build farms or traps but traps are more efficient. Once you have destroyed the first TC age up and research drill at the castle among other things.
I changed it to build a TC outside Jin's gates and prepare some knights to protect your cannons that you get on the other side of the wall to destroy Jin's TC. Oddly they won't update to the Imperial Age after you deleted their main TC and start building from there. i built a castle to destroy the superior right towers to spot a gold mine, use it to build and upgrade your mangudais and your siege weapons, it's an easy call from there. you get 2 extra gold mines inside Jin's territory and they will surrender and leave their market for your trading units to collect gold without any of the other 3 interferring.
Transport the sheep its a transport sheep
The idea was great, but with the current AI it's much harder. You played it on "hard", I had to go down to "standard" and still the AI rebuilds their TownCenter attack my TownCenter like crazy. I needed to additional Castles to protect the TC only to survive. But the basic idea is great.
Thanks for this, really helpful.
There isnt even a need for a cheesy TC drop strategy. You can just build a base normally and just start attacking Jin early, while you are still castle age. Make sure to drop a castle at their base and preferabley have a TC in their island to extend your economy and for vils to repair your rams.
Make rams for the towers and buildings, pikes to garrison in the rams and against the knights. a simple tower can kill an army of chu-ku-nus.
raid their economy, especially wood economy since its in the front so its easy to kill.
They will quickly stop collecting wood and wont be able to build a wonder, and will then fall easily.
just opening the walls and raiding with fully upgraded scouts works as well :) love the guides!
I did a live to in order to get this achievements, for the ones doing it in standard just put a castle in front of the door and get ur canons to destroy Jin's town center then their ressources ;)
Me: fucking jin, they make this scenario too hard!
Twest: hold my beer
guys dont kno but thers a one wall gap at teh very end of the China wall to the left of the map, where u can sneak in any one thru
Difficult to build a TC on the southeast because their archers keep spotting my vills. Had to build my TC on the northeast gate, build a castle, use Light Cavalry to harass their eco and bait their army, and hope for the best.
For me defeating the scenario on hard was the more difficult part on the path to gain the achievement.
After taking blues base, tc drop farm and wood, take 2 boar and fishboom into fast castle time, to plug the chinese gate with our own castle to gain peace on the main land.
With that we have time to add two more TCs, go imperial and invade yellow with dream combo E-Mangudai, Hussar and Speedram. If done carefully done it is still early enough to prevent them to start their wonder.
Few nitpicks :
1. If you saved all your army to use it to attack red, you could have easily killed his economy using cannons.
2. You could had built a castle instead of building so much towers. Would have helped considering magundai cost gold and wood, which you had in significant numbers.
3. Mongol fish traps are better than mongol farms so you should had made more docks for fishing ships, instead of making farms...
4. You could had destroyed a lot of red army by building demolition ships and attacking them while they were crossing the river to the engineers camp.
I think they have tweaked this scenario since then becuase now when I run to the gate there are a few Chu Ko Nu who are standing there ready to shoot my villagers.
Attacking the wall piece no longer procs the AI to attack you all out. A few stay back and shoot your villagers trying to sneak in.
Totally agree, I've been playing it today and there's now a lot of starting chu ko nu outside and even when I took down the Jin TC, they started making a lot of knights despite having no food eco, they somehow started building a wonder despite my best efforts.
@@submarine_santafe8987
I think there is a window to hit them if you just slap down a TC build a Market and blacksmith.
Get to Castle and then build a Castle in the eastern top corner of their base. Take out the towers there and mine the gold.
Mangudai/Ram attack them, fall back to the castle when you start getting too overwhelmed.
Take down their TC and kill all their villagers.
I nearly nearly did it but i missed a few villagers who then proceded to put the Wonder down. I killed them and won the game anyway but yeah. No achievement.
I think the key is to time your attack just right when you have enough Mangudai to kill their knights easily and back up your rams to knock over their Castles and TC
I experienced that too, way more chu ko nu to defend at the start and constant production of chu ko nu and knights even though they should have had no more eco. The video still gave me the right idea of approach, just was a lil bit harder to protect my own eco in early shoes. I was pretty slow with taking over their base after i castled but they never attempted to build a wonder.
Me during the HD days: We can use a transport for this?
Under the new patch, I went to Jin's island, built a TC on the north, went straight to Castle and built a castle right outside the north gate. From there, Mangudai and Petards are very useful. Still doable, just in a different way. DIdn't even go for the BBCs xD
I did defeat Jin by fast castle age and mangudai+ram raid. I killed most of its villagers so no wonder was built and when run out of resources, they resign. When i completed the scenario, no achieve T.T
This issue seems to be fixed in the recent patch.
@@T-West along with furor teutonic, which i got yesterday. Anyway, I have to replay all campaigns for gold lmao
@@khacnhatminhminhle5075 just complete each scenario without cheats. Gold is granted if you do it at hard
@@khacnhatminhminhle5075 all scenarios made b4 patch grant bronze medal. To get gold you must replay them at hard difficulty
@@khacnhatminhminhle5075 Secondary objectives do not affect medals. Just try to beat every scenario at hard difficulty.
Starting from this month's update, it seems impossible to do so. Jin's Chu Ko Nu will be more clever to realize your real strategy by not chasing your light cavalries.
OH NO! So now we will need actual skills to complete a hard achievement?
AniMangoVideo I remembered T-West already had an update.
I just did this last night with the TC drop plus those bombard cannons and a few skirms for stray Chu Ko Nu. I'm not a speedrunner by inclination, so I didn't bother killing the Engineers before getting going, and I rushed the cannons over to the transport without attacking red first, and that worked out well in the end.
This strat is amazing lmfao thanks bro
True enemy of this scenario in Original was how laggy used to become at mid game 11.
I still think this scenario is kinda misrepresentative. For one, making all those factions Chinese kinda ignored how some of them were of very different ethnic group that have more to do with the Mongols and the central Asia civs.
Second, they were in serious infighting even after the Mongols shown up, it'd reflect the history better if you can ally with one of them or something.
Agreed. While in vanilla AoE2 that would be hard to implement (obviously), now, with DE and 30+ civs, it seems kinda lazy. Especially with a fact, that a lot of scenarios have been (more or less) reworked. Even changing one of the factions to the Tatars would give some flavor.
I guess its more of a balance decision. In games like this you need to toe the line between historical accuracy and game difficulty
In addition, Jin originated from Manchuria.
Unless China gives up their propaganda of "One China", it would be almost impossible. No matter what ethnicity was there, as long as it was in now China, then it's Chinese history NOT of any other and of Chinese people. This is their propaganda.
And Song even planned to crush out Jin with Mongolians until they realized their true power. And Song was not completely conquered until Kublai's reign. Should have added the option to ally with Song against the other three in the scenario as it's more historically accurate
I both love and hate this level. The former purely for the line:
"What do men that live in huts know of the word culture"
Because my answer is always, "How to knock it down." ;)
Dat slide at 14:53 tho. Plus they killed one of your own to top it off
Oh that slide is amazing. ty DE.
This was my childhood nightmare
It can't be done anymore, they added cho nu kus next to the gates under
22:52 is this a saying in america or you just quoted Easy E?:) I m not american myself so I'm really curious
That's a common expression.
@@T-West oh ok thank you. btw I really love your content and I wish you'll get more views and subs. Like this chanel is underrated asf
@@radustefan895 Thanks! :)
sadly this achievement is still bugged and the trick with the TC inside Jin's base is not working anymore, at least for me as the Chu Ko Nu will attack the villagers instead of chasing my army so i can't get through the gate
Same for me, seems this cho nu kus are newly added there
How the Heck ?? I did it exactly the Same way as you did but as soon as my TC stands there are like 40 Units attacking instantly...
The scenario has been updated, see here: ua-cam.com/video/DzicnNwJE8M/v-deo.html
@@T-West Thanks. Saw it after my Comment. you barely made it with the Time Left and your insanly Fast. Ill try my best wir my 10 APM xD
Can't you just build a castle outside of Jin's territory and lure them out by poking the walls with the game's actual version?
I even tried using a tiny attack ship to shoot a wall with a castle by the right side of the map but nobody came...
I tried it unfornatly the AI forgets the scouts goes straight to villagers not sure what's that about
You shouldn't worry about the bombard cannons. The jin are tributed 10000 of each resource when you capture them. You can just transport ypur troops directly into jin at their dock and TC strategy that way. And Focus down the castle with rams gradually and kill villagers with your calvary
Where you saw that Jin got all these amount of resources just by getting that bombard cannons?
@@CoranhonPlaying It's a known game mechanic that's been carried over from original AOE. Jin's score increases thusly. It's a mechanic designed to proc their wonder construction.
@@deadeyeridge check the video - at 12:20 - Jin doesnt get any Points, so no Resources
I tried to fast castle and then the Tanguts ruined it by destroying my town center three times. Needed 20 years or so more
I'm really bummed by this. I'm trying to get this achievement but the game crashes every time I try to discover Bombards or advance to Castle Age. Even in new game, where i head straight for bombards, the game crashes. This didn't happen in my previous playthrough, few days back, on Hard mode. Does anyone know a fix for this? This is happening after I updated the game on 29th Feb, 2020.
Oh, yeah, just checked and it crashes for mere there now, too. I'll pass this on to the dev team.
@@T-West I successfully progressed into castle Age without attempting for Bombards. It seems this move is OP and this triggers some AI resources via a script which causes the said crash instantly. Hopefully this will be fixed in next patch. Lets see if I can complete this without any further crash. Thanks for speedy response though. You're the best AOE player I have seen on YT. God Bless, Bro.
@@T-West YES! Got the achievement on hard finally. After beating Jin it's just a cake walk in one go with a single army to steam roll the rest.
imgur.com/Gq5vTnF
Wish I had read this comment before i tried my run.
I got the conditions for the achievement; then sat back to build up a force to detroy the last three opponents.
Crashed when I got to the Bombards. That'll teach me for not saving.
11. Gg.
i thought the speedrun was to sneak vils in and build a castle at jin's base
I don't think you have the stone for that, at least not on Hard. The speed runs I remember are TC pushes on the Job while using army to kill the other players.
is the bug on rewarding the achievement fixed ? I did what was told, but actually on the very last second (reloading a lot to prevent villagers to start building the wonder), but I didn't earn it. I noticed Jin destroys his forges before building it, so I don't know if the achievement relies on that event.
As far as I know the achievement is working currently. The original bug with the achievement, as well as the subsequent bug where capturing the Bombard Cannons caused the game to crash, both should be fixed now. But then again with DE, I would never be surprised if something were broken...
@@T-West I tried it again and it worked, I guess the timing considered for the achievement is when Jin decides to build the wonder (collapsing forges), not when he actually starts building it. I combined your strategy (building on Jin's island, with a castle near the base) with the one I used before (as many light cavalry as possible to kill peasants). Thanks for the help !
I cant do this... Jin keeps spamming chu-ku-nu and then even gets the range updrade...
If it helps, trying to kill their villagers early should stop them from having the resources for their upgrades.
@@T-West that did the trick. Thanks!
13/02/2020, this achievement still bugged :s
Plus they added cho nu kus on the lower door
So you kill Jin's TC before he could go imp, then he'll never be able to a build wonder. Smart.
They are not building it, it's trigger
Too difficult for me...this map took me 3h+++
Good game well party! Out of my mind hahaha
I think the "age of empires" achievement is bugged.
I've heard other people complaining about not unlocking that achievement. I'll ask the devs about that.
@@T-West thanks
It seems like there is one civ without its own civ win achievement. I dont know which it is but i just counted all the civ win achievements which came down to 34. There are 35 civs to play.
I did have the same problem as an achievement hunter. After finishing all the achievements for civ wins i didnt unlock "age of empires". Only after a few games as random i eventually got the civ with no achievement and unlocked "age of empires".
You have to take a look which civ has no achievement and then win one game with it.
@@Br0cx I literally went down the list and did every one in a standard game.
@@Br0cx Just checked the list... the Lithuanians are missing an achievement for winning with them!
I won in the age of king for four hour
Sooo that's how to do this achievement :D
This method totally does not work now. Enemy base has now like +1000% health. We cant wreck it from inside da base.
The method depicted in this video is risky, but occupying the empty land northeast of yellow and booming can be just as effective. Jin will become very strong if you leave them alone for too long, but early on I've found they're less of a nuisance than the other three Chinese factions usually are (if you choose to build on the mainland).
Use the fish to get started, chop wood like crazy, castle reasonably quickly and plop one down, preferably near or inside their base to keep their villager numbers down. I didn't need to mine Jin's gold to defeat them, although that is an option that can be worth the trouble. A small force of mangudai backed by light cavalry can get the job done, but only if you retrieve the cannons.
Fetching the bombard cannons as early as possible (and getting them back to your camp in one piece) makes a huge difference if you're aiming for this achievement - yellow's formidable defenses become trivial if you can ship the bombards back successfully. Just make sure to keep the escort away from the great wall's towers, and use 'no attack' stance so they don't aggro red or green on the way back to your transport.