Better Option IMO: Get any shield from Divided Temple (Vix Lunaris, Invictus Solaris, Magna Eclipsis) with a +1 socketed gems corruption. You now get +3 to all socketed gems. You get +3 to the Brand Recall vs +6 like you do with Pragmatism , but the 3 levels you add to both the Empower and Enhance make up for it for the same total CDR, and you get to keep your 6l Chest slot! Adding levels to Empower, Enhance, or Brand Recall are all interchangable. You get 8% CDR no matter which you increase. Below are the total levels you add with each option: Uncorrupted Pragmatism: +6 (6 to Recall) Corrupted Pragmatism: +9 (7 to recall, 1 each to supports) Uncorrupted Shield: +6 (2 each to Recall and both supports) Corrupted Shield: +9 (3 each to Recall and both supports)
Note on the Saboteur version (I have played this build as leaguestarter all the way to quest Eater/Exarch), the build has a lot of jankiness in it due to triggerbots often being stuck behind walls or on cliffs especiallly if you frostblink/flamedash through those walls and cliffs. Because the Brand Recall will be casted on the triggerbots' position, you won't be able to kill any mobs on your side until you run far enough to despawn the triggerbots to your position. Testing with *convocation needed for this. You are also bound to triggerbots' whims as they sometimes run to random mob packs, leaving you vulnerable to mob packs that are in your immediate vicinity. I think Hierophant is the more consistent, solid option for this (also because Hiero builds defense easier) The best use case for the Saboteur version is Pinnacle fights or boss rushing. Boss rushing maps for this league is Park/City Square, of which bosses are on open ground, so the build does well there.
I'd agree the Sabo version is definitely much better suited for bossing. I wish they would improve the Triggerbot AI/movespeed or at least provide a skill on the notable itself which is basically just convocation but for the triggerbots only so you don't lose a socket. They could also give the triggerbots the same 'tech' that some floating minion type units have so they can freely move up/down terrain, it would make the playstyle so much better
@@snaxximan5737 Death's oath isn't that bad. I killed maven with Death's Oath in Kalandra and had no problems with the coked out arch nemesis rares. I'm not aware of any nerfs either since then.
@@xursed7990 since its usualy played with divine flesh we lost chaos dot per chaos res multi from chaos mastery as well as undocumented no more max chaos res on quivers nerf
This new armor is nuts, like a Crest of Desire for the body slot. Thanks for sharing these cool interactions. Also, if you're asking how the league is going, I somehow dropped a whole mirror while leveling my first character in yellow maps. First one I've seen in like 3000 hrs of playing. So I bought my first mageblood and have been having a blast.
@@dreamcore_gg hey, if it could happen to me, it could happen to anyone. I'm never gonna win the real world lottery, but maybe the poe lottery once in while ain't so bad.
You can reach Lv 81 spectres if you only slot them in, losing 2 lvls each time you add a support for whatever reason. You can have lv 90 bone archer corpses with Unearth. Just with the body armour. Do with that info what you will
I get 1.122 cd with a trigger weapon. The trick is that, if I have a second brand recall in a crafter trigger weapon (1 with 4cd, another with 8), every 2 casts I cast double, so with 7 brands, every 1.122s I cast 7 brands, and every 2 casts I cast 28 brands. Given the numbers, you do 1.2121 effective casts per second (14 brands is a effective cast), and mine does 1.32, simply because whatever the 4s wands trigger rate is, I then multiply it by 1.5 to account for the double casts. IDK if it's a bug but yeah, both brands recalls have separate cooldowns and trigger separately. Bonus, I can trigger them casting the brand itself, no need to mix wand attacks. Cool idea but weaker than what we had before.
I did that exact build as my starter this league. Was lotsa fun, got a +2 duration carcass jack since they're relatively cheap and brands have a duration tag. Did some tainted currency crafting once I could afford it to 6-link it, but it was strong as hell even before that. When I was done, I got to 550k per brand on PoB with my non-crit version using EO, which had a lot of room for optimization still, but with some more investment Sandstorm Visage skyrockets the dps even further. With all the aoe available to sabo and carcass jack, each brand was pretty much screenwide too, so I could with certainty that each one was hitting and shotgunning. Really fun stuff.
@YPchicken it also means that unless you use some OP gloves or helmet you are forced to use a 2h weapon because you lost your chest 6L. Also, trigger crafts also show up on daggers and maces and stuff, not just wands. You basically only need an unveiled trigger and a crafted trigger. Getting a good unveiled weapon will be hard by a crafted one is easy, you just need a free prefix.
So the chest in this example is most importantly providing 80% brand recall CDR. Brand recall already has 158% CDR on Sabo and 228% CDR on Hiero, with just ashes+passives. Using the formula for CDR and cooldown, the chest gives 31% more activations on Sabo and 24% more activations on Hiero. That might be worth it on a build that ONLY deals damage through recalling, but probably isn't worth the chest slot otherwise.
At that point you are getting so little from the CDR that you are probably better off using a replica dragonflight for armageddon brand for more damage. Unless your goal is to just spam the brand recall as much as possible, then yeah go ham with that
This use case seems like it would work well with Surgeon General's Eye of Winter Brand Recall Triggerbot build, albeit you'd have to give up the defensive Loreweave + Eternal Damnation combo it uses. He also chose to go Assassin for more damage scaling, but you can do the build just as well (and cheaper cos of no Forbidden jewels!) by sticking with the Saboteur setup, especially if you go non-crit with it. That said I'm rather doubtful it's worth it given all the defensive power you're giving up just to scale the cooldown recovery.
Great vid with great info! I’ve always been amazed at what people can come up with. I wouldn’t doubt a version of this would make for a great BoTW if GGG makes one soon. I’ve been loving this league, more than others. I’ve been having a blast after coming to the realization that zero investment or low investment strats on low maps like the T7/T11 strat that became popular…. Now there’s even zero investment fully scoured white map T1 strats that are lucrative. This opened up a whole new approach to using builds in the past that went the way of abandoned builds or just used for a bit for leveling while I farm out the gear for a heavy hitter that can handle T16’s at full juice. I have a blast with making use of HoT Autobomber at full speed. The most fun I’ve had with it since it’s lucrative where it is; in lower maps. I’m clearing maps so fast since it’s explody and there isn’t much danger since HoTAB is very squishy. Not something u can throw together without huge investment to be viable in higher content. So there’s this meta for these builds and it’s awesome getting to use the build where in the past it’s been a wish to be able to keep using it. I made and tested all the PBrand variants and I’m now burnt out on brands for now. Though since I have the gear I might play around with what u show in the vid. Thanks for the good stuff!
The better version of this setup goes Assassin with Perfect Crime forbidden jewels to grant triggerbots. You socket brand recall into a +3 sup trigger weapon with enhance and empower. The trigger doubles the recall without any damage penalty for essentially double the dps of a heiro. You also get the benefit of being able to use a good body armor. I've taken the build to ubers so the dps is decent enough. Just ends up being a clunky build because it's fully dependent on the recall to deal damage. You can't just zoom, and if you try to you would really need a good source of phasing. So it's great for bossing, bad for everything else.
Nobody uses it with brand recall because it's terrible. With ashes, empower 4, enhance 4 and brand recall 7, and 205fcr from the tree, you get +359% cdr. The armor with +1gem only adds 64cdr, so you can cast 64/459=14% more often. You can get so much better from a body armor.
I love your "one at a time" explanations, it makes it so easy to understand and absorb knowledge. Thanks to you, I know a lot more about poe than i did a month prior, and I doubt I'd have gained as much knowledge in a month without you.
Yeah there's quite a few options, Squire, Shako as you've mentioned, you could use a staff on the Hiero version, or an essence crafted Elder helmet for a pseudo 6 link. It's a fun body armour to look at all the options you could explore!
I feel that this could be interesting for the Eye of winter - Nimis - triggerbot build (at least the spellslinger setup), although that may destroy your defenses?
still playing , trying out some of the new gems or things buffed by wildwood ascendancies like life stacking. friend got into poe for the first time so teaching him some basics
That's cool. Was wondering wth that chest could be used for, I binned it and didn't look back. Might be something to play around with after penance gets nuked back into complete uselessness.
Yeah Penance is probably going to get a pretty heavy handed nerf next league, justified I think considering how strong it is right now but it might just be terrible after that, we'll have to wait and see!
on maw of mischief with the new spectre that respawns it is insane, you can hit dotcap prety easily with it, you just need to link spectra and minion life, and if you have a lvl 4 empower you can link it aswell
This may be a really cool addition to Wardloop builds, which could have a 6-link brand inside of Annihilating light and brand recall in body armor. Since brand recall is instant cast, one wouldn't need to add CWDT to it, but the setup would keep 7 brands active at all times, maintaining the walking simulator style. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It's a bit heavy on uniques but you can definitely use a cast on ignite setup instead (eye of innocence+ngamahu sign) because the brand lasts a fairly long time.
@@NathanielKuros Cause each brand triggers the spell, then the bots double that. So with 7 brands, you essentially get 14 brands casting spells at the location of the bots (which is usually at the enemy) on every recall.
heirophant ends up being a walking simulator but spellslinger still needs to attack. Just ends up being personal preference I feel, like the optimal solution for the heiro setup is probably inquisotor with heirophant forbidden jewels so that you actually get some damage scaling. Though sabotuer is still a really good option and probably the best
I did a Triggerbot Arcanist Brand Spark, since Arcanist brand counts as a trigger. Wonder how it would work with this tech triggering Brand recall, would that be *2 Brand recalls *2 casts from Arca brand? I need to do some testing damn it!
just note on the saboteur version, the brands triggering from the triggerbots instead of you is a downside, it makes the clear very clunky since you relly heavly on convocation during mapping or else you leave a bunhc of mobs behind
You onetap every pack, with some aoe (mostly from saboteur +. Arma brand of recall which has 0.2 bigger base radius) it went smooth for me.... Completed atlas this league with it
Biggest problem with this and the reason why in practice this would feel bad (atleast for mapping) is that you still need to put your brands out manually. so you put out 7 brands, recall like 4-5 times. then your back to casting 7 brands etc. not sure if thats really worth it.
It's not that bad. The Remarkable cluster jewel notable gives you a 35% chance to place 2 brands instead of one per cast, and you can trivially stack 3 of them to get 2 brands per cast. That takes you down from 7 casts to 4. Add Spell Echo to your brand links, and now it's 2 casts to make 7 brands. While mapping, it's unlikely that you need this many brands at once though, so this is largely an optimization for bosses and on bosses they have immunity phases you can precast the brands in so it isn't a significant issue
This is no different to any other brand build and they feel fine for mapping. You do need to cast brands a lot but its like 1 brand per screen. You dont need all 7 brands ticking to clear the map, if you do then your dps is shit and you have bigger issues than just map clear
Question, would uul-netol's vow not be better than ashes esp now after the nerf? Unless it's so minuscule there is no point and it's better to just stick with ashes
That would only give you one level because ashes gives you 1 anyways and you are missing out on 1 level and 30 quality for the rest of your skills so no
Recall gains 8% CDR per gem level, and 1% CDR per quality, so Ashes(at 30%) grants 38% CDR. In the setup where you only socket Pragmatism with Recall, you could place a level 4 Empower or Enhance in Uul Netol's Vow(both grant 24% CDR)
I've been trying so hard to make something work with blood & sand (and its ilk) for days but I can't really come up with anything. For reference B&S turns in to 25% MORE damage or AOE when slotted in to Pragmatism as-is (26% if you have a +1 socketed gems corruption)
For eblade, you only gain flat, so either you use it as an extra aura without es investment, but in that case you lose the body armour and weapons for ~400 flat damage, so in most cases it's not worth it. And you need enough es to cast it. And for actual es stacking it's worse because either you lose utula's or ivory tower.
how are you playing energy blade without a decent es chest ...? Like 95% of your ES pool is the chest, typically an ivory tower. Also all that does is make it so energy blade steals less of your ES, but the lack of a real chest means you'd have lower ES overall anyway
@@dreamcore_gg Ok lets math it out - lvl 17 gem with 20Q will have 128%gem lvl+20%qual=148increased CDR VS crest of desire lets say +8 and mid roll 40% will have 7+8=15 gem = 112%gem+60%qual=172% increased CDR - and you don't sacrifice body armour and 6link, so yeah ...
@@TheSenit I didn't say that crest was worse, you said crest is probably better which is why there's only one guy playing it, which is why I linked the stats on how many players are using crest + recall - also one. Crest is and has been a great item for this sort of thing for a long while, but pragmatism has other things going for it, like the empower/enhance setup with the corrupt implicit, or spellslinger for the saboteur variant.
not if you play a trigger wand with your main damage skill linked with the squire making it a 6L. It means that if you have brand recall on your walking button you will trigger everything automatically
There's definitely a bit of clunkiness there, you'll want to be scaling duration up a bit and you can consider using some medium clusters with Chip Away & Remarkable so that you have some double brand cast chance and even more CDR on recall
I struggle to see how this playstyle is better than just recasting the brands with a decent cast speed, just feels more clunky and requires more management / attention to play it.
When the brands attach you deal one, at most 2 brands damage at the same time, recasting the brand doesn't make it hit any faster. When you brand recall you can overlap all 7 or 8 brands at the same time and deal bursts of massive damage.
@@MrReaperAOD Thanks for explaining! I wonder if there is anything that can be done to turn it into a kind of autobomb, that's my laziness showing haha
@@deveyous6614 you don't need anything for that. Brand Recall has no cast time, just put it on the mouse button and every time you walk, it will go off.
@@deveyous6614 the brands still have like a 7 second duration or whatever so you need to cast them often. It's nothing close to an autobomber. This is primarily for burst damage on bosses. Your mapping playstyle is going to look the same as any other brand build
you definitely want to be a saboteur (or get forbidden flame and flesh) for this, because brand recall can allow for shotgunning, having triggerbots through perfect crime allows you to get twice as many brands recalled on top of you.
With arcanist brand it's even more broken. Especially with arcanist brand + eye of winter that can be socketed in a pseudo 6link in gloves and nimis. SIngle target is stupid, trigger cascade + retrun proj and enough proj speed is insane for both clear and single target. Beware of your GPU tho because it's a shit show.
There is nothing that "insane" with this unique. If you use 4 sockets, it's strictly worse than Dialla's (which also gives +4 from main skill and Empower in main sockets). It's a good low investment body armour to start maps or even Act 6 with.
Except: -Dialla's is comparatively more expensive (90c for an uncorrupted, no 6L one, compared to pragmatism only requiring 2-4 sockets at 5c) -Pragmatism has up to 1.2K armour and up to 100 mana -You don't need empower unless it's LV 4+ to gain a benefit on pragmatism (6+ div) -2 levels increasing CDRR by 16% means you also need LV 4+ enhance for any benefit on pragmatism (9+ div) -what would you even 6L in a Brand Recall Dialla setup? Spellslinger, Empower, Enhance, then what? You could 2L another thing I guess Yes, diallas might have a higher ceiling due to +2ing empower and enhance, but it's much cheaper to just go with 2L brand recall - spellslinger on pragmatism with competitive results (since CDRR has diminishing returns)
For the single socket setup it is yep, but you can't do the slinger tech with crest, and the setup with the corrupted pragmatism with empower/enhance 4 is better than a perfect crest(which is also very expensive). Of course, losing body armour is a big deal, as I mentioned in the video
No offense i love your videos. Youre a genius, but you’re incorrect, it is impossible to get +12 to gems they way they have built this unique, at max you would get only +10 to gems because that first gem counts. I only tried it out the first time i got it as a drop from KOTM around 3 weeks ago but i didnt see any patch notes indicating any changes.
To be honest I'm a bit confused as to what you're referring to, at no point in the video do I say that the unique grants a single gem 12 levels. At the start of the video I read the modifiers exactly as they appear on the body armour, then provide an example of a normal 6 link gaining 12 gems levels from the first modifier and losing 12 gem levels from the second(6 socketed gems = -12 gem levels). I'm very aware that a single gem gains 10 levels when socketed, as you can see the first time I talk about Brand Recall, I mention that a level 7 Brand Recall socketed in Pragmatism will gain 10 levels and be level 17 (2:00)
Better Option IMO: Get any shield from Divided Temple (Vix Lunaris, Invictus Solaris, Magna Eclipsis) with a +1 socketed gems corruption. You now get +3 to all socketed gems. You get +3 to the Brand Recall vs +6 like you do with Pragmatism , but the 3 levels you add to both the Empower and Enhance make up for it for the same total CDR, and you get to keep your 6l Chest slot!
Adding levels to Empower, Enhance, or Brand Recall are all interchangable. You get 8% CDR no matter which you increase. Below are the total levels you add with each option:
Uncorrupted Pragmatism: +6 (6 to Recall)
Corrupted Pragmatism: +9 (7 to recall, 1 each to supports)
Uncorrupted Shield: +6 (2 each to Recall and both supports)
Corrupted Shield: +9 (3 each to Recall and both supports)
Also works with viridi's veil, which is a very strong defensive option anyways
People should understand that the chars on poeninja are not all the chars in the league.Only if they want to be indexed they will.
Note on the Saboteur version (I have played this build as leaguestarter all the way to quest Eater/Exarch), the build has a lot of jankiness in it due to triggerbots often being stuck behind walls or on cliffs especiallly if you frostblink/flamedash through those walls and cliffs. Because the Brand Recall will be casted on the triggerbots' position, you won't be able to kill any mobs on your side until you run far enough to despawn the triggerbots to your position. Testing with *convocation needed for this. You are also bound to triggerbots' whims as they sometimes run to random mob packs, leaving you vulnerable to mob packs that are in your immediate vicinity. I think Hierophant is the more consistent, solid option for this (also because Hiero builds defense easier)
The best use case for the Saboteur version is Pinnacle fights or boss rushing. Boss rushing maps for this league is Park/City Square, of which bosses are on open ground, so the build does well there.
I'd agree the Sabo version is definitely much better suited for bossing. I wish they would improve the Triggerbot AI/movespeed or at least provide a skill on the notable itself which is basically just convocation but for the triggerbots only so you don't lose a socket. They could also give the triggerbots the same 'tech' that some floating minion type units have so they can freely move up/down terrain, it would make the playstyle so much better
@@dreamcore_gg Trigger bots -> drones. I like that
convocation.
Plaguebearer is another skill that benefits really mostly from levels.
I don't know why I didn't think of this. A 21/23 plague bearer in this chest piece would be hilarious
Deaths Oath at home
more like Deaths Oath at a 5 star restaurant. Deaths oath is really really bad. Sadly@@GenesisAkaG
@@snaxximan5737 Death's oath isn't that bad. I killed maven with Death's Oath in Kalandra and had no problems with the coked out arch nemesis rares. I'm not aware of any nerfs either since then.
@@xursed7990 since its usualy played with divine flesh we lost chaos dot per chaos res multi from chaos mastery as well as undocumented no more max chaos res on quivers nerf
This new armor is nuts, like a Crest of Desire for the body slot. Thanks for sharing these cool interactions. Also, if you're asking how the league is going, I somehow dropped a whole mirror while leveling my first character in yellow maps. First one I've seen in like 3000 hrs of playing. So I bought my first mageblood and have been having a blast.
Daaamn congrats dude, I've never seen a mirror drop myself.. one day, eh? 😆
@@dreamcore_gg hey, if it could happen to me, it could happen to anyone. I'm never gonna win the real world lottery, but maybe the poe lottery once in while ain't so bad.
So what did you do with the other 700 div after you bought a mageblood 😂
You can reach Lv 81 spectres if you only slot them in, losing 2 lvls each time you add a support for whatever reason.
You can have lv 90 bone archer corpses with Unearth.
Just with the body armour.
Do with that info what you will
I like the idea that the real neato had using spellslinger and a ball lightning of static pretty legit
I get 1.122 cd with a trigger weapon. The trick is that, if I have a second brand recall in a crafter trigger weapon (1 with 4cd, another with 8), every 2 casts I cast double, so with 7 brands, every 1.122s I cast 7 brands, and every 2 casts I cast 28 brands. Given the numbers, you do 1.2121 effective casts per second (14 brands is a effective cast), and mine does 1.32, simply because whatever the 4s wands trigger rate is, I then multiply it by 1.5 to account for the double casts. IDK if it's a bug but yeah, both brands recalls have separate cooldowns and trigger separately. Bonus, I can trigger them casting the brand itself, no need to mix wand attacks. Cool idea but weaker than what we had before.
I did that exact build as my starter this league. Was lotsa fun, got a +2 duration carcass jack since they're relatively cheap and brands have a duration tag. Did some tainted currency crafting once I could afford it to 6-link it, but it was strong as hell even before that. When I was done, I got to 550k per brand on PoB with my non-crit version using EO, which had a lot of room for optimization still, but with some more investment Sandstorm Visage skyrockets the dps even further. With all the aoe available to sabo and carcass jack, each brand was pretty much screenwide too, so I could with certainty that each one was hitting and shotgunning. Really fun stuff.
Sounds cool! Mind sharing a pob?
Going the route with pragmatism means you don't need to use 2 wands which opens up your options somewhat
@YPchicken it also means that unless you use some OP gloves or helmet you are forced to use a 2h weapon because you lost your chest 6L. Also, trigger crafts also show up on daggers and maces and stuff, not just wands. You basically only need an unveiled trigger and a crafted trigger. Getting a good unveiled weapon will be hard by a crafted one is easy, you just need a free prefix.
You need to always bare in mind that crest of desire exist and you give upo body armour vs helmet slot
So the chest in this example is most importantly providing 80% brand recall CDR. Brand recall already has 158% CDR on Sabo and 228% CDR on Hiero, with just ashes+passives.
Using the formula for CDR and cooldown, the chest gives 31% more activations on Sabo and 24% more activations on Hiero. That might be worth it on a build that ONLY deals damage through recalling, but probably isn't worth the chest slot otherwise.
I'd agree with this, you'd absolutely be going all in on damage from recalling or it wouldn't be worth it
I think Triggerbots mostly relies on recall.
Hard to beat ashes but there is a replica dragon flight for brand recall
At that point you are getting so little from the CDR that you are probably better off using a replica dragonflight for armageddon brand for more damage. Unless your goal is to just spam the brand recall as much as possible, then yeah go ham with that
uul-netols vow as well
iv'e been trying so hard to make a decent arma brand of recall, you just unlocked my imagination with this thanks for the good work as always
Check out the mine effect stacking tech
Pyroclast mine of sabotage also works well in the chest unless you prefer March of the legion boots.
This use case seems like it would work well with Surgeon General's Eye of Winter Brand Recall Triggerbot build, albeit you'd have to give up the defensive Loreweave + Eternal Damnation combo it uses. He also chose to go Assassin for more damage scaling, but you can do the build just as well (and cheaper cos of no Forbidden jewels!) by sticking with the Saboteur setup, especially if you go non-crit with it. That said I'm rather doubtful it's worth it given all the defensive power you're giving up just to scale the cooldown recovery.
Just put brand recall in crest of desire instead
Great vid with great info! I’ve always been amazed at what people can come up with. I wouldn’t doubt a version of this would make for a great BoTW if GGG makes one soon.
I’ve been loving this league, more than others. I’ve been having a blast after coming to the realization that zero investment or low investment strats on low maps like the T7/T11 strat that became popular…. Now there’s even zero investment fully scoured white map T1 strats that are lucrative. This opened up a whole new approach to using builds in the past that went the way of abandoned builds or just used for a bit for leveling while I farm out the gear for a heavy hitter that can handle T16’s at full juice. I have a blast with making use of HoT Autobomber at full speed. The most fun I’ve had with it since it’s lucrative where it is; in lower maps. I’m clearing maps so fast since it’s explody and there isn’t much danger since HoTAB is very squishy. Not something u can throw together without huge investment to be viable in higher content. So there’s this meta for these builds and it’s awesome getting to use the build where in the past it’s been a wish to be able to keep using it. I made and tested all the PBrand variants and I’m now burnt out on brands for now. Though since I have the gear I might play around with what u show in the vid. Thanks for the good stuff!
The better version of this setup goes Assassin with Perfect Crime forbidden jewels to grant triggerbots. You socket brand recall into a +3 sup trigger weapon with enhance and empower. The trigger doubles the recall without any damage penalty for essentially double the dps of a heiro. You also get the benefit of being able to use a good body armor. I've taken the build to ubers so the dps is decent enough. Just ends up being a clunky build because it's fully dependent on the recall to deal damage. You can't just zoom, and if you try to you would really need a good source of phasing. So it's great for bossing, bad for everything else.
Nobody uses it with brand recall because it's terrible. With ashes, empower 4, enhance 4 and brand recall 7, and 205fcr from the tree, you get +359% cdr. The armor with +1gem only adds 64cdr, so you can cast 64/459=14% more often. You can get so much better from a body armor.
arcanist brand + blade vortex too. will give you tons of blades for blade blast of unloading
I love your "one at a time" explanations, it makes it so easy to understand and absorb knowledge. Thanks to you, I know a lot more about poe than i did a month prior, and I doubt I'd have gained as much knowledge in a month without you.
Appreciate that, glad you're enjoying the vids!
Absolutely insane and really cool with a new skill gem!!! Subscribed! Definitely screams going squire shield with 1h for main links to compensate.
I think you can go with squire stuff for the brand or use a good forbidden shako for some stuff.
The first thing I had in mind: Arc😅
Yeah there's quite a few options, Squire, Shako as you've mentioned, you could use a staff on the Hiero version, or an essence crafted Elder helmet for a pseudo 6 link. It's a fun body armour to look at all the options you could explore!
I feel that this could be interesting for the Eye of winter - Nimis - triggerbot build (at least the spellslinger setup), although that may destroy your defenses?
still playing , trying out some of the new gems or things buffed by wildwood ascendancies like life stacking. friend got into poe for the first time so teaching him some basics
That's cool. Was wondering wth that chest could be used for, I binned it and didn't look back.
Might be something to play around with after penance gets nuked back into complete uselessness.
Yeah Penance is probably going to get a pretty heavy handed nerf next league, justified I think considering how strong it is right now but it might just be terrible after that, we'll have to wait and see!
on maw of mischief with the new spectre that respawns it is insane, you can hit dotcap prety easily with it, you just need to link spectra and minion life, and if you have a lvl 4 empower you can link it aswell
Barely touched affliction, just for the charm slots. Then ive been shown the light that is sanctum
This may be a really cool addition to Wardloop builds, which could have a 6-link brand inside of Annihilating light and brand recall in body armor. Since brand recall is instant cast, one wouldn't need to add CWDT to it, but the setup would keep 7 brands active at all times, maintaining the walking simulator style. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
granted, it would be very hard to replace skin of lords...
nevermind. i did some theory crafting on PoB and the nerfs to wardloops make skin of the lords totally essential.
It's a bit heavy on uniques but you can definitely use a cast on ignite setup instead (eye of innocence+ngamahu sign) because the brand lasts a fairly long time.
@@satibel good idea, didn't think of that
@@chandlergordon8878 tbh it might work as a chieftain, though you lose phys damage conversion from coil or the fire one
Triggerbot + arcanist brand (6 link or wand/dagger + The Squire)
Just socket any hard hitting spell in arcanist and proceed to lay waste.
I'm intrigued, could you tell me more? I'm having difficulty understanding why arcanist brand being triggered by the bots aould be so good.
@@NathanielKuros Cause each brand triggers the spell, then the bots double that. So with 7 brands, you essentially get 14 brands casting spells at the location of the bots (which is usually at the enemy) on every recall.
currently using this for exsanguinate gem and doingpretty well. Exsanguinate scales pretty good with gem level
Could you do a set up where you've got cast on channel set up for brands, then CODT for the recall?
I think the ability to trigger each brand twice and not having to melee is worth the spellslinger setup any day instead of the hierophant setup
heirophant ends up being a walking simulator but spellslinger still needs to attack. Just ends up being personal preference I feel, like the optimal solution for the heiro setup is probably inquisotor with heirophant forbidden jewels so that you actually get some damage scaling. Though sabotuer is still a really good option and probably the best
Using this chest with animate weapon and Jorrhast's Blacksteel and the amulet/ empower /enhance how many weapons could you animate?
I did a Triggerbot Arcanist Brand Spark, since Arcanist brand counts as a trigger. Wonder how it would work with this tech triggering Brand recall, would that be *2 Brand recalls *2 casts from Arca brand? I need to do some testing damn it!
just note on the saboteur version, the brands triggering from the triggerbots instead of you is a downside, it makes the clear very clunky since you relly heavly on convocation during mapping or else you leave a bunhc of mobs behind
I could see it being clunky for mapping indeed, but it's absolutely an upside for bossing
You onetap every pack, with some aoe (mostly from saboteur +. Arma brand of recall which has 0.2 bigger base radius) it went smooth for me.... Completed atlas this league with it
What other skills don't need support skills but benefit from levels?
Crest of desire will give exactly the same gem level but better quality with your setup also you can wear diallas for your 6link setup
Cant have enhance and empower though
@@doomsday7699 enhance makes +1 empower makes +30 qual
I played this exact iteration the league that triggerbots came out. It is a bit clunky compared to just cast on left click brand recall though
is it possible to refresh brands duration with brand recall?
Maybe slot your Brand in Thunderfist?
I’m still playing man, last league I quit day 3 because I dislike league mechanic but this league still gaming.
did u compare it with diala setup?
Biggest problem with this and the reason why in practice this would feel bad (atleast for mapping) is that you still need to put your brands out manually.
so you put out 7 brands, recall like 4-5 times. then your back to casting 7 brands etc. not sure if thats really worth it.
It's not that bad. The Remarkable cluster jewel notable gives you a 35% chance to place 2 brands instead of one per cast, and you can trivially stack 3 of them to get 2 brands per cast. That takes you down from 7 casts to 4. Add Spell Echo to your brand links, and now it's 2 casts to make 7 brands. While mapping, it's unlikely that you need this many brands at once though, so this is largely an optimization for bosses and on bosses they have immunity phases you can precast the brands in so it isn't a significant issue
This is no different to any other brand build and they feel fine for mapping. You do need to cast brands a lot but its like 1 brand per screen. You dont need all 7 brands ticking to clear the map, if you do then your dps is shit and you have bigger issues than just map clear
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ua-cam.com/video/NuJc95wGsZg/v-deo.html
but how much damage does it Armageddon Brand do?
Can the gem also make sure of other CDR sources like The Flow Untethered or CDR on boots? I wonder if this interaction has actual potential.
Yes it will take on all normal CDR too
+2 aoe +1 socketed for +2 levels aswell. +1 from ashes, + 2 on wands
Recall doesn't have an aoe tag, but +1 all spell gem wands would work
Oh mb.
Question, would uul-netol's vow not be better than ashes esp now after the nerf? Unless it's so minuscule there is no point and it's better to just stick with ashes
That would only give you one level because ashes gives you 1 anyways and you are missing out on 1 level and 30 quality for the rest of your skills so no
Recall gains 8% CDR per gem level, and 1% CDR per quality, so Ashes(at 30%) grants 38% CDR. In the setup where you only socket Pragmatism with Recall, you could place a level 4 Empower or Enhance in Uul Netol's Vow(both grant 24% CDR)
But is it really that much better than using a Crest of Desire? That's +8 level and +50% quality.
Crest is better, but a perfect crest is very expensive
I've been trying so hard to make something work with blood & sand (and its ilk) for days but I can't really come up with anything.
For reference B&S turns in to 25% MORE damage or AOE when slotted in to Pragmatism as-is (26% if you have a +1 socketed gems corruption)
I looked at B&S too but I didn't come up with anything yet either 😆
It's just a dmg multiplier it doesn't really enable anything
Animate Guardian+Minion Health.
Another banger of a video, thank you!
Appreciate that!
How about ull nethol vowl xD? with awakened empower or enhance ?
Interested to try the triggerbot set up for the mini meteor dunking but I haven't found the chest in SSF yet
it's clunky as hell, you the dmg is great but doesn't feels moth at all even with the extra cdr
I believe this would also work with the uul netol amulet as well right?
It works yes, but it's worse - gem levels for recall provide 8% cdr each, and quality provides 1% cdr per percent, so it's hard to beat ashes
Wouldn't a Replica Dragonfangs Flight with +3 Brand Recall be better than ashes for this?
Sadly not, gem levels provide 8% cdr per level, quality provides 1% cdr per percent
Doesnt a min roll crest of desire make this completely irrelevant?
i tried it with heirophant, but not to the extent that you went to. It was alright, not that great. meteor storm of pelting still did a lot more dmg
+5 staff with +2 to spell? it does buff it.
ull nutols vow is also an idea
Would his work with arcanist brand? I can imagine arcanist brand casting eyes of winter
It would indeed! Careful it doesn't fry your PC though!
exactly the first question that came to my mind but i had more of a firestorm of meteor approach
What about corrupting fever?
Okay, but Energy Blade? Can only really have meaningful support from Empower/Enhance anyway...
For eblade, you only gain flat, so either you use it as an extra aura without es investment, but in that case you lose the body armour and weapons for ~400 flat damage, so in most cases it's not worth it. And you need enough es to cast it.
And for actual es stacking it's worse because either you lose utula's or ivory tower.
how are you playing energy blade without a decent es chest ...? Like 95% of your ES pool is the chest, typically an ivory tower. Also all that does is make it so energy blade steals less of your ES, but the lack of a real chest means you'd have lower ES overall anyway
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A trigger weapon should work without the spellslinger too
But then Recall is in your weapon links, not Pragmatism
@@dreamcore_gg right sorry, sleeping
+8 Crest of desire is probably better for this usecase - that why only one guy is plying it
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@@dreamcore_gg Ok lets math it out - lvl 17 gem with 20Q will have 128%gem lvl+20%qual=148increased CDR VS crest of desire lets say +8 and mid roll 40% will have 7+8=15 gem = 112%gem+60%qual=172% increased CDR - and you don't sacrifice body armour and 6link, so yeah ...
@@TheSenit I didn't say that crest was worse, you said crest is probably better which is why there's only one guy playing it, which is why I linked the stats on how many players are using crest + recall - also one. Crest is and has been a great item for this sort of thing for a long while, but pragmatism has other things going for it, like the empower/enhance setup with the corrupt implicit, or spellslinger for the saboteur variant.
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Oh wait herald of thunder?
This is just worse CDR than crest of desire for the same setup, it gets 182% CDR compared to 148%
So whats the Damage lets say with a 20 divine investment?
I haven't played it yet, you could check out this guide: ua-cam.com/video/64DDd1T_fQw/v-deo.html
add empower???
What about replica dragonfang flight for another +3 lvl
It's decent but not comparable to Ashes. Gem levels grant 8% CDR each, and quality grants 1% CDR per quality
Brand Recall is still clunky to use since they took away the ability for brand recall to refresh brand duration.
not if you play a trigger wand with your main damage skill linked with the squire making it a 6L.
It means that if you have brand recall on your walking button you will trigger everything automatically
There's definitely a bit of clunkiness there, you'll want to be scaling duration up a bit and you can consider using some medium clusters with Chip Away & Remarkable so that you have some double brand cast chance and even more CDR on recall
If they had a transfigured version of brand that increaswd the mana multiplier but refreshed the brands I would 100% use it.
Your videos are great
now someone make new build with this XD
I struggle to see how this playstyle is better than just recasting the brands with a decent cast speed, just feels more clunky and requires more management / attention to play it.
When the brands attach you deal one, at most 2 brands damage at the same time, recasting the brand doesn't make it hit any faster.
When you brand recall you can overlap all 7 or 8 brands at the same time and deal bursts of massive damage.
@@MrReaperAOD Thanks for explaining! I wonder if there is anything that can be done to turn it into a kind of autobomb, that's my laziness showing haha
@@deveyous6614 you don't need anything for that. Brand Recall has no cast time, just put it on the mouse button and every time you walk, it will go off.
@@thomasgoodwill o wow, sounds like potential for a poor mans / low cost autobomber...kinda...ill have to give it a go next season!
@@deveyous6614 the brands still have like a 7 second duration or whatever so you need to cast them often. It's nothing close to an autobomber. This is primarily for burst damage on bosses. Your mapping playstyle is going to look the same as any other brand build
why not just use Crest of Desire then?
you definitely want to be a saboteur (or get forbidden flame and flesh) for this, because brand recall can allow for shotgunning, having triggerbots through perfect crime allows you to get twice as many brands recalled on top of you.
like he showcased in the video
Aoe overlap =/= shotgunning. Shotgunning was removed yeears ago.
With arcanist brand it's even more broken.
Especially with arcanist brand + eye of winter that can be socketed in a pseudo 6link in gloves and nimis.
SIngle target is stupid, trigger cascade + retrun proj and enough proj speed is insane for both clear and single target. Beware of your GPU tho because it's a shit show.
Hahaha i was about to say, I'd use this if it didn't melt my PC
There is nothing that "insane" with this unique. If you use 4 sockets, it's strictly worse than Dialla's (which also gives +4 from main skill and Empower in main sockets). It's a good low investment body armour to start maps or even Act 6 with.
Didn’t watch the video, did you?
Except:
-Dialla's is comparatively more expensive (90c for an uncorrupted, no 6L one, compared to pragmatism only requiring 2-4 sockets at 5c)
-Pragmatism has up to 1.2K armour and up to 100 mana
-You don't need empower unless it's LV 4+ to gain a benefit on pragmatism (6+ div)
-2 levels increasing CDRR by 16% means you also need LV 4+ enhance for any benefit on pragmatism (9+ div)
-what would you even 6L in a Brand Recall Dialla setup? Spellslinger, Empower, Enhance, then what? You could 2L another thing I guess
Yes, diallas might have a higher ceiling due to +2ing empower and enhance, but it's much cheaper to just go with 2L brand recall - spellslinger on pragmatism with competitive results (since CDRR has diminishing returns)
Who cares man, you clearly don’t like to experiment and try new things. Wish you the best.
But he's not exactly wrong, but not right for the reason he thinks. I think the midnight above explained it far more in depth and accurately.
Bodyswap build: say what?
But like, hear me out: crest of desire is just better
For the single socket setup it is yep, but you can't do the slinger tech with crest, and the setup with the corrupted pragmatism with empower/enhance 4 is better than a perfect crest(which is also very expensive). Of course, losing body armour is a big deal, as I mentioned in the video
Waiting for gauntlet. This league became too much of a fuck fest at some point. Lots of items lost value
wow so INSANE i think its INSANE every youtube thinks everything is INSANE the word is like crack to them
If you get 6 socketed dem -2 per socket meaning you only get 6+ gem lvl up socket nothink special about this is trash
It's +12 gem levels, -2 per socketed, so 1 socketed gem = +10 levels, 6 socketed gems would be no additional levels
Why would someone wait for that gay Zizaran? :D
maybe practice reading off your script because-you-kind-of-sound-like-this-each-word-is-almost-said-with-a-pause
No offense i love your videos. Youre a genius, but you’re incorrect, it is impossible to get +12 to gems they way they have built this unique, at max you would get only +10 to gems because that first gem counts. I only tried it out the first time i got it as a drop from KOTM around 3 weeks ago but i didnt see any patch notes indicating any changes.
To be honest I'm a bit confused as to what you're referring to, at no point in the video do I say that the unique grants a single gem 12 levels. At the start of the video I read the modifiers exactly as they appear on the body armour, then provide an example of a normal 6 link gaining 12 gems levels from the first modifier and losing 12 gem levels from the second(6 socketed gems = -12 gem levels). I'm very aware that a single gem gains 10 levels when socketed, as you can see the first time I talk about Brand Recall, I mention that a level 7 Brand Recall socketed in Pragmatism will gain 10 levels and be level 17 (2:00)