The Classic Sonic Era: Part 2 (1996-1998) | GEEK CRITIQUE
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2014
- The ultimate classic Sonic retrospective, complete at last! Featuring YOUR questions as well as Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic R, Knuckles Chaotix, Tails Adventure, and even Sonic 3D Blast! Spinoffs and spinballs and Jams, oh my!
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Geek Critique, you should review sonic generations or maybe something like SA2(sonic adventure 2)
You should try Sonic 3D Blast DX, fixed a lot of problems the original game had.
What the flicky happened to your audio towards the end of the video. It just slowly degraded into total inaudibility
at 15:13 I thought my headphones broke lmao
Same
yeah lol
Same here lol I ran to the comments as soon as it came in! 😅
What happened to the audio & why did it get weird and gross in the last minute?
Seriously, why the hell is the audio mixing on this two-parter so garbage? First the background music is drowning out the voiceover half the time and then it just craps out.
Just so you know, original director of this game has compiled a Director's Cut of Sonic 3D Blast. It's an almost-official romhack that fixes many of the problems with the game - there is a level select, speed shoes are actually useful, and most importantly - Flickies form an invincible shield around you and you can't lose them, making collecting them feel more rewarding and less of a pain. There's also a time attack mode, there's actually Super Sonic in the game, controls are less annoying...
Can I get a link or name to it?
@@knee-deepin-doot8742 ua-cam.com/video/5nBeppQgFGw/v-deo.html - video has link to Steam Workshop version, and to ROM patch (you will need a ROM file for Genesis version of Sonic3D Blast, and a DeltaPatcher utility.)
Just so you know, Sonic World was the original prototype for Sonic Adventure, until they decided to remake the whole game for the upcoming Dreamcast. They didn't want the original prototype to disappear, so they put it in Sonic jam, without anybody knowing it was the prototype for an upcoming game!
Hearing Josh just gush about how much he loves Sonic R is by far my favorite thing I've ever experienced on the Internet.
Sonic R's sound track is godly.
Im loving these critiques, but did you notice when you started reviewing Sonic Jam, your audio quality just kinda... died? This was probably youtube's doing though at some point.
Yeah, I thought I was the only one.
It seems that UA-cam gave him the option to remove copywritten content through audio being altered or having the whole video taken down.
Can confirm, I saw this when it was new and had no memory of this happening. (Don't ask why I bothered to rewatch these now lol)
@@Alienrun yeah I also rewatch his reviews a lot
@@yeeeeehaaaaaw me too, it's not strange
Knuckles Chaotix was a weird game. I give them credit for trying to mix things up but it didn't work.
It's a shame Tails Adventures didn't start its own sub-series.
SeekerLancer Chaotix could have been just fine with better level design. The combi-ring itself works really well once you get the hang of it. And I agree, Tails Adventures is the kind of game that seems to set a good base for future titles. I think SEGA pulling out of the portable market the next year was the reason it never got one.
The Geek Critique I get the feeling the combi-ring may have been a reason the level design ended up so bland. The prototypes and unused sprites suggest that a lot of standard Sonic gimmicks would have been used originally, but they couldn't make it work with the physics. Add to that it being rushed before they could even try fine tuning it that much.
Christopher Blair and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles and knuckles
@@GeekCritique You would appreciate chaotix much more if you try to play It as It's own game gameplay wise.
I wish more was done with Tails in the Sonic games...
" it makes my earholes feel good "
He was right. They really did find mighty when mania came out. Lol
I'm one of the people who's playing Sonic because of you. Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
In sonic jam can you play sonic 3 and sonic and nuckels or sonic cd????
Victoria vigeick Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, and all its variations are in Jam. Sonic CD is not.
Just to make sure I meant sonic and nuckels with sonic 3 combined
Victoria vigeick Yes, you can. And it's the best version available.
The last bit about wanting to combat the revisionism regarding classic sonic games having "never been good"...I couldn't agree more, and your efforts indeed show why that stance has no merit. Great work, man.
Sonic the Fighters, I remember playing that in the 90s after the Gameworks opened in Seattle. I was so pissed it never got a Saturn port as a kid because I loved Sonic and Virtua Fighter.
Chatham Seattle Gameworks? Just like Cybershell!
I’m so glad you actually like Sonic R! I had this on PC when I was a kid and had a blast with it! Running around trying to tag eachother in that one mode was great, and I also really enjoyed unlocking all the mecha characters
GC, your videos say everything I've ever wanted to say about Sonic, and taught me things I'm ashamed I didn't know. Watching your videos injects this nostalgia into me, and is damn near cathartic.
You are a modern day hero.
Miles "Tails" Prower. Mechanical genius. Proud owner of his very own RAIDO.
I have the exact same thought on Sonic R. I LOVE IT (as a guilty pleasure)! That music is amazing.
Just decided to give your Sonic videos a rewatch after seeing your DKC3 video. All fantastic material, I really do love how much detail and care you give everything, and I hope people do continue to spread your work around.
Out of curiosity, have you actually had the chance to try Freedom Planet yet? I really would want to see a video on that game from you some time in the future.
Love your videos!
Classic Espio looked so cool! That black area by his makes him look so badass.
I am loving this series! I know I am a late adopter haha! Good work!
Sonic Jam was my absolute favourite sonic game back in the day and I miss it so much! :')
what’s up with the drop in mic quality when you started talking ab sonic jam?
Years after I uploaded it, this video got copyright strike'd for my use of "Open Your Heart" at the end. UA-cam had an option to try to remove the offending song, which I took, but it messed up the audio quality toward the end of the video.
@@GeekCritique Haha, joke's on them, the song is still clearly audible.
@@GeekCritique i thought me headphones broke
What a great close to your series for this year, Josh! :D Now you can rest for a bit hopefully!
Yeaaaah... I was hoping I might be able to do all three Smash Bros. games before the new one hits on Oct. 3, but that's gonna be a challenge.
That Sonic Jam 3D museum bit looks pretty cool, I want to play it.
I loved Sonic 3D blast as a kid! Never really played past the first 2 levels, but i did love it at the time
I also LOVE Sonic R and my little brother does too. Ever heard of a collection of sonic games for pc? It had sega smash pack 1 and 2, sega swirl, crazy taxi, sega bass fishing, sonic and knuckles collection, which was sonic 3, sonic and knuckles and sonic 3 and knuckles and it included Sonic R as well. I loved all of these games and played a gigantic role on my childhood.
(8:52) Although I disagree that speaking about the subject would get redundant (if anything, I think the more discussion about it, the better), I thank you for answering my question, TGC.
Once you got to Sonic Jam on the Saturn, I had so much Nostagasm!
That Sonic R tune still chokes me up man...why you gotta make me feel things?
Amazing retrospective! The only Sega consoles I owned as a kid were the Genesis and Dreamcast so I missed out on most of these when I was really young. I do agree with you that Sonic has always had it's share of duds. The classic era is't sacred or anything but it's still got some of my favorite games.
The wait for Summer 2015 will be a long and painful one...
Yeah, believe me, I've constantly had script ideas for Sonic Adventure bouncing around in my head. I could just go on babbling about Sonic forever if I wanted to. But hey, eventually I'll have covered every single Sonic game there's ever been... and no other series with this many games is getting that kind of treatment. xD
I wouldn't mind if you just went all-out Sonic on this channel. These have been great. And a video (or series of videos) on Sonic Xtreme and all the drama that went on there would by highly entertaining.
Holy crap, what a nice surprise at 2:25 :D Thanks for the shoutout, completely caught off-guard when I noticed ^_^
No problem! I _did_ say I'd be answering any question I got. Ah, to be a tiny UA-cam channel and be able to do that. :P
I hope you are going to look into the Advance series.
Hope so! I definitely wear to hear TGC talk about Sonic Advance 2's "press right to win" gameplay.
Gave me nostalgia, man. Playing Genesis era and Adventure series.
Great video, Josh. Hope you make more videos of this caliber! (btw when's the next livestream?)
Never knew much about Sonic. Thanks to you, I do now.
The Geek Critique - It's really great to hear that you're not totally depreciate and "dissing" Sonic R. It's rather the game for someone, who already know (and like) Sonic series, but still it gaves some pleasant and "light" gameplay. I've played in PC version, don't know if it's true that this one is a bit better than release on Saturn, but anyway - even the control is not so horrible as many people says. My ears are melting when I'm hearing the music in this game (BTW - is there any way to swap it?), and five tracks are not enough for any racing game, but these are the most annoying lacks. Ok, I admit that it's nothing special, but I still like it. Yeah, I admit that it can be a bit hard to explain :P
I really regret that probably I will never be able to play in Knuckles & Chaotix on my Mega Drive. It's really hard to obtain cartridge with this game without ruining the wallet (especially since I have PAL console - PAL carts on 32X are almost like luxury goods), not to mention that the same 32X PAL is also quite expensive. Stupid region locks :( It has some special status nowadays - no re-relases in any form, only (not very popular even then) 32X. I know that it has opinion of rather mediocre title, but still it's very tempting.
And I DEFINITELY share you sentiment in case of Sonic 3D Blast :) (no matter if we're talking about MD/Genesis version or Saturn/PC version), I've played in many Sonic games and enjoyed them, even such as mentioned Sonic R or even Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 1 (yes, even this one!), but Sonic 3D Blast is up to this day one of these Sonic games, which were for me totally boring and totally not "engaging".
It's quite surprising that "classic" era of Sonic (let's say that it was everything before Sonic Adventure :P) ended in so unspectacular way - no "full-pledged" Sonic title on Saturn, and in fact the only one which was completely new was Sonic R.
Well, I'm really curious what you'll say about Sonic Adventure in next part, and for now - well deserved thumb up! :)
I loved sonic fighters
I played it at a hotel arcade in Pennsylvania and I was hooked, I got in so much trouble for sneaking out on vacation at that hotel to just play that nonstop
I love Knuckles Chaotix. It took me years to assemble a functioning 32x, but I was determined to give this game the love on its original hardware it never received when it was new
Wow. Some of your views of this are actually worth listening to again, you offer new perspective and fresh eyes to the series that some (and even myself) don't think about. What baffles me is why some of the games were discontinued such as Tails' adventures, it looks good, makes use of gadgetry (at the time) which is great for a character associated with mechanics. Then you have choatix which seems to suit knuckles style of adventures as he's more a suitable variable character (fast, scale walls etc) that he looks best for a game that trains players on using combination skill.
It makes me wonder if the sonic franchise were too focused on making sonic the cash cow and advertising his sole attribute (speed) that as the consoles entered 3D and Sonic's gameplay and pace were about impossible to replicate on the next consoles, that they had no one else to fall back onto to keep the franchise flying high. Hence creating 'shadow' because he's a darker sonic etc And that they had long relegated other characters new to the series to the background because there was no vision or attempt to create new stories for these characters, who are now have to be tagged under a sonic game to even exist.
It does sound harsh but to me that's wrong with the franchise it depended too much on one character and didn't want to branch out too much, in case of risk interest from sonic would be sidelined. Now sonic is regarded as an example of a 'has been' with no one to be the plan B and keep the franchise going noticeably well.
Dan Maximus Thanks, yeah, every time I'd finish one of these scripts, I'd check the word count and be kind of surprised by how much I had to say about it. This summer, I'll be hitting the modern Sonic titles, so I'll save my thoughts for then.
There's a rom hack of Sonic 3D Blast made by one of the main developers of the original that basically fixes alot of issues, adding a time attack mode, Super Sonic, and a level editor/debug mode.
one of the main developers of the original making a mod of a game project he worked on
now that is unheard of, and Awesome. if you know of any other instances of that I wanna hear it
Someone who likes Sonic R?!
That's it I want to kiss you.
Yeah I Really like sonic R as well
It's all right. Hardly a timeless classic but you can do much worse for something to mess around trying to 100%.
Your audio died around the end there
Oof
Its not his fault its youtube trying to "protect" the copyrighted music by butchering the audio. But at least they didn't just remove the video
The first 3 Sonic games were truly great games. People who dis the whole series because of later games, forget to realise why Sonic is still so huge today. There is a very good reason Sonic is still such a massive icon. It's because of those games. And they still stand up to this day as fun and very playable.
My nephews recently started playing Sonic Mania. The one playing Tails would keep asking “where am I?” the eternal lament of the Tails player. I had them switch from time to time so the poor guy wasn’t off screen all the time.
Will you be going in-depth about Sonic 4 (Episodes I & II) at any point? I'd love to hear the opinion of such a hardcore Sonic fan.
but that's just a theory, a game theory!!! just made my day
So I have to wait until next summer for you to talk about the good Sonic games.
Genuinely I think the only problem with Sonic R is that it doesn’t have enough levels.
I first played it on PC well after I’d heard how terrible it was for years and love it.
I love the music of the game so much I bought it it’s 90’s House style music is incredible.
There is an updated version of Sonic 3D Blast called Sonic 3D Blast: Director's Cut for Steam PC and in the Steam PC port of Sonic 3D Blast, Super Sonic is playable.
but is the game playable?
@@TheAlison1456 Yes! I consider Sonic 3D Blast Director's Cut to be not only playable but even fun and finally a good game.
I know I'm late three years, but fun fact. Sonic extreme wasn't entirely forgotten by Sega after they cancelled it. In fact, Sonic schoolhouse actually takes a few Sprites from that game.
Sonic R has one of the best soundtracks in all of gaming.
13:28 the game that Josh would end up giving an awesome re-review of.
Bahaha, I hadn't seen this probably since 2014, and I can't believe the general structure of the new video is such a match for this segment: An overview of the features behind the "Games" menu, then a line about how, "Even if this was all Sonic Jam was, it'd still be an incredible compilation, but..." as a lead-in to Sonic World.
. . . Yeah, I love Sonic R too. Especially the music.
YA GOT TO KEEP THAT DREAM ALIVE, WHERE EVERYTHING IS FREE, CAN'T CHA SEE?
Unpopular opinion: Sonic 3D Blast is actually a fun game. For me, it would be one of those games I’d just play to relax. That’s on the Saturn though, idk about the Genesis
A fellow sonic R lover!
Same, my favorite 3d sonic.
Glad to hear that Sonic R brother.
Now I wanna play Sonic 3d again. I still have the PC version lying around . Heck, I'm gonna install it on a virtual machine
I can vouch for Freedom Planet. It's an amazing game and I highly recommend it.
I was there. I was in the middle of it. Yet for some reason my brain can't accept that DKR and Sonic R existed at the same time.
Why did the audio change at 13:25 and 15:12
There's a fan hack on Sonic Retro that is basically Sonic 3D Blast but with *no* flickies.
Wow Sonic Jam Spinball: Flickies Islandia my favorite Sonic game
Sonic 3D blast looks goddamn terrifying
I'm certain there was a Tails Adventure 2. I think it was included in the Sonic Gens Collection for the PS2.
I thought the audio quality lowering was on purpose
2:30 curious who your top 5 characters would be
I really didn't think 3D Blast was that bad. I don't mind playing it now and then(but very little compared to much better Sonic games)
I finally got to play SegaSonic the Hedgehog at Galloping Ghost, that game is really hard. With freeplay I got to see most of it but still lost because of the timed section at the end where you can't continue. It was pretty fun even the controls are weird.
Sonic the fighters actually uses the Fighting Vipers engine.
I never thought I'd find another person besides me who likes Sonic R!
SONIC R IS MY ULTIMATE GUILTY PLEASURE AS WELL
One of the original creators of Sonic 3D blast is actually working on a ROM hack that improves the gameplay
13:50 Ah, the menu theme from Sonic Classic Collection on the DS, that god-awful emulation job that couldn't even figure out how to layer Knuckles IN FRONT of the Master Emerald. I was wondered what the deal was with that tune, since it sounded very much suited for the classic games, but the DS was about nine years too late for those.
If you haven't played Freedom Planet, do it. It's great.
For sonic R you can use a button to move like a driving game
What is the track at 14:23 called?
2:33 That some day did came.
13:29 what happened to the audio?
You got Knuckles Chaotix pretty much spot on. Great gimmicks with the characters and controls ruined by absolutely bland and interchangeable level design. They couldn't even get water into the water level.
I liked 3D Blast though remembered thinking it would be a lot more fun without the Flicky gimmick. And it's nice to see another Sonic R fan. :D
"And I am including the modern era"
This sentence makes me sad.
Seeing 'Sonic the Fighters' now really tempts my imagination into thinking "What if Sonic '06, if not another attempt at an Adventure style game, was headed if not handed to SEGA's Ryū ga Gotoku Studio? (Yakuza developers)", especially since whilst I can't speak for Adventure, 06's hub certainly makes me think Sonic Team were trying to achieve something similar to what Ryū ga Gotoku/Like a Dragon does & Shenmue before it did (Which SEGA AM2, developers of many games including Virtua Fighter & Sonic the Fighters, also developed). Those guys are utterly seasoned in hub-worlds, have a team of musicians including Hidenori Shōji that create consistently fantastic & intense music, and their combat consecutively displays they really know their stuff when it comes to spectacle (Not to mention how they wear the sheer dissonance of their characters going from tense crime drama cutscenes to spectacular arcade combat to utterly ridiculous side activities as if an honourary badge on their sleeve!).
With them already set to tackle Fist of the North Star (Hokuto ga Gotoku/Like a North Star), I'd reckon them giving Sonic a go wouldn't be an interesting experiment. Only question would be if they went for the arcade fighting combat that is their signature or good ol' speedrunnin' platformin' that is Sonic's signature (They certainly did better than you'd think with Binary Domain, being a third-person shooter), and if the former, the only real challenge would be being able to keep the sheer intensity tame enough for a E10+ or Pegi 7+ rating (In their games, people at the other end of your punches & kicks get spectacularly DESTROYED, with cutscenes more likely to kill someone than Kazuma Kiryu flooring a street thug with a motorcycle).
Hey, a man can dream.
I loved the game theorist imitation XD
Why do you have just 1-2-3k views, for the quality it might be around 100k or more!
Haha, thanks, I was hoping someone would get a kick out of it. As for the low views, you're not the first to wonder that, but I really appreciate it. I'm hoping it's all just a matter of time.
The Geek Critique
and you reply quite all the answer quickly!
however when do you start the modern sonic review (and the ds/psp sonic games)?
RaoulWB Remixes I had to cut the retrospective here to keep myself from just talking about Sonic forever, but I'll hit the Adventure era (most likely all the games from 1999-2006) next summer.
The Geek Critique ok, i'll sure view it (Sonic is my favourite game serie). Anyway meantime i'm going to watch the other vids on your channel :D
14:34 woah, he predicted the "Sonic was never good" meme!
Hey, I didn't predict it. It just already existed.
@@GeekCritique Fairs!
What happend to you audio?
They found Mighty :)
8:32 Actually, the fighting game, Sonic Championship, AKA "Sonic the Fighters", takes this historic claim.
Anyone know the music at 2:37
Have you ever played Sonic on the original Tiger systems? It's an experience, let me tell you.
What is the song called at 14:22?
Misson 5 to sonic generations, sonic Sega Saturn theme
@@knux7468 sonic 3d blast theme
13:29 what happened to your voice recording
Are you sure the main mechanic of Sonic 3D Blast was rescuing Flickies? Could of sworn it was giving the player unbearable headaches if you played it more than 2 minutes. Maybe it was just me, but the game would give me awful headaches as a kid.
Also the real reason there's only 5 courses in Sonic R is because they couldn't make 16 amazing tracks like the 5 we've got, it would have just been too much.
Sonic Jam looks interesting. Should I preferably play this instead of Sonic 3 Complete?
Its a shame that Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow couldn't spin off into their own subseries like the Mario characters
Sjono Eh, I think we could've seen stuff like that had Sega remained a hardware manufacturer, but it's a tougher sell when you're making games for other platforms.
The Rabbids got their own separate series so its possible but not advised
I mean shadow has a game, though its only one. Most people dont like it, but i do.
The problem is that often SEGA didn't really capitalise on their IPs. Around the Saturn era they weren't even really investing much into new Sonic games, let alone ones for supporting characters.
@@ToonReel001 Sega was always busy making new IPs, I think that's a good thing.
Wat jyst happened at the end
11:34 Hmm. Hedgehog music. I like it.
Honestly, I think Jerry would be the only person to actually like that game.
I don't give a fuck what you think, Jerry.
After watching all these videos about Sonic, I decided to buy and play Lost World. I'm almost done with it, and I'm starting to see why people didn't like it. Then I re-downloaded Generations and oh my god it's so much better and more fluent. Also, I never knew that T-Pup originated in this obscure game about Tails
I feel like I am the only person who genuinely likes Sonic 3D Blast on the Genesis. I like the different approach it had. I liked exploring in the 3D levels to defeat enemies and escorting the flickies to the goal.I also don't think the levels are "samey" They have different layouts and I think they flow well. Is it my favorite Sonic game? No, but I do really enjoy it every time I play it though.
I NEED the name of the song at the start.
Really wish they would go back and fully optimize Sonic The Fighters so that it could compete with today's fighters and cement itself within the FGC. I think it still has potential it's been backed by the VF engine. Damn.