I'm on the beta team for Waves. I can assure you gain compensation has been requested many times. There actually is some gain compensation happening it's just not enough to do the job properly. Great video man and the mix sounds great! Just figured I would chime in lol. I'm sure they will continue to work on the compensation but gain compensation is incredibly difficult to program. I work with many plugin developers and they all say the same thing. So I know nothing about coding but I've heard from many companies that it's easier said than done in regards to gain compensation. Believe me tho many of us requested it. 🙂 As far as the decay times go, Magama Springs is actually a convolution reverb so I think it was affecting the sound having a fully adjustable decay time. I did request this as well haha!!
Thanks for the detailed comment! I had my suspicions that gain compensation is difficult, since even the more mainstream plugins don't do it right. My BBN105 for instance always needs about 3-4db of additional reduction after their algorithm. Waves usually impresses me with how tightly coded their plugs are though, so it's a bit surprising that even they struggle with it. I also appreciate you validating my finding with Magma Springs. Interesting stuff! Thanks again and thanks for watching @matt_nyc_audioengineer
Ya, it's because in emulations there is more going on than just the saturation. The model EVERYTHING. Well, that's the biggest reason anyway. On strictly a saturation plugin it's much simpler to code the plugin to respond properly. The other components they code never react the same way twice to the program material so it's difficult to predict how the processing will affect the audio. That's why sometimes bounces of the exact same mix with the exact same processing won't null sometimes even tho everything is exactly the same! It's because even tho it's the same signal chain and the same audio the components modeled react differently each time, just like analog gear would. Especially the transients. It's pretty crazy stuff haha!! @@cuomomusiccreation
That's exactly why I love using analog modeled plugins ... at least the well coded ones. The (buzz word alert) non-linearity! Now I understand why the gain compensation is extremely difficult to get right. Thanks for explaining that.@@matt_nyc_audioengineer
Sounds great, might have to grab all of them, and they definitely aren’t bad at all for what they cost, I have some Wave bundles and they are pretty reasonable. The Magma do have their limitations but I guess so did all the vintage gear compared to what we have today. The song was great and the mix with the mix sounded nice and warm and lush.
Awesome, I'm glad you liked the vid and the song/mix @nicolasstrawberry4148 ... The limitations are fine as long as you don't mind pairing them with more modern plugins.Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot @arjunselvaraj I'm glad you like it! At some point in the future I can make time for a mix walk through for sure. In the meantime is there any specific question you have?
when modern plugins emulating old hardware don't feature basic modern quality of life stuff like low-pass or gain control it really bugs the hell out of me.
I'm on the beta team for Waves. I can assure you gain compensation has been requested many times. There actually is some gain compensation happening it's just not enough to do the job properly. Great video man and the mix sounds great! Just figured I would chime in lol. I'm sure they will continue to work on the compensation but gain compensation is incredibly difficult to program. I work with many plugin developers and they all say the same thing. So I know nothing about coding but I've heard from many companies that it's easier said than done in regards to gain compensation. Believe me tho many of us requested it. 🙂
As far as the decay times go, Magama Springs is actually a convolution reverb so I think it was affecting the sound having a fully adjustable decay time. I did request this as well haha!!
Thanks for the detailed comment! I had my suspicions that gain compensation is difficult, since even the more mainstream plugins don't do it right. My BBN105 for instance always needs about 3-4db of additional reduction after their algorithm. Waves usually impresses me with how tightly coded their plugs are though, so it's a bit surprising that even they struggle with it.
I also appreciate you validating my finding with Magma Springs. Interesting stuff! Thanks again and thanks for watching @matt_nyc_audioengineer
Ya, it's because in emulations there is more going on than just the saturation. The model EVERYTHING. Well, that's the biggest reason anyway. On strictly a saturation plugin it's much simpler to code the plugin to respond properly. The other components they code never react the same way twice to the program material so it's difficult to predict how the processing will affect the audio. That's why sometimes bounces of the exact same mix with the exact same processing won't null sometimes even tho everything is exactly the same! It's because even tho it's the same signal chain and the same audio the components modeled react differently each time, just like analog gear would. Especially the transients. It's pretty crazy stuff haha!! @@cuomomusiccreation
That's exactly why I love using analog modeled plugins ... at least the well coded ones. The (buzz word alert) non-linearity! Now I understand why the gain compensation is extremely difficult to get right. Thanks for explaining that.@@matt_nyc_audioengineer
Good demo + I liked your production skill, level, taste. It sounds briliant!
Wow, I greatly appreciate the comment! Glad you dig the content 👍
That was an awesome show we had in Nashville. Miss that band. Great video too excellent instructions and examples. Love the song❤ thx
Thanks Justin!
Oh yeah, and it was memphis
@@cuomomusiccreationsame trip tho!
Sweet video dude!
Thanks a lot! Glad you took away something good 👍
Sounds great, might have to grab all of them, and they definitely aren’t bad at all for what they cost, I have some Wave bundles and they are pretty reasonable. The Magma do have their limitations but I guess so did all the vintage gear compared to what we have today. The song was great and the mix with the mix sounded nice and warm and lush.
Awesome, I'm glad you liked the vid and the song/mix @nicolasstrawberry4148 ... The limitations are fine as long as you don't mind pairing them with more modern plugins.Thanks a lot!
This mix is good. Can you do a start to finish Mix session?
Thanks a lot @arjunselvaraj I'm glad you like it!
At some point in the future I can make time for a mix walk through for sure. In the meantime is there any specific question you have?
when modern plugins emulating old hardware don't feature basic modern quality of life stuff like low-pass or gain control it really bugs the hell out of me.
Which plugin here doesn't have gain control?