Thank you for this, me and my wife did this and pay attention to all your videos and thanks again. We did it!! We were able to take it out of timing put a new water pump and put it in timing again. Much appreciate it your videos are super helpful
@Boosted Films - Subbed and liked the video. I was in the midst of doing my 06 sohc Lancer and came across this. The engine layout for all belts and pulleys was identical except for the second overhead cam gear. I managed to follow your steps and get it done extremely quickly. Runs like a dream now! Thank you so much!
@@BoostedFilms Hey boosted films, i have a question for you sir. So i can not run the balance shaft belt and not have to buy the delete kit? Want to make sure cus if i can not run it and not have to buy the delte kit, thats just convenient!
Paul, great video, man. Twas' a good way to begin my Monday morning at work. I actually do not think I have any questions at the moment because you covered it so well. I will say that I do not look forward to doing this with the engine in vehicle - fortunately, my Evo only has 41k miles on it. Thanks for the vid and now I'm off to watch Blog #3.
If your going to remove the belt for the rear balance shaft you should also replace the front shaft with a mirage stub shaft for it to run a little smoother.
I just did it. Pain in the butt having to jack the motor up and down between steps. But beats the hell outta having to buy a crane and take the gearbox, both manifolds, the fuel rails and the air con off. Not to mention the amount of harnesses and connecters you have to fiddle with and remove from the engine block. It actually easier with the engine in, in my opinion :)
The 2-3" of room you have to work with and maneuver pieces around between the engine and side of the engine bay doesn't make it fun, but it's a lot easier than pulling an engine.
.Balance shaft tensioner pulley, be sure the lip of the pulley is outwards, not in(against the wall of the oil pump) .when installing timing belt, install the belt on both cams, work your way down onto the idler pulley, then onto the oil sprocket, crank sprocket,and finally the tensioner pulley. That way it doesn't throw off the lower b/s belt.
according to the Mitsubishi shop manual, you can use two large paper clamps to clamp down the timing belt on to the cam sprockets then you run the belt down to idle pulley side.
Actually, four paper clamps. I keep these with the smiley-pulley special tool and the long bolt for compressing the tensioner. But what really, really surprises me... this is almost the same engine, I have in my 1994 (!!!) Hyundai Sonata. 4G63 lasts forever ;-)
Awesome video dude!! Another tip is you must turn the crank 2-3 times once tension is done. Let it sit for 30minutes and see if the pin in the auto tension slides back in. If not you’ll have to set the tension again :)
In the end the pin needs to go in freely? When I set the tension I didn't use the md998738 because I forgot but my pin did go in and out freely when I torqued down the tensioner pulley.
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The thing which you’re calling front balance shaft is actually oil pump . Don’t know if you have noticed but when you removed your crank pulley , it was matching with timing mark on cover but the oil pump pully was out of mark which is pretty normal.
Hello. Yes i am aware the front balance shaft is also the oil pump pulley. Sorry if i did not mention that directly. As for the timing marks not matching, if you are talking about 3:53 in the video, the Timing Belt is already off.
Question, i am suspicious that my oil pump cover is leaking, so I've been watching this video to see what extra steps would be involved to get this done? My timing belt has oil in it, so i would be replacing the belt while I'm in there. Can anyone help me out?
Hy, I have brought a used galloper II and today when I take the car to the mechanic they found the second belt broken, the engine was working , is a big problem? Both belts will be replaced today. Thank you, have a good day!!
The 2 balance shafts are designed to work together. You can't just remove the belt from one balancer without disabling the second. The oil pump needs to come off and a stub shaft and block off bearings installed in place of the balance shaft. I highly discourage just removing the belt.
Hi, I'm from Brazil and after have the timing belt changed the engine of my car started having a kind of vibratiion. Its like if the engine were lying somewhere in the chassis of the car. Do you think this could happen if some mark point were mismatched? Tks
The front balance shaft that turns with the oil pump pulley is out of phase. It can be lined up 3 ways and 2 are incorrect because it's a 3 to 1 gear reduction. When lined up the proper way, when you slightly turn the gear it will want to rotate back to the mark when you let go. When lined up the wrong way when you rotate it a bit and let go, it will continue to turn away from the mark.
Hi Paul. How does the car run without that balance shaft belt? Just had one snap on me and it's only a little over a year old. Timing belt and pulleys are only a year old as well. Just don't wanna deal with all of that again just to replace a balance shaft belt lol
I know this is old but when I don’t have a balance shaft belt can I just install the new timing belt when u first take the old one off? My belts are brand new along with water pump and all, but a rock must have hit my belt as it now has a gash in it. I just need to Toss the new belt on, you took the belt off fairly quickly and I was specifically woundering if I have to take off the other stuff if I don’t have a balance shaft or can I simply put the new one on as soon as I get the old one off
I Need Help!! I Have A Short block And Cylinder Head That Needs to Be Joined But I'm Afraid That I Might Bend The Valves because I don't know where the crankshaft has to be placed! I don't have a timing cover or anything to place a marker on since I'm starting from scratch!
Just did the timing belt tension on my friend's EVO VI. Had it set as per Mitsu's procedure, where the pin has to slide freely in and out of the hole in the autotensioner after 2 spins of the crank, and waiting 15 minutes. But the thing is, the final tension (just deflecting the belt between the cam sprockets, and the longg run lower down between the idler pulley and the front balance shaft sprocket) seems a little bit loose to me. The actual tensioner pulley/happy face is in the same position as in your video, if not a bit further anti-clockwise/more tensioned. Thoughts? Is this just the auto-tensioner setting things the way she wants it to be, and me thinking the tension needs to be stronger than it should be on this engine?
I think there is a little mistake (I might be wrong, do not remember now) in the video. Initially, the happy face must have 'eyes' up, and then you rotate it clockwise down, along the belt rotating direction. Let me check it..
Yep, I was right. Chilton's says clearly, put the belt anticlockwise starting from the intake camshaft sprocket, tensioner pulley (happy face) must be upwards, initially adjust the tension by spinning it clockwise.
Thanks! The balance shafts simply help "balance" the motor so it is more smooth and has less shake. But most people that remove them say they can not tell the difference.
Almost there. Question on the lower belt cover. I didnt see you take it off. I have the bolts off. But it doesnt want to come off. Do I have to remove the crank pulley first? Also, how do I keep the crank from spinning if I use pneumatic ratchet gun?
Hello! Good Video! I've tried to tension timing belt on 4G64 engine without tension tool 4-5 times before i get it right! It's very tricky for 4G6 engines! Did you used dynamometric (1-5 Nm) key till it makes a klick to provide right tension? Thanks!
Hi Paul, In your experience, does the EVO timing belt come with timing marks? Ive done a few subbies myself and timing marks on the belt are great. Thansk
Paul, so why didn't you use the screwdriver + bolt hole method to line up the front balance shaft? I can imagine with the engine in the car it would be more difficult but that's not the case here.
Yup, exhaust is pretty much set. I know i need to do an update video, I just don't want to make a video for the sake of making a video. Car is kinda in limbo right now with the rest of my life...
this is similar engine as mitsubishi colt 1.5 turbo czt ,just wander becouse i thinking too du it by myself .and where i can bay this tools too hold sprocket
Am working on a plymouth laser 2.0 when I took the power steering pump off something fell off it look like a little Dow and something else know I don't know how it goes back
Have you drove since? I was curious what it was like with no balance shaft belt over a longer period of time. Please lmk, id like to hear from someone who has done it first hand
Cherry it’s been 💯 fine. But I probably only have like 4-5000 miles on it since I removed it. I would also like to know hear from someone who has been without one for like 30k miles have more solid data. Read the link in the video description if you haven’t already
My timing marks keep misaligning when putting tension just like in your first attempt. Which teeth were off that you corrected? I’ve tried multiple routes and same issue.
Testing my memory a bit here. but i think the balance belts marks were always where a bit to the right (clockwise) of where they were suppose to be. So i think i had the top cam timing marks right on, but had the bottom marks what looked to be 1 tooth left (counter clockwise) and once i added tension they lined up. Good luck.
Dont you have to set the tension so that the granade pin is lose in the holes? Im currently doing my timing belt kit and was told the pin has to be lose in order to have it correctly set
You want the tensioner pulley adjusted to where the grenade pin is loose in the auto tensioner. In the video, When i did the tensioner pulley adjustment you can see the grenade pin rotate so you know it is loose and free to remove. A loose grenade pin provides maximum travel from the tensioner and is what you want.
I have purchased the tension tool to adjust the tension but when i tighten the 14mm bolt when set the pin is hard to remove. Ive tried multiple times all day and still no loose pin. Im at the point of stripping the tension pulley 14mm bolt from trying to set tension
So wait i dont need the left balance shaft ? On my 1g 4g63 ? Can i just take away the belt and move on with my life or do i need to do more than that ?
Because its another belt that can break. The balance shafts we're seen more as a comfort item, and most people don't drive DSM's / EVO for comfort. So they remove the balance shaft belt to reduce the chance of it breaking and destroying the timing belt in the process. However, that is basically the old way of thinking. People now are more concerned about the actual harmonics of the engine that the balance shafts help with. So do more research and decide for yourself if you are doing a belt job soon.
Thank you for this, me and my wife did this and pay attention to all your videos and thanks again. We did it!! We were able to take it out of timing put a new water pump and put it in timing again. Much appreciate it your videos are super helpful
holy shit i wish more videos were explained like this lol i dont know if anyone has ever told you this but you are a damn good teacher.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words!
Best evo timing video on youtube by far IMO, zip ties and the proper tool kit ftw.
Great service video for the EvO community. Founder: EvORS owners society
The best information video on UA-cam!!!
Nice work mate - Thumbs up from Australia
Such an informative video. Thank you so much. You’ve helped me understand a great deal more than I did. Kudos
Thanks heaps Paul,
I started out just changing out the clutch and now I need to do the cam belt too, thanks for the list of parts too 👏👏👏👏
@Boosted Films - Subbed and liked the video. I was in the midst of doing my 06 sohc Lancer and came across this. The engine layout for all belts and pulleys was identical except for the second overhead cam gear. I managed to follow your steps and get it done extremely quickly. Runs like a dream now! Thank you so much!
Boosted Films. Thank you so much for your excellent well explained video. May God bless you...
Glad it was helpful!
@@BoostedFilms Hey boosted films, i have a question for you sir. So i can not run the balance shaft belt and not have to buy the delete kit? Want to make sure cus if i can not run it and not have to buy the delte kit, thats just convenient!
Top spec video Sir, loved every second of your narrative
Same as Hyundai 2.4L, great video. Thanks!
Does the Hyundai have the rear balance shaft?
@@250gto9 yep, it does. Looks identical
really happy you got another evo i used to love your evo videos and these are great
Desde que compre mi evo veo tus videos son muy utiles y la informacion es muy completa gracias por subir contenido tan bueno
Update: Leave out the rear balance shaft at your own risk - read more here www.jackstransmissions.com/pages/keep-your-balance-shafts
What is the proper procedure for adjusting the rear balance shaft tensioner for correct belt tension?
Paul, great video, man. Twas' a good way to begin my Monday morning at work. I actually do not think I have any questions at the moment because you covered it so well. I will say that I do not look forward to doing this with the engine in vehicle - fortunately, my Evo only has 41k miles on it. Thanks for the vid and now I'm off to watch Blog #3.
If your going to remove the belt for the rear balance shaft you should also replace the front shaft with a mirage stub shaft for it to run a little smoother.
Nice. Can't imagine how complicated it must be changing the belt with the engine in the car.
super easy
I just did it. Pain in the butt having to jack the motor up and down between steps. But beats the hell outta having to buy a crane and take the gearbox, both manifolds, the fuel rails and the air con off. Not to mention the amount of harnesses and connecters you have to fiddle with and remove from the engine block. It actually easier with the engine in, in my opinion :)
The 2-3" of room you have to work with and maneuver pieces around between the engine and side of the engine bay doesn't make it fun, but it's a lot easier than pulling an engine.
.Balance shaft tensioner pulley, be sure the lip of the pulley is outwards, not in(against the wall of the oil pump)
.when installing timing belt, install the belt on both cams, work your way down onto the idler pulley, then onto the oil sprocket, crank sprocket,and finally the tensioner pulley. That way it doesn't throw off the lower b/s belt.
Great video man thank you.
according to the Mitsubishi shop manual, you can use two large paper clamps to clamp down the timing belt on to the cam sprockets then you run the belt down to idle pulley side.
Yeah, that and zip ties were a common approach if you don't have the special tools.
Actually, four paper clamps. I keep these with the smiley-pulley special tool and the long bolt for compressing the tensioner. But what really, really surprises me... this is almost the same engine, I have in my 1994 (!!!) Hyundai Sonata. 4G63 lasts forever ;-)
Boosted Files
I learned the clip approach from a local mechanic. It really helps.
Thanks for sharing this ,i was looking for this the hole internet and found it great work
Now this is quality, thanks.
excellent job, exsplained very well thanks
Thank you for sharing this video, it is really really helpful.
Really helpful 💪💪🫡
I want to do my belt soon on my Evo IV. I will definitely reference this video for help...subbed!
nice explanation I have no doubt I can do it myself now:D
Could you do a video on how to install upgraded cam gears ⚙️
Thank you , you're the best)
Awesome video dude!! Another tip is you must turn the crank 2-3 times once tension is done. Let it sit for 30minutes and see if the pin in the auto tension slides back in. If not you’ll have to set the tension again :)
In the end the pin needs to go in freely? When I set the tension I didn't use the md998738 because I forgot but my pin did go in and out freely when I torqued down the tensioner pulley.
Hi dear sir
The most wonderful video I ever seen
God bless you and your family
It’s definitely useful 👍🏻 thanks man .
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Casually Explained: 4G63T Timing belt?
i like how at 1:18, 3:06, 7:45 its written one time in professional Language and one time in Mechanic Slang
The thing which you’re calling front balance shaft is actually oil pump . Don’t know if you have noticed but when you removed your crank pulley , it was matching with timing mark on cover but the oil pump pully was out of mark which is pretty normal.
Hello. Yes i am aware the front balance shaft is also the oil pump pulley. Sorry if i did not mention that directly. As for the timing marks not matching, if you are talking about 3:53 in the video, the Timing Belt is already off.
Awesome video!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Nice video
Nice video! Thanks.
spot on champ well done!!
Good work.
Thank you for your big very big help
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Best video
Thanks bud
good video man thanks
Amazing, thanks for video.
Very Informative
great info, thanks
Question, i am suspicious that my oil pump cover is leaking, so I've been watching this video to see what extra steps would be involved to get this done?
My timing belt has oil in it, so i would be replacing the belt while I'm in there. Can anyone help me out?
Hy, I have brought a used galloper II and today when I take the car to the mechanic they found the second belt broken, the engine was working , is a big problem?
Both belts will be replaced today.
Thank you, have a good day!!
The 2 balance shafts are designed to work together. You can't just remove the belt from one balancer without disabling the second. The oil pump needs to come off and a stub shaft and block off bearings installed in place of the balance shaft. I highly discourage just removing the belt.
I'm just curious how much more vibration is felt by not running the back balance shift, and still running the front one.
Best video 👍
this is the same as 4g69 outlander one but timing belt is different, because its not sohc as the 4g69, its dohc.
the timing belt on my mitsubishi outlander 2003 awd 2.4 was done at 70k miles. now its at 129k miles. should i replace it soon?
Hi, I'm from Brazil and after have the timing belt changed the engine of my car started having a kind of vibratiion. Its like if the engine were lying somewhere in the chassis of the car.
Do you think this could happen if some mark point were mismatched? Tks
The front balance shaft that turns with the oil pump pulley is out of phase. It can be lined up 3 ways and 2 are incorrect because it's a 3 to 1 gear reduction. When lined up the proper way, when you slightly turn the gear it will want to rotate back to the mark when you let go. When lined up the wrong way when you rotate it a bit and let go, it will continue to turn away from the mark.
Hi Paul. How does the car run without that balance shaft belt? Just had one snap on me and it's only a little over a year old. Timing belt and pulleys are only a year old as well. Just don't wanna deal with all of that again just to replace a balance shaft belt lol
Its been great since making this video. I don't notice its gone.
@@BoostedFilms awesome! Thanks for the quick reply!!
Good
THANKS . ITS GREAT
I know this is old but when I don’t have a balance shaft belt can I just install the new timing belt when u first take the old one off? My belts are brand new along with water pump and all, but a rock must have hit my belt as it now has a gash in it. I just need to Toss the new belt on, you took the belt off fairly quickly and I was specifically woundering if I have to take off the other stuff if I don’t have a balance shaft or can I simply put the new one on as soon as I get the old one off
I Need Help!! I Have A Short block And Cylinder Head That Needs to Be Joined But I'm Afraid That I Might Bend The Valves because I don't know where the crankshaft has to be placed! I don't have a timing cover or anything to place a marker on since I'm starting from scratch!
Would be great if u showed wot parts were removed earlier to reach the timing belts component's.
Just did the timing belt tension on my friend's EVO VI. Had it set as per Mitsu's procedure, where the pin has to slide freely in and out of the hole in the autotensioner after 2 spins of the crank, and waiting 15 minutes. But the thing is, the final tension (just deflecting the belt between the cam sprockets, and the longg run lower down between the idler pulley and the front balance shaft sprocket) seems a little bit loose to me.
The actual tensioner pulley/happy face is in the same position as in your video, if not a bit further anti-clockwise/more tensioned. Thoughts? Is this just the auto-tensioner setting things the way she wants it to be, and me thinking the tension needs to be stronger than it should be on this engine?
I think there is a little mistake (I might be wrong, do not remember now) in the video. Initially, the happy face must have 'eyes' up, and then you rotate it clockwise down, along the belt rotating direction. Let me check it..
Yep, I was right. Chilton's says clearly, put the belt anticlockwise starting from the intake camshaft sprocket, tensioner pulley (happy face) must be upwards, initially adjust the tension by spinning it clockwise.
thank you for this awesome video! what exactly does the balancing shaft pulley do for the motor. why is it considered optional
Thanks! The balance shafts simply help "balance" the motor so it is more smooth and has less shake. But most people that remove them say they can not tell the difference.
Almost there. Question on the lower belt cover. I didnt see you take it off. I have the bolts off. But it doesnt want to come off. Do I have to remove the crank pulley first? Also, how do I keep the crank from spinning if I use pneumatic ratchet gun?
Nice good job
Hello! Good Video! I've tried to tension timing belt on 4G64 engine without tension tool 4-5 times before i get it right! It's very tricky for 4G6 engines! Did you used dynamometric (1-5 Nm) key till it makes a klick to provide right tension?
Thanks!
Tqvm
Great vid to show the method, realistically can this be done with the engine in the car? I really dont want to pull the engine if i dont have to.
Bronzer1991 it certainly can be done with the engine in the car. I’d Imagine that’s how most people would do it. Just a tighter area to work in.
Hi Paul,
In your experience, does the EVO timing belt come with timing marks? Ive done a few subbies myself and timing marks on the belt are great.
Thansk
How meany bolts holds the belt tensioner on the 2000 mitsubishi mirage
What’s the pros and cons on not fitting the rear balance belt?
Great video is the Evo 4 the same with regards to the engine timing?
Paul, so why didn't you use the screwdriver + bolt hole method to line up the front balance shaft? I can imagine with the engine in the car it would be more difficult but that's not the case here.
Hi John. I'm sure i did both and just didn't include it in the video here.
Boosted Films I gotcha. Get that downpipe in yet? Or you hibernating until it's warmer out?
Yup, exhaust is pretty much set. I know i need to do an update video, I just don't want to make a video for the sake of making a video. Car is kinda in limbo right now with the rest of my life...
Understandable man. We'll all be here when you're ready.
Thankyou
thank you sir
this is similar engine as mitsubishi colt 1.5 turbo czt ,just wander becouse i thinking too du it by myself .and where i can bay this tools too hold sprocket
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Am working on a plymouth laser 2.0 when I took the power steering pump off something fell off it look like a little Dow and something else know I don't know how it goes back
Good Luck................
my front balance shaft does not fall anywhere it just stays still. any idea why ?
Perhaps it was already deleted. Screwdriver test on the side of the block would tell you for sure.
I have a 2.4 hyundai look de the same, so i need to know where i can find a tool for stop cams two pulleys up ?
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Have you drove since? I was curious what it was like with no balance shaft belt over a longer period of time. Please lmk, id like to hear from someone who has done it first hand
Cherry it’s been 💯 fine. But I probably only have like 4-5000 miles on it since I removed it. I would also like to know hear from someone who has been without one for like 30k miles have more solid data. Read the link in the video description if you haven’t already
Dont delete
Uhh I thought the idler pulley was 59ft lbs?
how did you break open the Crank Pulley bolt? Is there a trick to keep it from spinning?
air impact
any impact ;)
Socket wrench handle or extension in the view hole for the flywheel and you can find a way to get it stuck then loosen the bolt
Amazing.
My timing marks keep misaligning when putting tension just like in your first attempt. Which teeth were off that you corrected? I’ve tried multiple routes and same issue.
Testing my memory a bit here. but i think the balance belts marks were always where a bit to the right (clockwise) of where they were suppose to be. So i think i had the top cam timing marks right on, but had the bottom marks what looked to be 1 tooth left (counter clockwise) and once i added tension they lined up. Good luck.
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What about a 96 eagle talon tsi. It looks similar would this work for that too?
Dont you have to set the tension so that the granade pin is lose in the holes? Im currently doing my timing belt kit and was told the pin has to be lose in order to have it correctly set
You want the tensioner pulley adjusted to where the grenade pin is loose in the auto tensioner. In the video, When i did the tensioner pulley adjustment you can see the grenade pin rotate so you know it is loose and free to remove. A loose grenade pin provides maximum travel from the tensioner and is what you want.
I have purchased the tension tool to adjust the tension but when i tighten the 14mm bolt when set the pin is hard to remove. Ive tried multiple times all day and still no loose pin. Im at the point of stripping the tension pulley 14mm bolt from trying to set tension
So wait i dont need the left balance shaft ? On my 1g 4g63 ? Can i just take away the belt and move on with my life or do i need to do more than that ?
Yes, you can. However, i still encourage you to read this first www.jackstransmissions.com/pages/keep-your-balance-shafts.
@@BoostedFilms ah thanks now i understand hmmm ill think i keep in there insted :)
My EVO only has one cam.
Why do people not run the. Balance shaft? I got a 97 eclipse 2.0t just wondering
Because its another belt that can break. The balance shafts we're seen more as a comfort item, and most people don't drive DSM's / EVO for comfort. So they remove the balance shaft belt to reduce the chance of it breaking and destroying the timing belt in the process.
However, that is basically the old way of thinking. People now are more concerned about the actual harmonics of the engine that the balance shafts help with. So do more research and decide for yourself if you are doing a belt job soon.
Should’ve marked the belt aswell imo
Hi good day what is the time in belt part number for the evo 8 the same as the evo 9
I'd double check, but this is what i gather from the STM website. MD326059 is evo 1-8. MN187466 is evo 9.
do a how to vid for timing!
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What do you do if you have mivec in an evo 9?
Is it almost the same for an Evo 6??
Yeah
Timing tensioner : 12:10
What state are you in? Give me a quote to do mine if you are in Georgia