Maybe it evolves to the xenomorph we all know and love, when it's infected by the goo .. perhaps the protomorph is its original form prior to the xenomorph, then David modifies it's genome to include an exoskeleton and other genetic improvements to aid it in becoming an effective weapon? or the Engineers genetically modified the protomorphs prior to humans arrival to the Engineer planet, or some combination of all? .. that's what I think, for now, anyways .. now to watch the video ;)
finished the video, I'm surprised we thought almost the same thing, especially the last minute or two of the video, very excellent presentation of the video too (y)
Rumour on the film set is that the new Alien wasn't meant to be so aggressive but someone accidently let it see Alien vs Predator requiem and it went on a rampage.
As you say, there is a difference in aggressiveness between the two : - The protomorph from Covenant attacks relentlessly without trying to hide or think it through, - The Xenomorph of Alien 1 is much more of a thinker, and was hiding for most of the movie. The BIG difference is revealed in one of the cut scenes of Alien 1, when Ripley finds Brett and Dallas trapped in glue. We therefore can assume that the xenomorph is more of a worker (just like an ant), meaning they don't ALWAYS kill their preys and instead keep them warm in case a bunch of eggs would knock them up. The protomorph is just a killer and doesn't seem to want anything else than emptying every organism out of their blood. The Xeno is a GATHERER the Proto is a HUNTER/WARRIOR/exterminator.
I do believe that the original xenomorph is the "proper" weaponized version that has been more "constructed" rather than evolving on its own. Both the Deacon and the specimen from the Covenant Trailer appear to be less controlled versions of the same thing, maybe a more natural form, maybe just an imperfect experiment. I believe the biomechanical parts of the original xenomorph might have included some kind of control mechanism, something that enables the "user" of the weapon to actually achieve certain goals or hunt specific targets. It doesn't make sense to just unleash feral monstrosities on an enemy. If you just want carnage and destruction, there's easier ways to do it. The xenomorphs must have had something that made them a better weapon than just a giant energy blast. Something that made them a viable weapon that we have not yet seen.
In addition to that, I still feel like we are missing a big part of the puzzle: The enemy. If the xenomorph is a weapon - what was it designed to be used against? In canon, we only know about the engineers but it doesn't look like they created the original xenomorph and even if they did, both for infighting or for use against humans it seems like a bit overkill. The way that xenomorphs are able to adapt to different species always led me to believe that whoever made these things anticipated to use them against a lot of different species. Why else would you need them to be able to adapt? In any case, it feels like we have yet to learn about the original purpose of the xenomorph.
MrMartechi I think the xenos were meant to be used as a weapon to clean planets of life, they were meant to adapt to the planets environment by taking on DNA from native species, also I believe that the engineers have some sort of a kill switch/antidote in the xeno DNA so that they can be stoped/ controlled, some sort of safeguard in case of outbreak, but no evidence of that in the movie yet, lots of good theories in the comment section ! thanks
It would make sense to have them as a weapon that kills *sentient* life, I assume. The movies are not quite coherent with this but at least in "Alien", the xenomorph specifically attack humans, not the cat. So maybe, they are meant to kill off civilizations but not the rest of the ecosystem.
yes rogert151, about the kill switch/antidote, I've thought that myself. it would seem dumb to use a weapon that turned out to be worse than the thing you use it against unless you had a pretty watertight solution against the weapon itself. An alternative is that a mad group of scientific engineers got carried away with experimentation, but that doesn't seem likely given the impression is they have birthed worlds, are highly tech advanced and seem to have distinct purpose. I hope in trying to explain it all they don't create a clusterfuck story full of holes. I'd have been happy with a straightforward alien horror series, but this is now full on sci-fi and there are standards against which a poorly explained story will be judged. so, no pressure lol. seems that David has contributed to this particular creature in some way though.
The original was still pretty savage lol, it wiped out the whole crew (almost). My guess is that if Alien was made today the Xenomorph would have been faster, more agile, cos it would have been CGI.
Greg Williams Yes the original was a badass but in a more methodical and stealthy way. This one is more brutal in the way it behaves and attacks, more primal.
SPOILER! During SXSW they showed that David is creating Xenomorphs through breeding. The alien shown here is a protomorph. I guess 2000 frozen colonists will give David ample resources to perfect the species, and since he's on Paradise he'll be able to send Engineer ships out to planets marked by WY for colonization.
I think the difference between the original xenomorph and the one from the covenant (protomorph) is similar to the difference between the two races of engineers, the engineers from the Prometheus and the ones from the covenant (from planet 4). The original xenomorph is more biomechanical, and the engineers from the Prometheus wear biomechanical suits and seem stronger and more advanced. The xenomorph from the covenant is more "organic" and the engineers from the covenant look more human and primitive, and don't have biomechanical suits. Since the protomorph was created by David using the engineers from the covenant as their lab rats, maybe the original xenomorph was designed using the engineers similar to the engineers from the prometheus movie as labrats.
Great vid, can't wait to see the film! This alien reminds me of the creature from Alien3; with its lanky quadruped stance, compact musculature and hyper aggressiveness.
The classic Xenomorph could be arrived at through one of two ways... ONE: We can presume by the precursor of its name, and due to its appearance in the first of three planned films, that the Protomorph is indeed a progenitor of the more familiar alien type. However, we can also presume that this is David's most 'successful' species to date leading up to the emergence of the "perfect organism." Now, due to the aesthetic differences between the proto and xeno types, we could say that the inclusion of a biomechanical element (and perhaps and augmentation in intelligence?) is due to the inclusion of another catalyst in the experimental process: Walter. I think that we might see David use Walter's technology as an ingredient in the evolutionary process building up to the black goo/synthetic hybrid of the xenomorph. That, or David finds a way to impregnate synthetics with a special facehugger (like the one shown at sxsw recently) and use it as an incubator for the first xenomorph strain to emerge. TWO: It seems as though a catastrophic event has befallen the engineer homeworld. The trailer shows thousands of petrified corpses around a temple site that proves this. Also, David has been experimenting with the black goo and doing autopsies on engineer bodies for a decade by now; I doubt this would have been even possible with engineers still living on the planet. The planet seems not to be an engineer homeworld but rather a religious site for the alien race. It would not make sense for a species of intergalactic "gardeners" to exist on one planet only, and I very much doubt that Ridley Scott would simply axe the entire engineer race since they are integral to the dna of these new movies. How did this catastrophe occur? I think our best bet is David and his experiments with the highly dualistic black goo substance. On the one hand, this can be the catalyst for life with a willing host, or it can be the harbinger of species genocide depending on how it is used. It is a bioweapon and a life giver simultaneously. So, with this in mind, it was probably a contamination of this element that led to the catastrophe on the planet. If the engineers find out about this, they are unlikely to be very happy; let alone the fact that a foreign agent is harnessing their sciento-religious construct to create destructive organisms that could potentially be a threat to their own species! Now, we know that the engineers are aware of these types of organisms due to their portrayal on the religious structures of their temples as seen in Prometheus. So what is to say that the engineers, upon discovering the genocide of their people by this imposter machine, do not unleash their own weapon of mass destruction on to David and his creations: the greater xenomorph itself.
this can sound very strange. I don't know if it happens to you too, but we are always eager and hunger for even more films or any quality work/project involving this franchise.
It's already established that the xenomorph absorbs DNA from host prior to gestation. We would have to see what the host was before knowing if this is a xenomorph or a protomorph. As of now the "on all fours" design would indicated the host was a four legged animal and warrant comparison to the xenomorph in Alien 3 which gestated from a dog.
Awesome video. I didn't even think about some of the things you took note on. Good eye. I personally think it's David's version of his own Alien. I personally think that the Xenomorph was created by the Engineers to be put on planets that failed to meet their purpose and the Xenomorphs would invade the planet kill the humanoids and return the planet to neutral state to start life over again. The Xenomorphs look more weaponized than the protomorph in Covenant. You see the Alien Queen in the mural in the first movie and you see the Space Jockey in Alien fossilized with millions of eggs. So you know immediately that these aliens have been around for a long time.
Or maybe just 38 years of technology in movies allows us to make a xenomorph as such... agile lean ... 1979 actors in alien suits you'd have to work on other movie techniques... limited lighting, 'stalking and suspense' etc
Fitness Fx One: Plus the original setting was not really a wide open space. The Nostromo is a pretty compact-close quarters ship. We didn't see the original Xeno move to its full capabilities because it simply couldn't due to enviroment. However it still managed stay well away and ahead of the crew with speed and finesse.
I truly believe it's a protomorph. There are just things that stand out on it that doesn't make it seem xenomorph. The head looks see through but the skull inside really doesn't look human at all so that really made me wonder, the body isn't shiny and biomechemoid-like it's actually pretty fleshy and grayish, the teeth seem more human like and lacks the canines like you explained and it's not metallic, it's lacking that Spine tube above the dorsal tubes which was present in the big chap alien and even the Warriors in aliens(only reason it wasn't on alien3 and resurrection is because the dog alien is a different sub species and the resurrection aliens have DNA altercations), it's limbs are longer than previous incarnations and it's fingers are long and flat which it most likely because it's more animal like than the xenomorph, and last but not least it's stance position in the final shot of the trailer looked animal like as well.
Has anyone read 'Alien:Engineers' the first draft of the Prometheus script? It is fantastic, huge shame they messed around with it so much, it would have been a far better film. It shows the engineers create several types of xeno biowepons to suit different tasks. The black Xenos have hard ridged exoskeletons for armour and perhaps vacuum protection. It also had a semi transparent whitish 'squishy' xeno that could squeeze itself through very small gaps, like an octopus, great for infiltration. It also showed a fight between a hard and a squishy. That would have been a sight to behold.
Geiger basically made Alien as we know it, Scott added plot and made a movie out of it. The original concept is of a androgyne with a phallus for a head. You can't rationalize that. You can't. It's a wild sexual fantasy. The franchise evolves as it goes but not the iconic "alien" creature.
JS Isidore I think that Cameron's Aliens actually sullied the creature by comparing it to an earth bound organism. The whole way that the alien was handled is inferior to its original source material.
i was thinking about the eggs earlier, so im guessing we get to see a queen too ? maybe in the already written script that's after covenant maybe even in covenant ? also i want to see the rouge Alien in an upcoming movie.
Whatever this *Protomorph* turns out to be, I can say I am okay with it's design. I just wish the classical giger-xenomorph race got some further elaboration, some extra added background. You know, as opposed to yet another unrelated strain.
I think they're building up to that. I think it was going to be slower but too many people complained about the lack of a xenomorph in Prometheus so he sped it up a bit.
Oh I wouldn't expect anything so perfect and brutal. BUT... How about hosts as: King Cheetah - faster, more flexible and agile runner with larger claws, perfect ambush instincts, and an unpredictable activity cycle Red Kangaroo - a human-sized muscular agressive xeno both willing and capable of blunt and lethal attacks alike, heightened jumping and leaping capabilities against both prey and obstacles, strong tail usable in locomotion and attacks alike, and a possible pouch to carry either chestbursters to the hive or facehuggers behind enemy lines Komodo Dragon - a robust quadrupedal serpentine alien with surprising bursts of speed, a new form of tounge smelling, slightly forked inner jaw, stronger than average bite, and constatly dripping and possibly somehow disease-ridden acidic saliva
Do you think David is perhaps trying to recreate the already (but perhaps extinct) version of the bioweapon Xenomorph from the original movie. Perhaps covenants Xenomorph is a prototype in that sense. An unfinished attempt for David to rebirth the original design of the alien. We see on prometheus that these creatures obviously existed. Perhaps the black goo is the remnants of them or a weaponised version of their DNA. If so, this is like the darkest version of Jurassic park.
Awesome video! The Xeno variant we see here is much scarier! I didn't think Ridley could top the Big Chap, which was scary, but almost beautiful as well. Big Chap feels "alien" to me (meaning alien in general like as not of the earth), while this creature feels more insect like. With an alien, you are thinking "what is it thinking?", but with an insect, its more primal, and just acting.....that is wild. The craziest part, is talking with friends of the series throughout my life joking how the original Xenomorph is so scary, could never get on earth and be stopped (this was b4 avgr....lol) and you could never see one and survive it. Now, here's one that if given chance, I'd rather see the original in a dark alley....but I know I'm dead either way!
I saw Covenant last weekend, and this new Xenomorph was absolutely terrifying. It is meant to be an earlier version of the 1979 Xenomorph we all know and fear (I assume that's what the story was implying anyway, it could have also been a different variety), but I think this one was actually far more deadly and skilled than the one from Alien.
one theory i always like is that kane's son look that way because of the environment in which he grew. absorbing metal structure of the ship to better blend in its surroundings. if that was the case we could see all kind of variations... think of the one that grew in the forest for example =)
I have a theory. Perhaps Xenomorphs do have normal blood. I think that the acidic fluid that comes out when their flesh is damaged is most likely a defense mechanism. What I think is that the actual acid come from glands and the acid is stored inside the dorsal fins, since they appear tube-like structures that seem to be used as storage. I think there is most likely an artery like structure that runs through the body back to the dorsal fins. When the body is damaged the artery has a way of secreting the acid out from the artery into the wounded area. The Dorsal fins serve as like a pump and reservoir that pumps the acid to the area that is damaged. That is most likely what the tubes are most likely there for.
probably just due to it's environment. every other pure alien movie was set in closed spaces, this leaner body is probably because the setting is more open. it's also probably more aggressive on the assault due to needing to track down prey faster. it seems much more set on kill than capture in the trailer.
Love the content H, I've just come across this now as a more recent subscriber. For what it's worth now that covenant has been out for over a year, I think maybe somewhere down the line after these events, the classic design has come from one of the embryos that Walter had stored in his body gestated over a period of time as a result of him forgetting he still had one in his body. Definitely plausible and would explain the bio-mechanical integration more
I recall reading somewhere, perhaps an interview with Gieger or Scott, that the environment the creature was in was a modifying factor in the appearance of the Xenomorph in the original Alien which is why it had bio-mechanical characteristics. Those bio-mechanical characteristic helped it blend in with it's surroundings making it a more effective killer. This, in addition to the host DNA could explain all the variety we see in creatures resulting from human hosts.
Well, the trailer shows Billy Cruddup's character on the ground in the throes of a chestburster coming out his chest. It's very brief, but screen captures i've seen reveal this to be the case. David presumably lures him into whatever room/cave/part of the engineer ship that has the eggs and from there we know what happens to him. I really wish they hadn't put that part in the trailer. They could have shown the leaping facehugger closeup, the eggs without seeing his character etc.
The filmmaker's visualization abilities together with the concepts changed over time. The screenwriters come up with new sub-worlds which get their own design - even though attempted to adhere to the original as closely as possible - but including quite some artistic freedom still - on top of it all. And that's as simple as that.
Great video as always. I'm afraid the creators of this series will outsmart themselves with xenomorph's origin. Despite that I have big hopes cause this is my all-time favorite movie franchise
We do know that Xenomorph takes traits of their hosts...We don't know how much those traits are important on the final apearance. (except for Aliens where they're all quite the same, but considering the lack of budget they only had 6 suits....soooooo). What we see is that the Alien from the original Alien has 6 "fingers" (0:43) and this one has 5 (2:37). I don't think if one can know if a slight change in apearance is a real hint or just a comodity to make the Alien look better or more aressive...to much speculation is to much sometimes.... Anyway, thanks for sharng your thoughts
This is a great vid, like all of yours. Going to be interesting to see whats up with this new type, and it's relationship with David. Random factoid: Giger is actually pronounced "Geeger" (The Gi sounding like "Geese") .. It took me a very long time to be able to stop saying it "Guyger" :(
My best theory is this Protomorph isnt really a true Alien that we all know and already Existed in the avp universe. The Protomorph is just a dumb watered down version. Alien Covenant was nothing of the Alien lore it's just a twisted version a insult to the Alien universe.
Something needs to be kept in mind, in regard to "The Big Chap.' It was a suit, and it was the late 70s. Their ability to create and display the concept designs of the Original Alien, were limited. The reason there is more bulk, webbing between the fingers and less prominence in its see through dome is the fact that "The Big Chap' had to be worn and was a suit with an actual person inside it. That alone accounts for the difference in standing upright or being on all fours. The see through dome was to allow the guy to see, explained in the making of Alien, and Ripley Scott also explains their limitations in presenting the concept Xenomorph were due to present day advances in on screen technology. The only concept design changes from this Xenomorph from the original Alien are the lack of biomechanical augmentations. I would imagine that is merely an oversight or Ripley Scott simply didn't want the Xenomorphs to appear more biomechanical after their designs in the following movies seemed better.
Great video and good theories. My theory behind the Protomorph seen in the trailer is that this could potentially be a mutated/altered strain that David has been experimenting with on the Engineer home planet. More than likely David discovered the original Xenomorph strains and after some testing and seeing the life cycle of the creature, he believed he could make it better, superior even. Doing more research into the Engineer's own work, what he saw on LV-223, and even Humanities own work on biological organisms, David has successfully created this new strain of Xenomorph; the Protomorph; a more aggressive and potentially more powerful creature compared to the original, but one that appears less biomechanical and more organic like the Deacon or in his mind, like Humans. He is unable to test the strain due to not having any subjects, as more than likely by this time or beforehand, Dr Shaw has discovered David's work and his own purpose and has gone into hiding somewhere on the planet. Unable to test his work, David continues into other fields of work in the Xenomorph species and the spores seen in the second trailer, are a result and with the arrival of the Covenant, David now has many subject to test his progress with both the Neomorph and the Protomorph, and see how they compare to the original Xenomorph. A sound theory?
Firstly I'd like to say the content on hybrid network, this channel and alien theory is great. I can see why you guys recently collaborated. Second I'd like to say that Nicholas Hostetter also produces some great fan service to the alien franchise and makes some great theory videos. I'd like to see one of the aforementioned tackle the subject of the alien eggs on the juggernaut on Paradise. I think there are only 2 options here. They were there already, or David put them there. if it's the latter... then where did he get the eggs from? and what could this mean for Shaw? seen as the planet is indeed, lifeless. Shaw could likely be David's source for eggs. Which to me, kind of explains why Scott makes a point of showing us Shaw's dogtags. To make the viewer think she is dead so when her fate is revealed the shock value is higher. If she is a progenitor, imagine the state her body is in. I came across a comment saying David gets to Shaw and puts her in hypersleep so he can harvest eggs ready for the covenants arrival. Although I don't believe it fully, it's certainly possible. Fan fiction or close to the mark, it doesn't matter. The theory is part of the fun.
i like the idea of this being the "natural" or original alien and the ones from the old movies are the weaponized ones. maybe the engineers developed the black goo weapon based on their research about the species.
Naturally you're going to have variations in what the Xenomorphs look like from film to film just based on the art department and effects technologies available to the film makers at the time of production. However, I think this plays well into the nature of the Xenomorph nicely since they take on the characteristics of the host that births them. And now it seems even more so with variations in larval stage as well. It's one of the few instances where a lack of continuity in character design between productions can really add to the story.
If this story is headed in the direction I think it's going (if we even get another movie); I think David got one of the Engineer created eggs and experimented with it. Who knows, maybe somewhere on the juggernaut that David and Elizabeth left LV-223 in, there were already some Enginner eggs in an unexplored area and David found and utilized one of those for his experiments?
Still think Shaw is going end up being the big bad queen, and this comes from her want to be a mother but could not. It only makes sense for this, and one of two things I have been speculating could happen: 1.) Being the way she was introduced the black goo, we were left with the impression she gave birth to squid thing and Scott made us think that was all that happened to her. However, I think we all missed it with her. She could still have been changing and by the time David and her arrive to LV-whatever she is a large fucking queen protomorph and she kills every last engineer, and the few stragglers get faced hugged and become deacons who the crew stumbles on. The deacon-esque ones shouldn't come from humans. 2.) Shaw becomes a willing sacrifice and mother to something new, the protomorph, which seems more likely, though I am not ready to discredit either.
Going back to post-birth Shaw, you can look at it that for a woman who just had surgery and is pumped up on a downers (pain medicine) she seems more fit than Vickers and more agile than the engineer. Maybe she is because she her body is slowly changing into something else and she doesn't realize it. As ridiculous as it was for her to accomplish what she did, maybe there was a reason Scott left it out.
I would also point out that the protomorp is new in comparison to the xenomorph. You see in the clip of Aliens VS Predators that the xenomorphs were around far beyond human technology to be used as game making it newer. I believe that the link between human genetics and the xenomorph's are similar because the 'baby' Shaw ripped from her was a facehugger of sort that acted in the same way as the original though it has human dna mixed in making it a hybrid. If this makes sense, please let me know lol.
what do you think of this, in covenant , the alien has no acid blood and is light and nimble. the alien is then picked up and its DNA is modified by predators to make it a super weapon worth hunting, adding acidity to its blood and giving it a sort of armour(the metallic appearance we all know and love). This shows us how it came to be and why the predators hunt this creature so often.
I remember in a previous video you talk about how the type of alien is dependent on the host it comes out of, meaning an alien coming out of a dog, human, or predator are all different. could a difference between the original alien and the covenant one be dependent on the personality of the host it came out of. This might explain why the original alien was more calculating because he came out of a scientist and the Aliens in the second movie seemed more militarian because they came out of soldiers. just a little thought.
One issue with that is the Xenomorphs is Aliens were spawned from colonists not soldiers. I would think the change would have come from having an active Queen
At 1:25-3:43 is why Mr.H I would be in more fear even with the best weapons and training a Yautja(Predator) sidekick at my side would still be in total and utter dread of THE PROTOMORPH(s) than their cousin (XENOMORPH)..
Mr. H, I do believe you can glimpse a chestburster in action in the 2nd trailer at the 2:02 mark. The victim's back is flat on the ground and his chest is convulsing and spewing blood. I'd bet this is the origin of at least one of these Xenomorphs.
as we dont see the creature come out, cant say with certainty it is a chestburster ( even though it likely is ) with that being said, it could transpire that the alien comes out fully formed. difficult to know :) even though i think its likely a chestburster lol
The thing that makes it different is that now we got better special effects and they can give the creatures faster movement and make them do things they couldn't before. I'm sure that if this was possible when the first Alien movie came out there wouldn't be so much difference.
Im not sure anyone else caught it yet but there's quite a few literal "holes" throughout the body (not like holes into the body but like holed protrusions such as at the armpit and the lower leg having a small protrusion to the ankle
I think it does have a little bit of the stalking and bipedal movement that the original did, if you look at the shower scene, and the scene in davids workshop makes it look like it was going for a more stealth kill. Or perhaps we will see both of them in covenant?
I find the protomorph to look more dynamic than the originals due to the simple fact its shown in daylight..this new direction has breathed new life onto the slightly aged looking xenomorph design.this film will be awesome
Random Teori : The Xenomorphs take on traits from the egg stange, would be an easy way of explaining the differences between the Covernant Alien and the O.G Geiger Biomechanical Alien, LV426 seems be more "metalic" than the one we see in Cov
Xenomorph are like the short films in the Animatrix. They are all the same creature from the same universe, but are presented in different styles according to the directors vision.
It is so interesting to see all of these UA-camrs trying to rationalize all the different xenomorph designs. The only reason for these changes in every new Alien movie is probably to keep a sense of mystery. If the creature were always the same, we would've stopped being afraid of it long ago.
I think David finds a way to somehow use an androids tissues to alter the xenonorph in Covenant, to become the final, more biomechanical xenomorph. All of those tubes are visible when both Ash and Bishop are destroyed.
Not sure if anyone else said this but if I remember the bigger eggs with the bigger face huger's were the ones that would plant the Queens inside you and had the lesser seen elite guards watching over those eggs, maybe what we are seeing is the baby Queen or a Elite guard?
Hey, another idea for your videos! What happened to the scanning-spinning balls in Prometheus after it's destruction? Did they remained inside the crashed Juggernaut? Were caught by aliens? They simply ran out of energy?
The idea of this being the natural state of a Xenomorph appeals to me, and makes sense as well. To me, anyway. It makes sense because when you actually take a close look at Xenomorphs as we've seen them up until now, you can tell they've clearly been engineered into an even more efficient killing "machine" (don't even need 3 guesses to understand by who). I'd imagine samples of the strongest and smartest specimens were taken off their homeworld, Xenomorph Prime, by the Engineers. So I myself would class it as more of a primal xeno than a proto/primordial xeno.
I'm sure most would agree that the differences in 'movement' between the different Alien versions has mostly do to the real world technology of the time presenting the monster on screen more than anything 'genetically' different within the fantasy world of the films.
I think you could be right about the original bio mechanical Xeno being some kind of Improved version. Maybe the ones in Covenant will end up being considered too feral and possibly weak in comparison to the improved one, e.g. Metallic teeth and a tougher and thicker Exoskeleton. But like you said, whoever is engineering the aliens is yet to be seen.
There's one big reason these xenomorphs look so different. 1979 special effects; 2017 special effects. Now we are able to make the alien look and move in a inhuman way.
I believe it's just a simple design refresh. From Bugattis to comic book characters to coins and notes... everything gets a design refresh from time to time. H.R. Geiger's original design was beautifully horrifying and visceral but, in the end, what a xenomorph looks like will depend on the director, the story and how the xenomorph has to perform therein.
busy weekend! apologies for delay in replying to people, car issues! hope you enjoy this video :)
Mr H Reviews what would happen if a xeno gets infected by the black goo
+charles bond difficult to say currently, we don't know if there is a connection between the two so maybe an incredible result, maybe nothing.
Mr H Reviews do you think that we will get other animals in this movie such as birds or lizards or something like that?
Maybe it evolves to the xenomorph we all know and love, when it's infected by the goo .. perhaps the protomorph is its original form prior to the xenomorph, then David modifies it's genome to include an exoskeleton and other genetic improvements to aid it in becoming an effective weapon? or the Engineers genetically modified the protomorphs prior to humans arrival to the Engineer planet, or some combination of all? .. that's what I think, for now, anyways .. now to watch the video ;)
finished the video, I'm surprised we thought almost the same thing, especially the last minute or two of the video, very excellent presentation of the video too (y)
Rumour on the film set is that the new Alien wasn't meant to be so aggressive but someone accidently let it see Alien vs Predator requiem and it went on a rampage.
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+whitrulzes loooooool such a good comment
hahahaha amazing comment dear. I had such a bad day today and you've just saved it!!!
irina1296 I'm glad to hear that Irina. Mondays are the worst.
Mr H Reviews Ah thanks Mr H. Really enjoy your channel
As you say, there is a difference in aggressiveness between the two :
- The protomorph from Covenant attacks relentlessly without trying to hide or think it through,
- The Xenomorph of Alien 1 is much more of a thinker, and was hiding for most of the movie.
The BIG difference is revealed in one of the cut scenes of Alien 1, when Ripley finds Brett and Dallas trapped in glue. We therefore can assume that the xenomorph is more of a worker (just like an ant), meaning they don't ALWAYS kill their preys and instead keep them warm in case a bunch of eggs would knock them up.
The protomorph is just a killer and doesn't seem to want anything else than emptying every organism out of their blood.
The Xeno is a GATHERER the Proto is a HUNTER/WARRIOR/exterminator.
I do believe that the original xenomorph is the "proper" weaponized version that has been more "constructed" rather than evolving on its own. Both the Deacon and the specimen from the Covenant Trailer appear to be less controlled versions of the same thing, maybe a more natural form, maybe just an imperfect experiment.
I believe the biomechanical parts of the original xenomorph might have included some kind of control mechanism, something that enables the "user" of the weapon to actually achieve certain goals or hunt specific targets. It doesn't make sense to just unleash feral monstrosities on an enemy. If you just want carnage and destruction, there's easier ways to do it. The xenomorphs must have had something that made them a better weapon than just a giant energy blast. Something that made them a viable weapon that we have not yet seen.
great theory there man! really great theory
In addition to that, I still feel like we are missing a big part of the puzzle: The enemy. If the xenomorph is a weapon - what was it designed to be used against? In canon, we only know about the engineers but it doesn't look like they created the original xenomorph and even if they did, both for infighting or for use against humans it seems like a bit overkill.
The way that xenomorphs are able to adapt to different species always led me to believe that whoever made these things anticipated to use them against a lot of different species. Why else would you need them to be able to adapt?
In any case, it feels like we have yet to learn about the original purpose of the xenomorph.
MrMartechi I think the xenos were meant to be used as a weapon to clean planets of life, they were meant to adapt to the planets environment by taking on DNA from native species, also I believe that the engineers have some sort of a kill switch/antidote in the xeno DNA so that they can be stoped/ controlled, some sort of safeguard in case of outbreak, but no evidence of that in the movie yet, lots of good theories in the comment section ! thanks
It would make sense to have them as a weapon that kills *sentient* life, I assume. The movies are not quite coherent with this but at least in "Alien", the xenomorph specifically attack humans, not the cat. So maybe, they are meant to kill off civilizations but not the rest of the ecosystem.
yes rogert151, about the kill switch/antidote, I've thought that myself. it would seem dumb to use a weapon that turned out to be worse than the thing you use it against unless you had a pretty watertight solution against the weapon itself. An alternative is that a mad group of scientific engineers got carried away with experimentation, but that doesn't seem likely given the impression is they have birthed worlds, are highly tech advanced and seem to have distinct purpose. I hope in trying to explain it all they don't create a clusterfuck story full of holes. I'd have been happy with a straightforward alien horror series, but this is now full on sci-fi and there are standards against which a poorly explained story will be judged. so, no pressure lol. seems that David has contributed to this particular creature in some way though.
I do love how savage and feral this new xeno is, a drastic change from the original, but one that I will enjoy.
+Lord Apex likewise man
This aspect will indeed be a somewhat amusing twist to watch unfold.
Lord Apex this movie is going to be savage
The original was still pretty savage lol, it wiped out the whole crew (almost). My guess is that if Alien was made today the Xenomorph would have been faster, more agile, cos it would have been CGI.
Greg Williams
Yes the original was a badass but in a more methodical and stealthy way.
This one is more brutal in the way it behaves and attacks, more primal.
Xenomorph just a little different adaptation within the same family. Just like any other animal there are variations within the same species family .
+Peter Harper agreed
Peter Harper that or it was a standard xenomorph that was altered in its egg state by the black goo
SPOILER!
During SXSW they showed that David is creating Xenomorphs through breeding.
The alien shown here is a protomorph. I guess 2000 frozen colonists will give David ample resources to perfect the species, and since he's on Paradise he'll be able to send Engineer ships out to planets marked by WY for colonization.
Actually the planet Paradise may not hose Engineers but a another generation of humanoid beings , that look the closest to the Engineers
Alexandru Timofte maybe
I think the difference between the original xenomorph and the one from the covenant (protomorph) is similar to the difference between the two races of engineers, the engineers from the Prometheus and the ones from the covenant (from planet 4).
The original xenomorph is more biomechanical, and the engineers from the Prometheus wear biomechanical suits and seem stronger and more advanced. The xenomorph from the covenant is more "organic" and the engineers from the covenant look more human and primitive, and don't have biomechanical suits.
Since the protomorph was created by David using the engineers from the covenant as their lab rats, maybe the original xenomorph was designed using the engineers similar to the engineers from the prometheus movie as labrats.
Great vid, can't wait to see the film! This alien reminds me of the creature from Alien3; with its lanky quadruped stance, compact musculature and hyper aggressiveness.
+Enola Ayakashi agreed, very reminiscent of the runner!
Well if you were hanging on to a flying ship, you'd be on all fours too.
Just like humans in car chase movies.
Brenn Tantor Nah, I'd be cartwheeling through the air 😂
Enola Ayakashi yea it does!! very similar to the one in alien 3
bingo
Mr H These are some very cool images of the Aliens, they're real menacing looking, my anticipation really is growing for Alien Covenant. lol
yes man! agreed!
Your channel is great!!! Love the Alien topics no other you tubers do it as good as you do!
thanks so much dude, glad you found my channel :)
Mr H R Please do a video about the Falcon Drone remote cameras from Predators. A long and detailed one! :P :P
The classic Xenomorph could be arrived at through one of two ways...
ONE: We can presume by the precursor of its name, and due to its appearance in the first of three planned films, that the Protomorph is indeed a progenitor of the more familiar alien type. However, we can also presume that this is David's most 'successful' species to date leading up to the emergence of the "perfect organism." Now, due to the aesthetic differences between the proto and xeno types, we could say that the inclusion of a biomechanical element (and perhaps and augmentation in intelligence?) is due to the inclusion of another catalyst in the experimental process: Walter. I think that we might see David use Walter's technology as an ingredient in the evolutionary process building up to the black goo/synthetic hybrid of the xenomorph. That, or David finds a way to impregnate synthetics with a special facehugger (like the one shown at sxsw recently) and use it as an incubator for the first xenomorph strain to emerge.
TWO: It seems as though a catastrophic event has befallen the engineer homeworld. The trailer shows thousands of petrified corpses around a temple site that proves this. Also, David has been experimenting with the black goo and doing autopsies on engineer bodies for a decade by now; I doubt this would have been even possible with engineers still living on the planet.
The planet seems not to be an engineer homeworld but rather a religious site for the alien race. It would not make sense for a species of intergalactic "gardeners" to exist on one planet only, and I very much doubt that Ridley Scott would simply axe the entire engineer race since they are integral to the dna of these new movies. How did this catastrophe occur? I think our best bet is David and his experiments with the highly dualistic black goo substance. On the one hand, this can be the catalyst for life with a willing host, or it can be the harbinger of species genocide depending on how it is used. It is a bioweapon and a life giver simultaneously. So, with this in mind, it was probably a contamination of this element that led to the catastrophe on the planet.
If the engineers find out about this, they are unlikely to be very happy; let alone the fact that a foreign agent is harnessing their sciento-religious construct to create destructive organisms that could potentially be a threat to their own species! Now, we know that the engineers are aware of these types of organisms due to their portrayal on the religious structures of their temples as seen in Prometheus. So what is to say that the engineers, upon discovering the genocide of their people by this imposter machine, do not unleash their own weapon of mass destruction on to David and his creations: the greater xenomorph itself.
this can sound very strange. I don't know if it happens to you too, but we are always eager and hunger for even more films or any quality work/project involving this franchise.
Protomorph is not an early version of the Xenomorph species that appeared on Nostromo, but a recreation of it made by David
Great video! I'm sooo excited to see Alien: Covenant.
thank you :) likewise! its moments away really now!
I'm also looking forward to your review. ^_^
It's already established that the xenomorph absorbs DNA from host prior to gestation. We would have to see what the host was before knowing if this is a xenomorph or a protomorph. As of now the "on all fours" design would indicated the host was a four legged animal and warrant comparison to the xenomorph in Alien 3 which gestated from a dog.
+Kevin Keller crudup is the host. The designer has since come out and advised its entirely on purpose and they are edging towards the original look
Awesome video. I didn't even think about some of the things you took note on. Good eye.
I personally think it's David's version of his own Alien. I personally think that the Xenomorph was created
by the Engineers to be put on planets that failed to meet their purpose and the Xenomorphs would invade the planet
kill the humanoids and return the planet to neutral state to start life over again. The Xenomorphs look more weaponized than the protomorph in Covenant. You see the Alien Queen in the mural in the first movie and you see the Space Jockey in Alien fossilized with millions of eggs. So you know immediately that these aliens have been around for a long time.
Or maybe just 38 years of technology in movies allows us to make a xenomorph as such... agile lean ... 1979 actors in alien suits you'd have to work on other movie techniques... limited lighting, 'stalking and suspense' etc
Fitness Fx One: Plus the original setting was not really a wide open space. The Nostromo is a pretty compact-close quarters ship. We didn't see the original Xeno move to its full capabilities because it simply couldn't due to enviroment. However it still managed stay well away and ahead of the crew with speed and finesse.
Fitness Fx One it's like comparing a 1970 Dodge Challenger to a new one. Technology gets better things look a little different
I truly believe it's a protomorph. There are just things that stand out on it that doesn't make it seem xenomorph. The head looks see through but the skull inside really doesn't look human at all so that really made me wonder, the body isn't shiny and biomechemoid-like it's actually pretty fleshy and grayish, the teeth seem more human like and lacks the canines like you explained and it's not metallic, it's lacking that Spine tube above the dorsal tubes which was present in the big chap alien and even the Warriors in aliens(only reason it wasn't on alien3 and resurrection is because the dog alien is a different sub species and the resurrection aliens have DNA altercations), it's limbs are longer than previous incarnations and it's fingers are long and flat which it most likely because it's more animal like than the xenomorph, and last but not least it's stance position in the final shot of the trailer looked animal like as well.
+AutisticWhale 2 great comment man, thanks for taking the time to write that!
I feel like I see eye sockets, you?
it is! Watch the film and it's different. Not as smart and as strong but more fierce!
Has anyone read 'Alien:Engineers' the first draft of the Prometheus script? It is fantastic, huge shame they messed around with it so much, it would have been a far better film. It shows the engineers create several types of xeno biowepons to suit different tasks. The black Xenos have hard ridged exoskeletons for armour and perhaps vacuum protection. It also had a semi transparent whitish 'squishy' xeno that could squeeze itself through very small gaps, like an octopus, great for infiltration. It also showed a fight between a hard and a squishy. That would have been a sight to behold.
Geiger basically made Alien as we know it, Scott added plot and made a movie out of it. The original concept is of a androgyne with a phallus for a head. You can't rationalize that. You can't. It's a wild sexual fantasy. The franchise evolves as it goes but not the iconic "alien" creature.
JS Isidore I think that Cameron's Aliens actually sullied the creature by comparing it to an earth bound organism. The whole way that the alien was handled is inferior to its original source material.
Awesome Video. So what if the neomorph was modified by the black goo to turn it into a Protomorph. Like the worms in Prometheus.
+Stoned King very good idea man! Maybe! The only thing I'd say that casts doubt on that is the fact we see eggs
Mr H Reviews You got me there lol. Ok what if the black goo is the cannon form of Royal Jelly/liquid from the comics?
i was thinking about the eggs earlier, so im guessing we get to see a queen too ? maybe in the already written script that's after covenant maybe even in covenant ?
also i want to see the rouge Alien in an upcoming movie.
Jaaay g Yeah the queen would have to be there in order for eggs to exist. Maybe they get the black goo from the Queen's...
he seems purple in the comic, why would be be red ?
red would look better imo.
It´s T-Rex vs Spinossarus all over again lol
lol
Whatever this *Protomorph* turns out to be, I can say I am okay with it's design.
I just wish the classical giger-xenomorph race got some further elaboration, some extra added background.
You know, as opposed to yet another unrelated strain.
I think they're building up to that. I think it was going to be slower but too many people complained about the lack of a xenomorph in Prometheus so he sped it up a bit.
Hope so...
Earth animals should be used as hosts!
Brenn Tantor Like a xenomorph koala bear just hanging from a tree in the most intimidating way possible.
Oh I wouldn't expect anything so perfect and brutal.
BUT...
How about hosts as:
King Cheetah - faster, more flexible and agile runner with larger claws, perfect ambush instincts, and an unpredictable activity cycle
Red Kangaroo - a human-sized muscular agressive xeno both willing and capable of blunt and lethal attacks alike, heightened jumping and leaping capabilities against both prey and obstacles, strong tail usable in locomotion and attacks alike, and a possible pouch to carry either chestbursters to the hive or facehuggers behind enemy lines
Komodo Dragon - a robust quadrupedal serpentine alien with surprising bursts of speed, a new form of tounge smelling, slightly forked inner jaw, stronger than average bite, and constatly dripping and possibly somehow disease-ridden acidic saliva
Do you think David is perhaps trying to recreate the already (but perhaps extinct) version of the bioweapon Xenomorph from the original movie.
Perhaps covenants Xenomorph is a prototype in that sense. An unfinished attempt for David to rebirth the original design of the alien.
We see on prometheus that these creatures obviously existed. Perhaps the black goo is the remnants of them or a weaponised version of their DNA.
If so, this is like the darkest version of Jurassic park.
love that way of thinking tabby!
Perhaps
Awesome video! The Xeno variant we see here is much scarier! I didn't think Ridley could top the Big Chap, which was scary, but almost beautiful as well. Big Chap feels "alien" to me (meaning alien in general like as not of the earth), while this creature feels more insect like. With an alien, you are thinking "what is it thinking?", but with an insect, its more primal, and just acting.....that is wild. The craziest part, is talking with friends of the series throughout my life joking how the original Xenomorph is so scary, could never get on earth and be stopped (this was b4 avgr....lol) and you could never see one and survive it. Now, here's one that if given chance, I'd rather see the original in a dark alley....but I know I'm dead either way!
Once again top notch video! Keep up the amazing work man!
I saw Covenant last weekend, and this new Xenomorph was absolutely terrifying. It is meant to be an earlier version of the 1979 Xenomorph we all know and fear (I assume that's what the story was implying anyway, it could have also been a different variety), but I think this one was actually far more deadly and skilled than the one from Alien.
one theory i always like is that kane's son look that way because of the environment in which he grew. absorbing metal structure of the ship to better blend in its surroundings. if that was the case we could see all kind of variations... think of the one that grew in the forest for example =)
Mr. H coming through with the Alien insight once again!
Nice breakdowns and analysis on this universe! Keep up the interesting vids!
thanks man, more to come!
That shower scene in the first trailer certainly implied the jutting inner tooth/tongue with the sound effects and the speed of the kill.
the neomorph seemed way more feral and primitive then the xenomorph in Covanent.
I like the weaponised vs natural xenomorph idea.
very impressive. your skill of observation earned you a subscribe
tim gamert thanks Tim!
The new xenomorph could be one of those feral xenomorphs who don't live in hives
it would be cool to have a discussion on all the different designs of the Xenomorphs on the podcast. great video as always Mr H
If you examine the mural, 4:39 it looks more like Deacon, than big chap.
I have a theory. Perhaps Xenomorphs do have normal blood. I think that the acidic fluid that comes out when their flesh is damaged is most likely a defense mechanism. What I think is that the actual acid come from glands and the acid is stored inside the dorsal fins, since they appear tube-like structures that seem to be used as storage. I think there is most likely an artery like structure that runs through the body back to the dorsal fins. When the body is damaged the artery has a way of secreting the acid out from the artery into the wounded area. The Dorsal fins serve as like a pump and reservoir that pumps the acid to the area that is damaged. That is most likely what the tubes are most likely there for.
Saw the original Alien movie as a kid at the Cinerama Dome back in the day. It scared the hell out of me and made me a lifelong fan.
the things we learn !! thanks for describing and explaining !!
probably just due to it's environment. every other pure alien movie was set in closed spaces, this leaner body is probably because the setting is more open. it's also probably more aggressive on the assault due to needing to track down prey faster. it seems much more set on kill than capture in the trailer.
Love the content H, I've just come across this now as a more recent subscriber. For what it's worth now that covenant has been out for over a year, I think maybe somewhere down the line after these events, the classic design has come from one of the embryos that Walter had stored in his body gestated over a period of time as a result of him forgetting he still had one in his body. Definitely plausible and would explain the bio-mechanical integration more
I recall reading somewhere, perhaps an interview with Gieger or Scott, that the environment the creature was in was a modifying factor in the appearance of the Xenomorph in the original Alien which is why it had bio-mechanical characteristics. Those bio-mechanical characteristic helped it blend in with it's surroundings making it a more effective killer.
This, in addition to the host DNA could explain all the variety we see in creatures resulting from human hosts.
Well, the trailer shows Billy Cruddup's character on the ground in the throes of a chestburster coming out his chest. It's very brief, but screen captures i've seen reveal this to be the case. David presumably lures him into whatever room/cave/part of the engineer ship that has the eggs and from there we know what happens to him. I really wish they hadn't put that part in the trailer. They could have shown the leaping facehugger closeup, the eggs without seeing his character etc.
love long videos bro 👍👍👍💕
Thanks for the content, really hyped for this fight!
+Zantom what fight? Lol this is a comparison video
In the trailer it looked like there were two aliens. So I'm hoping they have a fight between the two aliens, whatever they may be.
oh yeah, there are neomorphs and xenomorphs...... the rumour is they fight.
Sweet.
I never heard Xenos were in Covenant just proto and neo
The filmmaker's visualization abilities together with the concepts changed over time. The screenwriters come up with new sub-worlds which get their own design - even though attempted to adhere to the original as closely as possible - but including quite some artistic freedom still - on top of it all. And that's as simple as that.
Great video as always. I'm afraid the creators of this series will outsmart themselves with xenomorph's origin. Despite that I have big hopes cause this is my all-time favorite movie franchise
I love the theory that what we're seeing is an organic Xenomorph but the ones we've seen in the Alien quadrilogy were weaponized Xenomorphs.
The Protomorph is the natural xenomorph, and the Big Chap is a, like you said, an experiment and a weaponized version of the Protomorph
I haven't watched a single alien or predator movie but I have watched like 40% of your videos
We do know that Xenomorph takes traits of their hosts...We don't know how much those traits are important on the final apearance. (except for Aliens where they're all quite the same, but considering the lack of budget they only had 6 suits....soooooo). What we see is that the Alien from the original Alien has 6 "fingers" (0:43) and this one has 5 (2:37). I don't think if one can know if a slight change in apearance is a real hint or just a comodity to make the Alien look better or more aressive...to much speculation is to much sometimes.... Anyway, thanks for sharng your thoughts
I always thought the xenomorph combined DNA with its host adding better traits to its self every time it meets with a new species.
This is a great vid, like all of yours. Going to be interesting to see whats up with this new type, and it's relationship with David.
Random factoid: Giger is actually pronounced "Geeger" (The Gi sounding like "Geese") .. It took me a very long time to be able to stop saying it "Guyger" :(
do you narrate yourself making coffee?
you have a very nice voice (No Homo)
MrMenzia um thanks
***** Me or Mr H?
dat bass
My best theory is this Protomorph isnt really a true Alien that we all know and already Existed in the avp universe. The Protomorph is just a dumb watered down version. Alien Covenant was nothing of the Alien lore it's just a twisted version a insult to the Alien universe.
Something needs to be kept in mind, in regard to "The Big Chap.' It was a suit, and it was the late 70s. Their ability to create and display the concept designs of the Original Alien, were limited. The reason there is more bulk, webbing between the fingers and less prominence in its see through dome is the fact that "The Big Chap' had to be worn and was a suit with an actual person inside it. That alone accounts for the difference in standing upright or being on all fours. The see through dome was to allow the guy to see, explained in the making of Alien, and Ripley Scott also explains their limitations in presenting the concept Xenomorph were due to present day advances in on screen technology. The only concept design changes from this Xenomorph from the original Alien are the lack of biomechanical augmentations. I would imagine that is merely an oversight or Ripley Scott simply didn't want the Xenomorphs to appear more biomechanical after their designs in the following movies seemed better.
Great video and good theories. My theory behind the Protomorph seen in the trailer is that this could potentially be a mutated/altered strain that David has been experimenting with on the Engineer home planet. More than likely David discovered the original Xenomorph strains and after some testing and seeing the life cycle of the creature, he believed he could make it better, superior even.
Doing more research into the Engineer's own work, what he saw on LV-223, and even Humanities own work on biological organisms, David has successfully created this new strain of Xenomorph; the Protomorph; a more aggressive and potentially more powerful creature compared to the original, but one that appears less biomechanical and more organic like the Deacon or in his mind, like Humans.
He is unable to test the strain due to not having any subjects, as more than likely by this time or beforehand, Dr Shaw has discovered David's work and his own purpose and has gone into hiding somewhere on the planet.
Unable to test his work, David continues into other fields of work in the Xenomorph species and the spores seen in the second trailer, are a result and with the arrival of the Covenant, David now has many subject to test his progress with both the Neomorph and the Protomorph, and see how they compare to the original Xenomorph.
A sound theory?
Firstly I'd like to say the content on hybrid network, this channel and alien theory is great. I can see why you guys recently collaborated. Second I'd like to say that Nicholas Hostetter also produces some great fan service to the alien franchise and makes some great theory videos. I'd like to see one of the aforementioned tackle the subject of the alien eggs on the juggernaut on Paradise. I think there are only 2 options here. They were there already, or David put them there. if it's the latter... then where did he get the eggs from? and what could this mean for Shaw? seen as the planet is indeed, lifeless. Shaw could likely be David's source for eggs. Which to me, kind of explains why Scott makes a point of showing us Shaw's dogtags. To make the viewer think she is dead so when her fate is revealed the shock value is higher. If she is a progenitor, imagine the state her body is in. I came across a comment saying David gets to Shaw and puts her in hypersleep so he can harvest eggs ready for the covenants arrival. Although I don't believe it fully, it's certainly possible. Fan fiction or close to the mark, it doesn't matter. The theory is part of the fun.
i like the idea of this being the "natural" or original alien and the ones from the old movies are the weaponized ones. maybe the engineers developed the black goo weapon based on their research about the species.
Also that protomorph sounds like a savage lol
Naturally you're going to have variations in what the Xenomorphs look like from film to film just based on the art department and effects technologies available to the film makers at the time of production. However, I think this plays well into the nature of the Xenomorph nicely since they take on the characteristics of the host that births them. And now it seems even more so with variations in larval stage as well. It's one of the few instances where a lack of continuity in character design between productions can really add to the story.
+Listening Point completely agree man, good point there! Nice to have you back in the comments section :)
If this story is headed in the direction I think it's going (if we even get another movie); I think David got one of the Engineer created eggs and experimented with it. Who knows, maybe somewhere on the juggernaut that David and Elizabeth left LV-223 in, there were already some Enginner eggs in an unexplored area and David found and utilized one of those for his experiments?
Still think Shaw is going end up being the big bad queen, and this comes from her want to be a mother but could not. It only makes sense for this, and one of two things I have been speculating could happen: 1.) Being the way she was introduced the black goo, we were left with the impression she gave birth to squid thing and Scott made us think that was all that happened to her. However, I think we all missed it with her. She could still have been changing and by the time David and her arrive to LV-whatever she is a large fucking queen protomorph and she kills every last engineer, and the few stragglers get faced hugged and become deacons who the crew stumbles on. The deacon-esque ones shouldn't come from humans. 2.) Shaw becomes a willing sacrifice and mother to something new, the protomorph, which seems more likely, though I am not ready to discredit either.
Going back to post-birth Shaw, you can look at it that for a woman who just had surgery and is pumped up on a downers (pain medicine) she seems more fit than Vickers and more agile than the engineer. Maybe she is because she her body is slowly changing into something else and she doesn't realize it. As ridiculous as it was for her to accomplish what she did, maybe there was a reason Scott left it out.
you are maybe close to the truth, David used her to make the eggs im sure
Good points, well made :)
Anyone else think the best looking aliens were the ones used in Alien Resurrection ?
With the slightly smaller/shorter head and the inverted knees.
I would also point out that the protomorp is new in comparison to the xenomorph. You see in the clip of Aliens VS Predators that the xenomorphs were around far beyond human technology to be used as game making it newer. I believe that the link between human genetics and the xenomorph's are similar because the 'baby' Shaw ripped from her was a facehugger of sort that acted in the same way as the original though it has human dna mixed in making it a hybrid. If this makes sense, please let me know lol.
what do you think of this, in covenant , the alien has no acid blood and is light and nimble. the alien is then picked up and its DNA is modified by predators to make it a super weapon worth hunting, adding acidity to its blood and giving it a sort of armour(the metallic appearance we all know and love). This shows us how it came to be and why the predators hunt this creature so often.
I remember in a previous video you talk about how the type of alien is dependent on the host it comes out of, meaning an alien coming out of a dog, human, or predator are all different. could a difference between the original alien and the covenant one be dependent on the personality of the host it came out of. This might explain why the original alien was more calculating because he came out of a scientist and the Aliens in the second movie seemed more militarian because they came out of soldiers. just a little thought.
One issue with that is the Xenomorphs is Aliens were spawned from colonists not soldiers. I would think the change would have come from having an active Queen
I do like the Protomorph its a good start to show the beginning of the fiend we have all grown to love
At 1:25-3:43 is why Mr.H I would be in more fear even with the best weapons and training a Yautja(Predator) sidekick
at my side would still be in total and utter dread of THE PROTOMORPH(s) than their cousin (XENOMORPH)..
maybe it was aggressive because it was lacking a queen or maybe effects of becoming a new queen?
Mr. H, I do believe you can glimpse a chestburster in action in the 2nd trailer at the 2:02 mark. The victim's back is flat on the ground and his chest is convulsing and spewing blood. I'd bet this is the origin of at least one of these Xenomorphs.
as we dont see the creature come out, cant say with certainty it is a chestburster ( even though it likely is ) with that being said, it could transpire that the alien comes out fully formed. difficult to know :) even though i think its likely a chestburster lol
One of the things that makes no sense is why in the movie Prometheus the Deacon has a biomechanical exoskeleton similar to the engineer's suits.
Alien Covenant is going to be awesome.........Mr.H nice video I really like the way you describe things :)
+rajesh dutta thanks man :) appreciate your continued support!
Mr.H...... my pleasure.
The thing that makes it different is that now we got better special effects and they can give the creatures faster movement and make them do things they couldn't before. I'm sure that if this was possible when the first Alien movie came out there wouldn't be so much difference.
I think a lot of the deviations between the new xeno and the ones from the originals can be summed up to the change from props/costumes to CGI
Im not sure anyone else caught it yet but there's quite a few literal "holes" throughout the body (not like holes into the body but like holed protrusions such as at the armpit and the lower leg having a small protrusion to the ankle
I think it does have a little bit of the stalking and bipedal movement that the original did, if you look at the shower scene, and the scene in davids workshop makes it look like it was going for a more stealth kill. Or perhaps we will see both of them in covenant?
H. R. Giger, is one my favorite creators in the field of the Arts. His imaginative works is very advance.
I guarantee you I could easily find two real life humans who look more different from each other than these two Aliens.
+Leggo Loft of course you can.....
I find the protomorph to look more dynamic than the originals due to the simple fact its shown in daylight..this new direction has breathed new life onto the slightly aged looking xenomorph design.this film will be awesome
Random Teori : The Xenomorphs take on traits from the egg stange, would be an easy way of explaining the differences between the Covernant Alien and the O.G Geiger Biomechanical Alien, LV426 seems be more "metalic" than the one we see in Cov
Man, that Injustice 2 demo looks dope.
Xenomorph are like the short films in the Animatrix. They are all the same creature from the same universe, but are presented in different styles according to the directors vision.
It is so interesting to see all of these UA-camrs trying to rationalize all the different xenomorph designs. The only reason for these changes in every new Alien movie is probably to keep a sense of mystery. If the creature were always the same, we would've stopped being afraid of it long ago.
I think David finds a way to somehow use an androids tissues to alter the xenonorph in Covenant, to become the final, more biomechanical xenomorph. All of those tubes are visible when both Ash and Bishop are destroyed.
its face reminds of a cross between a shark and a cave troll for some reason anyway great video sir and cool theory thumbs up .
Not sure if anyone else said this but if I remember the bigger eggs with the bigger face huger's were the ones that would plant the Queens inside you and had the lesser seen elite guards watching over those eggs, maybe what we are seeing is the baby Queen or a Elite guard?
Could we get a lore vid on the Potomorph?
yes indeed :)
bwahaha
I think Lt. Gorman would just call it a xenomorph.
Hey, another idea for your videos!
What happened to the scanning-spinning balls in Prometheus after it's destruction? Did they remained inside the crashed Juggernaut? Were caught by aliens? They simply ran out of energy?
The idea of this being the natural state of a Xenomorph appeals to me, and makes sense as well. To me, anyway. It makes sense because when you actually take a close look at Xenomorphs as we've seen them up until now, you can tell they've clearly been engineered into an even more efficient killing "machine" (don't even need 3 guesses to understand by who). I'd imagine samples of the strongest and smartest specimens were taken off their homeworld, Xenomorph Prime, by the Engineers.
So I myself would class it as more of a primal xeno than a proto/primordial xeno.
I'm sure most would agree that the differences in 'movement' between the different Alien versions has mostly do to the real world technology of the time presenting the monster on screen more than anything 'genetically' different within the fantasy world of the films.
Just a thought,
The eggs and facehuggers are probably larger due to them being more attuned to Engineer size, rather than human?
The new Xeno is a creepyass dude smiling like that at the end he's prob got a 1983 Slider Rape Mobile that says "Free Candy" on the side lol
I think you could be right about the original bio mechanical Xeno being some kind of Improved version.
Maybe the ones in Covenant will end up being considered too feral and possibly weak in comparison to the improved one, e.g. Metallic teeth and a tougher and thicker Exoskeleton.
But like you said, whoever is engineering the aliens is yet to be seen.
thanks for the comment dude! glad you see some sense in what I'm saying :)
Mr H Reviews haha, no problem, I am loving these videos.
glad you're enjoying them :)
There's one big reason these xenomorphs look so different. 1979 special effects; 2017 special effects. Now we are able to make the alien look and move in a inhuman way.
Just a theory, maybe the proto-morph is the result of a engineer being impregnated.
I believe it's just a simple design refresh. From Bugattis to comic book characters to coins and notes... everything gets a design refresh from time to time.
H.R. Geiger's original design was beautifully horrifying and visceral but, in the end, what a xenomorph looks like will depend on the director, the story and how the xenomorph has to perform therein.