My first pastor told me he only reads books/sermons from dead theologians/pastors because he knows they “finished well.” I thought it was odd back then, but now I see the wisdom in it.
He spoke at SBTS when I was a student there back in 2007 and I heard him again at the SBC in Louisville. He cried during his sermon both times. I was on alert immediately along with my wife. I said he'll be able to slide all kinds of things by people. I remember members in my church fawning over "Radical." Me, not so much.
Similar tactic used by J. D. Greear when he preached as SBTS somewhere around 2018 or 2019. The rhetorical histrionics made any logical point impossible to hear. The emotionalism was center and evidence of the sincerity of the speaker.
Me either. When it came out I was part of a group study of the book. I remember feeling like I should reeeeeally be liking it but it just wasn't setting right with me. It had some good, punchy thoughts but the way he accused me/America of being uncaring and materialistic, watching the world go to hell while I still had a Ramen Noodle left in my bowl reeked of socialism to me...but just baaaarely and could be interpreted either way and not "proven". Like every other progressive, they throw out the accusations but then skirt to the corners and claim that they never actually SAID that. I am convinced people like David Platt, Russell Moore, and JD Greere, who have to couch their words to make them more palatable, to sneak in subversive truths by never actually "saying" things (deliberately being sneaky and deceptive), and then when there's pushback claim the high moral middle ground, (backing off 80% of what they said but that 20% remains and festers like a boil)...are not Christian. No one who lives in such a world of deliberate, dishonest, insincere, doublespeak are wolves. Have nothing to do with such people.
This is so interesting to me. The first time I heard him, which was during the Secret Church, I felt the same way. He completely gave me the most off-putting feeling.
Any platform, secular and "Christian" that is heavy with emotional manipulation, is geared towards us ladies. It is sad that we haven't woken up to this.
Hi guys. I stumbled onto your podcast after watching the documentary on Platt. I'm a Canadian pastor of a rural church. Just wanted to encourage you and say keep up the good work. My prayers are with the American people as election day draws near.
First time I ever heard him preach was three years ago. I had no idea who he was and I was immediately off put by his slurred speech and strange crying thing he does. Everyone else seemed to love him.
I was involved in MBC for 3 periods during my tenure in DC area ( 1982-2020 ) Last period ( early 2000s ) ended around 2010 over CCM style music, modern Bible Versions, and Worldly outlook of many brethren ( Don't want to sound self righteous, for GOD knows the sins I struggle with ), But Lon Solomon was always a teacher I could Trust. After 2010 I attended an IBC ( Temple Baptist Herndon VA ) before retiring to Knoxville, TN where GOD led me to a small, faithful IBC church. Having stated my background, I resented the more 'progressive' element of Christianity guilt tripping me on not supporting their particular ministries, being that GOD led me to support my Baptist church, and many parachurch ministries since my conversion in mid 1970s. Liberals, Woke people, progressives like to 'Talk the Talk', but its conservative Bible Believers, though in lower average income bracket, give far greater % of income to Church and Missions.
Hi I’m just curious what church you attend? I’m also in Knoxville and attend a SBC. I’ve been thinking of switching after hearing of all this corruption.
I work for an SBC entity and Platt spoke at our chapel service. I couldn't stand his histrionic preaching style. I knew he'd gone woke but I was disgusted to see how he deceived MBC. I want to know if the SBC played a bigger role behind the scenes. Left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm not surprised with the woke tares pushing crt and women pastors lately.
no doubt they did. just finished viewing both parts of the documentary. My wife and I met and married at an SBC church in Charleston County, SC in 2005 2006. then left it in early 2007 , so glad we did.
I've noticed a trend in Pastors over the last 50 years. In the 60's if you asked a Pastor what his gift was he would say "Pastor/Teacher" or "Shepherd". Now I hear a lot of them say their an "Evangelist". They want to tell the congregation they need to be witnessing and telling people about Jesus but they don't want to get involved with the members of the church. As a result attendance has fallen off dramatically
I read Radical in my 20's.... I remember being a little confused by it, like it seemed Biblical and it was so popular/promoted among Christians, but it didn't quite sit right with me either.... it wasn't until later I was able to really understand why. The absolute corruption that he's been involved in his appalling.
I was on staff at a church in Northern VA that was 20%+ multi-ethnic, which reflected the neighborhoods around the church and surrounding area. It wasn’t’ forced in any way as it organically happened. Church leadership did have to make adjustments and learn best practices to be a healthy multi-ethnic church.
The poverty gospel: The worst piece of financial advice ever given from the pulpit is John Piper mocking the couple happily retired in Florida collecting seashells. Self-sufficiency is taught everywhere in scripture, and planning for retirement is one of those ways of being self-sufficient especially when you are too old to work. It keeps you from being a burden on your kids and grandkids at least financially.
The prosperity gospel Is even more evil. It's nowhere taught In scripture. And God doesn't leave us here so we can indulge the flesh and live the comfortable life.
I would highly recommend Jerry Bowyer's book "The Maker versus The Takers." Jesus only condemns wealth when it's tied to political extortion. Also, the early church in Acts selling their belongings knew that Christ prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem. They had insider trading informatiom and were acting on it.
I bet that's a good book. Re: Acts 3 & 4, Israel was being obedient to the words of Jesus - He had told them how hard it would be for a rich man to enter their promised Messianic kingdom. They were being faithful Jews, prepping for entrance into their kingdom. They expected it to come (Acts 1:6-7), but over the next 40 years, Israel's leaders never received Jesus as Messiah. Tragic for that generation. But, praise God, Jesus gave Paul a new revelation for us (Eph 3:1-9; Rom 16:25-26; Col 1:25-27; 1Tim 1:15-16; etc.)
David Platt was in Nepal on 20-21 October, and he was speaking at a conference of Arise Nepal. He was sharing about the red and green zones. Later, I followed him on Facebook; he was sharing a video for the fund raising. Later, after he left our country, I saw his controversial exposed video.
I'm a 17 year recovering alcoholic by the grace of God, and I have a pretty razor sharp antenna for picking up when someone is inebriated. While I cannot be conclusive on the matter, I swear there's a whole host of clips of Platt in that documentary where I'm pretty sure he's on something. There's an unmistakable slur in his speech that often sounds as he's finishing sentences. Whether this is booze, or some other form of narcotic depressant I cannot be sure, but I'm entirely convinced it's one of the above. It fits the context of the situation, where Platt demonstrates in released emails, his self-loathing for having to peddle in lies and deception as a necessity to his cause. The urge to medicate for relief makes perfect sense.
I too struggled with drugs and can spot it but I wouldn’t accuse Platt of doing so. I think it’s much more likely some kind of impediment of speech and it is consistent with him.
@@Tothehighwaysandbyways Maybe you're right. I don't know the intimate details of his life. Time will tell. Such things never stay covered. I tend to trust my gut on matters like this. Doesn't mean I'm right. Lord forgive me if wrong, but I don't think I am.
@@ameliacoburn4787 I've sense taken to watching a whole lot more footage of Platt in the last week, and I most certainly do not see this pattern of speech in older clips. I just firm behind my initial suspicions.
An observation that I've made is that in churches that have a teaching pastor there is no one taking responsibility for shepherding, counseling, disputes, etc. Those are sourced out to elders who also run interference in protecting the teaching pastor from those pastoral responsibilities. Those same pastors are telling others that this is how to properly run a church so no one falls through the cracks. Meanwhile, lots of people are falling through the cracks because the buck never stops anywhere....it just circles around and around and all of the elder decisions are set in stone as if they are a lead pastor. So multiple lead pastors with no accountability because the teaching pastor who is the face of the church is not really a pastor overseeing the elders. That's a problem. And it's prevalent in reformed churches.
Sad the spiritual leaders had no discernment when bringing Platt in, and what kind of prayer, research did they do? They turned it all over to him? What kickbacks did the "yes" men get out of all this..........when you see this, the answer is usually follow the money........
The Rich Young Ruler: Came to test Jesus, not humbly inquire. Did not ask how to be saved. He asked what he must do to inherit eternal life. Jesus tells him quite plainly to keep the entire law. This is not the gospel. This is however laying the law on a prideful and self righteous man who needs to realize how short he falls of God’s glory. The law was never intended to make man righteous.
The application of the rich young ruler to the rest of us is that Jesus wants us to give up our concern for this world and be focused on His eternal kingdom. For the rich young ruler, that was his wealth. For others of us, it might be some form of entertainment or social status. Are we willing to give up what we rely on most in this life for Jesus' sake? Following Jesus will have some cost which we must be willing to bear. As with other teachings from Jesus which put devotion to Him above everything else in this life, they don't contradict what scripture says in general about a topic. We are to take care of our families. Providing an inheritance for our children's children is good and noble. Given the name the gospel writers give him, I doubt the rich *young* ruler had a family he needed to provide for. That's why Jesus specifically called on him to renounce his wealth.
So you could say God has a lot of time on His hands…. But I just can’t get over the FBmarketplace user not bringing cash. That’s what really pops my thinker.
Never bought into Platt…especially Radical. That book came off as almost an idolatry of poverty/impoverished living. Bought too much into Lawson…and was burned on that one.
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My first pastor told me he only reads books/sermons from dead theologians/pastors because he knows they “finished well.” I thought it was odd back then, but now I see the wisdom in it.
He spoke at SBTS when I was a student there back in 2007 and I heard him again at the SBC in Louisville. He cried during his sermon both times. I was on alert immediately along with my wife. I said he'll be able to slide all kinds of things by people. I remember members in my church fawning over "Radical." Me, not so much.
My church as well. I didn't buy the book Radical either
Similar tactic used by J. D. Greear when he preached as SBTS somewhere around 2018 or 2019. The rhetorical histrionics made any logical point impossible to hear. The emotionalism was center and evidence of the sincerity of the speaker.
Me either. When it came out I was part of a group study of the book. I remember feeling like I should reeeeeally be liking it but it just wasn't setting right with me. It had some good, punchy thoughts but the way he accused me/America of being uncaring and materialistic, watching the world go to hell while I still had a Ramen Noodle left in my bowl reeked of socialism to me...but just baaaarely and could be interpreted either way and not "proven". Like every other progressive, they throw out the accusations but then skirt to the corners and claim that they never actually SAID that. I am convinced people like David Platt, Russell Moore, and JD Greere, who have to couch their words to make them more palatable, to sneak in subversive truths by never actually "saying" things (deliberately being sneaky and deceptive), and then when there's pushback claim the high moral middle ground, (backing off 80% of what they said but that 20% remains and festers like a boil)...are not Christian. No one who lives in such a world of deliberate, dishonest, insincere, doublespeak are wolves. Have nothing to do with such people.
This is so interesting to me. The first time I heard him, which was during the Secret Church, I felt the same way. He completely gave me the most off-putting feeling.
@@JesusPeopleSF LACK of sincerity...
Any platform, secular and "Christian" that is heavy with emotional manipulation, is geared towards us ladies. It is sad that we haven't woken up to this.
Keen discernment. Nothing but respect for a woman who knows when she's being manipulated despite it all being designed to deceive her.
Hi guys. I stumbled onto your podcast after watching the documentary on Platt. I'm a Canadian pastor of a rural church. Just wanted to encourage you and say keep up the good work. My prayers are with the American people as election day draws near.
First time I ever heard him preach was three years ago. I had no idea who he was and I was immediately off put by his slurred speech and strange crying thing he does. Everyone else seemed to love him.
I was involved in MBC for 3 periods during my tenure in DC area ( 1982-2020 ) Last period ( early 2000s ) ended around 2010 over CCM style music, modern Bible Versions, and Worldly outlook of many brethren ( Don't want to sound self righteous, for GOD knows the sins I struggle with ), But Lon Solomon was always a teacher I could Trust. After 2010 I attended an IBC ( Temple Baptist Herndon VA ) before retiring to Knoxville, TN where GOD led me to a small, faithful IBC church.
Having stated my background, I resented the more 'progressive' element of Christianity guilt tripping me on not supporting their particular ministries, being that GOD led me to support my Baptist church, and many parachurch ministries since my conversion in mid 1970s. Liberals, Woke people, progressives like to 'Talk the Talk', but its conservative Bible Believers, though in lower average income bracket, give far greater % of income to Church and Missions.
Hi I’m just curious what church you attend? I’m also in Knoxville and attend a SBC. I’ve been thinking of switching after hearing of all this corruption.
@@kevindrake714 Ball Road Baptist Church
www.youtube.com/@ballroadbaptist4221
I work for an SBC entity and Platt spoke at our chapel service. I couldn't stand his histrionic preaching style. I knew he'd gone woke but I was disgusted to see how he deceived MBC. I want to know if the SBC played a bigger role behind the scenes. Left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm not surprised with the woke tares pushing crt and women pastors lately.
no doubt they did. just finished viewing both parts of the documentary. My wife and I met and married at an SBC church in Charleston County, SC in 2005 2006. then left it in early 2007 , so glad we did.
I've noticed a trend in Pastors over the last 50 years. In the 60's if you asked a Pastor what his gift was he would say "Pastor/Teacher" or "Shepherd". Now I hear a lot of them say their an "Evangelist". They want to tell the congregation they need to be witnessing and telling people about Jesus but they don't want to get involved with the members of the church. As a result attendance has fallen off dramatically
Jon thanks so much for your ministry. So very needed today. Blessings.
Congratulations on the birth of your daughter!
I read Radical in my 20's.... I remember being a little confused by it, like it seemed Biblical and it was so popular/promoted among Christians, but it didn't quite sit right with me either.... it wasn't until later I was able to really understand why. The absolute corruption that he's been involved in his appalling.
I was on staff at a church in Northern VA that was 20%+ multi-ethnic, which reflected the neighborhoods around the church and surrounding area. It wasn’t’ forced in any way as it organically happened. Church leadership did have to make adjustments and learn best practices to be a healthy multi-ethnic church.
The poverty gospel: The worst piece of financial advice ever given from the pulpit is John Piper mocking the couple happily retired in Florida collecting seashells.
Self-sufficiency is taught everywhere in scripture, and planning for retirement is one of those ways of being self-sufficient especially when you are too old to work. It keeps you from being a burden on your kids and grandkids at least financially.
I’ve always hated that…..
The prosperity gospel Is even more evil. It's nowhere taught In scripture. And God doesn't leave us here so we can indulge the flesh and live the comfortable life.
Most any universalist statement with such a broad inclusive statement is suspect. Abraham was rich. God didn’t rebuke him for it.
Too bad you didn't understand Pipers point.
@@chriscravens8318 Driveby comment. Thanks for playing.
The poverty gospel seems to dovetail with the social justice gospel.
I would highly recommend Jerry Bowyer's book "The Maker versus The Takers." Jesus only condemns wealth when it's tied to political extortion.
Also, the early church in Acts selling their belongings knew that Christ prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem. They had insider trading informatiom and were acting on it.
I bet that's a good book. Re: Acts 3 & 4, Israel was being obedient to the words of Jesus - He had told them how hard it would be for a rich man to enter their promised Messianic kingdom. They were being faithful Jews, prepping for entrance into their kingdom. They expected it to come (Acts 1:6-7), but over the next 40 years, Israel's leaders never received Jesus as Messiah. Tragic for that generation. But, praise God, Jesus gave Paul a new revelation for us (Eph 3:1-9; Rom 16:25-26; Col 1:25-27; 1Tim 1:15-16; etc.)
David Platt was in Nepal on 20-21 October, and he was speaking at a conference of Arise Nepal. He was sharing about the red and green zones. Later, I followed him on Facebook; he was sharing a video for the fund raising. Later, after he left our country, I saw his controversial exposed video.
Came here early to say- love the into. 👍🏻 Now I will continue to listen…
Great video/ very interesting and informative.
The social justice gospel is an increasingly acceptable sin in the Sydney Anglican Church.
I'm a 17 year recovering alcoholic by the grace of God, and I have a pretty razor sharp antenna for picking up when someone is inebriated. While I cannot be conclusive on the matter, I swear there's a whole host of clips of Platt in that documentary where I'm pretty sure he's on something. There's an unmistakable slur in his speech that often sounds as he's finishing sentences. Whether this is booze, or some other form of narcotic depressant I cannot be sure, but I'm entirely convinced it's one of the above. It fits the context of the situation, where Platt demonstrates in released emails, his self-loathing for having to peddle in lies and deception as a necessity to his cause. The urge to medicate for relief makes perfect sense.
I too struggled with drugs and can spot it but I wouldn’t accuse Platt of doing so. I think it’s much more likely some kind of impediment of speech and it is consistent with him.
@@Tothehighwaysandbyways Maybe you're right. I don't know the intimate details of his life. Time will tell. Such things never stay covered. I tend to trust my gut on matters like this. Doesn't mean I'm right. Lord forgive me if wrong, but I don't think I am.
the way he speaks is kinda unique.... he's always been like that. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.
@@ameliacoburn4787 I've sense taken to watching a whole lot more footage of Platt in the last week, and I most certainly do not see this pattern of speech in older clips. I just firm behind my initial suspicions.
It is so bizarre that Platt is a teaching pastor only. I didnt think that was remotely biblical.
It is not, it is pastor-teacher
An observation that I've made is that in churches that have a teaching pastor there is no one taking responsibility for shepherding, counseling, disputes, etc. Those are sourced out to elders who also run interference in protecting the teaching pastor from those pastoral responsibilities. Those same pastors are telling others that this is how to properly run a church so no one falls through the cracks. Meanwhile, lots of people are falling through the cracks because the buck never stops anywhere....it just circles around and around and all of the elder decisions are set in stone as if they are a lead pastor. So multiple lead pastors with no accountability because the teaching pastor who is the face of the church is not really a pastor overseeing the elders. That's a problem. And it's prevalent in reformed churches.
hes an actor. paid well, too.
Anyone in leadership who says all Christians should do this or that……My question will be, Have you done that?
Paul Washer has also called out corrupt pastors.
He always gave me the creeps honestly. So not this woman.
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Can you tell me who plays the outro music ?
Sad the spiritual leaders had no discernment when bringing Platt in, and what kind of prayer, research did they do? They turned it all over to him? What kickbacks did the "yes" men get out of all this..........when you see this, the answer is usually follow the money........
😂😂"boomer whisperer"...not quite a boomer (born in '68), but I did love the song❤️
Re: election-- the men are waking up. ❤
The Rich Young Ruler:
Came to test Jesus, not humbly inquire.
Did not ask how to be saved. He asked what he must do to inherit eternal life.
Jesus tells him quite plainly to keep the entire law. This is not the gospel. This is however laying the law on a prideful and self righteous man who needs to realize how short he falls of God’s glory. The law was never intended to make man righteous.
The application of the rich young ruler to the rest of us is that Jesus wants us to give up our concern for this world and be focused on His eternal kingdom. For the rich young ruler, that was his wealth. For others of us, it might be some form of entertainment or social status. Are we willing to give up what we rely on most in this life for Jesus' sake? Following Jesus will have some cost which we must be willing to bear.
As with other teachings from Jesus which put devotion to Him above everything else in this life, they don't contradict what scripture says in general about a topic. We are to take care of our families. Providing an inheritance for our children's children is good and noble. Given the name the gospel writers give him, I doubt the rich *young* ruler had a family he needed to provide for. That's why Jesus specifically called on him to renounce his wealth.
Hey Matthew, if you are referring to a singular person, you use the singular pronoun "he" (or she), not "they."
It is obvious to me that Jeremiah and Laura Burke care for the sheep. They didn’t cut and run. They are sticking with their church.
2 Samuel 12:14
So you could say God has a lot of time on His hands….
But I just can’t get over the FBmarketplace user not bringing cash. That’s what really pops my thinker.
Never bought into Platt…especially Radical. That book came off as almost an idolatry of poverty/impoverished living. Bought too much into Lawson…and was burned on that one.
26:55 And Basil.
Abolitionists Rising
Seems like Platt is acting like he comes straight from the pit of hell!!!!