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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2023
- Forgot to mention that self-noise is very low. I had to put my ear within a few inches hear any hiss at all while using these in my office.
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A couple things I failed to mention in this video (my bad):
Self-Noise (aka: hiss):
I sequestered myself into the bathroom (hey, it's quiet there, don't judge me) and powered the speaker up. I had to be within about 1 foot away from the tweeter before I could hear any noise at all. In my office I had to have my ear right next to the tweeter to hear any noise from the speaker over my computer's fan noise. In other words, self-noise isn't an issue with this speaker.
Compared to the KALI LP-6v2:
Roughly the same size.
If you’re in the EU, then it looks like KALI would be about 100 Euro more.
If in the US then the KALI would be about $20 more after you factor in shipping from Thomann and IEC cords.
Going on memory I believe the KALI might be a little bit less linear in the upper midrange and treble area. The KALI is more linear in the midbass/midrange region.
Thomann has smoother directivity. Also had little compression while the KALI’s limiter kicks in at the 102dB @ 1m measurements so about 6dB less dynamic range.
Either are still great speakers.
Which is better swissonic x8 versus Kali audio in 8
What about A305? There is much less info on it. Also there is Swissonic V5 I wonder how this one performs, I would be grateful for letting me know. Thank you for the video!
This speaker is configurable via Sigma Studio and now that we have a CEA2034, the response can be fully corrected. The eight DIP switches on the rear are also connected directly to the ADAU1701's GPIO, which offers 256 potential preset combinations to trigger any desired DSP function (subwoofer crossover, for example). Incredible value for money.
Wow!
Could I also embed room correction with that? Sounds very exciting if true.
@@koo3144 You certainly can; even multiple house curves. Add a PEQ block, tie the bypass to a DIP combination and you have embedded room correction. Many other possibilities such as psychoacoustic bass.
@@WeebLabs That's so awesome. DSP Genelec with similar peformance costs literally 10x more. I see Sigma Studio has an option to import REW data too. What kind of programming device would I need to program the DSP?
How would you connect this, with a onboard header I assume?
2:05 Thomann does free shipping to most European countries (I didn't check all), for orders above 100€ or 200€, depending on the country.
Amazing, I hope that Thomann will take this review as encouragement to send you more speakers from their line up to test.
By the way frequency range in their description exactly matches measured F3, big thumbs up for that.
Who you callin’ a dip switch! 😂 great review!
Your face is a dip switch!!!
Wow. Its for sure a good time to be a music-lover in the EU,, 👍😎👍
Thank you kindly Erin and Thomann,, ❣🙏❣
£244 inc VAT for a pair with free shipping in the UK. That’s incredible value with the performance on offer.
Add a Wiim Pro or Pro+ and a couple of cables and you’re done. For many that would be end game performance for under £450.
Great review as always Erin.
Big thanks for fantastic review! Keep up the great work. Greetings from Sweden.
Thanks!
Encouraged by this review, went ahead and ordered them from Thomann here in Germany. Got them last Tuesday. Replacing my good “old" Edifier R1280Ts on my computer desk (have Wharfedale Lintons as main speakers). They’re pretty nice and neutral. -2 dB adjustment on treble good advise from Erin. Using them as monitors for playing piano through laptop and M-Audio 192 audio interface (balanced to XLR). Pianos are difficult to get right, as they usually hit a number of resonant frequencies on speakers/room modes. These are generally quite neutral but sound slightly “harsher" than the mid-fi Edifiers and in my setup have some pretty strong resonances playing E5 and A5 notes (directly compared them to the Edifiers at the same positions on my desk, just to rule out boundary resonances), which I needed to equalise to get to sound “palatable". They image of course way better than the Edifiers (which have almost 0 imaging properties), which is a nice pro. Other awkward issue is a loud popping sound they make (in my case, just the left channel speaker) when “switched” off using smart plugs. Did a lot of experimenting here; only solution I found is to simply let them permanently plugged, as they turn off automatically on no input after around 10 minutes (don’t quote me on that), power LEDs going red; this way speaker doesn’t “pop” every 90 seconds. Interestingly, Thomann has pulled the A306s and bundles out of their assortment. Not sure if the amplifier’s power supply (caps charging and discharging) has played a role here… Just my 2 cents. Anyway, good find! @ Erin: thanks! Really enjoy your reviews and videos!
Yea, someone else mentioned that they saw they're out of stock. Not sure why. I don't really have any insight into what goes on... I just get the gear and test it. But I'm glad to hear that you like them as an improvement over your existing setup. :)
Eric smart. Releases these right before my lunch break! Love the content sir
Insane value! I will recommend these to people in the future.
Outstanding review as always.
I appreciate that
Great review as always and thanks for reviewing a european product! Its always nice to see a good speaker that is also easily accessible for us living in Europe.
I checked the prices on thomann's web store and it surprised me that the A306 and A308 (8 inch version) are currently priced the same. I wonder if the A308 is just as good while offering a bit more output due to the larger woofer.
Great review. Looks like a very good speaker, especially for the price.
Wow, thank you so much! I hope you can measure more of these at some point. They have interesting-looking AMT versions and quite affordable three-way I'm looking into.
Nice looking results.
Thanks for the review!! Hope you review more Thomann speakers! The DO have a plethora of alternatives, from smaller studio monitors to 3way active speakers, and all of them have a VERY competitive price!
the Swissonix x8 3 way speakers look promising...
@@sleepwait9613 Just bought those during black friday at 396 euro for the set, they do not disappoint for the money and i wish Erin couldve tested those aswell since i cant, just see how theyre measurements come out.
My room is stupid enormous, i cant fix acoustics so for me there's a nearfield setup with a 1,5m triangle where their spectrum sounds the fullest in range and there is a slight hiss on the mid driver, it just isnt a problem at the distance im at.
I wouldnt buy Kali in8, KRK rp10-3 if you're looking for a good 3 way nearfield, and by good i mean that my reference is KH310. Anything below KH310 is just money not spend on something really good and useful, but i took 400 euro gamble because active.... 3 way... rotatable mid/tweeter frame... yeah .. no brainer there.
Great review!
Nice review! Exciting to see if the A305 and A308 are as good/even better :~)
And their V series, for example Swissonic V5 is 99€. V7 is 139€, V8 is 159€, though the A308 costs the same as the A306 which is 139€. Would be reeealy nice to test their full lineup. :)
@@olymind1 Did you found out about them?
@@MadaCrow I don't own any of them, i just read about them at ASR from some owners, but sadly they were not tested with Klippel's NFS.
Hey Man,
Seems like a very, very competitive offering, especially for EU buyers. Can't really see any flaws here, even the compression and THD are more than OK. Honestly, I used to look down at these monitors : Not a name in the industry, probably no experience or background designing speakers, confidential distribution, branded by an online store... Many things could have gone wrong here. But I stand corrected ! Reliability aside (I do not have any feedback about it), this seems to be some really great budget monitors ! Can't wait to see the A308 measured... 😉
I really hope Thomann sends the A308 too
@@spiroszaharakis2648 I just realised that they did not. 🤦
They did not but they may do so in the future, especially after they see how good this review turned out. I hope they will send both the A308 and the X8 models shortly. If they are good, their sales will skyrocket.@@vintageflanker7096
The A308 is £1 less than the A306! Amazing!
However I’m almost certain that the A308 won’t measure as well as the A306 because the 8” woofer will be beaming too much before the tweeter takes over. Could be a very good party speaker though.
Mad value these things!
You are most likely right as the 308 crosses quite high at 2600Hz which is too high for an 8" My gratest hope for a great speaker with a large woofer is the 3way, X8 from Swissonic. @@mattholland315
Great review! Wonder if A305 will have such great measurments and feelings aswell? For very small room (less than 9 m2) and nearfield (less than 0,8m) listening 5,25 inch woofer should be enough, while 6,5 inch can be overkill?
Wow, nice. Considering I'm from Poland and shipping is probably going to be free..I'm thinking about pulling a trigger.
When I saw the Thomann Swissonic, my first thought was "is this a Kali LP6 V2 built in licence by Thomann?" :)
Thomann has a pretty good reputation in Europe as a big, trusted (web)store for pro audio gear and music instruments, ánd for its own line of lower priced products as well.
I own a pair of Kali LP6 V2, bought for my pc, because of the positive review by Erin. I'm happy with them, so no regrets here. :)
Same here.
The waveguide is quite different here.
@@ErinsAudioCorner The DIP switches and the design of the control panel looks similar.
@@ErinsAudioCorner
We can see that. ;)
It wouldn't cost very much though, to change one mold. But it was just a brainfart, a first thought. I'm not claiming it's the same thing. But it's similar - they also have a LP8 look alike - and it sure looks like its a good bargain / bang for the buck - in Europe that is.
Thank you for reviewing it. Thomann probably thinks you have many European viewers, or are they aiming at the American market?
@@bmill7353 might be, but Kali is not knocked down at all by this, quite the opposite indeed...
Similar speaker... I got the Kali LP-6 on your recommendation. Excellent near-field listening!
This looks like a cracking good speaker
That is a pretty good deal for anyone who wants to build a Dolby Atmos rig. 7.4.4 system with four Swissonic Sub 10, plus eleven of these speakers would total less than 2700 USD in Europe calculated with the highest VAT of EU countries (Hungary). And this includes free shipping. 5-10% cheaper in other countries.
Now if you add an Audient EVO16 and a Behringer ADA8200 converters, plus a Sonarworks Multichannel correction software with their mic, you and up with 4000 USD. And you’ll have a very very good, time aligned and straight response Dolby Atmos mixing environment. Hard to beat.
Hey erin , before anything a super thank you for your help and quick responses . I wanted to know your opinion when it comes to positioning a 3way monitor that was the option to rotate the TM . I wanted to know what are the pros and cons of having the speaker vertical and horizontal.
Thomann is a great store. Fantastic service, good prices, I've bought a fair bit of stuff from there - acoustic treatment and whatever, they're kind of leaning towards musicians and studios and DJs rather than home users, but plenty of great stuff for home users. I'd probably pay 12€ for shipping around here, that seems to be a common fee for my area. So anyone who's wondering about the store itself - great reliable retailer.
To Finland the service was good at the beginning but then it turned absolutely murderous. It's like as if they are drunk, blaming customers for their own mistakes.
Thanks!
Thank you!
The speaker runs on 100v-240v so you don't have to use the included EU cable (nor buy an adapter) if you're in the US.
It has an IEC-C14 slot but I believe a IEC-C13 fits since they're the same shape and the speaker doesn't draw more than 10A so it's fine. I'd think some folks here might have one or two (IEC-C13 cables) laying around if you're a cable hoarder like me. (Many computer monitors and desktop power supplies use that style of plug)
I like the fact these have built in DSP. I might have to recommend these to my friend. I could program the DSP for him and include a night mode toggle for one of the dip switches.
I was going to say the same thing. I have a box of about 30 IEC power cables of several lengths that I've accumulated over the years of owning all kinds of test, audio and computer equipment. I give away a half dozen cables a year and the box never seems to get empty. 😆
Indeed. I actually did that but was thinking of the A203BT they loaned me which doesn’t have that same plug and I had to use an adapter. I mentioned that a regular IEC cable will work in my written review and in the description of the video here.
@@ErinsAudioCorner🤙🏻
Was looking for your this comment. Because I was thinking the same thing, ✌️
Having seen your annual "Best of" I checked this out. As of today, Dec 28, Thomann no longer carries the A306. Upwards in the range is the A308, at €278 a pair. According to some reviewers this doesn't have the midrange dip of the A306.
Good looking measurements. GuessI would still go with the JBL's for half the price given the close performance.
They use a standard IEC "kettle lead" for power so you wouldn't need any converters if you have some spare kettle leads around.
Alot of people forget some speakers from other countries are tailored for their market
ever thought about the Swissonic-X8 3 Way Speakers?
Hiya Erin,
European Audio Engineer here.
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Thanks,
Tadgh
Please please please more reviews of Thomann products. Many Thomann designed and partnered products are genuinely extremely impressive. I've used their stuff on and off for years. For us here in Ireland the prices are unbeatable even for other brands, and we get free shipping on high value purchases despite being on an island. EU audio engineers are huge Thomann fans - and I'm a big Erin fan 🙌😄 thanks for this review.
Ty; loved the review!
I’m looking for a budget pair of monitors around £200-£300 and am torn between the Kali LP6 v2’s, JBL LSR305/306 mk2 or now these Swissonic A306’s. What would you recommend out of these three options? Also, how do the other Swissonic monitors compare to the A306? Do any of those outperform the A306?
Great experience with Thomann in Europe.. they delivered me Jazz bass to Bucharest and some other stuff last week.. free delivery.. now am looking for studio monitor. is there any top list by budget or something to look at?
Hi Erin, in your review you say you set the switches with +2db on low frequencies, are measurements taken with that setting as well?
No. I settled on that after I had already done the first two rounds of measurements and really didn’t see the benefit to go back and remeasure again.
Hey Erin,
got myself the A306 1-2 weeks ago, but I notice quite a bit of hissing/self-noise. In my office, which isnt the quitest there is, I can hear the hissing from my sitting position (70-80cm) and if I focus, I still am able to pick up the noise from over a meter. The volume-knob is at around 8 o'clock (or after 2 "bumps" of the knob). No matter at what position the knob is, the hiss doesnt really change. Do you have an idea?
That tweeter wave guide sure looks similar to the Meyer Sound monitor ;)
Oh, wait, the whole monitor looks like it.
Well, other people are saying it looks like the KALI and JBL. 🤷♂️
Would these work well as hifi speakers for listening to house and funk music or they would be too directional and unforgiving?
Im considering getting a minidsp and build a 2.2 active system. Do you recon those or the 8's are a good basis for that?
How about the Swissonic X-8 (3-way) monitor from Thomann?
Shouldn't it be compared to Kali LP6v2 in the US? How do they compare in your opinion?
Okay, here goes:
Roughly the same size.
If you’re in the EU, then it looks like KALI would be about 100 Euro more.
The US then the KALI would be about $20 more after you factor in shipping from Thomann and IEC cords.
Going on memory I believe the Callie might be a little bit less linear in the upper midrange and treble area. The KALI is more linear in the midbass/midrange region.
Thomann has smoother directivity. Also had little compression while the KALI’s limiter kicks in at the 102dB @ 1m measurements so about 6dB less dynamic range.
Either are still great speakers.
@@ErinsAudioCorner The A306 is 139€ here (and the A308 Is ALSO 139€, for some reason...). The KALI LP-6 V2 is actually 199€, so 278€/pair VS 398€ for the KALI, which is, by the way, dangerously close to Focal Alpha 65 Evo. So not quite comparable for EU folks.
😎Wow, Erin,
better than I would have expected for $300 or $400 from Thomann or JBL .. Thanks for the video! 👍👨🏻
Erin, curious, sorry if you said this in the past, what are your speakers that you own? That you like to just kick back and listen to when not in review mode?
Since I moved, none. I get so many speakers in to review that I just cycle through what is available.
Hi Erin!
Very nice review. Did you hear any hiss coming from them?
Check the pinned comment. :)
@@ErinsAudioCorner Great piece of info!
Do you also have the measurements with the +2dB bass dip switch enabled? Without it, the low mids dip bothers me some.
Do I understand this correctly, that they are 2 identical speakers, so that both need their own power cable and left and right channel separately? As I don't see any option to connect 2 speakers together from the pictures. Does that also mean, that it might be a bit difficult to balance the volume, if you need to set the volume separately on both speakers (so basically you can only use it as "set it and forget it" volume knob)?
Correct. For volume balance you can play pink noise and center the sound by ear.
I love my 305PMKII's. For $100 - 130 each on sale, they are a steal. The 306s are more, and I never saw them under $200 a pair, but you can get them for $300 a pair on sale.
Dont worry, the 305 are better for reference than the 306/308 if mixing is your thing here.
somewhat good FR and good Off-axis but no word about how detailed the sound is, how fast are its woofers & how about the 3d imaging ?
Lol, you almost had me
No word it the bass has good texture, how chocolatey or creamy the mid range is or how transparent the highs are 😩
Could you request the ribbon tweeter Version? Swissonic also has an active 3 way
Looking just at the exterior and the overall design it looks like they were after Kali lp-6 in this one.
Look at their product line, there's several more copies in there.
Due to shipping cost bringing it up to $380. The Kali LP6 is a better option in my opinion.
Its safe to say that this speaker is in top 3 in perfomance when it comes to linearity and distortion under the 1k budget?
Haha, I always sit in pitch black darkness and listen to music when I get the feeling.
5 hours in a row this saturday just banging all kinds of songs, singing along to some, jusy enjoying the bass in some and so on.
I've done that since I was a teen some 25 years ago. The darkness helps you travel to places. :)
Hey erin , do you know if the A305 or the A308 from swissonic are the same as the 306? In terms of the measurements, frequency response , and dispersion?
It's hard to say for sure. I did review the A305 and the data is on my site if you want to check that. I mean, technically, they can't be the exact same because size of baffle, drivers, etc will all make a difference to some degree. Whether that's significant enough to matter is a different topic. But, I'd hazard a guess that the A308 is probably within family enough to have similar performance.
I'll back you up on the "turn off the lights" hack. Turn down lights, turn up volume = 😊.
MMATS Hifi 4250 car amp powered from 12volt gaming computer power supply
×2 SKAR SDR10d4 (channels 3 & 4)
in 3.5 ft3 l-port enclosure
SKAR FDX10 midrange and Pyramid TW44 compression driver (channels 1 & 2 bridged) in 1.7 ft3 sealed cabinet
crossover for mid/high cab is from Soundstream Reference component set. Cheap, cheap, cheap drivers and really high-quality amp and it gives me chills when listening. It can be heard with detail anywhere in the house.
So if you dont want the adapter just use your own power cord? The back of the speaker looks to use a standard 3 prong socket?
Yessir! That’s what I did.
I wonder if that midrange is naturally compensated for (to some degree) by desk reflections..
i would guess it's to reduce the Distortion at ~200-400Hz.
Also, for the Desk Reflections is a EQ-Switch on the Back already given.
@@plompudu2529 yes most monitors tend to have an eq switch for it ...I just wonder if the desk reflections might end up evening out the tonal Balance..either ways..pair this with a sub and you've got a very decent system..
Hi kindly review swissonic x8 three way monitors they are 180 watts I just love the way you describe ❤❤😊😊
I got the JBL 305P MkII for $99 a piece in Thanksgiving. Cannot beat that for value.
Swissonic V5 is also 99€ (tax included) per piece.
For mixing purposes on a budget, you're right.
I wonder if they would send you the X8? That one looks super interesting and only £250.😮
All of the models would be great to see reviewed.
@@bmill7353 you're not wrong. I was looking at some Adam Audio A8H'S, but the Swissonic X8 would save £2200, and if they measure like these then it's a done deal. Admittedly not so much finer control over DSP, but then £2200 extra for something I may never need is a bit mental. Now if only they did the X8 with the AMT tweeter like on some of their smaller variants. I'm hoping they release a X10 or X12 before I take the plunge.🙏
I placed an order for these, couple days later realized I had ordered only one when I wanted two. Now they are out of stock?? I contacted customer support and after explaining they sent you these to review they basically told me that these are now ‘End of Life’ and you probably just ordered them yourself. 😂 absolute weirdness. Now contemplating getting the A308’s instead.
Yes 100%, lights out makes all the difference!
Thomann has some really good house brands. I'm a drummer and their Zultan line of cymbals are made in Turkey of B20 bronze, just like the "big guys" and the price/performance (sound) ratio is outstanding.
I also saw Thomann say these are “regretfully no longer available”. I emailed them and they have said these have been discontinued. What was the point of them shipping these over to you for review and measure, just to discontinue them?
That's super weird. To be honest, it's kind of frustrating to find this out.
@@ErinsAudioCorner I have also confirmed via email that the A305 and 308 were also discontinued. I saw someone mention they also sent you the A305? Seems like a waste of your time to review a product that isnt being manufactured any more and rather a way to shift inventory (speculation, of course)
yeah, I just uploaded the data to my site but I’m not gonna make a video. I wonder if that is the same situation for the A203BT which I also have for review.
@@ErinsAudioCorner the saga continues. One of the designers of A306 commented this on ASR: "We have several hundred of A305 and A308 in stock, no worries. Until Erin's review it looked like our stock for the A306 would last 2-3 more months, now it was actually 10 days. At the moment our product managers are swamped, so we'll check for another run after NYE. I doubt they'll stay 'discontinued' with the increased sales."
@@officialchill1706 Thanks for the info!
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Im in Germany, so i was interested when i saw the thomann brand show up here, but it seems like they discontinued the A306. Which is weird to me, why would they send you this model if it disapears only weeks later..
They make an A305 and an A308, i guess i will just have to try them myself.
Im still looking for the absolute best bookshelf cost/Performance wise for home theater. These rank pretty high, 1500 for a full 11 channel home cimema is not bad at all, and you dont even need an amp, that saves a bunch too.
No need to buy an adapter - all you need is a standard IEC power cable ; the sort of which is used for computers.
Indeed.
These speakers are not available anymore… anyone here got the a305 or a308? If so, how are they?
Is the A308 review on its way?
I don’t believe so. I haven’t been offered one of those to review.
That sucks. 😢 The A306 is no longer available in Europe.
I bought the A308 and they sound great.@@ErinsAudioCorner
i have ls 50\ls 50 meta wireless and kef r3 and i love the sound from my lsr305+lsr 310 sub i think its say somthing😁
by the way i much prefer the directivity index of the jbl 5 inch vs the 6 and 8"
Argon audio, review that
Already not available anymore on Thomann, i guess there were not that good
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They also make great guitars under their house brand Harley Benton.
Also… the use tonewoods don’t matter in electric guitars.
@thomann send the x8 to erin please
Vs kali lp6 v2 ?
Check my pinned comment. 👍
they got a 3 way monitor for £239
Ireland and UK use different AC plugs, I hate those Euro plugs. I bought an expensive mixing desk with a stupid Euro plug, I asked Thomann for a UK plug, they sent me a 50c adapter, that I'd buy to go on holidays to Spain. For a Mixing Desk, they are having a laugh!! Haven't bought anything from them since.
Euro (schuko) plugs aren't stupid, they're really well engineered on par with the UK plug. You're just being partial to your national standards.
Amazing what good engineering can accomplish!
Conversely, incredibly sad - really, inexcusably poor performance, comparatively, from many other speakers costing an order of magnitude more.
Hmm this review shows that measurements are worth almost nothing, because this implies that they sound like kef reference 1 speakers (if adjusted), which is definately not the case...
No, it doesn't.
@@CC-xu2yzwhy? Should have the same sound signature
Definitely not the case at all.
No the measurements are different to what the KEF Meta 1 measurements are...
Y'all just find ways to be ignorant of stuff all the time