The MK2 aka "Kabar" is a fighting/utility knife. The MK3 Trench knife only has one purpose, to kill in close quarters. It's an awesome knife and has spilled more blood than a Kabar. The first companies that made the MK2 Kabar was Camillus, Kabar, Robeson, and Case. The Last Kabar issued by the US military is the Ontario 498 Marine Combat Kabar and you can still buy them through OKC, Amazon, and others. The Beauty of the 498 is that what you get is exactly what the troops use. Kabar changed their knives since WW2. They put plastic spacers at both ends, and uses that horrible black coating which they never had in WW2, they were all Phosphate coated or blued. The 498 has a thicker tang, durable coating on the handle, phosphate coated blade, and is cheaper than Kabar. I think the 498 is the Better Kabar even though it wasn't around til much later. My Kabar always gets knicks in the blade but not so with my 498, so I just use my 498 more instead.
A lot of of those knives were modified in the field too so I wouldnt be surprised if it had been double edged, lord knows we did it in the FMF to some of our personal knives. Semper Fi brother, 2/8!
@555Nato What I read, is that Boker of Germany opened a US shop. Once WWI started, though, the US Government took it over, since obviously the Germans were our enemies. During WWII, this US company called Boker made the M3s for the US (at the time when the knives were made, the 2 Bokers were 2 entirely separate companies.) After WWII, eventually as our ties to Germany were repaired, the Boker of Germany bought out the Boker of the US.
The KABAR blueprints never said bloodgroove.... The bloodgroove bullshit started after the rambo movies happened. Companies selling shitty cheap rambo novelty knives coined the term blood groove to make the knife sound cooler.
@DTBroad That didn't quite look like it either. The knife he had looked like an M3, just had a blood groove and was stainless. The blood groove didn't go all the way through, like on the P3, and the blade wasn't as wide. And it was shaped more like the M3, not like a bowie.
I'm doing a sheath right now for a us m3 aerial. Did some research, dang that knife is worth a bunch. Not so much in a depression like we're in now, probably more useful if shtf!
@555Nato It was a tough call on which one to get, but in the end it did come down to the China thing. It's not that the Boker was better. I think the difference is that the Boker was a little more spit and polish -- it looked nicer. Whereas the Ontario looked more utilitarian. I think considering the knife was a war time knife, I believe the Ontario was probably truer to how it was made in war time production. Also, the Boker has a plastic/metal sheath, the Ontario has the leather sheath
@555Nato I've only had it a month, so I haven't done anything to it. I wasn't planning on doing anything, but now that you mentioned it I'll have to look into it.
That could be it. It's been so long since I looked at the knife -- I seem to remember it being double-edged, but I could be wrong. The Rem. Pal does look very familiar, though. Thanks for the suggestion!
there are/were 9 different companys that made the mark 3. so if you google the knife you should be able to find those companys. if i remember though some have been shut down.
I haven't read through all the comments, but through two pages I don't see the answer you seek. I believe you may be talking about the V 42. It looks similar to this one.
Thanks for the info. I just ordered one from eBay. Just wish they would have made the Sheth like the original. But the cool thing about it is made in the U.S.A. and that's all that matters.
Just a little too late, but I’m a huge fan of the weaponry from that era, and it sounds to me like your dad had an M4 bayonet. The Ontario knife is an M3 which saw combat in World War II, the M4 knife was issued afterwards, so it would make sense that he was issued it in Korea.
The M3 style blade has been used on several bayonets. M4 was for the M1 carbine. A simple web search would show everyone what the bayonets and M3 look like. Hard to believe if someone can post vids on youtube they can't look it up on the web. And there are tons of M3 vids on youtube too.
@SurviveN2 I have no idea where I got that grip at, but it's one of my favorite grips. I can walk with my arms down at my side and be completely inconspicuous, because my arm would block the view of the knife. Then when I bring my hands up into a fighter's stance, I can use both hands for punching, or come with a right-cross type motion to slash (not recommended with a double edge type knife like the one in this video). A slight cock of my wrist allows me to stab on the return.
@jamiewiilams Thanks for the info. I looked it up, and the pics of the knife you mentioned looked more like a Kabar. It's been awhile since I saw my dad's knife, but from I remember of it, it looked just like this M3 in my video, but it was stainless, and it had a blood groove in it. I also recall the blade being a little thicker/heavy duty than the M3. It's been so long though, but I generally have a good memory of stuff like that. Any other ideas?
@shinobi277 In my opinion, I don't think the leather handle would hold up well if used underwater, especially in salt water, and I also think that leather would probably get pretty slippery once saturated. Depends on if you're talking Dive knife, or UW tactical knife? Pretty much every company that makes tactical knives makes some for underwater use. I would google it if I were you (try seal knife, or underwater knife), or go to a knife forum with people that are experts on the subject.
Now comes with a lovly cheap black plastic sheath! And if you are lucky you will get a bent one . I don't think Ontario would do this on purpose, but if they did, Ballocks!
Looks good but definitely not as practical as the USMC kabar design because you can really baton wood well because of the double grind. That knife is made for one purpose only and it ain't for chores.
@XvChriisvX Which WWI knife? I don't know if I've seen one like that. I'd have to find out -- not sure, but I don't think it's illegal to own something like that, as a collectable, I just think it's illegal to carry it in public as a weapon.
@762x51n8o Here is a training exercise you could try with a friend. Get a old white T-shirt for each of you, put them on and use a marks-a-lot as the knife. now go at it. When your done, see where the marks are on both of you. Now you know what areas your defense is weak in. Take Care :-))
Any information available on restoring one of these? I've got one from my dad and it's in rough shape. No handle or scabbard, plus the bent portion of the hilt has been broken off.
That's a cool knife, thanks for sharing. I've got a question....not about the knife but about the way you grip it, with the blade back along your forearm. I'm curious if that's something someone taught you or is it something you do on your own. Take Care :-))
@555Nato If I remember correctly, the Boker of today isn't exactly the same Boker that made the knives during the war, which was a US company. Do a Wiki search on the subject to read more on it. China built their military with the express purpose of beating our military. And we are funding it. I admire the chinese and their history. I hate their commie government, though.
When I made this video 9 years ago, I wasn't into knives to the point that I knew the proper terminology, and blood groove is a pretty common term that people use for it. But I understand what you're saying, if someone calls a magazine a "clip", I get annoyed, too.
The one I got in the mail today had a very weak, almost apologetic "...Onterio..." stamp on the blade, and the pin fixing the pummel on to the tang was not nice and circular like it was affixed by a craftsman, but was pounded and splaid fat as a pancake like it was beat into submission by a short-order cook. The leather handle had several, still attached large remnants of leather as if whoever was in charge of that operation was late for leaving for a long weekend when the knife came to them for completion. Other than that, it was ok. American craftsmanship is going down the shitter, and as for this purchase, maybe I should have bought the Boker....
762x51n8o i wouldn't use kabar for survival, blade steel not quite thick/sturdy. i have broken a kabar doing rather tame tasks if you were trying to go with the millitary style for a survival knife, i'd actually go with the ontario 499 pilot knife, glock 78, or the ontario chimera
Magnus Willstrand This knife is constructed exactly like the Kabar, and will be every bit as tough. Being an Ontario, the tang is probably just a bit thicker, and the pommel is heavier duty. The main difference, other than the obvious blade geometry; is Ontario uses straight up 1095 steel, and Kabar uses 1095 Cro Van (added Chromium and Vanadium); Kabar also places some plastic stoppers at the two ends of their leather handle, while the Ontario is straight leather washers from pommel to hilt, like all the WWII variations of these blades. The blade geometry isn't ideal for bushcraft, it's a dagger after all. But I guarantee you can baton and pry with this knife, within reason. Any knife can be broken.
tokr72 The handle shapes are also different. The Ontario is round while the Kabar is oval. I had the Ontario Marine combat knife, and I didn't like the rounded handle for blade indexing. I love the oval Kabar handles, but for a dagger, the round handle works better than on a bowie style blade.
I had a really old buck knife from my grand farther and i buried by accident while fixing a sprinkler pipe. that was in florida and i'm now in virginia FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's for corrosion resistance. I know exactly what you're saying, though. I see it with some firearms as well. Instead of a nice bluing, many guns have some sort of corrosion resistant treatment/coating. I do like it for some things, but in other things I'd appreciate a nice looking bluing.
When you don't buy something from China because of Communism, but buy something made in the US under Obammunism, haven't you don't the same thing? Regardless, I'm thinking about buying this knife. Great review! --Scott
The MK2 aka "Kabar" is a fighting/utility knife. The MK3 Trench knife only has one purpose, to kill in close quarters. It's an awesome knife and has spilled more blood than a Kabar. The first companies that made the MK2 Kabar was Camillus, Kabar, Robeson, and Case. The Last Kabar issued by the US military is the Ontario 498 Marine Combat Kabar and you can still buy them through OKC, Amazon, and others. The Beauty of the 498 is that what you get is exactly what the troops use. Kabar changed their knives since WW2. They put plastic spacers at both ends, and uses that horrible black coating which they never had in WW2, they were all Phosphate coated or blued. The 498 has a thicker tang, durable coating on the handle, phosphate coated blade, and is cheaper than Kabar. I think the 498 is the Better Kabar even though it wasn't around til much later. My Kabar always gets knicks in the blade but not so with my 498, so I just use my 498 more instead.
Just pulled the trigger on this knife. Can't wait to get it!!!
Ontario vs. ka-bar (kill-a-bear) the ultimate match up between two war hardened brands. Sure the two best US knife companies.
A lot of of those knives were modified in the field too so I wouldnt be surprised if it had been double edged, lord knows we did it in the FMF to some of our personal knives. Semper Fi brother, 2/8!
Though Ontario was never an original vendor of this knife, it's still a better product than the sellout Chinese Communist Boker.
@555Nato What I read, is that Boker of Germany opened a US shop. Once WWI started, though, the US Government took it over, since obviously the Germans were our enemies. During WWII, this US company called Boker made the M3s for the US (at the time when the knives were made, the 2 Bokers were 2 entirely separate companies.) After WWII, eventually as our ties to Germany were repaired, the Boker of Germany bought out the Boker of the US.
There is no such thing as a blood groove. Its called a fuller and its for lightening the blade not bloodletting. Blood grooves are an urban legend.
spot on
The KABAR blueprints never said bloodgroove.... The bloodgroove bullshit started after the rambo movies happened. Companies selling shitty cheap rambo novelty knives coined the term blood groove to make the knife sound cooler.
@DTBroad That didn't quite look like it either. The knife he had looked like an M3, just had a blood groove and was stainless. The blood groove didn't go all the way through, like on the P3, and the blade wasn't as wide. And it was shaped more like the M3, not like a bowie.
Man I liked that primus intro u have a good taste in music bud
I'm doing a sheath right now for a us m3 aerial. Did some research, dang that knife is worth a bunch. Not so much in a depression like we're in now, probably more useful if shtf!
Treat that handle with Snoseal,then buff it with a shoe brush,looks really nice after that!
@555Nato It was a tough call on which one to get, but in the end it did come down to the China thing. It's not that the Boker was better. I think the difference is that the Boker was a little more spit and polish -- it looked nicer. Whereas the Ontario looked more utilitarian. I think considering the knife was a war time knife, I believe the Ontario was probably truer to how it was made in war time production. Also, the Boker has a plastic/metal sheath, the Ontario has the leather sheath
@555Nato I've only had it a month, so I haven't done anything to it. I wasn't planning on doing anything, but now that you mentioned it I'll have to look into it.
That could be it. It's been so long since I looked at the knife -- I seem to remember it being double-edged, but I could be wrong. The Rem. Pal does look very familiar, though.
Thanks for the suggestion!
there are/were 9 different companys that made the mark 3. so if you google the knife you should be able to find those companys. if i remember though some have been shut down.
very nice knife.
I haven't read through all the comments, but through two pages I don't see the answer you seek. I believe you may be talking about the V 42. It looks similar to this one.
Thanks for the info. I just ordered one from eBay. Just wish they would have made the Sheth like the original. But the cool thing about it is made in the U.S.A. and that's all that matters.
Just a little too late, but I’m a huge fan of the weaponry from that era, and it sounds to me like your dad had an M4 bayonet. The Ontario knife is an M3 which saw combat in World War II, the M4 knife was issued afterwards, so it would make sense that he was issued it in Korea.
The M3 style blade has been used on several bayonets. M4 was for the M1 carbine. A simple web search would show everyone what the bayonets and M3 look like. Hard to believe if someone can post vids on youtube they can't look it up on the web. And there are tons of M3 vids on youtube too.
Thanks for the comment -- I'll check it out. I was looking at a knife called the Eck -- I think that might be the knife.
No, it wasn't a Ka-Bar. That I would know. One of the few knives I can recognize by looking at it.
@SurviveN2 I have no idea where I got that grip at, but it's one of my favorite grips. I can walk with my arms down at my side and be completely inconspicuous, because my arm would block the view of the knife. Then when I bring my hands up into a fighter's stance, I can use both hands for punching, or come with a right-cross type motion to slash (not recommended with a double edge type knife like the one in this video). A slight cock of my wrist allows me to stab on the return.
If it had a fuller, then it was probably a M2.
@jamiewiilams Thanks for the info. I looked it up, and the pics of the knife you mentioned looked more like a Kabar. It's been awhile since I saw my dad's knife, but from I remember of it, it looked just like this M3 in my video, but it was stainless, and it had a blood groove in it. I also recall the blade being a little thicker/heavy duty than the M3. It's been so long though, but I generally have a good memory of stuff like that. Any other ideas?
@shinobi277 In my opinion, I don't think the leather handle would hold up well if used underwater, especially in salt water, and I also think that leather would probably get pretty slippery once saturated.
Depends on if you're talking Dive knife, or UW tactical knife?
Pretty much every company that makes tactical knives makes some for underwater use. I would google it if I were you (try seal knife, or underwater knife), or go to a knife forum with people that are experts on the subject.
Now comes with a lovly cheap black plastic sheath! And if you are lucky you will get a bent one . I don't think Ontario would do this on purpose, but if they did, Ballocks!
My name is mud
Not to be confused with neither jack Pete or Dennis my name is mud, it's always been.
Looks good but definitely not as practical as the USMC kabar design because you can really baton wood well because of the double grind. That knife is made for one purpose only and it ain't for chores.
Amen, brother!
@XvChriisvX Which WWI knife? I don't know if I've seen one like that. I'd have to find out -- not sure, but I don't think it's illegal to own something like that, as a collectable, I just think it's illegal to carry it in public as a weapon.
@pjicleanair420 Thank you
would you rather prefer the Ontario or the Boker?
@XvChriisvX Brass knuckles are illegal around here.
Case made an M3 knife with a fuller on one side; Perhaps that is what he had.
Your'e correct, I haven't found the answer yet on the mystery knife. A couple close ones, though. You're isn't it either, it wasn't a stiletto style.
@762x51n8o Here is a training exercise you could try with a friend. Get a old white T-shirt for each of you, put them on and use a marks-a-lot as the knife. now go at it. When your done, see where the marks are on both of you. Now you know what areas your defense is weak in. Take Care :-))
@SurviveN2 Good advice.
Check out the Remington pal fighting knife, sounds like what you're describing and let me know.
@ThePatrick6122 Probably a big hunk of rust by now.
Any information available on restoring one of these? I've got one from my dad and it's in rough shape. No handle or scabbard, plus the bent portion of the hilt has been broken off.
Your father's knife was probably a KA-BAR USMC Fighting/Utility knife model #1217....going by the fact that you metioned "blood groove".
That's a cool knife, thanks for sharing. I've got a question....not about the knife but about the way you grip it, with the blade back along your forearm. I'm curious if that's something someone taught you or is it something you do on your own. Take Care :-))
SurviveN2 madeform1carbine
can it be used underwater and if not which knife is good for underwater use?
He may have had k bar if he was in the marines
It was definitely not a K-Bar, I'm very familiar with those.
M4 bayonnet , same blade
@555Nato If I remember correctly, the Boker of today isn't exactly the same Boker that made the knives during the war, which was a US company. Do a Wiki search on the subject to read more on it.
China built their military with the express purpose of beating our military. And we are funding it. I admire the chinese and their history. I hate their commie government, though.
The boker is also has 1080 steel wrong type of steel for that knife.
Is it possible that the knife your father used was a fairbairn-sykes?
He might of had an m4 bayonet they were the same it was used on the m1 carbine
My ontario m3 was ground so poorly.. blade looked curved...u ever see that?
Blood groove? It's a fuller. To make the knife lighter. Ballocks!
When I made this video 9 years ago, I wasn't into knives to the point that I knew the proper terminology, and blood groove is a pretty common term that people use for it. But I understand what you're saying, if someone calls a magazine a "clip", I get annoyed, too.
You don't think it's the same knife? Didn't you look at it before you bought it?
I obviously don't have the knife anymore, or I wouldn't have bought this one. I was going off memory from 10-15 years prior.
my name is mud haha nice
The one I got in the mail today had a very weak, almost apologetic "...Onterio..." stamp on the blade, and the pin fixing the pummel on to the tang was not nice and circular like it was affixed by a craftsman, but was pounded and splaid fat as a pancake like it was beat into submission by a short-order cook. The leather handle had several, still attached large remnants of leather as if whoever was in charge of that operation was late for leaving for a long weekend when the knife came to them for completion. Other than that, it was ok. American craftsmanship is going down the shitter, and as for this purchase, maybe I should have bought the Boker....
Butch Broussard If it had "Onterio" instead of "Ontario" don't you think it wasn't a OKC knife?
But dude, that totally was getting into politics. That's alright though.
No, I know that knife well.
Is this knife strong enough to use as a survival knife or us it mainly for collecting?
This is meant as a commando type knife, so it's not what I would consider a survival knife. For that you would want something tougher, like a kabar
762x51n8o
i wouldn't use kabar for survival, blade steel not quite thick/sturdy. i have broken a kabar doing rather tame tasks
if you were trying to go with the millitary style for a survival knife, i'd actually go with the ontario 499 pilot knife, glock 78, or the ontario chimera
Magnus Willstrand This knife is constructed exactly like the Kabar, and will be every bit as tough. Being an Ontario, the tang is probably just a bit thicker, and the pommel is heavier duty. The main difference, other than the obvious blade geometry; is Ontario uses straight up 1095 steel, and Kabar uses 1095 Cro Van (added Chromium and Vanadium); Kabar also places some plastic stoppers at the two ends of their leather handle, while the Ontario is straight leather washers from pommel to hilt, like all the WWII variations of these blades.
The blade geometry isn't ideal for bushcraft, it's a dagger after all. But I guarantee you can baton and pry with this knife, within reason. Any knife can be broken.
tokr72 The handle shapes are also different. The Ontario is round while the Kabar is oval. I had the Ontario Marine combat knife, and I didn't like the rounded handle for blade indexing. I love the oval Kabar handles, but for a dagger, the round handle works better than on a bowie style blade.
I had a really old buck knife from my grand farther and i buried by accident while fixing a sprinkler pipe. that was in florida and i'm now in virginia FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ou, Primus!
Why does it seem every nice knife now a days come with the gross black finish. I just want a nice polished blade dang it
It's for corrosion resistance. I know exactly what you're saying, though. I see it with some firearms as well. Instead of a nice bluing, many guns have some sort of corrosion resistant treatment/coating. I do like it for some things, but in other things I'd appreciate a nice looking bluing.
USA!!!
It's a fighting knife
Not really ment for working
So I guess you dont own a Iphone cellphone , desktop and laptop. Cos they are all made in China.
2:40 until there's any information about the knife... Don't need your life story.
When you don't buy something from China because of Communism, but buy something made in the US under Obammunism, haven't you don't the same thing? Regardless, I'm thinking about buying this knife. Great review! --Scott
If you have something constructive to say, say it, but just attacking people isn't called for.
Wtf does Obama have to do with a knife
What the fuck?