I worked about a mile from this plant all through the 90's. At times the toxic smell was so bad, that you could not stand to be outdoors. I can even remember early Saturday and Sunday were the worst. But it was always bad. I was amazed that they allowed that thing to operate, given the toxic-burnt plastic smell alone.
So the chemical processing plant just 50 yards away, that was always so bad inside that it was just a haze, had nothing to do with the bad smell? I wonder hoe many people are aware that there is a chemical disposal plant right next to the incinerator that was probably just as much to blame for everything the incinerator is blamed for.
I worked on quite a few power plants in the 90's cleaning the boilers, mostly coal but did visit this one and gota say it was the nastiest place I ever saw in all my days
I worked there for many, many years. When I hired in, it was still under construction in 1988. I was just a kid out of high school basically. I was there to see the initial startup, first fire, many protests and even more politicians. Lots of what was said in the video was true, but some was inaccurate, misleading or taken out of context. At the time, this plant was the largest and most state-of-the-art refuse fueled power plant in the world. We had a sister plant that was very similar, but smaller in Hawaii. It is still there today. Most people have no idea where electricity comes from or how a power plant works. Much of what was shown in this video is standard power plant equipment. Today, most of the trash that this plant used to burn is going to landfills. That plant spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the years updating and improving a lot of the environmental systems and equipment. This plant had no true chance to be successful because it was a HUGE political nightmare right from the beginning. A better job of recycling, removing metals and toxins from the trash prior to pick up, delivery and burning would have prevented a lot of the problems. I have worked in the energy industry my entire adult life. I have burned coal, trash, various gaseous fuels and oil. But working at the "trash plant" was the most unique work experience of my career. Today, due to environmental concerns, we are moving away from burning carbon-based fuels to produce power and are moving towards "greener" forms of power production such as wind and solar. But I fear that we all will soon find out that there is no such thing as "green energy". Every energy source has a cost. In most cases we do not realize the cost we must pay until much later down the road.
Sadly "green" energy will be the most catastrophic failure the West has ever endured. It simply does not generate enough power and low enough cost to be sustainable. Ironic, since they call it "sustainable energy"!! Coal and nuclear are the only real options for power in the next 30 years but it looks like large portions of the West will learn the hard way.
Putting the incinerator in the middle of the city was definitely a mistake, but I can’t help but wonder if the trash is just going to a landfill now instead of being used to generate power.
Bulk of the problem with that place was pretty simple and the owners and city chose not to deal with it. When you burn toxic materials that's what you get out the stack. We have a incinerator but we also have a very strict do's and don'ts trash policy and recycling program.
Bill Both ways could done good or bad way. Landfills pollutes air and around area too many cases. And this is in reality small owen with open fire, not good to burn even wood efficiently. Sand flow bed or plasma jet systems burn trash clean way, but you still dosen't throw just everything in those, if you want to do it clean way. I think this wasn't last one of this type system in US or anywhere :( In some countries all trash is collected and few times a week burned at open fiel. If we think that's worst way, this type facility and burner is very next of it. Some times unburned smoke have more energy left than that material where it came from. When process works and no wrong stuff in trash (hazardous waste, PVC, e-waste), then it could be burned cleaner than wood in camp fire.
Amazing, looks like this was a well built facility that was run into the ground. That could explain the levels of pollution that seemed to get worse over time as waste incinerators need to be run consistently at high temperatures to reduce emissions of compounds like dioxins, carbon monoxide and VOCs. Looking at the state of some of the equipment , even allowing for the time abandoned it was very surprising that no major incidents occured.
Actually, the environmental concerns were a problem right from the start. There needed to be a recycling program, a better metal removal process and vetting of the trash prior to pickup, delivery and burning it. If batteries, metals, chemicals, etc. were present in the trash then these items would be released into the atmosphere when burned. Another issue at this plant was that it was new state of the art technology that was not perfected at the time. The builders and engineers designed this plant in the same fashion as a coal fired plant. But refuse derived fuel and coal burn completely differently. Different temperatures, BTUs, emissions, ash, etc, everything is different. This resulted in a plant that was always a work in progress and always looking to rectify unforeseen problems. But the condition of the plant was consistent with most power plants of the same age.
That is exactly true. It was run into the ground with little money put into making sure what should've been sealed, was sealed. As you can see by a couple conveyors, simple cleanings would've went a long long way
When it was still active, the smell was horrible, just driving by it on the highway or any nearby by roads. One of the few buildings in Detroit I was happy to be closed down.
Great explore. A little on the creepy side but very interesting. I wouldn't want to live close to that place when it was operable. Very informative explore, love your explores.
Incineration has a number of outputs such as the ash and the emission to the atmosphere of flue gas. Before the flue gas cleaning system, if installed, the flue gases may contain particulate matter, heavy metals, dioxins, furans, sulfur dioxide, and hydrochloric acid. If plants have inadequate flue gas cleaning, these outputs may add a significant pollution component to stack emissions. In a study from 1997, Delaware Solid Waste Authority found that, for same amount of produced energy, incineration plants emitted fewer particles, hydrocarbons and less SO2, HCl, CO and NOx than coal-fired power plants, but more than natural gas-fired power plants.[17] According to Germany's Ministry of the Environment, waste incinerators reduce the amount of some atmospheric pollutants by substituting power produced by coal-fired plants with power from waste-fired plants.[18] Gaseous emissions
Located near the intersection of two interstate freeways, the incinerator was there for a long time, decades, and I never thought much of it and then at some point it started to smell. Like smell really bad. I'd drive past it on the way home from work. It was intolerable.
Always amazing to see people don't want a landfill or to incinerate it. They don't want it around yet you can't do anything with it either. Incinerator power plants are used in Japan where it reburns trash and the exhaust has scrubbers on it. Instead here people prefer it goes to a landfill not in their backyard. Which then some other areas residents will protest against.
@@belindahawkins4083 Yes, the old neighborhoods that were bulldozed are known as “Urban Prairies” the wildlife came back, and I’m not talking about the criminals!,
landfills smell horrid too there is one right by me on the highway between st. louis county and st. charles county in missouri and it smells horrid .. at least this way the trash was being burnt but they should have put it in a more secluded place
@@morganophelia5963 yeah it's all garbage and nasty but landfills just are the worst way to dispose of it. At least burning it also produced electricity and got rid of it at the same time instead of just rotting away in the open
@@morganophelia5963 exactly what I was thinking also. Why on earth would they put it anywhere close to a populated area when so many other options exist
@@morganophelia5963Why should it have been put in a more secluded place so that it stinks up rural residents? City residents should deal with their own waste by incineration.
the feed water in the turbine system, may have to be adjusted, often to prevent calcium mineral build up In the system. Or to acidic conditions. If there were scrubbed for the exhaust gas the ph Value of exhaust scrubber fluids, also needs checking. The scrubber fluid gets acidic over time and the ph has to be adjusted . (If the place even had scrubber)? These type of incinerator Use water spraying in the combustion Oven to regulate water wapuer content and temperature in the oven. The temperature regulation, also control levels of nitric oxide and nitric dioxid content in the exhaust. The wet gas condensation in the Steam heat exchanger helps with Increasing effect on the boiler, so You want to wet the gases if the fuel is dry. The fuel is often burned in fluid bed based system air is blown in the fuel under high pressure. Making" it boil ", some plants have sand beds that the air comes up thrue, or metal roaster grids. As I understand it this site also made Heat for the Detroit, now this will Be done with fosil gas, that's not very Climate friendly..... And the trash will probably have to be Put in landfill instead. It would be better if they had Upgraded the plant with proper, filtration, and exhaust gas /fly ash/ partical /metal separation. Mayby even carbon capture storage. Instead of shutting it down. I get that the situation, was really bad When it was running, absolutely. But landfills that leak methane, and toxins, and fosile gas burning is not very good either. (CCS could be used Att the gas heat plant also) When you have these types of heat and electricity combination plants you get quite high efficiency for the fuel burnt. Of course waste burning, could not replace recycling, but recycling need a system of separation of the material strems Generated, and some material Would be landfill burn stream, even with a well organised sorting recycling system.
Incineration is a waste treatment process that involves the combustion of substances contained in waste materials.[1] Industrial plants for waste incineration are commonly referred to as waste-to-energy facilities. Incineration and other high-temperature waste treatment systems are described as "thermal treatment". Incineration of waste materials converts the waste into ash, flue gas and heat. The ash is mostly formed by the inorganic constituents of the waste and may take the form of solid lumps or particulates carried by the flue gas. The flue gases must be cleaned of gaseous and particulate pollutants before they are dispersed into the atmosphere. In some cases, the heat that is generated by incineration can be used to generate electric power.
Burning trash for power is a great idea... The problem lies in the maintenance... Owners get cheap and don't do what's required to keep the waste filtered properly so theres no pollutants exiting the stacks... When first built im sure everything was up to code but once the enforcement workers are gone then that's when things go down hill quickly... If there were enough code enforcers to go through all these places and stop these pollution making companies then this planet would be fine... Im guessing people aren't going to take things seriously until they themselves cant breathe or get sick!!! I don't know why they seem to think what their doing isnt going to effect them but I got news, ITS COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES TOO!!!!
Abandoned Central thanks foe sharing this video i really enjoyed it about Uncovering the Horrors of An Abandoned Detroit Incinerator it was a very interesting video and God Bless.
I lived in Brewster Homes for 16years before I moved out and complained about it nothing was ever done up until now … be careful of who you vote for and put in office… that place should not have been there from the get go around hospitals and residential areas..
Well, if the designers and engineers who built this facility correctly, with the appropriate scrubber and filtration systems, as well as limiting to what kind of garbage was being burned, this facility would be running today with very few issues. This facility was definitely an example of what unregulated, free market capitalism gives us. Also, there is a lot of valuable stuff in this facility that could have been auctioned or donated to second hand stores and suppliers like those tool cabinets, lockers and even the switch gear.
Compared to modern garbage incineration facilities this is a prehistoric dinosaur no better than home incinerators people had in the 40s and 50s. In the 80s we pretty much openly burned garbage with no environmental protections or regulations whatsoever nowadays it’s different. Modern incineration plants treat everything that come out heavy metals and toxic vapors are a thing of the past.
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Ya basically a thin cloth jumpsuit. They are used for painting as well. It seals everything but your face. I have cleaned some waste burning stations in my past.
Waste inceneation is not safe, like they said in the video it is cheap fuel at a high cost to public health. And the plant never met its projected profitability. Nuclear power plants have the same cost effectiveness issues, the cost to build and maintain them is just too high, you will never makeup the costs or come close to making a profit. It's doomed to be kept open on the backs of overcharging the taxpayers for bad construction projects.
Way cool, thanks for the tour. Always wanted to see the turbine, generator, and control panel / room. I'm somewhat against the grain and a believer in incineration, it reduces waste volume by over 90%. Easy for me to say when I did not live by this one. I think we'll regret simply burying our garbage. It won't be in our lifetime, but will be an issue in the future. This incinerator was faulted in that it was placed within the city and likely had minimal emission treatment on its exhaust due to its age of design and construction. The smell could have been eliminated by keeping food out of the garbage. A lot of Detroit gets free food, so the amount of food waste in the garbage is high. Grind it up in the sink disposal instead. There is not enough effort to reduce garbage, there is no effort actually. Plastic is an amazing material, but should not be allowed to be single-use such as in packaging. A lot of items don't need packaging, which makes up a lot of our garbage. Recycling efforts should be mandatory, and limit one garbage can per household every 2 weeks. Build a modern incinerator with the latest emission controls on the exhaust, and place it out and away from suburban areas. We can do better, but we don't because of $. Burying is cheap. Sucks.
Ideally all waste should be separated and dealt with in the most environmentally responsible manner - recycling, composting, incinerating, whatever the case may be. The problem is coming up with an environmentally responsible, economically viable way of dealing with a complete mix of everything from food waste to plastic packaging to broken electronics. But separate waste collection streams is expensive, people are lazy and stupid, and putting things in the wrong bins can contaminate entire batches of a given type of waste/recoverable material. Disposable or single-use plastics really should be reduced, that's the obvious room for improvement. I've always thought there should be a "trash tax" on vendors for any material given to customers along with their products. There's this mindset of "reduce, reuse, recycle," but it's always aimed at consumers, when consumers usually don't have much choice, they have to take the packaging offered. Pressure needs to be on the supply side. Likewise there should be policies encouraging reusable instead of disposable, I think of all those "fast casual" eateries (Chipotle for example) that give dine-in customers single-use utensils, drink cups, etc, because that's cheaper than using reusable and having a dishwasher. Some sort of fee, say a few cents for each plastic fork, would shift those economics. For durable goods, I agree that plastic is an amazing material. Having a 3D printer makes me love it all the more - I can do almost anything with it. Thinking of landfills, I've pondered if someday, perhaps in a few centuries, we'll end up mining 20th/21st century landfills to recover valuable materials from them - metals, glass, maybe even some types of polymers. More advanced technologies for material recovery making that viable. I look at how much cost, energy, and environmental impact is involved in mining metal ores and processing them, surely valuable materials could be extracted from garbage cheaper than that, considering how much metal I see thrown away on a regular basis.
It is fucking weird that shit like this just gets left to sit around. Even weirder is the fact Detroit residents haven't stripped it of every bit of metal that can be fit in the back of a truck.
16:45 It is the sample valves to measure the water that is driving the turbine. If the PH goes too high or too low it will get corrosive. They momentarily tested the water which likely fed back to the boiler and drove the turbine
It’s no wonder that the people of Detroit were sickened & fed up with the incinerator. Cause if you look at the area that this place was built it’s totally right in the middle of this residential commercial of town. They should have built it somewhere far away from the town somewhere secluded
There's a lot of heavy industry in the area. Industry needs laborers, so people built neighborhoods around the area. There's even neighborhoods around the oil refinery not too far away.
The amount of toxins in the ground water from decades of steel smelting and automobile production had long since been an issue… Watch “Wall-E”, Waste removal and processing is an important part to sustaining civilization.
The chemicals were added to the boiler water to maintain the ph levels of the water to avoid corrosion. Phosphates can be beneficial for reducing mineral buildup in heat exchangers
Has anyone here been involved with a properly built and functioning Waste to Energy facility? I see much misinformation. 2 important truths-1)These facilities can run with very low environmental impact. 2) Placing it in the middle of the area served limits emissions from the trucks that deliver the fuel. Now for the opinion, these fail due to poor leadership at the highest levels-both public and private.
If you choose to move close to, or continue to live in close proximity to a facility like this, knowing it was there for over 30 years....... Need I say more?
If you do not produce solid waste from your domicile, You can call this what it is, If you send One bag of trash out of your door, you have no room to speak. Everyone mentions it was a mistake to put it in city center, But that was a cost effective position, Central to all production of waste= Less transport of waste, Less fuel burnt to put trash in the facility, And it was put in an already heavily contaminated place.
😡 WHY is this narrator touring this building WHISPERING it made the video nearly pointless I’m not sure WHY that infuriated me so much but I just STOPPED watching half way through
Do you happen to have the original source footage still at 30p? If so, can you please re-edit the content with it instead? (i can see the every 5th frame jump a lot...and its very jarring)
This is why Waste to Energy plants with proper scrubbers and regulations are important. When you have too much deregulation, you get dirty incinerators that pollute too much. Well run waste to energy plants with proper regulation are great. Dirty, unregulated incinerators are not.
Man , before watching the video i thought it was a giant crematorium for burning dead humans....the title should have the word Trash incinerator in it instead of just incinerator.
Didn't mention Body Parts. You know parts came in with the trash. Discover Body Parts & Everything Stops. Nobody wants that headache. What would YOU do? Also, Body Disposal could be a Lucrative Side Hustle.
I love your abandoned videos! Did you know if you incinerate a person with a pacemaker in them still it will explode. Incinerating the morbidly obese is also dangerous because human fat will overheat the unit--and it can explode. Cremation is the best way to dispose of bodies: It is cheapest and not wasting valuable land.
They should have pyrolized the plastic which would have given them a flammable gageous fuel and an oil-like fuel and burned them in a combustion turbine. They should have also taken the food waste, paper, carboard, and wood and put them into a biodigester (which would give the same thing as natural gas) and used that gas to make electricity. That would have greatly lowered emissions and reduced if not eliminated the smell.
tear it down and build something better, there always talking about a CLEAN AIR PROGRAM, start here? Detroit needs to change , before the country and the people disappear.
You guys need more light, really dangerous exploring a place like this. Most of these "Waste to Energy" plants never worked and were closed across the country long ago. Hard to control the emissions when you can't control what is in the trash going into the plant. The emissions were the same before the city sold it as they were after they sold it. It only became an issue when the city wasn't involved. Good to shut it down no matter who owns it. Being Detroit, I'm surprised it is being demolished.
People have no plan as long as they don't see it that's all they care. Trash has to go yet no solution will suit them. Instead of generating power and better scrubbers on the exhaust it now goes into a landfill. Then some other people will then proceed to protest it being there.
I worked about a mile from this plant all through the 90's. At times the toxic smell was so bad, that you could not stand to be outdoors. I can even remember early Saturday and Sunday were the worst. But it was always bad. I was amazed that they allowed that thing to operate, given the toxic-burnt plastic smell alone.
So the chemical processing plant just 50 yards away, that was always so bad inside that it was just a haze, had nothing to do with the bad smell? I wonder hoe many people are aware that there is a chemical disposal plant right next to the incinerator that was probably just as much to blame for everything the incinerator is blamed for.
I worked on quite a few power plants in the 90's cleaning the boilers, mostly coal but did visit this one and gota say it was the nastiest place I ever saw in all my days
They aren't even profitable anymore. Clean energy is wayyyy better in every single possible way
How do the boilers get cleaned?
@@ms_cartographer normally super high pressured water. Sometimes using air chisels and needlers if the material is really thick.
I pushed a broom in Monroe Power Plant back in the '80's and it was FILTHY!
@@ms_cartographer we used Detinating cord and Amonium nitrate
I worked there for many, many years. When I hired in, it was still under construction in 1988. I was just a kid out of high school basically. I was there to see the initial startup, first fire, many protests and even more politicians. Lots of what was said in the video was true, but some was inaccurate, misleading or taken out of context. At the time, this plant was the largest and most state-of-the-art refuse fueled power plant in the world. We had a sister plant that was very similar, but smaller in Hawaii. It is still there today. Most people have no idea where electricity comes from or how a power plant works. Much of what was shown in this video is standard power plant equipment. Today, most of the trash that this plant used to burn is going to landfills. That plant spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the years updating and improving a lot of the environmental systems and equipment. This plant had no true chance to be successful because it was a HUGE political nightmare right from the beginning. A better job of recycling, removing metals and toxins from the trash prior to pick up, delivery and burning would have prevented a lot of the problems. I have worked in the energy industry my entire adult life. I have burned coal, trash, various gaseous fuels and oil. But working at the "trash plant" was the most unique work experience of my career. Today, due to environmental concerns, we are moving away from burning carbon-based fuels to produce power and are moving towards "greener" forms of power production such as wind and solar. But I fear that we all will soon find out that there is no such thing as "green energy". Every energy source has a cost. In most cases we do not realize the cost we must pay until much later down the road.
Some do realise, others are just in for the money…
Sadly "green" energy will be the most catastrophic failure the West has ever endured. It simply does not generate enough power and low enough cost to be sustainable. Ironic, since they call it "sustainable energy"!! Coal and nuclear are the only real options for power in the next 30 years but it looks like large portions of the West will learn the hard way.
Putting the incinerator in the middle of the city was definitely a mistake, but I can’t help but wonder if the trash is just going to a landfill now instead of being used to generate power.
Tbf ... Detroit is a ghost city. They don't exactly have a ton of energy needs anymore.
Yup! The logic baffles me, you can’t have it both ways. At least electricity is the plus of this style
Bulk of the problem with that place was pretty simple and the owners and city chose not to deal with it. When you burn toxic materials that's what you get out the stack. We have a incinerator but we also have a very strict do's and don'ts trash policy and recycling program.
Yeah, the landfill is WAY better than being burnt... Are you slow?
Bill
Both ways could done good or bad way.
Landfills pollutes air and around area too many cases.
And this is in reality small owen with open fire, not good to burn even wood efficiently.
Sand flow bed or plasma jet systems burn trash clean way, but you still dosen't throw just everything in those, if you want to do it clean way.
I think this wasn't last one of this type system in US or anywhere :(
In some countries all trash is collected and few times a week burned at open fiel.
If we think that's worst way, this type facility and burner is very next of it.
Some times unburned smoke have more energy left than that material where it came from.
When process works and no wrong stuff in trash (hazardous waste, PVC, e-waste), then it could be burned cleaner than wood in camp fire.
Imagine the day they started that up, all fresh, and clean, and brand new!!!.....Thanks for a great explore!!!!
Amazing, looks like this was a well built facility that was run into the ground. That could explain the levels of pollution that seemed to get worse over time as waste incinerators need to be run consistently at high temperatures to reduce emissions of compounds like dioxins, carbon monoxide and VOCs. Looking at the state of some of the equipment , even allowing for the time abandoned it was very surprising that no major incidents occured.
Actually, the environmental concerns were a problem right from the start. There needed to be a recycling program, a better metal removal process and vetting of the trash prior to pickup, delivery and burning it. If batteries, metals, chemicals, etc. were present in the trash then these items would be released into the atmosphere when burned. Another issue at this plant was that it was new state of the art technology that was not perfected at the time. The builders and engineers designed this plant in the same fashion as a coal fired plant. But refuse derived fuel and coal burn completely differently. Different temperatures, BTUs, emissions, ash, etc, everything is different. This resulted in a plant that was always a work in progress and always looking to rectify unforeseen problems. But the condition of the plant was consistent with most power plants of the same age.
@@gregorygregory4966 who cares. Don't like it move. Why would you live in Detroit to begin with
That is exactly true. It was run into the ground with little money put into making sure what should've been sealed, was sealed. As you can see by a couple conveyors, simple cleanings would've went a long long way
@17:35 - that is a water conductivity meter. Essentially measures the mineral content of the water used in the boilers.
Hell yeah just put all the trash in a landfill that’s better for the planet right guys?
When it was still active, the smell was horrible, just driving by it on the highway or any nearby by roads. One of the few buildings in Detroit I was happy to be closed down.
Might give the smells coming from the "shit plant" in Essex Md a run, lol.
Worked a mile from there. It was unbearable at times.
@@kenny8351 smelled like dead bodies floating thru the air .. can’t believe they let this go on for so long 🤦♂️
Oh yeah driving down 75 when that thing was on was always awful
Well it handled waste. Rotten food and meat, diapers and who knows what else. I guess it all depended how much was stored there before burning.
Great explore. A little on the creepy side but very interesting. I wouldn't want to live close to that place when it was operable. Very informative explore, love your explores.
The perfect place to make a human corpse disappear, the perfect crime, just perfect.
I worked at a plant like this for Ogden Martin, later bought out by Covanta.
We had the same exact uniform lockers.
Incineration has a number of outputs such as the ash and the emission to the atmosphere of flue gas. Before the flue gas cleaning system, if installed, the flue gases may contain particulate matter, heavy metals, dioxins, furans, sulfur dioxide, and hydrochloric acid. If plants have inadequate flue gas cleaning, these outputs may add a significant pollution component to stack emissions.
In a study from 1997, Delaware Solid Waste Authority found that, for same amount of produced energy, incineration plants emitted fewer particles, hydrocarbons and less SO2, HCl, CO and NOx than coal-fired power plants, but more than natural gas-fired power plants.[17] According to Germany's Ministry of the Environment, waste incinerators reduce the amount of some atmospheric pollutants by substituting power produced by coal-fired plants with power from waste-fired plants.[18]
Gaseous emissions
This was very interesting. I love how you always give us info on the places you explore, when you can!
Sad that so many were hurt by this...
Judging by the info he gave here, I wouldn't believe any info he gives.
Located near the intersection of two interstate freeways, the incinerator was there for a long time, decades, and I never thought much of it and then at some point it started to smell. Like smell really bad. I'd drive past it on the way home from work. It was intolerable.
It looks very spooky, but also so interesting in there! Awesome video!
Always amazing to see people don't want a landfill or to incinerate it. They don't want it around yet you can't do anything with it either. Incinerator power plants are used in Japan where it reburns trash and the exhaust has scrubbers on it. Instead here people prefer it goes to a landfill not in their backyard. Which then some other areas residents will protest against.
This place looks like they turned the power off and split
They shut it down but now the schools and homes are abandoned
Cool
Half of this craphole City is abandoned,you can fit the City of San Francisco in the empty land of Detroit, whole neighborhoods were bulldozed.
@@apocyldoomer
I didn't know that😥😢😳
@@BaloonLlama6056
Not cool
Ppl died from the poison of that place
@@belindahawkins4083 Yes, the old neighborhoods that were bulldozed are known as “Urban Prairies” the wildlife came back, and I’m not talking about the criminals!,
great video!! You have such an amazing channel, so glad to come across it and subscribe.
Awesome work bro 👍 cheers from Toronto Canada
Well the placement of it in the middle of a city was a bad idea but now I bet most of that garbage is off to the landfill
landfills smell horrid too there is one right by me on the highway between st. louis county and st. charles county in missouri and it smells horrid .. at least this way the trash was being burnt but they should have put it in a more secluded place
@@morganophelia5963 yeah it's all garbage and nasty but landfills just are the worst way to dispose of it. At least burning it also produced electricity and got rid of it at the same time instead of just rotting away in the open
@@aricgoetz910 i agree. i just think they should have put it away from the people though in a better place
@@morganophelia5963 exactly what I was thinking also. Why on earth would they put it anywhere close to a populated area when so many other options exist
@@morganophelia5963Why should it have been put in a more secluded place so that it stinks up rural residents? City residents should deal with their own waste by incineration.
the fact that 34 people died their that year says it all.
The caustic is for boiler water quality not to burn through the trash.
the feed water in the turbine system, may have to be adjusted, often to prevent calcium mineral build up
In the system. Or to acidic conditions.
If there were scrubbed for the exhaust gas the ph
Value of exhaust scrubber fluids, also needs checking.
The scrubber fluid gets acidic over time and the ph has to be adjusted .
(If the place even had scrubber)?
These type of incinerator
Use water spraying in the combustion
Oven to regulate water wapuer content and temperature in the oven.
The temperature regulation, also control levels of nitric oxide and nitric dioxid content in the exhaust.
The wet gas condensation in the
Steam heat exchanger helps with
Increasing effect on the boiler, so
You want to wet the gases if the fuel is dry.
The fuel is often burned in fluid bed based system air is blown in the fuel under high pressure.
Making" it boil ", some plants have sand beds that the air comes up thrue, or metal roaster grids.
As I understand it this site also made
Heat for the Detroit, now this will
Be done with fosil gas, that's not very
Climate friendly.....
And the trash will probably have to be
Put in landfill instead.
It would be better if they had
Upgraded the plant with proper, filtration, and exhaust gas /fly ash/ partical /metal separation. Mayby even carbon capture storage.
Instead of shutting it down.
I get that the situation, was really bad
When it was running, absolutely.
But landfills that leak methane, and toxins, and fosile gas burning is not very good either. (CCS could be used
Att the gas heat plant also)
When you have these types of heat and electricity combination plants you get quite high efficiency for the fuel burnt. Of course waste burning, could not replace recycling, but recycling need a system of separation of the material strems
Generated, and some material
Would be landfill burn stream, even
with a well organised sorting recycling system.
Incineration is a waste treatment process that involves the combustion of substances contained in waste materials.[1] Industrial plants for waste incineration are commonly referred to as waste-to-energy facilities. Incineration and other high-temperature waste treatment systems are described as "thermal treatment". Incineration of waste materials converts the waste into ash, flue gas and heat. The ash is mostly formed by the inorganic constituents of the waste and may take the form of solid lumps or particulates carried by the flue gas. The flue gases must be cleaned of gaseous and particulate pollutants before they are dispersed into the atmosphere. In some cases, the heat that is generated by incineration can be used to generate electric power.
very informative and as always a great video!
Burning trash for power is a great idea... The problem lies in the maintenance... Owners get cheap and don't do what's required to keep the waste filtered properly so theres no pollutants exiting the stacks... When first built im sure everything was up to code but once the enforcement workers are gone then that's when things go down hill quickly... If there were enough code enforcers to go through all these places and stop these pollution making companies then this planet would be fine... Im guessing people aren't going to take things seriously until they themselves cant breathe or get sick!!! I don't know why they seem to think what their doing isnt going to effect them but I got news, ITS COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES TOO!!!!
Great video. It's really neat to see what it looked like
Lol, that wipe your feet sign😂 Yes,keep the dirtiest thing in the known universe perfectly tidy🧼🧽 Good Grief🙈🙉🙊
How many bags of trash do you send out of your domicile each week…?
Abandoned Central thanks foe sharing this video i really enjoyed it about Uncovering the Horrors of An Abandoned Detroit Incinerator it was a very interesting video and God Bless.
I lived in Brewster Homes for 16years before I moved out and complained about it nothing was ever done up until now … be careful of who you vote for and put in office… that place should not have been there from the get go around hospitals and residential areas..
I work with M.Moore and F. Opificius for 10 years at that plant as a Aux Assistant Operator, this is wild seeing this.
@mgeorge162 how's it going my friend. Fancy seeing you on here..
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You scooped The Proper People with this one.
Well, if the designers and engineers who built this facility correctly, with the appropriate scrubber and filtration systems, as well as limiting to what kind of garbage was being burned, this facility would be running today with very few issues. This facility was definitely an example of what unregulated, free market capitalism gives us. Also, there is a lot of valuable stuff in this facility that could have been auctioned or donated to second hand stores and suppliers like those tool cabinets, lockers and even the switch gear.
Compared to modern garbage incineration facilities this is a prehistoric dinosaur no better than home incinerators people had in the 40s and 50s. In the 80s we pretty much openly burned garbage with no environmental protections or regulations whatsoever nowadays it’s different. Modern incineration plants treat everything that come out heavy metals and toxic vapors are a thing of the past.
i still burn with a incinerator🤣
Thanks for covering this.
Wow great video I always wanted to see in side that place been seeing it my hole life burning trash .
They just needed to install participant filters. Japan incinerates their trash but they do also sort it a lot better
All that the local residents need to do is just HOLD their BREATH !
...are you fu
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Ya basically a thin cloth jumpsuit. They are used for painting as well. It seals everything but your face. I have cleaned some waste burning stations in my past.
Started to tear it down in 2023, most of it is still standing. I go by it daily
It's a miracle that the federal government e.p.a did not get involved in this matter of making it more safe to keep it up and running
Feds and epa take money😢
@@karuder you got that right young lady 💐🌹
Waste inceneation is not safe, like they said in the video it is cheap fuel at a high cost to public health. And the plant never met its projected profitability. Nuclear power plants have the same cost effectiveness issues, the cost to build and maintain them is just too high, you will never makeup the costs or come close to making a profit. It's doomed to be kept open on the backs of overcharging the taxpayers for bad construction projects.
@@Ruthy101 thanks for your reply on this video on this matter young man 👍
They didn’t get involved as all the thieves running the city had all the stealing well under control and they wouldn’t be able to get a cut of it.
Way cool, thanks for the tour. Always wanted to see the turbine, generator, and control panel / room. I'm somewhat against the grain and a believer in incineration, it reduces waste volume by over 90%. Easy for me to say when I did not live by this one. I think we'll regret simply burying our garbage. It won't be in our lifetime, but will be an issue in the future. This incinerator was faulted in that it was placed within the city and likely had minimal emission treatment on its exhaust due to its age of design and construction. The smell could have been eliminated by keeping food out of the garbage. A lot of Detroit gets free food, so the amount of food waste in the garbage is high. Grind it up in the sink disposal instead. There is not enough effort to reduce garbage, there is no effort actually. Plastic is an amazing material, but should not be allowed to be single-use such as in packaging. A lot of items don't need packaging, which makes up a lot of our garbage. Recycling efforts should be mandatory, and limit one garbage can per household every 2 weeks. Build a modern incinerator with the latest emission controls on the exhaust, and place it out and away from suburban areas. We can do better, but we don't because of $. Burying is cheap. Sucks.
Ideally all waste should be separated and dealt with in the most environmentally responsible manner - recycling, composting, incinerating, whatever the case may be. The problem is coming up with an environmentally responsible, economically viable way of dealing with a complete mix of everything from food waste to plastic packaging to broken electronics. But separate waste collection streams is expensive, people are lazy and stupid, and putting things in the wrong bins can contaminate entire batches of a given type of waste/recoverable material.
Disposable or single-use plastics really should be reduced, that's the obvious room for improvement. I've always thought there should be a "trash tax" on vendors for any material given to customers along with their products. There's this mindset of "reduce, reuse, recycle," but it's always aimed at consumers, when consumers usually don't have much choice, they have to take the packaging offered. Pressure needs to be on the supply side. Likewise there should be policies encouraging reusable instead of disposable, I think of all those "fast casual" eateries (Chipotle for example) that give dine-in customers single-use utensils, drink cups, etc, because that's cheaper than using reusable and having a dishwasher. Some sort of fee, say a few cents for each plastic fork, would shift those economics. For durable goods, I agree that plastic is an amazing material. Having a 3D printer makes me love it all the more - I can do almost anything with it.
Thinking of landfills, I've pondered if someday, perhaps in a few centuries, we'll end up mining 20th/21st century landfills to recover valuable materials from them - metals, glass, maybe even some types of polymers. More advanced technologies for material recovery making that viable. I look at how much cost, energy, and environmental impact is involved in mining metal ores and processing them, surely valuable materials could be extracted from garbage cheaper than that, considering how much metal I see thrown away on a regular basis.
Whoa, this is crazy! Thanks
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Until we change the "design it to fail and throw it away" mentality we will kill ourselves with stupidity. Car exhaust is no better,
It is fucking weird that shit like this just gets left to sit around. Even weirder is the fact Detroit residents haven't stripped it of every bit of metal that can be fit in the back of a truck.
Yea usually everything in Detroit gets scrapped out but they had security here so thats why the scrappers didn't get much from here.
That, and the materials are probably covered in toxic sludge.
Not sure what "atrocities" you uncovered. All if what you saw was standard stuff at an industrial facility. This one is obviously in very poor repair.
16:45 It is the sample valves to measure the water that is driving the turbine. If the PH goes too high or too low it will get corrosive. They momentarily tested the water which likely fed back to the boiler and drove the turbine
wow, creepy looking place.
Lots of people lost their jobs.
How bad was the smell currently?
It’s no wonder that the people of Detroit were sickened & fed up with the incinerator. Cause if you look at the area that this place was built it’s totally right in the middle of this residential commercial of town. They should have built it somewhere far away from the town somewhere secluded
There's a lot of heavy industry in the area. Industry needs laborers, so people built neighborhoods around the area. There's even neighborhoods around the oil refinery not too far away.
The amount of toxins in the ground water from decades of steel smelting and automobile production had long since been an issue… Watch “Wall-E”, Waste removal and processing is an important part to sustaining civilization.
Why is the guy touring the plant whispering you're not in a church service
sad that it polluted and was a waste and all that equipment sitting rotting i wonder how much copper is in that turbine just sad
17:59 They were adding phosphate and chemicals to it. Even more than what the people in the beginning of the episode thought so
They used to drop spent acid off the Tipping floor and let the trash soak it up. Then burn the trash....😮
The chemicals were added to the boiler water to maintain the ph levels of the water to avoid corrosion. Phosphates can be beneficial for reducing mineral buildup in heat exchangers
@ 20.58 "Rollers on Dance Floor Beams"??? It would seem that they had a good time at break!
The old Not in my backyard deal
New title: UNCOVERING THE HORRORS OF INHABITED DETROIT; the people!
Has anyone here been involved with a properly built and functioning Waste to Energy facility? I see much misinformation. 2 important truths-1)These facilities can run with very low environmental impact. 2) Placing it in the middle of the area served limits emissions from the trucks that deliver the fuel. Now for the opinion, these fail due to poor leadership at the highest levels-both public and private.
Freddy Krueger worked there.
I think they should restore it or rebuild it and get people back to work
Good stuff. Stinky. Wow.
All this equipment not dismantled and recycled is a waste
All the metal is being recycled, covering the cost of demolition and giving the City of Detroit a large % of the payback.
the plant made steam heat for many of the cities government buildings
If you choose to move close to, or continue to live in close proximity to a facility like this, knowing it was there for over 30 years....... Need I say more?
Uh yeah you could perhaps aim that smug di
If you do not produce solid waste from your domicile, You can call this what it is, If you send One bag of trash out of your door, you have no room to speak.
Everyone mentions it was a mistake to put it in city center, But that was a cost effective position, Central to all production of waste= Less transport of waste, Less fuel burnt to put trash in the facility, And it was put in an already heavily contaminated place.
😡 WHY is this narrator touring this building WHISPERING it made the video nearly pointless I’m not sure WHY that infuriated me so much but I just STOPPED watching half way through
I personally like the way it smells.
I hope they can pass a bill for this the new restore building 👷♂️ 2023 2024
I wonder how many people got cancer from this thing. Smh
Do you happen to have the original source footage still at 30p? If so, can you please re-edit the content with it instead? (i can see the every 5th frame jump a lot...and its very jarring)
I am glad they got rid of that place it was very nasty
Awesome!
Well who made all that garbage in the first place ? 🤷🏼🤷🏼♀️
This is why Waste to Energy plants with proper scrubbers and regulations are important. When you have too much deregulation, you get dirty incinerators that pollute too much. Well run waste to energy plants with proper regulation are great. Dirty, unregulated incinerators are not.
If I remember correctly, Mayor Young didn't want the expense of scrubbers so they weren't installed.
@@JoeFromDetroit wow. That's awful.
@@ms_cartographer I am going off 30+ year old memories, but I do recall him saying incinerator didn't need scrubbers.
@@JoeFromDetroit this is what happens when you have bad politicians who only care about profit. I feel bad for the people of Detroit
Man , before watching the video i thought it was a giant crematorium for burning dead humans....the title should have the word Trash incinerator in it instead of just incinerator.
Who incinerates the incinerators?
In Germany, the fumes have to be filtered. Case closed.
Wonder How Meny Employees are Still Alive 😢🧡🇨🇦
They ahould filter the emissions. It burns so hot, over 2000*C, that the emissions are not harmful.
Why couldn't they install re-burners like that are now required on all wood stoves that burn the smoke and filter out toxins.
Didn't mention Body Parts. You know parts came in with the trash. Discover Body Parts & Everything Stops. Nobody wants that headache. What would YOU do? Also, Body Disposal could be a Lucrative Side Hustle.
I'd imagine quite a few bodies went through this incinerator in Detroit.
I love your abandoned videos! Did you know if you incinerate a person with a pacemaker in them still it will explode. Incinerating the morbidly obese is also dangerous because human fat will overheat the unit--and it can explode. Cremation is the best way to dispose of bodies: It is cheapest and not wasting valuable land.
They should have pyrolized the plastic which would have given them a flammable gageous fuel and an oil-like fuel and burned them in a combustion turbine. They should have also taken the food waste, paper, carboard, and wood and put them into a biodigester (which would give the same thing as natural gas) and used that gas to make electricity. That would have greatly lowered emissions and reduced if not eliminated the smell.
I would take it to the armed level of demands at this point... shut it down now!
thought they were going green or something shouldn't these be shut down?
tear it down and build something better, there always talking about a CLEAN AIR PROGRAM, start here? Detroit needs to change , before the country and the people disappear.
Too late it’s a ghost town thanks to politicians
Good Lord...Bob, what have you discovered now??
turn for the worse.....not worst.....worse.........uggghhhhhh, we're doomed.............
I want to see this or hear it run on tik tok Facebook live video streaming
You guys need more light, really dangerous exploring a place like this. Most of these "Waste to Energy" plants never worked and were closed across the country long ago. Hard to control the emissions when you can't control what is in the trash going into the plant. The emissions were the same before the city sold it as they were after they sold it. It only became an issue when the city wasn't involved. Good to shut it down no matter who owns it. Being Detroit, I'm surprised it is being demolished.
Detroit has been reclaiming a lot of land lately. They've cleared many dilapidated houses and commercial properties over the last couple years.
Why are you whispering? Who do you think is gonna hear you?
If i was there I'd be playing the song start up the incinerator (here comes another useless fool) by carpathian forest.
I hope u have a mask on and shield
Grow a pair
And sword😂
At 15:40..... Dam it hey bring me those tool boxes I will pay u ..! Dam I need those lemme come there with my truck and trailer shit....💯
Top place for meth lap.... Cool find..
Big mistake putting it near city they should put that in a place that is not a city
Yikes🙀 Nasty🤢
If people really understood where trash goes when you so call recycle it lol 😆 it's so funny how naive people are
People have no plan as long as they don't see it that's all they care. Trash has to go yet no solution will suit them. Instead of generating power and better scrubbers on the exhaust it now goes into a landfill. Then some other people will then proceed to protest it being there.
Why are you whispering? There's nobody there.
omg had to move. couldnt stand it. you couldnt even eat wth that smell