I enjoyed this episode, and as a smooth-brained action fan might have preferred it to 16. But man, like you said, what an absolute waste of top-tier talent to hamper them with such an abominable schedule. Such an all star lineup like this, we'll probably never get it again on this series because of the horrible conditions.
A part of me so hopes so badly that they somehow stay on for love of just finishing work they started on. There’s so much to do since the next arc is… eventful. I wonder how they would even get through it WITHOUT a proper schedule
@@Automatedresponsebot5 Listen, I'm with you. If I had it my way, we could keep these guys on. But it's hard not to feel selfish saying that. What's the good in having such a stacked cast if they'll end up being abused.
The "brokeness" of this episode was actually a strength, it felt surreal and omnipotent, as if thrown around by 2 godly beings such as sukuna and mahoraga. It was an amazingly directed episode in the end tbh.
looking back at this video, hearing you say that they probably wont finish those fade to black segments, i am soo glad that they did, weiling madafikng goat zhang
Vincent must've used some time bending cursed technique coz i can't wrap my head around how someone can animate so much content in such a broken schedule. Hats off to the man❤
12:26 This is exactly why I loved this episode even with it's flaws. I remember saying after finishing that it felt like a Mob Psycho episode had a baby with Monogatari. The insane style changes and sakuga madness, the rapid pace that almost leaves you behind, the fact that it feels more like a collage of layers at times instead of a complete seamless image. It could've been one of my favorites if given time, but the intense amount of skill, creativity, and especially problem solving that takes place here makes it one of the episodes I respect the most in recent memory. Thank you Go and Miso team, Gosso, the JJK staff and first animators, and Manko for delivering us these informative videos and posts. Also fuck Otsuka
Sukuna uses dismantle on everything, regardless of cursed energy, cuz thats his default attack.. that rule u saw was only applicable to his domain. Cleave is specialized so he doesnt rlly use it often. In this fight he only used it during the domain.
Episode 16 is like a completed big beautiful house, while episode 17 is a castle but incomplete with broken walls. (Sorry for this wierd comparison, only this came to my mind when I thought about these episodes)
It's so insane that episode 16 is being referred to as a house lol. It's still a top 5 best animated episode I've seen in TV anime. But compared to 17 it really is a house.
40:10 my take is that somehow water got into mahoragas lungs and he then adapted to that, which allowed him to do the shit he did later in the swimming pool which is why that scene was shown to then setup that scene later
9:50 Never doubt our CEO when it comes to hampering talented animators lol I think everyone (including me) loved this ep so much bcoz of how they r able to display the chaotic nature of the source material perfectly even with the continuity errors which I would say also contributed to it. Anyway thanks for a hr long breakdown video and also still waiting for that Yamazaki and niinuma video :)
@@ett375 not really if they managed it well(doubt) but don't expect the majority of the jjk staff to show up except for maybe few regulars Also it will depend on who is the new director since it seems like nkym is not the director anymore
@@userK894 Well there’s more evidence pointing towards Yoshihara which is an excellent choice for CSM. I’m not worried on the animator side because of Yoshihara connections and the other connections Seshimo have so we should be mostly fine if we have a decent achedule.
@@lazyworkingsloth yeh but if it's really yoshihara or not we still don't know yet coz there is also leaks that BC sequel is in planning stage and we all know he will prioritise BC over anything Director is really crucial at this point since most of seshimo's regulars r completely burnout bcoz of jjk so let's see what they will announce in jump festa if it's movie then maybe it will have a better schedule for it ig or the overworking cycle will continue again with more animators leaving.
@@userK894 Yeah Seshimo line is losing connections but Seshimo is still one of the best producers of the industry and also has the benefit of having all the amazing inhouse KA talent in MAPPA like Takafumi Mitani(HOW THE FUCK DID HE BECOME INHOUSE AT MAPPA?).
When I saw Vincent tweet that he animated that pool part in water color, I almost fucking cried. HOW IN THIS FUCKING REALITY DO YOU DO SHIT LIKE THAT?!
I want to see what expression Hakuyu Go had watching Vincent submit a fully completed water-colour animation in the same cut in which he also animated a whole city. Safe to say that Go will often turn to Vincent as the highlight action animator for his future projects.
This video leaves a bitter sweet feeling. While watching the episode I gave up completely trying to follow the action and just enjoyed the ride. It contains so much chaotic beauty that it felt like a huge sakuga MAD. I also have the feeling that it conveyed superbly the main ideas of the content: showing the insane power of the two monsters, character building Sukuna and Yuji's mental state. This video really helps putting into perspective the frustration and indignation that oozed from the staff's tweets. It must have been hard for you to grow more and more conscious off all the unfinished stuff as you breaked down the episode for this analysis. Really appreciate your effort❤️ Thanks for the video 😊
I can't reconcile those eyes, those lips, THAT chest hair, that maddening fiery passion, with the fact that you say you are still a virgin and with the fact that I can hardly focus on what you're saying because of everything my eyes can't stop looking at. You young sir are top quality content yourself, and the content you create is top quality as well.
Lmfao the consistency stuff. I rewatched this episode a lot cuz I liked it, and I don't think I caught everything. But some of the stuff with consistency just wasn't clicking. The plane one in particular, I laughed when you said that. The amount of times I rewinded tryna understand wtf happened lmfao. With that being said, still my personal favorite fight in JJK so far
I still really really enjoyed this episode over 16 to be honest but thats subjective. to be honest i don't care about the flaws it looks so good to me anyway i don't know its just me. and i like the op at the end it fits as its like Sukuna is laughing at Itadori.
I had a pretty positive reception to the episode despite noticing the visible gaps in production, but man seeing the full behind the scenes case for this really makes you wonder how this episode could have gone with an actual schedule. I genuinely hope the next episode with Mahito will be mostly complete cause no matter how good the sakuga scenes can be, it does get hampered a lot by bad direction and confusing cuts like in this episode and in episode 18.
Ayo, Mr Manko. I gotta suggestion 🙏🏾 Please make a video defining/explaining the main priciples of aninmation, And how they are presented in anime. (or rlly just action animation)
This was such an entertaining watch!!! I’m SO SICK of uneducated morons calling this episode “bad animation” and you’ve made it clear HOW AMAZING the final product was despite the awful schedule :) I was also wondering where you get all of your information about the staff who worked on the episode, and the work schedule? I would love to do some research for myself on the production of JJK :)
If i were to describe shibuya arc anime productions. It's basically halo 2 development of the anime industry. Rushed but Shockley great quality but something that shouldn't be fully praise otherwise we giving Manabu Otsuka more excuses to continue down this overproduction path.
I think you're confusing some things. Anime industry as a whole is over production. Every anime needs hundreds of people. Almost every studio is doing more than they can even if they don't have The Resources. For Multiple reasons
When the world needed the most, Manko returned. Great analysis as always. The place cut made by vincent made me think that Sukuna had hit Mahoraga with a piece of the turbine's helix, given the circular motion of the animation but it was actually one of the wings and I see it now thanks to you. Also some of the decisions on shading especially on Sukuna's face felt like incomplete ideas when I first watched but I'm glad it was a counscious decision. However the raw cuts really take so much away from this episode. It's sad really because thanks to eps 15 and 16 I started watching Mob Psycho and... Man, if this is what we missed out on I'm devastated. Props to the team to making it happen despite the conditions. Both episodes are still an instant classic regardless.
If you wanted to know they had to fix it Crunchyroll made a mistake and messed up the translations for sukuna's techniques it's malevolent shrine, cleave, and dismantle. They even messed up maohraga's name and called it makora
Manko Man back again. You’re the goat dog :) JJK is my second favourite animanga behind one piece so breaks my heart that the schedule was broken. Can’t imagine what it would look like if it started releasing around this time instead of back in july 😢still looks insane but damn what could’ve been if it was completed
These videos are so passionately packed full of information and knowledge. I intend to go though all your JJK analysis videos after I finish watching it completely.
I completely agree that it JJK season 2 episode 17 basically amounts to random well animated clips stuffed into an episode. Not only does the episode fail to follow the manga as the Jogo vs Sukuna fight did, it doesn't even hit its basic elements (Sukuna's intellect, the importance and function of the wheel, the Shrine revealed to be a physical shrine manifested into reality by Sukuna, etc). Things that are actually very important to the narrative! It is particularly strange coming off the Jogo fight where they hit ALL the elements of the manga. Most of this was likely do to over ambition and not completing signature scenes over random snippets of added content...which points to a problem in the allocation of resources. Sukuna's Shrine needed to get finished. The explanation of the wheel and its importance needed to be emphasized, and Sukuna's meticulous nature needed to be front and center. Instead we get random snippets of dialogue from Sukuna that are placed in random moments of the fight because the scenes where that dialogue belongs are completely missing in the final product. We get ANOTHER chaotic battle that doesn't reveal anything about Sukuna that the Jogo fight didn't already accomplish. There were also many stylistic choices like the song playing over Yuji's suffering that I simply did not agree with and actually weakened a later moment where Yuji recalls the massacre. There is a lot wrong with JJK season 2 episode 17.
Hey mankoman I'd love to see a video about an anime movie called jin-roh: the wolf brigade. To me the animation is absolutely crazy and almost seems to be all rotoscope
Hey man. just wanna let you know that i’m looking forward to the update for this- you clearly know a lot and i wanna know your thoughts on the BluRay version of this fight. I think it’s now definitively better than the Jogo fight, but that’s debatable for sure
the episode felt like a fever dream and I didn't know that a fight of this scale could fit that theme so well. very satisfied with the animation no matter how many times I watch it
1:13:30 as a manga reader believe me that was perfect choice for anime watchers it makes complete sense to not like it saying gege wouldnt offscreen inumaki made me laugh way too hard than it should
Individually the cuts are outstanding but when i watched the ep i was surprised on how messy it was, random scenes with great animation. We don't really know what is the real situation inside mappa but watching this ep is a reminder that animation is truly an art form but for companies it's just another way to promote and make money.
yea remember in hidden inventory the difficulty gojo had w red and how he couldn’t learn rct which is needed for purple and how only a few in gojo clan had even heard of it yet alone used it. Also mahoraga is kinda the perfect counter to gojo because he can adapt to limitless in order to hit gojo
The only thing that I was kinda disappointed about was Malevolent Shrine being cut. I loved the episode and all the unfinished things I chalked up as they were moving so fast perception and reality could barely keep up.
Thank you, finally. All of my friends thought I was crazy when I said this episode seemed so inconsistent and hard to follow. They just said it was a me problem. I really really wanted to love this episode, and yes, it looks beautiful in a lot of areas but it is just a shit show.
not really a shit show, most of the animation is actually really good. The problem is that a lot of scenes were not finished so they had to use weird transisions
1:45 bro you spoke the truth!!!! Hopefully mappa fires all the higher ups and makes the animators fully compensated, though that’s unlikely. We fans are so grateful to all the animators and artists and sound effect and music workers, you made my favorite manga into my favorite anime. We are all very grateful.
Thanks for making this video, while the episode was certainly the most ambitious as you pointed out, watching it felt messy throughout the whole episode, I definitely preferred other episodes over this episode because a lot of the animation in this one just didn't make sense. Granted Mahoraga is an important character in the manga that's currently way ahead of the anime, at the end of the day he's just a shikigami, not a real person, and IMO his importance to the story does not equate to the massive amount of effort and ambition that was pegged for this episode, as a manga reader, would've preferred if they were less ambitious on this episode and just tried to make a good episode that fit the story, looking back on the series, there's going to be this one outlier of an episode that sticks out like a sore thumb, but not necessarily for good reasons.
Given how quick the source material is for Mahoraga vs Sukuna, I actually prefer this - incomplete as it was - due to the chaos it represents. If they had time to fully realize a more synergetic take that fully captures their ambitions would have been fantastic, but, 6 months obviously wasn't enough time to dedicate to the episode let alone the rest of the Season. They should have been given a year space between the Hidden Inventory Arc and the Shibuya Incident, at minimum. But the greed of the CEO held the entire animation staff hostage and I hate to see the artists suffer as much as their art does.
It completely missed the point of the manga fight in terms of the narrative. It fails to adequately explain the wheel, fails to show Sukuna's sharp intellect, and has editing mistakes all over the place including in places that absolutely should not have mistakes. Whether or not a fight is adapted into a sequence that is quick or long is up to adaptation staff, but you have to hit the main beats to keep the story consistent and they just didn't. Sukuna's shrine is supposed to be a physical shrine manifested into reality, but they didn't finish the animation on it so you never actually see the shrine!
it ruined the incredible VA acting tho the song is fine and fits later shots, but the beginning should've been instrumental. also japanese viewers' reception isn't superior to overseas, it's subjective and many overseas viewers like it. don't generalize
@@Hetsu.. Jason Klum is one of those extremely biased and toxic One Piece fans on social media. That with some misinformation in his videos and attributing one of Yens cuts to another animator caused Yen to address him pretty harshly which caused a whole ordeal. Yen apologized for coming at him so hard but because he's a toxic person he's still being petty about it.
If u want to know more about maho's broken technique and how was he able to defeat a limitless and six eyes user read this Mahoraga's technique is to adapt to anything and everything that means if he gets hit by a certain attack he will not only adapt to that attack he will also adapt to all of the similar technique (within a certain time limit as we see in sukuna vs maho) as we seen in case of sukuna mahoraga gets hit by dismantle but not only mahoraga adapt to dismantle but also adapted to sukuna's cleave that's why sukuna needed to use his fire arrow which is entirely different from those slicing techniques. That means if mahoraga gets hit by one of gojo's technique and survives he will adapt to all of his technique like blue,red,purple and his Domain as all of his techniques are by product of infinity unlike sukuna who has entirely two different types of technique one slicing and second fire 🔥.If sukuna didn't had any other technique other than slicing technique ,mahoraga would have survived. And mahoraga's healing and durability is no joke either also everything is still not revealed about maho so just wait and Just so u know Mahoraga is top of the food chain.
Studio Pierrot animation producers: Naoji Hounokidani- Naruto and Shippuden Sadahiko Tominaga- Bleach TYBW, Akudama Drive Tetsufumi Hotta- Tokyo Ghoul Those that didn't have one main animation producer had multiple people associated with planning and production desk or people in positions equivalent to that of animation producer. Bleach for example had Yuuji Nonukawa, the founder of Pierrot. The only Pierrot show that did not have an animation producer or anything equivalent was black clover, and that affected things quite a bit.
@@-MankoMan bleach TYBW and Akudama drive just have tominaga credited as producer. Maybe it's just the recent Pierrot shows that don't have animation producer but that's just my guess. I was wrong about Tokyo ghoul and Naruto thoo. Thx for correcting me. Edit- I've checked some of the recent Pierrot's action shows. And none of them have action producer. TYBW, black clover, boruto, Akudama drive.
Im so glad that you not only break down the animations but also the editing/directing. Because I really thought I was the only one that was very confused with the flow of the action scenes this season. Beautiful animation but all the sequences together as a whole gave me the same feeling of confusion like those action sequences in manga. (where you kinda think you know whats going on?) Also, I felt like we truly didnt have enough time to get to know the main trio cast so the emotional moments didnt hit me as hard as they intended unfortunately - i feel like i know more about gojo, todo, mechamaru than yuji - feels like we barely even saw him in the show... Hopefully someone else also understands... 😅 Overall though, still insane production with iconic moments given how difficult it was for all the staff. 👍🏻 Excellent video as always Manko! It would be nice if you explained some terms you normally introduce briefly in your future videos about "melting" "schools" for newbies to sakuga like me lol.
When I said "school", I was literally just talking about the school building drawn by Vincent in that cut lol. As for melting, it's a bit more complex. When you make your fan animations, you of course have to make every single drawing yourself. In the anime industry however, animators make Key frames that define the important poses and movement that the in-between animators use as reference to complete the scene by adding more frames of animation. But when the schedule breaks to this level, the in-between frames either simply don't exist, or are largely inconsistent, resulting in the scene "melting". Usually seen in slow motion scenes because they require a large number of frames and the changes that occur between two drawings are very small.
Unless the person knows RCT, an user of limitless and six eyes, though still being incredibly strong; will not be able to use red, or hollow purple. (Probably won't have a domain either. Almost all sorcerors with complete domain expansions have RCT. There might be a few exceptions I am forgetting). So it is possible for that user to lose to Mahoraga. I am beyond certain than teenager Gojo, the one that lost to Toji, would have lost to Mahoraga. So yes, maybe that is the reason why the Edo period clan leader lost to Mahoraga. Because current Gojo most definitely wouldn't (to Mahoraga alone).
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Hakuyu Go: “Nuance”
Vincent: “Say less bro”
>creates casual masterpiece for the 63253rd time
Mappa : "You don't need to finish it tho ..."
truly both speaking and understanding the language of the gods
Truly a once in a generation artist.
I enjoyed this episode, and as a smooth-brained action fan might have preferred it to 16. But man, like you said, what an absolute waste of top-tier talent to hamper them with such an abominable schedule. Such an all star lineup like this, we'll probably never get it again on this series because of the horrible conditions.
A part of me so hopes so badly that they somehow stay on for love of just finishing work they started on. There’s so much to do since the next arc is… eventful. I wonder how they would even get through it WITHOUT a proper schedule
@@Automatedresponsebot5 Listen, I'm with you. If I had it my way, we could keep these guys on. But it's hard not to feel selfish saying that. What's the good in having such a stacked cast if they'll end up being abused.
Never say never
@@thetraplord1564 you’re right!
I slept twice watching ep 16 😅
The "brokeness" of this episode was actually a strength, it felt surreal and omnipotent, as if thrown around by 2 godly beings such as sukuna and mahoraga. It was an amazingly directed episode in the end tbh.
Thats why i love EP 17, it feels like a two godly fighting and the animation just CANT keep follow that!
looking back at this video, hearing you say that they probably wont finish those fade to black segments, i am soo glad that they did, weiling madafikng goat zhang
What ever other ppl say. I still love this EP.
I love sakuga
Vincent must've used some time bending cursed technique coz i can't wrap my head around how someone can animate so much content in such a broken schedule. Hats off to the man❤
Plus he just got done animating like 10 one piece sequences before going to jjk😂😂. Man is built different
Because animators like him are Extremely Quick at their job
Its what comes when you are good at your fucking job
It's difficult for me to watch 2 episodes of anime but easy to watch a movie length MankoMan video. Thank you for making these videos for us to enjoy.
12:26 This is exactly why I loved this episode even with it's flaws. I remember saying after finishing that it felt like a Mob Psycho episode had a baby with Monogatari. The insane style changes and sakuga madness, the rapid pace that almost leaves you behind, the fact that it feels more like a collage of layers at times instead of a complete seamless image.
It could've been one of my favorites if given time, but the intense amount of skill, creativity, and especially problem solving that takes place here makes it one of the episodes I respect the most in recent memory. Thank you Go and Miso team, Gosso, the JJK staff and first animators, and Manko for delivering us these informative videos and posts.
Also fuck Otsuka
Sukuna uses dismantle on everything, regardless of cursed energy, cuz thats his default attack.. that rule u saw was only applicable to his domain. Cleave is specialized so he doesnt rlly use it often. In this fight he only used it during the domain.
Do it a second time now
Man I'd really thought ep 16 was where they peaked & then ep 17 and now ep 20 too. These ppl are insanely talented to say the least.
Episode 16 is like a completed big beautiful house, while episode 17 is a castle but incomplete with broken walls.
(Sorry for this wierd comparison, only this came to my mind when I thought about these episodes)
It's so insane that episode 16 is being referred to as a house lol. It's still a top 5 best animated episode I've seen in TV anime. But compared to 17 it really is a house.
@@-MankoMan where would u place mob s2 ep 5 if I may ask?
@@squinn5904 #1.
@@-MankoMan agreed :D
@@-MankoManSaber vs Rider and Shirou say hi
40:10 my take is that somehow water got into mahoragas lungs and he then adapted to that, which allowed him to do the shit he did later in the swimming pool which is why that scene was shown to then setup that scene later
I like people who knows what they're talking about, I didn't notice all the errors in the episode aswell
Have a sub
55:35 I've seen that genga before and I refuse to believe that Vincent hand-animated all of that 😅
He is an absolute god
looking at the final product at 57:15 makes me sad though. All that detail, just to be completely smeared black.
Bro is back❤
Didn't realise how much work went into this episode o:
At this pont this is a community project, not a mappa project
"MankoMan uploaded the analysis!"
"I have work to do…"
"Fuck it! I'll finish it after watching the video!"
9:50 Never doubt our CEO when it comes to hampering talented animators lol
I think everyone (including me) loved this ep so much bcoz of how they r able to display the chaotic nature of the source material perfectly even with the continuity errors which I would say also contributed to it.
Anyway thanks for a hr long breakdown video and also still waiting for that Yamazaki and niinuma video :)
Do you think csm is gonna be screwed?
@@ett375 not really if they managed it well(doubt) but don't expect the majority of the jjk staff to show up except for maybe few regulars
Also it will depend on who is the new director since it seems like nkym is not the director anymore
@@userK894 Well there’s more evidence pointing towards Yoshihara which is an excellent choice for CSM. I’m not worried on the animator side because of Yoshihara connections and the other connections Seshimo have so we should be mostly fine if we have a decent achedule.
@@lazyworkingsloth yeh but if it's really yoshihara or not we still don't know yet coz there is also leaks that BC sequel is in planning stage and we all know he will prioritise BC over anything
Director is really crucial at this point since most of seshimo's regulars r completely burnout bcoz of jjk so let's see what they will announce in jump festa if it's movie then maybe it will have a better schedule for it ig or the overworking cycle will continue again with more animators leaving.
@@userK894 Yeah Seshimo line is losing connections but Seshimo is still one of the best producers of the industry and also has the benefit of having all the amazing inhouse KA talent in MAPPA like Takafumi Mitani(HOW THE FUCK DID HE BECOME INHOUSE AT MAPPA?).
When I saw Vincent tweet that he animated that pool part in water color, I almost fucking cried. HOW IN THIS FUCKING REALITY DO YOU DO SHIT LIKE THAT?!
I want to see what expression Hakuyu Go had watching Vincent submit a fully completed water-colour animation in the same cut in which he also animated a whole city. Safe to say that Go will often turn to Vincent as the highlight action animator for his future projects.
This video leaves a bitter sweet feeling.
While watching the episode I gave up completely trying to follow the action and just enjoyed the ride. It contains so much chaotic beauty that it felt like a huge sakuga MAD. I also have the feeling that it conveyed superbly the main ideas of the content: showing the insane power of the two monsters, character building Sukuna and Yuji's mental state.
This video really helps putting into perspective the frustration and indignation that oozed from the staff's tweets.
It must have been hard for you to grow more and more conscious off all the unfinished stuff as you breaked down the episode for this analysis.
Really appreciate your effort❤️
Thanks for the video 😊
YOOOOOOOO literally just screamed out of joy, at this point I gotta say thanks in advance, mankopeak
I can't reconcile those eyes, those lips, THAT chest hair, that maddening fiery passion, with the fact that you say you are still a virgin and with the fact that I can hardly focus on what you're saying because of everything my eyes can't stop looking at. You young sir are top quality content yourself, and the content you create is top quality as well.
Only fans at 100k subs ;)
I am ready!@@-MankoMan
Wtf😂
Lmfao the consistency stuff. I rewatched this episode a lot cuz I liked it, and I don't think I caught everything. But some of the stuff with consistency just wasn't clicking. The plane one in particular, I laughed when you said that. The amount of times I rewinded tryna understand wtf happened lmfao. With that being said, still my personal favorite fight in JJK so far
Basically what I gathered from the episode is that it is both be BEST and WORST episode of jjk
I still really really enjoyed this episode over 16 to be honest but thats subjective. to be honest i don't care about the flaws it looks so good to me anyway i don't know its just me. and i like the op at the end it fits as its like Sukuna is laughing at Itadori.
I had a pretty positive reception to the episode despite noticing the visible gaps in production, but man seeing the full behind the scenes case for this really makes you wonder how this episode could have gone with an actual schedule. I genuinely hope the next episode with Mahito will be mostly complete cause no matter how good the sakuga scenes can be, it does get hampered a lot by bad direction and confusing cuts like in this episode and in episode 18.
That J*son callout LMAOOOOOOOOO. Great work as always brother
Ayo, Mr Manko. I gotta suggestion 🙏🏾
Please make a video defining/explaining the main priciples of aninmation, And how they are presented in anime. (or rlly just action animation)
Love the title.
We are seated for part 2
This was such an entertaining watch!!! I’m SO SICK of uneducated morons calling this episode “bad animation” and you’ve made it clear HOW AMAZING the final product was despite the awful schedule :) I was also wondering where you get all of your information about the staff who worked on the episode, and the work schedule? I would love to do some research for myself on the production of JJK :)
55:30 Jesus Christ!!!!
If i were to describe shibuya arc anime productions. It's basically halo 2 development of the anime industry. Rushed but Shockley great quality but something that shouldn't be fully praise otherwise we giving Manabu Otsuka more excuses to continue down this overproduction path.
I think you're confusing some things. Anime industry as a whole is over production. Every anime needs hundreds of people. Almost every studio is doing more than they can even if they don't have The Resources. For Multiple reasons
@@A1000-b9s And how long you think this will last until the talent dies out.
@@catlike9444till a lot of studios go bankrupt
Manko Kaisen is back🥳lets goo
1:45 we love a good chibi reviews stray
lmaoooooo
Holy shit they assembled the Avengers of animators
When the world needed the most, Manko returned. Great analysis as always. The place cut made by vincent made me think that Sukuna had hit Mahoraga with a piece of the turbine's helix, given the circular motion of the animation but it was actually one of the wings and I see it now thanks to you. Also some of the decisions on shading especially on Sukuna's face felt like incomplete ideas when I first watched but I'm glad it was a counscious decision. However the raw cuts really take so much away from this episode. It's sad really because thanks to eps 15 and 16 I started watching Mob Psycho and... Man, if this is what we missed out on I'm devastated. Props to the team to making it happen despite the conditions. Both episodes are still an instant classic regardless.
About opening is perspective from sukuna saying you are my special
If you wanted to know they had to fix it Crunchyroll made a mistake and messed up the translations for sukuna's techniques it's malevolent shrine, cleave, and dismantle. They even messed up maohraga's name and called it makora
Manko Man back again. You’re the goat dog :) JJK is my second favourite animanga behind one piece so breaks my heart that the schedule was broken. Can’t imagine what it would look like if it started releasing around this time instead of back in july 😢still looks insane but damn what could’ve been if it was completed
These videos are so passionately packed full of information and knowledge. I intend to go though all your JJK analysis videos after I finish watching it completely.
Thanks
Thanks!
The strongest animator in history, Ryomen Sakuga, opened his domain “Magengalent Shrine” and started cooking so hard the Mappa building caught fire.
I wouldn’t mind seeing some tweets or community posts about the new stuff you’d wanna say about ep 16, it’s a masterpiece
Haruta has a name goddamnit. Sukuna is lucky he didn't go Beast mode.
59:40 Lise has worked in vincent sequences a lot so they are experienced in vincent's style
First! MANKOGOAT is back!
I see the plane crashing down as collateral dmg from Sukuna's music video type formatted badass slash
The legend has returned..
I completely agree that it JJK season 2 episode 17 basically amounts to random well animated clips stuffed into an episode. Not only does the episode fail to follow the manga as the Jogo vs Sukuna fight did, it doesn't even hit its basic elements (Sukuna's intellect, the importance and function of the wheel, the Shrine revealed to be a physical shrine manifested into reality by Sukuna, etc). Things that are actually very important to the narrative! It is particularly strange coming off the Jogo fight where they hit ALL the elements of the manga.
Most of this was likely do to over ambition and not completing signature scenes over random snippets of added content...which points to a problem in the allocation of resources. Sukuna's Shrine needed to get finished. The explanation of the wheel and its importance needed to be emphasized, and Sukuna's meticulous nature needed to be front and center. Instead we get random snippets of dialogue from Sukuna that are placed in random moments of the fight because the scenes where that dialogue belongs are completely missing in the final product. We get ANOTHER chaotic battle that doesn't reveal anything about Sukuna that the Jogo fight didn't already accomplish.
There were also many stylistic choices like the song playing over Yuji's suffering that I simply did not agree with and actually weakened a later moment where Yuji recalls the massacre. There is a lot wrong with JJK season 2 episode 17.
Makora big
Episode 16 to 17 is like that flirting vs harrasment meme in reverse lol
Hey mankoman I'd love to see a video about an anime movie called jin-roh: the wolf brigade. To me the animation is absolutely crazy and almost seems to be all rotoscope
Hey man. just wanna let you know that i’m looking forward to the update for this- you clearly know a lot and i wanna know your thoughts on the BluRay version of this fight. I think it’s now definitively better than the Jogo fight, but that’s debatable for sure
the episode felt like a fever dream and I didn't know that a fight of this scale could fit that theme so well. very satisfied with the animation no matter how many times I watch it
53:08 I just realized how good this cut look
1:13:30 as a manga reader believe me that was perfect choice
for anime watchers it makes complete sense to not like it
saying gege wouldnt offscreen inumaki made me laugh way too hard than it should
i also liked the way they used the song
Individually the cuts are outstanding but when i watched the ep i was surprised on how messy it was, random scenes with great animation.
We don't really know what is the real situation inside mappa but watching this ep is a reminder that animation is truly an art form but for companies it's just another way to promote and make money.
ITS FINALLY HERE WOOOOOO
yea remember in hidden inventory the difficulty gojo had w red and how he couldn’t learn rct which is needed for purple and how only a few in gojo clan had even heard of it yet alone used it. Also mahoraga is kinda the perfect counter to gojo because he can adapt to limitless in order to hit gojo
The only thing that I was kinda disappointed about was Malevolent Shrine being cut. I loved the episode and all the unfinished things I chalked up as they were moving so fast perception and reality could barely keep up.
I have no experience with animation, but this video was amazing
Do you think that the 17th episode will ever get redone or just finished to the point where it should have been? I feel as if we were robbed in a way.
1:01:24 im scared for my hero academia, final battle in manga has so many well drawn hands in manga, i can't imagine it not being 3d model
Probably pretentious older brother
Amazing content as always
Thoughts on the Kung Fu Panda trailer?
The Mappa staff genuinely make me sick
Let's goo
U back❤❤❤
Thank you, finally. All of my friends thought I was crazy when I said this episode seemed so inconsistent and hard to follow. They just said it was a me problem. I really really wanted to love this episode, and yes, it looks beautiful in a lot of areas but it is just a shit show.
not really a shit show, most of the animation is actually really good. The problem is that a lot of scenes were not finished so they had to use weird transisions
Finally.
as for the vincent city bg animation, you can find 3d models of city sections online for reference and zoom in and out on those for ref.
1:45 bro you spoke the truth!!!! Hopefully mappa fires all the higher ups and makes the animators fully compensated, though that’s unlikely. We fans are so grateful to all the animators and artists and sound effect and music workers, you made my favorite manga into my favorite anime. We are all very grateful.
Keep cooking brother!!!1
40:07 because he was thrown into a room with detergent(you can see in background)
24:31
Thanks for the analysis as always, you're def talented in your own way!
Thanks for making this video, while the episode was certainly the most ambitious as you pointed out, watching it felt messy throughout the whole episode, I definitely preferred other episodes over this episode because a lot of the animation in this one just didn't make sense. Granted Mahoraga is an important character in the manga that's currently way ahead of the anime, at the end of the day he's just a shikigami, not a real person, and IMO his importance to the story does not equate to the massive amount of effort and ambition that was pegged for this episode, as a manga reader, would've preferred if they were less ambitious on this episode and just tried to make a good episode that fit the story, looking back on the series, there's going to be this one outlier of an episode that sticks out like a sore thumb, but not necessarily for good reasons.
Given how quick the source material is for Mahoraga vs Sukuna, I actually prefer this - incomplete as it was - due to the chaos it represents. If they had time to fully realize a more synergetic take that fully captures their ambitions would have been fantastic, but, 6 months obviously wasn't enough time to dedicate to the episode let alone the rest of the Season.
They should have been given a year space between the Hidden Inventory Arc and the Shibuya Incident, at minimum. But the greed of the CEO held the entire animation staff hostage and I hate to see the artists suffer as much as their art does.
Yep it felt chaotic and spontaneous, they made the """"brokenness"""" of the episode into a strength
It completely missed the point of the manga fight in terms of the narrative. It fails to adequately explain the wheel, fails to show Sukuna's sharp intellect, and has editing mistakes all over the place including in places that absolutely should not have mistakes. Whether or not a fight is adapted into a sequence that is quick or long is up to adaptation staff, but you have to hit the main beats to keep the story consistent and they just didn't. Sukuna's shrine is supposed to be a physical shrine manifested into reality, but they didn't finish the animation on it so you never actually see the shrine!
@@Tyrantofthewind the manga's current arcs are disjointed and batshit stupid and rushed lol.
@@Hetsu.. which arc are you referring to brother ? Are you really talking about jjk ?
Great analysis as always. Real shame about the schedule fucking up art.
aot video when
What a insanely detailed analysis, you clearly have knowledge in depth of the topic!
Miso choose the specials
"Everybody likes it"
I haven't seen a single Japanese who joked about this
Just overseas problem
What is the specials you are referring to?
it ruined the incredible VA acting tho
the song is fine and fits later shots, but the beginning should've been instrumental.
also japanese viewers' reception isn't superior to overseas, it's subjective and many overseas viewers like it. don't generalize
Why he hates Yen?
Yen called him out for the way he makes his videos, misinformation and general toxic behavior.
@@frizen9328what? Could you explain?
@@Hetsu.. Jason Klum is one of those extremely biased and toxic One Piece fans on social media. That with some misinformation in his videos and attributing one of Yens cuts to another animator caused Yen to address him pretty harshly which caused a whole ordeal. Yen apologized for coming at him so hard but because he's a toxic person he's still being petty about it.
@@frizen9328wow, damn. Thanks for the explanation bro
I've been waiting for this!!!
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I LOVE UR THUMBNAILS
Thank you for making this
1:13:49
“Help” nice.
If u want to know more about maho's broken technique and how was he able to defeat a limitless and six eyes user read this
Mahoraga's technique is to adapt to anything and everything that means if he gets hit by a certain attack he will not only adapt to that attack he will also adapt to all of the similar technique (within a certain time limit as we see in sukuna vs maho) as we seen in case of sukuna mahoraga gets hit by dismantle but not only mahoraga adapt to dismantle but also adapted to sukuna's cleave that's why sukuna needed to use his fire arrow which is entirely different from those slicing techniques. That means if mahoraga gets hit by one of gojo's technique and survives he will adapt to all of his technique like blue,red,purple and his Domain as all of his techniques are by product of infinity unlike sukuna who has entirely two different types of technique one slicing and second fire 🔥.If sukuna didn't had any other technique other than slicing technique ,mahoraga would have survived. And mahoraga's healing and durability is no joke either also everything is still not revealed about maho so just wait and Just so u know Mahoraga is top of the food chain.
do you think they will polish this episode in bluray
9:00 Not a single pierrot anime has an animation producer even Naruto. I don't get how that'd affect things.
Studio Pierrot animation producers:
Naoji Hounokidani- Naruto and Shippuden
Sadahiko Tominaga- Bleach TYBW, Akudama Drive
Tetsufumi Hotta- Tokyo Ghoul
Those that didn't have one main animation producer had multiple people associated with planning and production desk or people in positions equivalent to that of animation producer. Bleach for example had Yuuji Nonukawa, the founder of Pierrot. The only Pierrot show that did not have an animation producer or anything equivalent was black clover, and that affected things quite a bit.
@@-MankoMan bleach TYBW and Akudama drive just have tominaga credited as producer. Maybe it's just the recent Pierrot shows that don't have animation producer but that's just my guess.
I was wrong about Tokyo ghoul and Naruto thoo. Thx for correcting me.
Edit- I've checked some of the recent Pierrot's action shows. And none of them have action producer. TYBW, black clover, boruto, Akudama drive.
@@-MankoManAlso can you please explain to me some more about the bleach situation related to Yuuji nunukawa.
IVE BEEN WAITINGGG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANOTHER BANGER VIDEOOOOOOO
can someone tell me how he watches these episodes frame by frame
Put the ep on slow motion and pause it all the time. 😂
His video player has an option that allows him to go frame by frame
Im so glad that you not only break down the animations but also the editing/directing. Because I really thought I was the only one that was very confused with the flow of the action scenes this season. Beautiful animation but all the sequences together as a whole gave me the same feeling of confusion like those action sequences in manga. (where you kinda think you know whats going on?)
Also, I felt like we truly didnt have enough time to get to know the main trio cast so the emotional moments didnt hit me as hard as they intended unfortunately - i feel like i know more about gojo, todo, mechamaru than yuji - feels like we barely even saw him in the show... Hopefully someone else also understands... 😅
Overall though, still insane production with iconic moments given how difficult it was for all the staff. 👍🏻
Excellent video as always Manko! It would be nice if you explained some terms you normally introduce briefly in your future videos about "melting" "schools" for newbies to sakuga like me lol.
When I said "school", I was literally just talking about the school building drawn by Vincent in that cut lol. As for melting, it's a bit more complex.
When you make your fan animations, you of course have to make every single drawing yourself. In the anime industry however, animators make Key frames that define the important poses and movement that the in-between animators use as reference to complete the scene by adding more frames of animation. But when the schedule breaks to this level, the in-between frames either simply don't exist, or are largely inconsistent, resulting in the scene "melting". Usually seen in slow motion scenes because they require a large number of frames and the changes that occur between two drawings are very small.
Unless the person knows RCT, an user of limitless and six eyes, though still being incredibly strong; will not be able to use red, or hollow purple. (Probably won't have a domain either. Almost all sorcerors with complete domain expansions have RCT. There might be a few exceptions I am forgetting). So it is possible for that user to lose to Mahoraga. I am beyond certain than teenager Gojo, the one that lost to Toji, would have lost to Mahoraga.
So yes, maybe that is the reason why the Edo period clan leader lost to Mahoraga. Because current Gojo most definitely wouldn't (to Mahoraga alone).
Can u use something darker for ur background image ?
Easier to focus on the animation and u
Love ur stuff.