The Rig Doctor collaborates with fellow rig builder, Brad Bartosz of Best-Tronics, to build Marbin guitarist, Dani Rabin's, new pedalboard rig. Best-Tronics has been in the business since 1973 when Brad's grandfather started the company. SUBSCRIBE: ua-cam.com/users/vertexeffectsinc For more information on having Best-Tronics build your next rig, email Best-Tronics at: rigs@best-tronics.com To get on the waitlist for the production Vertex Pedalboards and hinged risers click here: vertexeffects.com/subscribe //materials used on this rig - sold by Best-Tronics// Patch Cable, BTPA CA-0678 - btpa.com/ca-0678.html SquarePlugs SP400 1/4" Plugs - btpa.com/sp400.html SquarePlugs SPS4 1/4" Plugs - btpa.com/sps4.html TRS Cable, BTPA CA-0363 - btpa.com/ca-0363.html R/A TRS connectors - btpa.com/sp550-s.html Short/Straight TRS 1/4" Plugs - btpa.com/mc-3641m.html DC Power Cable, BTPA CA-0671 - btpa.com/ca-0671.html DC Power Plugs R/A 2.1 x 5.5mm - btpa.com/mc-1304.html DC Power Plugs Straight 2.1 x 5.5mm - btpa.com/mc-1525.html 3M Dual Lock - btpa.com/SS-0308.html Lexan Wah Plate - btpa.com/standard-wah-riser.html Lexan Vol Pedal Plate - btpa.com/dunlop-volume-dvp3-riser.html //pre-made cables// Pedalboard Patch Cables SP400 (right/right) - www.btpa.com/P01MM-II.html Pedalboard Patch Cables SPS4 (straight/straight) - btpa.com/p04am-ii.html Pedalboard Patch Cables SPS4 (right to straight) - btpa.com/P04CM-II.html DC Power Cables (right to right) - btpa.com/POWER7-III.html DC Power Cables (right to straight) - btpa.com/POWER6-III.html
@@VertexEffectsInc Sorry doc had the wrong nomenclature (I bought the board from someone else). So on amazon its listed as PT-CL2-SC 24"x 12.5". I believe the cl refers to classic (ie the rail spacing). Pedal train if i left that out , I was probably too excited when i was typing.
Ghuraba Dota No, because these have a pitch, our systems are designed for a flat surface, however we may come out with some that are for this application at some point in the future
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks alot doc.I was thinking to fabricate the risers and add the hinges like ive seen you guys have so even though it's angular it will open and close angularly might result in an increase in size but the functionality is what i'm looking at. Can't wait to see what application you guys come up with you have yourself a guranteed customer here. I followed your advice with buffering and I'm using a tc polytune 3 with the integerated bona fide buffer at the start of my effects Drives etc a stand alone bonafide as well just before the cable to the front of the amp combined with one bonafide on the return of the fx loop amazing tip the sound is so different and really sounds like my guitar into the amp thanks alot rig doctor you are the man !!
The Pedalboard saves a lot, one thing to note is that the Schmidt Array board is a case as well, where we were just showing the board, without the case. But even so in the Pelican Air case it only added about 12 lbs. and you can fly with it as checked luggage. I don’t think you can do that reliably with the Schmidt, because if the case is damaged the case is also the pedalboard, so they have an intertwined fate if anything is damaged in transit.
I have 1 big board made for me by Dave Friedman, all soldered and it’s great, dead silent and great tone. However I have 2 other boards I made with George L cabling and they sound great also.
You may be able to have a certain condition where they are workable, but it doesn’t mean that they’re going to last forever, or even at the connections are that good, they just haven’t been disrupted to the point to cause failure.
all comes down to how well you build initially, and how much you mess with them afterwards! soldered joints fail too. solderless are far more vulnerable when they're constantly getting stress, ie. plugging and unplugging. I've got George L's patches that are 20 years old....
The only thing I was upset about and it always upsets me is when a company put something together to show it off and are so proud of it but they're afraid to put the price of how much it cost to do it which means they're embarrassed of how much they're charging for the work it just makes sense to me that if you're proud of your stuff you should be proud to put the price up so people can have an idea of what it's going to cost to hook up 14 pedals to one of the rig doctors boards I don't mean the price of all the pedals and stuff that's irrelevant but have somebody set up all the cables and all the work and solder it do all that how much are we talking for two days work
I suppose you could always email them for the price if you're wondering about it. I don't see this as a common practice generally of any company building things on UA-cam unless the explicit outcome of the video is to show something based on a budget.
Lord help em if a pedal or the switcher fails. You have to perform surgery to get it off the board. Just a little over kill. They act like the metal box with the lid on it is rocket science,holy shiot. Yeah, the "rig doctor" is proud of that riser. I could teach a monkey to solder.
Ha! Brad is awesome. He's helped me with lots of stuff on my board over the years. Very cool to put a face to the name. Best-Tronics is indeed the best. I wasn't spending a ton of money in the big scheme of things (maybe a bit over a grand over several years) but he always responded to my emails and took care of me. Now I wouldn't suggest abusing him like I did but I do suggest getting your pedalboard gear through them. Their solderless patch cables are bad ass. What a great video!!!
AMAZING work as always... Best-Tronics is killing it! One thing. Why did you guys put the Nyle comp in a spot where the boost feature is completely unaccessible? Why not swap the T-Drive with the Nyle?
Danny said that he doesn’t change the settings on it or alternate between the two different sides, originally if you look in the early part of the video I had it situated outside of the riser, but he wanted it on the inside because he likes to swap out the T Drive for fuzz sometimes
@@VertexEffectsInc If he never messes with it I get it. Still seem like having the option would be nice. That T-Drive seem like it's much more a set and "forget" pedal? Maybe not?
Awesome vid! I actually just bought a second set of solderless patch cables from Best-Tronics. Rig Doc, I know you recommend not to use solderless but I don't plan on playing live anytime soon or move my pedalboard around too much. So hopefully I am good for a while. Cheers!
I believe Mission Control for the first NASA Moon Mission used less cables than this board. XD What an awesome piece of kit - impressive indeed! And even though I'm gonna guess that this is one of those "if you gotta ask how much you can't afford it" kinda things, any chance we could get a total ballpark figure for this entire project?
I left an email link in the description regarding inquiries for Best-Tronics, they provided all of the materials, and Brad and I split the labor about 30/70 with his team absorbing the majority of the workload. I was mostly there for documentation, doing some of the more complex wiring, soldering in certain places, and helping with the programming in interphase routing box. I think they charge a fair and reasonable hourly rate plus the cost of materials.
@@VertexEffectsInc Mason: thanks a ton. Much appreciate the reply. On reflection, it was kind of inappropriate for me to ask for even ballpark pricing here on such a public forum. My bad....thanks again for the info and I'm sure you did a bit more than you mention. :)
@@joesatchton212 I think it's a fair question. I don't really do this stuff for a living as I said in the video, which is part of why I did this video with Best-Tronics so folks could get a good sense of who does great work around the country. I'm sure it's a easy enough email to get a ballpark estimate from Best-Tronics and Brad. No harm done!
Greetings awesome job with the pedalboard build. I would like to know if the guys at BTs can build a board for me, I been looking for someone who is in the area. Pls let me know thanks
I bet you the majority of that weight lost was simply by dropping that old heavy plywood pedal board. Personally I never understood why those boards became so popular. AND they have zero shock support either. MUCH better what you made for him Mason.
That’s correct, the board is very heavy, and would require its own case if it were to realistically travel internationally and checked baggage. I can understand the space saving concepts with the hinge, and also the popularity of it amongst other UA-cam channels that are very prominent. However, from a practical standpoint I don’t know that it meets the weight criteria that most pros require.
Incredible workmanship, amazing attention to detail and next level stuff. What about fault finding? I thought this when Rhett Shull had to just forego his board completely because he didn't have time to diagnose a jack that had come loose. Did the complex board contribute to that? I remember John Mayer at the o2 London recently. His 2nd guitarist had a problem with his board and at the break the tech had cables/pedals everywhere trying to sort - which he managed under the time pressure. He was able to simply rip everything apart easily. Could you do that kind of work with such a locked down board? Are such highly engineered boards a double edged sword? Beautiful to look and robust but when they go wrong are they a horror show? (Invariably they go at the worst moment) I'm not a touring musician but, personally, I'd rather have a board I can get at the bits and bobs to work on should I have to but, honestly, what would I know. Sorry for the long rambling, been thinking about this from watching a few board builds from different people. Not being a dick or troll - honest questions/thoughts.
I agreed, it is a double edged sword. But the idea is that you overbuild it to the degree that it almost can't fail I guess. And also I would expect any touring musician to carry some sort of backup. There are so many affordable, compact all-in-one solutions like the HX Stomp nowadays that'll get you through the gig in a pinch.
Pat, firstly, thanks for watching! I hope we've earned your subscription! 1) On Rhett's rig, I think even had it been less compact with everything visible, in a panic, we're all likely to get derailed no matter how consequential the problem is or not. On Rhett's rig at least, the issue wasn't due to workmanship or a failure, but rather an jack that was unplugged by TSA that wasn't put back into place. 2) It's a compromise. You can go overboard on neatness and have issues if it's not done right which makes troubleshooting hard. However, if the rig is really done by a pro that understands the likely issues and has a system and method behind that, I think it's better than leaving a scattering of cables on the board. I think there are two work arounds that are pretty easy to eliminate these sorts of issues. First, use a switcher to isolate the pedals, makes it easy to trouble shoot as every loop can be bypassed and limits the places you need to look for during a problem. Second, if you do track a problem to a loop, you just bypass the cable with a new one until you can manage it. If Loop 2 has an issue, just run a new patch cable from the send and return. If that doesn't work, it's the pedal or the hardware in the switcher itself. Often, technicians on these big tours have more guitar centric skills, and aren't electrically inclined to the degree of an amp technician - meaning they can struggle too with troubleshooting something methodically just as anyone else would that's not trained for it. If I'm building the board, and I've worked with both David Ryan Harris and Isaiah Sharkey (John Mayer's two other guitarists), I would opt for a clean rig with a switcher, and having something like our riser so that there is easy access to all pedals, and if done by someone like me, Best-Tronics or others, typical failures would not be the hardware, but rather stuff with the pedals, footswitches, etc. but the Switcher makes that easy to diagnose quickly. The bottom line is that guys can spend a lot of time making things looks nice, if you're using solderless cables, and things like that, you're going to increase the probability of a failure. Also, these guys (like the sidemen for Mayer), are yanking stuff on/off the boards all the time to try new gear during sound checks, which if the board is not built to do that will stress the cables, especially if they're solderless, and can cause failures over time. Often, and I'm speaking from experience of being on the stage and rehearsals four times during the "Search for Everything" tour, that most of these rigs are conceptualized during sound check and morph as the tour goes on. If there were a more concerted effort to build into the rig the modularity needed, it wouldn't' have to be a mess of cables in order to make it easy to change, troubleshoot, or modify. Thanks for the comment!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the detailed reply and taking the time - much appreciated. Thanks also for appreciating I was coming from a curiosity angle and not simply being an Internet Arse. It was actually Isaiah Sharkey who had the problem at the o2. I suppose what you're describing is the next level thinking needed for top level pros requirements. Lets hope TSA don't get their hands on this rig ;) Thanks again
That shouldn’t be a problem, we’re still trying to figure out pricing, cases, etc., but by the spring we should have a pretty well-established product line with various accessories, including the hinged risers.
I'm looking at that red jack plugged into the guitar @ 26:00 and wondering "what's that red jack he's using?" as if I don't have a Neutrik Silent Jack sticking out of my guitar as we speak 🤣🤣🤣
We have a few custom/proprietary mixes of epoxy from our Fiber Optic Department. One of them crosses over to work perfectly on our DC power cables. Glue gun should work the same!
Vertex Effects he’s so gold with recalling that one! What a player! Already downloaded Alabama Sock Party so we’ll see where that takes me! Thanks for putting such a great musician in the spotlight!
There is a phenomenon with the Strymon pedals, when you turn them on and set them to completely 100% dry and then you turn them on and off you could hear some differences in how the dry tone is impacted. Secondly they are not always favorable in an effects loop, and often will not respond as well as they do at instrument level. The combination of those two things had us searching for products that meet the needs for Dani, both sonically with the A/D/A conversion as well as the effects loop impedance and the fact that he was only using one or two presents per Strymon pedal.
Even so, that doesn’t qualify if there wouldn’t be some differences in how the processing works, and even with all things being equal, and saying for now that there was no difference on and off, the impedance is still an issue with many effects loops, as I believe these products are optimized for instrument level, presumably being used in front of an amplifier.
Vertex Effects impedance and line/instrument level are different things no? But yeah many of these “super devices” have a hard time with true line level. I’ve heard good stuff about the Boss 500-series in that regard, Friedman likes them in an fx loop.
#BTPA or Vertex, is this pedalboard orderable from anywhere? Looks like a nice lightweight design and I'd be interested. And to be CLEAR, yes Brad and Company are the best and offer amazing customer service
Looks great! Only thing that I noticed was the “snake” going across the top of the pedal under the riser looked like it was going to interfere with one knob. Otherwise, this board is too clean. And the weight is so insane!
The knobs have a grommet under it so it's pretty hard to move - but even so, the idea is that the loom needs to flow freely to reduce strain, and it can be tucked in next to the pedal (as there is enough slack to do so). If we secured it with a adhesive mounting base, it would have restricted the movement and ultimately have caused a failure over time. Believe me - we considered all possible ways to route the loom to the top row in the most trouble free way to ensure the longevity of the rig - this was the most logical outcome.
We will definitely still use them, however we have a lot of customers that are asking for a production board, so for the common sizes that we would use most often, having a physical product makes more sense. GOMC is more of a custom shop, so the demands in output for something that is more static is not really part of their long-term business model. I still love their boards and will still get them from them in the cases that the standardize sizes will not work.
What you see in this video is all custom made as a part of our upcoming line of Pedalboard products, and risers. If you’re looking for some of the risers that we’ve used in the past, those all come from Fix Pedalboards , and you can buy those on their website, link in the description.
I gotta go with Paul Rivera . The rigs he built in the 70s and 80s he was the go to guy in LA. I just happen to have an 83 Twin Reverb 2 which came stock with all the Mods built into the amp. I totally love this amp.
Mason, those clear plates underneath the wah pedals at 6:00...did they replace the original wah bottom plate? The same screws were used or longer ones? Thanks for the tips!
I think the original was left there...I don't recall as this was Best Tronics upgrade - I don't do this on the rigs I build. Longer screws were required.
Fun build, and learned some things at the same time. Love these build videos, thanks! Has Rhett called you yet asking to upgrade his board with that new trick riser?
I think it’s the 1615 air case or 1650, I forget, but the size of the pedalboard is 14” x 28”, and you can compare what the internal dimensions are on those cases.
Way too much mutual ass-kissing going on here. I need a shower now. How and why Mason seems to get decent and reasonable people to associate with him will always be beyond my comprehension level. Out!
How and why people feel the need to be that hateful on the internet will always be over my comprehension level. First thing in the video I noticed, he admitted his mistake. Always a great sign of a good person. Fuck off your negative doomer ass outta here
@@AntonovichHicksenbrau Thanks for the life advice, Mom. :))) Hucksters and shills abound on youtube. It's a lifestyle choice now. I can call out it out when I see it's inflamed head pop up, :))
Great! Love “Nuage” and the rest of the gypsy influence! And the cameo by the Petite Bouche > Eastman? I play a Bob Holo. AND a Kemper! We are so lucky to play such a versatile instrument.
I’m pretty sure they actually use the exact same cables you’re just buying different connectors, however I don’t recommend going the solderless route if you can help it
Vertex Effects I ordered the solderless kits before I knew about the SP400 and SP4 connectors (2014-15). That said for pedalboards that are well built and wires all tie wrapped with plenty of stress relief I had no trouble with the 3 solderless kits I ordered. The wires for the wilderness and soldered connectors are not the same.
My brother built himself a new one and gave it to me and all my pedals fit on it exactly perfect like it was custom built for me. I could t believe it.
@@VertexEffectsInc Yeh, 15kg, I suppose it's what you are used to. All relative but considering how much you have on there it's pretty good. I'm a less is best guy when it comes to pedals, compact and light.
I have to call you up on the measurements of the old pedalboard weight. Not believing how heavy you claim it was. And you should compare weight of both boards ready for transport.
Hey Miguel! Thanks for watching. You're right, the weight of the new board wasn't in context of a case, so not apples to apples, but follow me on this...we added a significant number of cables, so even in a the Pelican Air Case, it's still going to be less than the Schmidt, close, but still less with several more pedals, and big pedals in the volume pedal and wah at that. Secondly, you can't check a Schmidt without risking damage on an airline. Even shipping them in an improperly packed box can result in damage, so you'd really need a case, for your case if you're thinking of checking your Schmidt board with regularity, where the Pelican with any normal pedalboard would be sufficient for checking with little to no risk. That's all to say, that I think if weight is a concern, mechanics of the two boards withstanding, I think you're still much lighter weight going with an alternative to the Schmidt boards as cool as they are.
To answer the question first asked I am. My pedalboard is so far perfect. Cause it's what I wanted and it was a blast to buy each piece and then assemble. It might not be perfect for anybody else, but No one else's either. I might change something someday but for now it's awesome!
It’s a fantastic board! FOH engineer, I noticed you were so excited you forgot to route your jack through through your strap :P I notice the little things lol you sounds really good btw
Amazing board and first class build but why did you guys put those goofy white labels on everything? Black labels with white lettering makes a much cleaner and more professional appearance. A nit picky point maybe but to this obsessively compulsed guitar picker a major flaw. 🤨
I asked Best-Tronics the same thing, this is what they normally stock and they prefer the durability of the labels they have, which are some sort of acrylic. I’m not sure how these compare to the Brother P-touch label’s that I would normally use in black, but I didn’t feel like this was worth in the amount of energy to contest since it’s not serving any functional purpose.
The consensus for touring artists and techs we do this for (we use the same labels on rack panels, etc.) was that the white with black is easier to read on stage.
Vertex Effects All righty then. Consider me appropriately chastised. But I’m a weekend warrior with a much simpler board and the black suits me fine. Thanks for all the tips and tricks Mason!
Are you fucking kidding me?! I lost it when he left that thing up. I definity wondered why the switcher for so few pedals for 5 minutes, and why the riser that high? :O That is SO brilliant. The simplest things, man...
Too bad there is no rig builder out there (yet) that insists on what order to place effects. Oh I can hear the peanut gallery screaming now, blah blah blah, I don't want to hear it, there is only one best way to arrange pedals for a given amp! :)
The Rig Doctor collaborates with fellow rig builder, Brad Bartosz of Best-Tronics, to build Marbin guitarist, Dani Rabin's, new pedalboard rig. Best-Tronics has been in the business since 1973 when Brad's grandfather started the company. SUBSCRIBE: ua-cam.com/users/vertexeffectsinc
For more information on having Best-Tronics build your next rig, email Best-Tronics at: rigs@best-tronics.com
To get on the waitlist for the production Vertex Pedalboards and hinged risers click here: vertexeffects.com/subscribe
//materials used on this rig - sold by Best-Tronics//
Patch Cable, BTPA CA-0678 - btpa.com/ca-0678.html
SquarePlugs SP400 1/4" Plugs - btpa.com/sp400.html
SquarePlugs SPS4 1/4" Plugs - btpa.com/sps4.html
TRS Cable, BTPA CA-0363 - btpa.com/ca-0363.html
R/A TRS connectors - btpa.com/sp550-s.html
Short/Straight TRS 1/4" Plugs - btpa.com/mc-3641m.html
DC Power Cable, BTPA CA-0671 - btpa.com/ca-0671.html
DC Power Plugs R/A 2.1 x 5.5mm - btpa.com/mc-1304.html
DC Power Plugs Straight 2.1 x 5.5mm - btpa.com/mc-1525.html
3M Dual Lock - btpa.com/SS-0308.html
Lexan Wah Plate - btpa.com/standard-wah-riser.html
Lexan Vol Pedal Plate - btpa.com/dunlop-volume-dvp3-riser.html
//pre-made cables//
Pedalboard Patch Cables SP400 (right/right) - www.btpa.com/P01MM-II.html
Pedalboard Patch Cables SPS4 (straight/straight) - btpa.com/p04am-ii.html
Pedalboard Patch Cables SPS4 (right to straight) - btpa.com/P04CM-II.html
DC Power Cables (right to right) - btpa.com/POWER7-III.html
DC Power Cables (right to straight) - btpa.com/POWER6-III.html
hey rig doctor is it possible to add that riser with the hinge to a pedal classic? to create a tiered system? thanks alot for any answer,
Ghuraba Dota I don’t know what a pedal classic is… Can you explain
@@VertexEffectsInc Sorry doc had the wrong nomenclature (I bought the board from someone else). So on amazon its listed as PT-CL2-SC 24"x 12.5". I believe the cl refers to classic (ie the rail spacing). Pedal train if i left that out , I was probably too excited when i was typing.
Ghuraba Dota No, because these have a pitch, our systems are designed for a flat surface, however we may come out with some that are for this application at some point in the future
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks alot doc.I was thinking to fabricate the risers and add the hinges like ive seen you guys have so even though it's angular it will open and close angularly might result in an increase in size but the functionality is what i'm looking at. Can't wait to see what application you guys come up with you have yourself a guranteed customer here. I followed your advice with buffering and I'm using a tc polytune 3 with the integerated bona fide buffer at the start of my effects Drives etc a stand alone bonafide as well just before the cable to the front of the amp combined with one bonafide on the return of the fx loop amazing tip the sound is so different and really sounds like my guitar into the amp thanks alot rig doctor you are the man !!
Oh my goodness! Rig sounds great. And i can’t believe how light it all is! I need to re do mine!
The Pedalboard saves a lot, one thing to note is that the Schmidt Array board is a case as well, where we were just showing the board, without the case. But even so in the Pelican Air case it only added about 12 lbs. and you can fly with it as checked luggage. I don’t think you can do that reliably with the Schmidt, because if the case is damaged the case is also the pedalboard, so they have an intertwined fate if anything is damaged in transit.
I have 1 big board made for me by Dave Friedman, all soldered and it’s great, dead silent and great tone. However I have 2 other boards I made with George L cabling and they sound great also.
You may be able to have a certain condition where they are workable, but it doesn’t mean that they’re going to last forever, or even at the connections are that good, they just haven’t been disrupted to the point to cause failure.
all comes down to how well you build initially, and how much you mess with them afterwards!
soldered joints fail too.
solderless are far more vulnerable when they're constantly getting stress, ie. plugging and unplugging.
I've got George L's patches that are 20 years old....
I value a good soldering job cause I'm pretty much shite on the soldering subject lol
PS didn't know the band, i just loved their music, thanks!
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Marbin is amazing!
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The only thing I was upset about and it always upsets me is when a company put something together to show it off and are so proud of it but they're afraid to put the price of how much it cost to do it which means they're embarrassed of how much they're charging for the work it just makes sense to me that if you're proud of your stuff you should be proud to put the price up so people can have an idea of what it's going to cost to hook up 14 pedals to one of the rig doctors boards I don't mean the price of all the pedals and stuff that's irrelevant but have somebody set up all the cables and all the work and solder it do all that how much are we talking for two days work
I suppose you could always email them for the price if you're wondering about it. I don't see this as a common practice generally of any company building things on UA-cam unless the explicit outcome of the video is to show something based on a budget.
Lord help em if a pedal or the switcher fails. You have to perform surgery to get it off the board. Just a little over kill. They act like the metal box with the lid on it is rocket science,holy shiot. Yeah, the "rig doctor" is proud of that riser. I could teach a monkey to solder.
Could you imagine if guitar gear wasn't a decade behind consumer electronics.
I’d say even more than that 😂😂😂
Ha! Brad is awesome. He's helped me with lots of stuff on my board over the years. Very cool to put a face to the name. Best-Tronics is indeed the best. I wasn't spending a ton of money in the big scheme of things (maybe a bit over a grand over several years) but he always responded to my emails and took care of me. Now I wouldn't suggest abusing him like I did but I do suggest getting your pedalboard gear through them. Their solderless patch cables are bad ass. What a great video!!!
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09:20 Hey Mason when are you going to show us how to make that Interface with the Effects Loop option?
We didn’t have time to shoot a detailed video about it when I was on the premises, I will be sure to do one as quickly as possible
What's the story with the hinged riser? How do we find it/when will it be available?
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The best rig builder it’s me 😀😂😃
There you have it
AMAZING work as always... Best-Tronics is killing it! One thing. Why did you guys put the Nyle comp in a spot where the boost feature is completely unaccessible? Why not swap the T-Drive with the Nyle?
Thank you!!
Danny said that he doesn’t change the settings on it or alternate between the two different sides, originally if you look in the early part of the video I had it situated outside of the riser, but he wanted it on the inside because he likes to swap out the T Drive for fuzz sometimes
@@VertexEffectsInc If he never messes with it I get it. Still seem like having the option would be nice. That T-Drive seem like it's much more a set and "forget" pedal? Maybe not?
Jacob Petersen I am with you, my instinct is to always put do a foot switch effects in a place that’s accessible
Awesome vid! I actually just bought a second set of solderless patch cables from Best-Tronics. Rig Doc, I know you recommend not to use solderless but I don't plan on playing live anytime soon or move my pedalboard around too much. So hopefully I am good for a while. Cheers!
Thanks for watching! The good thing is that you could always use the best Tronics cable to solder with if you wanted to convert in the future.
I believe Mission Control for the first NASA Moon Mission used less cables than this board. XD What an awesome piece of kit - impressive indeed! And even though I'm gonna guess that this is one of those "if you gotta ask how much you can't afford it" kinda things, any chance we could get a total ballpark figure for this entire project?
I left an email link in the description regarding inquiries for Best-Tronics, they provided all of the materials, and Brad and I split the labor about 30/70 with his team absorbing the majority of the workload. I was mostly there for documentation, doing some of the more complex wiring, soldering in certain places, and helping with the programming in interphase routing box. I think they charge a fair and reasonable hourly rate plus the cost of materials.
@@VertexEffectsInc Mason: thanks a ton. Much appreciate the reply. On reflection, it was kind of inappropriate for me to ask for even ballpark pricing here on such a public forum. My bad....thanks again for the info and I'm sure you did a bit more than you mention. :)
@@joesatchton212 I think it's a fair question. I don't really do this stuff for a living as I said in the video, which is part of why I did this video with Best-Tronics so folks could get a good sense of who does great work around the country. I'm sure it's a easy enough email to get a ballpark estimate from Best-Tronics and Brad. No harm done!
Really fantastic player and rig, I cant believe the weight loss n pedal increase, outstanding
Thanks for watching!
Awesome stuff... when will Vertex pedalboard be available to the public?
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That lift is pretty cool, now u gotta paint it like a car. lol
Maybe add a locking feature on the hinge door for travel?
The hinge does lock, there are two open holes with PEM nuts that can be locked from the side toward the front of the riser where the opening begins.
Dani is an insanely good player. Marbin is incredible. Check them out if they are in your area. Really cool guys, too.
best of the best! Love Marbin!
Does the Tone vacuum have tone suck?
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Greetings awesome job with the pedalboard build. I would like to know if the guys at BTs can build a board for me, I been looking for someone who is in the area. Pls let me know thanks
They can build it for you, I put their links in the description and email/contact info!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks RD I appreciate it.
i just checked out the band Marbin. Holy smokes the band is fantastic! thank you! Dani Rabin is a phenomenal tasteful player.
They got the stuff for sure! SOOOOO good!
Daniel,the GigRig
I bet you the majority of that weight lost was simply by dropping that old heavy plywood pedal board. Personally I never understood why those boards became so popular. AND they have zero shock support either. MUCH better what you made for him Mason.
That’s correct, the board is very heavy, and would require its own case if it were to realistically travel internationally and checked baggage. I can understand the space saving concepts with the hinge, and also the popularity of it amongst other UA-cam channels that are very prominent. However, from a practical standpoint I don’t know that it meets the weight criteria that most pros require.
@@VertexEffectsInc Agree on all counts.
L.A. Sound Design would be a good one to check out too!
I don't think he'd do a collaboration. Some rig builders are more protective about their process than others.
Incredible workmanship, amazing attention to detail and next level stuff.
What about fault finding? I thought this when Rhett Shull had to just forego his board completely because he didn't have time to diagnose a jack that had come loose. Did the complex board contribute to that?
I remember John Mayer at the o2 London recently. His 2nd guitarist had a problem with his board and at the break the tech had cables/pedals everywhere trying to sort - which he managed under the time pressure. He was able to simply rip everything apart easily. Could you do that kind of work with such a locked down board?
Are such highly engineered boards a double edged sword? Beautiful to look and robust but when they go wrong are they a horror show? (Invariably they go at the worst moment)
I'm not a touring musician but, personally, I'd rather have a board I can get at the bits and bobs to work on should I have to but, honestly, what would I know.
Sorry for the long rambling, been thinking about this from watching a few board builds from different people. Not being a dick or troll - honest questions/thoughts.
I agreed, it is a double edged sword. But the idea is that you overbuild it to the degree that it almost can't fail I guess. And also I would expect any touring musician to carry some sort of backup. There are so many affordable, compact all-in-one solutions like the HX Stomp nowadays that'll get you through the gig in a pinch.
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1) On Rhett's rig, I think even had it been less compact with everything visible, in a panic, we're all likely to get derailed no matter how consequential the problem is or not. On Rhett's rig at least, the issue wasn't due to workmanship or a failure, but rather an jack that was unplugged by TSA that wasn't put back into place.
2) It's a compromise. You can go overboard on neatness and have issues if it's not done right which makes troubleshooting hard. However, if the rig is really done by a pro that understands the likely issues and has a system and method behind that, I think it's better than leaving a scattering of cables on the board. I think there are two work arounds that are pretty easy to eliminate these sorts of issues. First, use a switcher to isolate the pedals, makes it easy to trouble shoot as every loop can be bypassed and limits the places you need to look for during a problem. Second, if you do track a problem to a loop, you just bypass the cable with a new one until you can manage it. If Loop 2 has an issue, just run a new patch cable from the send and return. If that doesn't work, it's the pedal or the hardware in the switcher itself. Often, technicians on these big tours have more guitar centric skills, and aren't electrically inclined to the degree of an amp technician - meaning they can struggle too with troubleshooting something methodically just as anyone else would that's not trained for it.
If I'm building the board, and I've worked with both David Ryan Harris and Isaiah Sharkey (John Mayer's two other guitarists), I would opt for a clean rig with a switcher, and having something like our riser so that there is easy access to all pedals, and if done by someone like me, Best-Tronics or others, typical failures would not be the hardware, but rather stuff with the pedals, footswitches, etc. but the Switcher makes that easy to diagnose quickly.
The bottom line is that guys can spend a lot of time making things looks nice, if you're using solderless cables, and things like that, you're going to increase the probability of a failure. Also, these guys (like the sidemen for Mayer), are yanking stuff on/off the boards all the time to try new gear during sound checks, which if the board is not built to do that will stress the cables, especially if they're solderless, and can cause failures over time.
Often, and I'm speaking from experience of being on the stage and rehearsals four times during the "Search for Everything" tour, that most of these rigs are conceptualized during sound check and morph as the tour goes on. If there were a more concerted effort to build into the rig the modularity needed, it wouldn't' have to be a mess of cables in order to make it easy to change, troubleshoot, or modify.
Thanks for the comment!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the detailed reply and taking the time - much appreciated. Thanks also for appreciating I was coming from a curiosity angle and not simply being an Internet Arse.
It was actually Isaiah Sharkey who had the problem at the o2.
I suppose what you're describing is the next level thinking needed for top level pros requirements.
Lets hope TSA don't get their hands on this rig ;)
Thanks again
@@mssqlguy - stay tuned for the next episode of the Rig Dr. You might be seeing Isaiah make a cameo appearance ;)
Vertex Effects Oh hell yes, he was amazing 👍
The "rig doctor" has never made a board that nice, sorry. Never made a solder joint like that neither. Nice work.
Will I be able to buy the lift separately when it’s available?
That shouldn’t be a problem, we’re still trying to figure out pricing, cases, etc., but by the spring we should have a pretty well-established product line with various accessories, including the hinged risers.
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I'm looking at that red jack plugged into the guitar @ 26:00 and wondering "what's that red jack he's using?" as if I don't have a Neutrik Silent Jack sticking out of my guitar as we speak 🤣🤣🤣
Huh?
That's a Neutrik Silent Plug
My brother built a pedalboard pretty close to this one. It was made out of wood though. He made it like 10 yrs ago.
👍👍👍 thanks for watching
Tell him I said to step up to Pedal Train and Dual Lock.
Dani is awesome, great player and person. All the best
Isaac Lausell 🙏🙏🙏
Do you know what kind of epoxy was used for the power cables? Would a hot glue gun do the same?
Yep
We have a few custom/proprietary mixes of epoxy from our Fiber Optic Department. One of them crosses over to work perfectly on our DC power cables. Glue gun should work the same!
It's great to see you're sharing work with bestronics. Even though it's business. Way to go.. god bless you Mason..
Thanks for watching!
@@VertexEffectsInc how much do they charge for building a board like this?
24:28 “The Grand Duel” from Kill Bill 🤺🔥🔥
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Vertex Effects he’s so gold with recalling that one! What a player! Already downloaded Alabama Sock Party so we’ll see where that takes me! Thanks for putting such a great musician in the spotlight!
@@jonbarwick5946 yea man! Check out their stuff on Bandcamp, so much amazing stuff. Dani has amazing tones throughout!
How does Claudia do it with those nails???
20 years of experience and über dexterity ;)
Vertex Effects That’s why Fender, Seymour Duncan, et. al., hire women to do the detailed work!
Didn’t know that
I need one of those boards and hinged risers!!!
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Solid work!
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Thanks man!!!
That Vertex board looks amazing. Unfortunately Shipping to my side of the world on pedal boards is basically the price of the board usually.
Where’s that?
@@VertexEffectsInc I'm between Dubai, UAE and Bahrain.
@@playmoreguitar5393 probably around $80-100 I would estimate for shipping.
@@VertexEffectsInc I'll keep that in mind, looking forward to the final product. Such a good design!
why did he ditch the Strymon Pedals from his previous board, for the TC delay and Fender/Boss reverb etc?
There is a phenomenon with the Strymon pedals, when you turn them on and set them to completely 100% dry and then you turn them on and off you could hear some differences in how the dry tone is impacted. Secondly they are not always favorable in an effects loop, and often will not respond as well as they do at instrument level. The combination of those two things had us searching for products that meet the needs for Dani, both sonically with the A/D/A conversion as well as the effects loop impedance and the fact that he was only using one or two presents per Strymon pedal.
@@VertexEffectsInc well, that's just not true is it? Strymon Timeline has a 100% analoge dry path, the mobius doesn't because it's a modulation pedal.
Even so, that doesn’t qualify if there wouldn’t be some differences in how the processing works, and even with all things being equal, and saying for now that there was no difference on and off, the impedance is still an issue with many effects loops, as I believe these products are optimized for instrument level, presumably being used in front of an amplifier.
Vertex Effects impedance and line/instrument level are different things no? But yeah many of these “super devices” have a hard time with true line level. I’ve heard good stuff about the Boss 500-series in that regard, Friedman likes them in an fx loop.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks rig Doctor!
Amazing vid! Amazing job! Amazing tones! Amazing playing! Always such a pleasure the Vertex youtube channel...
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#BTPA or Vertex, is this pedalboard orderable from anywhere? Looks like a nice lightweight design and I'd be interested. And to be CLEAR, yes Brad and Company are the best and offer amazing customer service
yes, our website vertexeffects.com/store
Marbin came to MDC a couple of years agai. They’re absolutely the best guys and an amazing band
They’re amazing! Such an amazing band, especially love their live performances!
Looks great! Only thing that I noticed was the “snake” going across the top of the pedal under the riser looked like it was going to interfere with one knob.
Otherwise, this board is too clean. And the weight is so insane!
The knobs have a grommet under it so it's pretty hard to move - but even so, the idea is that the loom needs to flow freely to reduce strain, and it can be tucked in next to the pedal (as there is enough slack to do so). If we secured it with a adhesive mounting base, it would have restricted the movement and ultimately have caused a failure over time. Believe me - we considered all possible ways to route the loom to the top row in the most trouble free way to ensure the longevity of the rig - this was the most logical outcome.
Great company, looks like they make some great stuff. Made in the USA!
Yessir! Thanks for watching!
So with these new boards, are you no longer going to use the GOMC custom pedalboards as the base for build projects going forward?
We will definitely still use them, however we have a lot of customers that are asking for a production board, so for the common sizes that we would use most often, having a physical product makes more sense. GOMC is more of a custom shop, so the demands in output for something that is more static is not really part of their long-term business model. I still love their boards and will still get them from them in the cases that the standardize sizes will not work.
Yoooo Pelican-friendly Vertex board sounds *fantastic*. Why aluminum?
Would you rather them be a different composition? This is the latest versus the strength, it’s painted with a non-conductive epoxy-based paint.
Love this
Found a new band too
Yes indeed
Phew! That guy can PLAY!
Yessir! Definitely check out Marbin!
Nice! Looks like everything one would need. You guys really know your stuff.
Thanks for watching!
Where do these sheet metal risers and platforms even come from, is that fabricated or bought from a supplier?
What you see in this video is all custom made as a part of our upcoming line of Pedalboard products, and risers. If you’re looking for some of the risers that we’ve used in the past, those all come from Fix Pedalboards , and you can buy those on their website, link in the description.
I think my Korg NuVibe would full up the whole space under the riser.
Very true, but we didn't have to worry about that here.
I gotta go with Paul Rivera . The rigs he built in the 70s and 80s he was the go to guy in LA. I just happen to have an 83 Twin Reverb 2 which came stock with all the Mods built into the amp. I totally love this amp.
Woo boy I’m early
Thanks for watching!
Mason, those clear plates underneath the wah pedals at 6:00...did they replace the original wah bottom plate? The same screws were used or longer ones? Thanks for the tips!
I think the original was left there...I don't recall as this was Best Tronics upgrade - I don't do this on the rigs I build. Longer screws were required.
@@VertexEffectsInc Is that something they cut themselves or is it a sellable item? Also, do you have any alternatives for a hack like this?
Can you make a video about how to make a interface. Like the 'blackbox' in the video.
I need a interface and i want to build one.
Yessir...meant to get it done for this video, just didn't have time! Will post soon!
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks it will help alot. Love your content!
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@@VertexEffectsInc yes i subbed along time ago.
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How can I get a Best-Tronics shirt like that!
True story, my mom made it for me as a one off for christmas.... hahaha
Fun build, and learned some things at the same time. Love these build videos, thanks! Has Rhett called you yet asking to upgrade his board with that new trick riser?
Great video, learnt a lot, but please, do something about the camera work! I was getting motion sickness halfway through. 😂🤣😂
Curious what pelican case that board is made for? Also, when are they gonna be available??
I think it’s the 1615 air case or 1650, I forget, but the size of the pedalboard is 14” x 28”, and you can compare what the internal dimensions are on those cases.
Pedalboards will be available this spring
Vertex Effects Yes!! I’m looking forward to them!
@@dustinmbox me too!!!
How did Brad mount the switching system to the board?
Dual Lock
Unless I missed it in the audio or written description, I’d like to know what switcher/looper you used.
RJM PBC 10
Vertex Effects, Boy it has an impressive set of specs!
Yes indeed, the Rolls Royce of switchers
Sounds like "Chester Lester" with a Whammy bar.
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He's a heck of a player, opened for Holdsworth for years and Scott Henderson on a few tours!
Brad is doing gods work.
hahaha well thank you
Yesssir!
What? No modulation?
Lorenz Grünewald-Schukalla illegal
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Lorenz Grünewald-Schukalla 🤣🤣🤣
Way too much mutual ass-kissing going on here. I need a shower now.
How and why Mason seems to get decent and reasonable people to associate with him will always be beyond my comprehension level. Out!
How and why people feel the need to be that hateful on the internet will always be over my comprehension level. First thing in the video I noticed, he admitted his mistake. Always a great sign of a good person. Fuck off your negative doomer ass outta here
Move on if it bothers you,…
@@AntonovichHicksenbrau Thanks for the life advice, Mom. :)))
Hucksters and shills abound on youtube. It's a lifestyle choice now. I can call out it out when I see it's inflamed head pop up, :))
Great! Love “Nuage” and the rest of the gypsy influence! And the cameo by the Petite Bouche > Eastman? I play a Bob Holo.
AND a Kemper! We are so lucky to play such a versatile instrument.
Thanks for watching!
THE O'REN ISHII ANIMATED BIT AT 24:24
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nice!
Man I live 15 minutes from Tinley park!! Wonder if they build boards for any guitar players?????
They do!
My dude-I need a Vertex hinged pedalboard! #Delicious
So... when do the pedalboards and shelves go on sale? Lol.
Getting ready to launch them for the spring, be sure to sign up in the link in the description so you can stay up-to-date
Vertex Effects awesome will do. Can’t wait!
@@wheresallthezombies me too...they really turned out great!
Well if he can pronounce 'solder' that'd be a major improvement. 😂😂😂
You must not have learned about the "silent D" in phonics....
Cool build - sweet tone - awesome playing! Cheers :)
Dani is the best! Such a great player!
How much do yall usually charge for this kind of service :O
You'd have to email Best Tronics, not sure of their rates.
Sonic doula made me like so harddddd
Brad’s been giving birth to great tone for a decade!
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Yeah Brad!!!
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Best Tronics makes some good solder less cable too
I’m pretty sure they actually use the exact same cables you’re just buying different connectors, however I don’t recommend going the solderless route if you can help it
Vertex Effects I ordered the solderless kits before I knew about the SP400 and SP4 connectors (2014-15). That said for pedalboards that are well built and wires all tie wrapped with plenty of stress relief I had no trouble with the 3 solderless kits I ordered.
The wires for the wilderness and soldered connectors are not the same.
@@VertexEffectsInc I'm pretty sure they're not using mogami.
@@edwinpringle7342 We use our own cable, which is used on this board. The CA-0678 cable
How much is the labor cost for all these custom boards? or /hr ?
You'll have to email Brad about that, I don't know what they charge.
Super nice.
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My brother built himself a new one and gave it to me and all my pedals fit on it exactly perfect like it was custom built for me. I could t believe it.
what about a buffer?
There are three programmable in the RJM and one in the Vertex boost before the preamp section of the amp
@@VertexEffectsInc tanks man
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What does it weigh?
See 20:16
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks, should have watched all of it.. :)
Freakin heavy then!
Not really...are you looking at the before or after weight?
@@VertexEffectsInc Yeh, 15kg, I suppose it's what you are used to. All relative but considering how much you have on there it's pretty good. I'm a less is best guy when it comes to pedals, compact and light.
I challenge anybody to finds a pedalboard with that many pedals that’s lower in weight
I want to know more about that special potting epoxy.
For what application?
@@VertexEffectsInc 8:39 - for potting the DC cable connectors.
@@jimgrill I disagree with this practice. You can't fix anything that's been epoxied. It's like a QuickSet JB Weld.
When are your pedalboards gonna be available
Soon, maybe April?
Vertex Effects Awesome! How’s the weight compared to let’s a say a GOMC traditional « sandwich » laminate+mdf+laminate pedalboard?
Vertex Effects so it’s April and am anxious for the new riser! I have money 💰 haha
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I have to call you up on the measurements of the old pedalboard weight. Not believing how heavy you claim it was. And you should compare weight of both boards ready for transport.
Hey Miguel! Thanks for watching. You're right, the weight of the new board wasn't in context of a case, so not apples to apples, but follow me on this...we added a significant number of cables, so even in a the Pelican Air Case, it's still going to be less than the Schmidt, close, but still less with several more pedals, and big pedals in the volume pedal and wah at that. Secondly, you can't check a Schmidt without risking damage on an airline. Even shipping them in an improperly packed box can result in damage, so you'd really need a case, for your case if you're thinking of checking your Schmidt board with regularity, where the Pelican with any normal pedalboard would be sufficient for checking with little to no risk. That's all to say, that I think if weight is a concern, mechanics of the two boards withstanding, I think you're still much lighter weight going with an alternative to the Schmidt boards as cool as they are.
To answer the question first asked I am. My pedalboard is so far perfect. Cause it's what I wanted and it was a blast to buy each piece and then assemble. It might not be perfect for anybody else, but No one else's either. I might change something someday but for now it's awesome!
It’s a fantastic board! FOH engineer, I noticed you were so excited you forgot to route your jack through through your strap :P I notice the little things lol you sounds really good btw
This is cringe
Undoubtly thé best builder is you mason with no compromise my friend
Thank you Domi! Looking forward to seeing you in France!
Amazing board and first class build but why did you guys put those goofy white labels on everything? Black labels with white lettering makes a much cleaner and more professional appearance. A nit picky point maybe but to this obsessively compulsed guitar picker a major flaw. 🤨
Dre Batista Excellent point.
I asked Best-Tronics the same thing, this is what they normally stock and they prefer the durability of the labels they have, which are some sort of acrylic. I’m not sure how these compare to the Brother P-touch label’s that I would normally use in black, but I didn’t feel like this was worth in the amount of energy to contest since it’s not serving any functional purpose.
The consensus for touring artists and techs we do this for (we use the same labels on rack panels, etc.) was that the white with black is easier to read on stage.
@@BTPA_USA Bam! That answers that, function over form!
Vertex Effects All righty then. Consider me appropriately chastised. But I’m a weekend warrior with a much simpler board and the black suits me fine. Thanks for all the tips and tricks Mason!
what buffers are in the black box?
The buffers are in the RJM, the interface is all passive.
Are you fucking kidding me?! I lost it when he left that thing up. I definity wondered why the switcher for so few pedals for 5 minutes, and why the riser that high? :O That is SO brilliant. The simplest things, man...
I swear if you guys start using different colors cable sleeves for labeling I’m quitting
Too bad there is no rig builder out there (yet) that insists on what order to place effects. Oh I can hear the peanut gallery screaming now, blah blah blah, I don't want to hear it, there is only one best way to arrange pedals for a given amp! :)
I don't suspect you'll see that as this is all a matter of taste not a right/wrong answer.