You’re so right about this “teams” thing. It’s everywhere on almost every topic. Not just religion or politics, but food, exercise, remote working, all kinds of things. It’s exacerbated by social media where the people from different teams get to shout at each other in public. Totally unhelpful. Great video Layne. Keep it up.
We are tribal creatures, this makes sense why we form teams. We just aren't very good at competition with one another. We do better cooperating. This is why capitalism always ends in a monopoly. How big is Amazon now?
I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson, but even if you are this is a really good example that confidence does not equal competence, particularly in a highly technical field like nutrition or biology.
Before he got famous, he was great. Then he joined the Daily Wire and seems like he feels the need to make everything he says sound deep and profound. He's mostly lost me now.
I was a huge fan of JP back in the day. I give him a lot of credit for me “growing up”. A lot of really good lessons on personal responsibility that I was completely unaware of. BUT, his side step into other fields are either really underwhelming or completely batshit(imo). Really great analysis because it shows that Dr. Layne does have respect for JP but he also knows that people are fallible
Same for me as far as personal responsiblity and growth goes. But the main area where I see JBP stray too much is exactly on nutrition which he's not adept in (odd really because he's previously repeatedly admitted on Rogan to NOT being an expert on nutrition and he just follows what works with his allergies). His other tangents on stuff like environment seem spot on IMO, in the sense that to me he appears pragmatic and has actual experts on.
@@Badabinger I see this as people problem. He is smart guy (and I love him for his work) BUT, shit tone of "followers" want to know everything about their influencer. How much he sleep, what shoes size he wear, how he wipe his butt etc. I don't know why that happend, they won't become him or any more like him if they do shit exacly like him (espesialy when they admire his intelignece and wear his shoe size while having bigger foot). So... he have health troubles, he get rid of them, by his diet and I get it is nice to talk about it (i had similar problem, but my solution was to heal myself), but people keep asking and asking, then they do what he done and say it makes miracles. He talk more and more about and bam said something stupid. He shouldn't do this but it is hard when people ask you about live advices from psychology POV, but then demanding to help with their miserable live at any point. He push people in good direction, from then they should man up and take their live - and his principles - and be man, but they behave like children, not knowing what to eat... Rare little l for my man JBP. Everybody have to have one from time to time so they can get sober.
I must remind you, all of his talk about politics, communism, capitalism and economics are completely outside of his field. He is right about some things here and there, but there is a ton of bs as well.
This is a good example of you can like and agree with a lot of what a person says, but also at the same time think they are full of $hit on a specific topic.
Which should logically make you doubt his thought process on every plane of reality and in turn your own criteria given that you agree with someone whose way of thinking is fundamentally biased and flawed.
@@leylol6655 Actually that is a logical fallacy. Just because you believe someone is wrong on a specific topic that does not by default make then less credible on another topic.
@@Ryan_DeWitt not necessarily. If he gets on a platform and records a statement like this that is a blatantly incorrect correlation. Its not unreasonable to question other things that may come out his mouth. Does that mean assume everything he says is incorrect? No, but it's not unreasonable to question his reliability on other topics if he is willing to get on and make a video like this regarding things he seems to know little about. Clearly the man is fallible.
@@starlitshadows That's fair but, otoh, you should question everything everyone says, because, guess what, everyone is fallible. And sure Peterson is displaying a lot of unwarranted confidence here but it's obvious that he is biased by his and his family's rather extreme struggles with autoimmune issues, so I think it's pretty fair to compartmentalize the way he addresses this subject from his other work. Peterson's critics seem very concerned that his fans are some kind of cult waiting on his every word so they know what to think (and of course he's at any moment about to order them into their brown shirts). My experience and observation is quite the opposite, they take a high view of his insights and use them as a jumping off point for dynamic discussion, and are perfectly willing to disagree.
FTA. Also, love that Layne, for the most part, still sticks to "around" five minute videos packed with good info, as opposed to A LOT of creators, who go 12 -13 minutes just repeating the same info over and over.
I think it's one of many reasons I lost interest in Thomas Delaurer's visits. But, then, when Layne posts something more longform, I'm more readily receptive to watching it.
Solid analysis and very fair criticism. Whenever I see something like this or something blatantly wrong in my area of expertise, I wonder how much out there sounds good to me, but I'm missing something significant. Drawing any conclusions from one time series of data and a supposed population shock is so difficult. I'm not sure what's been done, but I can't think of a research design that could actually determine causality from the food pyramid.
That’s because they’re two unrelated events. If anything, they’re “related” the other way, the food guide pyramid came out to tell people how to eat healthier because they were getting fat. And then people didn’t follow it and continued getting fat.
I have this same thought! I am a physical therapist. So when I realize how much of my own field is full of shit, i can only imagine that is EVERY field. But i an more skeptical within my own field and more trusting of others, when it should be the opposite
Philosophy Ph.D. here. Unfortunately, plenty of what Jordan Peterson says about philosophy (and religion, etc.) is about as far from expert analysis as what he says here about nutrition. If you want great philosophical analysis, I’d recommend some proper philosophers like Regina Rini, Liam Kofi Bright, or Peter Singer. (They’ve plenty of free videos, papers, blog posts, etc.)
I dislike petersons views as well but saying he's wrong because of expert analysis is fallacious. Most philosophical views are abstract and especially the metaphysical ones. Philosophy is not a hard science, as you know.
To be fair, in western countries basically any school or hospital nutrition program, and nutritional education as a whole and many diets, are based off of the food pyramid. And JP is 100% correct that the food pyramid was created by marketers with no scientific or nutritional input at all, it was literally created to get the US agricultural industry out of a deep financial hole after WWII. So while it is correct to say that people don't follow it as in they don't consciously refer to it when doing their grocery shopping, they do follow it in general because of the conditioning when growing up, brainwashed by seeing it on every cereal package, on school cafeteria walls, food packages, in supermarkets and so on. It's everywhere ! And the point that exercise is recommended along with it is irrelevant in this case because that was not part and parcel with the food pyramid itself. In this case I think both Layne and JP are right, it's just a slightly different perspective 👍
If you put grains, like bread, pasta and cereal as the base of the food pyramid.. then that is what people mostly are going to eat. Inevitably, that is going to make a whole lot of people fat, which is exactly what did happen. You don't even need to be a nutritonist to understand that. What is this guy's issue.
as a man growing up in the 90s in a third world country, that pyramid was everywhere in schools and houses, diet plans were based on that pyramid including the food they served us as kids on school or the recommendation they gave to our parents based on it. there is clearly a discrepancy here, that pyramid was everywhere and was the argument of my parents and several others and teachers for our food choices and food "health" beliefs. (like literally thinking that not eating enough grains and bread made us sick). jordan its far more connected to my reality here.
I'm not sure how it is in the US, or how it was before, but I can tell you as a graduate in dietetics that nutritional education isn't "based" off the food pyramid... It's a tool to characterize healthy eating to a wide population (although in sweden we've switched to a circular model). It's a tool and by no means necessarily relevant to everyone. We also have a different illustrative tool called the plate model, kind of representing the same things (although vegetables take the majority spot instead of grains). And when it comes to grains, there's heavy emphasis on whole grains in any intake model which of course contain more fiber and are more satiating and often more nutritious. Now american companies may have used a sleight of hand to turn their processed fiber-free and vitamin enriched products into the recommended grains category. But speak with any dietician/nutritionist worth their salt and they'll tell you that you have to limit your processed grains in favor of the unprocessed ones/fiber enriched ones (which isn't perfect either but a big step in the right direction) (sugar sweetened cereals also fall under the processed category, which is most cereals that people buy because they taste good.) So once again, JP picks a scapegoat and puts heavy blame on it without understanding/considering that it's way more complex than that. The food pyramid wasn't followed as intended (maybe with a combination of seriously poor implementation of it into the public), and the fact remains that most people simply ignore national nutritional guidance which most countries release regularly and which is always heavily evidence based. So I wouldn't even say it's a different perspective. He's a little right in essence, but mostly wrong in his conclusions.
The food pyramid appeared in the seventies got WHO acceptance in the nineties. So what is that "it was literally created to get the US agricultural industry out of a deep financial hole after WWII" The model is ok for me, if you don't like it just use your superior model, but don't play the "they made me eat 60 pounds of added sugar each year" victim
The controversy is more clear when you hear actual philosophers react to what he says, just like you’re doing so well here. He contradicts his own points, but does so while sounding intelligent so the rest of us that don’t regularly read the texts he’s “referencing” can’t really do anything but nod in agreement. There’s several great breakdowns of this out there that after seeing make it obvious how anything beyond the common sense/self-help advice of being responsible is window dressing at best, con-man at worst.
This guy is a perfect example that an intelligent person can say stupid things. He refuses to stay in his lane and believes himself an expert in anything.
It's weird. A few years ago when he would talk about his red meat only diet he was couch it in 'I'm no expert, all I can say is it worked for me.' Now he's bordering on Liver King levels of nutritional bullshit? Times change, huh.
“The government said to eat more carbs, and that made people obese.” I thought Jordan Peterson was a champion of personal responsibility, but he says it’s the government’s fault that people have gotten fatter. 😂
I just came back from a 30 day trip in Italy, I was there with a friend who is very lactose intolerant, he ate gelato every day and NEVER got sick.. My other friend went previously and told us stories about how she could eat all the pasta she wanted and she had SEVERE celiacs disease, never got sick. Both these people ate tons of pasta and ice cream and lost weight on their trips. The problem with the agriculture and dairy industry in USA is way more than just the diet recommendations or what certain people suggest to eat, our foods nutritional value is really poor, and we stuff ourselves full of preservatives, and eat things sprayed with pesticides, crap thats just not supposed to be in our bodies. We have focused on profit over quality for so long that you can eat a giant apple and never feel full, you get these HUGE strawberries which cost more because they weigh more, yet are not even close to as nutritious, sweet, and filling as other countries strawberries which are much much smaller. The bread we eat in America is basically poison. If you looks at the ingredients of most bread in the US its like a paragraph, if you go to places like Italy and France, their bread has like 5 ingredients. This is why people who have celiacs disease or have terrible lactose intolerance can eat tons of pasta and gelato in many places of the EU and not get sick.
I’ve stayed away from gluten for over 10 years due to inflammation and recently bought flour from France to make bread, no issues! Also tried pasta that was a “product of Italy”, no issues! So yes our food is definitely to blame in how it is processed and manufactured. Our wheat goes through radiation, I can’t imagine that helps the nutritional value!
I agree; I’m also lactose intolerant and was able to have lots of dairy with no issues. Weirdly enough, I’m also very sensitive to coffee and even having decaf coffee makes me feel jittery, but I was able to have cups of espresso and didn’t feel jittery once! From my experience I concluded there’s something really weird and off with North American products, but of course, just my experience.
Everywhere you look groceries etc has added sugar, the biggest scam was 99% fat free it should of been 99% sugar free, fruit, veg, nuts etc, fish, some meat, cut the sugar and processed foods and refined carbs where you can, thats what i do anyway.
I got into a silly discussion on Facebook with a group of people that were touting keto as the *only* way to get lean. I cited a plethora of people/athletes that consume carbs & are lean & the funniest response I got was that, apparently, you can only be "temporarily" lean if you consume carbs. You're basically in a state of pre-fat or faux leanness. I fucking despair.
You should probably look at more of his assertions around "science". That will no doubt undercut any residual respect you might still have for him on the philosophy front
@@pattybaselines the idea that the common use of intwined snakes throughout multiple cultures leads to the conclusion those cultures knew about the double helix DNA structure before modern scientists..... just as a quick one....
Here's the fact. The food pyramid was not at all based on science. Peterson's story is still worth listening to because he was able to heal himself largely without the help of the medical field all while going against what would be considered good dietary recommendations. As he would say, "That's not nothing." To me this points to an area where we need to question our fundamental understanding of many things nutrition related.
Since he has such a restrictive diet he's not consuming something that was giving him issues. Eating all meat wasnt the cure. The cure was removing whatever it was that gave him issues. He could still eat a balanced diet and not have issues anymore. This is the thing a lot of people do when they go on a fad diet. They cut out processed junk, eat less, lose weight get in better shape and they say that specific diet was the answer. But people get the same results on all different diets. A carnivore will look and feel better and they'll blame their previous state on vegetables & fruit. A vegetarian will look and feel better and blame their previous state on meat. But the one thing they have in common is they cut out ultra processed junk and consumed less food overall. Jordan Peterson should just figure what foods were disagreeing with him and avoid those and he could go back to a more balanced diet and maybe he wouldn't be so miserable.
@@johnnyrotten1666 This is not entirely true, if anything processed food causes very little issues except in the long term like diabetes and heart disease because the food is refined, which means a lot of components that can cause issues are gone. Just as an example I can't eat whole wheat but I can eat all the white bread and pasta I want with no problems.
@@johnnyrotten1666i just have to say i dont like this guy jordan,lets just see how long the guy lives and if he has any health problems.the proof will be in the puddingas they say.
Jordan’s diet points are good… when he is speaking specifically about his health issue, and for those who have said issue. The problem comes when he and his daughter branched it out to people without that issue.
The main difference between dietary recommendations is how easy they are to adhere to. Eat less meat and more carbohydrates seems self-defeating compared to eating more stuff that's more satiating per calorie.
I can't believe it!!!! Someone finally stated the fundamental premise under which anyone, at any time should observe in assessing anything...you could be WRONG! Tribalism is a killer. Humble open-mindedness is essential. Everything in the world is mindbogglingly complex; particularly in human biology, which is still largely unknown and even complicated further because it's microscopic. I also find it no small issue that a lot of the "science" is horribly conducted and misinterpreted. Science is a combination of experimentation and sound interpretation (which includes effectively applying reason and logic). This is because it also always involves assumptions. Humility fosters objectivity and an awareness of conclusions ALWAYS being drawn within the limiting confines of what we know right now and that we can always be missing something. You just made me a big fan, Layne
it's ironic that after the huge carnivore trend, the new trend that is blowing up (at least in my algorithm bubble) is micronutrient density, which promotes eating a full range of whole foods, which is far more balanced than going extreme in either direction. Who would have thought we would go full circle just to come back to "balance is key" when it comes to nutrition, and yet most people still haven't tried to eat a balanced diet, long enough to see improvement, or they fall into fad diets with the hopes of making huge progress in a few weeks which is almost always false and unsustainable. Balance is key, but most people, even myself, would rather go for the fancy and quick option which doesn't work, rather than the "boring" and long option, which would actually give us results.
Unfortunately people who are experts in some topic tend to share their thoughts on many subjects they are nowhere near to be an expert of. That's the sad reality because it undermines credentiality of those people even in their own field of expertise. I wish JP sticked to psychology and philosophy. He's reeeealy good out there.
Same. Was a fan early on when it was mostly posts of his university lectures. Haven't watched him in years intentionally as even clicking one of his videos will turn your UA-cam feed into a toxic, virulent mess.
If you want a little clarity on the Canada Food Guide that JP talks about, look at the Canada food guide 2007 and priors, and then look at it in 2019. Even the government has shown they made obvious mistakes.
I generally like Layne, the problem with his logic(and Peterson's) is that alongside the food pyramid came massive subsidies for commodity crops.. which led to nutrition-less, high calorie, highly processed garbage Making those foods insanely cheap and highly available. The food pyramid only tells one side of story. Go look on any shelf in the middle aisle's of the grocery store and you will see the same things over and over again; corn, wheat, soy.
Hi Lane, I get your point from a technical point of view; but also agree with general theme of the govt nutrition guidelines are biased toward industry rather than citizens health. I feel your audience would have been better served with a more focus on the logical union ; rather than the non intersection focus. I like your content & the emphasis on always question you own beliefs. I hardly ever comment on social media posts. I recently purchased a subscription to the Carbon app…. I am an electrical/computer engineer & I enjoy your technical approach to these topics.
One of my friend sent me a reel where he was speaking on the carnivore diet.. I told him pretty much the same thing you said at the start of the video 😂 I like JP ALOT but when it comes to nutrition better for him to stay in his lane
Did you get a new editor? I like it. I do think you should rethink your stance on JP entering the fitness world. He will be a net positive, just like you are, not perfect, but he will bring in an entire audience that fitness dudes will never reach and spark the beginning of a journey to healthier ways.
Have to admit, when I read a new study, first I try to see if it's a huge pile of BS. Check if it's controlled, if it's double-blind, if the groups are even chosen correctly (giving an untrained person supps and force them into the gym can give you positive results for anything), if the sample size is high enough, if the testing does make sense bla bla bla bla. THEN I'm going to read it and try to make a conclusion. And you are right, everything seems to be a sports now and there are just teams and fans. Especially in politics, where you can't even critizise Israel for their settlement expansion without being called an antisemit or critizise Hamas without being called islamophobic....
If anyone ever needed to loosen up, laugh and joke more, etc, it is JP. Dude is wound tightly and seems highly on edge most of the time. Why so serious so much of the time? I say this as someone that definitely has a serious, deep, etc side. But let's not over do it. Just like in health and nutrition, generally balance is better than going to lop sided extremes.
The problem with the food pyramid is that there's no way of knowing if they knew people would have a hard time following it or not. The best diet is the best possible one that people can stick to. So was the purpose to make people addicted to unhealthy foods or was it just hijacked by junk food brands?
Mfs seem to forget that human civilization was built thanks to the agriculture of grains and other carbohydrates. The carbs aren't the issue. The overconsumption of food is.
Yes, he was severerly depressed and his family run with autoinmune issues. so that somehow its his fault? Blaming jordan peterson for his propensity to illness be mental or physical DUE to its family history its beyond R... if jordan peterson should stay out of nutrition, you should stay out of the internet before making such a brain dead comparision.
@@JWB671 eh, we enter a grey area when we’re talking about PHYSICALLY addictive meds prescribed by a doctor. Benzodiazepines can give you life threatening seizures and permanent brain damage if you suddenly stop taking them, independent of whether or not the user is “enjoying” them or psychologically addicted. I wouldn’t call following the instructions of your GP and inherently immoral
@JWB671 This and the OP comment are garbage takes. I don't like JP but he was in the hospital because of bad pharmaceuticals that almost killed him. Also claiming someone is bad because they are on opiods is unfair too because they are highly addictive and hundreds of millions of people are in their trap. This is called the fallacy of hypocrisy
@@JWB671 Ridiculous, he was taking benzodiazepines as prescribed by a doctor while he wife was dying from cancer. You're a heartless bastard if you think this was a moral failing of his.
Well, experience you have when listening to his opinions on health/nutrition is same experience people who are in philosophy and social science when he is talking about that.
"He's right enough to make a cogent argument that sounds good. The reality is, he's very wrong about specific things that make his entire argument invalid." Mfers will really watch someone step into their domain and be like "man this guy is really acting confident with his off the wall bullshit" but not turn a critical eye to the rest of the content they churn out. Why would you continue respecting his philosophical shit when you have evidence that he pushes bullshit in your domain? You think he doesn't practice rigor and logic in your domain but is a lot more rigorous and logical in his own? "I mean he is completely full of shit here but what are the odds he's full of shit all the time."
Yes they put oils in the small category. They did not however make good tatic saying minimize oils. It was more of encouraging a lot of oils over saturated fats. Also saying in the Mediterranean they ate a high fat diet and u can use plant oils to mimic that. So added oils went very high.
i agree, i think the food recommendation with the pyramid had lesser of an effect on obesity. at that time though, they started replacing sugar with high fructose corn syrup. that is a small hidden ingredient that we dont know much about. could that be the reason the obesity went up at that time along with highly processed seed oils? something significant happened during that time, and i do not buy it was calories. like a few extra calories make people so dysfunctional that they turn into obese blobs.
on a side note, if 10-12 sets a week is recommended volume, and shoulders are 3 different muscle groups does than mean i gotta do 10 sets of front, 10 sets of side and 10 sets of rear delts?
In theory, yes, but in reality, you have to keep in mind that the delts can get fairly sufficient stimulation from most of the upper body compound exercises. So for example, if you already do 10+ sets of bench press, incline press, DB press, chest flyes, dips and finish every chest workout off with push-ups, maaaybe you don't have to add another 10 sets of overhead press (that is, at least for the time being, you can always switch it up later on). When it comes to side and rear delts, however, you can experiment with lateral raises and reverse flyes for a while; if 10 sets of each don't fatigue you and/or if you feel you get significant growth out of them, there's probably no harm in adding those on top of everything else!
Front delt volume comes from pressing movements. Sidd delt from lateral raises and overhead presses. Rear delt comes from rows. You can add some front / rear delt volume in, but you don't need a lot. Side delts just do like 4-5 lateral raises per push day
I've always preferred doing an extra exercise for side delts since they don't get hit in anything else. So instead of doing 3-4 sets for side I may do 6-8 total.3-4 each for front and rear. Sometimes I'll do extra for rear because my front delts grow better than rear as well. 10 sets for each head seems a little overkill in my opinion but to each his own on that one.
Peterson engages in this same exact reasoning with his moral takes and what he tries to put out about evolutionary psychology. He has decent pop psychology takes that you could get from a cereal box. Aside from that he's a frickin quack.
Is there cause and effect there? Maybe the government got involved because people were getting fatter. People were also leaner before the any modern diet was published, did all these diets cause obesity?
@@dankid1742 No, the government got involved because the president AKA one of the elites died from a heart attack for the first time, which they had never experienced before, so they wanted to know what caused it. If an average joe died from a heart attack at that time they would not care.
PhD social statistician here. JBP is promoting a subcultural ideology he believes in. It is more religion than evidence-based social or natural science. He's very articulate and, I assume, he knows something about clinical psychology. His grasp of everything else is more tribe supporting nonsense than peer-review based evidence being considered logically. He particularly likes a 1950s USA ideal that wasn't true then and isn't true now.
"He seems fine except when he's talking about my personal area of expertise" is a lot of people's experience with JP. It's a red flag. It's unlikely that he just happens to be wrong about the one thing you're an expert in. He's probably wrong about the stuff you're less informed on as well, but you can't tell because it's not your area of expertise
lmao like what. what is this FUD. hes a certified clinical psychologist and a very sharp mind at that - hes extremely capable in his domain. please show examples where he was “wrong” inside his domain.
The way dr Berg talks about bread causing autism is basically how Peterson talks about adhd. I used to like listening to him until I heard him speak with seeming authority, absolute crap about my disorder.
"He's partly right and he's right enough to make a cogent argument that sounds good. The reality is, he's very wrong about specific things that basically make his entire argument invalid." I don't really follow this Peterson guy, but I've seen two or three videos about his philosophy. Every video I've seen came to the same conclusion that you did. This must be his entire shtick. Please, bear that in mind whenever you listen him talk regardless of the topic.
You dont really follow this "peterson guy", yet you seem quite concerned with people taking him seriously. A detractor who's attempting to come off as less informed and intersted on the subject than he is. A clear attempt at decieving. You're full of shit.
It comes down to further contents. Do carbs make you fat = YES. Do carbs make you fat = NO. Both statements are true, both statements are false based on further content. If your carbs (or any favorite macro) are consumed with low satiety, triggering your lack of discipline, you'll eat in excess. The lobbyists for grains has much deeper pockets, and produces more impulse foods/ snacks, junk food. I believe great observations were made on both sides.
You probably won't hear it - Layne stays in his lane, and focuses on nutrition and exercise science. I'm sure he has some solid opinions on the topic but as he said in this vid, people should stick to their areas of study when disseminating information
This is great, because I feel the same way about Peterson but have never really been a fan of his diet advice. Was wondering if he’d ever get on your radar.
You know about nutrition so you understand how ignorant JP is… if you knew more about philosophy or politics you’d also see how ignorant he is on those topics
You’re so right about this “teams” thing. It’s everywhere on almost every topic. Not just religion or politics, but food, exercise, remote working, all kinds of things. It’s exacerbated by social media where the people from different teams get to shout at each other in public. Totally unhelpful. Great video Layne. Keep it up.
We are tribal creatures, this makes sense why we form teams. We just aren't very good at competition with one another. We do better cooperating. This is why capitalism always ends in a monopoly.
How big is Amazon now?
"divide and conquer". If people fight each another, it is easier to rule them.
This is why fascism is winning. Keep people divided and ignorant and feelings become facts.
I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson, but even if you are this is a really good example that confidence does not equal competence, particularly in a highly technical field like nutrition or biology.
I like his talks, but about nutrition topic, he absolutely not the right guy
Before he got famous, he was great. Then he joined the Daily Wire and seems like he feels the need to make everything he says sound deep and profound. He's mostly lost me now.
@@ginaherold damn
Well said
@@ginaherold LMAO this has to be a bot right
The Dunning- Kruger-Peterson effect.
Yup. Peterson lives at the top of Mt. Perceived Intelligence.
I was a huge fan of JP back in the day. I give him a lot of credit for me “growing up”. A lot of really good lessons on personal responsibility that I was completely unaware of.
BUT, his side step into other fields are either really underwhelming or completely batshit(imo).
Really great analysis because it shows that Dr. Layne does have respect for JP but he also knows that people are fallible
Same for me as far as personal responsiblity and growth goes. But the main area where I see JBP stray too much is exactly on nutrition which he's not adept in (odd really because he's previously repeatedly admitted on Rogan to NOT being an expert on nutrition and he just follows what works with his allergies). His other tangents on stuff like environment seem spot on IMO, in the sense that to me he appears pragmatic and has actual experts on.
@@Badabinger I see this as people problem. He is smart guy (and I love him for his work) BUT, shit tone of "followers" want to know everything about their influencer. How much he sleep, what shoes size he wear, how he wipe his butt etc. I don't know why that happend, they won't become him or any more like him if they do shit exacly like him (espesialy when they admire his intelignece and wear his shoe size while having bigger foot). So... he have health troubles, he get rid of them, by his diet and I get it is nice to talk about it (i had similar problem, but my solution was to heal myself), but people keep asking and asking, then they do what he done and say it makes miracles. He talk more and more about and bam said something stupid. He shouldn't do this but it is hard when people ask you about live advices from psychology POV, but then demanding to help with their miserable live at any point. He push people in good direction, from then they should man up and take their live - and his principles - and be man, but they behave like children, not knowing what to eat...
Rare little l for my man JBP. Everybody have to have one from time to time so they can get sober.
I completely agree
how old are you
I must remind you, all of his talk about politics, communism, capitalism and economics are completely outside of his field. He is right about some things here and there, but there is a ton of bs as well.
This is a good example of you can like and agree with a lot of what a person says, but also at the same time think they are full of $hit on a specific topic.
Which should logically make you doubt his thought process on every plane of reality and in turn your own criteria given that you agree with someone whose way of thinking is fundamentally biased and flawed.
@@leylol6655 Actually that is a logical fallacy. Just because you believe someone is wrong on a specific topic that does not by default make then less credible on another topic.
@@Ryan_DeWitt not necessarily. If he gets on a platform and records a statement like this that is a blatantly incorrect correlation. Its not unreasonable to question other things that may come out his mouth. Does that mean assume everything he says is incorrect? No, but it's not unreasonable to question his reliability on other topics if he is willing to get on and make a video like this regarding things he seems to know little about. Clearly the man is fallible.
@@starlitshadows That's fair but, otoh, you should question everything everyone says, because, guess what, everyone is fallible. And sure Peterson is displaying a lot of unwarranted confidence here but it's obvious that he is biased by his and his family's rather extreme struggles with autoimmune issues, so I think it's pretty fair to compartmentalize the way he addresses this subject from his other work.
Peterson's critics seem very concerned that his fans are some kind of cult waiting on his every word so they know what to think (and of course he's at any moment about to order them into their brown shirts). My experience and observation is quite the opposite, they take a high view of his insights and use them as a jumping off point for dynamic discussion, and are perfectly willing to disagree.
Don't worry, there are a lot of other reasons to think JP is full of shit
3:33 onward is JP's entire MO lol, not just when it comes to nutrition
FTA. Also, love that Layne, for the most part, still sticks to "around" five minute videos packed with good info, as opposed to A LOT of creators, who go 12 -13 minutes just repeating the same info over and over.
Greg Doucette !!!!!!
That’s because UA-cam has a significant ad revenue bump once videos hit 10mins
@@chriskrause6280 I thought that was a legacy thing that stopped a while back? Regardless, quick hitting info is good.
Yep you can tell a video is going to be bullshit when they starting beating around the bush and getting repetitive early on
I think it's one of many reasons I lost interest in Thomas Delaurer's visits. But, then, when Layne posts something more longform, I'm more readily receptive to watching it.
Solid analysis and very fair criticism. Whenever I see something like this or something blatantly wrong in my area of expertise, I wonder how much out there sounds good to me, but I'm missing something significant. Drawing any conclusions from one time series of data and a supposed population shock is so difficult. I'm not sure what's been done, but I can't think of a research design that could actually determine causality from the food pyramid.
That’s because they’re two unrelated events. If anything, they’re “related” the other way, the food guide pyramid came out to tell people how to eat healthier because they were getting fat. And then people didn’t follow it and continued getting fat.
underrated comment
I have this same thought! I am a physical therapist. So when I realize how much of my own field is full of shit, i can only imagine that is EVERY field. But i an more skeptical within my own field and more trusting of others, when it should be the opposite
Philosophy Ph.D. here. Unfortunately, plenty of what Jordan Peterson says about philosophy (and religion, etc.) is about as far from expert analysis as what he says here about nutrition.
If you want great philosophical analysis, I’d recommend some proper philosophers like Regina Rini, Liam Kofi Bright, or Peter Singer. (They’ve plenty of free videos, papers, blog posts, etc.)
I dislike petersons views as well but saying he's wrong because of expert analysis is fallacious. Most philosophical views are abstract and especially the metaphysical ones. Philosophy is not a hard science, as you know.
@@Gruso57didn’t say wrong. Should read that again
Peter singer is a horrible entry point and will lead a lot of people into moral apathy.
To be fair, in western countries basically any school or hospital nutrition program, and nutritional education as a whole and many diets, are based off of the food pyramid. And JP is 100% correct that the food pyramid was created by marketers with no scientific or nutritional input at all, it was literally created to get the US agricultural industry out of a deep financial hole after WWII. So while it is correct to say that people don't follow it as in they don't consciously refer to it when doing their grocery shopping, they do follow it in general because of the conditioning when growing up, brainwashed by seeing it on every cereal package, on school cafeteria walls, food packages, in supermarkets and so on. It's everywhere ! And the point that exercise is recommended along with it is irrelevant in this case because that was not part and parcel with the food pyramid itself. In this case I think both Layne and JP are right, it's just a slightly different perspective 👍
If you put grains, like bread, pasta and cereal as the base of the food pyramid.. then that is what people mostly are going to eat. Inevitably, that is going to make a whole lot of people fat, which is exactly what did happen. You don't even need to be a nutritonist to understand that. What is this guy's issue.
as a man growing up in the 90s in a third world country, that pyramid was everywhere in schools and houses, diet plans were based on that pyramid including the food they served us as kids on school or the recommendation they gave to our parents based on it.
there is clearly a discrepancy here, that pyramid was everywhere and was the argument of my parents and several others and teachers for our food choices and food "health" beliefs. (like literally thinking that not eating enough grains and bread made us sick). jordan its far more connected to my reality here.
I'm not sure how it is in the US, or how it was before, but I can tell you as a graduate in dietetics that nutritional education isn't "based" off the food pyramid... It's a tool to characterize healthy eating to a wide population (although in sweden we've switched to a circular model). It's a tool and by no means necessarily relevant to everyone. We also have a different illustrative tool called the plate model, kind of representing the same things (although vegetables take the majority spot instead of grains).
And when it comes to grains, there's heavy emphasis on whole grains in any intake model which of course contain more fiber and are more satiating and often more nutritious. Now american companies may have used a sleight of hand to turn their processed fiber-free and vitamin enriched products into the recommended grains category. But speak with any dietician/nutritionist worth their salt and they'll tell you that you have to limit your processed grains in favor of the unprocessed ones/fiber enriched ones (which isn't perfect either but a big step in the right direction) (sugar sweetened cereals also fall under the processed category, which is most cereals that people buy because they taste good.) So once again, JP picks a scapegoat and puts heavy blame on it without understanding/considering that it's way more complex than that. The food pyramid wasn't followed as intended (maybe with a combination of seriously poor implementation of it into the public), and the fact remains that most people simply ignore national nutritional guidance which most countries release regularly and which is always heavily evidence based. So I wouldn't even say it's a different perspective. He's a little right in essence, but mostly wrong in his conclusions.
The food pyramid appeared in the seventies got WHO acceptance in the nineties. So what is that "it was literally created to get the US agricultural industry out of a deep financial hole after WWII" The model is ok for me, if you don't like it just use your superior model, but don't play the "they made me eat 60 pounds of added sugar each year" victim
One of the best influences out here. Where would we be without Layne
Absolutely love the video special effects Layne adds to his videos... the back of the brain, the spears... classic
I have to admit I tuned out of what he was saying during the PacMan part....I was more concerned the ghosts were going to get him.
Whoever is your new editor, give them a raise.
You should do a video on bart kay. He has no problem doing videos making fun of you
Bart Kay is a joke! 🤡
No one will get away with anything, and that's what i like about this dude. 💪
thank you, Dr. Norton. Blaming the government is a copout, but they make for a useful scapegoat for many.
Unfortunately the govt,big pharma and big food are all in cohoots!!
I loved the edition, the pacman scene and the Layne inside Layne's brain just killed me 😂😂😂
The controversy is more clear when you hear actual philosophers react to what he says, just like you’re doing so well here.
He contradicts his own points, but does so while sounding intelligent so the rest of us that don’t regularly read the texts he’s “referencing” can’t really do anything but nod in agreement. There’s several great breakdowns of this out there that after seeing make it obvious how anything beyond the common sense/self-help advice of being responsible is window dressing at best, con-man at worst.
This guy is a perfect example that an intelligent person can say stupid things. He refuses to stay in his lane and believes himself an expert in anything.
Jordan Peterson is also a prime example of somebody stupid swallowing a thesaurus and using it to not sound dumb 😅
@@A_Turner copium
It's weird. A few years ago when he would talk about his red meat only diet he was couch it in 'I'm no expert, all I can say is it worked for me.' Now he's bordering on Liver King levels of nutritional bullshit? Times change, huh.
That is not true at all
The editing/production of your vids is getting better and better.
So true about the nutrition “teams”. People defend their team at all costs, not a great way to the most accurate information
“The government said to eat more carbs, and that made people obese.”
I thought Jordan Peterson was a champion of personal responsibility, but he says it’s the government’s fault that people have gotten fatter. 😂
Loved the video, editing is getting better each time xD
I always respect Layne’s knowledge and opinions. The fact that he is wearing a Vortex hat…. New level of respect
"This is the problem with people who speak outside their area of expertise."
That pretty much summarizes 99% of fitness influncers.
And 99% of JP speeches
I just came back from a 30 day trip in Italy, I was there with a friend who is very lactose intolerant, he ate gelato every day and NEVER got sick.. My other friend went previously and told us stories about how she could eat all the pasta she wanted and she had SEVERE celiacs disease, never got sick. Both these people ate tons of pasta and ice cream and lost weight on their trips. The problem with the agriculture and dairy industry in USA is way more than just the diet recommendations or what certain people suggest to eat, our foods nutritional value is really poor, and we stuff ourselves full of preservatives, and eat things sprayed with pesticides, crap thats just not supposed to be in our bodies. We have focused on profit over quality for so long that you can eat a giant apple and never feel full, you get these HUGE strawberries which cost more because they weigh more, yet are not even close to as nutritious, sweet, and filling as other countries strawberries which are much much smaller. The bread we eat in America is basically poison. If you looks at the ingredients of most bread in the US its like a paragraph, if you go to places like Italy and France, their bread has like 5 ingredients. This is why people who have celiacs disease or have terrible lactose intolerance can eat tons of pasta and gelato in many places of the EU and not get sick.
I’ve stayed away from gluten for over 10 years due to inflammation and recently bought flour from France to make bread, no issues! Also tried pasta that was a “product of Italy”, no issues! So yes our food is definitely to blame in how it is processed and manufactured. Our wheat goes through radiation, I can’t imagine that helps the nutritional value!
I agree; I’m also lactose intolerant and was able to have lots of dairy with no issues. Weirdly enough, I’m also very sensitive to coffee and even having decaf coffee makes me feel jittery, but I was able to have cups of espresso and didn’t feel jittery once! From my experience I concluded there’s something really weird and off with North American products, but of course, just my experience.
Everywhere you look groceries etc has added sugar, the biggest scam was 99% fat free it should of been 99% sugar free, fruit, veg, nuts etc, fish, some meat, cut the sugar and processed foods and refined carbs where you can, thats what i do anyway.
Thank you for that great and respectful response. Because Jpeterson has done amazing things
You went very easy on Dr. Peterson I feel 😅
such a good video montage!!! I lost it when I saw the prehistorical dudes with spears😂
The "team" issue seems to be the case with damn near everything now.
That, and more and more polarization and going to extremes. Balance, nuance, holistic logic, etc seems to be going right out the window.
Perfect "What the Fitness?" video to follow up a video I just watched on American vs. European healthcare.
the editing in this video was gold
Nice video, thanks for putting everything in context. BTW I love your App, CD-App helped me for making weight for my fight. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I got into a silly discussion on Facebook with a group of people that were touting keto as the *only* way to get lean.
I cited a plethora of people/athletes that consume carbs & are lean & the funniest response I got was that, apparently, you can only be "temporarily" lean if you consume carbs.
You're basically in a state of pre-fat or faux leanness.
I fucking despair.
Similarly ignore the blue zones and choose the Inuit as a model for a healthy lifestyle.
You should probably look at more of his assertions around "science". That will no doubt undercut any residual respect you might still have for him on the philosophy front
Well said
Such as??
@@pattybaselines The laughable assertion that human beings “divulged” from lobsters springs to mind, but probably any of them
This.... All day This.... I don't know how layne can be so scpetically/empirically minded and hold any respect for peterson.
@@pattybaselines the idea that the common use of intwined snakes throughout multiple cultures leads to the conclusion those cultures knew about the double helix DNA structure before modern scientists..... just as a quick one....
Crazy to see that layne is still so underrated.
There is a reason for it
Heck Yes! Good job explaining THE PROCESS!
Great impartial video, love to see balanced takes. This is what's right, this is wrong etc
Here's the fact. The food pyramid was not at all based on science.
Peterson's story is still worth listening to because he was able to heal himself largely without the help of the medical field all while going against what would be considered good dietary recommendations. As he would say, "That's not nothing."
To me this points to an area where we need to question our fundamental understanding of many things nutrition related.
Since he has such a restrictive diet he's not consuming something that was giving him issues. Eating all meat wasnt the cure. The cure was removing whatever it was that gave him issues. He could still eat a balanced diet and not have issues anymore.
This is the thing a lot of people do when they go on a fad diet. They cut out processed junk, eat less, lose weight get in better shape and they say that specific diet was the answer. But people get the same results on all different diets. A carnivore will look and feel better and they'll blame their previous state on vegetables & fruit. A vegetarian will look and feel better and blame their previous state on meat. But the one thing they have in common is they cut out ultra processed junk and consumed less food overall. Jordan Peterson should just figure what foods were disagreeing with him and avoid those and he could go back to a more balanced diet and maybe he wouldn't be so miserable.
@@johnnyrotten1666 This is not entirely true, if anything processed food causes very little issues except in the long term like diabetes and heart disease because the food is refined, which means a lot of components that can cause issues are gone. Just as an example I can't eat whole wheat but I can eat all the white bread and pasta I want with no problems.
@@johnnyrotten1666i just have to say i dont like this guy jordan,lets just see how long the guy lives and if he has any health problems.the proof will be in the puddingas they say.
And here I was just going to go with, "correlation doesn't equal causation."
Jordan’s diet points are good… when he is speaking specifically about his health issue, and for those who have said issue.
The problem comes when he and his daughter branched it out to people without that issue.
Excellent work on this video Dr. Norton.
The main difference between dietary recommendations is how easy they are to adhere to. Eat less meat and more carbohydrates seems self-defeating compared to eating more stuff that's more satiating per calorie.
I can't believe it!!!! Someone finally stated the fundamental premise under which anyone, at any time should observe in assessing anything...you could be WRONG! Tribalism is a killer. Humble open-mindedness is essential. Everything in the world is mindbogglingly complex; particularly in human biology, which is still largely unknown and even complicated further because it's microscopic. I also find it no small issue that a lot of the "science" is horribly conducted and misinterpreted. Science is a combination of experimentation and sound interpretation (which includes effectively applying reason and logic). This is because it also always involves assumptions. Humility fosters objectivity and an awareness of conclusions ALWAYS being drawn within the limiting confines of what we know right now and that we can always be missing something. You just made me a big fan, Layne
it's ironic that after the huge carnivore trend, the new trend that is blowing up (at least in my algorithm bubble) is micronutrient density, which promotes eating a full range of whole foods, which is far more balanced than going extreme in either direction. Who would have thought we would go full circle just to come back to "balance is key" when it comes to nutrition, and yet most people still haven't tried to eat a balanced diet, long enough to see improvement, or they fall into fad diets with the hopes of making huge progress in a few weeks which is almost always false and unsustainable. Balance is key, but most people, even myself, would rather go for the fancy and quick option which doesn't work, rather than the "boring" and long option, which would actually give us results.
Oversimplification causes complex problems.
Unfortunately people who are experts in some topic tend to share their thoughts on many subjects they are nowhere near to be an expert of. That's the sad reality because it undermines credentiality of those people even in their own field of expertise. I wish JP sticked to psychology and philosophy. He's reeeealy good out there.
Same. Was a fan early on when it was mostly posts of his university lectures. Haven't watched him in years intentionally as even clicking one of his videos will turn your UA-cam feed into a toxic, virulent mess.
FTA! Great start to my Saturday, watching a biolayne "what the fitness" video
If you want a little clarity on the Canada Food Guide that JP talks about, look at the Canada food guide 2007 and priors, and then look at it in 2019. Even the government has shown they made obvious mistakes.
I generally like Layne, the problem with his logic(and Peterson's) is that alongside the food pyramid came massive subsidies for commodity crops.. which led to nutrition-less, high calorie, highly processed garbage Making those foods insanely cheap and highly available. The food pyramid only tells one side of story. Go look on any shelf in the middle aisle's of the grocery store and you will see the same things over and over again; corn, wheat, soy.
Love the editing
I love both these guys, and I respect the layne you took. Respect.
Hi Lane,
I get your point from a technical point of view; but also agree with general theme of the govt nutrition guidelines are biased toward industry rather than citizens health.
I feel your audience would have been better served with a more focus on the logical union ; rather than the non intersection focus.
I like your content & the emphasis on always question you own beliefs.
I hardly ever comment on social media posts. I recently purchased a subscription to the Carbon app…. I am an electrical/computer engineer & I enjoy your technical approach to these topics.
What does it mean for him to focus on a "local union"? He presented the logical case for why JPs claims are inaccurate.
One of my friend sent me a reel where he was speaking on the carnivore diet.. I told him pretty much the same thing you said at the start of the video 😂 I like JP ALOT but when it comes to nutrition better for him to stay in his lane
Really loved the editing. 👍
Agree!! Thanks for addressing this.
Most people didn't follow it, it's just that carbs are really cheap and tasty so that's why people ate more of it...most of the time
Did you get a new editor? I like it. I do think you should rethink your stance on JP entering the fitness world. He will be a net positive, just like you are, not perfect, but he will bring in an entire audience that fitness dudes will never reach and spark the beginning of a journey to healthier ways.
Have to admit, when I read a new study, first I try to see if it's a huge pile of BS.
Check if it's controlled, if it's double-blind, if the groups are even chosen correctly (giving an untrained person supps and force them into the gym can give you positive results for anything), if the sample size is high enough, if the testing does make sense bla bla bla bla.
THEN I'm going to read it and try to make a conclusion.
And you are right, everything seems to be a sports now and there are just teams and fans.
Especially in politics, where you can't even critizise Israel for their settlement expansion without being called an antisemit or critizise Hamas without being called islamophobic....
If anyone ever needed to loosen up, laugh and joke more, etc, it is JP. Dude is wound tightly and seems highly on edge most of the time. Why so serious so much of the time?
I say this as someone that definitely has a serious, deep, etc side. But let's not over do it. Just like in health and nutrition, generally balance is better than going to lop sided extremes.
Layne is so legit.
I dont get it? OH are the problem? Is norton saying that they are not?
3:51 That's his way of doing everything outside of physiology
The problem with the food pyramid is that there's no way of knowing if they knew people would have a hard time following it or not. The best diet is the best possible one that people can stick to. So was the purpose to make people addicted to unhealthy foods or was it just hijacked by junk food brands?
Peterson cares about peddling his political narative.
Mfs seem to forget that human civilization was built thanks to the agriculture of grains and other carbohydrates.
The carbs aren't the issue. The overconsumption of food is.
Would exercise have kept us from getting fat while following the high carb pyramid?
I wanna see you on Mikhaila’s podcast just to see what would happen
Jordan Peterson lecturing on health is beyond parody...spent more time in hospital than most nurses
Him lecturing on morality when he was a drug addict the whole time is worse.
Yes, he was severerly depressed and his family run with autoinmune issues. so that somehow its his fault?
Blaming jordan peterson for his propensity to illness be mental or physical DUE to its family history its beyond R... if jordan peterson should stay out of nutrition, you should stay out of the internet before making such a brain dead comparision.
@@JWB671 eh, we enter a grey area when we’re talking about PHYSICALLY addictive meds prescribed by a doctor. Benzodiazepines can give you life threatening seizures and permanent brain damage if you suddenly stop taking them, independent of whether or not the user is “enjoying” them or psychologically addicted. I wouldn’t call following the instructions of your GP and inherently immoral
@JWB671 This and the OP comment are garbage takes. I don't like JP but he was in the hospital because of bad pharmaceuticals that almost killed him. Also claiming someone is bad because they are on opiods is unfair too because they are highly addictive and hundreds of millions of people are in their trap. This is called the fallacy of hypocrisy
@@JWB671 Ridiculous, he was taking benzodiazepines as prescribed by a doctor while he wife was dying from cancer. You're a heartless bastard if you think this was a moral failing of his.
Well, experience you have when listening to his opinions on health/nutrition is same experience people who are in philosophy and social science when he is talking about that.
I would thoroughly like nutrition to be about getting the right answer over a team winning
"He's right enough to make a cogent argument that sounds good. The reality is, he's very wrong about specific things that make his entire argument invalid." Mfers will really watch someone step into their domain and be like "man this guy is really acting confident with his off the wall bullshit" but not turn a critical eye to the rest of the content they churn out. Why would you continue respecting his philosophical shit when you have evidence that he pushes bullshit in your domain? You think he doesn't practice rigor and logic in your domain but is a lot more rigorous and logical in his own? "I mean he is completely full of shit here but what are the odds he's full of shit all the time."
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Based on Lanye's last comment, get ready for PhilosoLayne.
im super late.. but i really want to see that race.. make it happen!
Totally agree.
Yes they put oils in the small category. They did not however make good tatic saying minimize oils. It was more of encouraging a lot of oils over saturated fats. Also saying in the Mediterranean they ate a high fat diet and u can use plant oils to mimic that. So added oils went very high.
Should the federal government be making recommendations on nutrition? with the nature of lobbying, it seems sketchy
I think peterson is a part of the hybrid effort.
That section about compliance in the usda dietary guidelines is pretty shocking.
i agree, i think the food recommendation with the pyramid had lesser of an effect on obesity. at that time though, they started replacing sugar with high fructose corn syrup. that is a small hidden ingredient that we dont know much about. could that be the reason the obesity went up at that time along with highly processed seed oils? something significant happened during that time, and i do not buy it was calories. like a few extra calories make people so dysfunctional that they turn into obese blobs.
on a side note, if 10-12 sets a week is recommended volume, and shoulders are 3 different muscle groups does than mean i gotta do 10 sets of front, 10 sets of side and 10 sets of rear delts?
shoulders is 1 muscle group with 3 muscle heads, but personally I like to do a lot of volume for shoulders
In theory, yes, but in reality, you have to keep in mind that the delts can get fairly sufficient stimulation from most of the upper body compound exercises. So for example, if you already do 10+ sets of bench press, incline press, DB press, chest flyes, dips and finish every chest workout off with push-ups, maaaybe you don't have to add another 10 sets of overhead press (that is, at least for the time being, you can always switch it up later on). When it comes to side and rear delts, however, you can experiment with lateral raises and reverse flyes for a while; if 10 sets of each don't fatigue you and/or if you feel you get significant growth out of them, there's probably no harm in adding those on top of everything else!
Front delt volume comes from pressing movements. Sidd delt from lateral raises and overhead presses. Rear delt comes from rows.
You can add some front / rear delt volume in, but you don't need a lot. Side delts just do like 4-5 lateral raises per push day
@@Morpheah There is harm unless you are a fan of German High Volume Training and/or are using PEDs. More is not better.
I've always preferred doing an extra exercise for side delts since they don't get hit in anything else. So instead of doing 3-4 sets for side I may do 6-8 total.3-4 each for front and rear. Sometimes I'll do extra for rear because my front delts grow better than rear as well. 10 sets for each head seems a little overkill in my opinion but to each his own on that one.
Layne looks like when captain america goes undercover and tries to hide from SHIELD in The Winter Soldier
Peterson engages in this same exact reasoning with his moral takes and what he tries to put out about evolutionary psychology. He has decent pop psychology takes that you could get from a cereal box. Aside from that he's a frickin quack.
Very well put, Layne.
He has a point. Before the government got in the food system people were naturally slim. There was rarely obesity, and gyms were not popular.
Is there cause and effect there? Maybe the government got involved because people were getting fatter. People were also leaner before the any modern diet was published, did all these diets cause obesity?
@@dankid1742 No, the government got involved because the president AKA one of the elites died from a heart attack for the first time, which they had never experienced before, so they wanted to know what caused it. If an average joe died from a heart attack at that time they would not care.
people were mal nurished which is why the government wanted cheap palatable food
I'm not seeing exactly what he said that was wrong. You didn't say anything specific that he said that was wrong.
Layne, What is the best scope for my .338 Lapua? #vortex
PhD social statistician here. JBP is promoting a subcultural ideology he believes in. It is more religion than evidence-based social or natural science. He's very articulate and, I assume, he knows something about clinical psychology. His grasp of everything else is more tribe supporting nonsense than peer-review based evidence being considered logically. He particularly likes a 1950s USA ideal that wasn't true then and isn't true now.
"He seems fine except when he's talking about my personal area of expertise" is a lot of people's experience with JP. It's a red flag. It's unlikely that he just happens to be wrong about the one thing you're an expert in. He's probably wrong about the stuff you're less informed on as well, but you can't tell because it's not your area of expertise
lmao like what. what is this FUD. hes a certified clinical psychologist and a very sharp mind at that - hes extremely capable in his domain. please show examples where he was “wrong” inside his domain.
The way dr Berg talks about bread causing autism is basically how Peterson talks about adhd.
I used to like listening to him until I heard him speak with seeming authority, absolute crap about my disorder.
Layne, I like Jordan too. I usually follow you for my nutrition advice though😂
editor smokin that good good, I mean that as a compliment
I've grown to like your videos.
"He's partly right and he's right enough to make a cogent argument that sounds good. The reality is, he's very wrong about specific things that basically make his entire argument invalid."
I don't really follow this Peterson guy, but I've seen two or three videos about his philosophy. Every video I've seen came to the same conclusion that you did. This must be his entire shtick. Please, bear that in mind whenever you listen him talk regardless of the topic.
You dont really follow this "peterson guy", yet you seem quite concerned with people taking him seriously. A detractor who's attempting to come off as less informed and intersted on the subject than he is. A clear attempt at decieving. You're full of shit.
It comes down to further contents. Do carbs make you fat = YES. Do carbs make you fat = NO. Both statements are true, both statements are false based on further content. If your carbs (or any favorite macro) are consumed with low satiety, triggering your lack of discipline, you'll eat in excess.
The lobbyists for grains has much deeper pockets, and produces more impulse foods/ snacks, junk food. I believe great observations were made on both sides.
Important distinction. Makes me want to hear your opinion on the ongoing immunity and prophylactic stuff.
You probably won't hear it - Layne stays in his lane, and focuses on nutrition and exercise science. I'm sure he has some solid opinions on the topic but as he said in this vid, people should stick to their areas of study when disseminating information
@@sagebauer1077 agreed. Just imagine he has some first principles he could share for future issues.
This is great, because I feel the same way about Peterson but have never really been a fan of his diet advice. Was wondering if he’d ever get on your radar.
You know about nutrition so you understand how ignorant JP is… if you knew more about philosophy or politics you’d also see how ignorant he is on those topics
The PacMan animation is LIFE fyi