This is an AWESOME setup! Now that he's tooled up, he can ALSO build these for the new Micro Dual Band Ham Mobile Radios that are now hitting the market. I think this inventor may have very well struck Gold, here! WELL DONE!!!!!
*_Outstanding Job !!!_* I would have them consider putting a 1/8" headphone jack, next to the speaker that interrupts the speaker for silent operation. Super easy add on for stealth operation.
Bruce, we nearly did, and I think we will be incorporating it in as a running change... in the meantime, headphones could be plugged directly into the Midland, and the cable routed out through the mic pocket so the unit could still be in the can. A bit awkward, perhaps, but it would work and only take a few seconds.
Hesitation wasn't the input cost, it was primarily packaging (space) and wanting more time to test and tinker. We have some experience with remoting a 1/8" headphone jack thanks to our original DHAP... getting the right hardware (that reliably connects / disconnects the external speaker) can be fussy. I have been leaning towards a mini rocker switch to manually disconnect the external speaker, which I think will be more robust, but I need to work on lay out.
Hardened Power You are correct with fussy and the rocker idea. I have had problems with dirt getting inside those audio jacks with sw contacts in the past.
Hank, thanks for the fabulous job. Not only on this video, but your consultation throughout design as well. The Operator would be less than it is if not for your ideas and assistance. Nice to team up and see such a refined machine at the first go (well, there were about 7 prototypes, but that is the nature of the beast).
Nice setup. 2 weeks from napkin to functioning product is amazing, along with possible any hang ups worked out like the rocker feature. I like that you guys are using a 3 amp USB charger and its solar capable as well. Everything you pretty much ask for and flexibility to do other stuff as well.
I come from the days of GMRS repeaters, those were great days for light semi-commercial use back in the eighties. Now a ham, I wonder if Hardened power might consider making this in a .50 can and having a larger cutout for adding larger Ham rigs. There are so many sizes out there but keeping a universal sized opening and then fitting a radio specific bezel to hold everything still. They have a CNC setup where they could digitize most any size radio opening and cut it into the universal bezel. I love the HDPE construction of the gear, light, durable, no moisture retention of the materials used. One would only have to remember to set their rig for minimum power since there are no vent openings but one could also remove it from the can and go to higher power, battery permitting.
It took me a few days of reading test questions before I was able to pass the Technician class exam in the US with 100% You will have much better luck on the HAM bands, and when "SHTF" who cares if you're licensed.
Some of the long-time "Old-Timers" frown on any non licensed operators, even in an SHTF scenario. Personally, I would still try to help if I could. However, the Ham Community at large frowns on "Bootleggers", and very likely will NOT render any aid; in fact, they would probably try to Jam the non-licensed Operator or ignore them outright. Out here on the West Coast, there are a group of Operators, some licensed, some not, who had taken over 3860 on the 80 Meter Band. For reason unknown to me, they recently moved down to 3840. So, I just avoid the area from 3830 to 3860 entirely-there is NOTHING they have to say that is of any interest to me. In a SHTF, this problem will be exacerbated by non-hams who might know how to USE the radios, but have NO understanding of on-air procedure; Then end result sounding like 100 truckers on their CBs all talking at once. Experienced Hams are aware of this potential and are very concerned about it.
As you mentioned it is so easy to get a ham license these days. Why do Preppers spend so much energy making up things for this CB type radio thing when they can get their ham license for a lot less money and really have some communication!
Have you considered making them for additional radios? Perhaps, for something like the Yaesu FT-7900 or equivalent? I could see a protective case like that being a very useful addition to many hams go kits.
Dammit😞 I will absolutely be buying one of these either this winter or in the Spring, but now I have to live with knowing it is out there until then. THANKS for the great review of an awesome product
Very nice, would like to see some made for the new Chinese dual band ham rigs, they are about the same size as that radio. Radios like the LEIXEN LX VV-898 and the QYT KT-8900 would be awesome for this. Heck if they could figure out how to make the radio interface configurable to different radios that would be awesome because I really like the looks and features of this set up! Thanks again.
I like this video. But what I really like is the Yaesu FT-2500 co-mounted on the ATV. I personally have owned one for well over 20 years. A tough radio (no cooling fan - the heat sink is huge!) that has the best front end made until the event of SDR.
I have to say, that is a sweet kit. I've had very little interest in gmrs. I'm primarily a qrp ham. But this a very nice all in one kit. I'd love to get my hands on one to review.
Great design! Seems like the ammo can may provide a sufficient faraday cage as well assuming plastic isolated all the components from the can....would be worth testing!
Agreed Iridium242 and Guerrillacomm! The Jetstream 2M/70CM Dual-Band Mobile's dimensions are 4 3/4" x 1 1/2" x 3 3/8". This is only slightly larger than the Midland GMRS Radio. I think that modifying the 3D Printing Program would be easy for Hardened Power Systems to accomplish. If you're reading this HPS, design a modular area where the radio goes where you could insert a different sleeve for different sized radios. This way someone could order the unit with the insert(s) they need for the particular micro radio they have. Or order more than one sleeve if they have multiple radios. You could also design a larger version in a .50 cal can to be used with a crossband repeating Amatuer Radio mobile. Include a larger battery reserve, solar charge controller with a low voltage load disconnect, and possible water resistant external connections for the Coax Cable and Solar Panel Input. A setup like this would work like Guerrillacomm's home brew simplex repeater ammo can. Including enough room inside the can for Argent Data Systems ADS-SR1 Simplex Repeater Box, along with a barrel plug power cord to keep it running, would be the icing on the cake!
LordTime - Bill does read all of these and I'm sure he will comment. All great ideas. I have an ADS-SR1 standing-by right now. I'm just waiting on a response from the FCC (send it the question a week ago) to see if simplex repeating is permitted with in the GMRS. The rules for GMRS only mention duplex repeating and not simplex repeating. I'm hoping to get an answer this week.
timelord... agreed on nearly all points. Most of what you described can be accomplished by stepping up to a 50 cal or fat 50 can. The current Operator, with the Midland, has virtually no available space for a larger radio. There were several times during design that we were tempted to give up and go with a fifty... it is amazing how little 'wasted' space is in the Operator G1. Minor point: The Chassis components in question are CNC machined from HDPE, not 3D printed. Although there are a handful of 3D components in the assembly, some of which you cannot see.
The Fat .50 Can would be the preferred size IMHO. My home brew version that I've been tinkering with needed the extra room of the larger sized can. Especially for the 30AH Battery I shoehorned into it! LOL
That is an awesome design, I just ordered myself a Midland Micro Mobile. Next on my GMRS to do list is the Operator G1. Followed by a simplex repeater on my property, so any videos on GMRS repeaters would helpful.
I also want to hit the next level with the Micro Mobile - Simplex repeating. I have the ADS-SR1 and cable is made, I'm on hold right now waiting for the FCC to respond to my question "is simplex repeating permitted in the GMRS and if so, what channels should be used." I was hoping for an answer last week but the help desk folks said it was still pending with the engineers. I'm hoping to get a response this week.
Hank Another great demo of HPS fine products. I am sure there's a market an the "Operator" to fit the FT817 and KX3 and more. I have been following the HAMPACK design on u-tube, but its not for sale. I know Bill could make it work! Mike
I understand your point about a ham license! but many people still don't know there is no CW or code requirement anymore. and the licensing will give anyone longer distance communications more the ability to get much more radio use and experience in communications. and the entry-level licence technicians class gives more then enough useful frequencies.
Got mine today. Put my MXT115 in my box. FWIW, I also have a MXT400 but do not plan on putting it in a mount box. Too expensive anyway. A couple of things I would like to see changed. 1. A better back side padding (or another strip). There is ONE small strip of foam rubber that doesn't even go from side to side. I plan on fixing this myself. 2. Would also be nice if a ground connection could be affixed to the box allowing grounding of the box so when you mag mount an antenna, you get a nice ground plane. 3. The power supply that Harden power sends is great. But you can't store it, the antenna and mic in the space provided. I tried a few configs that wouldn't require me to pull the radio out every time. No joy. It's a VERY decent setup though. The battery came charged, connections fit fine. The antenna cable is pretty stiff so bending it to not stick out and get in the way of putting the insides back into the can. I affixed the mic holder that came with the MXT115 to the can with it's adhesive. Seems to be strong enough to take a few bumps and stay put but I also have some of the industrial Velcro that I may end up using so I can stow the mic holder on the outside of the can when in use. The cost of this can is reasonable IMO and in no way in my "things I'd like to see" tries to suggest otherwise. Your video helped me decide to go ahead and buy this box. Thanks p.s., you sound like a "radioman". Good procedure. ;-)
Something I did share with them is charging. I finally ran my battery down the other day. So, figured I'd give it a wall charge. Radio off. on/off front panel switch. Off.. MISTAKE! Unless I missed something, I had to turn the switch to ON in order to charge. I assume you have to do this with your solar panel also. The little green lights blink regardless what position the front power switch is set to, but with it off, it won't charge the battery? Is charging instructions listed somewhere that tells me this is NOT the right way?
+Hardened Power Very nice work. Very clean and professional looking, not to mention cool. Like the gentleman above, I'm not into gmrs. I will be looking forward to the FT817 version. Someone else mentioned a version for the Chinese dual band mobiles. Great idea! I don't have one, but something like this would probably get me to buy one just for the cool factor. Neat ideas! 73
I'd be also interested in seeing a FT-817 version too. In addition , I think the SGC SG-2020 would also be perfect for this. Especially with it's 20 watts and it's already rugged look. Hams, this is what a true Go Box should be like. Sometimes hams make Go Boxes that still have to be assembled in the field and then taken apart again after using it instead of having it all mounted, hooked up, self contained and all ready to go. This is the true essence of what a real Go Box really is. Great work Hardened Power and thanks to Commsprepper for the excellent video demonstration about this!.
So far, no issues at all. I would say that keeping the machine out of direct sunlight, if possible, would be prudent. Consider that the Midland radio is meant to be installed inside a vehicle (among other installations). A parked car in the sunlight has no benefit of moving air, and can reach 160 or more degrees inside on a hot summer day.
That would be the perfect setup for a remote 3 meter 70 centimeter rig with the setup for a TNC / notebook for packet, I know that there all sizes of rigs out there but there has to be a way to do it. Thanks for the fantastic video like most of your videos. 73's Dave N6PGG / 7
I so want one of these to fit the 15W version of the radio, the MXT275! Plus, since that radio has a speaker in the mic, no speaker needed in the can, might take cost out of it. Maybe sneak in something else; a headset, bigger battery, who knows? Love this concept but never gonna limit myself to 5W if I don't have to.
Bill, it is hard to say for sure... The Operator is electrically isolated from the can, and a standard ammo can has lapped and welded seams. It should be better than most approaches for EMP mitigation, but I do not make any promises. Too many variables. I hope you understand. ;-)
+ Bill Kost. The gasket used in the ammo can is the weak point for EMP protection. They appear to made of neoprene and mst likely are not electrically conductive. In order to bring it up to a level of better protection one would need to replace the gasket with one that is also electrically conductive and bond it to the lid electrically and physically for moisture resistance. The next issue is the lip of the actual can. It would need to be stripped and plated with a corrosion resistant, electrically conductive coating.
+Subgunman , copper braid with Alligators or other type of connectors could be used to connect the lid to the body of the can so it becomes one piece, electrically speaking of course.
I'm not sure if I missed it, but is there a headset jack on the face plate?? if not that's the only improvement I could suggest. I'm a ham and I really appreciate the effort put into this kit. or a rolled up jpole to place higher a tree.
Tony, I think we will be incorporating it in as a running change... in the meantime, headphones could be plugged directly into the Midland, and the cable routed out through the mic pocket so the unit could still be in the can. A bit awkward, perhaps, but it would work and only take a few seconds. (repeat of my response, above). ;-)
Hank, I am really looking forward to seeing what you are working on. I like the idea of a 'companion can'... another 30 cal, with solar panel, effective antenna, and misc accessories. Our 28 watt panel is ideal for the Operator and it will fit in a 30 cal with room to spare for other needful things... it would be nice to offer a 'bundle' to users.
I have a question, does the Ammo can have an electrically conductive seal to prevent damage from an EMP? If so, where did you get the seal from? Thank you for all the great videos!
I checked out their site and noticed a video from you. Along with the fact you got it first, I'm lead to believe you might have some stroke and pull with these guys. Any chance they could do this for a Baofeng, TYT, Woxung radio?
This is pretty cool. My only complaint is the cost of that Midland GMRS mobile. For about the same price, one can buy a QYT KT-8900, which operates on 2m/MURS/70cm/GMRS and puts out 25 watts on high. It's also about the same size as that Midland.
The drawback to that approach, Aaron, is that preppers should be using their equipment before a SHTF event, so that they're familiar with it. Also for those without a ham license, getting caught with a radio that's not Part 95 compliant would lead to a fine at most, but for a licensed ham, there would be a risk of losing the ham license as well, something most of us are unwilling to risk.
peccatumDei and I agree. It's still legal to own and receive transmissions, just not legal to transmit without proper licensing or type approved equipment. For instance, I own multiple baofeng HTs and a mobile. Doesn't mean I'm transmitting on MURS or GMRS. It's just nice to have that option in case of an extreme emergency.
So, do you keep an extra antenna handy or do you remove the included midland antenna everytime you need to use it? I see it goes inside the can for storage, but appears you have to remove the radio every time you need to use it. Did I miss something? But great video. Was looking at getting the 40watt version of this radio and a "can" but wasn't sure what was out there for it.
I didn't ask the question correctly. My apologizes, but I got my can today and I answered the question. You have to disconnect (at least I do) the antenna every-time if you want to close the lid. My radio is seated as far back and the bungee cord "hook" piece won't let it go back any farther. So, the OEM antenna that comes with the 115, which connected to the radio, will not let you close the lid. The mic stays connected though. No biggie as I have a couple of mobile antennas and one stationary (mounted to the side of my house, 25ft up). Thanks
Do you know who makes a solar panel adapter/connector to plug this into Goal zero solar panels or other panels? Seems the interface on this device isn't the same. as the goal zero, the goal zero's are too big.
Radio you can get on Amazon for 129 bucks. The Operator G1 you get from Hardened Power Systems www.portableuniversalpower.com/our-products/operator-g1/
Is the solar jack a 3.5? Would like to find an adapter from an 8mm Goal Zero solar panel to the 3.5 I'm guessing jack on the Operator. Any suggestions?
Hardened Power is looking at other radio models. The Amateur market is much more diverse than the GMRS market (i.e. the Micro Mobile is the only current production mobile on the market with FCC part 95 certification).
Great Video !!! Would the Operator G1 work with the Midland Micro Mobile GMRS MXT115 (15 watt) radio? I know they make the Scout for more powerful radios (like the MXT400), but the Operator G1 would be even more amazing if it worked with the 15 watt radio.
Range of the radio or distance of the other station in the video? The range of the radio is line-of-sight. On average a few miles. Distance of the station in this video - around 200 yards.
+Commsprepper I guess I was trying to ask if I have my ham license, is there a benefit for me to buy a GMRS? Right now I can't see a benefit for it, but I have been wrong lol.
Hi there, great video! I need some help with radios. I'm looking at Gmrs radios looking for max 50 watts or close to it and be able to control the menus for the mic any suggestions? I subbed today, keep up the great videos
I have a 45 watt radio that would fit that bad boy water tight 8 repeter channels g m r s requires a FCC license but no test and the name of my bad boy is rugged radio sorry thay were built for off road
So... I'm lost. I've done quite some research but I lack the real life experience. I'm in Columbus, Ohio. How far can I expect to transmit with, say, the Micro Mobile 40 watts and a good antenna on my roof? I'm in am urban environment (suburbs) and the nearest repeater is about 20 miles away. Not looking for an accurate number, but an estimate. I understand HAM would be better range wise, but want to explore GMRS.
I would add to your list quality cable and connectors between your radio and antenna (no longer than 50'). With VHF/UHF line of sight is the key between radios (range). If the antennas can see each other then you will be good to go.
Line of sight but power and antenna or the main factors. That is why I like this radio, it has a full five watts and you can put an antenna up (FCC limits that to 20 feet) and really improve your range. This said with external antennas at 20 feet with good cable on relatively flat terrain you should have five miles. My case on the mountain, I'm good for 20 miles.
400 yards. But it's important to remember that UHF (GMRS) is a line-of-site. If I was further away I could have raised the antenna up in the trees for additional height. FCC permits 20' antenna height for GMRS.
That is bad ass ! This would also be safe from an EMP They did a great job on it Idk know why no one else did it before it’s a great idea using a tuff military Can our tax money buys for prob $280 you can get for $20.
Can't say for sure but based on prevailing theory I would feel comfortable say "EMP resistant." This assumes the radio is in a closed can. The EMP weakness would be two things 1). The can not connected to an earth ground. 2) the rubber gasket around the lid. For long-term storage you could use copper tape around a closed lid to help with the "EMP resistance." Again - this is opinion based on theory.
To be EMP proof, the can is good but you would have to make sure no wires touch the can. Do any wires touch? If the object placed in the box is insulated from the inside surface of the box, it will not be affected by the EMP travelling around the outside metal surface of the box.
The Community Europe and China Export marks are very similar. (It's quite likely that China did this intentionally.) Note however, the difference in the spacing between the "C" and the "E". Perhaps Hardened Power Systems was unaware of the difference, and applied the wrong mark by mistake. The European certification certainly makes more sense, given the excellent quality of the products. www.icomuk.co.uk/News_Article/3794/17103/
This is an AWESOME setup! Now that he's tooled up, he can ALSO build these for the new Micro Dual Band Ham Mobile Radios that are now hitting the market. I think this inventor may have very well struck Gold, here!
WELL DONE!!!!!
Bill and his team do great work.
What Class license do you hold? I'm an Extra.
AC7AA
Extra
Fantastic!
*_Outstanding Job !!!_*
I would have them consider putting a 1/8" headphone jack, next to the speaker that interrupts the speaker for silent operation. Super easy add on for stealth operation.
Bruce, we nearly did, and I think we will be incorporating it in as a running change... in the meantime, headphones could be plugged directly into the Midland, and the cable routed out through the mic pocket so the unit could still be in the can. A bit awkward, perhaps, but it would work and only take a few seconds.
Hardened Power Great to hear of your future flexibility; curious why you had hesitation on the $1 part?
Hesitation wasn't the input cost, it was primarily packaging (space) and wanting more time to test and tinker. We have some experience with remoting a 1/8" headphone jack thanks to our original DHAP... getting the right hardware (that reliably connects / disconnects the external speaker) can be fussy. I have been leaning towards a mini rocker switch to manually disconnect the external speaker, which I think will be more robust, but I need to work on lay out.
Hardened Power Sweet !
Hardened Power You are correct with fussy and the rocker idea. I have had problems with dirt getting inside those audio jacks with sw contacts in the past.
Nice set-up. Glad to see Hardened Power back up and going strong!
HPS makes great stuff and the Operator is no different.
Hank, thanks for the fabulous job. Not only on this video, but your consultation throughout design as well. The Operator would be less than it is if not for your ideas and assistance. Nice to team up and see such a refined machine at the first go (well, there were about 7 prototypes, but that is the nature of the beast).
Thanks for your the opportunity!
Just got my operator G1 in and played with some. I’m going to put it to the test this weekend. So far it’s great!!!!!
Thanks for the comment.
Nice product. Would recommend adding a headset option for quieter operation. Also would like to see an FT-857D version.
I think it's in the works.
Received my Operator G1 today. Definitely a quality build. Thanks for the review and demonstration.
Cool! Will you be posting an unboxing? If so, please send me the link. Hank
Nice setup. 2 weeks from napkin to functioning product is amazing, along with possible any hang ups worked out like the rocker feature. I like that you guys are using a 3 amp USB charger and its solar capable as well. Everything you pretty much ask for and flexibility to do other stuff as well.
Oh by the way, I could of used this a few years ago when I deployed my GMRS simplex repeater in the field. lol .Again nice job.
Thanks! It has been a great opportunity to collaborate with Hardened Power Systems.
I come from the days of GMRS repeaters, those were great days for light semi-commercial use back in the eighties. Now a ham, I wonder if Hardened power might consider making this in a .50 can and having a larger cutout for adding larger Ham rigs. There are so many sizes out there but keeping a universal sized opening and then fitting a radio specific bezel to hold everything still. They have a CNC setup where they could digitize most any size radio opening and cut it into the universal bezel. I love the HDPE construction of the gear, light, durable, no moisture retention of the materials used. One would only have to remember to set their rig for minimum power since there are no vent openings but one could also remove it from the can and go to higher power, battery permitting.
............now thats slick. Very nice. Great design and very well thought out.
Thank you and thank you for taking the time to comment. Hank
That is one of the coolest products I have ever seen for GMRS! I will be adding this to my radio gear ASAP! Thanks for sharing!
You will love it. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
It took me a few days of reading test questions before I was able to pass the Technician class exam in the US with 100% You will have much better luck on the HAM bands, and when "SHTF" who cares if you're licensed.
Some of the long-time "Old-Timers" frown on any non licensed operators, even in an SHTF scenario. Personally, I would still try to help if I could. However, the Ham Community at large frowns on "Bootleggers", and very likely will NOT render any aid; in fact, they would probably try to Jam the non-licensed Operator or ignore them outright. Out here on the West Coast, there are a group of Operators, some licensed, some not, who had taken over 3860 on the 80 Meter Band. For reason unknown to me, they recently moved down to 3840. So, I just avoid the area from 3830 to 3860 entirely-there is NOTHING they have to say that is of any interest to me.
In a SHTF, this problem will be exacerbated by non-hams who might know how to USE the radios, but have NO understanding of on-air procedure; Then end result sounding like 100 truckers on their CBs all talking at once. Experienced Hams are aware of this potential and are very concerned about it.
As you mentioned it is so easy to get a ham license these days. Why do Preppers spend so much energy making up things for this CB type radio thing when they can get their ham license for a lot less money and really have some communication!
@@JimN5QL - LOL!
there i a license for G M R S 35.00 and no test needed
Great concept and really good implementation. The design work that's gone into that is first class.
Bill and his team make great stuff.
Thank you! ;-) Good CAD software, CNC machines, 3D printers, and an understanding wife make it possible.
Have you considered making them for additional radios? Perhaps, for something like the Yaesu FT-7900 or equivalent?
I could see a protective case like that being a very useful addition to many hams go kits.
Good to see the full outlay of the set up all makes perfect sense now. That is definitely something to think about getting.
Operator G2 is in development for Amateur units.
To say I am impressed is an understatement. I think that will be next months purchase.
Thanks for the comment and channel support.
Holy hand grenades!! That is a beautiful looking unit. So neat and tidy!
Dammit😞 I will absolutely be buying one of these either this winter or in the Spring, but now I have to live with knowing it is out there until then. THANKS for the great review of an awesome product
Thanks for the comment and channel support.
Outstanding review and demo. I really like this unit!
JJ Thanks! It's the first review type video I have done. Of course it had to rain all day.
Commsprepper Yeah I battle with mother nature a lot too. But ya did great!
Great unit and great video. Can't wait for the FT-857 version!
You will have to talk to Hardened Power.
Sweet, Very nice emergency communications set up for the GMRS groups.. Thumbs up to you and HPS. Many blessing from N1TZU...Bob.
Thanks for the support Bob. Hank
this is one of them best go boxes I've see well done
I agree
Very nice, would like to see some made for the new Chinese dual band ham rigs, they are about the same size as that radio. Radios like the LEIXEN LX VV-898 and the QYT KT-8900 would be awesome for this. Heck if they could figure out how to make the radio interface configurable to different radios that would be awesome because I really like the looks and features of this set up! Thanks again.
I like this video. But what I really like is the Yaesu FT-2500 co-mounted on the ATV. I personally have owned one for well over 20 years. A tough radio (no cooling fan - the heat sink is huge!) that has the best front end made until the event of SDR.
Thanks.
Just ordered the operator 115...can’t wait to get it operational.
Cool. I think you will like it.
Ohhh. I like the front power poles. I could my hf rig and charge the internal battery through there. Well thought out.
The now have the Scout G1 designed for Amateur equipment that pulls more than 5 watts. Checkout Hardened Power Systems website.
Very nice little setup, we will be buying these! Thanks for the info.
I have to say, that is a sweet kit. I've had very little interest in gmrs. I'm primarily a qrp ham. But this a very nice all in one kit. I'd love to get my hands on one to review.
Hardened Power now has the Scout for ham radio.
Great design! Seems like the ammo can may provide a sufficient faraday cage as well assuming plastic isolated all the components from the can....would be worth testing!
Yes. The internal components ARE isolated from the can. All screws and fasteners are counter-sunk and no metal touches the interior of the can.
Agreed Iridium242 and Guerrillacomm!
The Jetstream 2M/70CM Dual-Band Mobile's dimensions are 4 3/4" x 1 1/2" x 3 3/8". This is only slightly larger than the Midland GMRS Radio. I think that modifying the 3D Printing Program would be easy for Hardened Power Systems to accomplish.
If you're reading this HPS, design a modular area where the radio goes where you could insert a different sleeve for different sized radios. This way someone could order the unit with the insert(s) they need for the particular micro radio they have. Or order more than one sleeve if they have multiple radios.
You could also design a larger version in a .50 cal can to be used with a crossband repeating Amatuer Radio mobile. Include a larger battery reserve, solar charge controller with a low voltage load disconnect, and possible water resistant external connections for the Coax Cable and Solar Panel Input. A setup like this would work like Guerrillacomm's home brew simplex repeater ammo can. Including enough room inside the can for Argent Data Systems ADS-SR1 Simplex Repeater Box, along with a barrel plug power cord to keep it running, would be the icing on the cake!
LordTime - Bill does read all of these and I'm sure he will comment. All great ideas. I have an ADS-SR1 standing-by right now. I'm just waiting on a response from the FCC (send it the question a week ago) to see if simplex repeating is permitted with in the GMRS. The rules for GMRS only mention duplex repeating and not simplex repeating. I'm hoping to get an answer this week.
timelord... agreed on nearly all points. Most of what you described can be accomplished by stepping up to a 50 cal or fat 50 can. The current Operator, with the Midland, has virtually no available space for a larger radio. There were several times during design that we were tempted to give up and go with a fifty... it is amazing how little 'wasted' space is in the Operator G1.
Minor point: The Chassis components in question are CNC machined from HDPE, not 3D printed. Although there are a handful of 3D components in the assembly, some of which you cannot see.
The Fat .50 Can would be the preferred size IMHO. My home brew version that I've been tinkering with needed the extra room of the larger sized can. Especially for the 30AH Battery I shoehorned into it! LOL
Outstanding!!! Bravo Hank, HPS!
Thank you! Bill and his folks did a great job.
I still wonder if they will be making a unit for the Midland MXT 400
They have the Scout G1 for larger radios.
That is an awesome design, I just ordered myself a Midland Micro Mobile. Next on my GMRS to do list is the Operator G1. Followed by a simplex repeater on my property, so any videos on GMRS repeaters would helpful.
I also want to hit the next level with the Micro Mobile - Simplex repeating. I have the ADS-SR1 and cable is made, I'm on hold right now waiting for the FCC to respond to my question "is simplex repeating permitted in the GMRS and if so, what channels should be used." I was hoping for an answer last week but the help desk folks said it was still pending with the engineers. I'm hoping to get a response this week.
Hank
Another great demo of HPS fine products. I am sure there's a market an the "Operator" to fit the FT817 and KX3 and more. I have been following the HAMPACK design on u-tube, but its not for sale. I know Bill could make it work!
Mike
Bill and his team are looking at other radio models. The Operator G1 (generation 1) I suspect will not be the only item in the product line.
I understand your point about a ham license! but many people still don't know there is no CW or code requirement anymore. and the licensing will give anyone longer distance communications more the ability to get much more radio use and experience in communications. and the entry-level licence technicians class gives more then enough useful frequencies.
Think you would also have a interest for people with not only the Yeasu Ft 817, but also for the FT 857
I would love to see this for the FT 857 as well
817 is coming soon - real soon.
Slick and very well thought out. Thanks for sharing !
Thanks for watching, commenting and supporting the channel.
Got mine today. Put my MXT115 in my box. FWIW, I also have a MXT400 but do not plan on putting it in a mount box. Too expensive anyway.
A couple of things I would like to see changed.
1. A better back side padding (or another strip). There is ONE small strip of foam rubber that doesn't even go from side to side. I plan on fixing this myself.
2. Would also be nice if a ground connection could be affixed to the box allowing grounding of the box so when you mag mount an antenna, you get a nice ground plane.
3. The power supply that Harden power sends is great. But you can't store it, the antenna and mic in the space provided. I tried a few configs that wouldn't require me to pull the radio out every time. No joy.
It's a VERY decent setup though. The battery came charged, connections fit fine. The antenna cable is pretty stiff so bending it to not stick out and get in the way of putting the insides back into the can. I affixed the mic holder that came with the MXT115 to the can with it's adhesive. Seems to be strong enough to take a few bumps and stay put but I also have some of the industrial Velcro that I may end up using so I can stow the mic holder on the outside of the can when in use. The cost of this can is reasonable IMO and in no way in my "things I'd like to see" tries to suggest otherwise.
Your video helped me decide to go ahead and buy this box. Thanks
p.s., you sound like a "radioman". Good procedure. ;-)
Thanks for the comment. Product suggestions should be shared with Hardened Power.
Something I did share with them is charging. I finally ran my battery down the other day. So, figured I'd give it a wall charge. Radio off. on/off front panel switch. Off.. MISTAKE! Unless I missed something, I had to turn the switch to ON in order to charge. I assume you have to do this with your solar panel also. The little green lights blink regardless what position the front power switch is set to, but with it off, it won't charge the battery? Is charging instructions listed somewhere that tells me this is NOT the right way?
great presentation and demonstration.
Glad you liked it.
well as usual, another great item from HP. to bad I'm not a GMRS user so I would like to see one for the FT817.... maybe....
We are working on it... ;-) There are some packaging and technical challenges to doing it right, Thanks for waiting & 73!
+Hardened Power Very nice work. Very clean and professional looking, not to mention cool. Like the gentleman above, I'm not into gmrs. I will be looking forward to the FT817 version. Someone else mentioned a version for the Chinese dual band mobiles. Great idea! I don't have one, but something like this would probably get me to buy one just for the cool factor. Neat ideas! 73
I'd be also interested in seeing a FT-817 version too. In addition , I think the SGC SG-2020 would also be perfect for this. Especially with it's 20 watts and it's already rugged look.
Hams, this is what a true Go Box should be like.
Sometimes hams make Go Boxes that still have to be assembled in the field and then taken apart again after using it instead of having it all mounted, hooked up, self contained and all ready to go.
This is the true essence of what a real Go Box really is. Great work Hardened Power and thanks to Commsprepper for the excellent video demonstration about this!.
DM, wow, thanks for the praise. I just read it to one of our bench techs and I think he started to blush! Seriously, thanks.
I, too, would like to see an option for the 817.
Great use of a 3D printer! How's heat dissipation from within ammo box after prolonged use? Is that a problem at all?
So far, no issues at all. I would say that keeping the machine out of direct sunlight, if possible, would be prudent. Consider that the Midland radio is meant to be installed inside a vehicle (among other installations). A parked car in the sunlight has no benefit of moving air, and can reach 160 or more degrees inside on a hot summer day.
+KG5 Radio thank you for the info. I missed the rate reduction last may from 90$ back down to $65.
I did not know that either. I paid the 90... thats how it works - thanks for sharing.
That would be the perfect setup for a remote 3 meter 70 centimeter rig with the setup for a TNC / notebook for packet, I know that there all sizes of rigs out there but there has to be a way to do it.
Thanks for the fantastic video like most of your videos.
73's Dave N6PGG / 7
I know - there is all sorts of cool things that can be done with these cans and radios. I suspect you will see more like these from Bill and his team.
Wow! Awesome review of an impressive product. Well done.
Thanks.
How does this only have 16,000 hits? Total gear porn, and I dig it.
I have a small channel but great subs.
I so want one of these to fit the 15W version of the radio, the MXT275! Plus, since that radio has a speaker in the mic, no speaker needed in the can, might take cost out of it. Maybe sneak in something else; a headset, bigger battery, who knows? Love this concept but never gonna limit myself to 5W if I don't have to.
You have to check with Hardened Power Systems - they make the units.
Very slick rig. I like it!
Thanks.
Cool! Wonder if hardened power systems is going to make a slight redesign to accommodate the mxt115? That way you'll have repeater capability.
The space is not there in the Operator G1. However, they do fit in the Scout G1.
You need a flat surface to put that antenna on. That lid is blocking some of your signal because of the raised flanges. Copy? :-/
I will turn it over next time. Thanks for the tip.
Neat. I assume, when stowed in the can, it would be EMP Proof. Thanks for the info provided by your channel.
Bill, it is hard to say for sure... The Operator is electrically isolated from the can, and a standard ammo can has lapped and welded seams. It should be better than most approaches for EMP mitigation, but I do not make any promises. Too many variables. I hope you understand. ;-)
+ Bill Kost. The gasket used in the ammo can is the weak point for EMP protection. They appear to made of neoprene and mst likely are not electrically conductive. In order to bring it up to a level of better protection one would need to replace the gasket with one that is also electrically conductive and bond it to the lid electrically and physically for moisture resistance. The next issue is the lip of the actual can. It would need to be stripped and plated with a corrosion resistant, electrically conductive coating.
Thanks for the info.
+Subgunman , copper braid with Alligators or other type of connectors could be used to connect the lid to the body of the can so it becomes one piece, electrically speaking of course.
I'm not sure if I missed it, but is there a headset jack on the face plate?? if not that's the only improvement I could suggest. I'm a ham and I really appreciate the effort put into this kit. or a rolled up jpole to place higher a tree.
I know that had been discussed. I am working with someone else on a pocket antenna for this unit - more to follow.
Tony, I think we will be incorporating it in as a running change... in the meantime, headphones could be plugged directly into the Midland, and the cable routed out through the mic pocket so the unit could still be in the can. A bit awkward, perhaps, but it would work and only take a few seconds. (repeat of my response, above). ;-)
Hank, I am really looking forward to seeing what you are working on. I like the idea of a 'companion can'... another 30 cal, with solar panel, effective antenna, and misc accessories. Our 28 watt panel is ideal for the Operator and it will fit in a 30 cal with room to spare for other needful things... it would be nice to offer a 'bundle' to users.
This was a great video, keep them coming
Thanks
Very nice. I'll have to get 1 when I get the money. How well will that work for in home with the antenna inside house?
They work very well. Line of sight on the antennas is key.
I have a mag mount on a file cabinet it works grate I am line of site to 1 of 6 repeter's near me
I have a question, does the Ammo can have an electrically conductive seal to prevent damage from an EMP? If so, where did you get the seal from? Thank you for all the great videos!
No. The can has a rubber gasket for waterproofing.
Are these Midland Micro mobile radios preprogrammed, or do you have to program them yourself?
pre-programed.
Nice. This video is going to make me get my games license and setup you have. Thanks.
Having comms is a good thing. Feel free to ask questions here if you need help getting the license.
I checked out their site and noticed a video from you. Along with the fact you got it first, I'm lead to believe you might have some stroke and pull with these guys. Any chance they could do this for a Baofeng, TYT, Woxung radio?
I have to refer you to Hardened Power Systems on this topic. I do not feature or endorse any of these brands on the channel.
This is pretty cool. My only complaint is the cost of that Midland GMRS mobile. For about the same price, one can buy a QYT KT-8900, which operates on 2m/MURS/70cm/GMRS and puts out 25 watts on high. It's also about the same size as that Midland.
Are the radios you are talking about FCC Part 95 accepted?
Commsprepper I don't think so. But as I mentioned in the other video reply, in a SHTF scenario, I doubt anyone would be worried about that.
The drawback to that approach, Aaron, is that preppers should be using their equipment before a SHTF event, so that they're familiar with it. Also for those without a ham license, getting caught with a radio that's not Part 95 compliant would lead to a fine at most, but for a licensed ham, there would be a risk of losing the ham license as well, something most of us are unwilling to risk.
peccatumDei and I agree. It's still legal to own and receive transmissions, just not legal to transmit without proper licensing or type approved equipment. For instance, I own multiple baofeng HTs and a mobile. Doesn't mean I'm transmitting on MURS or GMRS. It's just nice to have that option in case of an extreme emergency.
Aaron D anybody can transmit during a life and death situation . on any radio service .
So, do you keep an extra antenna handy or do you remove the included midland antenna everytime you need to use it? I see it goes inside the can for storage, but appears you have to remove the radio every time you need to use it. Did I miss something?
But great video. Was looking at getting the 40watt version of this radio and a "can" but wasn't sure what was out there for it.
I have several antennas that I use. I normally leave the OEM antenna in the can.
I didn't ask the question correctly. My apologizes, but I got my can today and I answered the question. You have to disconnect (at least I do) the antenna every-time if you want to close the lid. My radio is seated as far back and the bungee cord "hook" piece won't let it go back any farther. So, the OEM antenna that comes with the 115, which connected to the radio, will not let you close the lid. The mic stays connected though. No biggie as I have a couple of mobile antennas and one stationary (mounted to the side of my house, 25ft up). Thanks
Do you know who makes a solar panel adapter/connector to plug this into Goal zero solar panels or other panels? Seems the interface on this device isn't the same. as the goal zero, the goal zero's are too big.
does the price include the radio??? and I agree a headphone jack would be handy !!
Radio is sold (bought) separately.
How do I order one
Radio you can get on Amazon for 129 bucks. The Operator G1 you get from Hardened Power Systems www.portableuniversalpower.com/our-products/operator-g1/
Great video! Reminds me of the old manpack radios.
That's the point :-) Man packs worked and GMRS can work too!
Is the solar jack a 3.5? Would like to find an adapter from an 8mm Goal Zero solar panel to the 3.5 I'm guessing jack on the Operator. Any suggestions?
I am not sure. I don't have the unit with me. Call Hardended Power Systems they can tell you.
Awesome little package, have you talked to Hardpowers about other radios Yaseu and Icon
Hardened Power is looking at other radio models. The Amateur market is much more diverse than the GMRS market (i.e. the Micro Mobile is the only current production mobile on the market with FCC part 95 certification).
what's the difference in price between the ammo can and the regular unit?
Very nice, what is the battery life average?
Around 8 hours with a conservative duty-cycle between RX and TX.
Great Video !!! Would the Operator G1 work with the Midland Micro Mobile GMRS MXT115 (15 watt) radio? I know they make the Scout for more powerful radios (like the MXT400), but the Operator G1 would be even more amazing if it worked with the 15 watt radio.
You would have to ask Hardened Power Systems.
It looks look and I'm looking into it. I do have a question; what was the range of the demo in the video?
Thanks
Range of the radio or distance of the other station in the video? The range of the radio is line-of-sight. On average a few miles. Distance of the station in this video - around 200 yards.
Okay thanks. Just the info I was looking for.
Great job! Where do you plug the wall outlet into the operator 1 to recharge the battery? Thank hou
There is a DC port on the front panel.
How long will that battery last with the unit on?
That looks good.
Thank you.
I get a 404 error page cannot be found for the operator link.
Wow, do you have this set up for the Midland mxt400 micromobile as well.
This is not my product. You need to visit Harden Power Systems website. They now have several products like this for many radios.
Must have...for my setup this will be perfect .
It's a cool product. I will be beating it up again today in the field.
Thanks for the awesome video
Very impressive.
Thank you.
Can you just order the inside housing? I already have a battery and ammo can
I don't know. You will need to check with Hardened Power Systems - they are the ones selling them.
inspirator!!!!, congratulations!!
This is AWESOME!!! Thanks for sharing.
It's a great little unit!
Commsprepper Hey there my friend, I sent you a PM. When you get a chance, check it out.
I currently have a ham radio license. Is there a need for me to get a GMRS license?
Yes. You will need to login at the FCC ULS site and apply for a new license (ZA) General Mobile Radio Service.
+Commsprepper I guess I was trying to ask if I have my ham license, is there a benefit for me to buy a GMRS? Right now I can't see a benefit for it, but I have been wrong lol.
yes there are guys with both ham and G M R S license my 45 watt base does 20 miles
Wooow desing lewell 1000 nice 😍
thanks.
So we get everything to build the radio “kit?”
It's not a kit. You do need your own radio.
@@Commsprepper whoa glad I asked
Hi there, great video! I need some help with radios. I'm looking at Gmrs radios looking for max 50 watts or close to it and be able to control the menus for the mic any suggestions? I subbed today, keep up the great videos
Midland has the MTX 400 - close to what you are looking for.
I have a 45 watt radio that would fit that bad boy water tight 8 repeter channels g m r s requires a FCC license but no test and the name of my bad boy is rugged radio sorry thay were built for off road
So... I'm lost. I've done quite some research but I lack the real life experience. I'm in Columbus, Ohio. How far can I expect to transmit with, say, the Micro Mobile 40 watts and a good antenna on my roof? I'm in am urban environment (suburbs) and the nearest repeater is about 20 miles away.
Not looking for an accurate number, but an estimate. I understand HAM would be better range wise, but want to explore GMRS.
I would add to your list quality cable and connectors between your radio and antenna (no longer than 50'). With VHF/UHF line of sight is the key between radios (range). If the antennas can see each other then you will be good to go.
and the G M R S license requires no test and cover the hole family on like ham you should reach it
What kind of range can you expect out of this?
Line of sight but power and antenna or the main factors. That is why I like this radio, it has a full five watts and you can put an antenna up (FCC limits that to 20 feet) and really improve your range. This said with external antennas at 20 feet with good cable on relatively flat terrain you should have five miles. My case on the mountain, I'm good for 20 miles.
How far were you away from base when you checked in?
400 yards. But it's important to remember that UHF (GMRS) is a line-of-site. If I was further away I could have raised the antenna up in the trees for additional height. FCC permits 20' antenna height for GMRS.
Made in the USA goes a long way with me...
This would be perfect for the Yaesu FT-857.
They make a unit called the scout that accommodates larger radios.
That is bad ass ! This would also be safe from an EMP They did a great job on it Idk know why no one else did it before it’s a great idea using a tuff military Can our tax money buys for prob $280 you can get for $20.
Thanks for the comment and channel support.
How much are they selling for I have the radio
Not sure anymore. Best to cost their website for the most current price.
Awesome
Is it EMP proof?
Can't say for sure but based on prevailing theory I would feel comfortable say "EMP resistant." This assumes the radio is in a closed can. The EMP weakness would be two things 1). The can not connected to an earth ground. 2) the rubber gasket around the lid. For long-term storage you could use copper tape around a closed lid to help with the "EMP resistance." Again - this is opinion based on theory.
To be EMP proof, the can is good but you would have to make sure no wires touch the can. Do any wires touch? If the object placed in the box is insulated from the inside surface of the box, it will not be affected by the EMP travelling around the outside metal surface of the box.
can you use it with the mxt275
No. The frame is too small for that radio. However, Hardened Power does have similar products in their line with larger radio slots.
One thing that has me scratching my head a bit, is the China Export logo on the face plate.
Do you mean the European Union (Community Europe) certification label?
The Community Europe and China Export marks are very similar. (It's quite likely that China did this intentionally.) Note however, the difference in the spacing between the "C" and the "E". Perhaps Hardened Power Systems was unaware of the difference, and applied the wrong mark by mistake. The European certification certainly makes more sense, given the excellent quality of the products.
www.icomuk.co.uk/News_Article/3794/17103/
ham radios are from China my radio parts are from there also but the radio is built state side
its a pricey setup but its beautiful BUT it should be fitted to a radio more worthy such as a QYT KT8900
would be nice if some one took this design and 3d modeled it so we can just print them out at home
Not sure that would hold up - maybe ABS plastic?
@@Commsprepper it would last I've printed all kinds of things.....PLA Is pretty tough
What were they thinking giving their product the same name as the person using it? They really should just call it the G1
Don't know.
perfect!!!
Thanks. Bill and his team did a great job with this design.
Better off using an APX 8500 mobile. Run AES encryption over p25.
Would be but 1) that's some very expensive equipment and 2) P25 or encryption are not permitted in the GMRS.
Super military pack :-) real good.
They make nice stuff.
nice !!
Thank you.
Nice...!!!!!.
Thanks
So $200 for the box $150 ish with shiping fo the radio and $95 for the license.
Perhaps a class on step by step on getting the license fron the FCC
To get a license you can obtain an FRN from the FCC. Alternatively, you can print out the form online and mail it in to the FCC
Do you mean make a video on how to get a GMRS license?