***CORRECTION: When I mentioned the TRD red interior as my fourth point, it turns out the TRD kit I was referring to was merely an exposed carbon add on kit. Turns out the red interior is optional on Japanese spec vehicles, see the reddit post here for more info: www.reddit.com/r/GR86/comments/1049dh4/interior_of_taiwanese_version_gr86/ My apologies if there was any confusion.
We get a standard head unit where as they get a blank to add later on, Japan gets more options in terms of customization from factory like TRD bucket seats in the gen 1
@@Speedster_ELuu86 That’s really cool for them, though it does suck for us in the states. I guess it makes sense though given it’s a Japan-produced car, it’s probably the other way around for American cars sold in foreign markets
I agree the mark ups are terrible in my area. The GR86 had a 7K markup but I ended up with a BRZ allocation for MSRP. And the BRZ comes with the red and black interior so that’s a win too.
Nice! Glad to hear you got it for a good price. Subaru has been much better with MSRP than toyota has, I called up the subaru dealer that my sister got her Legacy from and asked about the BRZ, they told me that not only can you actually custom order a vehicle (toyota doesn't technically take custom orders, the dealers just bounce around vehicles till they get you something that's close enough), they will also sell it at MSRP guaranteed. Honestly if I wasn't so drawn to the Neptune blue and the GR86 front end I'd have just gone with the BRZ. I hope you enjoy yours!
@@bhaliwka1091 Honestly the toyota dealers are probably taking advantage of the fact that there are people that are actually enthusiastic about buying one of their models and squeezing every penny they can. Honestly really disappointing, and to think that toyota corporate never intended for things to go this way
honesty I am glad that toyota understand the market for this car and they are offering a better sounding exhaust from factory, but at the end of the day most people are gonna be swapping the exhaust for something aftermarket regardless of whether the car came with the stock exhaust or the GR performance exhaust. I do wish that toyota just sold all units of this car with that GR performance exhaust as factory, it wouldn't be as cost effective for them but it'd be much better for the consumer at the end of the day
Mine came with the GR exhaust option from the factory, it was on the window sticker. I’m mixed on it, it some times drones Highway and I drive long distances with it sometimes. But on the track it’s perfect as it gives just enough feed back to hear through the helmet. I had the internal audio turned off before I took delivery. I also paid $750 Below MSRP in January 2023.
@@jrfish007 Good to hear the GR exhaust is pretty good. I've heard from a bunch of other people that drone on the highway is pretty standard, even with the stock exhaust. I'm planning to disable the active sound control as soon as I get an exhaust installed. Glad to hear prices are going down. I know back when I was looking there were absolutely dealers that would sell the car at MSRP, but they were quoting wait times upwards of 12 months. This was back in July 2022, looks like their estimations weren't too accurate lol.
Good points. My son owns a 2023 base model that he bought for about $30,000. His trade (VW GTI) brought $15,000, so he did OK. His first tweak of his GR86 will be a cat-back system to address that weak exhaust note. As for dealer mark-ups, it has reached pandemic levels. For example, Ford had to step on their dealers pretty hard in order to stop them. Dealer greed, combined with a willingness by some buyers to pay any price to be early owners, has seriously hurt the process of buying a car.
Glad to hear your son got a GR86! I hope he's enjoying it. I agree, a cat-back system is much needed for this car. The main exahust pipe isn't much of an issue sound-wise, but the muffler is absolutely massive and drowns out the boxer noises. I couldn't agree with you more as far as pricing for this car, too often do I see some listed online for way too much over sticker price, it's a shame for sure.
Just an an unequal length header to the stock exhaust if you want a little more sound. That will also give you that boxer rumble. Obviously you know the bulbs can be changed out super cheap and easy. I'm pretty sure your wipers are just worn out already. You'll be changing wipers pretty frequently and of course Rain-X helps like you said. Black is all anyone needs on an interior, nuff said 😄 and for sure, mark-ups are straight up evil. Dealerships who add BS fees and mark-ups deserve to go out of business and go totally broke.
Yeah no all the things I mentioned in this video are really easy fixes, they're just things that could have come from factory on the car and are minor inconveniences at the end of the day. I still take this car out every day that I can, and I absolutely love every minute driving it. And as far as the dealers are concerned, screw them 😂.
@@relatablerides yeah once I got started on the points I just wanted to hit all or most of them 😄 and the truth is I wish I only had an UEL header on my BRZ. It has a Borla Type S which sounds great but it came on the car when I bought it and if I had it to do from scratch I would go a different way. I drive mine every chance I get too
@@JasonYergin You’re not alone there, I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that I’m gonna do a mod at some point that I think is perfect for the car and take it off later down the line in favor of something else. I will say tho it is nice to start from scratch on a factory car so you know exactly what it started off like, and what each mod did
Got the GR factory exhaust, it’s great around town and on the track (I had fake audio turned off on delivery). On the highway, it drones between 60-70 mph, once I get to 80 mph it’s quite. But low speed highway is annoying enough I put noise canceling air pods in.
Apparently drone is a pretty common thing on these cars. I'm personally gonna be getting an aftermarket exhaust that focuses on producing a good noise without drone. Gonna be looking more into it as the weather gets warmer and I save up some more cash lol, hoping to make a purchase by the summer.
I had a crazy experience looking for one due to the mark up, I went to so many dealers and not only in my state but others. The craziest one was when at 7:00 AM a call woke me up and when I picked it all sleepy, there was a lady on the phone and she said she worked for a dealer which I forgot the name of it, she said: Oh hey I see that you where looking for a GR86, we have one in transit would you like to reserve it, and the first thing I asked was, Does it have a mark up? She said yes which I totally expected but she said, Oh yea is $34,000 and so I said, oh that's not that bad for a premium model, so the total price is $34,000 with the mark up then? GET READY, guess what she said. Oh no, THAT IS the mark up. The only thing that came to mind was, you kidding me right? You trying to sell a $31,000 car for $65,000. She said with a low and proud voice, oh yea because they are hard to come by. I hanged up. I really wish I was lying.
Hey man. Another European here from Spain. I just ordered mine but they won't be coming for something like a whole year (late 2023). The whole production run here has been sold out in like two months and they really make you feel that it's a privilege to have been able to order one. A bit crazy for a car that seems to shout "Keep it cheap!!" al the time. But hey, it is what it is. We have it her too, but I think in general the markup thing in the US is much worse. It sucks.
Yeah the markups here in the states is really rough. When I went to get my car I didn't know it was a '23 model year (I got it in September). When I asked the sales rep about it he told me that toyota had already sold out all their 2022 model year cars, so they started shipping out the '23 M.Y. already. I actually spoke to a subaru sales representative before getting my GR86 and they also confirmed subaru sold out of '22 M.Y. cars, and if I were to place an order it would arrive in about 6 months as a 2023 model.
You nade the most logical critic , ive ever heard from GR86.BRZ owners, and you paid 30k for this car, can you imagine here in Greece how this thing costs? 53k non premium version. OFC i like this car but to afford it ,is like to buy for american standarts BMW M2. Contuniue your good job mate
I appreciate it, glad you liked the video! I agree, at that price point it's not worth it to get this car. It does have a lot of good attributes in the performance department but it simply doesn't deliver any form of luxury or creature comforts you'd expect from a car at that price point.
Manuals are much sought after due to social media marketing. I bet there’s many first time manual buyers for this model since social media praises a manaul over an auto. Hence 10k above and some dealers slap adm on manual and not auto or you can order auto but not manual since waiting list is so much greater
Yeah the demand for the manual is definitely strong on this model, but honestly that just gives dealers an excuse to mark up a car that isn't meant to be expensive. At the end of the day paying more for the "standard" transmission defeats the whole purpose. My vehicle is an auto, I preferred that transmission as I'm primarily using this as my fun daily driver in a decent chunk of traffic, and I paid 1k over sticker. I happened to luck out actually wanting the less sought after transmission. To think that my exact spec with a manual would easily sell for 5k over sticker is wild.
It’s just supply and demand. Few dealers I reached out to are all msrp dealers and because demand is much higher for a manual model there’s a lot more people on the waiting list thus they are not taking anymore on the list. He asked if I wanted an auto because it can be allocated much faster. Btw I live in nyc/Manhattan and the traffic is everyday and dealer markups are highest in the nation. I drive manual as a daily and drove 4 hours for my gr86
@@fantasyfan9320 Glad you got them to pull the price down. You should have seen how much I had to haggle with the salesperson, I walked out on them more than once before they finally went down to 1k over. I'm still hopeful that in the coming months dealers are gonna stop selling these cars over sticker.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. All enthusiast cars are being sold for crazy prices because of social media. All the mf cringe ass sad boiz on tik tok, buying all the 86s and clambering them to hell. That's just an example.
Simply do not buy for the included markup you younger guys have to be patient. I'm a senior citizen and own a 2017 gt86 with many trd upgraded. The handling is great. Remember do not buy if the markup is exorbitant. This is nt a 1969 Selby mustang.
I agree, while this car is nice it's not special enough to warrant paying an artificial premium for it. At MSRP or below this car makes sense, at any price higher than that it really doesn't.
The exhaust does suck, but you can mod it. Should have been a bit more aggressive for stock though. LED bulbs do not scatter light very well, I'd prefer incandescent lights for interior of a car. Can replacing the wiper blades improve them? I actually opted for the black interior (have option for red in AUS). Also no markups in AUS.. Seems to be USA thing.
Yep, I'm saving up to get an exhaust hopefully by the summer time. If you get the right type of LED bulb it can scatter light just as well as the incandescants, it comes down more so to the housing itself rather than the bulb that's in it. After I applied the hydrophobic product to the windshield the wipers have actually been doing a really good job. Still a bit odd that it doesn't work super well from factory but that fix seems to be getting the job done for me. For the interior color I'd say that red would only work well with a handful of exterior colors, neptune blue not being one of them 😅. Which exterior color did you get? But yeah as far as markups it seems to be a dealer thing here. It seems like toyota dealers finally have people passionate about buying cars, and they're taking advantage of it lol.
It's absolutely expensive when you consider the total amount of "stuff" you get for the price. The only reason they can charge that much and people will still buy is because there's very few cars in this specific class that offer this level of handling for that price.
I paid for the upgraded bulbs and I already bought an exhaust and my car isn't even delivered yet lmao I'm glad those are the things that annoy you and not something I didn't think of
To each their own of course, something that I didn't even consider an annoyance could be something much more important to you. Glad you found the video helpful though, I appreciate you watching it. This is one hell of a car, and I'm sure you'll enjoy yours when it comes in. Let me know what it's like!
That's a great car, and in some ways better than the GR86. I've found myself somewhat frequently wishing the GR86 had a sunroof that I could crack open for some airflow, but alas the double bubble roof doesn't let that happen. The miata takes the biggest weakness of the GR86 and makes it its strong point, both in the standard model and the RF.
I have a BRZ coming in a couple weeks and one of the first things I’m doing is disconnecting that awful fake sound. I also have an awe track exhaust for it and it may be too loud but if it is I’ll just get the piece that has mufflers and that should be fine.
That's great to hear! Yep, I'd also get an exhaust if I had the funds for it, this car basically takes all my income every month lol. I've heard good things about the AWE exhausts with this engine, though I'm currently looking at valved options as well. Regardless, I'll do an install video once I get an exhaust for sure.
@@relatablerides I would like a valved exhaust or a way to add a valve to my exhaust. A friend of mine has an Elantra N and it comes with a valved exhaust. It would be nice to have something like that.
@@briantroxell7874 I absolutely agree. Valved exhausts are starting to become a staple in the performance car segment, and having that option on an aftermarket exhaust for the GR86 would be great. Honeslty I couldn't tell you how many people tell me about how great the Elantra N is, I think it's because that and the GR86 are in the same price bracket (though they're not really competitors, one is a FWD compact sedan and one a 2 door RWD sports coupe). The stock pops and crackles from the Elantra N is honestly insane, and I wish toyota/subaru did a better job on the stock exhaust for this car.
They really aren't great. Honestly it could also be due to the steep angle of the windshield as compared to most other consumer cars, though that's still not much of an excuse for toyota/subaru.
@@relatablerides there are also small issues like the head unit crapping out every so often but you can’t really complain considering it’s a “$30k” Car
so there's no auto unlock like most cars where if you pull the door handle when the door is locked it will both unlock and open the door. If the door is locked and you pull the handle, nothing happens. Door won't unlock or open. This isn't really an issue in daily use because the doors never auto lock to begin with. In most other Toyotas the doors will automatically lock when you shift out of park or drive above ~12mph, but in this car there's no option for that. They stay unlocked, so when you go to pull the handle the door is already unlocked anyway.
Haha the interior bulbs totally annoy me about my 2019 Altima. Like the car has LED headlights, but incandescent lane monitoring bulbs in the A-pillars. They're probably the difference between 2 cents and 3 cents??? Why couldn't they just throw red LED in there ?
Unfortunately I’d wager on the grand scale that a car like the Altima is produced it’d save them massive amounts of money overall. It just sucks as the consumer because you end up either having to live with the older style of bulb or change them out on your own dime.
Yea, I wouldn’t have kept my 86 either if I didn’t like it. The black tips are worth it. Only complaint is they should give the automatic ones an option for deleting the two cup holders.
Yeah no, I hope I made it clear by the end of the video that I do really like this car. Everything I mentioned was just a minor gripe rather than a heavy swaying factor towards not getting it. The black tip exhaust does absolutely make the car look much better, especially with the stock tips being weirdly shaped and super sucked into the rear diffuser. I'm actually really interested though, you're the first person I heard that wants the option to remove the extra cup holder in the auto. I'd love to know why.
@Niel Patel Oh I see, so you'd rather have had toyota drop the center console cup holder entirely in favor of making the center console storage compartment bigger (corrent me if I'm wrong). I also find myself throwing my drinks in the cup holder in the door card, mainly because it's got a larger diameter than the center cup holder. I've almost always got my coffee in a travel mug, and it only actually fits in the door card cup holder. I will say though when I'm messing with my phone at a traffic light or fiddling with my wallet it's nice to have that open area to quickly throw whatever is in my hands when I have to start driving again. I know on the first gen they had the massive center storage with the removable cup holders, but honestly the only thing I miss is the cigarette lighter style outlet they removed from there
Thanks, I'm loving every minute in the driver's seat. I hope that price comes down in the coming months and you can get yourself one of these new gen 86's.
I agree, you've got a point. I was mentioning in the video that it's odd how the lowest entry cost vehicle (aka the cheapest vehicle for toyota/subaru to manufacturer) is selling for more than a premium auto, and even approaching 4 cyl supra territory. You'd also figure that dealers that don't quite understand what car enthusiasts want would be pricing the auto transmission higher than the manual, though I suppose that's not the case. Regardless, as a person who was looking for an auto it worked out pretty well for me lol.
GR86 is a nice-looking car and that is where it ends for me. Dealer Markups or the things that dealers do are B.S., anything for a larger profit over their invoice. On an MSRP $30K car, the dealer may have paid $25K. Note: Buyer always pays S&H Delivery fee. Vehicles are mostly allocated so there are fewer vehicles on the dealer's lot in the last 5 to 8 years. Dealers at times have price reductions or incentives or promotions such as cheap LED TVs or laptops for buying a certain vehicle. Depending on the location and size of the dealership, there are overhead costs of ownership just to stay in business. They won't stay in business if unable to make let's say $2k from each vehicle they sell. Do not expect a fair deal on your Trade-in. If you paid $40K 3 years ago and have 30K miles, you might get 60 to 70 percent of its value $24K to $28K, whereas selling it privately gets you $29K to $33K. The dealer needs to make a profit and besides they have no idea how soon they can resell it, plus the cost of any repairs.
That's all absolutely facts. You articulated it very well too. The GR86 is definitely worth it as an entry level sports car, when all you're paying is the MSRP plus destination. Anything more than that and it's just unwise financially and not worth it for what you're getting.
To each their own, I can definitely appreciate the simplicity that comes with a black interior but I'd personally like a splash of color to mix things up a little 😁
Everything you mentioned really isn't things that cost much. I agree that the interior needs to have some color choices. The car needs to sound like it looks. Folks call it affordable, however for the size engine, aluminum body, cheap interior the car really should cost in the low 20 grand. It's a shame. I left the Mustang world, in favor of this car. Wanted a change. After owning the GR 86 now for 5 months and 4,000 miles on it, I just find the level of quietness to be ridiculous. I'm just changing up to an axel back exhaust to get some sound our the back. As far as the cabin goes, I just have base cloth. It's livable, but it needs some bit of color. I'm contemplating going with a leather install company and changing it out. My big complaint about this car is quickness. The 0 to 60 in 6 seconds is ridiculous for a car this light. The goal for this car should have been at least 275 hp. Get that 0 to 6 time down to at least 5 .2 seconds. The car looks great, handles great, with more quickness for be a real competitor out there, more well rounded.
I can't argue with any of your points. Honestly I feel like the reason toyota/subaru are pricing this car the way that they are (assuming no dealer markups) is because of the low production numbers. They wouldn't be able to warrant the high production cost and factory line space for a vehicle that isn't gonna sell as well as a RAV4 for example, so to make up for that they have to increase the price. I do agree with you on the realistic price of a car like this, it should be about 20k. As far as the quietness of the exhaust, I don't think I properly illustrated my dislike for it in my video. I made it my first point because it's by far the most annoying part of this otherwise great vehicle. If you watch the segment of this video (ua-cam.com/video/BFBeL-Em9MU/v-deo.html) where 86speed installs the AWE Touring exhaust, I honeslty think that toyota/subaru should have give us an exhaust that at least sounds remotely similar to this one from factory. I'm personally looking to buy the Touring edition with black painted tips once I save up enough money for it. That coupled with disabling the active sound control module will bring this car to life. I can see your point about the 0-60 time, it's definitely not as good as it should be but that was never inherently the goal of this car. If you wanted a faster 0-60 you'd get a supra. If instead you wanted a car that was fun to drive, well balanced and handled as well as a porsche then you'd get the GR86. I personally never felt like the car was lacking in speed from a launch, but I suppose coming from a mustang that weighs more yet is still faster would be a different story. In any case, this is meant to be a tuner's car. Once companies start coming out with supercharger kits and turbo kits for this car we're gonna start to see numbers well north of 300hp on E85. We're already seeing GR86's with only headers and an exhaust being tuned to make 20-25 horsepower over stock, and those numbers are only gonna go up with more aftermarket components.
Please point out to us any brand/model for a new car with rwd that cost low $20k. Not to mention a car that weights 2800lb and a manual option. You would argue 2022 base 4 cylinder mustang has a stronger motor but it weights 3500lb, 800lb difference. Not to mention newly changed base mustang would cost 35k starting
@@shredblue8536 All the parts and materials that went into making this car feels like they put money in where it matters (touch points like the steering wheel, infotainment/climate control, shifter, etc) and saved money elsewhere. All in all though it does give me low 20k vibes. At the end of the day like I said in the other comment they have to price it a little higher from factory just because it's such a low volume vehicle that they have to price it as such for it to be financially viable. Consider it an enthusiast tax.
@@relatablerides you’re right and I don’t mind the budget feel of the car , putting the materials in the function , it’s cool and retro , but that price point even with the empathy of the enthusiast is just not worth it.
I did, I actually spent a good chunk of time deciding if I wanted to get the GR86 or the Miata (the BRZ was a write off for me, I never loved how the front end looked vs. the GR86). At the end of the day I opted for the second gen 86 after seeing how much they improved the technology (and of course the torque dip) and how ridiculous the prices for the first gen models were. I remember seeing a 2013 first gen 86 with like 65k miles going for a little under 30k (and most other listings were between 25-30k for similar years/mileage), and I couldn't justify spending that much on such a heavily modified car when the new one is supposed to be 30k MSRP. I also considered looking at more powerful coupes like the mustang/camaro, the 350/370Z and a few BMW and Audi coupes, but at the end of the day they had a lot more features than I cared for, weighed too much, and were far too powerful for everyday fun on my commute. What models did you have in mind as a good alternative to the GR86?
@@relatablerides Primarily a Mazda3 Premium Hatchback with the manual but pricing is not favorable for anything right now. I think I would rather stick with naturally aspirated engines but will consider a turbo assisted motor. I have never owned a turbo and I have been keeping most of my new car purchases for at least 10 years. Supply is too low on manual transmissions. My other alternatives of particular interest, depending on the buy price of course, Acura Integra A-Spec, Civic SI, and the Hyundai Elantra N. I thought about the Mustang GT or Challenger R/T but I think I am too spoiled to better fuel mileage and reliability of the foreign manufacturers mentioned. The Acura is more than what I want to pay but would give me lots more room and storage for vacations, but it is supposed to be better than the Civic SI and to me it looks much better, I just don't want to pay their price. I really like the somewhat odd appearance of the Elantra N because it is distinctive like the Mazda3 and the BRZ/GR86. Anything I buy will have to come with a manual transmission. I still love driving my 2006 Mazda3 sedan with a manual and I will continue to shop waiting on prices to fall back in line. I realize that may be a little while but right now I am being patient.
I wouldn't personally consider the new mazda3 premium hatchback as a good competitor to the gr86, as they're fundamentally different cars. One is a two door, four seater front engine rwd sports car while the other is a fwd (or awd) four door five seater hatchback with decent handling but an otherwise lackluster driving experience. I hate using this term because it's somewhat insulting to non-sports cars, but it's "normal traffic". I don't mind the styling at all, but I wouldn't put them up against each other, as the only thing they share is the price point. Same kinda thing generally goes for the acura, civic and elantra, as they're all fwd sedans. Again, the only thing they share with the gr86 is the price point. Not to say they're bad cars or they wouldn't be good for specific use case scenarios, just for the sake of comparing apples to apples throwing those cars against the gr86 doesn't compute for me. I agree on the elantra N though, it does look pretty interesting. In an alternate universe I definitely would have gotten an elantra N, especially with that exhaust note. NA engines are good, but you always gotta push them to their limit to get all the power. Turbo cars make the power delivery much more natural and effortless, every time I go from the gr86 to my parent's alfa romeo giulia with a 2.0l turbo 4 I realize just how much difference having a turbo can make. I'm seriously considering either a supercharger or a turbo for the gr86 in the coming years, after I've gotten fully comfortable with the chassis and how it handles. I think the extra power will do wonders with the balanced chassis. sorry it took so long to respond, I'm still trying to figure out how youtube comments get organized with new comments vs. replies vs. mentions, etc. I appreciate your patience!
So it comes with a tire repair kit from factory, but it’s got room under the carpeted trunk for a spare. I’ve heard on the forums people buy spare tires for the last gen cars on eBay or Facebook marketplace and it mounts in the back of the new gen perfectly.
So you were able to afford this while going to school?! Ok so could I get your input on something. I have about 5 grand saved up for this car and I'm working full time at the moment but in 2 months I return back to school full time. I really really want this car badly but do you think I'd be smart of me to just get it.
So yeah I am able to afford this while going to school, but just barely 😅. I'm lucky enough to have gotten a full ride scholarship to my uni, so I don't have any loans at all and my parents are very supportive on the other fronts (housing, food, etc.). I was also able to put down roughly 13k, which made the monthly payments manageable given my working situation (but again, just barely. Basically, 90% of my paycheck every month goes towards this car through capital, insurance and gas. That's fine for my situation given the aforementioned scholarship and supportive parents). At the end of the day I can't tell you whether or not it makes sense to get this car without knowing your whole financial situation, but I can tell you that it is a car worth getting if you can afford it. For the value there's not much else you can get brand new that ticks as many boxes as this car does.
@relatable rides hey so I wanted to give some time to pass and I now have 10 grand saved up for a down payment on the car. My mom is actually really supportive and she's told me she's willing to help me out (food, housing, clothes etc) if she needs too as long as I stay in school ( which I am ) but I don't really like the amount of gas my old beat up 4runner wastes just to drive to work. Long story short on the 4runner, my dad passed away and I was left with it. I couldn't ever get ride of it.. for sentimental reasons. I just don't like it cause it's not for me personally. However, if you don't mind, how'd you finance the remaining amount for the car? Did you go through a bank or through the dealership? I'm getting real close to ordering mines and just want to get an idea of someone who's already done it. I'm so sorry about this being so long but if you see this.. much appreciated!!!
@@richard9799 Glad to hear you're making progress! So as far as my financing went, I had my dad officially purchase the car under his name so he could get a good interest rate (as you know interest rates right now are terrible), he was able to land 4.25% through his own bank with his excellent credit. I wanted to see if the bank would approve me for the loan, but I didn't get approved given the loan amount and my current income. Long story short, my dad took out the loan in his name to get me a good interest rate, and I'm paying off the car with what I make. Also, fuel-wise the GR86 isn't too bad at all. I'm averaging 21mpg with mostly city, some highway driving and I refuel about twice a month at ~$38 each time, and I drive roughly 400ish miles a month. Did you get final pricing on a specific vehicle through a dealership yet? More than likely the online prices you see listed aren't gonna be anywhere near what you'll end up paying (taxes, fees, dealer accessories, etc).
@Relatable Rides Thanks. I've been really motivated by our little conversations that I've been wanting to give it time before I reply back. So at the moment now I have 13k saved. A toyota dealership has the exact car trim and color I want. It's being sold for 35k. However, I plan on doing the same, using my mom's name on the car so she can land me better interest rates and a better insurance cost as well. However, my question to you is, what company did you and your dad use for the loan? And what was the term ( 60 or 72 month )? Only If you don't mind answering.
@@richard9799 So we used Capital One just because my dad has the longest standing history with them, and most of his credit cards were issued through Capital One. He was able to land 4.25% at the time were the lowest rates were hovering around ~6-7%. He's planning on refinancing it once the rates go down again. We've got it on a 60 month plan right now, but when we refinance he's planning on shortening the term. I will tell you though, 35k might not be the price you end up paying. Is that the window sticker price or the online price or the out-the-door price? Usually they increase in that order, with the window sticker being the lowest and the out-the-door price being the highest. If youHe's planning on refinancing it once the rates go down again. If 35k is the online price expect to actually pay closer to 40-42k depending on tax rates and dealer fees (title, registration, whatever other stuff the dealer tacks on there). If 35k is your out-the-door price, you're in a really good place. You won't be financing a massive amount, and if you cosign with your mom you can even improve your credit score. Hope this helps. Let me know if you've got any more questions and what you end up doing!
It feels like I did lol. My sister has a 2015 Legacy that I used to drive around quite a bit, and after getting the GR86 I noticed that so much of the interior switchgear/technology is pulled right out of Subaru's parts bin. Still like the design of the GR86 just a smidge more, and I don't regret getting it.
@@relatablerides I was just ribbing you man. I swapped out stock exaust for a Corsa cat-back specifically because it claimed no drone. Twas true! Congrats on the ride; you'll get it sorted out eventually.
@@Rocket5150 It's hard to tell in the comments section lol 😅. I'll look into the corsa exhaust, for me right now getting an exhaust is pretty far down the line until I can start saving a good chunk of cash. Thanks for taking the time to comment though! I really appreciate it
The price of this car in Portugal it’s just ridiculous, but it’s not because of markups. The problem it’s the super high taxes that we have on new cars. We are honestly one of the worst countries if you want to have a nice car.
@@JoaoBorgesSr Yeah no I'm really sorry to hear that. It sucks that you can't get to enjoy cars like these without paying an arm and a leg. At least the used market is good(?)
@@relatablerides Unfortunately the used market is also very high. The German used car market is normally the lowest in Europe and when we compare the Portuguese used car market with the German one, our cars are always 10k more expensive. Thats why a lot of the dealerships here in Portugal buy the cars in Germany and sell them here with a profit.
@@relatablerides One car that always me laugh its the Toyota Supra with the 4 cylinder engine 2.0 Turbo. The price of that car in Portugal starts at 69k, its unbelievable ahah. Who is the crazy guy who will buy a Supra with 258hp for more than 70k with some options? What a joke!
I'm trying to play the UA-cam algorithm for views, if I title the video "5 things I midly dislike" not nearly as many people would click on it. I know it's somewhat deceptive but such are the ways of the UA-cam algorithm. I'm sorry if I deceived you with the title.
I don’t really know how to tell people this , but they use the name of the car to rape you with a prehistoric interior. This was made with profit in mind sadly. I don’t see where 34k comes from at all honestly especially when you can get a GLI for the same price. Few sensors or active safety feature OPTIONS for those who want any of them. This car would be good somewhere at 20k.
That's definitely an interesting way of putting it 😅. I get your point though, but at the same time toyota/subaru aren't well known for having the best interiors in their vehicles. While vehicles like the new tundra and the subaru legacy (two newer models that immediately come to mind) do have very nice looking, upscale interiors the overall design/tech is still rather behind German competitiors. At the end of the day the simplistic interior of the GR86 doesn't feel like it's trash, and you won't really notice much of a difference unless you're constantly switching between this car and a more mainstream, highly optioned model
GLI is not a coupe and is fwd.. The interior is not prehistoric, it's Toyota. If they wanted to charge more they could have, based on current demand for this platform.
@@MrToppramen I agree. Honestly a GLi wouldn't handle as well as this car does even if they did make it a couple. Front engine rear wheel drive is a vibe. The interior is actually more subaru than toyota honestly. I'm pretty sure subaru developed the UI and toyota just reskinned the icons. All the warning chimes and beeps and everything are all subaru for sure, but regardless it's far from prehistoric.
***CORRECTION: When I mentioned the TRD red interior as my fourth point, it turns out the TRD kit I was referring to was merely an exposed carbon add on kit. Turns out the red interior is optional on Japanese spec vehicles, see the reddit post here for more info: www.reddit.com/r/GR86/comments/1049dh4/interior_of_taiwanese_version_gr86/
My apologies if there was any confusion.
Am I the only one that hears turd every time I see TRD.
We get a standard head unit where as they get a blank to add later on, Japan gets more options in terms of customization from factory like TRD bucket seats in the gen 1
@@Speedster_ELuu86 That’s really cool for them, though it does suck for us in the states. I guess it makes sense though given it’s a Japan-produced car, it’s probably the other way around for American cars sold in foreign markets
@@relatablerides the only way you can have a color change is to get custom trim pieces, I have a black/red alcantara shift boot and ebrake boot
I agree the mark ups are terrible in my area. The GR86 had a 7K markup but I ended up with a BRZ allocation for MSRP. And the BRZ comes with the red and black interior so that’s a win too.
Nice! Glad to hear you got it for a good price. Subaru has been much better with MSRP than toyota has, I called up the subaru dealer that my sister got her Legacy from and asked about the BRZ, they told me that not only can you actually custom order a vehicle (toyota doesn't technically take custom orders, the dealers just bounce around vehicles till they get you something that's close enough), they will also sell it at MSRP guaranteed.
Honestly if I wasn't so drawn to the Neptune blue and the GR86 front end I'd have just gone with the BRZ. I hope you enjoy yours!
I did the same thing,picked up a BRZ last week at MSRP
Got brz too, toyota dealership so greedy. Tsk... got mine under msrp. Win
@@bhaliwka1091 Honestly the toyota dealers are probably taking advantage of the fact that there are people that are actually enthusiastic about buying one of their models and squeezing every penny they can.
Honestly really disappointing, and to think that toyota corporate never intended for things to go this way
@relatablerides I know right, but hey, got my brz she's fine.
GR Performance exhaust is actually pretty good option for this car. Most base model buyers gonna mod it anyway with a louder one.
honesty I am glad that toyota understand the market for this car and they are offering a better sounding exhaust from factory, but at the end of the day most people are gonna be swapping the exhaust for something aftermarket regardless of whether the car came with the stock exhaust or the GR performance exhaust. I do wish that toyota just sold all units of this car with that GR performance exhaust as factory, it wouldn't be as cost effective for them but it'd be much better for the consumer at the end of the day
Mine came with the GR exhaust option from the factory, it was on the window sticker. I’m mixed on it, it some times drones Highway and I drive long distances with it sometimes. But on the track it’s perfect as it gives just enough feed back to hear through the helmet. I had the internal audio turned off before I took delivery.
I also paid $750 Below MSRP in January 2023.
@@jrfish007 Good to hear the GR exhaust is pretty good. I've heard from a bunch of other people that drone on the highway is pretty standard, even with the stock exhaust. I'm planning to disable the active sound control as soon as I get an exhaust installed.
Glad to hear prices are going down. I know back when I was looking there were absolutely dealers that would sell the car at MSRP, but they were quoting wait times upwards of 12 months. This was back in July 2022, looks like their estimations weren't too accurate lol.
Good points. My son owns a 2023 base model that he bought for about $30,000. His trade (VW GTI) brought $15,000, so he did OK. His first tweak of his GR86 will be a cat-back system to address that weak exhaust note. As for dealer mark-ups, it has reached pandemic levels. For example, Ford had to step on their dealers pretty hard in order to stop them. Dealer greed, combined with a willingness by some buyers to pay any price to be early owners, has seriously hurt the process of buying a car.
Glad to hear your son got a GR86! I hope he's enjoying it. I agree, a cat-back system is much needed for this car. The main exahust pipe isn't much of an issue sound-wise, but the muffler is absolutely massive and drowns out the boxer noises. I couldn't agree with you more as far as pricing for this car, too often do I see some listed online for way too much over sticker price, it's a shame for sure.
Just an an unequal length header to the stock exhaust if you want a little more sound. That will also give you that boxer rumble. Obviously you know the bulbs can be changed out super cheap and easy. I'm pretty sure your wipers are just worn out already. You'll be changing wipers pretty frequently and of course Rain-X helps like you said. Black is all anyone needs on an interior, nuff said 😄 and for sure, mark-ups are straight up evil. Dealerships who add BS fees and mark-ups deserve to go out of business and go totally broke.
Yeah no all the things I mentioned in this video are really easy fixes, they're just things that could have come from factory on the car and are minor inconveniences at the end of the day. I still take this car out every day that I can, and I absolutely love every minute driving it. And as far as the dealers are concerned, screw them 😂.
@@relatablerides yeah once I got started on the points I just wanted to hit all or most of them 😄 and the truth is I wish I only had an UEL header on my BRZ. It has a Borla Type S which sounds great but it came on the car when I bought it and if I had it to do from scratch I would go a different way. I drive mine every chance I get too
@@JasonYergin You’re not alone there, I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that I’m gonna do a mod at some point that I think is perfect for the car and take it off later down the line in favor of something else. I will say tho it is nice to start from scratch on a factory car so you know exactly what it started off like, and what each mod did
Got the GR factory exhaust, it’s great around town and on the track (I had fake audio turned off on delivery). On the highway, it drones between 60-70 mph, once I get to 80 mph it’s quite. But low speed highway is annoying enough I put noise canceling air pods in.
Apparently drone is a pretty common thing on these cars. I'm personally gonna be getting an aftermarket exhaust that focuses on producing a good noise without drone. Gonna be looking more into it as the weather gets warmer and I save up some more cash lol, hoping to make a purchase by the summer.
@@relatablerides Let us know what you get if you like it.
I had a crazy experience looking for one due to the mark up, I went to so many dealers and not only in my state but others. The craziest one was when at 7:00 AM a call woke me up and when I picked it all sleepy, there was a lady on the phone and she said she worked for a dealer which I forgot the name of it, she said: Oh hey I see that you where looking for a GR86, we have one in transit would you like to reserve it, and the first thing I asked was, Does it have a mark up? She said yes which I totally expected but she said, Oh yea is $34,000 and so I said, oh that's not that bad for a premium model, so the total price is $34,000 with the mark up then? GET READY, guess what she said. Oh no, THAT IS the mark up. The only thing that came to mind was, you kidding me right? You trying to sell a $31,000 car for $65,000. She said with a low and proud voice, oh yea because they are hard to come by. I hanged up. I really wish I was lying.
That's gotta be the worst case I've seen of this kind of thing. 34k markup, 65k total?! You could get a 6 cylinder Supra for less than that!
Hey man. Another European here from Spain. I just ordered mine but they won't be coming for something like a whole year (late 2023). The whole production run here has been sold out in like two months and they really make you feel that it's a privilege to have been able to order one. A bit crazy for a car that seems to shout "Keep it cheap!!" al the time. But hey, it is what it is. We have it her too, but I think in general the markup thing in the US is much worse. It sucks.
Yeah the markups here in the states is really rough. When I went to get my car I didn't know it was a '23 model year (I got it in September). When I asked the sales rep about it he told me that toyota had already sold out all their 2022 model year cars, so they started shipping out the '23 M.Y. already. I actually spoke to a subaru sales representative before getting my GR86 and they also confirmed subaru sold out of '22 M.Y. cars, and if I were to place an order it would arrive in about 6 months as a 2023 model.
You nade the most logical critic , ive ever heard from GR86.BRZ owners, and you paid 30k for this car, can you imagine here in Greece how this thing costs? 53k non premium version. OFC i like this car but to afford it ,is like to buy for american standarts BMW M2. Contuniue your good job mate
I appreciate it, glad you liked the video! I agree, at that price point it's not worth it to get this car. It does have a lot of good attributes in the performance department but it simply doesn't deliver any form of luxury or creature comforts you'd expect from a car at that price point.
Keep it up subbed 💪🏻
Thanks! Will do!
Manuals are much sought after due to social media marketing. I bet there’s many first time manual buyers for this model since social media praises a manaul over an auto. Hence 10k above and some dealers slap adm on manual and not auto or you can order auto but not manual since waiting list is so much greater
Yeah the demand for the manual is definitely strong on this model, but honestly that just gives dealers an excuse to mark up a car that isn't meant to be expensive. At the end of the day paying more for the "standard" transmission defeats the whole purpose. My vehicle is an auto, I preferred that transmission as I'm primarily using this as my fun daily driver in a decent chunk of traffic, and I paid 1k over sticker. I happened to luck out actually wanting the less sought after transmission. To think that my exact spec with a manual would easily sell for 5k over sticker is wild.
It’s just supply and demand. Few dealers I reached out to are all msrp dealers and because demand is much higher for a manual model there’s a lot more people on the waiting list thus they are not taking anymore on the list. He asked if I wanted an auto because it can be allocated much faster. Btw I live in nyc/Manhattan and the traffic is everyday and dealer markups are highest in the nation. I drive manual as a daily and drove 4 hours for my gr86
@@relatablerides i got my manual gr86 1k over sticker, had to haggle like crazy tho
@@fantasyfan9320 Glad you got them to pull the price down. You should have seen how much I had to haggle with the salesperson, I walked out on them more than once before they finally went down to 1k over. I'm still hopeful that in the coming months dealers are gonna stop selling these cars over sticker.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. All enthusiast cars are being sold for crazy prices because of social media. All the mf cringe ass sad boiz on tik tok, buying all the 86s and clambering them to hell. That's just an example.
Simply do not buy for the included markup you younger guys have to be patient. I'm a senior citizen and own a 2017 gt86 with many trd upgraded. The handling is great. Remember do not buy if the markup is exorbitant. This is nt a 1969 Selby mustang.
I agree, while this car is nice it's not special enough to warrant paying an artificial premium for it. At MSRP or below this car makes sense, at any price higher than that it really doesn't.
The exhaust does suck, but you can mod it. Should have been a bit more aggressive for stock though.
LED bulbs do not scatter light very well, I'd prefer incandescent lights for interior of a car.
Can replacing the wiper blades improve them?
I actually opted for the black interior (have option for red in AUS).
Also no markups in AUS.. Seems to be USA thing.
Yep, I'm saving up to get an exhaust hopefully by the summer time. If you get the right type of LED bulb it can scatter light just as well as the incandescants, it comes down more so to the housing itself rather than the bulb that's in it. After I applied the hydrophobic product to the windshield the wipers have actually been doing a really good job. Still a bit odd that it doesn't work super well from factory but that fix seems to be getting the job done for me. For the interior color I'd say that red would only work well with a handful of exterior colors, neptune blue not being one of them 😅. Which exterior color did you get? But yeah as far as markups it seems to be a dealer thing here. It seems like toyota dealers finally have people passionate about buying cars, and they're taking advantage of it lol.
Car is for driving...costs more for manufacturing to have options. Car is already expensive for 2 usable seats.
It's absolutely expensive when you consider the total amount of "stuff" you get for the price. The only reason they can charge that much and people will still buy is because there's very few cars in this specific class that offer this level of handling for that price.
I paid for the upgraded bulbs and I already bought an exhaust and my car isn't even delivered yet lmao I'm glad those are the things that annoy you and not something I didn't think of
To each their own of course, something that I didn't even consider an annoyance could be something much more important to you. Glad you found the video helpful though, I appreciate you watching it. This is one hell of a car, and I'm sure you'll enjoy yours when it comes in. Let me know what it's like!
It’s valuable informations
I enjoyed both videos
Glad you like them!
Got a mazda miata rf gt instead because of the markups despite it being a 37k car vs the 33k gr86 premium 😅
That's a great car, and in some ways better than the GR86. I've found myself somewhat frequently wishing the GR86 had a sunroof that I could crack open for some airflow, but alas the double bubble roof doesn't let that happen. The miata takes the biggest weakness of the GR86 and makes it its strong point, both in the standard model and the RF.
I have a BRZ coming in a couple weeks and one of the first things I’m doing is disconnecting that awful fake sound. I also have an awe track exhaust for it and it may be too loud but if it is I’ll just get the piece that has mufflers and that should be fine.
That's great to hear! Yep, I'd also get an exhaust if I had the funds for it, this car basically takes all my income every month lol. I've heard good things about the AWE exhausts with this engine, though I'm currently looking at valved options as well. Regardless, I'll do an install video once I get an exhaust for sure.
@@relatablerides I would like a valved exhaust or a way to add a valve to my exhaust. A friend of mine has an Elantra N and it comes with a valved exhaust. It would be nice to have something like that.
@@briantroxell7874 I absolutely agree. Valved exhausts are starting to become a staple in the performance car segment, and having that option on an aftermarket exhaust for the GR86 would be great. Honeslty I couldn't tell you how many people tell me about how great the Elantra N is, I think it's because that and the GR86 are in the same price bracket (though they're not really competitors, one is a FWD compact sedan and one a 2 door RWD sports coupe). The stock pops and crackles from the Elantra N is honestly insane, and I wish toyota/subaru did a better job on the stock exhaust for this car.
The windshield wipers are a pain, I use RainX but I have to constantly use the wipers when it's raining heavily
They really aren't great. Honestly it could also be due to the steep angle of the windshield as compared to most other consumer cars, though that's still not much of an excuse for toyota/subaru.
@@relatablerides there are also small issues like the head unit crapping out every so often but you can’t really complain considering it’s a “$30k” Car
I heard you have unlock the car before exiting, there's no Auto Unlock when you open the door from the inside is that true?
so there's no auto unlock like most cars where if you pull the door handle when the door is locked it will both unlock and open the door. If the door is locked and you pull the handle, nothing happens. Door won't unlock or open. This isn't really an issue in daily use because the doors never auto lock to begin with. In most other Toyotas the doors will automatically lock when you shift out of park or drive above ~12mph, but in this car there's no option for that. They stay unlocked, so when you go to pull the handle the door is already unlocked anyway.
Hey what microphone do u use that sounds nice is it connected to your phone or u have a camera ?
I've got my current setup linked in the description. If you buy through those links it supports the channel too!
Haha the interior bulbs totally annoy me about my 2019 Altima. Like the car has LED headlights, but incandescent lane monitoring bulbs in the A-pillars. They're probably the difference between 2 cents and 3 cents??? Why couldn't they just throw red LED in there ?
Unfortunately I’d wager on the grand scale that a car like the Altima is produced it’d save them massive amounts of money overall. It just sucks as the consumer because you end up either having to live with the older style of bulb or change them out on your own dime.
Yea, I wouldn’t have kept my 86 either if I didn’t like it. The black tips are worth it. Only complaint is they should give the automatic ones an option for deleting the two cup holders.
Yeah no, I hope I made it clear by the end of the video that I do really like this car. Everything I mentioned was just a minor gripe rather than a heavy swaying factor towards not getting it. The black tip exhaust does absolutely make the car look much better, especially with the stock tips being weirdly shaped and super sucked into the rear diffuser. I'm actually really interested though, you're the first person I heard that wants the option to remove the extra cup holder in the auto. I'd love to know why.
@@relatablerides well i only use the side cup holder on the drivers side. I need more space in the arm rest compartment.
@Niel Patel Oh I see, so you'd rather have had toyota drop the center console cup holder entirely in favor of making the center console storage compartment bigger (corrent me if I'm wrong).
I also find myself throwing my drinks in the cup holder in the door card, mainly because it's got a larger diameter than the center cup holder. I've almost always got my coffee in a travel mug, and it only actually fits in the door card cup holder.
I will say though when I'm messing with my phone at a traffic light or fiddling with my wallet it's nice to have that open area to quickly throw whatever is in my hands when I have to start driving again. I know on the first gen they had the massive center storage with the removable cup holders, but honestly the only thing I miss is the cigarette lighter style outlet they removed from there
Congratulations for the car and video. In my country the price of that car is horrible more than 50k €...greetings from Portugal
Thanks, I'm loving every minute in the driver's seat. I hope that price comes down in the coming months and you can get yourself one of these new gen 86's.
I’ve been seeing the manuals go for more than the auto because car enthusiasts want the manual. You don’t buy this car for an auto transmission
I agree, you've got a point. I was mentioning in the video that it's odd how the lowest entry cost vehicle (aka the cheapest vehicle for toyota/subaru to manufacturer) is selling for more than a premium auto, and even approaching 4 cyl supra territory. You'd also figure that dealers that don't quite understand what car enthusiasts want would be pricing the auto transmission higher than the manual, though I suppose that's not the case. Regardless, as a person who was looking for an auto it worked out pretty well for me lol.
If these minor things annoy this guy wait until he finds out about the RTV issue. LOL
If my engine blows up it just means that I now no longer have to deal with those 5 annoying things 😂
@@relatablerides lol
GR86 is a nice-looking car and that is where it ends for me. Dealer Markups or the things that dealers do are B.S., anything for a larger profit over their invoice. On an MSRP $30K car, the dealer may have paid $25K. Note: Buyer always pays S&H Delivery fee. Vehicles are mostly allocated so there are fewer vehicles on the dealer's lot in the last 5 to 8 years. Dealers at times have price reductions or incentives or promotions such as cheap LED TVs or laptops for buying a certain vehicle. Depending on the location and size of the dealership, there are overhead costs of ownership just to stay in business. They won't stay in business if unable to make let's say $2k from each vehicle they sell. Do not expect a fair deal on your Trade-in. If you paid $40K 3 years ago and have 30K miles, you might get 60 to 70 percent of its value $24K to $28K, whereas selling it privately gets you $29K to $33K. The dealer needs to make a profit and besides they have no idea how soon they can resell it, plus the cost of any repairs.
That's all absolutely facts. You articulated it very well too. The GR86 is definitely worth it as an entry level sports car, when all you're paying is the MSRP plus destination. Anything more than that and it's just unwise financially and not worth it for what you're getting.
I prefer the black interior heh
To each their own, I can definitely appreciate the simplicity that comes with a black interior but I'd personally like a splash of color to mix things up a little 😁
Everything you mentioned really isn't things that cost much. I agree that the interior needs to have some color choices. The car needs to sound like it looks. Folks call it affordable, however for the size engine, aluminum body, cheap interior the car really should cost in the low 20 grand. It's a shame. I left the Mustang world, in favor of this car. Wanted a change. After owning the GR 86 now for 5 months and 4,000 miles on it, I just find the level of quietness to be ridiculous. I'm just changing up to an axel back exhaust to get some sound our the back. As far as the cabin goes, I just have base cloth. It's livable, but it needs some bit of color. I'm contemplating going with a leather install company and changing it out. My big complaint about this car is quickness. The 0 to 60 in 6 seconds is ridiculous for a car this light. The goal for this car should have been at least 275 hp. Get that 0 to 6 time down to at least 5 .2 seconds. The car looks great, handles great, with more quickness for be a real competitor out there, more well rounded.
I can't argue with any of your points. Honestly I feel like the reason toyota/subaru are pricing this car the way that they are (assuming no dealer markups) is because of the low production numbers. They wouldn't be able to warrant the high production cost and factory line space for a vehicle that isn't gonna sell as well as a RAV4 for example, so to make up for that they have to increase the price. I do agree with you on the realistic price of a car like this, it should be about 20k.
As far as the quietness of the exhaust, I don't think I properly illustrated my dislike for it in my video. I made it my first point because it's by far the most annoying part of this otherwise great vehicle. If you watch the segment of this video (ua-cam.com/video/BFBeL-Em9MU/v-deo.html) where 86speed installs the AWE Touring exhaust, I honeslty think that toyota/subaru should have give us an exhaust that at least sounds remotely similar to this one from factory. I'm personally looking to buy the Touring edition with black painted tips once I save up enough money for it. That coupled with disabling the active sound control module will bring this car to life.
I can see your point about the 0-60 time, it's definitely not as good as it should be but that was never inherently the goal of this car. If you wanted a faster 0-60 you'd get a supra. If instead you wanted a car that was fun to drive, well balanced and handled as well as a porsche then you'd get the GR86. I personally never felt like the car was lacking in speed from a launch, but I suppose coming from a mustang that weighs more yet is still faster would be a different story.
In any case, this is meant to be a tuner's car. Once companies start coming out with supercharger kits and turbo kits for this car we're gonna start to see numbers well north of 300hp on E85. We're already seeing GR86's with only headers and an exhaust being tuned to make 20-25 horsepower over stock, and those numbers are only gonna go up with more aftermarket components.
Please point out to us any brand/model for a new car with rwd that cost low $20k. Not to mention a car that weights 2800lb and a manual option. You would argue 2022 base 4 cylinder mustang has a stronger motor but it weights 3500lb, 800lb difference. Not to mention newly changed base mustang would cost 35k starting
You’re on point at 20k for what you’re getting. That would be the fair value of this car.
@@shredblue8536 All the parts and materials that went into making this car feels like they put money in where it matters (touch points like the steering wheel, infotainment/climate control, shifter, etc) and saved money elsewhere. All in all though it does give me low 20k vibes.
At the end of the day like I said in the other comment they have to price it a little higher from factory just because it's such a low volume vehicle that they have to price it as such for it to be financially viable. Consider it an enthusiast tax.
@@relatablerides you’re right and I don’t mind the budget feel of the car , putting the materials in the function , it’s cool and retro , but that price point even with the empathy of the enthusiast is just not worth it.
Did you even consider the BRZ against the GR86? Or any other similar car?
I did, I actually spent a good chunk of time deciding if I wanted to get the GR86 or the Miata (the BRZ was a write off for me, I never loved how the front end looked vs. the GR86). At the end of the day I opted for the second gen 86 after seeing how much they improved the technology (and of course the torque dip) and how ridiculous the prices for the first gen models were. I remember seeing a 2013 first gen 86 with like 65k miles going for a little under 30k (and most other listings were between 25-30k for similar years/mileage), and I couldn't justify spending that much on such a heavily modified car when the new one is supposed to be 30k MSRP. I also considered looking at more powerful coupes like the mustang/camaro, the 350/370Z and a few BMW and Audi coupes, but at the end of the day they had a lot more features than I cared for, weighed too much, and were far too powerful for everyday fun on my commute. What models did you have in mind as a good alternative to the GR86?
@@relatablerides Primarily a Mazda3 Premium Hatchback with the manual but pricing is not favorable for anything right now. I think I would rather stick with naturally aspirated engines but will consider a turbo assisted motor. I have never owned a turbo and I have been keeping most of my new car purchases for at least 10 years.
Supply is too low on manual transmissions. My other alternatives of particular interest, depending on the buy price of course, Acura Integra A-Spec, Civic SI, and the Hyundai Elantra N. I thought about the Mustang GT or Challenger R/T but I think I am too spoiled to better fuel mileage and reliability of the foreign manufacturers mentioned. The Acura is more than what I want to pay but would give me lots more room and storage for vacations, but it is supposed to be better than the Civic SI and to me it looks much better, I just don't want to pay their price. I really like the somewhat odd appearance of the Elantra N because it is distinctive like the Mazda3 and the BRZ/GR86. Anything I buy will have to come with a manual transmission. I still love driving my 2006 Mazda3 sedan with a manual and I will continue to shop waiting on prices to fall back in line. I realize that may be a little while but right now I am being patient.
I wouldn't personally consider the new mazda3 premium hatchback as a good competitor to the gr86, as they're fundamentally different cars. One is a two door, four seater front engine rwd sports car while the other is a fwd (or awd) four door five seater hatchback with decent handling but an otherwise lackluster driving experience. I hate using this term because it's somewhat insulting to non-sports cars, but it's "normal traffic". I don't mind the styling at all, but I wouldn't put them up against each other, as the only thing they share is the price point. Same kinda thing generally goes for the acura, civic and elantra, as they're all fwd sedans. Again, the only thing they share with the gr86 is the price point. Not to say they're bad cars or they wouldn't be good for specific use case scenarios, just for the sake of comparing apples to apples throwing those cars against the gr86 doesn't compute for me. I agree on the elantra N though, it does look pretty interesting. In an alternate universe I definitely would have gotten an elantra N, especially with that exhaust note.
NA engines are good, but you always gotta push them to their limit to get all the power. Turbo cars make the power delivery much more natural and effortless, every time I go from the gr86 to my parent's alfa romeo giulia with a 2.0l turbo 4 I realize just how much difference having a turbo can make. I'm seriously considering either a supercharger or a turbo for the gr86 in the coming years, after I've gotten fully comfortable with the chassis and how it handles. I think the extra power will do wonders with the balanced chassis.
sorry it took so long to respond, I'm still trying to figure out how youtube comments get organized with new comments vs. replies vs. mentions, etc. I appreciate your patience!
Does it come with a spare or run flats?
So it comes with a tire repair kit from factory, but it’s got room under the carpeted trunk for a spare. I’ve heard on the forums people buy spare tires for the last gen cars on eBay or Facebook marketplace and it mounts in the back of the new gen perfectly.
So you were able to afford this while going to school?! Ok so could I get your input on something. I have about 5 grand saved up for this car and I'm working full time at the moment but in 2 months I return back to school full time. I really really want this car badly but do you think I'd be smart of me to just get it.
So yeah I am able to afford this while going to school, but just barely 😅. I'm lucky enough to have gotten a full ride scholarship to my uni, so I don't have any loans at all and my parents are very supportive on the other fronts (housing, food, etc.). I was also able to put down roughly 13k, which made the monthly payments manageable given my working situation (but again, just barely. Basically, 90% of my paycheck every month goes towards this car through capital, insurance and gas. That's fine for my situation given the aforementioned scholarship and supportive parents). At the end of the day I can't tell you whether or not it makes sense to get this car without knowing your whole financial situation, but I can tell you that it is a car worth getting if you can afford it. For the value there's not much else you can get brand new that ticks as many boxes as this car does.
@relatable rides hey so I wanted to give some time to pass and I now have 10 grand saved up for a down payment on the car. My mom is actually really supportive and she's told me she's willing to help me out (food, housing, clothes etc) if she needs too as long as I stay in school ( which I am ) but I don't really like the amount of gas my old beat up 4runner wastes just to drive to work. Long story short on the 4runner, my dad passed away and I was left with it. I couldn't ever get ride of it.. for sentimental reasons. I just don't like it cause it's not for me personally. However, if you don't mind, how'd you finance the remaining amount for the car? Did you go through a bank or through the dealership? I'm getting real close to ordering mines and just want to get an idea of someone who's already done it.
I'm so sorry about this being so long but if you see this.. much appreciated!!!
@@richard9799 Glad to hear you're making progress! So as far as my financing went, I had my dad officially purchase the car under his name so he could get a good interest rate (as you know interest rates right now are terrible), he was able to land 4.25% through his own bank with his excellent credit. I wanted to see if the bank would approve me for the loan, but I didn't get approved given the loan amount and my current income. Long story short, my dad took out the loan in his name to get me a good interest rate, and I'm paying off the car with what I make. Also, fuel-wise the GR86 isn't too bad at all. I'm averaging 21mpg with mostly city, some highway driving and I refuel about twice a month at ~$38 each time, and I drive roughly 400ish miles a month. Did you get final pricing on a specific vehicle through a dealership yet? More than likely the online prices you see listed aren't gonna be anywhere near what you'll end up paying (taxes, fees, dealer accessories, etc).
@Relatable Rides Thanks. I've been really motivated by our little conversations that I've been wanting to give it time before I reply back. So at the moment now I have 13k saved. A toyota dealership has the exact car trim and color I want. It's being sold for 35k. However, I plan on doing the same, using my mom's name on the car so she can land me better interest rates and a better insurance cost as well. However, my question to you is, what company did you and your dad use for the loan? And what was the term ( 60 or 72 month )? Only If you don't mind answering.
@@richard9799 So we used Capital One just because my dad has the longest standing history with them, and most of his credit cards were issued through Capital One. He was able to land 4.25% at the time were the lowest rates were hovering around ~6-7%. He's planning on refinancing it once the rates go down again. We've got it on a 60 month plan right now, but when we refinance he's planning on shortening the term. I will tell you though, 35k might not be the price you end up paying. Is that the window sticker price or the online price or the out-the-door price? Usually they increase in that order, with the window sticker being the lowest and the out-the-door price being the highest. If youHe's planning on refinancing it once the rates go down again. If 35k is the online price expect to actually pay closer to 40-42k depending on tax rates and dealer fees (title, registration, whatever other stuff the dealer tacks on there). If 35k is your out-the-door price, you're in a really good place. You won't be financing a massive amount, and if you cosign with your mom you can even improve your credit score. Hope this helps. Let me know if you've got any more questions and what you end up doing!
Interesting
I appreciate the comment!
I was soo lucky to get my 2023 only 1k above sticker
That's great to hear!
I bought my GR86 (Europe) for 36k € (no makups) and price instantly jumps at 45k € and now there is no gr86 for sale lul :D
That's a win in my book! If you end up having to get rid of it for any reason you won't be at a financial loss.
If they want to sell more, all they have to do is make more.
They just end up blaming supply chain issues, that's the go-to excuse nowadays
Im surprised u dont drive with sun glasses 🤣🤣
I'm just built different 😂
Should've gotten a Subaru.
It feels like I did lol. My sister has a 2015 Legacy that I used to drive around quite a bit, and after getting the GR86 I noticed that so much of the interior switchgear/technology is pulled right out of Subaru's parts bin. Still like the design of the GR86 just a smidge more, and I don't regret getting it.
@@relatablerides I was just ribbing you man. I swapped out stock exaust for a Corsa cat-back specifically because it claimed no drone. Twas true! Congrats on the ride; you'll get it sorted out eventually.
@@Rocket5150 It's hard to tell in the comments section lol 😅. I'll look into the corsa exhaust, for me right now getting an exhaust is pretty far down the line until I can start saving a good chunk of cash. Thanks for taking the time to comment though! I really appreciate it
in Portugal it is in 51 mil euros
Now that's a hefty markup lol
The price of this car in Portugal it’s just ridiculous, but it’s not because of markups. The problem it’s the super high taxes that we have on new cars. We are honestly one of the worst countries if you want to have a nice car.
@@JoaoBorgesSr Yeah no I'm really sorry to hear that. It sucks that you can't get to enjoy cars like these without paying an arm and a leg. At least the used market is good(?)
@@relatablerides Unfortunately the used market is also very high. The German used car market is normally the lowest in Europe and when we compare the Portuguese used car market with the German one, our cars are always 10k more expensive. Thats why a lot of the dealerships here in Portugal buy the cars in Germany and sell them here with a profit.
@@relatablerides One car that always me laugh its the Toyota Supra with the 4 cylinder engine 2.0 Turbo. The price of that car in Portugal starts at 69k, its unbelievable ahah. Who is the crazy guy who will buy a Supra with 258hp for more than 70k with some options? What a joke!
Why hate, rather than just mildly dislike? You obviously like the car and go to pains to say so.
I'm trying to play the UA-cam algorithm for views, if I title the video "5 things I midly dislike" not nearly as many people would click on it. I know it's somewhat deceptive but such are the ways of the UA-cam algorithm. I'm sorry if I deceived you with the title.
@@relatablerides LOL, no problem. Thank you for the interesting points made.
@@twhalen I hate that...
@@twhalen you know that's right
Get a BRZ instead lol
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I don’t really know how to tell people this , but they use the name of the car to rape you with a prehistoric interior. This was made with profit in mind sadly. I don’t see where 34k comes from at all honestly especially when you can get a GLI for the same price. Few sensors or active safety feature OPTIONS for those who want any of them.
This car would be good somewhere at 20k.
That's definitely an interesting way of putting it 😅. I get your point though, but at the same time toyota/subaru aren't well known for having the best interiors in their vehicles.
While vehicles like the new tundra and the subaru legacy (two newer models that immediately come to mind) do have very nice looking, upscale interiors the overall design/tech is still rather behind German competitiors. At the end of the day the simplistic interior of the GR86 doesn't feel like it's trash, and you won't really notice much of a difference unless you're constantly switching between this car and a more mainstream, highly optioned model
GLI is not a coupe and is fwd.. The interior is not prehistoric, it's Toyota. If they wanted to charge more they could have, based on current demand for this platform.
@@MrToppramen I agree. Honestly a GLi wouldn't handle as well as this car does even if they did make it a couple. Front engine rear wheel drive is a vibe.
The interior is actually more subaru than toyota honestly. I'm pretty sure subaru developed the UI and toyota just reskinned the icons. All the warning chimes and beeps and everything are all subaru for sure, but regardless it's far from prehistoric.