In what world exactly is that a “skinny” steering wheel? If you want to know what a truly skinny steering wheel looks and feels like just drive a car from the 60’s or 70’s. They were not only skinny but the diameter was huge. Back then when fixing up a car for racing or even high performance street driving the very first thing we did was to replace the steering wheel. On modern cars however the steering wheels are about the optimum diameter and girth for high performance driving or even racing. And as someone who did a lot of racing and car modification in my youth I can tell you that I would not feel the slightest need to change out that steering wheel. Its just perfect as is.
I drive across a sizeable bridge over a lake at about 8:45am ish on tuesdays and thursday, facing eastward. Let me tell you, the alcantara doesn't do shit lmao. Looks alright though, I guess.
Thanks for your review. The GR86 uses the Toyota D-4S injection, which is why the plastic cover has these things printed on it. Toyota didn't "pay for the privilege to be on it". Also, Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, so there's that.
Also Toyota developed almost the whole body for the twins and the supra uses bmw parts but Toyota turned indo a more reliable car and everything on both cars where co-developed, Toyota make things happen (Im so sorry for my poor gramar, i not fluent in english)
Toyota should've just make it a two-seater and give more leg room for the front. This is a fun car to drive. Definitely not a family type car. Make it lighter as well.
i paid for the compass equipped upgraded autodimming mirror... it is a very nice upgrade for my brz and has programmable garagedoor clickers. Worth it!
I just purchased a '24 GR86 "Premium" trim in Steel yesterday after putting a down payment and signing up for a wait list on the GR Corolla. This feels so good, am so excited for this spring and summer to truly use this platform. Thanks for this upload!!
@aymericolvera3372 I put a 10k down payment towards the 86, and it's a hair over 460/month. It's absolutely worth it! I financed it through my own credit union, so they helped a lot with interest, and I'll refinance in a year
@aymericolvera3372 I drove off the lot without a down payment on the GR86. The payments are a hair under 700, and I refinance in two months with my personal credit union for a huge interest rate drop And I just canceled the GR Rola "pre-order" because I love the 86 so much I just saw this comment. Sorry for the late reply
Missed a couple things, Toyota let Subaru use toyota's direct injection for the engine, also the engine is tuned by Toyota, and the brz is tuned by Subaru, Toyota didn't pay to just put their name on it, it's mainly a Toyota project, Subaru just makes it. Also the "half fake" aero is blocked off because it supplied the engine and wheel bays with too much air. Also the left traction control button turns off everything except ABS after holding it for 5 seconds. The right traction control button only puts the car in track mode, which turns of stability control and tightens up the steering but that's it. Also not so fun fact the automatics come with Subaru eyesight and it sucks.
Actually more of a Toyota insisted that D4-S be on the car. I read the backstory on it, and Subaru said it could not be done on the Boxer engine, and resisted the idea. Be glad it’s on both the BRZ , and the 86, as this system not only adds power, but you will not get carbon fouling like a normal DI engine, because the added port injection keeps the valves clean
Toyota owns 17% of Subaru, they've owned that stake since before the development of this car. I imagine they found a way to work together in a way that was mutually beneficial
I bought the 2023 BRZ charcoal black. I live in Canada and last winter it was cold and had ice accumulate on driver door. When you grab door handle the window quickly drops 1 inch to break the seal. But.. when it's frozen you can't get in your car.. door gets stuck with window gasket. The coffee holders are bother some.. I place napkins over the usb ports next to the holder to prevent and spilt coffee. The stock stereo is okay but I noticed even on low the door speakers vibrate the side mirror a lot. On a rainy day the reverse camera is near useless because rain drops on lens. Other then that.. The BRZ is very fun to drive and more.
I find it weird that everyone complains about the turn signals. I have lived with them for over a year and prefer them over normal turn signal stalks. They are very easy to use, and I never have to manually turn off my turn signals because they do it automatically after completing a turn.
$1700 is way too expensive for an exhaust option. When I got mine I got an MBRP Axle back, super easy install just 2 bolts and 2 rubber hangers, sounds very similar to this
@@BayBrimsta It does the job just aswell and costs less than 1/3rd the price, At $1700 one can buy aftermarket catbacks with a far superior build quality than the OEM one. Usually I do stick to oem when it concerns anything that would void the warranty or any kind of Sensor/computer part, But personally I got the car with the intent of customizing it as there is a lot of quality aftermarket support for the GR86.
i think that's only in auto tho. honestly there are some features that are cut out of the manual premium that shouldn't be. adaptive cruise control is cut out of all the manuals, like sure of course the car won't switch gears for you in manual but it can still automatically adjust the throttle, instead they choose to cut it out. also parking sensors aren't in the manual, sure not need especially with a camera still included but still would be nice when paying for the "premium" edition.
LOL @ the backseat space: Fun story: my 70 yr old mother rode in the back seats of my 2013 FRS and she just put her feet/legs on the center console ...problem solved hahah ;)
Yeah, I really get tired of everyone saying that everyone knows that “nobody” will ever sit back there. My girlfriend is very petite and she would likely have no trouble sitting in the front seat with it way forward and her equally petite girlfriend could fit in the back seat right behind her. Now obviously this would not be ideal on a long trip but it would work quite well if we were all going out to dinner together or something like that. That back seat is only there for those extremely rare occasions when you might need to give a 3rd passenger a lift across town. Anyway, it would be more accurate for these car reviewers to say that the vast majority or adults will not be able to use the back seat.
Any news on the well documented subaru engine rtv problem? ..and engine oil starvation for gr86 ? Subaru is losing much respect for not owning and addressing these real problems.
Man I’ve been trying to convince my wife to let me trade my EV in for this car… so far no luck lol she really likes how quiet the road noise is in our EV
the turn signal is like my bmw light tap it does 3 times all the way stays until turn OR move it the same direction again and its off, if you do opposite direction it just switches its not dumb its just people dont learn it so they hate it lol
This car, MX5 and the much more exoensive GRC are 10/10 cars except this cars on flaw - the Subaru engine issues. It sucks coz otherwise this car is as good at it gets
subaru boxer engines have a lot more issues than the trendy new exploding engine problem.… that’s just the icing on the cake lol when toyota allegedly redoes the drivetrain on this thing sign me up (at msrp)
I still strongly believe that all the newer “cheap” rwd cars are overpriced. Got a 1st gen brz back in 2016 for 21k and that seemed reasonable at the time, ~35k for a facelift, alcantara, and a tune is just overly unreasonable.. but I’m still determined to get a 2nd gen (probably used tho… broke enthusiast stay broke 😅)
I have a premium in halo white reserved that I will be picking up in April and it's going to hurt to pay for so I think you are playing it smart but unfortunately I need a new car anyway as the daily beater is at deaths door, wish me luck lol.
Nice review! A little side note after looking at one, I noticed that the "front" cup holders are on each door, right or wrong. This is in addition to the center console holders. They are big enough for water bottles, anyway.
WOW! what a great review. I thoroughly enjoyed everything that was said and covered in this video. Keep up the good work. Give us more please!! ahhhhhhhh.. Yes
First of all, I really liked your video, the GR 86 us my favorite car ever and I enjoyed your video 💕 Then, I just wanna add that the alcantara on top of the instrument cluster is to reduce reflections on the windshield (See The Straight Pipes' review on the C8 Corvette for more info) Also, Toyota did the fuel injection system in the Subaru engines because Toyota owns a part of Subaru and when they asked Subaru to give their engine direct injection they said it couldn't be done so Toyota engineers went in and made the injection system themselves, so yes, this is an engine co-developed by Toyota and Subaru. This isn't a Supra situation where Toyota just redesigned, recalibrated and retuned a BMW M340i. Also, the original idea was to only have the 86 and no BRZ but Subaru whete so happy with the prototype they wanted their own version and Toyota agreed because more sale is always good specially for this sort of cars :)
I got the all weather floor mats and it came with the rear ones as well. Oh and the the GR shifter was $135 when I brought it (the auto version but I think Manual was the same price,must’ve went up.
Having owned a number of Subarus and iv no problem with them but I really wish they’d ditch the boxer engine i don’t think it was the right choice for this awsome platform
Your missing a big one cup holder by itself in the middle of your chairs, and you forgot to mention the chargers between android and iphone and they gave it two parts of wires comes with it
Although the basic design of the engine is based on Subaru, Toyota's D4-S direct injection technology has been introduced, so the entire area from the head to the fuel injection system uses Toyota's patented technology. This is why the names of both Toyota and Subaru are written on the engine. In the development process, Toyota brought in the product planning itself, so we must not forget that Toyota was involved in the fundamental aspects of the design, even down to the position of the engine to lower the center of gravity.
@@reganmianI was able to get the 2023 that was available on the dealership’s floor. Luckily for me it’s my favorite color. Red with a six speed! Unfortunately now that I got injured at work, I don’t drive it as much and with only 1600 miles I’m on the fence on selling it.
Wrong - Toyota hasn't paid Subaru to put on their logo on the engine... They have actually provided the Toyota D4S injection to use with the Subaru engine. So that's valid cooperation even if it's mainly a Subaru
8:56 On a scale of 1 to 11, how confident are you that those seats are *synthetic* leather? Thanks for the fun review! PS: The gopro headlamp POV was clutch/dope/awesome/rad/wonderful. (Choose your generation.)
It depends on your personal opinion if Toyota or Subaru looks and feels better. Both cars are very similar with some minor differences. I drive the 2023 BRZ and the outline for me looks better. Subaru in Germany is very rare and the STI parts are not necessary, but are looking great. It is a cool car concept, we are lucky to have these days. So enjoy every hour with your Toyota or Subaru. I think we will get not that much comparable stuff in the future. Other hypercars are nice, but they are not affordable for most of us. Regarding the shift gear or automatic transmission: I have no chance to compare that for the BRZ, but for a normal car with actual safety features like automatic distance controls a automatic transmission is great. I think at this sport car a manual brings more fun and it’s easy to handle. Just my point o view. Better to have one with automatic than having none 😊 Nice review and good additional content at the comments. Thank you all for that.
Yes the turn signal is dumb (the Savage Geese guy said he gets the urge to take a saw and chop it off every time he gets in), but nobody mentions the cruse control, It's nearly the same as the 1971(!) Toyota Celica (if you're math impaired, that's 50+ years old). it's not digial like in a Honda civic where once you set it, you can click it up or down and it adjusts the cruse in 1mph increments. It also has a 3 blink lane change mode where you just flip it once,and it blinks 3 times and then turns itself off. I'm going to miss both those. The sad thing is that to fix these things, it would probably raise the prince by $5000. Not an acceptable price increase in a "Driver's car", where you're just supposed to put up with inconveniences like that. But you should probably get one anyway. Rumors have it the replacement is a 3 cylinder turbo hybrid with BMW/Audi/Cadilac styling.
You got it wrong on the engine. It is not just a Subaru engine that Toyota paid to put their name on. It includes Toyota's direct injection AND port injection. A major improvement over the Subaru engine.
this is definitely around the SE part of Wisconsin!!... I've been thinking about this or the Miata, but for 5-10k more, i think i will be going for the Z performance. prices on those have been falling on those like crazy...
@@dwnshftlook where he lives brother. No traffic all open road. If you live in traffic like Los Angeles and this is your only car - auto is fine. MT is for living traffic free or weekend warrior
Great review lots of info. Only knock I have is shut up when doing performance driving and hard cornering at revs we want to hear the engine not your yapper. Thanks.
From Toyota's website, looking at the 2024 model, the specs for the "Premium" trim level show that it now starts at $34k - with an included automatic transmission. How do we feel about that?!!
You know, reviewers always knock on Japanese cars not having leg room in the back, but they never criticize American cars for the same issue. Never hear that level of scrutiny with the mustang or Camaro.
Are the rear seats a split fold down? Is there a setting that gives you a radial display option for your speed? Is the rear spoiler adhered or bolted to the trunk?
Nice review. I feel like its overpriced. A couple add ons and you can buy a different driver focused car for the same price that has more standard options. They need to make it cheap again
@korbynnull7666 if you're under 40k, you can get a lot. Elentra N is a good choice. GR corolla, mustang ecoboost, vw GTI. You could get a used BMW M2. Quite a bit to choose from
@@brandonp5592 already have a BRZ I just wonder what makes the 33?k MSRP of the twins overpriced/what else you think is a better buy in the price range. I wanted a GR Corolla but there was no shot of me getting a base under 42k in the timeframe I needed a car. Elantra/Veloster N is the only other “similar” car I actually considered. I did also look at Civic Si but that’s not really in the same class at all. I think Hyundai N models is the best counter to the value I see in the GR/BRZ. Edit: the Elantra N is uglier than the Veloster to me, but you do get a lot of comfort features and some extra driving features over the GR86. Definitely a better sound system. But muh styling
@korbynnull7666 dont get me wrong. With the new engine, the BRZ/86 is a great car and its rwd. I just feel like 28k for a bare bones car that comes with no extras is a little much. Im currently shopping right now and I think the Civic SI is a better choice, its a honda and it comes with features that make everyday living better. Like the bose system. If you dont mind Kias, the Forte GT can be had with a manual and comforts. But if you get the forte GT automatic, you can get stuff like ventilated seats for even cheaper than the SI, and it still has 200hp.
@@brandonp5592 everything you listed has a base price higher than the premium GR86 with most being thousands over, and none are close to that same type of driving feel being hundreds of pounds heavier. The GR86 is meant to be a drivers car with turn track focus (while maintaining the increasingly rare combo of 2DR, RWD & 6MT) and daily driver features lightly sprinkled in, the M2, GTI, N and Ecostang are all more daily drive &/or GT focused.
I just test drove one yesterday and they added a weird square-shaped hole in front of the cup holder area. Not sure what it’s for…too small for a phone and too square for a cup. Why not just move the cup holders forward 4”
@@goodlifebdg the Miata is probably a little more fun on public roads (especially if you prefer the drop-top experience) the 86 feels a little more disciplined and the rear slides a little more organically in my experience (more fun on track, also safer on track due to fixed roof)
@@dwnshft thanks dude. Considering miata / brz. Will probably never go on track, so leaning towards miata. Brz is much more practical. But.. Topless is priceless (quote-worthy ?)
if anyone bought the 2023 model, how long did it take for your car to come in? specifically in ontario canada. ik these cars take a few weeks-months depending on where u live but my dealer told me up to 6 months (ik its an estimate its not always accurate) and i called them not even a month ago and they told me they have no info on the car whatsoever (i ordered the basic auto in black but im not picky on the colour. i thought it would be a more common car so it would come in faster). i've already waited 6 months i want to know how much longer i could possibly have to wait. if anyone has a similar experience plz lmk!
The 86 is less Subaru than you are giving credit. Manufactured and engineered/developed are much different things. Magna Steyr manufacturers the supra in Austria. Magen Magna Steyr had nothing to do with the development of the car. Subaru had the tooling and assembly line that could be easily adapted. So therefore manufactured it. Need to go beyond the engine to appreciate the differences and commonalities.
So sad that Toyota themselves don't ha Pride on their brand anymore. If tjis would had been a 100% a toyota product im sure it would have sold 2X the amount they already have
...Toyota litterally is the biggest ans highest grossing manufacturer in the world. Over thousands of cars, trim, subtrim, models, concept models, etc. They made this car SPECIFICALLY as a way to ask its little sister brand being scion/subaru to help create a well affordable car that isn't as much as buying a house. Subaru is known for making unique trims and frames of sporty cars, Toyota needed a alternative coup frame compared to what they have currently, this creates a much affordable cheaper option as it helps BOTH brands. Buy gettinf Subaru to help with the production. Not to mention, GR86 is one of little to no cars that actually made it into production phase given the car market was crumbling. GR86 Is a Toyota car. Being proud and respected strong along side the mk5 supra, but as well as establishing great relationships with its sister brand being Subaru. Toyota owns .20 cents of every dollar Subaru makes. Which is alot** it only made sence Toyota went to Subaru ti create a well built introductory and very impressive for the price affordable car.
Special thanks to our Patreons for their support of the channel! GR86 or Mazda miata?
Or..MR2?? Muhuhahaa!
both are incredible pieces of art
In what world exactly is that a “skinny” steering wheel? If you want to know what a truly skinny steering wheel looks and feels like just drive a car from the 60’s or 70’s. They were not only skinny but the diameter was huge. Back then when fixing up a car for racing or even high performance street driving the very first thing we did was to replace the steering wheel. On modern cars however the steering wheels are about the optimum diameter and girth for high performance driving or even racing. And as someone who did a lot of racing and car modification in my youth I can tell you that I would not feel the slightest need to change out that steering wheel. Its just perfect as is.
If i could afford, both of them
What’s the price of the GR start button?
The alcantara on the dash is to prevent sun glare. Ridiculous yes, but that’s it’s purpose
Innnnnteresting
It also feels good when I rub my nipples on it 😌
I drive across a sizeable bridge over a lake at about 8:45am ish on tuesdays and thursday, facing eastward. Let me tell you, the alcantara doesn't do shit lmao. Looks alright though, I guess.
Yup. Better than seeing the reflection of shiny plastic on your windshield.
@@future_phonk Yes. Seeing the dashboard reflection covering the windshield is very annoying and distracting to me.
Thanks for your review. The GR86 uses the Toyota D-4S injection, which is why the plastic cover has these things printed on it. Toyota didn't "pay for the privilege to be on it". Also, Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, so there's that.
That 20% didn’t come for free, did it?
@@RedBRZ23 Yeah it was free. A gift from Santa.
@@buntafujiwara3586exactly! 😂😂😂
Also Toyota developed almost the whole body for the twins and the supra uses bmw parts but Toyota turned indo a more reliable car and everything on both cars where co-developed, Toyota make things happen
(Im so sorry for my poor gramar, i not fluent in english)
@@lacostealmeidadasilva8529 that’s right. That’s why most parts on the GR86 say “Subaru”.
Yes, the small backseat carpets are included in the $180 cabin carpet package.
Those are "Insurance seats" to keep you out of the corvette insurance premium cla$$.
There is an upgraded rear view mirror option as well, the auto dimming kind with programmable buttons for garage doors and the like.
The engine isn't all Subaru. The dual injection system D4-S ( port and direct) is Toyota's.
Toyota should've just make it a two-seater and give more leg room for the front. This is a fun car to drive. Definitely not a family type car. Make it lighter as well.
Its ok with the 2 small rear seats it drops insurance rates.
I could bring my daughter to school with those back seats, makes no sense to not have back seats if the car will fit them
@@inizilla_fk7 get a minivan, makes no sense to put your baby girl in back seat of a 86
@@badboy-gn8fumakes no sense to not and instead buy a minivan lol
That’s Supra
i paid for the compass equipped upgraded autodimming mirror... it is a very nice upgrade for my brz and has programmable garagedoor clickers. Worth it!
I just purchased a '24 GR86 "Premium" trim in Steel yesterday after putting a down payment and signing up for a wait list on the GR Corolla.
This feels so good, am so excited for this spring and summer to truly use this platform.
Thanks for this upload!!
Hey man, what do your payments look like and down payment if you don’t mind me askign
@aymericolvera3372 I put a 10k down payment towards the 86, and it's a hair over 460/month. It's absolutely worth it!
I financed it through my own credit union, so they helped a lot with interest, and I'll refinance in a year
@aymericolvera3372 its definitely a more affordable sports car its isnt a rudiculous amount
@aymericolvera3372 I drove off the lot without a down payment on the GR86. The payments are a hair under 700, and I refinance in two months with my personal credit union for a huge interest rate drop
And I just canceled the GR Rola "pre-order" because I love the 86 so much
I just saw this comment. Sorry for the late reply
Missed a couple things, Toyota let Subaru use toyota's direct injection for the engine, also the engine is tuned by Toyota, and the brz is tuned by Subaru, Toyota didn't pay to just put their name on it, it's mainly a Toyota project, Subaru just makes it. Also the "half fake" aero is blocked off because it supplied the engine and wheel bays with too much air. Also the left traction control button turns off everything except ABS after holding it for 5 seconds. The right traction control button only puts the car in track mode, which turns of stability control and tightens up the steering but that's it. Also not so fun fact the automatics come with Subaru eyesight and it sucks.
is subaru eyesight just the moving headlights?
@@fxncy2566 it's the auto stopping thing when the cameras detect an object in the road. The premium version comes with the adaptive headlights
Actually more of a Toyota insisted that D4-S be on the car. I read the backstory on it, and Subaru said it could not be done on the Boxer engine, and resisted the idea. Be glad it’s on both the BRZ , and the 86, as this system not only adds power, but you will not get carbon fouling like a normal DI engine, because the added port injection keeps the valves clean
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how did y’all learn this? i want to learn more about this car and engine
Toyota owns 17% of Subaru, they've owned that stake since before the development of this car.
I imagine they found a way to work together in a way that was mutually beneficial
My GR86 is the best thing that happened to me in 2024, I really needed a car like this to cheer myself up after coming off a long relationship.
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I bought the 2023 BRZ charcoal black. I live in Canada and last winter it was cold and had ice accumulate on driver door. When you grab door handle the window quickly drops 1 inch to break the seal. But.. when it's frozen you can't get in your car.. door gets stuck with window gasket. The coffee holders are bother some.. I place napkins over the usb ports next to the holder to prevent and spilt coffee. The stock stereo is okay but I noticed even on low the door speakers vibrate the side mirror a lot. On a rainy day the reverse camera is near useless because rain drops on lens. Other then that.. The BRZ is very fun to drive and more.
Was it able to keep up in the winter time?
@@bluemanscoops9980 actually I was very surprised,, the handling was excellent and I found that I had no problems with traction.
@@williamshortreed7609at its heart it’s a Subaru
I find it weird that everyone complains about the turn signals. I have lived with them for over a year and prefer them over normal turn signal stalks. They are very easy to use, and I never have to manually turn off my turn signals because they do it automatically after completing a turn.
Do they self cancel for lane changes? My Honda Civic avoids the lane change cancel issue by only blinking 3 times, then self-canceling.
@@jfan4reva small nudge instead of full pushing to the indentation point will do the 3-blink signal just like any other car :)
@@jfan4reva yes they do
Getting rid of the 3 second blink can be turned off in the car settings
@@Phil-ve8lr why would you want to do that?
$1700 is way too expensive for an exhaust option. When I got mine I got an MBRP Axle back, super easy install just 2 bolts and 2 rubber hangers, sounds very similar to this
Not OEM tho but ok .
@@BayBrimsta It does the job just aswell and costs less than 1/3rd the price, At $1700 one can buy aftermarket catbacks with a far superior build quality than the OEM one. Usually I do stick to oem when it concerns anything that would void the warranty or any kind of Sensor/computer part, But personally I got the car with the intent of customizing it as there is a lot of quality aftermarket support for the GR86.
Did you notice performance increase with axle black? Id buy it because of performance and not a different sound .
@@f4ke_nyex969 maybe a little but if its there its within the noise, a catback is obv the way to go for performance, I just got mine for the noise
Ive seen a Japanese review of the gr86 with 4 people in the car, 2 Japanese ladies fit comfortable in the back and two dudes in the front as well.
The premium also gets steering reactive headlights
i think that's only in auto tho. honestly there are some features that are cut out of the manual premium that shouldn't be. adaptive cruise control is cut out of all the manuals, like sure of course the car won't switch gears for you in manual but it can still automatically adjust the throttle, instead they choose to cut it out. also parking sensors aren't in the manual, sure not need especially with a camera still included but still would be nice when paying for the "premium" edition.
@@fxncy2566Ita manual too. I have manual, and it has them. Doesn’t get eye sight stuff. Next year it will
Omg you are hilarious! When you pointed out the hidden rear floormats and then said "Who is this for?" I just died 😂😂😂
I'm middle aged ... and LOVE this car. I just wonder if it's too small.
Très bien pour un homme 170 lbs5'7"
I'm 205cm, 80kg (6'7", 175lbs) I test drove the car this week, I could fit very comfortable with the seat all the way back.
I am 6feet tall and 225 and fit is great , plenty of leg room and seat is wide enough compared to a Elantra N that to my surprise i didn't fit in
@@chrisdewet1666 awesome, this gives me some comfort, i haven't test driven it yet. But I'm 190cm 105kg. SO i think I'll fit in just fine
LOL @ the backseat space: Fun story: my 70 yr old mother rode in the back seats of my 2013 FRS and she just put her feet/legs on the center console ...problem solved hahah ;)
they should have made the rear seat a straight bench instead of the hump, that would be better for what it gets used for-storage.
The hump is the driveshaft that connects to the rear differential. It's what makes the car go.
@@zacharywolter yeah i'm aware. i figured it was pointless after i posted it.
You can easily fit 2 (Small) passengers. Front seat a bit forward. Good to go.
Yeah, I really get tired of everyone saying that everyone knows that “nobody” will ever sit back there. My girlfriend is very petite and she would likely have no trouble sitting in the front seat with it way forward and her equally petite girlfriend could fit in the back seat right behind her. Now obviously this would not be ideal on a long trip but it would work quite well if we were all going out to dinner together or something like that. That back seat is only there for those extremely rare occasions when you might need to give a 3rd passenger a lift across town. Anyway, it would be more accurate for these car reviewers to say that the vast majority or adults will not be able to use the back seat.
I just got a 2024 GR86 Premiumand its really interesting seeing the small changes, seeing what they decided to adjust and what they ignored.
Honestly i learned a lot here and ive watched a ton if reviews
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Any news on the well documented subaru engine rtv problem? ..and engine oil starvation for gr86 ? Subaru is losing much respect for not owning and addressing these real problems.
great video, keep grinding
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Man I’ve been trying to convince my wife to let me trade my EV in for this car… so far no luck lol she really likes how quiet the road noise is in our EV
I love my 86 but the road noise is bad 😂
Don't trip on your skirt
I have a 2022 M340i. My kid has a 2023 GR86. I like driving that GR86.
7:23 a bit nitpicky... you do the same motion for a regular control. and besides when you finish your turn, it does turn off
the turn signal is like my bmw light tap it does 3 times all the way stays until turn OR move it the same direction again and its off, if you do opposite direction it just switches its not dumb its just people dont learn it so they hate it lol
Haha Lord Demuro! Father Doug! 🤣
Papa Demuro 🤌
Its a nice looking car but I wish it was a tiny bit bigger. I test drove one and my head was rubbing the ceiling but there was enough leg room.
This car, MX5 and the much more exoensive GRC are 10/10 cars except this cars on flaw - the Subaru engine issues. It sucks coz otherwise this car is as good at it gets
everyday spirited driving wont blow up your engine
subaru boxer engines have a lot more issues than the trendy new exploding engine problem.… that’s just the icing on the cake lol when toyota allegedly redoes the drivetrain on this thing sign me up (at msrp)
My one and biggest reason for not buying one yet. That dam sSubaru boxer engine. Not to mention it sounds gawd awful 🫤
I still strongly believe that all the newer “cheap” rwd cars are overpriced. Got a 1st gen brz back in 2016 for 21k and that seemed reasonable at the time, ~35k for a facelift, alcantara, and a tune is just overly unreasonable.. but I’m still determined to get a 2nd gen (probably used tho… broke enthusiast stay broke 😅)
same lmao i'm going to get my hands on one one day
I have a premium in halo white reserved that I will be picking up in April and it's going to hurt to pay for so I think you are playing it smart but unfortunately I need a new car anyway as the daily beater is at deaths door, wish me luck lol.
i used to have a 2015 BRZ. now looking at this video, i realized how much 25 HP does to this car.. amazing
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Nice review! A little side note after looking at one, I noticed that the "front" cup holders are on each door, right or wrong. This is in addition to the center console holders. They are big enough for water bottles, anyway.
nice, thanks!
WOW! what a great review. I thoroughly enjoyed everything that was said and covered in this video. Keep up the good work. Give us more please!! ahhhhhhhh.. Yes
Idk why I’m watching this. I don’t plan to buy a car, let alone a new car for the next couple years. But goddamn do I want one of these.
Keep after your dreams! One day 💪
First of all, I really liked your video, the GR 86 us my favorite car ever and I enjoyed your video 💕
Then, I just wanna add that the alcantara on top of the instrument cluster is to reduce reflections on the windshield (See The Straight Pipes' review on the C8 Corvette for more info)
Also, Toyota did the fuel injection system in the Subaru engines because Toyota owns a part of Subaru and when they asked Subaru to give their engine direct injection they said it couldn't be done so Toyota engineers went in and made the injection system themselves, so yes, this is an engine co-developed by Toyota and Subaru.
This isn't a Supra situation where Toyota just redesigned, recalibrated and retuned a BMW M340i.
Also, the original idea was to only have the 86 and no BRZ but Subaru whete so happy with the prototype they wanted their own version and Toyota agreed because more sale is always good specially for this sort of cars :)
I'm so torn between getting a 86 or BRZ
@mrdilgames6546 what reason do you have for buying a BRZ over the 86?
I just bought one that had an extra cup holder and sport/snow buttons in front of the center console.
I got the all weather floor mats and it came with the rear ones as well. Oh and the the GR shifter was $135 when I brought it (the auto version but I think Manual was the same price,must’ve went up.
Innnnnteresting
Having owned a number of Subarus and iv no problem with them but I really wish they’d ditch the boxer engine i don’t think it was the right choice for this awsome platform
Your missing a big one cup holder by itself in the middle of your chairs, and you forgot to mention the chargers between android and iphone and they gave it two parts of wires comes with it
Although the basic design of the engine is based on Subaru, Toyota's D4-S direct injection technology has been introduced, so the entire area from the head to the fuel injection system uses Toyota's patented technology.
This is why the names of both Toyota and Subaru are written on the engine.
In the development process, Toyota brought in the product planning itself, so we must not forget that Toyota was involved in the fundamental aspects of the design, even down to the position of the engine to lower the center of gravity.
I just purchased the new BRZ and I’m in love with it. For some reason, this video popped up into my feed! 😂😂😂
I’m so on the fence I have option at the moment to get either at MsrP
how was the purchasing process? Were you able to get a manual easily?
@@reganmianI was able to get the 2023 that was available on the dealership’s floor. Luckily for me it’s my favorite color. Red with a six speed! Unfortunately now that I got injured at work, I don’t drive it as much and with only 1600 miles I’m on the fence on selling it.
@@reganmian easy. But unfortunately I’ve become disabled and 1600 miles later I’m debating on possibly putting it up for sale.
Wrong - Toyota hasn't paid Subaru to put on their logo on the engine... They have actually provided the Toyota D4S injection to use with the Subaru engine. So that's valid cooperation even if it's mainly a Subaru
I could probably use this as a daily driver and take to the track on weekends.
8:56 On a scale of 1 to 11, how confident are you that those seats are *synthetic* leather? Thanks for the fun review! PS: The gopro headlamp POV was clutch/dope/awesome/rad/wonderful. (Choose your generation.)
It depends on your personal opinion if Toyota or Subaru looks and feels better. Both cars are very similar with some minor differences. I drive the 2023 BRZ and the outline for me looks better. Subaru in Germany is very rare and the STI parts are not necessary, but are looking great. It is a cool car concept, we are lucky to have these days. So enjoy every hour with your Toyota or Subaru. I think we will get not that much comparable stuff in the future. Other hypercars are nice, but they are not affordable for most of us.
Regarding the shift gear or automatic transmission: I have no chance to compare that for the BRZ, but for a normal car with actual safety features like automatic distance controls a automatic transmission is great. I think at this sport car a manual brings more fun and it’s easy to handle. Just my point o view. Better to have one with automatic than having none 😊
Nice review and good additional content at the comments. Thank you all for that.
Those backseats are for 'legless passengers'.
Yes the turn signal is dumb (the Savage Geese guy said he gets the urge to take a saw and chop it off every time he gets in), but nobody mentions the cruse control, It's nearly the same as the 1971(!) Toyota Celica (if you're math impaired, that's 50+ years old). it's not digial like in a Honda civic where once you set it, you can click it up or down and it adjusts the cruse in 1mph increments. It also has a 3 blink lane change mode where you just flip it once,and it blinks 3 times and then turns itself off. I'm going to miss both those. The sad thing is that to fix these things, it would probably raise the prince by $5000. Not an acceptable price increase in a "Driver's car", where you're just supposed to put up with inconveniences like that. But you should probably get one anyway. Rumors have it the replacement is a 3 cylinder turbo hybrid with BMW/Audi/Cadilac styling.
Believe Toyota added port injection to the engine, which is where some of the new hp come from. So the engine is not only Subaru.
Wrong, the gt86 had dual injection. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
@@georgemcunty6383 very mean smh
@@NinoInTheCommentsdude was mean just to be wrong lmao
You got it wrong on the engine. It is not just a Subaru engine that Toyota paid to put their name on. It includes Toyota's direct injection AND port injection. A major improvement over the Subaru engine.
I think I’m going to grab one but it has to have the performance package because I want the BREMBOS!
this is definitely around the SE part of Wisconsin!!... I've been thinking about this or the Miata, but for 5-10k more, i think i will be going for the Z performance. prices on those have been falling on those like crazy...
I just realizedthey have added an oil cooler to this engine whichthe 2.0 does not have.
Is automatic just as cool or manual the way to go?
have driven the auto, and it's not the way to go
With the car being as slow as it is an auto transmission just turns it into a regular commuter. If you want to have fun you need a stick to play with.
Driven both, auto is ho estly great still. If you just purely dont want a manual for personal reasons, the auto is still a fantastic daily driver
@@dwnshftlook where he lives brother. No traffic all open road. If you live in traffic like Los Angeles and this is your only car - auto is fine. MT is for living traffic free or weekend warrior
I have a child's car seat in my BRZ lol
24. Gain new friendship with Toyota service manager 😂
Lololol
Great review lots of info. Only knock I have is shut up when doing performance driving and hard cornering at revs we want to hear the engine not your yapper. Thanks.
From Toyota's website, looking at the 2024 model, the specs for the "Premium" trim level show that it now starts at $34k - with an included automatic transmission. How do we feel about that?!!
Is a trailer hitch option available for pulling stalled mazdas?
You know, reviewers always knock on Japanese cars not having leg room in the back, but they never criticize American cars for the same issue. Never hear that level of scrutiny with the mustang or Camaro.
@@joerandom8678 oh no I’ve been plenty vocal about the Mustang - haven’t made a video on the Camaro
Are the rear seats a split fold down?
Is there a setting that gives you a radial display option for your speed?
Is the rear spoiler adhered or bolted to the trunk?
Do you normally drive in 6th gear? Crazy seeing 6th gear at 45mph.
My GLI I'm usually in 6th gear by 40MPH and it's geared much taller than this
Great video! Thx for sharing.
Nice review. I feel like its overpriced. A couple add ons and you can buy a different driver focused car for the same price that has more standard options. They need to make it cheap again
What other driver focused car would you suggest with an msrp below $40k?
@korbynnull7666 if you're under 40k, you can get a lot. Elentra N is a good choice. GR corolla, mustang ecoboost, vw GTI. You could get a used BMW M2. Quite a bit to choose from
@@brandonp5592 already have a BRZ I just wonder what makes the 33?k MSRP of the twins overpriced/what else you think is a better buy in the price range. I wanted a GR Corolla but there was no shot of me getting a base under 42k in the timeframe I needed a car. Elantra/Veloster N is the only other “similar” car I actually considered. I did also look at Civic Si but that’s not really in the same class at all. I think Hyundai N models is the best counter to the value I see in the GR/BRZ.
Edit: the Elantra N is uglier than the Veloster to me, but you do get a lot of comfort features and some extra driving features over the GR86. Definitely a better sound system. But muh styling
@korbynnull7666 dont get me wrong. With the new engine, the BRZ/86 is a great car and its rwd. I just feel like 28k for a bare bones car that comes with no extras is a little much. Im currently shopping right now and I think the Civic SI is a better choice, its a honda and it comes with features that make everyday living better. Like the bose system. If you dont mind Kias, the Forte GT can be had with a manual and comforts. But if you get the forte GT automatic, you can get stuff like ventilated seats for even cheaper than the SI, and it still has 200hp.
@@brandonp5592 everything you listed has a base price higher than the premium GR86 with most being thousands over, and none are close to that same type of driving feel being hundreds of pounds heavier. The GR86 is meant to be a drivers car with turn track focus (while maintaining the increasingly rare combo of 2DR, RWD & 6MT) and daily driver features lightly sprinkled in, the M2, GTI, N and Ecostang are all more daily drive &/or GT focused.
I just test drove one yesterday and they added a weird square-shaped hole in front of the cup holder area. Not sure what it’s for…too small for a phone and too square for a cup. Why not just move the cup holders forward 4”
just brought this car yesterday Toyota GR86 trendo blue any tips ? 😄
As an old person I concur with your assessment of Facebook. 😏
For the same price & for driving alone, would you pick this or miata ?
This is a little more fun on a track I think so maybe this…but it’s close
@@dwnshft thanks.. i am considering these 2.
Why is this more fun than miata ? I thought the open air makes the miata more fun
@@goodlifebdg the Miata is probably a little more fun on public roads (especially if you prefer the drop-top experience) the 86 feels a little more disciplined and the rear slides a little more organically in my experience (more fun on track, also safer on track due to fixed roof)
@@dwnshft thanks dude. Considering miata / brz.
Will probably never go on track, so leaning towards miata.
Brz is much more practical. But.. Topless is priceless (quote-worthy ?)
@@goodlifebdg yeah if you won’t go on track and you like the convertible experience then you’ll love the Miata!
love the anniversary record. does BRZ has it? It's gonna be a deal breaker for me
Don't forget that Subie oil filter!
BEAUTIFUL machine! Love it
Would it be a good daily
if anyone bought the 2023 model, how long did it take for your car to come in? specifically in ontario canada. ik these cars take a few weeks-months depending on where u live but my dealer told me up to 6 months (ik its an estimate its not always accurate) and i called them not even a month ago and they told me they have no info on the car whatsoever (i ordered the basic auto in black but im not picky on the colour. i thought it would be a more common car so it would come in faster). i've already waited 6 months i want to know how much longer i could possibly have to wait. if anyone has a similar experience plz lmk!
7 months for my 6 speed
All depends sometimes you get lucky
@@lemmeknow5204 damn. hoping i can get mine at least before 2024 or right in the beginning of 2024.
@@Mr99Burns its been 7 months almost im getting so impatient but i dont want to cancel it bc ive already waited this long anyway
Love the rear floor mats
Yes BRZ does have it, too.
No place for sunglasses?
Is there an automatic option for this car
Yes there is!
like the gt86 more tbh
Can you do a rear seat delete from factory?
When is it getting sports car power ? Looks like the Supra’s little sister
I feel like I felt every bump and every noise. Other than that beautiful car
The 86 is less Subaru than you are giving credit. Manufactured and engineered/developed are much different things. Magna Steyr manufacturers the supra in Austria. Magen Magna Steyr had nothing to do with the development of the car. Subaru had the tooling and assembly line that could be easily adapted. So therefore manufactured it. Need to go beyond the engine to appreciate the differences and commonalities.
Sound is so cool
24 of the most common things you already knew about the 86
Toyota also put their dual fuel injection on the Subaru motor.
1st: it’s a JV between Toyota n Subaru
2nd: Toyota is the parent company of Subaru
So, it’s a Toyota at the end.
4 cup holders 😂how many beverages do you need?
Would a 6’3 person be able to comfortably drive this car?
actually yeah i think so
Mentioning lord Demuro was 🤌🤌🤌
If not for this video I would not have known my car even had rear floor mats.
Lololol #HelpfulConsumerTips
Should you go this or base Camaro LT1 ( v8 )
Gr86
I like the base more
I canNOT decide between this and the BRZ 🤧🤧🤧 or saving 20k more for a RCF
I have this and consider trading for RC but probably won’t. RC very heavy
So sad that Toyota themselves don't ha Pride on their brand anymore. If tjis would had been a 100% a toyota product im sure it would have sold 2X the amount they already have
...Toyota litterally is the biggest ans highest grossing manufacturer in the world.
Over thousands of cars, trim, subtrim, models, concept models, etc.
They made this car SPECIFICALLY as a way to ask its little sister brand being scion/subaru to help create a well affordable car that isn't as much as buying a house.
Subaru is known for making unique trims and frames of sporty cars, Toyota needed a alternative coup frame compared to what they have currently, this creates a much affordable cheaper option as it helps BOTH brands. Buy gettinf Subaru to help with the production.
Not to mention, GR86 is one of little to no cars that actually made it into production phase given the car market was crumbling. GR86 Is a Toyota car. Being proud and respected strong along side the mk5 supra, but as well as establishing great relationships with its sister brand being Subaru.
Toyota owns .20 cents of every dollar Subaru makes. Which is alot** it only made sence Toyota went to Subaru ti create a well built introductory and very impressive for the price affordable car.
Why does this kid sound like Doug DeMuro's son?
Dude you just called me old!!😜😀 (it’s true, I am)
Looks like you keep your seat leaned back pretty far
How fast is it
Really enjoyed the video. Thanks!
Thank you 🙏