Sienna sales are limited only by the number they build. People buy the Odyessy, Pacifica and Carnival because they don’t want to wait 2 years or pay too much. What they left out of this update is the latest safety gear which is inexcusable on a family hauler.
Sienna sales are limited only by the number they build. People buy the Odyessy, Pacifica and Carnival because they don’t want to wait 2 years or pay too much. What they left out of this update is the latest safety gear which is inexcusable on a family hauler.
It’s a minivan. We get it. We clicked the video because we know it’s a minivan. No need to point it out like it a bad thing that this is a minivan. You’re just keeping the stigma alive about it being a minivan
I really don’t understand why these car channels hate on vans so much. I guess because they get to drive so much cool stuff ask the time. But every regular car guy I know loves vans because of how practical they are, but no matter how much I try, I can’t get my wife to even consider driving one. It’s women who drive the family hauler markets and most women have decided that vans are uncool and would rather have a suv/cuv that holds less, is harder to get in/out of, and gets way worse mpg.
The problem in Canada isn't popularity it's delivery and waiting for over a year in some cases. If they ramped up production, they could sell way more.
Except he is not an expert. With just a little research before doing the review, he would have known that the cubby in the rear is for the spare tire if equipped and that the fridge/vacuum is an extension of the front console between the middle row seats.
I had a Toyota Previa and could climb to the back between the front seats. I'd rather be able to do that than have that big console between the seats. It takes away from the utility a van offers and makes the front seem disconnected from the back.
Couldn't agree more. If you need to stop and get back to the kids. No sense of getting out if you can just get in between the seat. The center consoles are terrible for a minivan function. I grew up with a 80s toyota cargo van that my dad put seats in. Driver was over the front axle and you accessed the engine by lifting the front seats. We sat on the hump between the driver and passenger seats all the time. That van was awesome to grow up with.
I had the first year, 2021 got an XLE FWD for $38k and change out the door. Covid hit and crazy prices happened. Carvana offered me, $49k for it. I thought it was a scam and saw they were selling used ones for $53K. I sold it and haven't been able to get another one since for a reasonable price. Fit and finish was outstanding for a 1st year model and yes it got 35 mpg in hot humid Florida for such a large vehicle. I can see why they sell out now a days. It even came with the spare tire. I didn't know that was big deal. LOL.
My reason for waiting. Coming from a truck with just ABS and traction control, I want all the latest safety on a vehicle I can keep for a long time. TSS 2.0 is from 2019, and for all that money too.
Really nice van. Only needs four things. 1. Folding/removable 2nd row 2. Spare tire 3. Availability 4. Smaller diameter rims (more rubber for comfort) in the highest trim
Spare tire is an option. Our family just purchased a 2024 Sienna Limited AWD, and it was optioned with a spare tire. The previous generation Sienna with AWD could not option a spare tire (accessed on the passenger side, under the second row area of the undercarriage), because the driveshaft for the AWD took up the space for the spare tire. This 2022 and newer Sienna design uses electric motors at the rear end to create AWD, instead of a physical driveshaft. I agree about the folding flat or removable second row. Also, who buys a minivan to only get 2 chairs in the second row, instead of a 3 person bench? Seriously! Also agree on having a smaller wheel and more rubber on the tire sidewall for a more comfortable ride. Do the engineers and designers even drive these vehicles on our United States roads? Potholes, expansion joints, railroad tracks, etc. all beat the living daylight out of oversize wheel packages. This is our family’s 4th Toyota Sienna since 2013.
I promised myself that I would never be seen driving a minivan but after having twins I broke that promise without any second thoughts. It's just so much more practical and convenient than any SUVs.
I like mini vans, one of my previous vehicles was an old Ford Freestar, it was closest thing I had to a car. It handled pretty good for what is essentially a rectangular brick and it had a decent turning circle for a fairly large vehicle. I've mostly owned trucks over the years and one small SUV. I've never had a car.
The primary reason these things are 3rd in sales is Toyota just does not seem to want to build enough of them. People are waiting 6 months to a year to get one.
11:28 👉Officially rated for 35 mpg, so likely also wrong about the 45 mpg & 50 mpg claims (unless he's just going downhill just coasting the entire trip). 🧐
To bad they didn't up the power just abit. And no I don't expect Race car performance from a van. But if memory serves it has less power than all the other vans. I do like that their is an AWD option. Get AWD with decent tires and it should be decent if bad weather hits. I also wish the second row would fold flat in case somebody wanted to make a camper van out of it. But still,a van is mostly a people hauler. Take the family with alot of luggage on vacation vehicle. But for me I think I'd still prefer a crossover or SUV. But then again Its been quite awhile since I've had little ones in the house.
The Sienna is downright stunning. What a great vehicle people sleep on. Whatever you drive, because you’re fighting the “uncool” minivan.. I guarantee no one thinks you’re cool 😂
@@courpuslvx Yeah I have seen that 32 is what a lot are reporting. This might be one of the models that the govt MPG was inflated 10%. The testing they do sometimes does not equate to real world driving. Or even Toyota could have given them a special vehicle that was not tuned the same. One major oversite! The EPA relying on the car manufactures to provide the vehicle.
I have been waiting for the vacuum to come out. Love the bug catchers in the front (not). I'd get the one with the spare awd. I would like to see the tail lights chamge to being bigger and more visable. How often do you change the plugs in the new atkinson engine?
1. Make it plug in optioned 2. Only 3rd row folding is enough **if** it’s a plug in capable battery. 3. Engine is fine. 4.power is fine. 5. First 2 rows should have heated/vented seats.
They don't need to change a thing to sell more, they just can't make enough to satisfy demand. They're impossible to get because every single one gets pre-sold even before touching the dealership. They will sell a lot more if they make a lot more.
You just have to remove some bolts to take them out and short out the airbag sensors. Lots of UA-cam videos on this. Lifting them is a pain. We had two mini vans with removable 2nd row seats and other than pulling them out once just to say I did it, they never came out.
3:12 Toyota missed a big opportunity by not offering a plug-in version. So many people want to jump on the electrification train for their daily driving. I don't have kids but I would buy one if it was a plug-in because it would be awesome to car camp in.
as watching this video, I'm having the 2024 sienna LE as my rental car for a week. First impression: very smooth, and fast enough to pick up the speed However, the interior is really a deal breaker for me, especially the second row middle seat. It's way lower than both seats on the sides, the super uncomfortable. It fits my chihuahua perfectly though lol. Seats' head rest angles somehow is weird, it tilts forward, and the seats are not too comfortable The side mirrors are smaller than the previous model the legs on the 3rd row seats sticking out, the design is just weird, and causes the cargo floor not even
Question on the interior safety feature where it notify or honk the horn when you leave someone or animal in the car. Many times, I'd leave my wife/kids in the car briefly at night or in cool weather so I can go to the store to pick up something. Or when she doesn't want to tag along in hardware store. Can I or an adult inside the car turn that feature off in that situation or there's no way of turning it off?
The Sienna sales numbers are low due to an artificial supply strain. I had to wait one month and drive 6 hours to another state to pickup my sienna. I had to pay insane markup
Build out an XSE trim, AWD is a $895 option. Get a Limited trim, AWD is $2000. WTF? And the front end looks like a blobfish out of water. But so reliable....
The best? How is this the best? It has the cheapest, most plastic filled interior. Then, the power train is a JOKE. Oh it gets 45mpg? Cool, it can barely make it up a hill loaded with passengers and luggage.
I hope they’ve changed their battery technology in the last 5-6 years. A friend just had to replace his hybrid battery (Less than 100k miles for about $6k). And the “leather” falls parts in 3-4 years, arm rest literally disintegrate. I love the practicality of the minivan. I’m fine with after three years putting some Katzkin leather in to replace the OEM crap. But the battery, not so much.
The market for the Sienna is ridiculous. We want one for our family, but there's a waitlist for them and if you want one off the lot there's a markup. We're taking a second look at the Carnival hybrid, but wish it had AWD like the Sienna.
Be careful with that 1.6 T gasoline engine in the Kia Hybrid. Not sure if they did any improvements to that design. My wife had that 1.6 T in her 2017 Tucson. We bought it new and it was fine until about 80,000 miles when it starting burning an insane amount of oil. Save all your oil and maintenance receipts or they won’t honor the warranty. After multiple consumption tests we were able to get a new engine in it. I think Kia should have put the newer hybrid engine they have in the Sorento. In my opinion, that 1.6 T is too small for the Carnival even with the battery assist. Good luck.
TFL truck is this your first day reviewing vehicles? We are not children who need a double take on how the center console opens. Also you should really figure out how things open like the hood BEFORE you role film. Come on TFL truck you are sinking fast.
The sarcasm is deafening! No in all seriousness, this was a little difficult to watch all the way through due to all the side comments. Got to be annoying.
He’s wrong about the vacuum location. Also the fridge is a real fridge and has the ability to freeze ice cream in the freeze setting. Also it’s rated at 35 mpg not 45. Lots of errors in this review.
A PHEV of the Sienna would probably put the price tag north of $65k which is not recoverable as an EV. Unfortunately the cost difference would likely never be recovered and at 40ish mpg already the gains won't matter much. I love Ohio, $100 premium each year for hybrid, $200 premium each year for PHEV or EV on registration. If the Odyssey jumped to a good PHEV that would be worthwhile since it doesn't really have a hybrid option.
Great review of this GUTLESS people mover! Toyota builds the best(quality/appearance-wise) minivan, with the WORST(performance-wise) powertrain. Not a single reviewer has had the courage to road-test the Sienna laden with adult passengers. Want to do a review of minivans, based on the reality of their intended use? Test them all with 4 adults, in the first two rows. And, 3 kids(or adults!) in the 3rd row! As I get ready to replace my 2014 Sienna(w/200,000 trouble-free miles), 2020 may be the newest model year I can obtain(with the V6).
Agree to the extent that fully loaded this thing probably is a dog. But if that's the intended use case, then get something else. 2 adults and 2 or 3 kids will luggage will be fine. And the gas milage is a huge factor.
@@jondrew55 I have had experience(several hundred miles) with this powertrain, loaded with only two adults, on the mountainous Interstate roads, where the speed limit is 75MPH. This engine moans and groans like a lazy teenager, not wanting to do their chores! And, during that period, it only returned 28MPG. Until Toyota is willing to address this, they will remain #3 in the minivan market.
@@tggfinancial Just to be clear, you have experience in a late model hybrid, correct? Maybe in your case this isn't the car for you. "Several hundred miles" would indicate you borrowed or rented the vehicle. Living in Florida, I never deal with mountainous interstates at 75. And assuming you had this thing "floored" for that driving experience, 28 is pretty decent. Sounds like it's just not the car for you. And again, people are waiting months if not a year to get their hands on these vans, so we really don't have any ideal why it's #3 based strictly on sales. BTW, I have no dog in this fight. I have a Durango R/T with a Hemi and a RAM 2500 Cummins.
I absolutely must be able to move the driver side middle seat out. Necessary for loading a wheelchair. If I can get an older Sienna, I will. But Toyota won't get my money aslo g as I can't load the wheelchair. I'm wary of the AWD Pacifica, but it is the ONLY van that works for me.
Spending $20,000 on a tote bag is the obvious choice, rather than spending $200 on a kislux bag and investing the remaining $19,800 since a $20,000 bag is unlikely to increase in value.
Aren’t available and whoever has them wants to charge you an extra $10K because it’s so hard to get one. After waiting 13 months I end up buying a used 2015 sienna.
I don't find this minivan to be cross competitive in the 3 row SUV/crossover market, at least for me. No way I'm spending 50k+ on an "awd" hybrid minivan when I can get a comparably equipped 3 row crossover with a more robust AWD/4wd setup in the low to mid 40s.
Try loading up the inside the same way as any 3 row crossover. Most people say they never would get a minivan until they started to use it to carry things. My wife was converted. Oh, I don't know what 3 row crossover with AWD trimmed out comparably that you are getting in the low to mid 40"s. Just saying.
Here's the thing. 3 row SUVs with the exception of massive ones like the Suburban/Yukon XL are all deficient in space/utility compared with minivans. Sliding doors, low load floor in the back and a much more roomy first second and third row are gamechangers for road trips, carpools, etc. I say this as a "never minivan guy" for a long time. We struggled through car seats and strollers with our kids in a 2008 Acura RDX and then a 2019 Mazda CX-9. After renting a Sienna on a trip, I was a convert. Getting back in the CX-9 at the airport on the way home it felt so tiny inside. We are taking delivery of a 2025 Sienna next week.
Newer sienna has 3rd row much smaller than previous gen. 2nd row not removable is stupidest move by Toyota. …not sure if anything changed for any of these features
This looks like Tesla livery. This car really makes a lot of sense if you don't care at all how quick the car is. It gets almost 2x the MPG of its rivals. But anyone who likes driving will wish for another 50 hp.
hey . . . you're saying for this Sienna you get 45 miles per gallon? Almost all videos I watched they said 35-36 mpg, cobined is 35 mpg. Your claim is way beyond . . . ???????
Im renting a Sienna LE hybrid 2024, 40$ full tank of gas 500 miles range compared with my 2017 chevy suburban 80$ per week 380 miles range the only thing that is disappointing on the toyota sienna is the interior feel cheap plastic already falling apart at 25,000 miles
FWIU the only thing Toyota needs to add to the Sienna is another shift at the factory.
This right here
35 mgg highway and city AWD can’t beat it!
Sienna sales are limited only by the number they build. People buy the Odyessy, Pacifica and Carnival because they don’t want to wait 2 years or pay too much.
What they left out of this update is the latest safety gear which is inexcusable on a family hauler.
Sienna sales are limited only by the number they build. People buy the Odyessy, Pacifica and Carnival because they don’t want to wait 2 years or pay too much.
What they left out of this update is the latest safety gear which is inexcusable on a family hauler.
What is FWIU?
It’s a minivan. We get it. We clicked the video because we know it’s a minivan. No need to point it out like it a bad thing that this is a minivan. You’re just keeping the stigma alive about it being a minivan
@@Mcarey70 Did you know the Sienna is a mini van?🤷
I really don’t understand why these car channels hate on vans so much. I guess because they get to drive so much cool stuff ask the time. But every regular car guy I know loves vans because of how practical they are, but no matter how much I try, I can’t get my wife to even consider driving one. It’s women who drive the family hauler markets and most women have decided that vans are uncool and would rather have a suv/cuv that holds less, is harder to get in/out of, and gets way worse mpg.
Toyota would quadruple sales if they’d make the dang thing. 2 year wait in my region
The problem in Canada isn't popularity it's delivery and waiting for over a year in some cases. If they ramped up production, they could sell way more.
@@JeffWinter1 and the square wheels. 🤷
2 year of waiting and still no word of ETA...
@@coolsheep1989 lulz
Over two years actually.
2 year and 2 months for me and she arrives on November 3, I am very happy it's very long ( Québec )
Give this guy a raise. Down to earth and make practical points. He is good
Arr you new to TFL?
more practical than 90% of “suv” and crossovers, looks the exact same but with sliding doors
XLE is $50k here😂
Better third row space, better cargo behind the 3rd row. Sliding doors are easier to load and it’s lower so easier to get in
@@dygardion9130 I have driven a Kia Sedona for eight years, and am ready for a change. 😂
@@trumpius_maximus47 I don’t understand how that relates to minivans being more practical than suvs
@@dygardion9130 and they smell like soup
Yup, Nathan is TFL expert of the minivan market. Andre covers trucks, Nathan is the minivan man.
Except he is not an expert. With just a little research before doing the review, he would have known that the cubby in the rear is for the spare tire if equipped and that the fridge/vacuum is an extension of the front console between the middle row seats.
@@davidhypes5228 that’s what makes Nathan a TFL treasure.
They would sell more if they just made more. There are none available at dealerships (at least here in Canada), and the waitlist is up to a year!
2 year and 2 months for me and she arrives on November 3, I am very happy it's very long ( Québec )
We waited 4mnths.. from forbes waterloo
Nice to see you Nathan! Thank you.
Great to see more from Nathan
Roman is unbearable. Everyone else on this channel though rocks 👍
I had a Toyota Previa and could climb to the back between the front seats. I'd rather be able to do that than have that big console between the seats. It takes away from the utility a van offers and makes the front seem disconnected from the back.
Yes!
Couldn't agree more. If you need to stop and get back to the kids. No sense of getting out if you can just get in between the seat. The center consoles are terrible for a minivan function. I grew up with a 80s toyota cargo van that my dad put seats in. Driver was over the front axle and you accessed the engine by lifting the front seats. We sat on the hump between the driver and passenger seats all the time. That van was awesome to grow up with.
I had the first year, 2021 got an XLE FWD for $38k and change out the door. Covid hit and crazy prices happened. Carvana offered me, $49k for it. I thought it was a scam and saw they were selling used ones for $53K. I sold it and haven't been able to get another one since for a reasonable price. Fit and finish was outstanding for a 1st year model and yes it got 35 mpg in hot humid Florida for such a large vehicle. I can see why they sell out now a days. It even came with the spare tire. I didn't know that was big deal. LOL.
You look healthier and happier now. It’s that Cali lifestyle !
Love the red, the body style and that it doesn't have all the ugly black plastic around the wheels like most cars today.
The vacuum and cooler is behind the center console. Only con is it take up some space in the second roll.
Really surprised Toyota didn't update safety suite to 2.5 if not even 3. Still going to be a few years til new version.
Agreed, a real let-down...
My reason for waiting. Coming from a truck with just ABS and traction control, I want all the latest safety on a vehicle I can keep for a long time. TSS 2.0 is from 2019, and for all that money too.
Really nice van. Only needs four things.
1. Folding/removable 2nd row
2. Spare tire
3. Availability
4. Smaller diameter rims (more rubber for comfort) in the highest trim
Totally agree especially on number four!
@@jonathanratliff4780you can get the spare tire as an option no as standard
Number two is a dealbreaker for me i use my van like a truck just as much as a people mover
Spare tire is an option. Our family just purchased a 2024 Sienna Limited AWD, and it was optioned with a spare tire. The previous generation Sienna with AWD could not option a spare tire (accessed on the passenger side, under the second row area of the undercarriage), because the driveshaft for the AWD took up the space for the spare tire. This 2022 and newer Sienna design uses electric motors at the rear end to create AWD, instead of a physical driveshaft. I agree about the folding flat or removable second row. Also, who buys a minivan to only get 2 chairs in the second row, instead of a 3 person bench? Seriously! Also agree on having a smaller wheel and more rubber on the tire sidewall for a more comfortable ride. Do the engineers and designers even drive these vehicles on our United States roads? Potholes, expansion joints, railroad tracks, etc. all beat the living daylight out of oversize wheel packages. This is our family’s 4th Toyota Sienna since 2013.
I heard you can remove the second row. But you have to disconnect the hybrid battery and a hidden sensor or the van explodes.
It does not give 45 miles per gallon btw as you said in video. Its 36. Nice video Thank You !!
I promised myself that I would never be seen driving a minivan but after having twins I broke that promise without any second thoughts. It's just so much more practical and convenient than any SUVs.
I am expecting twins and have hopped in the market. Do you drive a toyota?
@ nah I have a Kia but I am planning on getting a toyota next year.
That is a great looking and practical van! A+++++!!!
They’re asking 60k MSRP, so you know at the dealership it is going to be at 65k. And the interior is outdated even with the refresh
It's not even how outdated it is, how low-quality the interior trim materials are. It's crazy for this money!
I like mini vans, one of my previous vehicles was an old Ford Freestar, it was closest thing I had to a car. It handled pretty good for what is essentially a rectangular brick and it had a decent turning circle for a fairly large vehicle. I've mostly owned trucks over the years and one small SUV. I've never had a car.
The primary reason these things are 3rd in sales is Toyota just does not seem to want to build enough of them. People are waiting 6 months to a year to get one.
That side area in the trunk is where the spare tire goes if you get that option. Vacuum is in the middle of the 2nd row
Great review/reviewer. Thank you.
They knocked it out of the park on the inside. But Carnival did a great update as well.
At last, an xse video! Been waiting for one.
Thx for informing
Actually the location for the vacuum and the cooler is behind the center console in the front it sticks in a little between the two cabin chairs
Really shocks me they can put out a video on a vehicle review and not do any homework to know the most basic of changes.
11:28 👉Officially rated for 35 mpg, so likely also wrong about the 45 mpg & 50 mpg claims (unless he's just going downhill just coasting the entire trip). 🧐
@@countbackfrom10 seems like super lazy content to just throw out or they didn’t care about looking into it.
Finally back to the narrower look. I had a 2001 XLE. As a single person I loved it for sports. Throw in ALL MY gear and go explore alone. Plush.
I'm sure you pop the second row seats out.
To bad they didn't up the power just abit. And no I don't expect Race car performance from a van. But if memory serves it has less power than all the other vans. I do like that their is an AWD option. Get AWD with decent tires and it should be decent if bad weather hits. I also wish the second row would fold flat in case somebody wanted to make a camper van out of it. But still,a van is mostly a people hauler. Take the family with alot of luggage on vacation vehicle. But for me I think I'd still prefer a crossover or SUV. But then again Its been quite awhile since I've had little ones in the house.
The Sienna is downright stunning. What a great vehicle people sleep on. Whatever you drive, because you’re fighting the “uncool” minivan.. I guarantee no one thinks you’re cool 😂
This is so true
I think you misspoke. You said 45 MPG, it should be 35.
yeah that's a massive oversight. i get on average 32 mpg in my AWD 2024 XLE
@@courpuslvx Yeah I have seen that 32 is what a lot are reporting. This might be one of the models that the govt MPG was inflated 10%. The testing they do sometimes does not equate to real world driving. Or even Toyota could have given them a special vehicle that was not tuned the same. One major oversite! The EPA relying on the car manufactures to provide the vehicle.
I have been waiting for the vacuum to come out. Love the bug catchers in the front (not). I'd get the one with the spare awd. I would like to see the tail lights chamge to being bigger and more visable. How often do you change the plugs in the new atkinson engine?
1. Make it plug in optioned
2. Only 3rd row folding is enough **if** it’s a plug in capable battery.
3. Engine is fine.
4.power is fine.
5. First 2 rows should have heated/vented seats.
Sometimes those little cutouts are proprietary and therefore aftermarket providers can't provide that lens through the insurance companies
How are you liking California Nathan? Any regrets?
They would sell a lot more of these if they made the seats removable. Imagine the possibilities!
They don't need to change a thing to sell more, they just can't make enough to satisfy demand. They're impossible to get because every single one gets pre-sold even before touching the dealership. They will sell a lot more if they make a lot more.
You just have to remove some bolts to take them out and short out the airbag sensors. Lots of UA-cam videos on this. Lifting them is a pain. We had two mini vans with removable 2nd row seats and other than pulling them out once just to say I did it, they never came out.
3:12 Toyota missed a big opportunity by not offering a plug-in version. So many people want to jump on the electrification train for their daily driving.
I don't have kids but I would buy one if it was a plug-in because it would be awesome to car camp in.
Except they barely did any updates to the Sienna. Where’s TSS 3.0?
It’s a beautiful van. Modern minivans are very attractive
as watching this video, I'm having the 2024 sienna LE as my rental car for a week.
First impression: very smooth, and fast enough to pick up the speed
However, the interior is really a deal breaker for me, especially the second row middle seat. It's way lower than both seats on the sides, the super uncomfortable. It fits my chihuahua perfectly though lol.
Seats' head rest angles somehow is weird, it tilts forward, and the seats are not too comfortable
The side mirrors are smaller than the previous model
the legs on the 3rd row seats sticking out, the design is just weird, and causes the cargo floor not even
For all carmakers that still make minivans, they are probably the best looking and best equipped SUVs in their lineup.
Great review
They need to build more. There are waiting lists and dealer markups for a minivan? Crazy.
Question on the interior safety feature where it notify or honk the horn when you leave someone or animal in the car. Many times, I'd leave my wife/kids in the car briefly at night or in cool weather so I can go to the store to pick up something. Or when she doesn't want to tag along in hardware store. Can I or an adult inside the car turn that feature off in that situation or there's no way of turning it off?
Love mine but it can ride rough but the fuel mileage makes me really really happy
Rides rough because of the 20 inch wheels?
The Sienna sales numbers are low due to an artificial supply strain. I had to wait one month and drive 6 hours to another state to pickup my sienna. I had to pay insane markup
Guessed wrong on the location of the vacuum and fridge box, both are up in the center console
Build out an XSE trim, AWD is a $895 option. Get a Limited trim, AWD is $2000. WTF? And the front end looks like a blobfish out of water. But so reliable....
The best? How is this the best? It has the cheapest, most plastic filled interior. Then, the power train is a JOKE. Oh it gets 45mpg? Cool, it can barely make it up a hill loaded with passengers and luggage.
Idk dude. We drop this thing all over Arizona and it did fine.
Niice review 👌
So only real update is a screen?
In canada the wait times are 2.5 years, maybe close to 3 years. Mini van are great!!
I hope they’ve changed their battery technology in the last 5-6 years. A friend just had to replace his hybrid battery (Less than 100k miles for about $6k). And the “leather” falls parts in 3-4 years, arm rest literally disintegrate. I love the practicality of the minivan. I’m fine with after three years putting some Katzkin leather in to replace the OEM crap. But the battery, not so much.
Toyota factory hybrid battery warranty is 10 years/150K miles
The market for the Sienna is ridiculous. We want one for our family, but there's a waitlist for them and if you want one off the lot there's a markup. We're taking a second look at the Carnival hybrid, but wish it had AWD like the Sienna.
Be careful with that 1.6 T gasoline engine in the Kia Hybrid. Not sure if they did any improvements to that design. My wife had that 1.6 T in her 2017 Tucson. We bought it new and it was fine until about 80,000 miles when it starting burning an insane amount of oil. Save all your oil and maintenance receipts or they won’t honor the warranty. After multiple consumption tests we were able to get a new engine in it. I think Kia should have put the newer hybrid engine they have in the Sorento. In my opinion, that 1.6 T is too small for the Carnival even with the battery assist. Good luck.
How does Nathan always get the minivan reviews?
TFL!!! Hear me out: you need to do a mini van max towing test up the Ike! Do it!
TFL truck is this your first day reviewing vehicles? We are not children who need a double take on how the center console opens. Also you should really figure out how things open like the hood BEFORE you role film. Come on TFL truck you are sinking fast.
Mpg is not 45 or 50....it's 35 or 36
The sarcasm is deafening! No in all seriousness, this was a little difficult to watch all the way through due to all the side comments. Got to be annoying.
The volume is to low. Blasted by the commercials loudness.
Vacuum/fridge is located on the backside of the center console
Is that the quietest ride compare to Carnival, Pacifica and Odyssey?
I’m a dad and I want this exact one
This is the most beautiful minivan for my opinions bye far but in Canada very hard to get one
He’s wrong about the vacuum location. Also the fridge is a real fridge and has the ability to freeze ice cream in the freeze setting. Also it’s rated at 35 mpg not 45. Lots of errors in this review.
Like seen in 'Get Shorty', a minivan makes sense relative to an SUV.
Okay the flat folding seats is a big no go. Most people use it for practicality but flat folding is a practicality.
The vacuum is actually in the rear of the center console
A PHEV of the Sienna would probably put the price tag north of $65k which is not recoverable as an EV. Unfortunately the cost difference would likely never be recovered and at 40ish mpg already the gains won't matter much. I love Ohio, $100 premium each year for hybrid, $200 premium each year for PHEV or EV on registration. If the Odyssey jumped to a good PHEV that would be worthwhile since it doesn't really have a hybrid option.
Quick question do you know if the Xse 2025 offer is 360 camera?
It does not. Only the Platinum has 360 camera
bummer for me. the fold down and not fold down seats ruins my sleeping bag travel option.
Great review of this GUTLESS people mover! Toyota builds the best(quality/appearance-wise) minivan, with the WORST(performance-wise) powertrain. Not a single reviewer has had the courage to road-test the Sienna laden with adult passengers. Want to do a review of minivans, based on the reality of their intended use? Test them all with 4 adults, in the first two rows. And, 3 kids(or adults!) in the 3rd row! As I get ready to replace my 2014 Sienna(w/200,000 trouble-free miles), 2020 may be the newest model year I can obtain(with the V6).
Agree to the extent that fully loaded this thing probably is a dog. But if that's the intended use case, then get something else. 2 adults and 2 or 3 kids will luggage will be fine. And the gas milage is a huge factor.
@@jondrew55 I have had experience(several hundred miles) with this powertrain, loaded with only two adults, on the mountainous Interstate roads, where the speed limit is 75MPH. This engine moans and groans like a lazy teenager, not wanting to do their chores! And, during that period, it only returned 28MPG. Until Toyota is willing to address this, they will remain #3 in the minivan market.
@@tggfinancial Just to be clear, you have experience in a late model hybrid, correct? Maybe in your case this isn't the car for you. "Several hundred miles" would indicate you borrowed or rented the vehicle. Living in Florida, I never deal with mountainous interstates at 75. And assuming you had this thing "floored" for that driving experience, 28 is pretty decent. Sounds like it's just not the car for you. And again, people are waiting months if not a year to get their hands on these vans, so we really don't have any ideal why it's #3 based strictly on sales. BTW, I have no dog in this fight. I have a Durango R/T with a Hemi and a RAM 2500 Cummins.
Well……no reviewer has tested SUV’s or sedans with a full load either!
@@1958grasshopper You are correct! This creates an opportunity, to test them all, fully loaded! Perhaps a new channel like, Doug DeMuro, Loaded! lol
where can i buy a 2025 sienna xle. in Washington state. every where i go ----no inventory. i can by a tesler in couple hours?
Probably would sell more but there was a waiting list.
I am looking, but i definitely don't want the center row of seats being i don't have kids. I want to be able to put a bed mattress in the back.
they need to make more to sell more. always sold before they get to lot!
The only thing changed is the price over the years. Way up
are you sure it's 45mpg and not 35mpg?
its 35
I’d buy it if it also have the I-force max hybrid engine like the grand highlander.
I absolutely must be able to move the driver side middle seat out. Necessary for loading a wheelchair. If I can get an older Sienna, I will. But Toyota won't get my money aslo g as I can't load the wheelchair. I'm wary of the AWD Pacifica, but it is the ONLY van that works for me.
Spending $20,000 on a tote bag is the obvious choice, rather than spending $200 on a kislux bag and investing the remaining $19,800 since a $20,000 bag is unlikely to increase in value.
It needs more power compared to the competition.
I just hate they took away the double sunroof
There was a shortage of siennas last year. They didn’t produce a lot.
Aren’t available and whoever has them wants to charge you an extra $10K because it’s so hard to get one.
After waiting 13 months I end up buying a used 2015 sienna.
To drive 150000 miles
Sienna needs 4166 gallons
Odyssey need 6818 gallons
saves 2652 gallons
That's about 8000.00 dollars in 150000 miles
not bad.
I don't find this minivan to be cross competitive in the 3 row SUV/crossover market, at least for me. No way I'm spending 50k+ on an "awd" hybrid minivan when I can get a comparably equipped 3 row crossover with a more robust AWD/4wd setup in the low to mid 40s.
Try loading up the inside the same way as any 3 row crossover. Most people say they never would get a minivan until they started to use it to carry things. My wife was converted. Oh, I don't know what 3 row crossover with AWD trimmed out comparably that you are getting in the low to mid 40"s. Just saying.
Here's the thing. 3 row SUVs with the exception of massive ones like the Suburban/Yukon XL are all deficient in space/utility compared with minivans. Sliding doors, low load floor in the back and a much more roomy first second and third row are gamechangers for road trips, carpools, etc. I say this as a "never minivan guy" for a long time. We struggled through car seats and strollers with our kids in a 2008 Acura RDX and then a 2019 Mazda CX-9. After renting a Sienna on a trip, I was a convert. Getting back in the CX-9 at the airport on the way home it felt so tiny inside. We are taking delivery of a 2025 Sienna next week.
The vacuum cleaner is on the center console
Newer sienna has 3rd row much smaller than previous gen. 2nd row not removable is stupidest move by Toyota. …not sure if anything changed for any of these features
Honda Odissey is #1 because of FWD!
They all have fwd
Awesome looking minivan but that lethargic I-4 engine is a deal breaker for me
This looks like Tesla livery. This car really makes a lot of sense if you don't care at all how quick the car is. It gets almost 2x the MPG of its rivals. But anyone who likes driving will wish for another 50 hp.
hey . . . you're saying for this Sienna you get 45 miles per gallon? Almost all videos I watched they said 35-36 mpg, cobined is 35 mpg. Your claim is way beyond . . . ???????
Misspoken
Even half loaded I would buy a Sienna, an Oddysey, or maybe a Kia over any Pacifica.
No way 45-50mpg. 😂 this is what happens when you’re reviewing a dozen other hybrids. Probably mixing up a Camry.
Im renting a Sienna LE hybrid 2024, 40$ full tank of gas 500 miles range compared with my 2017 chevy suburban 80$ per week 380 miles range the only thing that is disappointing on the toyota sienna is the interior feel cheap plastic already falling apart at 25,000 miles
The price would exceed $60k if they went prime. I doubt that they want to have the most expensive minivan. Leave that to Chrysler, lol
SUV back in the days is called a station wagon. Lol I rather be in a Van than a station wagon.