How Excalibur Umbra Shook The Warframe Community
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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From the long shadow emerges... a new Excalibur... A new... Umbra.
Excalibur Umbra is a widely popular Warframe, but his origins go deeper then that of the Sacrifice quest. Today we dive into the world of Warframe China and see what Excalibur Umbra really was.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:56 - Intro
2:05 - Origins
6:29 - China Build
9:47 - ChangYou
14:53 - Umbra When?
15:37 - Umbra Hack
17:59 - Umbra Official Reveal
18:48 - Primed Streamline Incident
20:31 - The Sacrifice
21:55 - AFK Index/AFK Umbra
23:45 - Conclusion
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ALL VIDEO SOURCES
[REDACTED] (Umbra hacked footage)
Thrillfiger - • Warframe - China Found... (Umbra Prime Footage)
AddMeFriendd - • Warframe: Index Build:... (Umbra Index)
Omega Warframe - • Warframe Excalibur Umb... (Umbra Index)
DADEFUYE - • WARFRAME | THE SACRI... (Sacrifice Cinematics)
Shul - • Warframe | Umbral Sent... (Umbra IO Farm)
Eric Fung - • Warframe China - Launc... (Warframe China Trailer)
Eric Fung - • Warframe China - Found... (Umbra Prime Trailer)
www.youtube.co... (DevStream 61)
Eric Lin - • Warframe Vor's Prize P... (Vor's Prize ChangYou Ver)
• Warframe | Prime Time ... (PrimeTime 164)
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SOURCES RELATED TO CHANGYOU, WARFRAME CHINA, ETC
Warframe China (ChangYou Build) footage was found from various Chinese video and internet pages, including Baidu & BiliBili.
Warframe China Build Wiki and Official site page was found on Baidu.
You may search these up at your own risk, I am not responsible for any damages done if occurred.
Warframe China Build Wiki (Global Page) - warframe.fando...)
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OTHER SOURCES
Donbon | The Urban Spaceman - • The History Behind Exc... (Umbra History)
forums.warfram... (LeYou partnership 2014)
forums.warfram... (LeYou Partnership Update 2016)
forums.warfram... (LeYou Partnership Update 2015)
forums.warfram... (Lato Prime Bundle)
[REDACTED] (Rebecca's Clarity Post)
/ why_china_frame_is_so_bad (China Build update issues)
/ primed_streamline_has_... (Primed Streamline)
imgur.com/a/L8... (Umbra Hack Profile Page)
forums.warfram... (China Build Player concerns)
ALL SONGS USED
Garrett Williamson - Alley Skies (Sonic Mega Collection Manual Menu - Hip Hop remix)
Funk Fiction - Contemplate
Lightning Returns - Dead Dunes (Afternoon)
Lightning Returns - Dead Dunes (Night)
FFXIII - Alex Moukala - Saber's Edge (Orchestra Cover)
[FaRe'N'HiTe] - Jazzy NYC Midnight Remix
Necro & Twelve's Theme - Snowland - SFIII Third Strike OST
Koaster - Future Flashback
James Landino - Neon Lobby (Undine Soundworks Remix)
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Excalibur Umbra Wiki Page
warframe.fando...
Umbra Excalibur Prime Wiki Page (Global Version Page)
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NOTICE
This video is NOT about any endgame or high endurance and level cap strategies. I base my review and points off of how the frame performs in the GENERAL META and 90% of the game throughout the years.
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EDIT: Error at 10:31 when I mention the Wiki, I show on screen the Wiki ALTERNATIVE, since this region has 2 wiki pages, apologies!
First and foremost I want to thank Dystopia for providing insights on the China build of Warframe, link to his channel here: www.youtube.com/@HeatInherit
Second, apologies for the low quality clips in the China Build (ChangYou) footage, it was pretty difficult trying to find any clips of old Warframe China footage as most videos are either on the Tencent Version or global build, so there was only a handful of regular footage that I can show.
Third, this ones obvious but in case I'm not clear somehow... this isn't a "chinaframe bad" or "china player sux" video, I'm merely showcasing what the ChangYou build of the game was like, this isn't a hate video against a group of players or race, respect each other and we all get along good.
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This is EXACTLY why you should never bater with the Chinese or communist nations in general. They ruin everything.
Greedy totalitarians.....
The definition of *I will make sure my viewers have a great experience and are informed of problems* what a fuckin chad
Xaku when and how?
I feel having entire umbra frames released would kinda render primes obsolete. Instead, perhaps they should release 'umbra reactors' that you can implant into a warframe to unlock its will, and have that also unlock a lore piece of some kind on who the warframe used to be.
Genius
DE hire this man bruh!! That’s actually nice
Literally was a planned feature back when they added Disruption to other tiles of the starchart, was going to be a rare reward for rotation C of Lua disruption, basically a thing you could install on a frame to get one week of Umbra functionality, but it was scrapped for unknown reasons.
won't that make wukong even more broken if you cast his twin, then you deploy specters then your actual wukong warframe to roam around and kill things while you're on operator? and many more cheese warframes like saryn or mesa and etc. so that'll make more nerfs and stuff but the idea about the regular warframes to become like umbra sure is a good one.
This feature was once considered to be added called “Echoes of Umbra” (except without new lore) but DE scrapped it due to backlash from the player base.
That Chinese build's monetization of warframe is straight out of my nightmares. What a dark path we could have gone down.
Wait until you hear about how nightmarish it is to *just* play a fucking game in Mainland China.
@@damearstor2120My friends tell me they just steal their parents' IDs to verify and play games
It’s why genshin is under such a tight noose now.
They selling frost for 1,570p holy f. I hope that plat isn't the same price as in China as it is in the US. Then the weapons you purchase can just dissapear? If games in the US were like that, I would quit gaming.
@@zerotodona1495I thought Genshin was from Korea
Scarfs make every frame better imo
Edit: I am happy too see how much love this has got hope yall are taking care of yourselves out there
low key you right, i wish i could put it on other warframes
That and capes
Yet umbra is the worst version
@alexorrick794 I said yes umbra is the worst version of excal
@@PetroleumJellyJuggernaut??? Its the best
Umbra was and will always be the frame that kept me loving this game, his lore, the Sacrifice, it was amazing, it was Excalibur again but it was a way cooler one, I still enjoy playing with him.
I’m the guy who asked on the reveal stream if the scarf would actually be a part of his frame, not just concept art. They said they believed they made it work, that yes, he would have a scarf.
As you can tell, I had my priorities straight.
I’m still to this day 100% able to say the scarf single-handedly makes him the coolest frame in the game.
Combine that with his amazing look and lore, he’s easily my favorite frame.
Considering how long the scarf was in the old profile pictures it literally defined his visual identity
The scarf is dope I want to put it on all of my frames
girl.. bffr rn hes so basic
@@max-jj1eycap
@@OneElectricBurritothe cope is strong with this one
A little bit of context: most players were disappointed they will never get Excalibur Prime, since it was CBT exclusive, and wanted something instead. That's why all the hype. After all original Warframes got Prime versions, only Excalibur left, and all these Umbra drama started.
CBT exclusive🤤
Yep. I was a founder with Excalibur Prime. Havnt played in like 4 years
@@krazzykracker2564 i would gladly buy your exalibur prime for 5 platinum 😇
A Cock and Ball Torture exclusive? Damn, thank God I wasn't around...
@@krazzykracker2564don’t listen to the other guy, i’ll give you 6
I just finished the Sacrifice quest, and the lore tied to him is insane. A vengeful man turned into a vessel for war and battle, trapped in a body that cannot call for help, only fight to try and hide the pain. Rage, sorrow, and guilt all pent up with no possible way to vent. The mission has made me love this game, I can't wait to see more of the story, as I plan to finish the store with Umbra. Kinda to have him see it through, to see Ballas dead and the remaining orokins crushed
I can’t wait for June for Jade Shadows too. I think umbra and stalker kinda [might] have some parallels, at least in my opinion.
@@myorgansdontwork hey guess what
I finished The New War with Umbra at my side. Not because I thought it would do anything special. But because it was RIGHT. Umbra got his justice at last, and I got to see Ballas fall.
What do you mean by “a vengeful man”?
I main umbra because it makes going into operator form not so worthless, since your warframe is just a free specter while you get to use your operator form for more than just abilities or movement
You should be able to switch between the umbra passive and Exals normal passive, as normal Exal passive is just too good to pass up if you wanna run exalted blade build
@@thegodofallmekkahs399 But they both have the same passive, Umbra still has the melee speed and damage boost passive.
@@thegodofallmekkahs399 umbra still has excals passive
Using operator was never worth less, it's more of mechanic you use late game
My operator is more powerful than my warframes wym?
You know what's sad? Umbra isn't included in the new war story umbra the one sentient Warframe who absolutely despise ballas like operator is not helping us at all or not included more, considering his trauma and grudge caused by ballas, he doesn't even help in the new war like shadow stalker helped us, umbra should've been looking for operator after they disappear or we encounter him as drifter and he kills one of the archons trying to look for ballas to avenge the operator or even better like ordis he knows the drifter is the operator and is going around the map killing enemies in our way as the drifter, basically taking the role of shadow stalker
i dont think many will disagree with you on that. it one of those things that "could" be explained as him ascending beyond his hatred at the end of the quest, and how it was lotus turn. so him having a second revenge would make the sacrifice feel incomplete.
but, like i said, i do agree that he should be part of the quest. and at minimum, we should take him when going to confront ballas, "lose him" at the end, of the first part, make it so he taking the railjack. so we have to find him again to get them back.
Well that’s why part of the quest was unlocking him for use so that if YOU wanted to, you could use Umbra for the entire New War questline??
A lot of people don't seem to understand. Umbra is the People's Excalibur Prime. other than getting some cool lore with him it wasn't supposed to go any deeper than that.
This was a very good video, I never knew that Umbra had so much hype that people were screaming of joy from the first second where he was in frame
You just had to be there. I also remember the hype in the first War Within teaser where you see Teshin. I think that was the very first Tennocon if I'm not mistaken
I've been around since the beginning and the hype is always nuts around the game changing updates. As for Umbra I'm still disappointed with him. They hyped him up far more than was called for. He's cool. And one of my most used frames finally.
I did because I used to play the game back then 😂
I quit after Saryn Prime and came back to the game 2 days ago with a fresh account and let me tell you, the good old days were insane. Stalker and Excalibur Umbra were beyond mortal comprehension of hype.
Since excal was my main umbra was not a dissapointment since he was the closest id get to a prime so i was happy with him
Chinas MtX is so dystopian (gear vanishing without platinum ) makes EA , Bungie,Ubisoft practices sound charitable, and philanthropic.
You should see the Chinese version of some other popular western titles. The diablo franchise is monetized to absolute hell there. XD
China itself is dystopian.
Here’s what people have to understand. Umbra is not a title like “prime,” Umbra is a character.
Umbra Excalibur prime when then
@@DeviousHabiedid you not watch the video?
Literally what a toxic player I knew never understood. He figured we'd get a line of Umbras for "the vaulted mid-bottoms to fix the power curve".
Guy also thought Duviri was the Tau system and that MR 17+ were a scam, but that's a separate can of worms with his bad takes
I feel like Umbral frames should exist for certain frames. Tie it to lore like we were told primes, at one point, were rumored to be. Regular frames were supposed to be the copy of the original that the Orokin created right? Umbra sets up a counter playstyle potential and more story routes for so many frames.
thats what primes are for tho, they are supposed to be the og
@@boom-jr8vi lol nidus prime.
Ash Umbra, Frost Umbra, Ember Umbra, some of my top wants for an Umbra release
The starter frames then Loki, Frost, Volt, and Mag Umbra
I kinda wish they also give us Mag and Volt Umbra to complete the trio.
Or Nyx Umbra, since they’re essentially brother and sister.
@@Goofyahh1337Ha, lmao. I mean, it won’t happen because Nyx Prime is permanently unvaulted, but that would be kinda fun. Maybe Nyx would get some love instead of always being D tier.
Loki and Volt*
@@eneco3965 New trio.
@@ValanxWF Old one's better
I really like the concept of umbral, they should add more similar concept warframes, like maybe the stalker?
Duviri Paradox has him already
they actually had an entire gamemode planned where you would invade other players as the stalker and showcased it during a tennocon reveal, though just like alot of other content it was completely scrapped and never added into the game now forever being left to rot inside duviri where he is not only an intrinsic 10 unlock but als one you would never really pick for long endurance runs
@@maxineshideout852 DE still have/use Stalker Mode on occasion on some of their streams, and last I heard they still have some plans for Stalker's story. Whenever it'll be told. Give it a few years.
@@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718 few years hurts to read as someone who hopped into Warframe late and got to binge it's entire story now i'm done and left wondering *why*
@@maxineshideout852 DE has that, but they never plan on getting it out to the public, that's a DevStream / TennoCon exclusive where people get to play as the Stalker.
I think Umbra's biggest impact for me personally was how much it inflated my platinum wallet on my xbox account. Was on vacation in LA with a buddy and ended up selling SOOOOOOO many mods. Ended up having enough plat to buy the prime versions of over half my arsenal. The umbral mods are nice too of course.
Still the coolest frame. I still occasionally bust him out.
I don't think they will ever have a story this cool again.
I think if they do more Umbras: It should be the launch roster that gets that treatment.
And add Frost because he was the first Prime non-founders got access too.
And thats it. Umbra Forma for eveeyone else.
And make them not have the umbra passive that gets em killed and turns off some abilitys
This was a very interesting video. It was especially fascinating learning about the china build for warframe. Its absolutely wild even imagining having to pay plat just to keep your weapons.
You know wha’s funny, you can replay this quest AS UMBRA and literally make Umbra fight himself
"We accept this memory, and move beyond its reach"
i never knew about this huge drama, for me the only thing excalibur umbra did not deliver, was something aside primes, i thought we would finaly stop having new frames and starting having umbras instead, so every new frame would have three forms, almost an entire year on a frame, having a little tweaked skills, like we could have umbra ember having her old kit with world on fire etc.
The moral of the story; that DE *STILL* haven't grasped yet, is that content exclusivity is both unfair and makes people unhappy.
Whether one is too young, can't afford, don't know, or aren't allowed, there are many factors that people can't help. It's my opinion that people should not be punished for being poor, but evidently DE disagrees.
I kind of agree. Excel Prime is nothing special really but it's a nice reminder to those of us who bought in at the very beginning of how far the game has come. I personally only bought the pack because I wanted to support the devs. I could see the potential in the game and liked how transparent they were during development.
Not getting some thing that's an exclusive isn't a punishment. Just because you want some thing doesn't mean you need it.
There’s some things you should know and be asked though, like, would you actually PLAY as Excalibur Prime if he could be obtained like every other prime frame? Also, I’m pretty sure prime frames originally had no difference aside from name and cosmetic, so it wasn’t “pay to win”.
I'm a huge nerd for the story in this game, so I love how Umbra's lore pretty much changed everything. I'm looking forward to when they release more about the Ur Frames, even if we only ever *get* Excalibur. (Nyx, maybe, for old time's sake?)
Thank you for going into the troubled history of the Chinese build. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for devs to work with sets of requirements that are so different from each other. It's hard work and I salute them for it.
I’d imagine the number of umbra frames are going to be very small but will fill the niche of variant frames that are better than lesser primes (Ex. Frost Prime, Nyx Prime etc)
An awesome video! Sadly this is one of these frames where I wasn't there for the history, since I joined after the Sacrifice dropped, but these documentaries are insanely well done. Plus, the music is always on top. You would not get how surprised I was to hear an old Omega Strikers theme 👌
I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS UPLOAD RIGHT HERE
Ik this might sound weird but Excal Umbra was the reason I started playing the game. I was like, damn that looks cool and downloaded the game and started working towards the quest ASAP
You still play?
Wow. Imagine making it so you *HAD* to pay platinum (that was 10x more expensive) or your favourite gun would just vanish. What a scam.
Most of the China exclusive items are available in global version. Things that still exclusive are mainly decorations and Primed Charged Chamber (Charged Chamber but having 110% damage buff addictive with Primed Chamber)
He really needs to stay exactly where he is and no further "umbra exclusives" need to be brought over. All it would do is devalue the current existence of every prime we currently have. And the fact he is statically exactly the same as regular Excalibur Prime, the founders can keep their worse version since they all love lording it over everyone but we effectively got it anyway. And the way I feel about him finally being released was DE saying, "we know we're contractually obligated not to allow anyone else to have Excalibur Prime, but here is the exact same thing but better. So will you please leave us alone about it." So its a good consolation over the fact there are hardly any founders left to fight back against DE should they ever release the Skana or Lato again and thats why Umbra needs to stay right where he is. Even though the likelihood of those weapons being rereleased is next to zero, at least we have him.
There will never be another umbra frame They already stated that several times
It all started when my friend told me about an rpg looter shooter game that is completly different from other rpg games. He explained the game to me about 1hour literally im not joking. But still succeed to make me interested in game. So... i downloaded it. The beginning was insane. Never saw something like that in rpg games. Mechanincs,guns animations... İt all was perfect. Then the tutorial ended. And i find myself wondering what should i do next? That was not a complain. That was "starting of an addiction" i was learning game from different channels and guides. And lerned pretty much everything about game. Thats the moment i realized i have been playing game for 240 hours in 2 weeks. Thats equal to 120 each week. I never played any game like this. Never. İ dont know why im still playing it and how i still enjoying it...
I hate you my friend
thanks for the video Nova. And i gotta say it's been 6y since excal umbra launched but i still get the chills with the sacrifice reveal teaser
I remember playing The Sacrifice quest for the first time. Goood times
@@ntactime_w3488I remember the chess, checkers scene with ballas and his weird arm 😂
God I can remember it. The Sacrifice was literally all over the internet on release. People pretty much lost their minds. You can have your complaints about the game but god DAMN does DE know how to make a cinematic quest. Still fucking do too it’s amazing
Feels good to be an Umbra main :)
EDIT: If you don’t wanna use the typical Gloom build for Umbra, try Tharros Strike instead!
Should try Nikana with Daikyu Amalgum mod with Valkyrs subsume.
L helminth ideas. What is terrify ammiright?
Or Wrathful Advance + Chromatic blade and furious javelin.
Mirage eclipse. Nuff said
Hey! Are you an unoriginal sweat who will piss his pants without a boring-ass crutch ability that does all the work for you? Yeah? Well, try this even more braindead ability! Now with armor-strip!
A small thing to note with design intentions . . . DE has known for years that the new player experience is on shaky ground. DE fostered an amazing community and that community has propped up the game for a very long time. Umbra was the start of the internal move toward meeting their goal of making the NEW PLAYERS experience better. The entire storyline is no longer gated behind mastery progression, which was the primary driver for new and casual players "get stronger and more of the game opens up." Now new players can hop right in and quickly gain access to a top shelf, one of the best warframes in the game that can carry them through ALL of the content if they so choose too. It was a sacrifice in many ways, one of them being the old way of warframe which kept all the goodies locked down.
I wish I had the money to be a founder back when I could have.
Really want to put Excal. Prime's helment on Umbra's body
As someone who ditches games for months at a time and comes back every few months or so, If I lived in china, my WF account would be wiped everytime I came back, and that terrifies me.
the only thing i wanted for warframe 10 year anniversary was a surprise 10 year anniversary warframe umbra... like anyone, even loki would had been cool. but we are not getting it. but hey, we got some glyphs, right
Umbra isnt the same as primes lore wise, its doubtful any umbra warframes exist at all outside of Excalibur
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It wouldn't make sense for them to release another Umbra.
What is glyphs my friend
Isn't umbra the first successful Warframe, like all other excals are copies of him
@@practicallyprinzNo, Umbra is a unique Exalibur that is basically just full body CBT inflicted by ballass
Warframe China sounds like the worst game ever. Straight from every gamer’s nightmares.
currently on natah quest
onw for umbra!
Use Umbra, equip long range automatic primary (Supra Vandal, or Telos Boltor), put in gear few Wisp Specters, Shield Osprey Specter, Corrupted Bombard Specter, Ancient Healer Specter and Squad Energy/Health/Ammo Restore Large and go solo on the highest level Survival Dark Sector, choose a long hall with only one entrence, pres 5 and you read a book or watch a movie for few hours. You'll leave the place with loot for a month nonstop crafting.
Just collect every 3-4 min life support modules activating Void Sling, to keep life support to 100%.
You welcome.
Excalibur umbra is the only one who kept me going i first played warframe 2 years ago my best friend got me into this game because my mate guided me through this game like a mentor and after my mate passed away I made a promise to him that I will reach legendary mastery rank with my excalibur umbra I will keep that promise to promise to the end
If i had to pay to keep my gun or itd dissappear id lose my mind
Spoilers, explanation for Excalibur Umbra being the only Umbra Warframe.
The reason Umbra is its own frame is due to the fact that 'Umbra' is the person who became the Warframe you earn in the Sacrifice.
That's the reason as to why there are no more Umbra frames. Umbra was a Dax soldier who essentially got screwed by Ballas, an Orokin.
There will never be another umbra. He's technically a prime they stated that several times
This video was really good man, the commentary and editing is on par with popular commentators that i was surprised you weren't more popular, you should expand your documentaries onto other games and pieces of media because the quality of your content is very high.
DE didn't initially announce Excal Umbra Prime. They took a trip to China and pretended it was a vacation. Then the China build leaked and with that leak, Excalibur Umbra Prime leaked. That caused controversy because 1) DE was getting around their Excal Prime exclusivity pledge and 2) this new prime version of Excal was exclusive to China. It took DE a while to even acknowledge the truth, and at that point, they announced Warframe China and promised to release Excal Umbra to the global build. They then waited 3 years to start working on Excal Umbra, because that's how much they didn't want to release it for the global build. They never wanted their non-Chinese players to even know about the China build or its exclusives. The leaks forced them to acknowledge it. That's also why there have been no new Umbras despite DE saying they would release more. They never wanted to.
Now we need Umbral Lato and Skana.
6:53 this would’ve been the perfect place to put a vpn sponsorship.
American OG here.. I remember when we heard rumors of China's special Excalibur skin and it made me want their version! Oh how foolish I was...
Let’s be honest umbra is just a replacement for excal prime and I wouldn’t have it any other way
Word becomes fact. What I expected from the beginning finally happened.
Domo arigato.
One correction: if I recall, the “global” Warframe community didn’t find out about Excalibur Umbra Prime by official announcement, but by a leak. DE didn’t tell us until the leaks sparked a bit of an uproar about DE violating the “agreement” with Founders.
Honestly, the biggest issues were that 1) Umbra Prime was a marked visual improvement over Excal Prime, and 2) the Umbra leaks just fed into the long-standing discontent that Excal Prime had been so exclusive.
"Excalibur Umbra is the Umbra version of Excalibur"
Roll Credits
As much as people would want more Umbras, I believe it’s better to keep it to only one because it would devalue the first one and his story. I would rather warframes feel special in everything they can rather than mesh them together with very little differences. It’s why I don’t agree with taking abilities from other frames and putting them on others since what would get me interested in other frames as a player was seeing an ability I wasn’t familiar with and be like “woah, what are they using?”
Thematically, Umbra is the ONLY warframe that should exist at all in his current state, the only other warframe that would act differently like him would be Nidus. Nidus lore is also amazing and it is a shame they never fixed the grind to get him. Nidus Prime solves the accessibility problem, but the quest is still one that has stuck with me for years and I've gladly done grind sessions with friends to help them get mastery.
Putting a speed ability on Rhino is useful and covenant.
Even for stealth frames like ash and loki
Honestly having mag and volt umbra is the only thing i want because it just felt rightto have the startes have their light and shadow versions
The starter frames haven't always been those though. My starter frame was Loki.
@@epsteindidntkillhimself69 damn I remember when he was a starter pick suck I started Warframe after he left
@@Obviousfrosting6998 Yea, that's really a trip down memory road. That build of the game is so alien to the one we have today. Ultimately, you got the better end of the stick though. We were also limited to three lives per day, and getting more lives was a microtransaction. So my friends and I would get on and play for a couple hours until one of us got locked out for the day. My primary role on the team was using invisibility to revive people because we were all kids who couldn't afford microtransactions.
"Weapons would need to be maintained with Platinum, otherwise they'd disappear like Argon Crystals"
I'm sorry, *W H A T ? !*
I mean, I guess you could say that... But it feels like overthinking about it.
I feel like they wanted/needed to have a Prime version for Excal, that is still one of the most popular and iconic Warframes for Warframe.
BUt the Prime version of Excal was given only to founder members and will never be released again. So DE had to make up a new """"prime""""" version for Excal, and they came up with this Umbra thing. That really makes no sense in lore and is not going to be a trend for any other Warframe.
Reminder that Umbra(lorewise) is a very special case, every single warframe lost their mind almost immediately due to the infestation no matter how gard the Orokin tried. The whole warframe thing was put on hold almost instantaneously until they found the Zariman children, who through transference, could see something so ugly(warframes) and show compassion and manage to control them by calming their mind and ridding the warframes of their suffering. Umbra was able to function properly and not be a mindless beast because Ballas hated his guts(because umbra was spying on him and found out the whole shit Ballas had planned with the sentients) so when ballas turned that Dax into a warframe he gave him one memory to forever replay in his head, the memory of Umbra killing his own son. That constant memory allowed Umbra to latch onto some semblance of who he was and kept his sentience. Every other warframe is literally mindless and are puppets, whatever was there got instantly extinguished the moment the infestation took over their bodies, except for MAYBE other exceptions, but Umbra is the only one so far.
Ever after The Sacrifice quest, I always do the main quests of Warframe (Prologues, New War, Whispers etc) with Umbra, because it just feels right.
He's not my "main" frame, but he's my "lore accurate" frame.
What follows is a rant. It is long. If you don't want to read it, I don't care that you don't want to read it. You don't need to tell me that you did not read it. Move on.
The extremely common misconception in warframe is that Umbra is a "series" of warframes and that Umbra is somehow special, and that Ballas made an entire audiobook of information to give to the sentients, but for some reason players believe that Ballas is only telling sentients about Umbra or an "umbra series" when that is absolutely never implied to be the case.
That's absolute nonsense.
In the quest where you first unlock operator, it's shown that the operator is unable to use Transference without the transference chair or direct contact. It's LITERALLY shown. The warframe deactivates as soon as the operator exits their pod. Then the operator has to crawl to the warframe and make direct contact to control it again.
Then, you get to the orbiter, and you have to defeat the Stalker, only the Stalker stabs your warframe and separates it from the operator. Stalker then tries to strangle the operator, but since Stalker is himself a warframe (tum dum duuum oh look another sentient warframe and he's not "an umbra". duh.), contact with the operator actually soothes him and causes him to lose his will to kill. This is when the warframe that was stabbed, takes a moment to, on its own, without being Transference-controlled, break the sword it was stabbed with (War) in two, breaking the Sentient's link to Stalker. The operator is then placed inside the transference chair in order to be able to control warframes.
In the next operator-related quest, the queens try to take over your body, but through the void nonsense of Conceptual Embodiment, the operator creates a version of Teshin inside their mind and has that Teshin help the operator unlock their forgotten abilities in order to escape the queens. This succeeds and now the operator is able to use Transference without the need for the chair and without the need for contact.
Then, some side information. Titania was a warframe that was given to an archimedian to help that archimedian. This warframe was never implied to have been controlled by a tenno. Mesa also acts on its own in Patient Zero. It's not being controlled by a tenno, and warframes are immune to the Infestation, since they are infestation. Instead, the infestation messed with that Mesa's mind, like it tries to mess with the mind of the player in Infested Salvage, telling the player's warframe "we are your flesh", etc to try to convince it to join the infestation hivemind. That fails because the player warframes are always in contact with their frames when this happens. Chroma was not controlled by a tenno. It may have been under Sentient influence, or something else - but there it was, uncontrolled.
Then we have the most important information as to how exactly the warframes are made, what they act like, and why the tenno are able to control them, in Rhino Prime's codex entry. It describes a warframe being created and tests run on it to allow the orokin to control them, but the warframe is beastly, full of rage, and uncontrollable. However, just before it bashes one of the scientists' brains in, it stops, and it's revealed that it had been pacified by one of the Tenno, held in an adjacent chamber.
Then, in the Sacrifice quest where Umbra is introduced, we learn the actual process of creating WARFRAMES. NOT "umbra warframes". You take a subject, you create a strain of infestation that will suit your needs, and then you infest the subject with it. The process is painful, and has been used both on volunteers and on criminals, as both "reward" and punishment. In the quest, we see through the eyes of Umbra, how it's being twisted into a Warframe, dose by dose, and slowly losing control. We also know that Umbra specifically was fitted with a transference bolt that is different from most of the rest. This would indicate that Ballas' betrayal happened some time before the warframes were paired with the tenno, and that transference bolt was created for Ballas to be able to control Umbra's actions to an extent - such as when Umbra was fully transformed and lashed out in anger, but not toward Ballas, which is what it wanted, but toward his own son, at Ballas' command. We also know from later in the quest that Umbra was unable to strike against Ballas because of it. And from just before that, we see in action the pacification of a warframe, as described in the Rhino Prime codex entry, and as narrated by Ballas. The warframe is full of anger, hate, torment, because of how it was created. What the tenno do is take away their pain, literally. As for their memories - it seems each Tenno can have a different approach. Some tenno help the warframe forget who it was, others help it simply move on, move forward but not forget, and others still, tell it to use those memories. In either case, the warframe is then pacified - its will is not overridden by default, as we see with both Umbra and Stalker. It has to relinquish control in order for the Operator to be able to control it. Most warframes we build are willing to follow us, either because they are too old to remember who they once were (in the case of the first starter frame), or because the volunteers we use to create the warframes with the helminth are just that - volunteers. Umbra was different because it was not grown out of a volunteer, but synthesized by an overcharged Ordis from the remains that we found on Earth, and built to the exact specifications of what was scanned - neural pathways included, since we also scan half of Umbra's head that survived. So we had to hunt it down and pacify it, bit by bit - one contact was not enough. Just like one contact with Stalker was not enough to subdue it - only to calm it, make it unwilling to kill the Tenno - which is also what happens to Umbra the first time you encounter it - it pushes the Operator out of itself, then examines the operator and wants to kill it - but the operator temporarily enters its mind, and it's pacified by this, opting to escape instead.
It's all neatly wrapped in a bow, but people want to make it convoluted and not make any sense. Oh sure ballas sent information to the sentients but actually it wasn't about the warframe project, no, it was about umbra project, of which there was only ever one, and it was under Ballas' control so it posed no threat to the sentients. Jesus Christ, the mental gymnastics.
The concept also works exactly the same way with any other thing the Operator transfers into - Necramechs also seem to be partially based on a person at the center (the central cocoon with the skull head is present in both of the variants of necramech, making it seem like it's not a design choice, but a requirement, and more than likely a coffin for a person whose mind was used to control the necramech. "Necra" already implies something to do with death, and they are stated to be the spiritual predecessors of warframes, who were also made out of living subjects. Lesser willed creatures like orowyrms and maw worms (don't remember their actual name) are easier to control, but there is only a limited time you can control them before they kick you out of their bodies as well. This is why they have a timer.
It baffles me how DE was able to make a coherent story out of all these outlandish elements, and yet most people just fail to understand the most basic aspects of it. Sure I don't expect everyone to understand why there is a difference between controlling an orowyrm and controlling a warframe, but warframe pacification? That's described in a non-missable quest, in detail. It's even narrated, and it's all but literally stated by ballas "Hey sentients, I am about to tell you about the warframe project, how they are made, and how we are controlling them".
This man gets it. Can't believe on one else does!
Honestly hearing music from any of the ff13 series is fantastic
The Chinese build of Warframe is a good look at how the main game likely would have been in the hands of any other publisher (Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc.) and would probably be on par with Destiny with how aggressive the monetization is there.
This is just one more reason we should be thankful for how DE have chosen to run the game. They have their faults and things to improve of course but this is a look at how much worse we could have had it.
I stupidly read the title as how Umbra choked the community
Which he actually did
The fact that umbra in Latin means shadow really does fit the fact he was hiding in the shadows for so long (out of all of the Warframes in my arsenal umbra comes second only to beaten by harrow prime in terms of favourites)
Im glad I have the privilege to play the global version of warframe. I have already put a bit too much money into the game and I couldn't imagine spending as much as dedicated chinese players are
We need another Umbra Warframe, new Umbra weapons and most of important Umbra Mobs.
I wish that charge attack melee builds could get +220% status chance mod with double for Charge attacks.
That way some melee weapons could not be forced to be specific weapon type to have forced slash status.
Nah we don't need more
IF they release more Umbras they should not ever be part of the main story again. They should be from difficult side Quests to even obtain and going through them should be no different. I do think it would be interesting to have backstories for more Warframes (Protea Umbra has a chance to be beautifully heartbreaking especially I think) but they shouldn't be common and they should require the base model to craft. It also shouldn't be an expectation like Primes are.
Kunai Prime doesn't exist
Do you mean Spira Prime?
It was referred to that at the time
It shook the community by not being stalker as it was originally planned. They barely retconned umbra into existence after players found out he was available in the chinese build for the chinese founders and crying about him because technically he's not excal prime so we can get him legally. Any new player who plays the quests in order feels the retcon hard. Everything leading up to the sacrifice builds up stalker's story but then he vanishes
I vividly remember Steve saying something along the lines of "Umbra wasn't supposed to be here it was just too much hype so we added him in" do you by chance have any articles/interviews backing that up or any info about stalker being in the quest originally? I will update this video if so, as that information is too substantial for a pinned comment.
bro , you gotta pay a subscription with Plat to keep your weapon ??? naaaaaaah that is down right diabolical 🤣
Umbra story is still one of my favorites of the Lore of Warframe. Also He looks the most like a Ninja due to the Scarf he wears. Everything about Excalibur says NINJA. But Umbra pushes that ideal to it's Max. Also it cool to see how much HYPE he had.
I love these videos. I've been playing warframe a few weeks after Christmas it the year it released on Xbox one. So I remember rumors and discourse and joining different clans. It was an accident I was there. Just like it was an accident that I found out me and my partners favorite game as children was a game thier family called "shooty game" but it was a PC game made by DE! So watching these videos feel weird. Like I'm being acknowledged. I was there ! I remember
The fact that China has their own build, but the Global build can't have tennogen skins with skulls and such really irks me.
Wait, wait, wait, CN players got a measly orokin catalyst after losing something as amazing as primed streamline? I would be pissed if I was them.
That aside, the umbra excal fiasco was huge at the time he was featured. I was only semi-active in Warframe during that time, but I would pop into the forums fairly often just to read something. It was umbra this, umbra that, when is it coming, why isn't it here yet, etc., etc. I'm not a founder, but I still understand why this got huge, especially for the founders who purchased the hunter tier or higher, since excal prime, lato prime, and skana prime are locked behind a contract that can and will put DE in the toilet if those three were to be released to the public.
I wish they made an umbra form for each of the three starter frames instead of just excalibur but in a way I get it
0:56 Bad music stops, video starts.
holy f the chine version is so bad how ppl play is unbelievable
"galactic armor"
pffft... we haven't taken a step out of the milky way yet
530 plat for a Bronco is fucking diabolical
You think if they ever catch up to new frames with prime they'll start releasing umbra versions of the other frames? I'd love to see a mag umbra
They can never catch up with newer frames lol, they are sure to release new frames around same time prime acces goes
I personally prefer Ash Prime to this Warframe but I have to admit it looks wise it is much better than Ash. All in all the best no trade/ no RNG grind/ free Warframe in this game right now. Anything better you either traded for it grinded for hours or bought it with real world currency.
Me too he does way more damage than umbra
Fun china fact, on china's page, there are 8 open worlds advertised(4 now and 4 upcoming)
When I first got Umbra which was recently a few days ago considering I'm a new Warframe player despite starting off with mag Umbra became one of my personal favorite warframes
Unpopular opinion:
I feel Umbra should've been it's own thing instead of a variant of Excal.
Yeah yeah yeah, it's a "substitute" for excal prime since it's founders exclusive, but still...
Also, funny how the sword umbra uses, Skiajati, isn't a variant of Skana to "substitute" Skana Prime, with no secondary to mirror Lato Prime.
Ohhh it's here YES. I finished the sacrifice quest about two weeks ago and it's so good, now im curious how people who've played the game longer than me reacted at the time
I’ve played WF on and off on various consoles since 2014. I beat the Umbra quest about a year ago. I remember when WF was mysterious and baron of any story. To play an actually compelling story quest was amazing. Especially becuase I played it around the time of my dads passing, so it hit me in the feels in a way I never expected.
i don’t really care about the story but that mission got me interest, recently, the new war stuff got me too duviri a little bit
I played on and off since 2014. I remember always hearing vague unconfirmed rumors and stories of an excalibur umbra throughout the community. The entire community was DUMB hyped for Umbra. When the time came the excitement was surreal…. I hope this puts it into perspective for you, bud.
The saddest day in my life for gaming will be the shuttering of warframes doors and it closing down for good. If DE had the ability to make a warframe movie, they'd have the framework and rich lore to do it. Warframe is a journey that everyone should make, it is the most memorable journey I've ever had in gaming and everything has been amazing. The people I've played with, the exploration of all the hidden nonsense behind the veil trying to unlock everything. It is something not seen and will likely never be again in gaming.
I think and actually hope umbrals stay very exclusive. Still I hope we see the other 2 starter frames added to that roster. (Also Loki, as it WAS a starter frame. Also also it could be a cool story beat)
It makes no sense to make other umbra frames. Excalibur umbra exists because we can't get excalibur prime.
@@artin2451 And lore-wise he only exists because Ballas had an explicit interest in using the Warframe program as a way to torture one specific person
I remember when people were giving out platinum for free.
The were really insistent on handing it out.
"Nothing in this world comes without a cost."
Just glad I turned them down.
Note: Khora is a bit broken in the Index, as her Kavat is still useable in spite of the pet ban. As her Kavat is a power, and not a pet.
I don’t think they should release any more umbra frames. Umbra is unique bc of the punishment
Well bad unique
Since his passive turns off some abilitys and apparently his 4 only in the void
And he takes up a warframe slot which personally I don't like
@@noahedenborg4221No he does not, he comes with his own slot.
@@Sparket yeah one I don't fucking use
Im surprised the Excalibur prime owners did not have anything to say against it because umbra is basically from what i heard much better than prime version.
he's literally worse but go on
@@lp.shakur Lol salty? Oh forgot excalibur prime has no benefits ourside of the basics. I would be salty too knowing that a fan favorite is better than prime because not only he has the stats but actually useful pasive. Not even mentioning that his design is also preffered. And that the only ones still using prime are founder's who dont know how to hide pride.
@@crimson3274 omg the amount of stupidity, I dont even own the prime and you seem to not play steel path because his buffs literally always get a reset when changing into Operator, no one is salty here, your on some hard dose of copium, it's a fact he needs fixing which DE outright refuse to do you uninformed noob
@@crimson3274 the amount of copium is sad, please inform yourself, I dont even own the prime and still rather use the normal over umbra
@@lp.shakur only one on copium here is you. How 10% damage and speed with only swords is going to beat being able to have a free vapor that has whatever you put on it? Literally delusional. Not even mentioning that the orginal Excalibur looks 100% better than the prime. Also... What is Excalibur prime's orgine story? Oh forgot. He has none. He is just a collection piece for founders. Never meant to be anything more than just slightly better Excalibur. Not possible to compare to having a frame that with the right setup and a team of four others can grind various missions by themselves without the player needing anything more than a good operator. But go on. Prove what is so much better in the normal Excalibur? If all you have to say "polarization" then sorry but formas exist. Because as far as i know this is the only argument because the passive is worthless.
As soon as I started thinking "hey isn't this a video about umbra, not china" it swapped back to being about umbra.
We didn't need the deep dive into what was happening on chinaframe ngl.
did you know you can type /unstuck and be unstuck
Galactic Armor!!! That’s a dope name!!!!
Ngl, i dont wa t any umbra frames. i like excalibur umbra for being SPECIAL
name: umbra
Strength: 10
Perception:10
Intelligence:9
Endurance:100
Charisma:0
Luck:100
from what I get from this china like always was making their warframe into a gacha style game everything that you state just shows how greedy they were trying to be towards whale type players and ignore their ftp players
Didn’t know about 90% of the things in this video. Great work man 👏
I literally only knew of Umbra Prime, The Sacrifice and the abilities, nothing else
@@sasson10 that’s the 10% I was referring to. Everything else involving China was unknown to me.
I like the look of embra but he's my least used warframe kinda funny I used him like 3 time and then forget about him
For future videos i suggest talking about the abilites when the frame launched and talk about how they changed instead of doing a overwiev at the end of the vid
Let me give you guys a tip, use kullervo subsume skill and walla, all melee got red crits haha. Excal mains unite !!