How to get PERFECT sounding KICKS!
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All this effort and all this processor usage to try fix a kick? Its just over complicating things, just pick a better sample.
Just trying to get a little creative here with the clients project
12 semitones in an octave ;-) cheers
Yup :)
Its true, but he is referring to that he already pitched it up +2 semitones hence -10 would be an octave
Yeah he’s referencing an octave relative to the pitched up sample. ;-)
"10 semitones are an octave" i can hear Mozart slapping the shit out of you xD
Sorry... there were 2 shifters (one was doing another 2) 😊
Relative to the plus two on the upper kick. Listening comprehension must have been your minor behind music theory ;p
liked, subscribed and all that.... and just an idea - record your voice with less echo/reverb pleaaase - do it for yourself, i'm happy to be one of your 100K this year but..... this is distracting. or is it just me? hm
Sorry bud it’s just the room I have right now :)
For me this is pretty much overdoing of things, I think you could use less plug-ins, but more consciously :p like knowing exactly how they behave. You can hate me but for me the unprocessed kick had more “knock” sorry not sorry :D
it's just about trying to be creative. you don't have to use all these techniques :)
Been down that hole many times where I throw every expensive plugin and hours on a kick sample that I just can't get to sound right, I then swap it with a better sounding kick sample and with minimal processing boom, there ya go!!.. sometimes it's as easy as that🙄
Okay perfect kick, but this is THE PERFECT video that shows how it’s done💪 Enjoyed this alot!
Thanks !! ☺️
Im convinced people who use audio files instead of midi for drums are pyschopaths
Sometimes can be handy tho.. I usually use midi too ;)
So people that don't comply with your methods of producing aren't normal... lol
using audio is much better when you are layering sounds, it allows you to match the transients much easier
3:38 To my knowledge -12 semitones is an octave lower. I guess you meant lower a couple of semitones down the previous octave...? I was confused by it anyways.
upper layer is tuned 2 semitones up from original sample; so, to get the lower layer precisely one octave below the upper, -10 from original sample would be correct ... equals -12 from the upper layer :-)
@@TheGuacamoleXplosion Oh haha I watched it back, and indeed... I blame my fragmented attention span... Thanks!
kick; beater->skin->rim/ring->body->room.....make those 5 sounds work together,
and go from kick to kick-ass ;)
Send me let me see what I can do
Orrrrrr... throw that shitty sounding kick in the bin where it belongs and get one that works in the first place.
Also an option 😅
I was just searching for a video to help with my kicks the other day. This was perfect. Thank you!
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I hear reflection in your room and you are mixing in this room how?
Headphones mainly
Practically all kicks sound like dirty shit to me now. If i remove the dirty shit, there is nothing left to work in context. Conversely, if i get a kick to sound great in context, it sounds awful during an intro with just hats. You have to add subtle sounds to drown out the dirty shit hiss and distortion from people over compressing and overdriving kicks so they sound loud and fat.
Better to create from scratch. At least they are clean and need no over produced and saturated crap they sell in packs these days.
First you should never tune your kicks because they cause phase problems with the bass frequencies, they cancel each other and your start losing low end energy, second 12 semitones are one octave essentially not 9 not 10
Lastly Knock decap plugin are the go to to shitty kicks make them sound way better than all this processing just saying 😅
Only relatively recently discovered this channel, and I love it. You're a great teacher. Everything is perfectly explained, with great reasoning behind each decision. Good luck getting to 100k you definitely deserve it.
Thanks so much!!
The way you describe "clicks" is confusing to me mate. When I think of clicking in an engineering sense I think of samples being out of phase and making that popping noise. What exactly are you referencing when you say "click" when talking about your kicks?
Great tutorial, however a lot of this could be avoided (not entirely, this is great for sound design IMO) and skipped by selcting good samples from the beginning. Sampling an already mastered kick can get you 80-100% of the way there without any need for additional processing. Doing so gives you also more time to work on the rest of the track rather than just being constantly stuck with a problematic kick.
100% agree with you. Just wanted to get creative with the process. Wouldn’t have been a very interested video if I went “and in 30 seconds I changed the kick - see u next time folks” haha
@@NoizeLondon we want truths, not interesting.
True, and also you can use an average kick and turn it into a good one just with resampling.
damn you got more plug-ins on your kick than the OTTs i had on my dubstep bass xDDD
Cant tell if I'm doing it right, youtube quality doesn't match up
I’m been waiting for this video!!!! Thank you as always ❤️
Subbed my man grate content
Thanks dude !!
the 7 firsts seconds of the videos are so accurate
Hahaha aren’t they just
And loud
@@stuff4826 glad you care so much about audio! Maybe I should make a video and show this chump
@@nexusobserve go ahead bud
I admits one of my kicks seem WAY overpowering
Great content, but why are 9 or 10 semitones an octave?
00:04 that's exactly what my kicks sound like.
You use expensive plugins to fix the result…
Anybody knows COD Narco who plays call of duty mobile.... Sure looks like this one. Just saying 🤣🤣🤣
Ok. My kicks have life now🏃🏃🏃🏃😂😂😂
Elaborate ... 🤣
Thank you for video. But I like your cap, what is the brand? Thank you, bro
I forget the name but it’s like tentree or something ?
3 Compressors + 1 Harmonic exciter.... Stay away from too much processing kids.
It’s all about picking out what works best for you ;)
the room your in is bad for anything to-do with music mate
I know bud but it’s what I have right now. Produced, mixed and mastered records that collectively have over 2 million streams in here so it’s not the room it’s what you do with it ;)
Mate you cant mix or master in a room like that end of . " millions of streams at 1pence per stream and you can afford treatment , ave a word with yourself mister . Standard Practice treatment , hang some old quilts .
mate it only takes 20000 sales of any song to make it into a chart an get paid . You should be making story's for Jackanory .
Haters gonna hate 🤷🏻♂️
Get the 1.1.0 update for Kazrog bro. They have added the Collins 26W compressor to it. Sweet compressor. Just running your signal through the compressor with no compression is like being wrapped up in cotton wool. Fire on an 808 kick. Cheers for the video.
Got it thanks dude so sick!!
where you are is vibe in itself loool
Two questions if you don’t mind? A. Do you usually get better results with the sound shifter vs banging it in sampler and moving the playing note up and down octaves? B. Bark of dog vs R-Bass ? Do you prefer BOD or did you just use it here cos it’s free ?
Putting in the sampler is also my go-to and worth trying but remember it affects the length in the tuning process. BOD I use just because it’s free :)
What a view, you not in UK are ya?
Clearly not 🤣🤣
@@NoizeLondon 🤣🤣🤣 Thought it might be a fake background lolz
Canada broski
This is real life audio engineering right here for all of you who want to make this a living.
No it’s not the easiest way but it’s the most common situation you will run into with clients. Sometimes it’s best to just make it work
Thanks buddy 🙏🏼
See this is definitely a game changer...I am however wondering if there's a specific plugin or method u use when tuning your samples to detect if it's now in key as especially the kick or less tonal samples since they're very hard to hear it unlike 808s #TeamNoize 🐐‼
best way for me is to pitch the kick up 24/36 semitones and use a init synth patch and just play the note that sounds in key with the pitched up kick then when am happy i got the key i pitch the kick back down
I always try to do it by ear :)
@@NoizeLondon same its just much easier to here the pitch when you pitch the kick up a couple of octaves then drop it back down
Waves H eq or fab filter pro Q will show you a piano roll or if going over the fundamental peak will give you a frequency where you can search or see. Use your ears is a better way. It doesn’t have to be the root note of a track it can be the 5th as well. What ever fits the track.
You could have used eq a transient designer, R Bass and a soft clipper.
Man ways to get to the same destination
Yo Noize, watch out for that DeadMau5 roast, he hates to see SSL Bus Comp (the glue in this case) used on a kick 🤣. I don't judge it though, at the end of the day it's all about how it sounds. Peace 🥂
of course he does, he makes EDM and Neve sound is far superior for the "biggness" often wanted on eletronic
Everyone has their ways 🤷🏻♂️🙏🏼
Awesome video, I really like the step-by-step way of thinking. But I have to admit that I love the other kick better. It had a vibe. It was like a weird bongo on the street. In my opinion, but that is just me, I would have done everything you did but half the amount(split the difference type of thing) I really hope you don't take this the wrong way your mixing is amazing and the technic you showed us is also amazing. Thank you very much :D
Not at all buddy - music is all about sharing our opinions and subjective taste that’s what makes it so interesting ;) thank you for your input 🤙🏼
@@NoizeLondon besides the fact that, for some reason that comment was the worst comment I ever wrote and I am really sorry about it, I wanna thank you for your answer. You don't see that happening that much lately. I like to see that even if it was an older video you still replied to my comment. I checked your videos and I love your channel. Keep going , you inspire us and I think you make us all better at what we love and I am very thankful.
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First, thanks for a great explaination. Second, the way you show before and after is truly an advance. It's so much better than clicking a bypass or trying to click two bypass buttons in time with the music. Third, I can't argue with your results, but that's a hell of a lot of effort and processing. I really, truly think a lot of what you achieved with multiple compressors could have been achieved with a proper eq move and one compressor. But that's just me. As I said, I can't argue with your results. Also, a Pulteq night have gotten you the bottom boost and the clarity of the low-mid cut with one simple plugin. As for tuning the kick, yeah, it might be audible, but if your kick is short enough (and you noticed that the original was *too long*), there's really just no point in tuning it. As deadmou5 says, and I agree, if you need to tune your kick, you're really using an 808, and that's a different kettle of fish. Thanks again for the great video!
You’re most welcome bud. I love the different flavours that Each compressor adds. Ultimately should’ve just changed the kick but I hope that people can take even 1 or 2 techniques from this :)
@@NoizeLondon Yes, that's certainly true: I learned from all the steps you showed, so that's good. But, it just seems like a lot of redundancy. As a learning journey, still valuable. Thanks.
That studio.. is waaay better den any big producers close studio's
Thanks bro!! No longer there but was an awesome temporary spot 🙌🏼
12 semitones in an octave my guy
I know it is but I had 2 soundshifters ;)
@@NoizeLondon oh, you said you "tuned" it and that was +2 on soundshifter., then you duplicated and then droped by -10, sorry you have to drop by 12 to be an octave down from what you duplicated, am I missing something ? -8 also ? you bounce ? +2 plus -10 = -8 too.
It’s quantum physics at this point. Only scholars know the answer and even they say it’s buried deep in the Egyptian pyramids
I ended up pitching back up because it was too low but yes thank u for the correcting ultimately it was designed to be 12 semitones or one octave down
@@NoizeLondon 😎😂😂
Im trying to get that short powerful kick, just cant get that strong sound i.want
Gotta train dem ears fam
@@NoizeLondon need a solid sound source
Hey Fabio. Fabian here just wanted to say thanks for a great vid. I noticed I have same monitors. What settings do u have them in the back of the monitor? Mine are about 8 inches away from a wall.
I have mine flat I think 🤷🏻♂️
@@NoizeLondon 0db? Thats what mine are at. Wasn't sure what to set em at. Figured to really get a good mix 0 is best but in reality I have no idea lol. Thanks
Instructions in the manual my friend
Amazingly explained, thanks a lot for cracking the code!
You’re most welcome !
Just take any kick and add some plusdistortion to it. ;)
Good idea !
Logic Pro 10.6.2 All files browser always returns to default settings no matter what I do if I change the volume of the samples, if I minimize the date tab, or maximize the name tab. Same problem at your side? Thx Fabio
K712 pros? Nice.
Love them!!
As a mixing engineer I want to say that that was the best kick shaping tutorial that I’ve seen! I know there’s more than one way to skin a cat, but still that cat was skin lol
I can't wait for you to handle live recorded kicks. Those are simply the worst. 😂😂😂
Oh man tell me about it
slap some trigger 2 and called it a day
Lowpasa the gate detection circuit
Great vid! Do i always need to do so much processing on my kick? I lost count on how many compressors were being used 😅
I think there are more ways to achieve the goal, sometimes it's just the matter of preferations
no
You could pick and choose parts of the process to suit what’s best for ur signal :)
If you want have perfect kick the most important think is your room mate, without room you will never make a perfect kick. The most crazy about kick and bass is psytrance producers.
It’s called headphones 🤙🏼
@@NoizeLondon no
@@NoizeLondon The difference between headphones and loudspeakers is that each ear hears only one channel in headphones, the left ear the left and the right right. It is different when working with monitors. Nobody makes music only to be listened to on headphones only with the thought that it will be played at concerts, festivals or parties
@@LogicBomb34 your low end should be mono anyway. Your room isn’t gonna resonate the same as a club or festival.
How many records you made, mixed and mastered bud?
really cool tut!! THANK YOU!
Thanks for watching :)
thanks for the video fabio !
You’re welcome :)
Tune + EQ + Shaper ✅
Sure thing bud small changes with different circuits have their flavours ;£
@@NoizeLondon great video btw, thanks 😊
Do you have an alternative to the shifterthing?
Hmmm not that I know of... that’s the best for this type of application
There are lots of alternatives. There's the torque plugin. Most DAWs have a pitch and/frequency shifter. In some you can do it in the audio editor and then just duplicate that sample. There's pitchmonster. And etc. Sometimes, you can just cut out the transient (first few milliseconds) and replace the body with a sine wave. There's a million ways. Usually, you'll need to edit the sample because if you pitch-shift the entire sample, you destroy the transient. Then, you end up playing games with five to ten plugins to get the transient back. That's sorta what happened here. There are kick construction kits that have transients and bodies as separate, composable samples: you make your kick from the transient and body of your choice. (Bitwig comes with a bunch of these....)
Slap some rx8 on them kicks.
Can u explain it better? which plugin from rx8?
Lol just slap it on like all of them at 300%
you're a magician
Haha thanks dude !!
Great tutorial that's a lot of snow for London
Haha not in London 🤣
im guessing BC I moved from Brighton to the kootenays about hr outside of nelson yrs ago and I love it
Right on!
Great Acting
Lol
Adderar denna till mina bokmärken, tack Fabio!! 🇸🇪🇸🇪
great!
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thanks perfecto
You’re welcome !! :)
yh
How about just using a "replace track" function and adding a new sample?
How boring would that have been...
@@NoizeLondon :-) Great walkthrough
Thanks bud
Rahh
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What clicks?
Train them ears boyyy
Do you mean the high end of the kick? To me a click is like a noise at the end of a bit of audio or sooner background noise referring vocals, etc...
Back end of the kick
big up
Thanks !!
DoPE ⚡️
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area man adds a few compressors and some low end eq and calls it a tutorial
Ok you do better then
What was the point of making this comment? It isss a tutorial 😂 people commented and thanked him for the tips.
Always love your tutorials bro!btw is this song released?
Not sure to be honest ! :)
OMG U CAN TALK!!! TALKLESS
Welcome to communication 101
Hello Noize London, I'm listening on on of my least accurate speakers - laptop speakers, and within a few minutes of hearing you speak, that nagging feeling from the "room" sound in your voice, which overshadowed everthing you said, kinda irritated me. Why? I expected more from you. From whom much is given, much is expected. Suggest you sort out your microphone positioning, or use a lapel mic.
The audio from the drum/music was ok. But really did not enjoy listening to you on this video.
Hello Okay1, I'm reading your comment through my least accurate glasses - Specsavers, and within a few words of your comment, that nagging feeling of "this dude needs to stop trying to let everyone know he knows about room sounds" overshadowed everything you said, kinda irritated me. Why? I expected more from you. From whom much is written, much is expected. I suggest you sort out your unsolicited "constructive criticism" or watch another video.
The spelling/grammar was ok. But really did not enjoy reading your comments on this video.
@@molem348 you are very much appreciated my friend :) the unsolicited negativity is very much unnecessary and unwelcome
Hey bud, during corona I had to move to a new country and I was very lucky to be given this space work in. Unfortunately it was not treated nor was I able to treat it so I apologise for the less than high fidelity audio. I thought delivering would be better than not at all so I carried on 🙏🏼
@@NoizeLondon My dear British compatriot, absolutely understand your situation, was aware of it before I commented. My thoughts were "in spite of the bad room, with inadequate acoustic treatment, this is a challenge for Noize London, by which he can demonstrate some real audio engineering mojo". i.e get back to basics, and in a difficult situation, still achieve great results by choice of microphone, positioning and EQ. You are already pretty good at mixing. But I suspect that there are not that many people for whom mixing is a predominant hobby or profession. That market is dwindling, IMHO with most of the work going to a few well known mixing engineers, cos the big record companies, who bankroll/promote ALL of the money making hits, are not prepared to take risks, and they are the ones who pay decent money for mixing jobs.
Therefore most of your audience will be people who make their own music or in collaboration with others, who also have to record vocals, in relatively poor acoustic surroundings, not at the same standard as top studios, and it may do a lot for your followers, if you could show them how you, in spite of limitations, can achieve a decent result, demonstrating both the not so good sound as in this video, and compare it with how much of an improvement is possible with the various audio engineering tricks of your trade.
Sure with a perfect setup, it will always be easier to achieve top quality, but it would be nice for your "followers" to see how well you can improve your audio, when confronted with very similar - less than ideal - recording environments, similar to most of your followers. Should end up being a more connective video, than the usual plugin demo.
I must add though, I am becoming a bit jaded, by the conversion of so many online/youtube influencers, who only release videos when there is a product to be demonstrated. Not saying that you are one of these. Just that the authenticity of many channels as genuine informers and educators is becoming more suspect by the day, with more of them becoming mere advertising middlemen, for products/manufacturers. My issue though is if money has changed hands, which is good for the influencer, how then can I trust their review, cos money taints and colours all of us.
Look forward to your taking up my aforementioned challenge. Best wishes. Of course I enjoy watching your channel. Keep well and stay safe.
Before I go, what's your opinion on the Kali's. Did you create the DAW mixed aspects of the audio demonstration (i.e the sections where all the audio was from the computer only) via monitoring on headphones(if so which ones) or via monitoring on the Kali's in your ntreated room?. I'm thinking of upgrading my speakers someday - we can always dream, and my initial ambition was a Neumann K&H 80 DSP, cos I cannot justify spending more.
@@LogansLessons Its not about being negative, if only we can all receive the truth, including issues that need improvement, accept it well, as Noize London did, in his response to me. If I did not care about his channel, I would not have bothered to comment. I simply was letting someone who has previously set very high standards, in my humble opinion, that this one was not up to scratch. Feedback, honest feedback, not negativity, and I am sure we all do better if only people told us the truth.
I make an assumption that this channel is about audio, after all, so an honest comment about audio quality, on an audio channel, should be well received. Nothing wrong with that.