Swarm Traps: What you need to know, to be successful.
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2018
- This is a comprehensive discussion about Swarm Traps. I have been trapping swarms since 2009. I have used many different styles of traps, hung them a variety of ways, and used several types of bait/lure. I cover it all here. Using the information provided in this video, you should be able to start successfully catching your own swarms and decrease your need to purchase bees.
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I've watched a bunch of swarm trap videos, and I think that this is the best of them all.
Caught a huge swarm yesterday in a trap inspired by this video. Many thanks!
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To deal with your French cleat issue, try ripping your 2x4 on a 45 degree angle instead of using a square notch. This is more forgiving when the tree is a little crooked.
Great ideas on the inner covers and the French cleats. I'll be using these on my future traps. I couldn't agree more about Swarm Commander. My son and I used it last week to get a swarm to march in to one of our Nucs, including the queen. No queen cage needed!
Came home one day with a swarm in my front yard. Rolled up the road and there were cop cars everywhere and a random pickup truck. Swarm was in a branch that was over the road. Cops called a local beekeeper to come get it. I'll be getting swarm traps once I start beekeeping for sure!
Great video! Very informative. I've been beekeeping for 3 years but have been unsuccessful in catching a swarm. Perhaps now I'll be more successful. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I get all my bees with swarm traps. The one thing that makes the most difference in sucess is to put it in tree shade. The dappled tree shade is key. Heights, directions ,ect. , doesn't matter. I put an ordinary box on a simple hive stand. As long as it's in proper dappled shade it catches bees.
Use good swarm lure.
Excellent video. Thank you for all the information. I just made 4 swamp cather boxes so fingers crossed for next spring. Take care
Your trap system is amazing , in June 2019 two weeks a part caught two swarms , one six frames and second 23lb , thanks for sharing , regards from Ontario
Great information, thank you for taking the time to put this together and share it with us
Thank you. Most complete and comprehensive video about swarm traps!
Diego vD Thanks for Watching. That was definitely the goal.
I'm very impressed with your methods and thoughts.
2 suggestions from an old school teacher.
1. Use a 2 x 6 for the tree side cleat to give a larger area to attach to the tree.
2. Use a torpedo level that will fit in your pocket. (It will not hurt near as bad when it falls off on your head. LOL)
Great video, It sure it looks simple, but I’ll have many questions when I’ll start my first hive.
Thanks.
Very informative and interesting stuff, I appreciate it a ton. Keep up the good work.
Hello Joseph great video. What I use for traps is old hive boxes I buy from a commercial beekeeper. They are his culls and I get them for $1 each because he is just going to burn them. I cut one in half and nail it to the bottom of a full one. I then nail a piece of plywood on for a bottom, put 2 or 3 frames with old combs in and 7 foundationless frames. I close it up with another hunk of plywood screwed on top for easy removal. For an entrance I just drill a 1" hole in the end somewhere and put a nail in it to keep the birds out. The boxes are almost black inside with propolis etc. giving them a real hive smell. I don't even use a bait anymore because I haven't needed to, but if you want it would probably improve your chances. I live on the prairies of Alberta so there is not much to hang them on, usually I screw them to the top of a fence post facing east away from prevailing winds. I have one trap in the floor of a neighbor's pump house. I made a removable piece of floor and built 10 frames in between the joists. That trap even with the entrance being 5" above ground level has given me 1 or 2 swarms each year for 3 years. I just go in and remove the frames of bees and put them into a hive.
Hey there , I like your method ! Where abouts in alberta do u live ?
Why is he getting rid of the hive boxes? Aren't you worried about hive problems?
@@Vbluevital Commercial hive boxes get pretty beat up faster than those of a hobbyist so they just replace them after a certain amount of wear. That's cheaper than making repairs. Most hive problems like possible diseases can mostly be covered with a propane torch giving the hive a good scorch. Also, most hobbyists are used to either making repairs and a coat of paint as needed or letting it go till time to trash the old hive. At $1 per hive box many beekeepers would jump on that deal.
Thanks for the education. You’ve got a great little helper there at the end. He’ll grow up right for sure!
Loved seeing your little fella helping you! So sweet!
Thank you for this video Mr.Brown. It is very helpful. We'll definitely try this..
Full of wisdom. Very thorough and comprehensive and well presented!
Dan Pratte don’t know about wisdom, but I have hung a trap or two. Thanks for watching.
I see the Supervisor @37:00 was keeping you on task. And checking to make the ladder was set up safely. 😊 😊 😊
A very impressive educational film. Greetings from Sydney Australia
Thank you for video! Very informational. I lost seven hives this year and really want to catch a swarm that is local and maybe some of my old bees. I had a problem with wax moth and feel that they just left
Great recommendations for swarm traps! I especially like the french cleats... My recommendation is to cut the french cleats with a tapered cleat, that way it'll seat a little deeper, and it will be a little more accommodating to misalignment (we are dealing with mother nature after all!). Keep up the great work!
Thank you for sharing this and teaching us
Very good video. Very informative.
I'll be making French cleats now.
Great instructional video, I will definitely use your suggestions. Thank you
Great information sir. And your helper at 36:45 will surely be a blessing to you in years coming.
Great info and thanks for the tips for catching swarms.
Thanks, I have had bees go into empty hives set up on the ground without bees in just by chance. But will try a few catch boxes after watching this.
Great information! I have been riding the struggle bus trying to catch swarms. My assumptions for why I have been having problems match your recommendations.
Appreciate the shared knowledge, but the best part was the little boy helping
Thanks for sharing my friend. Will use your knowledge going forward in my journey with honeybees. Thank you.
I have been using swarm traps for the past 10 years and enjoy it tremendously almost like a kid in the candy shop when I catch a swarm. I really enjoyed your video the message you use for hanging yours in the tree is now going to be how I do it I really like that method good luck with your swarm traps
Miter your cleat.
On your French cleats, you might try splitting a two by four at a 45-degree angle down the middle instead of taking out one of the quadrants. This also makes for a stronger piece of wood too due to the quadrant alleviation methods might shear or split off with weather exposure and wood drying out.
I'm a wanna bee (heh) bee keeper (haven't done it yet, life keeps getting in the way). I've been reading up and watching videos of beekeeping for a couple years and this is the first I've heard of swarm traps. I've seen collection of swarms from their resting spots in trees or what-have-you, but this makes so much sense! Thank you for this thorough explanation of building and using swarm traps. I feel like I could make and mount my own just from watching your video!
Check out 628 Dirt Rooster's videos. His videos are good also.
Maybe start some crops too?
Awesome video! Its very helpful and informative.
I am just setting up my first hive this spring. My bees are due to arrive the 2nd week in May. I got the hive and assembled it last summer and have been studying over the winter in hopes of being a successful beekeeper. I really didn't know much about swarm traps but came across your video and wow! You really take a lot of care and precision in building and setting these up. Your swarm traps look sturdier than my house. Great work and you sure seem to have a lot of knowledge. I'm learning something new everyday but it sure would be nice to have an expert close by to chat with. Are you aware of any good internet groups (even FB) that you would recommend for a newbie. Actually I'm an old lady but this will be my first hive. My grandpa and a great uncle had bees and I used to love it when they would give me a piece of honeycomb. I just want healthy bees and am not interested in selling honey or going 'big'. Thanks for the great information.
Lesson learned, a great helper is priceless!! And Helper's like that will stick with you!!
When I worked at a waste water plant I lost count on how many swarms established in just about anywhere. The one place that seemed to be the biggest draw was an in ground valve pit, the kind your water meter is located. Each time it was occupied it thrive for a couple of months and fail as there was no queen to keep it going. Nor was any honey produced. I found one hive in a 5 gal bucket, another in the side of the electric bldg, one which did quite well was underneath a metal cargo container and still another hanging chest high in the bushes and was still going when I retired from job. At my barn now there is one 30ft up a tree exposed on a limb. Doing very well.
When I was in high school in the 60's we had a swarm land on a limb of an apple tree about 5 feet off the ground. The scouts never found a good home so they just started building comb below the limb. They could only fit 2 combs on the width of the limb so each comb kept getting wider along the limb and closer to the ground till the weight tore it loose near the top of the comb. They just started rebuilding the comb no matter how often it fell. I lost track of it after summer was over and school started so I never saw what happened to them.
Wow there are a lot of birds where ur at. Great video. Thanks for sharing. God bless u and urs
Great information. And and you have a good little helper☺
Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. I am just starting out and soaking up all I can to be successful at it. Hope you get plenty of honey this year.. I cannot afford to pay 120 for 3# of bees, would much rather catch them..
when you showed the persimmon trees I perked up because my mom has one by the road at her farm, and a few more deeper in the woods. Every year when the ripe fruit starts hitting the ground there are thousands of bees feeding off the crushed fruit. That shows me that bees know about that tree so I bet it would be a great place for a trap. Might encourage the bee colony to move closer to the food source ?
I am learning about beekeeping to start next spring myself. All awesome info. Just an idea for your cleats: don’t cut that squared quarter out of the board just cut them all the way through on a 45 if that makes sense. Good luck!
You had plenty of help there at the end! So cute!
Excellent video, great information!!
This was really great! Very thorough. Thanks.
steve happe you’re very welcome. Thanks for watching.
Great video! Could you explain your method for relocating the swarm once you have caught one? Like do you wait til after dark to put a plug in the hole?
I would imagine that level and plumb would be ideal. Great video, very informative thanks.
Thanks for this information. I found your video’s last year but did not get a chance to follow thru last year so going to give it a try this year. Thanks for all the help. What’s your thought for how to bait if all I have is all new equipment. If I wax dip the boxes would that be better than just new boxes or not .??
Great video...Try predrilling you holes on you mounting brackets with 1/8 inch bit.The bottom spacer bar can hang down 6 inches for more screws for holding power.
This was great, thank you. Subscribed.
Just set up my 1st swarm trap using the French cleat method and using Swarm Commander gel. The trap is made out of a large super with 6 frames of drawn comb and lots of propylis for natural appeal. Wish me luck, and keep those vids coming!
Glenn Hoilman awesome. I am sure you will have one soon and be addicted like I am. Lol. Thanks for watching.
Most of the internal cavity should be empty space for best results. Old comb is a good lure but the bees are looking for space for all their population. They come ready to make wax so they don't mind drawing new comb. So, old empty frames or with starter strips are better than a box with more than one or two frames of drawn comb.
Great info, actually know a lot of people who put swarm traps on the ground
Thanks for using Swarm Commander!
The 45º cut on the cleats is the way to go. Also; instead of using the small block on the bottom to hold the trap vertical, use a longer piece of 2x4 placed vertically and extending below the bottom of the trap. shoot a screw or two through it into the tree and your trap is going nowhere. To secure the lid, put a screw on both of the trap sides below the lid. Attach a piece of wire on each side of the lid above the screws and make a few turns around the screws. Way easier to do and less junk to drag around when hanging traps. Good vids by the way. Much appreciate them.
Wow! Lots of information here. I've made some 7 frame boxes but made them to set on two 2 x 4's on the stand. My honest mistake with them is that I put wire mesh where they set on the 2 x 4's, thinking they need a little ventilation. I may re-vamp them this winter. Oh on mine because they have screened sections on the bottom, made a metal flip metal to cover the entrance for easy moving. And instead of the inch and a half circular hole I made 4 one-half inch drill holes close together. Because I did not set them out last year I ended up using them for the next size up from a nuc before a 10 frame hive. They smell like home now. We will see.
@B3 NICE VIDEO I DID NOTICE THAN YOU HAVE A LONG STRIP OF EXTRA ORANGE STRAP AND LONG TO MAKE A X WRAP BEJAIN THE TREE AND ALROUND YOU HIVE ( BEE TRAP ) THANKS .
Great vídeo!
Thanks for sharing your knowlege whit us!
Thanks, it's interesting to see other parts of the world and how people do things.
Have you tried tilting your bale saw blade and ripping a 45 degree angle off a board? The thicker the board the more secure the cleat. You may be able to get a full cleat off a single board if it's an appropriate size. The angle of a French cleat pulls it back toward the fixing and makes it more secure the greater the weight.
All the best for this season.
I was thinking the same thing. The 45 degree idea is also safer because the 90 degree cut made in the board creates a week point.
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Thanks for sharing your info on catching swarms. I am totally new to the ideas of catching / keeping bees and such. But what if you made your French cleat and added a downward piece making it the shape of a T? Then you could have screws that hit the center of the tree - making it easier to hang level.
Thankyou for sharing this great video. I'm new to the bee industry but been thinking about it for several years. Also I've read quite a bit on bees. With the situation of bees dying because either of a disease are mites. Maybe if more people would get involved it probably would help reduce these problems. If this video wasn't scripted hats off to you my friend. I live in southwestern Louisiana where the weather Could change anytime. I'm going to build these boxes and buy some of that there swarm commander. God bless and good luck to you.
No script just thought of everything I could think of people that people need to know.
Great video Joseph. My 2 cents would be to cut your hanging cleats with the vertical part being angled some. It doesn't have to be as great as a 45 degree but a little angle will help. They do not have to seat all the way in. Only part way will be fine. Make the bottom 2x4 stick down a couple of inches (yeah I know it won't sit level on the ground) and put a deck screw through it into the tree to hold it secure. My other idea would be instead of using those expensive ratchet straps I would just wrap a bungee cord around it and hook it to itself. Sweet Beekeeping!
I got an update video on the cleats scheduled for tomorrow. Bungees would work but I have plenty of ratchet straps laying around. They are cheap at harbor freight. I thought about the 2x4 hanging down as well however it would be a pain during transport. A solution would be a 2x4 that swivels. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am grateful you have shared. I wish I had neighbors like you. All the best.
Yang Yi Chen is right...try it. You got one terrific boy. He is so involved. Also I appreciate the detail you give. It's the small things that count.
Great instructional video...thanks!
We have a swarm of bees in our garden I have made a bee hive and tomorrow hopefully I will relocate them to the hive, wish me luck!
great video, definitely some ideas I will use. however putting screws into trees is not advisable for the health of the tree. the angled cleat others have mentioned is easier to make and take off. definitely will be checking out dr leo's traps.
Screws in the tree is better than nails in the tree. Screws will tend to spread the wood fibers where a nail would rip thru the wood fibers because screws have sharper points than the same size nails and the body of the screw is more tapered than the high angled point of a nail.
Nicely done that lil bee helper will be tinkering in your bee hives bee for long!!!
GREAT Video. Thank you.
How many separate traps do you use for the season? How many swarms would you say you avg with that number of traps?
Just found your channel. Loved the video. New subscriber.
Hi Joseph great information, on swarm traps but I saw another guy using swarm traps his hangers were much simpler a 1x6 about 2 and 1/2 feet long, 2 inch round hole at the top and that board is screwed to 10 or 8 frame box, his lid doesn't have sides so it fits flush. He will just hang it to a limb in the tree or put a long screw into the tree to hang from and use a strap to steady it from the wind.
Great video. Thanks.
Joe the cleat is an excellent idea just make one more pass on the saw to make either the top or bottom cleats a little thinner
Very informative. Thank you
Thanks for the video! On your French Cleats I'd be mindful of the grain of the wood. It seems some of your thin sections will be prone to snap off.
Great video. I built some similar traps. My woodworking was a bit off and they turned out to be 4 frame traps; however, they worked just fine. One of these day’s I’ll make some better/larger ones. Check out the
“May have caught three swarms today” to see them in action.
Thanks. This is a very good video.
Thanks for the gread video. How did your 3/4 inch holes work out?
Thinking about getting into the hobby with maybe a couple of hives in the spring. I have 20acres in the middle of farmland, and know of no one nearby keeping bees, so I'm thinking the back lot may just be a good place to set up the hives with a shot of Swarm Commander and see what shows up.
I've got a while, as it's Dec and here in NY so swarming is still a ways off, meanwhile I'm getting an education from youtube, thanks for a great contribution to it. Subbed.
just starting very informative thank you
Just ran across your videos and that's a great swarm trap design and maybe use a smaller board on the swarm trap and the 2x4 split on the tree .good luck this spring. 💕🐝🐝🐝🐝
thank you for all you do great video
Thanks for the tips.
Great knowledge.
first swarm i caught was in a metal tool box off a pickup. The second was in a stack of flower pots, both of theses were sitting on the ground
Tnx, I was wondering are there easier ways to do things.
Very informative. Give different examples to try with personal experience on all nm of them. The only thing I missed is the best time to hang your traps? I'm in your general area and was wondering when you start hanging yours?
Try a French cleat design that’s got a 45 degrees slanted groove rather than 90 degrees groove.
I was just going to say the same. Instead I will second your post.
Ti Man... me too! One no measure cut, instead of two you have to get right!
That's what we did when I worked at the cabinet shop as a young man. I believe we set the table saw to 60 degrees. It was a pretty steep angle. And then we would rip a whole 8 or 10 foot piece of wood right down the middle.
THOSE HANG GOOD, I MADE A WALL CAN HOLDER, THATS HOW I HUNG IT
Instead of using a bright orange nylon strap would it make more sense to use a bungee cord and screw eyes on the side of the box to hold it taught?
Hello, I'm getting a new Flow Hive next year. I live in NYC and will have it on a rooftop garden. I want to get a swarm rather than buying. My methods are using a time-release LemonGrass oil in the hive, and rubbing the entire hive with melted propolis and hope for the best. Do you have any other suggestions or ideas? Grateful.
Can polystyrene boxes be used. The type used for vegetable transport with a lid. They're weather proof and well sealed.
Rather than 2 cuts , do 1 so it is a wedge and will fix it self no mater the angle of the tree and it also will self tighten with down pressure , lastly is less work .
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very informative video. thanks
Well dag on man your a wealth of knowledge. Thanks bub really helped
Glad to help
Just a suggestion: Add a 1/4" or 1/2 " strip to the mounted 2X4. This would bring the bottom 2X4 out enough to clear any incumbrance of the tree.
I just found your channel. And I love it tell me one thing if you will please your using deep frames in the top is there any lower like in the bottom of the swarm trap?
From what I see it is a 'dead space' under the frames. Maybe 6-8 inches? If left in there a real long time they would make the comb to the bottom for sure.
AWESOME VIDEO!... you should mention how many traps you put out & how many you catch ratio, lol, size matters, at your one box, not sure you noticed the bee flying opposite you kinda looked behind the tree already smelling the SC, I caught a swarm out of a tree last year with a net, just got lucky, they're still here for splits in a couple mo! love all your cool insight and unique info
Paula in MT
I love the video! What’s that material you place on top of the trap between the frames and the cover? Thanks!
Feed sacks.
That was great. Thanks.