The Last Of Us Part 2 Ending Commentary - Luke Reacts
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The Scene Change: • Neil Druckmann regrets...
The Ending: • Neil Druckmann explain...
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Just gotta say this entire directors commentery was phenomenal, i wish more games had this it was awesome.
The God of War one too was really great as well. And you can see a lot of similar beats there too. Tight deadlines, stressful development periods, doubt, frustrations, but at least that one had a happier ending.
I have always taken the stance that good writing is that if you leave just enough space to not give a definitive answer but allows wiggle room for speculation is much more enjoyable then to continue to write and explain things. But it is a fine balance that you don't leave people frustrated but there is mystic still there
you can't determine what's 'good nor bad (& eVeL)' in it's absolute form of truth & the reasons being is because of the prescriptive nature of it all, which is derived from the Cognitive Perception of an individual based on a Higher set of perceived standards, that gets determined in its absolute form of truth to what it should & shouldn't be as; such as the Modernistic contrived values of abstractions such as 'Subjectivism & Objectivism' & what's 'right & wrong, gUd & eVeL' there's a lot more to this subset but that's the general idea...
now, what makes any set of writing 'stand-out' is anything that's arbitrary towards the detriment of what the writers/creators used for their Cognitive Perception of what makes the writing 'stand-out' such as the subset to what you described for.
There was a UA-camr therapist by the name of Dr Mick that analyzed tlou pt2 and he mentioned that the Abby Sex scene def made sense given the context of what their relationship is and the recent events that took place in both their lives within the last few days. Honestly I'd check it out its really interesting and he has a lot of cool psychological perspectives all the playthroughs he does.
Yeah the sex scene does make some sense to me, but it just weirded me out seeing it given how I feel about the characters
@@johntheberserkOur feelings are kinda irrelevant in a sense. They have a complex, complicated relationship and it's clear that Abby and Owen clearly have feelings, deep feelings for each other. Unfortunately her pursuit for revenge pushed him away and Owen just always wanted to be there for her since he was there when her father was murdered.
I loved the sex scene because it was pretty raw, it was so much pent up emotions that all came out and they just couldn't hold back.
I always laugh when people complain about sex scenes yet they also complain about female characters not being "sexy". So what is it. You just want women to dress in scantly clad clothing to fantasize over? Smh.
@AnthonyMcNeil I never said I wanted Abby to be sexualized in my own fantasy, I don't really mind sex scenes but idk it just weirded me out up to that build up. I didn't really too much care for everybody in the game to that point bc I was just emotionally drained too much so how I feel about it is just bias. Then in the boat Owen reminds Abby what happened in Jackson about beating Joel to death in front of Ellie then they start kissing? That's kinda disturbing
@AnthonyMcNeil My dude. Abby isn't what normal people are attracted to.
@@johntheberserk and thats totally fair. I don't think its wrong to feel that way. But for me I felt it was appropriate to have the scene in there, cause as the story continues it just makes Abby feel even more guilty after finding Owen dead. I mean the little note that was in the sail boat at Santa Barbara kind of said it all when she was mentioning the spotted Seal and was asking "is this some karmic way of you mocking me". I could be looking into it a bit much but it certainly seemed to me that she was mentioning something there that was being seeing that Seal.
I always thought that the moth represented Ellie's pursuit of vengeance.. like a moth to a flame, Ellie pursued that vengeance until eventually getting burned
Yeah, Neil Druckmann said that was the intention. So spot on!
@andrewsilverio8289 Lol, I didn't catch he said that I must've overlooked that. Thank you
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
@MaxRamos8 honestly I just wish they left it with the first game the whole theme around the second game was unnecessary to me and the pacing in it made it worse
@@MaxRamos8you're one superficial Drone ain't ya...
No one talks about it but that Joel mislead trailer definitely broke the trust of a lot of Naughty Dog customers
Everyone who hates on the game talk about that moment lol
I'm guessing they're also mad the game is 20hrs and not 3 minutes like the trailer
lol. Imagine being triggered by a trailer to that extent. 😂
Hideo Kojima did the same shit 20 years ago and no one cared after a while. Y'all are literally babies.
Yep, I was really disappointed
Oh wow I was literally just watching these commentary clips, good timing!
Playing the game while having the “Director’s Commentary” On was surprisingly VERY engaging. Made me wanna play the game more.
I just don’t buy, among a lot of points in the story, that mid fight to the death that Ellie sees Joel, the reason she’s on this revenge quest and stops fighting. Sure as the player we can see the parallel path that Ellie is about to complete that she can’t forgive joel for. But I don’t buy that in a split second that Ellie in a rage sees what we as the all seeing player can see. There’s a lot of things in the game that, sure make sense for a narrative but don’t play out in a believable manner for just the character.
She killed a pregnant woman and that didn't make her stop, after all.
But tlou1 goes with some guys who show incredibly límited knowledge of how to do research would have gotten the cure by killing Ellie after very very basic testing in a very short time.
So at least you can say it's coherent
It makes 0 sense. The whole point of the story crumbles as well when you consider that in pursuit of revenge Ellie loses absolutely everything and Abby not only gets to kill the person she wanted to murder, she also gets rewarded by finding a new purpose for her life as the fallout of that event and the only reason she survives is because Ellie saves her, in other words if Abby hadn't sought revenge she wouldn't be saved and would die at the cross. Its like they forgot Abby was also a part of this whole cycle of vengeance thing and for the story to make sense they had to also make her lose way more than she gained, I say they forgot but in reality its pretty clear Abby was their favorite character and the entire story exists just to build her up at the expense of every other character.
@@DakonBlackblade2 i hate the narrative that people seem to think that abby was "rewarded" for her revenge when it like, destroyed her entire life lol. after she killed joel, she still continued to have nightmares then lost her entire group of friends as well as lover, then when confronted with ellie after all that, abby STILL spared ellie. yes, abby had lev to help her move on but that's literally the one good thing that happened to her and it also had nothing to do with her revenge
@@moca-dev Honestly, what is bro talking about? ALL her friends got brutally murdered. She was tortured for assumedly weeks/months. Her whole life was destroyed. That's not losing everything because she didn't die and lives by the grace of Ellie? C'mon.
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
People have forgotten that hideo kojima did the biggest lie in mgs2, showing solid snake gameplay that you dont even play as him 3/4 of the game!!😂😂
thing is, MGS2 is an actually good game
Yeah, people hated him for years for that. Some people still can't let it go. It always happens with more experimental games. When I first played it, years after release, I loved it and after finding out how the relase went I always wondered what it must've been like to love a game everyone seemed to hate. Now I know.
@@sicsempertyrannis6541both games are amazing, shut up
@@sicsempertyrannis6541*facepalm*
Metal Gear fans have *not* forgotten that. They just forgave him after MGS3.
I never understood why dina left ellie like that and why she had to be abandoned it was just a cruel story.
Everyone always forgets about JJ as a possible main character for the 3rd game
I’d love to see the Tommy story be an animated short series instead of an expansion/small game.
One of my gripes with this game is that that penultimate scene with Ellie and Joel on the porch shouldve been earlier in the game before his death. I think it wouldve been better if we understood the changed dynamic between them and saw the consequences of the first game and the deterioration of their relationship over time as we are playing, not in flashbacks. Structuring the game in a way that it jumps right into Joel's death and Ellie's quest for revenge and keeping the exact events and relationship between Joel and Ellie vague and subtle as to make it a mystery, and then slowly reveal through the flashbacks the moments we'd been wanting to see for 7 years waiting for the game, and getting all of Ellie's and Abby's sections of the game before we get to see Joel and Ellie come to terms with Joel's decision to save Ellie and lie about it and her saying she wants to try to forgive him makes no sense to me and it's so incredibly frustating. It's supposed to be one last jigsaw puzzle falling into place so the whole story makes sense, but it recontexualises everything and changes Ellie's whole motivation. But the problem is it's a game so it needs gameplay, and they wanted to tell multiple perspectives, so the whole game would need restructuring for this to make sense and flow naturally
I would disagree. Its like a reward for getting through this depressing stuff. Knowing that they talked about it, knowing that they dont hate each other
@moritzkersting7563 but I still think we shouldve known that from the start, as it's a crucial detail in their relationship that is kept a mystery
@@bishbosh4815 completely disagree. Its placement is perfect and completely recontexualizes the game (that’s a good thing).
"This is a nice thing about leaving a story unanswered with those endings open, is that you can fill in the gaps yourself. And whichever version of the story you would almost prefer to land on you can settle on, and they don't need to answer it. Whereas sometimes when all those questions are answered, it leaves you more frustrated than if you didn't know the answer."-
Ironically, this perfectly describes The end of TLOU 1, and how Part 2 effects it .
your on drugs
I disagree. The story wrapped up the arc for Joel’s character but not for Ellie. Her character wasn’t taken to the end of line like Joel’s. I’m sorry but nothing anyone could have imagined comes close to as creative and interesting as what naughty dog came up with for the sequel imo.
I think the game was really overhated, I loved it
I liked it a lot too it just wasn’t enjoyable to play based on the decisions the characters were making mainly Ellie.
People did overdo it, especially calling it a 0/10 or anything below a 7-8 is ridiculous. The story isn’t good but the gameplay, combat, graphics, and acting are excellent even if the writing isn’t the best at times
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
What you said about filling up the gaps ourselves is exactly what happened when the first game ended. I just think the lasting impact of the first is so much stronger if the second never happened. Because now that it does, they chose that Joel is wrong. Is not up for us to decide anymore.
I like the second game, I just think the story as a whole would be better if it didn't exist. Or maybe it could be done differently. I still believe that if Joel had a more deserving death, with more screen time and more respect, the whole feeling of the game would be different. It's the same discussion we are having about Suicide Squad and the way they kill the Justice League. It can be so much better when it's done respectfully.
(spoilers for read dead 2)
I mean... they killed Arthur in some of the most despicable ways, depending on your honor level. But it felt coherent to the story.
We all missed Joel and Ellie, but they decided to take them from the public in the first 2 hours of the game, without giving us anything of them together.
I get that the point was to feel that they took something from us, that we lost someone, and to make us feel rage.
But they were really threading on some mighty thin ice with this decision, and for a lot of people it was not a good feeling to have, because it was too much.
I truly believe Part II could tell the same story, but with some major tweaks relating to Joel, and it would be even more successful.
Just to end this monologue: a well written death of a character can make a hell of a difference in a story.
The best commentary on the ending was Internet Historian when he was live-streaming the game after release.
Naughty dog always misleads with there trailers its like marketing, i had no prob with it
@@SweetBabylnc have no issues with misleading trailers. My best gaming experience was MGS2 and the mind blowing experience that I had.
My issue is the game ending basically was bleak for the sake of being bleak with no substance, with the only aim was to SUBVERT expectations. Which was the big trend in the entertainment world when they wrote the story.
Hence the joke the recycling of violence.
There are 2 games that gonna stay with me forever, RDR 2 and TLoU 2. One day I'm gonna show my kids, well... when there old enough.
Honestly, if they do end up making a 3rd game, it should be Ellie being a lone traveler. Maybe bring it full circle where she ends up kinda like Joel. A hardened traveler that doesn’t have any feelings for anyone and is a ruthless killer until she finds someone that needs help and then she’s a sort of parental figure to someone and she’s able to find herself again. I think it would be better than finding another love interest or getting back with Dina. She should completely cut all ties with the community from the 2nd game and go on her own journey.
Stop. We don't need yet another copy of the Joel and Ellie dynamic. They already repeated that with Abby and Lev and it would just feel off, or even downright comical at this point.
@@prettyboyg1278 I get what you’re saying, I just don’t see another way for her character to be redeemed. She has lost everything and she needs someone to form a bond with. I guess it doesn’t have to be a parental type of bond but without something, I just think her story will fall flat. Maybe it’s already too far gone, idk.
Hey Stephen! New subscriber here, good work.
I like how in your headcanon you picture a positive scene "oh look she's wearing the bracelet, that means they're together again!"
That would undermine the message of the game. Why would they give you a happy ending??? Talking about the writing, What would be the point of that? She travels all the way to the farm to play the guitar a little bit? That doesn't make sense, lol.
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
I tried it again and got the platinum to see if my opinion has changed I’m not as annoyed now but i still question so many things.
I want a Tommy led game that takes place after Seattle. Im interested in how he survived the shot to the head and how he made it back to Jackson after an injury like that.
That "mislead" is why i pre ordered the game. Genuinely hope naughty dog quits lying through marketing. Absolute horseshit move
Part 3 IDEA: Ellie wants to take her own life for the sake of a cure but before she does ABBY kill’s her and kills herself after.
Yeah considering what part 3 could be about and possibly Ellie taking the Joel role in taking care of a kid, they already did that with Abby and Lev. I don't think ND will repeat themselves and do the lone wolf and cub one more time.
If she went back to Jackson does she lie to Tommy , telling him she killed Abby just to keep the piece with him .
what if dina leaves her baby with jesses family and goes after Ellie and then she gets in to trouble so then ellie goes after her and asks tommy for help and they go to save dina
The thing is Ellie not killing Abby makes the ending more disappointing. If she lost her fingers her love and ability to play guitar as a consequence of her fulfilled revenge then the story and themed would resolve nicely. But the fact that she sacrifices all of those things and then lets Abby live is bad writing in my opinion. With all the good in her life now gone what motivation does she have to be compassionate to Abby, especially when Abby is the impetus for all he loss in the first place.
Its not about being compassionate to Abby, it was about letting go Joel, that's why its amazing writting
Exactly. I still think she should have succeeded in killing Abby. She would’ve gotten her revenge, but at what cost? She loses everything and doesn’t get the closure she was looking for. That’s the cost of revenge. In the actual ending it feels undeserved because of the fact she didn’t go through with killing Abby.
Strongly disagree. The point of Ellie’s entire story is not Ellie getting revenge on Abby, it’s Ellie being unable to grapple with not being able to forgive herself and getting robbed of the opportunity to forgive Joel. That lack of closure and powerlessness is what sends Ellie into a spiral and gives her PTSD, not her hate for Abby. Its through physically conquering Abby that she is finally able to try to forgive again and regain some power over herself. Ellie killing Abby does nothing to serve that purpose in my opinion, and actually takes away from the ending they’re trying to say-that through pain, grief, and hate and the scars that it brings, there is also forgiveness, healing and hope.
I agreed with you when the game came out but replaying it now I have come around on the ending being okay(still not good, definitely think they should have ended it with Abby and lev getting out of Santa Barbara(not getting jumped by the rattlers) and then go to the farm where we see Ellie and Dina happy and maybe Tommy has a happy visit. With what they chose though it’s not about killing Abby at that point for Ellie it’s about not killing lev and she can’t kill Abby without killing lev
To me that's good writing. Everything that happens to Ellie, Abby and Joel is a consequence of their own choices and up to that point in the story Ellie hadn't really lost much because of her choices. Joel died because of him. Abby lost all her friends because of her. Ellie only lost Jessie and that was enoguh, yet she fails to see she's getting it better than most. She makes a choices, risks it all, and loses it all, but gets peace in exchange is able to let Joel go. That's stakes and consequence. To me that's good writing
Can’t wait for pt 3🖤
Guess they were too busy trying to keep people from predicting the story they forgot they were destroying people's expectations.
I go back and forth on the ending tbh. In some way I love how they took a bold chance with it but on the other hand I find a lot of it stupid and there’s a very thin line between bold and stupid. I do think the ending is a bit unearned in a way but it is what it is
ellie can just learn to play left handed😂
I thought the same thing ha. Even though her guitar is a single cutaway, she can just string it up left-handed.
I like TLOU2, but feel as though the game really wasn’t necessary and leaves a sour taste when thinking of the first (that I loved). I also didn’t like certain story bits like the coincidences leading to Joel’s death (an infiltration could’ve worked much better) or the way Ellie kills dozens, if not hundreds, of people to reach Abby and then lets her go with the ONLY communicated regret being that she lost Dina, and not unnecessarily killing people. I also believe that the game is too long and that both 3 day segments should’ve been 2 days.
We have companies misleading people into buying things . I’ll take a misdirection for story purposes
all she gotta do is relearn guitar left handed
Dina dying instead just wouldn't work as well in my opinion. Being a new character we wouldn't have as much of an attachment to her.
I think I could never forgive Abby.... But I would like to try
I don't really mind the character swap in the trailers. Metal Gear Solid 2 did the same thing more than two decades ago, and that's one of my favorites of all time.
Just because the game ended up being good, doesn’t make it ok. Misleading trailers that literally lie and make shit up, are never ok.
@devin6079 I don't really agree that it's so black-and-white. I think the intent here was just to add an extra layer of surprise for fans. For me, they worked.
@@deadhawk1212 yea it’s a surprise because THEY LIED lol
People who are frustrated with ending clearly didn’t get what game is about, it is usually clear by the thought process when they complain.
It’s not that intellectually deep of a story, violence is cyclical and costly. I’m sure some people don’t get it. The issue i see the majority of people having is that it was written poorly or at the very least structured and paced poorly.
Bro how many times do we have to say this my guy. Just because you can explain something doesn’t make it good. Yes it makes sense. Is it good. Fuck no
Bruh it's not that they didn't get the message, everyone and their mother understood the message of the game, they just didn't think the game offered them enough reason for that ending to justify itself, that's why that 10 hours segment with abby exists and unfortunately the game doesn't manage to make those fans feel shit for her because of many factors, for me it's that she's just a pawn for that message, it's also because she's obviously created to fill in for Joel, that's why they mirror her dynamic with Lev with that of Joel and Ellie and sadly that dynamic just doesn't work nearly as well as it did with the other two, all of her friends are written poorly as well as Ellie's new friends in this sequel, so it doesn't help to feel for either if you're a newcomer to the franchise through this game, the only motive that the game can clearly build for the player to chase after Abby is if the player played the first game already, so it also screws the first game's story by giving itself this generic "violence is bad" plot.
The fact that you do not like how it is written does not make it poorly written. As valuable argument as the one people who “know” how it should be written use.
Or people didn’t like the direction the game went?
People who can’t grasp this concept always resort to saying “people just don’t get what the message was”.
It’s pretty tiring.
Honestly story wise I would put the tell tale walking dead season 2 over the last of us part 2
The last of us was about Joel and Ellie. Nobody could care less if dina, abby, Jesse or the whole plethora of other characters died or not. Tbh I haven't played the game since it came out and I almost forgot dina and Jesse existed.
I find it funny how people hate TLOU2 advertisements but forgive cyberpunk the irony and im not talking about bugs...
@14:00 I think Ellie will search for Abby on Catalina island. The fireflies have a base there and Ellie gets a second chance to sacrifice herself for the cure. I think we will play as Ellie, Abby and a third character. Maybe Lev but I think it will be someone we haven’t met yet.
that'll be such a superficial interpretation of TLOU3 with no underlying point of doing what it set out to compared to the 1st & 2nd game...
my interpretation of the 3rd game is going to have to be a standoff compared to the previous ones, so that'll mean that you'll won't play as the standard parallels that the 1st two TLOU games had, such as playing as Sarah & Joel as the 1st protagonist you play as in each TLOU game, then onwards you play the 2 remaining as what the 2 TLOU games did; TLOU3 will scrap those vignettes & introduce a new character immediately, the introduction will be a lot like how Banshee's main protagonist would be introduced (especially the song that it uses for the main protagonist), but it will be the main protagonist walking like a blur kinda like Joel did from the E3 2016 trailer of TLOU2, and he'll be walking & it will have transitions like the show called Banshee to what the main protagonist is doing.
to summarise the point of this character, he's one of the big top dogs of the Hunter group that evolved overtime since David's demise (although at the start, you wouldn't know that he was nor you knowing the existence of the group unless there's slight hints within the transitions for the intro of the game via a st_p club, but there wouldn't be any dialogue & it will just be the music going at it with an exception for the sound effects being produced with the song), where the main & essentially what the introduction establishes is the main protagonist setting out what he's set out to do for the Hunter group although the audience wouldn't know the exact or direct intentions of what the main protagonist is setting out to do, but the main protagonist will do lots of 'things' such as offing a bunch of ppl at a farm (without the audience directly seeing it from the introduction, but only hinting it) for whatever reason (also, the song that Banshee uses for the introduction of the main protagonist mentions 'offing a number at the farm' so it's a nice touch that the main protagonist corresponds to the nature of the song named 'Fifth of Whiskey') & the main protagonist will just be walking away from the farm with bodies blurred in the background, but this will only happen in transition once the song gets to the part of 'offing a number at the farm' so some of the audience might pick up what's happening even though the introduction is supposed to be suble but direct at the same time.
Overall, the main protagonist will be an allegory (a specific commentary) for the 'Human Essence' of what it means existing as a 'Human' & the nature of being a 'Human' - so that means in short that the game will be a lot more d__raved than the previous TLOU's for that very reason alone & the reason for this is because how TLOU2 ended with the Human Essence overtaking the whole final act of the game, although the entire game was basically like that (even TLOU1) but there's one specific reason as to what it makes it stand out & that is primarily the Rattler's & their point of existence within TLOU itself; the Hunter Group that the Main Protagonist is a part of will have very similar vignette's from one another with the Rattlers.
my interpretation will still include Ellie, but you'll won't play as her until like the middle of the game & the reason for that is because the main protagonist & Ellie will have special roles for each other for the story i just smeared through in my mind, but the story will have specific structuring that of 'Heart of Darkness' & will take inspirations for the much later part of the story through the main protagonist to being undercover for a city that he found along the way (for what reason that may be) & so he'll operate as a Sheriff, which will correspond to the inspirations for the main protagonist being a Sheriff such as The Wolf Among Us & Banshee.
there's a lot more to this, but im intentionally trying to miniscule the details.
Honestly the game has a great plot which is just the reality of the world that Last of Us plays in though one thing I highly disagree is that Neil thinks Part 2 is a great ending and conclusion to Ellies Story. It isnt. Yes its a great conclusion to Ellies and Joels Relationship especially the scene where she kinda forgives him but everything else doesnt have a proper conclusion and I dont mean necessarily the plot with Lev and Abby but rather Ellie. She returns to her home , her gf left her with the kid and she just walks into the wilderness and thats it ? I mean sure we can try to paint the picture but it still isnt a conclusion to me. She just is in a worse place and I dont think we should end it there. The whole thing with the cure f.e. is kinda tossed away bc I dont think that the fireflies in the hospital were the only ones that knew about her. If she is a walking cure she should have kinda a target on her back. The whole premise around that kinda leads to nowhere and Id rather have a decent conclusion to it then this.
i don’t mind the joel mislead from the trailer. it wasn’t a gameplay element that we were made to believe was fake. movie trailers do this all the time to keep the audience guessing or subvert expectations. if it’s a cinematic, i don’t mind them throwing us off track like that. showing off a gameplay element that isn’t in the actual game would bother me more (wall running in cyberpunk)
druckmann needs to go
wait Dina moved back? I never thought that, I just thought she left out on her own. I guess moving back to the town was the easiest explanation.
luke is on drugs.. When Ellie goes back to Jackson after Santa Barbara her and Dina are back together she's just going to the farm to get her stuff. lol
The first scene we see of her going back to the farm is her wrist and she's got and wearing Dina's prayer bracelet on or whatever it's called.
But what she realizes and why she leaves everything at the farm and doesn't take anything back to Jackson with her it's because she realizes that everything that really matters isn't there. Also essentially by leaving everything there she's putting Joel behind her and moving on with her life.
Either you liked it or you didn't. It is what it is. People really need to calm down.
Man lets not act as If we couldn't predict The Last of Us 3's story from a mile away.
Ellie will sacrifice herself in the end to save humanity and Abby will help her at one point in pursuing that goal. Throw in another faction and some few bland side characters in and done.
False marketing at its worst. They deserved shit for this
It was a slight mistake but it's fine, no reason to get your panties in a Twist.
Ive literally yet to hear an intelligent person argue against TLOU2 story being good. Its literallt mental how well its written. It hit me so hard i felt winded.
You’re just surrounding yourself in an echo chamber then. That’s the biggest problem with the world today is most people don’t listen to other viewpoints. Plenty of people that are smart have argued against and explained very well why it’s not good you just haven’t went outside your comfort zone to hear it
For real the game is great , one of the best i've ever played , the only thing for me is pacing but still i was so in the story it didn't took me out , both tlou is a masterpiece
You’re either not looking hard enough, or you’re blatantly ignoring other people’s criticisms.
@@bulldawgslays3724says this while being in your own echo chamber is hilarious. Get out the comment section bro
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
I still think the game is garbage.
If i were to story board the game I would have waited to kill off Joel until the end of the game in an emotionally climactic moment that would have finished his character arc. There was still more story to tell with Joel. They just missed that chance.
Ellie has hope not to end up like tommy
Literally nothing wrong with the mislead. Video games have done this for years it’s nothing new.
True but this was different. Like look at the final fantasy 7 trailer. They only showed cut scenes but the game does not look like that. Was it misleading? Yes but they did show what's actually in the game.
What they showed was not in the game at all
I love how Naughty Dog releases these things where they articulate their decisions and why, making them seem like they make since from a perspective. I wish Rockstar was more vocal and did things like this, I'm very interested in how they would explain a lot of their gameplay and story decisions like how in rdr2 the choice they made to make all the characters ignorant and act so illogically in order for the events of the story to work out. Or why they decided to make a huge sprawling map this time around but, like gta5 (which is excusable since it was a ps3/360 game), they didn't come up with enough content or meaningful objectives that would reward the player in any way in rdr2. I bet they were very surprised with the reception of the game because i assume that in their minds before launch they knew they had something technically impressive but lacking in gameplay and variety for something of that scope
This is the craziest most delusional comment I've ever heard
@@hishkapish4817 started fine, then completely went off the rails
wtf did I just read? anyway I love rdr2 and all all of its missions
One of the most ignorant comments
No you guys are ignorant... see how easy it is to just say that? I notice no one is refuting my claims
I disagree with the misleading part, many trailers do this to hide spoilers. For example In no way homes second trailer they just straight up removed Toby and Andrew from the sandman shot, that doesn’t make it “misleading”. In fact it kills the suspense if Toby was their
That’s because of the leaks lol and it’s a welcome surprise TLOU2 just straight up lies
Everyone and I mean everyone who hates the game act like they deserved better or a story that fits their personal head cannon. Naughty Dog does not care about your input on THEIR stories. It’s THEIR story, not yours.
Brilliant game it would make sense for Ellie to start fire flys with abby
Loved the game. Always amused by the dull and boring complaints thrown at this game as it all seems so manufactured and homogenous. It's like watching AI trying to critique a film.
I don’t know what you read but most complaints and arguments against today are sound and correct. At launch yes there were idiots that didn’t know anything but anybody that loves the first game and the combat/gameplay of the second game saying the story of the second game is bad is correct and not manufactured at all.
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
isnt neil a zionist and the whole game is a whole propaganda where he sees israel as the good guy and stuff
Proof?
What?
Speculation. Neil Drukman is an open zionist but we don’t know if he actually based TLOU is based off IP conflict.
What is wrong with you? Besides that this video has nothing to do with that, that's some weird Hamas propaganda you try to spread. Go cry somewhere else
If you get all your information from 4chan, definitely
Pleasing for the "fans" is cringe. The ending is great