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Chris Paul vs John Stockton: WHO IS THE BETTER POINT GUARD?

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  • Both John Stockton of the Utah Jazz and Chris Paul of the Los Angeles Clippers are the gold standard for point guard play in the NBA. Take a deep dive into their stats and footage and decide which one of these all time greats and hall of famers is the better player.
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  • @bballbreakdown
    @bballbreakdown  7 років тому +34

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    • @tristanjose5640
      @tristanjose5640 6 років тому +1

      Lol you lost the argument when you picked injured riddle cp3

    • @chumchumlol
      @chumchumlol 5 років тому +2

      u can't compare John to Chris because John is 100% better

    • @dragondragon5437
      @dragondragon5437 5 років тому

      @@chumchumlol Why not??He is by far better in playoff then Stockton..And 80 era wass faster pace general so Cp3 is better..

    • @TheJeramyJay
      @TheJeramyJay 5 років тому +1

      @@dragondragon5437 lol CP3 had to join the rockets just to make it to the WCF. They may have made it to the finals... Oh that's right cp3 was hurt again. Actually where is CP3 right now? Oh hurt again.
      CP3 is better than John Stockton at collecting a paycheck from sitting on the bench in street clothes.

    • @dragondragon5437
      @dragondragon5437 5 років тому

      @@TheJeramyJay Nostalgia... Image player with 13ppg in playoff hahaha

  • @pooPbutwhole
    @pooPbutwhole 7 років тому +1030

    .."2 words: Michael Jeffrey Jordan."
    -coach nick 2017

    • @xxxcashboydxxx9095
      @xxxcashboydxxx9095 7 років тому +5

      ML10040311 man i was about to say that

    • @joonaspenttila201
      @joonaspenttila201 6 років тому +6

      ML10040311 yeah i was just thinking about this and started looking for this comment

    • @ehtikhet
      @ehtikhet 6 років тому +4

      Scrolled down for this. Left happy.

    • @merwynabel7661
      @merwynabel7661 6 років тому

      7:13 HAHAHA

    • @asdfgdfasdfaff1959
      @asdfgdfasdfaff1959 6 років тому +10

      Just one if the many fuck ups this idiot makes: Stockton js the better player. End if story. If he had jumped around to better teams like CP3, he would have actually won a few rings. Stats are everything in this debate since they play in different era’s. Stockton has two records that will not be broken for at least another 15 years, and thats only if a player comes ariound that mimics his entire play style. Stockton is the better player, period end of story. Anyone that says otherwise is being biased against the unpopular Jazz player.

  • @TanstA
    @TanstA 7 років тому +660

    I just realized Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are the weak versions of Stockton and Malone. lol

    • @baselinejordan1744
      @baselinejordan1744 6 років тому +11

      Lord Penguin good one lol

    • @fatdudeswag404
      @fatdudeswag404 6 років тому +38

      Foreal tho and there even more athletic and didn't do shit.. I'll choose stockton

    • @salainiccolo5883
      @salainiccolo5883 6 років тому +7

      Lord Penguin the poor man's version

    • @jemfeliciano4983
      @jemfeliciano4983 6 років тому +38

      fatdudeswag404 except stockton and malone has more iq and chemistry 😂

    • @seananthony7494
      @seananthony7494 6 років тому +32

      Or a better version of Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp...

  • @pedro_6925
    @pedro_6925 7 років тому +55

    Stockton played all 82 games on 16 seasons. Oh my God. GOAT

  • @trentirwin7340
    @trentirwin7340 6 років тому +164

    I think it’s insulting to make the comparison. John Stockton easily. No contest or debate.

    • @Tstewa4869
      @Tstewa4869 5 років тому +4

      Trent Irwin Making the comparison isn't the problem. It's just making it into an argument of who's better that makes it a problem. Stockton was as pure as a point guard gets, but CP3 is the last of the dying breed for pass first playmakers and ran a lot of plays from the mid-range, so I can see where comparisons arise.

    • @Biid21
      @Biid21 5 років тому +1

      Trent Irwin it’s not embarrassing stop it kid.

    • @alejandromarmolejo13
      @alejandromarmolejo13 4 роки тому +7

      Trent Irwin it’s not insulting. It’s more insulting of your part to devaluate a legend like Chris Paul like that

    • @dandsch
      @dandsch 4 роки тому +1

      @@alejandromarmolejo13 Chris Paul doesnt even come close to John Stockton. Like there is no comparison. John Stockton is clearly the better point guard.

    • @Ma1q444
      @Ma1q444 5 місяців тому

      John Stockton had no handles

  • @samdatech
    @samdatech 7 років тому +449

    The best ability is availability.. so i am going with John Stockton

    • @RumbleFighterSolid
      @RumbleFighterSolid 7 років тому +2

      Samuel Robles lol

    • @budabudimir1
      @budabudimir1 7 років тому +63

      This might be the best point in comment section. How could you not pick a player that played so hard, yet could not be injured.

    • @relaxandwork4666
      @relaxandwork4666 7 років тому +2

      God WestBrick CP3 > Lurry

    • @nabilghafar9150
      @nabilghafar9150 6 років тому +10

      Correct. Even though CP3 is great, he got injured many times and in the playoff too. So, if you're not on the court, you can't help the team.

    • @braynk
      @braynk 5 років тому

      Arson Hakobyan, game 7 of the western finals.

  • @vitorabf
    @vitorabf 7 років тому +1192

    Two words: michael jeffrey jordan. Lol

    • @tarodfowlkes3934
      @tarodfowlkes3934 7 років тому +16

      Vitor Augusto that's three words idiot

    • @muellerjosephl
      @muellerjosephl 7 років тому +138

      tarod fowlkes ur more of an idiot than he is

    • @luisangelcortezjr14
      @luisangelcortezjr14 7 років тому +62

      tarod fowlkes you're the idiot, he was making a joke

    • @Josh-dm7cu
      @Josh-dm7cu 7 років тому +32

      tarod fowlkes he was quoting bballbreakdown dummy

    • @mcray0309
      @mcray0309 7 років тому +23

      the fact that youre alive is amazing with that low of a chromosome count

  • @spenceranderson5066
    @spenceranderson5066 7 років тому +90

    Gary Payton said Stock was harder to guard than Michael Jordan. cp3 is a beast, but he'll never touch John Stockton

    • @Coldskin1
      @Coldskin1 3 роки тому +2

      Its hard to guard because no one wants to help def because of Malone and the pick roll almost all ways leaves him open

    • @toshirohitsugaya857
      @toshirohitsugaya857 2 роки тому +6

      @@Coldskin1 No, because Stockton can litteraly make everything. A great pass or a shoot if you don't pay attention or drive to the bucket.

    • @Ma1q444
      @Ma1q444 5 місяців тому

      Stockton is overrated

  • @josephtedros2089
    @josephtedros2089 7 років тому +49

    jazz won in 7 because of the ghost of John stockton's career

  • @williamweber6406
    @williamweber6406 7 років тому +649

    7:05 This dude said "2 words 'Michael Jeffrey Jordan'." How to count 101

    • @damiester1
      @damiester1 7 років тому +29

      Dude, he's American.

    • @williamweber6406
      @williamweber6406 7 років тому +8

      Oh shit my bad I didn't know.

    • @mcray0309
      @mcray0309 7 років тому +3

      what does that have to do with it

    • @williamweber6406
      @williamweber6406 7 років тому +12

      Absolutely nothing.

    • @mcray0309
      @mcray0309 7 років тому +3

      im sorry this is mind fucking me, did someone delete a reply or somthing

  • @ASB_69
    @ASB_69 7 років тому +479

    Stockton easily. Great passer and had a solid 3pt shot. His defense was top notch and he played hard every single minute. No attitude, just wanted to win.
    He was hard to play against. Guys around the league hated him. Cp3 is nice but Stockton is better.

    • @usr2842
      @usr2842 7 років тому +28

      CP3 defence is better, he's already made way more all defensive teams but gotta go with John because CP3 never been to Conference finals

    • @ASB_69
      @ASB_69 7 років тому +25

      Ujjal Ray Defensive teams are overrated. Based more on popularity most of the time.
      Paul won't match Stocktons assists numbers or steals.

    • @johnjohnson6980
      @johnjohnson6980 7 років тому +4

      Ujjal Ray cp3 is overrated trash

    • @vitorabf
      @vitorabf 7 років тому +33

      CP3 a better defender than stockton, also is right up with him in passing and 3pt, while taking better care of the ball

    • @nickmclawhorn5559
      @nickmclawhorn5559 7 років тому +43

      All of those things could describe cp3 too.

  • @Mrpedr092
    @Mrpedr092 5 років тому +60

    Magic said himself that every point guard should watch John Stockton and try and be like him. Enough said.

    • @danielpaz671
      @danielpaz671 2 роки тому

      You mean don't dribble with your off hand?

  • @MrPainfulTruth
    @MrPainfulTruth 7 років тому +8

    In Stocktons era, "dribbling skills werent evolved"...you could also say that back then, travel palming and double dribble were actually called

  • @jasonjasonson9154
    @jasonjasonson9154 7 років тому +272

    john stockton and it aint even close

    • @hayteren
      @hayteren 5 років тому +8

      I mean, if CP ever got close to even one of those godlike records, it might be a discussion. Spoiler: He's not coming close

    • @kaito3528
      @kaito3528 5 років тому +5

      lol Stockton didn’t even have a left hand

    • @AJ-is5ut
      @AJ-is5ut 5 років тому +1

      @@kaito3528 he didn't need one you fkin clown

    • @kaito3528
      @kaito3528 5 років тому +4

      Basil Carpenter jr He played with Karl Malone for 19 seasons all of his assists would come him getting trapped picking up his dribble and passed it to Malone who would do a quick post move and Stockton undeservingly getting an assist

    • @AJ-is5ut
      @AJ-is5ut 5 років тому +2

      @@kaito3528 yeah, keep trying to make weak ass fucking excuses you hater. He was the epitome of a point guard , period. Tough as hell for his size, not a bitch baby like most of the players today

  • @rexgiacomoguianan1202
    @rexgiacomoguianan1202 7 років тому +177

    John led his team in 19 playoffs appearances and 2 finals appearance.Also Stockton is NBA all time assist and steals leader by a mile.

    • @gmoney5947
      @gmoney5947 5 років тому +2

      Rex Giacomo Guianan by 100 miles

    • @gmoney5947
      @gmoney5947 5 років тому +28

      Arson Hakobyan have you seen how many games Stockton missed in his career. The answer is 22. He was 1502/1524. You don’t even want to know how many games CP3 has missed. Also I assume you’re saying he’d beat Stockton 1 v 1 and not 5 v 5, because every hall of famer would pick Stockton over CP3 at PG 9/10 times.

    • @martin4484
      @martin4484 5 років тому +1

      G Money How’d you know they’d pick Stockton? You asked them 1 by 1? CP3 isn’t bad himself, with what he shown in his career he can be put into the debate of the GOAT PGs that ever played. I personally think Stockton is better, but it’d be better to construct your arguments without bringing down the other. You’re disrespecting what Paul has done in the league as if you really know who every HOF would pick. And if ever they did ofc more would pick Stockton since some played with him.

    • @atomaalatonal
      @atomaalatonal 5 років тому +3

      he is also one of the most efficient players in history, due to efficiency ratings on nba alltime stats. just for comparison, bryant is one of the worst efficient, like westbrook

    • @wavyiann9788
      @wavyiann9788 5 років тому +2

      He was overall a better defender better passer and better shooter you can argue he’s just as efficient as Chris Paul

  • @cooperlloyd707
    @cooperlloyd707 6 років тому +135

    That's hilarious.... John Stockton any day of the week that ends in the letter y. All-Time career record in assists AND steals! He has also found way more success in the Playoffs, reaching the NBA Finals TWICE! Stockton is way too underrated, if he played somewhere besides Utah, he would be known as the greatest point guard ever!

    • @NOYOUSHUTUP3.14
      @NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 4 роки тому +1

      Zeke said Stockton would've been even better in a more free form offense than the pick and role heavy Utah offense. Granted Isaiah hates Karl Malone and that might be a dig on Karl but Isaiah doesn't give out praise lightly (if at all). One other thing is CP3 is considered a bit of an asshole in the league (just ask Rondo). Plus he's wound so tight he fails in the clutch too often for my taste

    • @leos_27
      @leos_27 4 роки тому +1

      Stockton has a reserved personality, just about that, the people doesn't consider him as one of the all time greats.

    • @thefab0075
      @thefab0075 3 роки тому

      Stockton have a losing record in the Playoffs you Know that

    • @billiondollarbull
      @billiondollarbull 3 роки тому +1

      1. Stockton played in the handchecking era when it was easier to get steals.
      2. CP3 never had Karl Malone for almost 20 years. At best he had Blake Griffin who is nothing compared to the mailman.
      3. CP3 has one of the most sauce of all time and Stockton has trash skills. Stockton never finishes with his left hand, even when going left. Find me a clip of him using his left hand and I'll give a $100.

    • @jackmiller9864
      @jackmiller9864 3 роки тому

      @@billiondollarbull ur a hack lol

  • @zachwachs4058
    @zachwachs4058 6 років тому +66

    Chris Paul isn't worthy of being mentioned when it comes to John Stockton. John Stockton is the best point guard to ever play basketball ever. John Stockton's records will never be broken.

    • @TheRealNeil-kc7si
      @TheRealNeil-kc7si 4 роки тому

      False

    • @blakespadaro2313
      @blakespadaro2313 3 роки тому +2

      Stockton isn’t better then
      Magic Johnson
      Steph Curry
      Oscar Robertson
      Jerry West
      And Isiah Thomas
      I’ll put him over Chris Paul
      He’s got an argument over Isiah but I’ll take Isiah. Stockton is still 6 or 7th best PG ever

    • @eikokaniken6662
      @eikokaniken6662 3 роки тому

      @@blakespadaro2313 1 magic johnson 2isiah thomas 3 john stockton

    • @Robertedwinhouse38
      @Robertedwinhouse38 3 роки тому

      This didn’t age well

    • @eikokaniken6662
      @eikokaniken6662 3 роки тому +2

      @@Robertedwinhouse38 it aged well you aged late

  • @ADAJ3KINGANGEL
    @ADAJ3KINGANGEL 7 років тому +29

    Stockton's longevity and lack of injuries is amazing.

    • @lukejbarnett1
      @lukejbarnett1 Рік тому +1

      that's another thing that makes stockton better than paul which i didnt think about stockton always played like 80 or 81 or 82 games every year whereas paul never played 82 games pretty much.

    • @OfficialG5Tv
      @OfficialG5Tv Рік тому

      @@lukejbarnett1bro he didn’t do anything but pass how could he get hurt. CP3 was a scorer AND passer it’s no debate.

    • @penkima4923
      @penkima4923 11 місяців тому

      @@OfficialG5Tv "...how could he get hurt."
      Google 80's basketball. In fact, google basketball.

    • @masterchinese28
      @masterchinese28 8 місяців тому +1

      Malone tells the story of when a trainer refused to set Stockton's broken leg, so he did it himself. Tough as nails.

  • @kawhileongoat1454
    @kawhileongoat1454 7 років тому +505

    Stockton no doubt, go watch the vid " The most underrated career in NBA history" by SWISHOUT

    • @CoolingKit9
      @CoolingKit9 7 років тому +4

      Real Bars no

    • @leontran2427
      @leontran2427 7 років тому +23

      By saying this "no doubt" you are underrated Chris Paul a lot.

    • @zuffyg4772
      @zuffyg4772 7 років тому +4

      Real Bars stockton not every underrated. He's always brought up in top5 PG convos

    • @jic333
      @jic333 7 років тому +1

      Leon Tran No he is just saying he was that good.

    • @notjamz2914
      @notjamz2914 7 років тому +6

      ZuffyG but people question his #1/2 status and put steve nash and Kidd over him

  • @andrewbochicchio4289
    @andrewbochicchio4289 7 років тому +249

    What a joke....Stockton is so much better

    • @keshon79
      @keshon79 6 років тому +2

      Dominic dominic Chill out stockton was good but co3 bette

    • @SuperJoobers
      @SuperJoobers 6 років тому +13

      Dominic dominic he relied on the whole team! He was a point gaurd. Weak players he went up against Gary Payton, Vernon maxwell, Kevin Johnson, Kenny Smith,Tim hardaway,terry porter, all in the West! Rock solid my dude. Sure the game has evolved, but for people to say players was weak in the 90’s is bullshit. I believe the this generation says it because they heard somewhere else, but they really don’t know for themselves.

    • @imarino1349
      @imarino1349 6 років тому +10

      John Stockton really is clearly ahead.
      If you say otherwise.....then you are either 12, or just have no knowledge of Basketball outside of the current era.

    • @aidanbernard1918
      @aidanbernard1918 6 років тому

      Dominic dominic and who did Paul face? 90’s are better than 00’s. Chris Paul’s career is almost over and he doesn’t lead assists

    • @dominiccart8967
      @dominiccart8967 6 років тому +2

      Lem dude stfu stockton leads in steals and assist he's better than Chris paul

  • @jakekidd6910
    @jakekidd6910 7 років тому +18

    It's John Stockton. He could do perfect cutting passes.

  • @gasnaked
    @gasnaked 7 років тому +155

    John Stockton is much better. Chris Paul likes to keep the ball in hands for 18s and do a solo play then. John was more like a commander. He always knew what to do and was so effective.

    • @saturndual32
      @saturndual32 7 років тому +3

      "Chris Paul likes to keep the ball in hands for 18s and do a solo play then."
      Glad you brought this up. Give me Stockton.

    • @anakovacevic6755
      @anakovacevic6755 7 років тому +9

      This is not true.

    • @PodRealoaded
      @PodRealoaded 6 років тому

      Gas you had fun watching CP3 highlights.

    • @duanedoldrum7570
      @duanedoldrum7570 5 років тому +7

      You clearly have 0 clue or idea of what you're talking about. This is false, and you are stupid.

    • @dcyoungfly187
      @dcyoungfly187 5 років тому +3

      That's BS man u dont have to diss CP3 to justify Stockton greatness CP3 feeds his team also that's y he averaged almost 10assist n his career per game.

  • @Danielnhint
    @Danielnhint 7 років тому +220

    John Stockton played against the greats and dominated... no mention to 24pts, 24assists and 5steals vs Lakers in 1988 playoffs at the forum? Chris Paul is said to be better because media needs audience... when he retires people will continue comparing the next big PG against Stockton not CP3...

    • @AndyZach
      @AndyZach 7 років тому +6

      Truth.

    • @TheYop996
      @TheYop996 7 років тому +23

      Forgiven Sinner 20/20/0

    • @Janinho897
      @Janinho897 7 років тому +8

      you could have easily said the first sentence with the starting two words to be "Chris Paul". And I also don't really believe in that people will compare upcoming PGs to Stockton like he's the first ever great PG. CP3 will be just as legendary when he retires and people will look back at this Point God.

    • @sohaminyoh
      @sohaminyoh 7 років тому +2

      Yeah do you realize how many of those assists were simple post entry passes? Stockton only had 3 years where he was winning a substantial amount of games in the playoffs for his team: and that was '96 through '98.

    • @charezramirez1224
      @charezramirez1224 7 років тому

      Daniel Alves You're an idiot

  • @diogocosta1305
    @diogocosta1305 7 років тому +97

    CP3 is really good, but Stockton get's my vote

  • @pele1281
    @pele1281 7 років тому +46

    None of the stats you've used here account for pace. John Stockton's teams played at a relatively slow pace compared to Chris Paul's teams.
    Per 100 possessions, Stockton scored 20+ points and had 17+ assists (peaking at 23 and 19.4, respectively) for 8 straight seasons. Chris Paul has never posted those numbers. Stockton did it for eight. straight. seasons.
    Despite never getting a finals ring, Stockton saw more postseason success, while CP3 has never been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    • @anakovacevic6755
      @anakovacevic6755 6 років тому +9

      lol what? you wanna talk about PER 100 POSSESIONS?
      yeah CP3 ONLY had:
      32ppg and 16apg in 2009
      30ppg and 16apg in 2008
      30ppg and 15apg in 2016
      29ppg and 14 apg in 2017
      27ppg and 15 apg in 2014
      27ppg and 15apg in 2013
      etc.
      So what would people rather have?
      32/16 or 23/19?? lmao the answer is clear
      DONT TALK SHIT IF YOU DONT KNOW SHIT
      32/16 IS BETTER THAN 23/19 IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHIT LIKE "PER 100 POSESSIONS" LOL

    • @nicknack5697
      @nicknack5697 2 роки тому

      @@anakovacevic6755 Wanna talk about 20010-2012 and 2017-2022 lol? John Stockton put up his 20/17 up every single year of his career not just half of them

  • @robtes2771
    @robtes2771 7 років тому +141

    Stockton>CP3. The only reason Stockton doesn't have a ring is because he ran into the GOAT for 2 straight NBA Finals. I love CP3 but he choked in 3 straight years in the playoffs. in 2013 the clippers were up 2-0 against the grizzlies and lost the next 4 games. in 2014 in game 5 against the thunder, the clippers were up 7 with 49 seconds left and CP3 had 2 straight turnovers before fouling Westbrook on a 3 that cost them the game and the series. in 2015 the clippers were up 3-1 against the rockets and blew the series. Now the warriors are too good and his chance to get to the finals are over but he had his chances and he blew them.

    • @theastralshepherd4335
      @theastralshepherd4335 7 років тому +19

      Chris Paul didn't lose in those series', the Clippers did. Basketball is team game if you didn't know

    • @robtes2771
      @robtes2771 7 років тому +5

      The Notorious G.T.M. Is it a team game when players negotiate their contracts??? I didn't think so. CP3 got paid max dollars to make a difference and the clippers still have never been to a conference finals. He deserves to be blamed.

    • @leontran2427
      @leontran2427 7 років тому +10

      Rob Tes so doesn't John Stockton need to be blamed by losing in the finals? And is everybody perfect? I see what you are saying bc you are right, Chris Paul should take the blame, but not all of it. Against the rockets, doc rivers drained the starters out and the bench could not provide anything. A quote by Isiah Thomas about game 6 of the finals when the jazz faced the bulls for the second straight year, "I believe that if John Stockton does not pass that ball to Karl Malone with 30 seconds left, they win that game." Many players believed that John Stockton passed too much to a fault bc John Stockton had the ability to score, but he would cost his teams by passing it too much. Both players share this characteristic that hinders their team.

    • @theastralshepherd4335
      @theastralshepherd4335 7 років тому +5

      +Rob Tes He did make a difference what the hell are you talking about. CP3 is the one who made the Clippers relevant again. And yes CP3 deserves blame but so does everybody else on the TEAM capisce?

    • @robtes2771
      @robtes2771 7 років тому +7

      Leon Tran No player is perfect but even if Stockton doesn't make that pass and they win Game 6 they would still need to win Game 7. My point about CP3 is that his teams were in position to win a series multiple times and he failed to capitalize. The responsibility and blame should primarily be on him.

  • @djmiggy7350
    @djmiggy7350 7 років тому +30

    Two words: Michael JEFFREY Jordan. Nice one Coach.

  • @pele1281
    @pele1281 7 років тому +43

    All time steals and assists leader who made 5 conference finals in 7 years, including back-to-back finals vs Jordan's Bulls.
    But sure. The guy who's never been out of the 2nd round? He's better.
    LOL

    • @KJ-gr6ho
      @KJ-gr6ho 4 роки тому +6

      Not to discredit John but what u think chris paul would of did with that jazz team

    • @bcuno
      @bcuno 4 роки тому +4

      JD C lmao imagine putting CP3 in the 90s. He would average 25 and 15. 90s west doesn’t nowhere NEAR CLOSE to the west today.

    • @jpm74
      @jpm74 4 роки тому +3

      @@bcuno Stockton played in their primes at one point or another - Magic Johnson, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway in the West. Penny Hardaway, Mark Price, Allen Iverson, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Johnson in the East. The player he played the most games against in his career was Hakeem Olajuwon - the All-Time Leader In Blocked Shots. Chris Paul would be crying for his mama every night.

    • @msinna6433
      @msinna6433 4 роки тому +1

      Newmans_Own you gotta remember that everyone today is better. A lot of what Chris Paul does today would’ve been an anomaly back then, as bball said the point guards weren’t as developed in moves and roles as they were today. Chris proves ly would’ve done better since the importance of centers and point guards switched between the 2 eras, as well as the skill levels required

    • @Coldskin1
      @Coldskin1 3 роки тому

      Just to note John stockton wasnt even an allstar when they made it to the final by 34 he was out of his prime. Just think if malone had chris paul from this year

  • @lotuschilds
    @lotuschilds 6 років тому +5

    There's absolutely no way anyone can be compared to Stockton. he is by far the best point guard of all time. his assists total will never be broken. his steals, maybe. but no one will come close to assists. Stockton played 19 years and only missed a handful of games. his toughness cannot be challenged and knowing how long he played, in a league that had more physical contact allowed back then, being the size he was and going up against arguably the best era of basketball players the NBA has ever seen, he is by far the greatest point guard to ever play the game.

    • @fileminokilicho1292
      @fileminokilicho1292 7 місяців тому

      that's what also sets Stockton apart: his toughness. He can screen mammoth players and just shut them down. And if he falls, he never complains. He bounces right back up and continues with the game. I even think he's the GOAT.

  • @24nukus
    @24nukus 7 років тому +9

    All time assist leader, all time leader in steals, John Stockton for sure!

  • @bjeendorschit4737
    @bjeendorschit4737 7 років тому +64

    Michael Jeffrey Jordan are not two words

  • @bowaster57
    @bowaster57 7 років тому +242

    if the conclusion of this video is anything other than john stockton ill have lost all faith in you

    • @introvrt8507
      @introvrt8507 6 років тому

      P

    • @imarino1349
      @imarino1349 6 років тому +24

      Stoked status: 100% Same.
      What kind of total moron could put Paul over Stockton?

    • @ryerock32
      @ryerock32 6 років тому +32

      Because Chris Paul is very fucking good at basketball

    • @ryerock32
      @ryerock32 6 років тому +5

      Honestly he probably is. Isiah Thomas lucked onto being the centerpiece of his era's warriors. He was the best played on the best team for their chip runs and early in their formation. Paul's the more efficient player, the better defender, the better passer, and noticeably better at taking care off the rock.

    • @ryerock32
      @ryerock32 6 років тому +2

      They also drafted Kelly Tripuka who helped carry the scoring load. They traded for Vinnie Johnson and Bill Laimbeer by the next year because their old team had a bunch of solidish assets. (Essentially his team getting a Klay and Draymond before trading for an Iggy. Daly was hired after the new unit showed potential (hiring Kerr) and the team took off. They then jettisoned the solid wing they drafted for a multi-time scoring champion (Dantley/Durant). Except in his case his team kept adding more pieces building up a rotation that's comfortably 8-9 deep.

  • @loganparke5631
    @loganparke5631 7 років тому +178

    this dude obviously never watched stockton.

    • @bballbreakdown
      @bballbreakdown  7 років тому +65

      +Logan Parke lmao, I actually watched him in person!

    • @steventurnbull2387
      @steventurnbull2387 7 років тому +16

      +BBALLBREAKDOWN Everything you bring up in this video is valid, however, I have to with Stockton as the better pure point guard. However, this arising belief that CP3 is overrated and people beginning to believe that CP is not an all time top 5 point guard is extremely ludicrous. Thank you, for bringing to light the overlooked aspects of CP3's game that the casual fan refuses to recognize. This was my favorite video ever.

    • @pm69669
      @pm69669 7 років тому +3

      U watched him in person in 2003 when he was trash

    • @grapplerke
      @grapplerke 5 років тому +1

      Chris Paul is slightly better individually, but if you are building a team of 8 to 12 players, you have to go with Stockton. He’ll make any team that much better. Steph Curry is a tier above both of them though.

    • @davidfebreeze428
      @davidfebreeze428 4 роки тому +1

      grapplerke u could make that argument but i think in today’s game Stockton is gonna let it fly and get to the basket at any time as well as mid range shots it’s system because he fed it to Malone so much and point guards nowadays have more room to operate

  • @blakecombs1219
    @blakecombs1219 6 років тому +13

    Awesome video man. Only correction I feel obligated to point out is that the Stockton/Malone Jazz actually made it to 5 conference finals, not 3.

  • @UKAkiba1
    @UKAkiba1 7 років тому +57

    John.

  • @Angelusloco15
    @Angelusloco15 5 років тому +12

    Always Stockton. Both great players. But i would choose John Stockton every time.

  • @ehnonyhumus
    @ehnonyhumus 6 років тому +5

    In the end, I think Stockton's longevity wins out. If you have to pick player for a single game, you could take Paul, but for a career, it's Stockton by a long shot.

  • @jamvan1000
    @jamvan1000 7 років тому +11

    The Glove said Stockton was harder to guard than MJ. I'll have to say Stockton.

    • @masterchinese28
      @masterchinese28 8 місяців тому

      Payton told Earl Watson to refer to him as "Mr. Stockton." He was also told him that he was privileged to play against the Jazz legend.

  • @Goodpatron
    @Goodpatron 5 років тому +10

    Is this even a question??? It's blasphemous to even compare Chris Paul to John Stockton. Paul is not even close. Stockton is the greatest point guard ever!

    • @Robertedwinhouse38
      @Robertedwinhouse38 3 роки тому

      Not only is Chris Paul better but so is magic isiah Oscar curry, hell even kyrie won a ring as a second option. John is a ringless second option

    • @Coldskin1
      @Coldskin1 3 роки тому

      Kyrie stats barely even better than an system like nash🤦 all he does is score but good enough for an superstar like AI not only that he been missing a hell lot of playoffs games lately iam take an hard pass. Should of said damian liilard

  • @soppoi123
    @soppoi123 7 років тому +81

    Since 2000, every Western Conference team has made the WCF except New Orleans and the Clippers. Do you still think CP3 is better?

    • @markbrinton6790
      @markbrinton6790 7 років тому +10

      soppoi123 that is an amazing statistic, that is very interesting, and I agree, very telling. I'm blown away you caught that. Great comment.

    • @markbrinton6790
      @markbrinton6790 7 років тому +3

      soppoi123 that is an amazing statistic, that is very interesting, and I agree, very telling. I'm blown away you caught that. Great comment.

    • @anakovacevic6755
      @anakovacevic6755 7 років тому +7

      and CP3 came into the league in 2005, not in 2000 lol, what are you talking about lmao

    • @TheRandumbGamer
      @TheRandumbGamer 6 років тому

      yes

    • @anakovacevic6755
      @anakovacevic6755 6 років тому +5

      lmaooo cp3 was a rookie in 2006, why tf are you talking about 2000.? and he came to clippers in 2012 are you on drugs rn

  • @bugsy101073
    @bugsy101073 6 років тому +13

    no contest by a wide margin: STOCKTON over CP3

  • @dumisatonyjohnson8145
    @dumisatonyjohnson8145 6 років тому +5

    One word: Stockton. More steals and more assists all-time than any player in NBA History. One of the 50 all-time greatest players in the history of the game. 19 years with Jazz.

  • @narcolepticbadger9659
    @narcolepticbadger9659 5 років тому +7

    Stockton is better. No question about it, top 3 point guard of all time

  • @christiandc173
    @christiandc173 7 років тому +95

    Uneducated kids Will Say Paul...But People who really knows the NBA Stockton for sure

    • @yiutungkwok3648
      @yiutungkwok3648 7 років тому +11

      If you want to sell sport shoes, then CP3. If you want to win in Playoffs, then Stockton.

    • @Thechocolate130
      @Thechocolate130 7 років тому +3

      You probably aren't even old enough to have watched stockton play.

    • @anakovacevic6755
      @anakovacevic6755 7 років тому

      It is CP3.

    • @anakovacevic6755
      @anakovacevic6755 6 років тому +5

      or maybe you are uneducated and you dont know that Stockton played with a top 15 player of all time and thats why he won in the playoffs
      cp3s best teammate is mr. made of glass blake griffin who will be at best not even in top 150 players of all time and who else? david west lol
      you dont know shit so stfu

    • @rodrigoalvarezpallete8898
      @rodrigoalvarezpallete8898 6 років тому +1

      True stockton is my favorite player aol time

  • @Minirush35
    @Minirush35 7 років тому +174

    This shouldn't even be a question, Stockton has the most assists and steals by a mile and has actually got out of the second round. Smh

    • @xxman26utdxx
      @xxman26utdxx 7 років тому +12

      Minirush35 Well Stockton also had a better team and had the mail man. CP3 has the fifth highest PER in NBA history behind only Jordan, lebron, mikan and Shaq. So don't say he doesn't show up in the playoffs because he actually elevates his game. He's also number 1 all time in offensive rating and win shares per game so he clearly knows how to run an offense and carry a team. CP3 never had the luxury of playing alongside Malone and had to always do it with underachieving teammates. Put Stockton on the teams that cp3 was on and he wouldn't even sniff the WCF because he would have to carry the load and score a lot more. I mean cp3 just averaged 27 and 10 on 50/40/90 shooting and they still lost ffs. What else can the man do?!!

    • @Minirush35
      @Minirush35 7 років тому +13

      xxman26utdxx I'm pretty sure CP3's Clippers team have a lot better squad on paper than the Jazz ever did. I mean Blake, DeAndre, Redick, Crawford etc is a lot better than Karl Malone, Brian Roberts and Jeff Hornacek. Plus Stockton was actually a good scorer, just watch the episode of Open Court where Isiah Thomas one of the greatest pgs ever says they preferred it when Stockton passed as he could score really well. At the end of the day Stockton performed in the big moments like when he hit the game winner against Houston in the WCF. CP3 simply hasn't, look at the 3-1 lead they blew against Houston a few years ago

    • @xxman26utdxx
      @xxman26utdxx 7 років тому +2

      Minirush35 Scoring really well while picking your spots isn't the same as scoring consistently all game long. Stockton couldn't go out and give you 25+ all series long.
      What I'm saying is CP3 is the better player but Stockton has had the better career of the two.

    • @Minirush35
      @Minirush35 7 років тому +2

      The Clippers have been unlucky for sure, but you can't blame their failures just on luck. CP3 has to take some of the blame

    • @MrDiMES123
      @MrDiMES123 7 років тому +2

      Minirush35 Chris Paul would a ring if he had Karl Malone easy

  • @Otashigami
    @Otashigami 7 років тому +4

    My two favorite PGs but I would choose Stockton over Paul simply because he was more durable and had a healthier career.

  • @Eastdevil71
    @Eastdevil71 5 років тому +14

    I go with John Stockton, knowing you can count on him when the going gets tough and won't let emotion gets in the way.

    • @tonykartracer8032
      @tonykartracer8032 5 років тому

      Exactly. Some players have that something about them that you can trust when the time calls for it..... that's John Stockton. A mentally fragile player like Chris Paul will always choke come crunch time. You just know these sort of things if you are in-tuned with sporting competitions.

    • @Robertedwinhouse38
      @Robertedwinhouse38 3 роки тому

      @@tonykartracer8032 John Stockton was a career second option with no rings

    • @kimbertumen4382
      @kimbertumen4382 Рік тому

      @@Robertedwinhouse38 ahh the dumb analysis bringing up the "no rings"

  • @skylerkrein7746
    @skylerkrein7746 7 років тому +31

    WTF BRO!!!!!! CHRIS PAUL IM LAUGHING😂😂😂😂STOCKTON ALL THE WAY BRO

  • @guitarguy07
    @guitarguy07 5 років тому +8

    Stockton no question. CP3 is very good but Stockton was a legend through the end of his career. Hope CP3 gets healthy and finishes his career on the upswing though!

  • @bradydastrup1025
    @bradydastrup1025 5 років тому +7

    Is this actually a debate? Stockton. Hands down. No contest.

  • @bigbrauner1775
    @bigbrauner1775 7 років тому +12

    Hi, I'm Magic Johnson, the actual best point guard of all time. If you'd like to call me up to apologize, I'm at Laker headquarters, trying to fix Jimmy Buss's mess. Leave a message with Jeannie.

    • @visau1052
      @visau1052 7 років тому +2

      Magic was an all around player also...and point guard is the only position Stockton played. So Stockton is the best pure point guard.

    • @ChocManus
      @ChocManus 4 роки тому +2

      "Yes Hello, Magic? In regard to your request we have declined your offer but what we can do is offer you a John Stockton play by play video tape on how your improve your game. Have a nice day"

  • @Amarioism
    @Amarioism 5 років тому +35

    this shouldn't even be a discussion... if it wasn't for MJ Bulls John Stockton would have at least 2 rings... Guy was on the dream team the greatest team ever assembled.. and in my opinion Cp3 wouldn't have made the team

    • @zackd9032
      @zackd9032 4 роки тому +1

      Bruh whattt ???? Are u drunk

    • @SoKrayzie
      @SoKrayzie 4 роки тому

      Dumbtard

  • @megadrive6573
    @megadrive6573 7 років тому +177

    @3:33 "dribbling skills hadn't evolved yet"
    You mean players weren't allow to CARRY the ball like they do in modern nba. So it actually required MORE SKILLS to dribble the ball because it was more strict. I admit it's more enteirtaining today but not because players are more skilled. If anything, it's the opposite.
    @5:23
    More space to get to the hoop once you beat your defender in Stockton era??? You gotta be KIDDING!!! The paint was always CLOSED in Stockton era and it's always WIDE OPEN in modern nba.
    The main difference in terms of scoring is that Stockton played long after his prime and it took him 3 years to become a great player. In terms of steals, CP3 numbers will also go down as the years go by. Same for his assist/TO ratio. It would have been more interresting to look at their numbers both in their prime.
    Defensively, CP3 is great, no doubt about it but so was Stockton. The main difference is that there were many many more great defenders in Stockton era which makes him go unnoticed.
    I love both players...so I won't say much. But one thing for sure, if the Jazz of Stockton had to face the Clippers of CP3, they would eat them alive.

    • @samtotheg
      @samtotheg 7 років тому +11

      great great points megadrive!!!! you know your basketball!

    • @MollyGermek
      @MollyGermek 7 років тому +22

      Didn't have zone in Stockton's era and defensive 3 second violations were actually called. A lot more open.

    • @rwhitz5844
      @rwhitz5844 7 років тому +8

      Back then there centres were used to control the paint, compared to today's who also have to focus on the perimeter

    • @TheBilaras97
      @TheBilaras97 7 років тому +1

      the game is so much different tho,nba teams realized how important the 3 pointer is,shooting 33% from 3 is the same as shooting 50% from inside and so the game opened up and players had to evolve,the defense is good at todays nba as well but its more team defense than individual one,remember that back then hand cheching was allowed

    • @megadrive6573
      @megadrive6573 7 років тому +26

      No, they didn't carry the ball back then. You have the impression that ball handling is better because in modern nba, players are allow to carry the ball. Which is a lot more easier to do than playing under the rules of the 90's. It started in the late 90's and early 2000's with Iverson, Kobe, Marbury and all those guys. That's the moment when the league started to allow players ta carry the ball.
      Zone has always been used in the nba, it just wasn't official. Plus, today zone defense is almost never used. And on top of that zones today are not even true zones, thanks to the addition of the defensive 3 seconds rule. This prevents bigs from camping out in the lane to be an imposing defensive presence or rim protector like it used to be in Stockton era. Furthermore, zones in Stockton's days were still enhanced by handchecking and physical play. Not only did Stockton faced zones in his era, but the zones that he faced were more difficult, physical, and complex than the zones of today that are weakened by the multitude of rule changes and illegal 3 seconds rule.
      But we don't have to complicate this subject. The fact is when you watch games of the 80's/90's, the paint is always PACKED. When you watch today's games, the paint is always WIDE OPEN and almost everybody can get into the paint AT WILL.
      That's why Kobe Bryant hilmself said : " "The truth is, it makes the game [where] players have to be more skillful. Nowadays, literally anybody can get out there and get to the basket and you can't touch anybody. Back then, if guys put their hands on you, you had to have the skill to be able to go both ways, change direction, post up, you had to have a mid-range game because you didn't want to go all the way to the basket because you would get knocked ass over tea kettle. So I think playing the game back then required MUCH MORE SKILL."

  • @jacksforehead6435
    @jacksforehead6435 7 років тому +266

    Stockton for now. CP3 can easily surpass him if he makes a career-changing move this off-season.

    • @arvidl5666
      @arvidl5666 7 років тому +5

      He should join Davis/Boogie !

    • @staaticc
      @staaticc 7 років тому +19

      Jack's Forehead hes gotta go to the spurs

    • @xjakexthedudex
      @xjakexthedudex 7 років тому

      that would be too easy of a move, he would never get enough credit for the spurs would-be success to grant him the status of being better than Stockton

    • @MoXy33
      @MoXy33 7 років тому

      or kawhi

    • @matytreur
      @matytreur 7 років тому

      Great idea

  • @yankees29
    @yankees29 5 років тому +3

    I watched Stockton growing up. The game was much more physically demanding back then. He was a pit bull out there. Fundamentals and defense that few could match. CP3 is a very good player. But I’m sorry he doesn’t stack up to Stockton. If Stockton wanted to he could have scored much more than he did. I got to give it to Stockton.

  • @dlxinfinite7098
    @dlxinfinite7098 4 роки тому +3

    John Stockton, without question.
    Longevity/Health, records, Dream Team, toughness.

  • @JCT1926
    @JCT1926 7 років тому +12

    the ball handling skills have evolved over time....also the traveling violation

  • @LandfillProductions
    @LandfillProductions 7 років тому +150

    I think because of his lack of post season success people underestimate how good CP3's legacy is. As a Clipper fan I can tell you that outside of Game 5 Vs OKC he has never let us down. He's having maybe his best series ever against the Jazz right now. The people who have let us down have been DJ, Blake in the 4th quarter, Jamal and JJ.

    • @joejett5084
      @joejett5084 7 років тому +4

      I think his legacy is under rated but his skills as a player is. This is what happens when people make everything about a ring.

    • @kassios
      @kassios 7 років тому +10

      Spoke too soon. His 7th game performance was nothing to write home about.

    • @jean-baptistesay6941
      @jean-baptistesay6941 7 років тому +7

      he is a terrible playoff player

    • @LandfillProductions
      @LandfillProductions 7 років тому +2

      Great Value Bleach, is his regular season play terrible? It must be, given that his postseason numbers are much better in almost every way than his regular season numbers.

    • @LandfillProductions
      @LandfillProductions 7 років тому +5

      Diver, that wasn't a great performance but when you have no co-star (DJ showed up in fairness) it's easy for the defense to focus on Paul and dare somebody else to step up. Nobody else did. Nobody else is capable of doing so, either. JJ is a no-show come playoff time. Jamal as well.

  • @tigerwarner
    @tigerwarner 6 років тому +8

    Who’s better?
    Two words....John Houston Stockton.

  • @Jmiedawg
    @Jmiedawg 3 роки тому +8

    Only thing Stockton does better than CP3 is staying injury free.

    • @Jmiedawg
      @Jmiedawg 3 роки тому +6

      @Google Account that's a longevity stat, literally what I just said. Dude played with karl malone who averaged 30 for 20 years

    • @Jmiedawg
      @Jmiedawg 3 роки тому +5

      @Google Account buddy played with karl malone, advanced stats show who's the superior talent and player. Stockton was never a top 10 player in the league or mvp candidate when he played. Keep mouthing off tho

    • @Jmiedawg
      @Jmiedawg 3 роки тому +2

      @Google Account what are you on about, Stockton never finished top 7 in mvp voting. He was also the second option every year of his career. These are facts, using fancy adjectives like "historic" means shit all next to facts. You're such a bozo lmao, keep mouthing off, let's see what adjectives you'll use next.

    • @Coldskin1
      @Coldskin1 3 роки тому

      @Google Account longevity? but who better at 36 cp3 or john stockton.

  • @haydenm1223
    @haydenm1223 7 років тому +36

    the tittle says "BETTER POINT GUARD" a point guard is an a court leader, basically a coach on the floor. They're supposed to run the offensive not score like Curry or Westbrook. The question is who's a better Point Guard, that answer is Stockton but better player is Paul. I rather take Stockton and he is the better POINT GUARD

  • @SDama35
    @SDama35 7 років тому +11

    but was the western conference back then not a blood bath as well?

  • @BuckandOden
    @BuckandOden 5 років тому +14

    If I had to try to construct the "perfect team" John Stockton would be my PG.

  • @mixingrecords
    @mixingrecords 6 років тому +3

    Good video. I liked Stockton and now I remember why. Nice to see that comparison.

  • @trelitebasketball3686
    @trelitebasketball3686 7 років тому +127

    Chris Paul is so underrated. I wasnt around when john played but Paul doesn't get enough credit for how great he truly is🔥💯

    • @clamp202
      @clamp202 7 років тому +1

      TR Elite Basketball who tf is stocken

    • @trelitebasketball3686
      @trelitebasketball3686 7 років тому +1

      Clamp God idk😭

    • @thedangerwich5476
      @thedangerwich5476 7 років тому +1

      cp3 is a point God.

    • @BlessedWingStudios
      @BlessedWingStudios 7 років тому +2

      atleast someone able to admit that he cant judge stockton because he wasnt around

    • @josefrancisco4178
      @josefrancisco4178 7 років тому +11

      Underrated? He's always praised as the best pure point guard in the league and as one of the best in history.
      When in reality he never even reached the WCF despite having all the help he needed.
      He is overrated if you ask me

  • @bpdub21
    @bpdub21 7 років тому +10

    Body of work is all I can say. Stockton is first all time in assists and steals, and no one in the league is going to catch him anytime soon.

  • @NobodyTouchesJordan
    @NobodyTouchesJordan 7 років тому +112

    If you play 9 of 13 career playoff series in the first round (don't have to maintain stats for longer playoff runs) and never faced a Finals/Title caliber team (easier competition), you better have good playoff statistics at the bare minimum. Any top 15 PG of all-time will have similar or better playoff statistics in Chris Paul's shoes
    *Rod Strickland 1994 - 1997 Playoffs*
    21.7 ppg - 5.1 rpg - 9.5 apg
    2.9 TOpg - 45% FG
    *Chris Paul 2008 - 2017 Playoffs*
    21.4 ppg - 4.7 rpg - 9.4 apg
    2.7 TOpg - 48% FG
    1994 - 1997 Strickland faced 2 championship teams to CP3's 0 Finals/Title teams. Averaged more PPG, RPG, APG on less efficiency and slightly more TOpg. Obviously CP3 maintained his stats for a longer time so he's better, but the point is the same that it's much easier to put up big playoff stats in CP3's ideal circumstances.
    Read more at
    SECTION 1 - The Myth That Chris Paul Doesn't Have Good Help
    SECTION 2 - The Myth That Chris Paul is an Elite Defender
    SECTION 3 - Why Chris Paul's Playoff Statistics Are Not as Impressive
    SECTION 4 - Chris Paul is Not a Top 10 Point Guard of All-Time
    *Prime Stockton in playoffs that only lasted 1-2 rounds*
    1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1995
    18.2 PPG - 3.7 RPG - 13.4 APG
    2.45 SPG - 0.29 BPG - 3.5 TOpg
    49% FG - 83% FT
    3.80 AST:TO ratio
    Lost to 2 Title teams (88 Lakers, 95 Rockets)
    Had Stockton had the statistical luxury that CP3 does, of playing only in 1-2 round playoffs in his prime, he'd have the highest playoff APG by a comfortable margin. 13.4 APG to Magic's 12.3 APG. Also would have the highest playoff SPG average, 2.45 to Baron Davis' 2.28.
    *Chris Paul playoff career 2008 - 2017* (All Runs lasted only 1-2 rounds)
    21.4 PPG - 4.7 RPG - 9.4 APG
    2.21 SPG - 0.09 BPG - 2.7 TOpg
    48% FG - 85% FT
    3.45 AST:TO ratio
    Lost to 0 Finals/Title teams
    Stockton's assist advantage (+4.0) is much greater than any of CP3's advantages combined (+3.2 PPG, +1.0 RPG, -0.8 TOpg) since it accounts for at least an 8 PPG advantage

    • @nobodytouchesmj9780
      @nobodytouchesmj9780 7 років тому +39

      CP3 isn't even half as good as Kevin Johnson, so there's no chance of comparing him to John Stockton.
      *Kevin Johnson's Playoff records*
      1. NBA records for most playoff runs (ppg-apg) of
      - 20-8 past the 1st Round (5)
      - 21-8 past the 1st Round (5)
      - 20-9 past the 1st Round (5)
      - 21-9 past the 1st Round (5)
      - 22-8 past the 1st Round (4)
      - 23-8 past the 1st Round (4)
      - 22-9 past the 1st Round (4)
      - 23-9 past the 1st Round (4)
      - 24-8 past the 1st Round (2) - Tied with Isiah, Oscar, Westbrook
      - 24-9 past the 1st Round (2)
      - 22-10 past the 1st Round (2)
      - 23-10 past the 1st Round (2)
      - 22-11 past the 1st Round (2)
      - 23-11 past the 1st Round (2)
      2. Only player to average
      - 22-12 or 23-12 in a playoff run past the 2nd round
      3. 2nd all-time, behind Magic Johnson, in playoff runs (ppg-apg) of
      - 20-10 past the 1st Round (3)
      - 21-10 past the 1st Round (2)
      - 21-11 past the 1st Round (2)
      - 20-9 past the 2nd round (2) - Tied with Nash
      - 21-9 past the 2nd round (2)
      - 20-10 past the 2nd round (2) - Tied with Nash
      - 21-10 past the 2nd round (2)
      *Chris Paul's Playoff records*
      1. Highest AST:TO ratio in a playoff run past the 1st round (min. 11 APG)
      Other players have higher AST:TO ratios with less APG however
      - Fat Lever - highest AST:TO ratio past 1st Rd (min. 3.5 APG)
      - Johnny Moore - highest AST:TO ratio past 1st Rd (min. 8, 9, or 10 APG)
      2. Tied-Most all-star teams (9) without passing the 2nd round with Dominique Wilkins
      - however, Dominique lost to 2 championship teams (86 Celtics, 93 Bulls)
      - CP3 has never faced a team that even made the Finals after beating him
      3. Most playoff games (76) without reaching a Conference Finals
      - despite the luxury of never having to face a Finals/Title team
      Not only did KJ set a significantly higher number of playoff records than CP3, he did it against significantly better competition. KJ lost to 6 teams that either made the Finals or won it all. In each of KJ's playoff runs where he averaged those numbers under his list of records, he lost to either a Finals or Title team. CP3 faced 0 teams that even made the Finals after beating him, let alone win it all
      KJ also played with lesser supporting casts than CP3 in his pre-Barkley years, and even when he had Barkley he played significantly better playoff competition regardless in 3 championship teams to CP3 facing 0 teams that even made the Finals.

    • @akeembrown7661
      @akeembrown7661 7 років тому +20

      Nobody Touches Jordan idk if you wrote this yourself or if you copied and paste but the whole cp3 hasn't played any championship teams or has all his stats against non competitive teams is BS. Just off the top of my head ( I'm sure there's PLENTY more that I'm forgetting) I know he played the reigning NBA champion Spurs team and beat them (and hit the game winner/series winner) in 2014 not only did he beat them he had amazing numbers in that run, also his series against a perennial championship CALIBER okc team he did the same, and he just played a Utah jazz team that was the number 2 rated defensive team in the entire league this year and still got his pretty easily he was almost at 50/40/90 with 25 ppg and 10 ast. Point being cp3 gets his numbers pretty easily which is a testament to him being a good player simple.

    • @nobodytouchesmj9780
      @nobodytouchesmj9780 7 років тому +9

      Playing a defending champion is not the same as facing an actual championship team. I am referring to facing a Finals/Title team in the same year that a player lost to them. The 2015 Spurs were the 6-seed and lost in the 1st round, then the Clippers lost to a Rockets team without Beverly that lost before making the Finals.
      Only two seeds in history outside of the top 3 seeds have won a title, so the 2015 Spurs were not legitimate contenders regardless of their previous two seasons. as evidenced by losing to a Clippers team that lost to a non-Finals team
      The 2014 Thunder also did not make the Finals that year they beat CP3, they lost before making the Finals. 2012 was the only year they made the Finals. So once again he lost to a non-Finals team
      Utah was without Gobert for the first 3 games and Hayward was out for the last 3 quarters of Game 4 due to illness, so the Jazz were not at full strength for more than half the series. So Chris Paul only faced the Jazz's top ranked defense for less than half the series at full strength. And did nothing in the 2nd half of Game 7 when the stakes were highest.
      John Wall is averaging 29-11 in these 2017 Playoffs on 50/36/83 shooting. Westbrook was previously the only player to average 26-11 in a playoffs past the 1st round, so Wall has a chance of setting a new record if he keeps up this play. His 2017 run thus far is way more impressive than anything CP3 has done in the playoffs.

    • @akeembrown7661
      @akeembrown7661 7 років тому +2

      Nobody Touches MJ I knew what you referring too I know the teams I mentioned didn't win chip I never said they did my point was that he did play championship CALIBER teams plenty of times throughout his career so my point still stands to have the notion that he never played anyone is stupid asf to me. Besides the whole basis of your argument seems stupid you know how many NBA players could have their stats "discredited" because they didn't play the champions that year???
      Yea your right John wall has put up nice stats this post season slightly better than cp3s and for a larger amount of games but that has nothing to do with everything else I said above and doesn't change the similarly amazing stats cp has and has had.
      And like I said those were only a couple I could think off of the top of my head I'm sure there are many more series we could discuss if I actually went and looked up the records and searched for the numbers

    • @nobodytouchesmj9780
      @nobodytouchesmj9780 7 років тому +3

      He's faced good teams, but never faced a true Finals/Title team so the point still stands. A Finals-caliber team is not the same as actually making the Finals or winning it all, with rare exceptions for weak conferences like the 2002 / 2003 Nets or 2007 Cavs.
      "you know how many NBA players could have their stats "discredited" because they didn't play the champions that year??? "
      But my point is not that CP3 did not face Finals/Title teams for one year, it's that he has never faced a Finals/Title team in his ENTIRE playoff career.
      The only other notable player I can think of who faced 0 Finals/Title teams in his playoff career as a starter is Tracy McGrady. All the other notable players that made 0 Finals have lost to Finals/Title teams at least once.
      Such as
      - Nash
      - Gervin
      - English
      - Gilmore
      - Moncrief
      - David Thompson
      - Tim Hardaway
      - Webber
      - Bernard King - 0 ECF/WCF
      - Dominque - 0 ECF/WCF
      so CP3 and Tmac's cases are especially bad, because all the other non-Finals players played better competition (Finals/Title teams) and have more valid excuses. so once again, he deserves extra criticism for making 0 WCF (not even the Finals) while facing 0 Finals/Title teams in his entire career.
      CP3's stats are not that amazing, because he's played 9 of 13 series in the 1st round and faced 0 Finals/Title teams. Rod Strickland from 1994-1997 put up better stats, with less help, and against better competition in 2 Title teams as posted in the first comment

  • @quinroark8519
    @quinroark8519 7 років тому +67

    You ruined my night I hate how people don't understand that Stockton is actually REALLY good I mean he's the second best point guard ever

    • @skyMcWeeds
      @skyMcWeeds 7 років тому

      Who's the first then?

    • @tobinfrost8934
      @tobinfrost8934 7 років тому +6

      OBG Jay Magic Johnson

    • @d.luvevo711
      @d.luvevo711 7 років тому +5

      He's not better than Chris Paul

    • @suntansuperman26
      @suntansuperman26 7 років тому +12

      dan t Not better than CP3? I'm sorry but Stockton is better.

    • @yiutungkwok3648
      @yiutungkwok3648 7 років тому +10

      CP3 chokes in clutch moments, while Stockton carried his team at important events. End of discussion

  • @joshb8209
    @joshb8209 7 років тому +153

    "Two words: Michael Jeffery Jordan".
    I will say that if Chris Paul had a teammate who would go on to be 2nd all time in points scored he could probably be #1 in career assists. Unfortunately his assists have to come from difficult lobs to DeAndre Jordan or if he's lucky a healthy Blake Griffin.

    • @leontran2427
      @leontran2427 7 років тому +16

      Josh B this is a very good point. However, how do you know that it wasn't John Stockton that created Karl Malone's scoring. Because, in my opinion, Karl Malone benefited a lot from John Stockton. At the same time, I agree bc Chris Paul has never had that great of a player.

    • @joshb8209
      @joshb8209 7 років тому

      I mean, Karl Malone was a FANTASTIC post player and could score on anybody from the post. All it really took was a pass down low from Stockton and it was probably 2 points for Malone and an assist for John. Blake Griffin never developed a post game other than the occasional spin-move for a dunk, or a face-up jumper off the glass. However he usually eats clock when he's posted up with the ball and takes away assist credit for CP. And I think we all know how good DJ is as a post scorer... Lol.

    • @sunshot9757
      @sunshot9757 7 років тому +33

      Why do you think Malone got so many points?

    • @leontran2427
      @leontran2427 7 років тому +5

      Yes I agree that there is no denying how great of a post player and athlete Karl Malone was. However, he did have the benefit of playing with a john stockton like point guard. This means that Karl Malone does not have to use as much energy in possession. The Utah Jazz system was so dynamic with their pick and roll play. But in Chris Paul's situation, Chris Paul is everything for that team. People wouldn't usually say Doc Rivers is a great coach. Chris Paul makes other players look extremely better, just like John Stockton. The only difference I see between the two, is that Chris Paul could score whenever he wanted.

    • @seannanoon9635
      @seannanoon9635 7 років тому +7

      Josh B The reason Malone got his points is because of Stockton

  • @kianshamsk6934
    @kianshamsk6934 7 років тому +10

    Bruh
    "2 words: Michael Jeffery Jordan"

  • @jmoountfort5204
    @jmoountfort5204 5 років тому +2

    Nice video, but I would edit out the comment about it being easier to get to the hoop after beating your opponent in Stockton's era (because of the illegal defense rule). Contemporary game is much more wide open to the basket because of the spacing, the (much more effective deterrent) fear of getting called for flagrants, the disappearance of the carry and travelling calls, and the rules that now all but rule out any physical contact with the ball handler. Watch a few of those games and notice how crowded the paint was and how the PG would get clawed and hammered on the way to the basket.

  • @justdafacts8584
    @justdafacts8584 6 років тому +6

    How is this even a debate? CP3 Is not even a top 3 PG OF ALL TIME 🤔

  • @yiutungkwok3648
    @yiutungkwok3648 7 років тому +3

    Definitely Stockton. Stockton stood up for Malone during clutch moments when the Mailman was cold.

  • @falegria
    @falegria 5 років тому +4

    This question is like comparing Charles Barkley with Horace Grant

  • @jackson5781
    @jackson5781 6 років тому +2

    Im going with John Stockton. Healthier, longevity, and can take it away on a consistent basis

  • @marckman1411
    @marckman1411 7 років тому +4

    The fact you are comparing the all time assist leader to Chris Paul is blasphemous

  • @cepoctb
    @cepoctb 7 років тому +9

    Excellent timing. GG Utah!

  • @wambert
    @wambert 7 років тому +4

    Stockton by a lot due to being able to pass efficiently with left and right handedness.

  • @slatermanning
    @slatermanning 7 років тому +42

    karl malone was great because of john stockton
    john stockton was great because of karl malone

    • @justdafacts8584
      @justdafacts8584 6 років тому +3

      Big Slatts John Stockton would have been equally as great without Karl Malone but you can’t say the same about Karl Malone without those assists from Stockton.

    • @yankees29
      @yankees29 5 років тому +1

      Stockton made Malone a superstar. No question.

  • @karlortiz8317
    @karlortiz8317 7 років тому +3

    pick stockton = reach finals

  • @cigmanfreud8567
    @cigmanfreud8567 7 років тому +10

    "...the only reason they couldn't win the whole thing was two words... Michael Jeffrey Jordan. "
    Pauses video. Counts with fingers. Resumed video and continued eating popcorn.

  • @dwyanewade1549
    @dwyanewade1549 7 років тому +20

    1. stockton
    2. nash
    3. paul

  • @jso19801980
    @jso19801980 6 років тому +4

    stockton is the best pg ever,
    Chris paul is lucky to be in the top 10

  • @churchservice2700
    @churchservice2700 7 років тому +1

    I was a HUGE Chris Paul fan from 2007-2013 during his prime years...I personally thought watching Stockton during his prime years was not very entertaining for the fact that he really concentrated his game only on offense...but at their primes Stockton was better...Chris Paul is my favorite point guard in the modern era and I would have him running point in my fantasy starting 5

  • @marknelson2570
    @marknelson2570 7 років тому +7

    "Two Words. Michael Jeffery Jordan." uhhh... LOL

  • @Calilou52
    @Calilou52 5 років тому +5

    Stockton didnt have a selfish bone in his body on the court, and certainly wasn't driven by ego. Chris Pauls biggest issue is his ego.
    Stockton over Paul any day of the year

  • @mikehink4062
    @mikehink4062 6 років тому +2

    The title should be "why Stockton is clearly better than Chris Paul"...

  • @niegelbryant
    @niegelbryant 7 років тому +1

    GREAT VIDEO!! I love these types of videos. You should create more of these past vs present sort of videos. With your knowledge, this material is a treat!

  • @meicheljorden8886
    @meicheljorden8886 7 років тому +10

    if stockton had a the same quality players as chris paul, we dont even could compare them but as it its stockton is better

    • @Coolkid5800
      @Coolkid5800 7 років тому +19

      Yeah, Malone sucked

    • @jhayveonnewalker1916
      @jhayveonnewalker1916 7 років тому

      Stockton had future HOFer's around him, how the fuck do you think he made it to the finals twice? They couldn't beat the bulls.

    • @sidneydean.
      @sidneydean. 7 років тому +3

      Well Stockton did have a much better coach

    • @loganludvigson3397
      @loganludvigson3397 7 років тому

      Courage The Cowardly Dog yeah and he is one of them

    • @ethanh4016
      @ethanh4016 7 років тому

      Nathan Adeleye Lmao 😂😂😂

  • @indignation1331
    @indignation1331 7 років тому +4

    As much as I like Westbrook and acknowledge his growth he could learn a lot from Stockton. John had the goat turnover ratio.

  • @MelBeKing
    @MelBeKing 7 років тому +1

    This video was so excellent I'd love to see more of these old vs new comparisons. Please make these a series.

  • @alexanderflores913
    @alexanderflores913 4 роки тому +2

    Hand check rules have to be mentioned here. Made it way harder for a guard to penetrate
    That and durability mean I have to give it to Stockton.

  • @gonaddabarbarian
    @gonaddabarbarian 6 років тому +4

    i got 12 words for you, "John Stockton" #1

  • @kadaj187
    @kadaj187 5 років тому +12

    john stockton is the perfect point guard he never switch team !

    • @Stromoney
      @Stromoney 4 роки тому +1

      Paul was traded tho

    • @brettsalazar1886
      @brettsalazar1886 4 роки тому

      What does that have to do with anything?

    • @liamm6208
      @liamm6208 3 роки тому

      But he never carried a team to the Finals as the best player on his team like CP3 just did yesterday

  • @slamdunk406
    @slamdunk406 5 років тому +1

    I’m the biggest John Stockton fan ever, so of course I’ll say Stockton. That said, I think this would be a legit debate if CP3 had been more durable. I’m glad y’all are showing Stockton the love!

  • @dvdklix192
    @dvdklix192 5 років тому +2

    I’ll go with Stockton because of how tough he was and how fundamentally he played . People saying cp3 was. Better in defense that’s not really true.. Stockton was playing in a defensive era where mostly everyone was good at defense that’s why he didn’t make a lot of defense all team . Cp3 is great though he’s not that far from Stockton . But I gotta go with the OG

  • @markspark6274
    @markspark6274 5 років тому +16

    No contest, John Stockton is the greatest point guard of all time.

    • @slayy51621
      @slayy51621 4 роки тому +2

      This is blasphemous I guess isiah Thomas didn’t play or magic Johnson

    • @russell9411
      @russell9411 4 роки тому

      @@slayy51621 they b on that man nuts he not even close to top 3

    • @jalenc233
      @jalenc233 4 роки тому

      @@russell9411 magic curry john

  • @paparhgopoulos
    @paparhgopoulos 7 років тому +3

    Even though I love cp3 s game, stockton is just the goat at the point guard position...

  • @paulvicentevcurimao5596
    @paulvicentevcurimao5596 7 років тому +2

    dribbling skills - that is why stockton is ahead of his time at that era. simple yet super effective.
    with gun in my head -- hands down, its stockton. you chose chris paul because of his individual abilities, I choose stockton because he had proven that he can still play in the modern era of basketball using his own style and still be freaking effective. and he is not only great individually, he is also great on a team level. hence the reason that he has more success than paul in terms of bringing his team to the 3rd round more.

  • @poodlesftw123
    @poodlesftw123 7 років тому +1

    I'm glad you finally did a video on Stockton, probably don't remember but I suggested a video idea of the pick&roll in today's game vs (possibly best) Malone and Stocktons game. Even though I'm still highly interested in the change from then to now, considering back then bigs did not shoot from distance, this a great video. Thanks coach.