Cleopatra: The Last Pharoah
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2021
- Queen of Egypt prior to its absorption by Rome, Cleopatra was an important power player in the civil wars that marked the end of the Roman Republic. Her alliance with Julius Caesar included an affair, which resulted in the birth of their son, Ptolemy Caesarion. After the fallout from Caesar’s assassination, Cleopatra began a new alliance and affair with his chief lieutenant, Mark Antony. Anthony and Cleopatra held sway together over the East, but were ultimately defeated by Caesar’s nephew Octavian, who became Caesar Augustus. Demonized by writers loyal to Augustus, Cleopatra’s memory became a cautionary tale against the wiles of female rulers. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place attempts to recover the real life and qualities of Egypt’s famous queen, the last of the Pharaohs.
I am BINGEING these lectures. I love them all.
They help me sleep.
This was me like 2 months ago. Now I'm like an addict waiting for my next fix every Tuesday and sometimes on Thursday
Pastor John Hamer has great lectures and seems to be a genuinely kind person! Finally…a church I would consider joining!
@@nosuchthing8 I tried to use one to go to sleep last night, but it didn't work. I listened to the whole thing and... then... watched another. LOL with/at myself.
People complain about the audience, but they always make me smile! It makes me feel like i have friends that are interested in history
@garyallen8824spot on. very distracting actually.
I want you all too know I appreciate these lectures.
Most delightful lecturer. I learned more history from you than any other academic history professors at top line universities and colleges.
Can we have people in the room hold questions/comments until the end of the lecture? The comments are distracting and almost never add anything significant to the subject other than to distract from the topic
And it seems to be getting worse!
I’m a huge fan of these lectures but I’m seriously about to block because the flow is so disrupted and most of the time it is a useless anecdote whose only purpose is to hear their own voice.
Enough, please!
Shut up and let him do his talk!!
It's the way of the time, evidently. I think the challenge lies in not getting pissed about it
Yes, the comments are brutal.
RIP live audience.
John - you are a very important teacher. Probably the best teacher I've ever encountered. You have many God given gifts - I enjoy your humour, compassion and empathy as much as your obvious mastery of which ever subject you chose to turn your amazing mind to.
You are right. John is a very god teacher. Congratulation for this presentation.
Wooooopa, another interesting evening ahead. 🤓
I never knew about the coins or how Egypt refused to adapt to iron age technology was what helped lead to their downfall. I wish the audience was more respectful by keeping their trivia and questions withheld until Mr. Hamer is done with his lecture.
I cannot believe this is given to us for free, thank you!
I love your lectures I have been watching the whole series over the last few days. I have a degree in history and you would make a very good history professor
I've been a life long lover of history, I'm 55yrs now been studying history since I've been 10yrs
I love these Centre Place videos because some Know-it-all usually chimes in correcting the Lecturer
Shaheen did nothing wrong.
Whoooooaaaa! I thought I knew Cleopatra's story, but with all the background perspective, you took it to the next level. That was sooo good. In depth. Intricate. AND... I think I need to press rewind to watch it again. However, not before saying, "Thank you!" :-)
Can I suggest that questions are addressed as they arise in the lecture please?
It would be helpful for those not able to attend in person, to enjoy the flow of information.
It would also be nice for attendees to write down their observations and anecdotes. John could address these after the main lecture 🙏
One of those Alexandrias was Alexandria in Arachosia, now known as Kandahar.
The most informative and concise history of Egypt I have ever heard. Thank you John. My life is so enriched by your scholarship
I only just discovered you about two weeks ago… and since then watched over 90% of these vids… thanks from the depth of my heart you’re a fantastic teacher!
Thease are an absolute treat to watch and ill often find myself laughing along with the Presenter, I live close to Centre place and honestly might come by some time to watch one of thease in person some time, Amazing presentation! so fascinating!
Thank you for all the context. I'm enjoying slowly making my way through the lectures.
It is hard to find good lectures. I hate visual focused content. It is nice to be able to just listen to quality information at the end of the day without having to look at the screen. Very nice work.
These lectures are so fantastic! I really appreciate that you don’t embellish things and approach from a matter-of-fact perspective, and that you cover often-overlooked topics.
In regard to donating, the website gives me several categories I can donate to. Does it matter which one I choose?
It doesn't necessarily matter which category. If you want to support the lectures in particular, send us an email info@centreplace.ca at the time of your donation, so that we know that it's for that program.
The comments about the conservatism of Egypt in its military reminded me of a comment from an art history class I took once. Egyptian military parades would be in decreasing order of newness; units with iron weapons first followed by units with bronze weapons etc. The last units to parade would be still extant units armed with stone weapons, units maintained and armed that way for more than 2000 years.
Wow! This is gold. Thank you John
Thank you! I see so many innacurate videos about Cleopatra. True she was not a modern-day super model, but that looks should never have been a focus. She was obviously very adept and quite amazing in many ways.
Hail to the Divine Cleopatra VII! Hail to Cleopatra the Father-loving Goddess, Nea Isis-Aphrodite!
The tomb is speculated to be under the water in the bay, along with the palace complex. That really was an excellent lecture, John. This was probably the best treatment I’ve seen on this subject. I’m glad you took the time to set it up with all the pertinent historical/cultural/political details, I was able to gain some new insight into Cleopatra’s point of view. I’ve always been bothered by the contractions in her - that on the one hand, she was an intellectual, yet incredibly frivolous, victim yet murderer, prudent yet libertine, wise ruler, yet political gambler who made terrible blunders, resulting in disastrous consequences that destroyed her entire world, including the fate of her children. You mentioned Caesarian, Ptolemy’s fate is unknown, and though Selene survived, she was an orphan who was essentially a spoil of war. I guess that’s what makes her so compelling. Thank you!
I LOVE these videos and the information!!!
EXCEPT for "shaneen's" (spelling?) frequent and random comments and the older woman who often also has random comments/randomly sings during lectures
They add character
YES I’m at the end of my tether with it.
Just for the sheer novelty of it, I’m OK with the random breaking out into song. Now I know it can occur outside musicals. Lol
Great 👍
John, you are so nice to people who are always interrupting you with an overinflated sense of their erudition and a constant need to hear their own voice yammering on........ & on.......... & on........
Those are members of the Centre Place congregation who fund and help produce these lectures... chill out.
@@RomanPhilosopher I do not know who you are but when over a dozen people say exact same thing, they might just have a point.
The interruptions are annoying and are only costing you viewers, not gaining them.
And if it’s only money that matters, I would think more viewers would mean more money!!
@@RomanPhilosopher So, which one of the annoying voices from the peanut gallery are you? An assumption on my part but, 'judging' by your online name you must surely have an overinflated sense of your own erudition or... a great sense of irony.
@@keithlightizer156 I've never attended in person. But great judging. Absolutely fantastic.
@@keithlightizer156 and it's Philosopher Zero i.e. the philosophy of nothingness....
Cleopatra is THE most recognizable historical figure in Egypt. If fact, the most popular cigarette brand in Egypt is named Cleopatra. So everybody knows her!! This lady doesn’t know what she is talking about.
Please save the questions for after the lecture. The present format is really terribly disruptive.
Great lecturer.
I agree with other comments here. Comments made by people attending the lecture break its flow. Please, ask attendees to hold their questions and comments until the end of the lecture.
so glad i seen the crowd , tony
I love these lectures so much, but to be honest, I love the ones over Zoom especially, since I don’t have to hear the audience’s comments. It’s always the same few voices breaking up the flow of the lecture.
1:14.10 The Greek you were trying to figure out on that coin is "hyper Basilesses" which means something like "over queen."
Long one!
Great lectures but I would strongly suggest the audience withhold comments to after the seminar. Some are outright rude (“actually” ones are the worst offenders) and disrupt the flow of information.
On this video, at the 1:04:12 point, someone off-camera mentions 4 female pharoahs, but others dispute this, and say the number may be more like thirteen. The thirteen who are cited are: Cleopatra VII (69-30 B.C.)[who is the topic of this lecture], Cleopatra I (204-176 B.C.), Tausret (1189 B.C.), Nefertiti (1370-1330 B.C.), Hatshepsut (1507-1458 B.C.), Ahmose-Nefertari (1562-1495 B.C.), Ashotep (1560-1530 B.C.), Sobeknefru (1802 B.C.), Neithhikret (possibly 2181, but there is only once source for her existence, which is Herodotus), Ankhesenpepi II (2345-2181 B.C.), Khentkaus (2613-2494 B.C), Nimaethap (2686-2613 B.C), and Meryt-Neith (3200-2910 B.C.). Some of these ruled as regents for their too-young sons, others as co-regents with their too-young brothers, and then others, not so much. It's difficult to know for sure how many there really were, since so many of the male pharoahs liked to downplay or erase the histories of their female predecessors.
When I saw the painting of Marc Anthony at the beginning, I thought to myself that it looked very familiar, but I couldn’t place it. It’s copied from the mosaic of Alexander and Darius, shown at 36:00. Same hair, same expression, same pose. Cool!
Please save the comments until the end. The flow is so broken up with this format.
Were you ever in the rock group Rush?
Josephus Flavius, in his Judaic Antiquities, also describe some bad relations among Cleopatra and Herod the Great.
"Queen Elizabeth is ceremonial only." Really!? You need to wake up dude!
@Gary AllenBring forward valid documentation for your claim that "Queen Elizabeth was ceremonial only." Thank you.
ΥΠΕΡ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑΣ -- so something like "in the name of / on behalf of / for the sake of queen Kleopatra"
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Did you read how Cleopatra was quite obese? A double-chin that was known for being quite wiggly. Her brother husbands were obese too -- it was a genetic condition brought about by inbreeding.
The thing about copying the scrolls brought to Alexandria is probably apocryphal. Nobody is going to wait around for a book to be copied (takes too long), they are not going to search every ship for hidden scrolls and they aren't going to copy every scroll in existence.
@Gary Allen That sounds reasonable, to an extent. This is long after the fact, but I made my statement about the searching of ships after hearing an historian saying it was an apocryphal tale. You seem to have another source. Instead of getting into battling sources, I will say why I think the guy I listened to was right. Searching ships for books to copy seems like a shitty why to come by books. Most sailors were probably illiterate, and while ship captains might be otherwise, I still doubt that. Boat owners probably stayed home and sent people to do their bidding. The ship captain would be more like a sergeant than a lieutenant. I use army ranks as I don’t know what the navy equivalent is and it’s not important. This is conjecture, but here is how I think it went down. Alexandria is a port city. Ships come in. People go to the port to see what came in. Looking to buy, looking to sell. Looking to talk to the sailors for news and gossip. The person in charge of the library sends someone to seek out sailors to talk to. They can ask for books, but I’m betting there are none. I just don’t see merchant ships as a repository of knowledge. But they can ask sailors things like: “Hey, are there any libraries where you’re from? Do you know people with book collections? You do? If I pay you will you take a letter of introduction to them?” And they network, send out news of what they have, what they’re looking for, they make deals, they send people out to copy, etc, etc. The network and do business, just like everyone else. The stories of taking people’s books just sounds fishy, as people would just stop bringing books, if they were even doing it in the first place. There are better ways to make a book collection.
Egypt had a female ruler long before Cleopatra with the pharaoh Hapshepshut -she claimed she was a legitimate pharaoh and wore a fake beard to appear like a man.Afterwards a memento mori was perpetrated against her to make it appear she never existed and her monuments were defaced.
Sorry I meant to write "Damnatio memoriae" not memento mori!
The interjections by the audience are really annoying
If these comments track with the audio: you here mention that Caesar wouldn't have made a will with Caesarean as his heir because if he was assassinated Caesarion and Cleopatra would be targeted for death. True enough but why make a will assuming your own assassination? He would make Caesarion his heir and the empire would rejoice to have an heir of Alexander the Great unite the two great human empires... but the Senate wanted their slimy dictatorial Cassius gens blood to be absolute autocratic authority... which is why the public presentation of Isos/Caesarion immediately had the Cassius family initiate creation of the assassination plot and started collecting co-conspirers. Cleopatra must have been quite clever to get out of Egypt with her child and the key to how is probably in the other meaning of Caesarion. She's certainly not the type to have committed suicide, one of numerous falsifications by 'victor' in this crucial period of history. Paris Sparrow
There isn’t a type for suicide. It’s a convenient escape method when all hope is lost.
Yeah right, give it a shot. See how likely you are to do it. Your body/instincts do not allow you. And all hope was not lost... she had her children, powerful friends... @@fabianhale845
@@sparrowparas7156 Having her children didn't matter. And what powerful friends? The ones who quickly deserted her and Antony after the defeat at Actium, and who quickly sided with Octavian? Octavian and his forces had already entered Alexandria, occupied the palace, and held Cleopatra and her children in guarded custody. Check your history details. Cleopatra lost and was already in her enemy's hands. The choice was either sit like a duck and wait to be killed (either in Egypt or in Rome) or go out on her own terms.
By the way that's a sickening suggestion. In trying to make a point, you ended up looking like a bully.
@Gary Allen I must disagree with most all that you say... how my personal timidity (not aware of where this is evident or relevant) will not lead me to a DIY death. Most all suicides are in fact murderous in this society ruled by death dealers... the same death dealers who still celebrate that critical victory of assassinating Caesar and murdering (did they really?) Isos/Jesus. The non-Roman rulers of Rome wrote the history of this critical period. Per their normal practice they of course claimed that they killed and wiped out the opposing bloodline.. that of Caesar, Cleopatra and child Isos. They were never held captive as far as I know though there may be claims to the contrary, that is to say fabrications to the contrary. This is a huge topic. It is one in which the current leaders (a side you seem to associate with, for better or worse, right or wrong, correctly or incorrectly) have an enormous stake in uphold the lie of current history. To know the truth about these events changes everything. Unfortunately new revelations, in the pop culture and pop historical culture, just replace one near-truth lie with the next better sounding near-truth lie. An example of this is the Davinci code movie which is relevant because it deals with Jesus/Isos the true basis of which is the son of Caesar and Cleopatra. Surprise... (or perhaps you knew it). Relatives of these bloodlines lived on.. which is the reason d'etre of all the 'secret societies' of 'knighthoods' of assassins that tried to track them down and eliminate the bloodline -long after they claimed to have conclusively eliminated these bloodlines.
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I’m new to you & have watched several other videos. They’ve been so interesting! In this lecture , there is a female that constantly interjects. She becomes a little annoying… J/S!
No mention of Theamusa Irania, Cleopatra’s daughter via Julius Caesar and Cleopatra Selene’s older sister, who was gifted to the Persian emperor Phraates IV by Caesar Augustus around the same time Cleopatra Selene was gifted to the King of Mauritania. The images of Musa and Selene found on coins are near identical, and also are near identical to Cleopatra VII’s bust.
Thank you for that. Omitted information is always misleading.
There’s no proof of any connection between Thea musa and Cleopatra. None. While she was thought to have had a miscarriage not too long after Caesar’s death, the point is the child didn’t live nor was its sex mentioned.
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The lack of information goes both ways, because we don’t know if the child lived or died, nothing is written.
@@jeffersonian000 Actually it is. Just check Cicero’s letter and commentary about it.
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Cisero does say that the child died, just the there were no worries about the pregnancy, which implies that either Cleopatra miscarried or had a girl. The assumption was she miscarried, but we know Augustus raised her children in his palace, and he give away Cleopatra Selene to the King of Mauritania, and give Theamusa to the Emperor of Partha. Cleopatra Selene should have been to better pedigree, but she went to a lesser client king, while Theamusa had no known pedigree but went to a much higher profile rival to Rome. This the main reason why Ellis thinks Theamusa was Julius Caesar’s daughter. Secondary supporting evidence are the coins of Selene and Musa looking near identical, and that the busts of Cleopatra VII and Theamusa look almost alike.
Maybe that woman should teach her own class.
Other people than John have given lectures as part of this series...
It’s getting very very annoying
01:30:11
Ptolemy IV?
You mean Ptolemy XIV?
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It's spelled pharaoh, not pharoah.
Did she really look like that?
Try a fake laugh at "Gladiator" & "Braveheart" - because they are portraying successful, rightous and true rebellions against "The Pharaohs" of today.
Why does it seem that the students know as much as the lecturer?
Because obviously, they are NOT an American audience!!
What's with the hairdo?
What's wrong with long hair? What if the professor is a metalhead? Also, who cares? The substance of his lecture is the thing that should be talked about. Anything else is superficial. That being said, he should work a little bit on his speaking quirks, since he tends to chuckle slightly at too many random points, a minor distraction he might want to consider.
Caesar didn’t want to be king/dictator and turned it down twice. He was beloved of the people far more than is presented -he is increasingly defamed by the successors of his assassins who rule much of the world today. The offer of Kingship was a trap by the senate, twice laid, such that if Caesar accepted it they would have a good excuse to assassinate him. As it was they killed him anyways because he obviously would have his blood son as successor -who could be a better successor than a child of both, uniting or rather Reuniting the original single race of Greeks and Romans. The child was a descendant of the adored Alexander. To prevent this, as soon as Caesarion was presented (his name was Isos in Egypt…think of the implications…). the Senate very sloppily murdered Caesar Anyways and STILL tried to pretend he was aiming for a dictatorship when he hd specifically rejected it Twice. The Senate and their related (gens Cassius) usurper choice for Real Dictator (as he became in fact in time) is given a pretend post humus adoption by Caesar’s FAKE will: Octavius. No Cleopatra did not kill herself… the new dictating senate just needed her line dead so typically pretended it was. Isos… yes Isos is the real ‘Jesus’ but his story was faked with the current forgery that is just a remake of Mithras.. That's a simple version of how history was rewritten and the implications are profound. Paris Sparrow
Ive no problem contemplating that recorded history is mostly to at least partially fake for political reasons, but what are the givens you are hanging your theories on?
Caesarion’s name was Ptolemy Caesar not whatever you wrote.
@@fabianhale845 Always remember history is rewritten profoundly and can best be understood looking through the eyes of the current victor, who is in a real sense a continuation of the non-Italian bloodlines that assasinated Casesar and his doubly=named son. Cleopatra was not being deceitful but just politically wise in her dangerous and very critical historical time period. Things became much much more dangerous for her after the death of her lover, co-king husband, and father of her child Caesar. But even before Caesar's death she called her son, before Egyptians who were Greek, Hebrew and otherwise Egyptian native, 'Isos'. It is the male form of the vital egyptian god Isis. This was done so that the Egyptians would not think of him as an outsider, as a 'Roman'. As Rome fought wars with egypt, it was of course perceived as an enemy by many natives. But to Greeks, who also fought war with Romans, the coupling promised the rebirth of Greco-Roman culture. In Egypt, she called Isos, by a name that linked him to his father. He was not only a Roman but their future emperor. The shocking thing, perhaps (or perhaps not so shocking to the public) was that Caesar was married to someone else. This was most shocking for those who were planing to infiltrate Caesar's humane bloodline and put in one of their own.. which they did by the Casius family choice of Octavian who was THEIR blood not Caesars... to the despair of 2000 years of black history which followed. As you see, I speak from a different perspective with knowledge of true world history which I call, the Paris Paradigm. See my personal page (Paris Sparrow... NOT the similar name I use above) and read with Great Patience over time as it is a complex subject which deposits in layers, not in a paragraph swallowed once and for all -the modern false expectation.
@@sparrowparas7156 There is no such thing as Isos. This has nothing to do with victors and winning. That’s always the laziest straw man excuse conspiracy theorists come up with: “If I don’t have proof against actual history, just say winners write the story “. Seriously get an education. Ptolemy Caesar was his name and Caesarion his nickname, no ifs, ands, or buts.
@Gary Allen I'm aware of what the fabricated 'consensus' says in history books. I've read it as you have. But, sadly, it is largely a sham hiding the vital truths which tell you who YOU are and who I am. People are misguided by numerous layers of lies (one of those layers is slopily mapping ethnic/genetic groups into many inappropriate 'nationality' categories... remember 'nations' didn't exist then. You had ethnic tribes... and you had empires which united them). The Real story of history can be read very slowly and patiently (as I have it among many separate posts covering various aspects of this huge Paris Paradigm on my personal face book page which is not named as above but as Paris Sparrow). A good starting point of knowing real history is knowing what REALLY happened at the Trojan War with Prince Paris... hence the name Paris Paradigm. In short, oddly enough, the Greeks did NOT attack troy (a careful reading of the original text in Greek bares this out.. the translation is bogus as is the accepted commentary and add ons) but they were the defenders of Troy, one critical in a very long series of defensive against the created army of the pharaoh first released in 1444 b.c. under an 'altered' story we know as the exodus of the old testament. This army was the ten (not twelve) Hebrew tribes (NOT Jews, who were the 12th tribe and not even really a tribe but egyptian leaders, like -thut-MOSES, placed over the ten tribes as military/political leaders. Modern 'history' claims the ten tribes are not lost which is patently absurd of course. They simply correspond those very slopilly defined as'whites' today. More specifically the ten tribes are today's anglo-germanic-scandinavian-nordic-benolux-former vikings who have settled primarily in NW europe and abroad in the Anglosphere. It's a lot of fake history to digest... hard to accept without the proof there is no room for HERE. But read Paris Sparrow personal page and I assure you your eyes will be opened, if you are willing to hold them open, to real history. The great deceit is sometimes called the Con of Man.
Awesome videos, but please leave out current politics.
0:54 Funny how you ridicule movies for being historically nonsense but go on to quote the Bible as a historical document and not a fairytale, lol
What? First off, Cleopatra was the daughter of a Ptolemy general who married his own sister and was not an African let alone an Egyptian! She was the last member of the Ptolemaic Regime who was Macedonian reiterate. But, she may have been a Macedonian Queen but she was not a Egyptian Pharoah!
Finally, the people who now live there are not genetically African/ Hwt- Ka- Ptah (now the Arab Republic of Egypt) but eurocoid
Many of the royal families in ancient Egypt, aka Pharaohs, were originally from other places. Some were Ethiopian, Nubian, Syrian, Persian, or Greek.
@@ansaif1976 Don't forget the Libyans as well, who ruled as the Meshwesh dynasties before the Nubians of the 25th dynasty. By "Syrian" do you mean the Hyksos? They were Semites who came from the Levant, but they weren't Syrians in particular (for that matter "Syrians" included Chaldeans, Aramaeans, Assyrians, and later Arabs).
@Natanya Aberra: I'm not sure what you're complaining about. The lecturer clearly says Cleopatra was a Macedonian Greek as were the other Ptolemies who ruled after Alexander the Great conquered Egypt, taking it away from the Persian Empire. Also, both ancient and modern Egyptians are indigenous North Africans who share much of their genome with West Asians.
Actually modern Egyptians are Egyptian, no less than their ancestors. And Cleopatra’s father was a king not a general. That’s her sixth great grandfather who started as a general and then became king.
@@fabianhale845 Cleopatra's father was a Ptolemy general who married his own sister. Cleopatra was not an African she was Macedonian.
With that, they colonized an African nation.
In the final analysis, the people who are now in Egypt are not genetically African let alone an Egyptian. That's that!
Cleopatra was Greek? Hopefully that's mentioned.
Her Greek Macedonian origins are mentioned numerous times beginning around the 8 minute mark and he continues talking about it up until the 12 minute mark, and that's just the beginning of the lecture.
The library of alexander was destroyed by the arab muslims under the instructions of the caliph umar in 641 AD and then concerning cleopatra was not a name but a title of any female ruler during greco macedonian dynasty the so called the ptolemiac dysnasty therefore cleopatra VII the last pharaoh of the ancient egyptian civilization...
It went through 4 major cataclusms that each destroyed a large part of the library. What you listed was simply the last.
Repeat the lie until it becomes a fact.
Cleopatra was a name. Just like Berenice, Arsinoe, Ptolemy, Seleucus, Antiochus, Demetrius, etc. Just because a name is repeatedly used doesn’t make it a title. By that logic, Henry, Louis, William, Francis, and Alexander are titles.
We need more Shaheen