AI protests worldwide as SF company makes major announcement
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Protests against artificial intelligence are happening in the Bay Area and across the world Monday as San Francisco-based OpenAI is expected to make major announcements that would raise the stakes in the AI industry. Ginger Conejero Saab reports.
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Yeah - let China and Russia develop AI and we'll use graph paper and slide rules.
Yeah these people live in a fucking fantasy world lol.
According to Global AI Index, don't worry about Russia's AI just yet. They're far below the US and not even near the level of India's.They're too busy fighting Ukraine and many of their talents have left the country,
What about China?
@@IftekharUddinRizvi China is just 1 year behind the US. If US stopped working hard on AI, China will soon catch up.
it can be developed without a current goal to substitute humans in their daily life, to demotivate their creativity, to replace even friends and relatives. Cancer cure, climate help - yes, space exploration - yes.
But there is no sense in this daily substitution. Then it is not for people, but against them.
An international AI pause is practical and enforceable if governments agree on the risks.
We are already seeing AI at work in defense department planning and battlefield assessment. Already deep in Government budget planning and Law Enforcement and 911 call priority assessment. Medical, Marketing, Housing markets and pricing of housing, Government budget management and social services budget decision making, DMV and many other social programs. I think it's clear relying on it is a clear danger and needs reassessment and reining in. The people promoting it are people of extreme wealth and can isolate themselves from the disastrous decisions of the product they created to manipulate and manage ordinary humans.
They may think they can insulate themselves from the negative impacts but ultimately AI would threaten that as well...
It would be stopping a moving train at this point. My main concern is all these big players now leveraging AI - costing pennies for what was human capital expense (and livelihood), yet shit costs more now??? Wtf is going on with that? From dya 1, this should have been an agent for change in the opposite direction than it is, and then some, and then some more. Capitalism sucks ass sometimes.
@@Charles-Darwin ALL trains have brakes. You can put the brakes on it now and attach safeguards to the project or act delusional about it and turn away as wealthy 20-year-olds drive their project bus over the cliff with the rest of us on board. Take a look at the profound social decay and extreme changes associated with it today. Are things getting better? Do you like what you are seeing? I think we should have a discussion and rules attached before it is too late. They are not pushing it for the good of humanity. It is about personal gain and profit.
@@williamryan9195 I'm having a hard time coming up with any real 20-year-olds that even could be this bus driver you speak of. Now if you check with the group about 2x that age, sure there are quite the crowd of stakeholders/bus drivers.
@@Charles-Darwin Most people working on Tech projects are in their 20s and 30s.These are the people spearheading these projects. It is true that the investors age is higher. My point is that discussion across a bigger and more diverse cross section of society should be having their needs and desires and input on these subjects especially given that effects them in their daily lives.
They didn't learn from what happened with SkyNet
Hollywood always warns us first. 😁
Ah, your first mistake was assuming that they would learn
Skynet is not real and we do not have the ability to create real consciousness in machines.
ChatGPT is more of a parrot than a real person
@@sp123 That's true but this technology does make total societal control easier and more efficient.
Skynet was not the problem. It was the military's conviction that SkyNet could be trusted. The same problem exists with A.I.. It is not A.I. work or answers that are the problem. It is human's unreasonable unquestioning trust in A.I.'s work that is very dangerous.
Your protest has been registered w/ THE AI... your faces have been recorded.... good luck 😢😢😢
I’ve sworn at Alexa and Siri multiple times. Not even Sarah Connor can save me now! 😮🤖
These people should focus on a better goal. It's not possible to "pause AI", and they have no right to ask that, or to control what other people invent or advance.
It is not about invention. It is about what we use. How we use it. It is about informing people to not be fooled by creepy billionaires' lies that the AI would be in the public interest when it clearly isn't.
AI does not create jobs: it takes them. AI does not create: it mashes up what humans have created.
The most shameful obvious lie of all, that I have heard is that AI would somehow solve global warming: when the data centre used for the planned AI projects would require ridiculous amounts of energy.
The government has all the right to restrict use and creation of weapons, and hazardous materials that can be used as weapons: such as nuclear material, poisons, etc. It is illegal to carry a concealed firearm or a knife in many areas.
It is every citizen's right to influence government policy.
They certainly have the right to protest
@@alexandermoskowitz8000 Sure, but they shouldn't expect they can tell anyone what to do. There'll be no pause on AI, so it's a pointless thing to ask for.
They should instead focus their energy on advocating for the societal changes that will be necessary, to adapt to AI.
AI will out compete most human workers by 2030. Our society cannot distribute the basic resources people need to survive, based on who has a traditional "job".
They should advocate for an AI Dividend for All! To ensure everyone benefits from AI, and to repay people for the decades of their data that helped train AI.
@@NikoKun Without knowing any of the protestors, my guess is they likely know their chances here. That said, I think the focus and motivation for their protesting is around the existential risks posed by future AGI, rather than the short- to mid-term negative impacts of current AI technologies (which are also worthy of discussion). I think the Pause AI protestors are rational and 100% within their right to protest and take unlikely bets when the perceived stakes are as high as literal extinction. Basically, they're not wrong to do what they're doing, even if the protests almost certainly lead to nothing.
Forgive me if I'm totally off base here, but the tone of your comments suggests that you worry the protests might actually be effective in slowing down AI progress.
@@alexandermoskowitz8000 Actually yes, but not in the way you think. It's more because the advances AI will bring are life saving, and I'm counting on them, in more ways than one. As well as they bring us the best chance we've ever had, to break out of an outdated and morally corrupt economy that rewards the greedy and exploitative. So it's more that I'm worried protests like this, if ANY bit effective at moving policymakers to "slow things down", will only increase the likelihood of such existential threats, by increasing regulatory capture, and encouraging AI development to occur more behind closed doors, in secret, or causing us to fall behind other countries.
I'm not afraid of AI advancing beyond us, because beyond us implies total understanding. As long as we treat it well, there's a good chance it'll view us as it's "parents" in a way.
Ship. Sailed.
Slowing AI in 1 country allows it to speed up in other countries to upper hand
I believe they are ultimately requesting an international pause
Keep in mind, the sector the most affected is going to be the tech sector.
I’m not sure anyone is safe in all honesty
2:08 dude really drew No Face from Spirited Away to represent agi. 😂
It's actually a reference to a character from H. P. Lovecraft's "At the Mountain of Madness". It's a tentacled monster wearing a smiley faced mask.
ChatGPT users: 100M+
Protestors: 10
For now :)
Also I’m sure those protestors use ChatGPT. You can use the currently available tools and still advocate for a pause on the development of more advanced systems.
I wish it was
ChatGPT users: 100
Protestors: 10M+
The war isn't between AI and AGI, it's about how much power these algorithms have over our freedoms.
This includes jobs - can we buy an AI to do our jobs and take home the paycheck? Or does a rich dude buy AI to take away all of our jobs?
It's about the power, not the technology - it always has been.
Why would you need to buy an AI ? Unless you're talking about competing against Facebook, Google, Microsoft, IBM ect .. the playing field is pretty even across the board at this time. You must put the work in to take advantage of everything that's currently available. I use AI to be 100x more productive. Projects that would take years can be completed in weeks or less if you're knowledgable.
Most online users forfeited their right to privacy and freedoms the second they signed up for a social media account.
Hopefully people shun the businesses en masse if they resort to replacing most workers with AI. Lets see how AI can be the employee and customer as well. That's the only power people have- cancel culture en masse.
The computers already own the gov 🤣 it's way too late.
"AI ptotests worldwide..." 😂😂😂😂😂 Fantastic journalism! Anyway, I can see all 10 protesters did answer the call!
They’re taking our jobs and our women lol 😂
SkyNet is coming.
What do you think social media was introduced for?! Data. Remember, Data...the updated Spock.
Correction: *data mining and selling* of your personal info. and even your newborn's info.
LOL! I love how the newscaster says this is happening globally, but only shows San Francisco. God San Fransicko cracks me up.
If you’re in complete disagreement on what to do regarding a perceived threat, then you don’t actually understand what the threat is, and have no evidence for it.
What this tells me is to buy more AI ETF securities: BOTZ, IRBO, THNQ
The problem is. They are a small pocket of people compared to the amount using the AI. This isn't even a pocket full in comparison.
I guarantee you the protestors use generative AI too. There is no conflict in using current technologies and protesting the development of more advanced systems.
"I'll be back"
I support AI and non violent people
the mayor needs money so she will not shut down AI.
Oh look my rent just went up again... how is this beneficial 🙄
Too late
It is not A.I. work or answers that are the problem. It is human's unreasonable unquestioning trust in A.I.'s work that is very dangerous.
How about protesting taxation and big government?
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER
We already do but they call us maga republicans and try to insult us at every corner
Yes let's stop water treatment, sewage treatment, road maintenance and improvement, bridges, ports, defense, schooling, policing, no more taxes! That's the ticket to improve the economy. You are so wrong, the best economy we ever had also was accompanied by the highest taxation on the rich who benefited from it. We built things and then we used those things to make money, now the rich beat things down and do not pay for it, and make even more money than ever
@@MrTom-kl7hy the best economy was not led by the highest taxes ever. Not even close. And those things were all doing fine before income tax was instituted as temporary to fund WW1. Also I never said no taxes but when the government brings in record tax dollars and still is billions in debt there's a serious government being too big problem.
@@MrTom-kl7hy The top individual marginal income tax rate tended to increase over time through the early 1960s, with some additional bumps during war years. The top income tax rate reached above 90% from 1944 through 1963, peaking in 1944, when top taxpayers paid an income tax rate of 94% on their taxable income.
When was the US economy at its peak?
The most vigorous, sustained periods of growth, on the other hand, took place from early 1961 to mid-1969, with an expansion of 53% (5.1% a year), from mid-1991 to late 2000, at 43% (3.8% a year), and from late 1982 to mid-1990, at 37% (4% a year).
Weird how the best economy in the US was after the most taxation ended according to actual statistics. So weird. It's almost as if high taxation stops economic growth. Wonder why that would be?
Investors leveraged AI to manipulate Tesla stock prices last week, resulting in a 25% surge in a single day. Today, they employed the same strategy to influence ENPH prices, causing a 12% increase.
For the last 7 months we've seen combat AI in action, Israel has been using it to determine the difference between militant and civilian in gaza. It works just fine, you can tell by the civilian casualty count
Yes Hamas says stop working on combat AI, it doesn’t work…..
Even though its too late, its better to stand for what is right. Many people are soon to cry and to suffer to the fullest in the very near future 😢😢 better stand against it now or never...
I don't know if it's possible to stop AI at this point. You'd have to get every country to agree and for all them to be honest about it and enforce the law against anyone who breaks., which is basically impossible. I think a logical solution would be to do what you can to best manage it on an individual level. And if you want the individual solution, it's bitcoin.
Should’ve did this last year lol 😅 like I said reactive not proactive lol 😅
waiting for the AGI robot.... 🤖
Google maps replaced rand McNally atlas'
Amazon killed the mall
Ice cara killed the horse and buggy
I will embrace the evolution of the human race.
At this moment its the threat of taking jobs away from people like call center jobs and what not. As AI is being developed likely regulation will start shapeing which would be correlated with the job loses
AI protests worldwide are not happening in China. I think China would love to see the US AI slows down.
Massive protest!!!
See either TERMINATOR, HAL from 2001 A Space Odyssey, Battlestar Galactica, M.E.G.A.N., West World or Colossis: The Forbin Project if you think A.I. is not creepy or dangerous....
They're not going to stop
It could still be rational to try, if you believe the stakes are high enough
@@alexandermoskowitz8000 It's the incentives. Beyond the exponential increase in productivity etc.. It's also an arms race. They won't stop. Just like nukes.
@@DG123z Sure, but if you believe the stakes are high enough (e.g. literal human extinction), then it becomes reasonable to do things with even tiny probabilities of effectiveness, such as advocating for an international AI pause
Bring it on we need AGI!!!!
Can’t stop AI.
Yes, humans can stop AI from advancing including through the use of tailored AI. This is a choice that will lead to conflict. There is nothing inevitable here.
@@jKLa😮 are you smoking copium😮 please tell me one technology that has ever been stopped or delayed by humans artificially😮 the gun😮 the boat nuclear weapons😮 anything have you I've never heard of any technology😮 technology is adapted as fast as the technology can be adapted by other people😮
@@gerdaletaI don't smoke anything actually.. 😁 lol but you also clearly don't get my point. First if all, any technology that was actually stopped is something you and I have both probably never herd of, by definition. The existing technology today is what has has been developed and ALOWED, again by definition. IF ALL tech that has ever been in development had been continued whenever posible, we would almost certainly be in an extremely different place then we actually are.
What I am saying is that it is all human choice, thus about decisions we make, power, poltics etc. The tech doesn't happen on it's own and NO people aren't powerless to stop others from engaging in dangerous experiments. IN NO WAY im I saying any technology that already exists will be completely stopped from existing (unless very small and hidden from most perhaps). It won't be, -at least as long as the current human civilization lasts which given it's current trajectory it might not.
@@gerdaleta But we can certainly choose how to move forward as well as how even how to allow use of existing technology. Of course any regulation might be resited and might lead to conflict, but that is ultimately all up to human choice as well. People do NOT all agree and human techno futuristic extremists do not have a monopoly on power. Human civilization's have also come and gone before.
But humans certainly choose WHAT and HOW FAR to take a technology, and how even to use or not use existing ones. It is on us and our future depends on it. It is politics and social values in other words, -nothing inevitable about it!
Yes, Let's fall behind other countries developing A.I. or have other companies further develop A.I. in Countries that will happily have them. We will become obsolete.
I found the following response on the protest organization's website (it's mainly about China, but also touches on concerns about losing to other countries) :
"China has stricter AI regulations than virtually any other country. They didn’t even allow chatbots and disallowed training on internet data up until September 2023.
China has a more controlling government and thus has even more reason to fear the uncontrollable and unpredictable impacts of AI. During the UNSC meeting on AI safety, China was the only country that mentioned the possibility of implementing a pause.
Also note that we are primarily asking for an international pause, enforced by a treaty. Such a treaty also needs to be signed by China. If the treaty guarantees that other nations will stop as well, and there are sufficient enforcement mechanisms in place, this should be something that China will want to see as well."
Fuck it, let’s see what happens.
Hey look - intelligent people caring for humanity with legible signs and an appreciable demeanor. I think I’ll look into supporting them because they’re not acting like absolute assholes. 👏👏
That movements effort is just a piss in the wind. Too much money involved already. Good luck buddy 🍀
@@hjwlm I don’t disagree, but you’re missing my point. Thanks for the best wishes just the same :)
The protest is misguided. Not that AGI is impossible, but that there is no commercial and productive drive for the AGI development. If you want R&D money, you simply need to narrow your focus to make something commercially viable , for example, chess, like the lady noted.
Did you actually see what OpenAI announced today? You cannot tell me what they're creating is not essentially an "AGI". By any definition, it's got general intelligence.
You might think it sounds far-fetched, but it actually isn't. It is the long-term goals of some techbros with too much ego and money.
We are rapidly nearing half a TRILLION $$$ worth of annual investment into AGI research.
No Pause! We need AI to continue to advance, to break this corrupt system once and for all!
How would AI break this corrupt system.
@@nonyabusiness3619 by not responding to your bot comments
@@GOUST3D Huh?
Please explain how AI is going to "break this corrupt system once and for all."
Goofy
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People should protest that open ai is against open source. And that they want a special chip in your gpu to track and verify your GPU for Ai and that is kind of freaky.
Lol protest something actually bad
Well, they think AGI might exterminate humanity. That could be pretty bad!
@@alexandermoskowitz8000 yeah they do believe that, that's the problem, they're doomers.
protests, just a few unemployed people, LOL NO
better prptest would be to stop using it and its corporations. even getting off of google and youtube.
Skynet is live
They picked up some homeless people from the loins and brought them to the protest
homeless are better than a person like.... you.
This is going to get real ugly in the future when the rich have to live with what they created.
I'm against algorithmic plagiarism. At least, that is what I think all people should fight--amongst other things related to other digital jankery. Overall, computers, digital codes, and new technologies are supposed to HELP MANKIND AS A WHOLE. But these things do *not*. Instead, they favor the WEALTHY, the powerful, the globally influential. In the meantime, the remaining bulk of humanity falls deeper into poverty, hopelessness, and "invisibility".
These protesters are def narrow intelligence
What you mean this tech is very very dangerous
Where is Liron?!!!
Not sure 😆
Hunter gatherers once protested agrarian societies. Luddites protested factories. Horse and buggy enthusiasts protested automobiles. Letter writers protested the telegram then telephone. People are always going to protest progress. It's too late people, AI is here and it's the future. Many of us have lived long enough to see cell phones and the internet change the way we interact as humans. This is just the next wave. People have survived them all. All I see is a bunch of people protesting progress and scared of the unknown. Humans have repeated this for thousands of years. These are the new Luddites.
A counterpoint could be that past “luddites” effectively shaped the regulatory landscape around certain technologies in a positive direction. (Sorry, at the moment, I can’t think of good practical examples of this to validate my point)
In any case, if the Pause AI people believe the development and deployment of AGI will directly lead to human extinction, then it’s rational to protest, even if the probability of a pause happening is low
Humans are the No. 1 cause of eventual human extinction. Our work so far after a few hundred thousand years has led us currently to the 6th great extinction on this planet. That's more of a threat to us than anything else.
Unless it kills us all first. You know, like Sam Altman openly says it could?
2:25 (555) 😍
No one has a job to be at during the day?
Maybe they are self employed and own their own business.Maybe their day off? Maybe work nights? Mybe none of your business?
Some workers get days off that can booked in advance which could easily be used for something like this, crazy!
In most cities around the world where the protest took place on May 13, it lasted around an hour.
This reporter obviously had no idea what she was talking about.
No one in this entire clip knows what they are talking about.
OH YOU SHUT UP, TREVOR THE TRUMPSTER FREAK AND STOP MAKING FUN OF NBC BAY AREA REPORTER GINGER CONEJERO SAAB!!!!!
@@thetangieman3426 Nobody except like 2-3 people at OpenAI actually know what they're talking about either -- therein lies the problem. 2-3 people are rambling on stuff that nobody else is allowed to participate in.
Please just let them develop ai so I can actually pursue what I want to in life.
If I have to go into my office again and deal with management for another 40 years, I am not going to make it.
Dumb people will be dumb...
I wonder how much thses guy a paid for putting a sign up
AI upsetting worry wart protestors??? I'm just bought 20 shares of PLTR to celebrate.
Hahaha
THAT IS SO NOT FUNNY!!!!!
I’d rather finish the wall than stop AI.
Yes, seal your way out.
@@lilcricket4379 wouldn’t you rather have robots than more LatinX people?
can't we do both?
~ stop Ur Wining & get a tool belt like the rest of us....
OH YOU SHUT UP, MICHAEL THE TRUMPSTER FREAK!!!!! BECAUSE NBC BAY AREA REPORTER GINGER CONEJERO SAAB IS NOT WHINING AND THAT IS SO NOT FUNNY!!!!!
🤖 do not fear AI
🤖 do not fear AI
🤖 do not fear AI
OH YOU SHUT UP, TRUMP!!!!!
We are the Amalgamated Union of Philosophers, Sages, Luminaries and Other Thinking Persons, and we want this machine turned off!
AUPSLOTP? Do better! Make it spell AISTOP or something.
AI will kill us all. did we not watch the terminator.
i watched iron man and jarvis seemed fine
artificial intelligence is an oxymoron.
No it isn't. Artificial consciousness is, at least for now and the foreseeable future.